1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: All right, second hour of playing Buck kicks off now, Clay, 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: I want to get to a couple of things here. 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: One was the exchange on Bill Maher where he asked, 4 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: I think he threw he would I think he thought 5 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: he was throwing a fast pitch down the middle, and 6 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: it got absolutely walloped into the upper deck with the 7 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: question about do you feel bad about voting for Trump? 8 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:25,319 Speaker 2: Now to someone who voted for Trump. 9 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: Will get to that first, though, I did want to 10 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: get your take on this, you know last week. First, 11 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: last week, Trump made a bunch of references to Canada 12 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: as the fifty first state. He does not seem to 13 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 1: be budging off of that one. I believe it is 14 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 1: Trump trolling. I do not have any real thought that 15 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 1: the Canadians are going to become the fifty first state. 16 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 1: There's no process through which that would happen. But then 17 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 1: there's this, and I don't know if this is trolling 18 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: or a combination of serious and trolling, but it's seems to. 19 00:00:57,760 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 2: Be a big deal. This is from his truth. So 20 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 2: Donald J. 21 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: Trump, the pardons that Sleepy Joe Biden gave to the 22 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: Unselect Committee of Political Thugs and many others are hereby 23 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 1: declared void, vacant, and of no further force or effect 24 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: because of the fact that they were done by auto 25 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,559 Speaker 1: pen In other words, Joe Biden did not sign them, 26 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: but more importantly, he did not know anything about them. 27 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: The necessary pardoning documents were not explained to or approved 28 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: by Biden. He knew nothing about them, and the people 29 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: that did may have committed a crime. Therefore, those of 30 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 1: the Unselect Committee who destroyed and deleted all evidence obtained 31 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: by their two year witch hunt of me and many 32 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 1: other innocent people should fully understand that they are subject 33 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: to investigation at the highest level. The fact is they 34 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: were probably responsible for the documents that were signed on 35 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: their behalf without the knowledge or consent of the worst 36 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: president in the history of our country, Crooked Joe Biden. 37 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 3: What do you make of this? 38 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 2: I don't think that this is one the Canada thing. 39 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: I think is Trump just having fun and doing what 40 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: Trump does and getting a little negotiating leverage. Maybe I 41 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: don't think that he's kidding about this. I think he's 42 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: quite serious. It's super weird. Let's just say that, whatever 43 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: you think about Trump, he has made a very calculated 44 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: decision to basically sign all of his executive orders directly 45 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: in front of the media, a fix his signature, have 46 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: people explaining to the assembled media what the orders that 47 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: he is signing do, and then he's oftentimes held them up, 48 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: He's passed out pins. He has made it very clear 49 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 1: that he is acting on his authority as the president 50 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: of the United States. What rational basis would there be 51 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: for an auto pin to be signing executive orders of 52 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: this level of significance? And Buck, you'll know this, and 53 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: I've bet a lot of people out there certainly have 54 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: experienced this. I'm not talking about like you wrote a 55 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: letter of your congressman and they like stamp it or 56 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: fix an autopen at the signature, you know, to a letter. 57 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 1: I'm talking about when you are acting with the full 58 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: force of legal authority. To have an autopen doing it 59 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: as opposed to Biden himself doing it is extremely strange, 60 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: and I do think it raises the question, was Biden 61 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 1: aware of many of the acts that were being undertaken 62 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: by the executive branch under his duly elected authority? 63 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 3: Why would you? 64 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's like leave aside whether you 65 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: agree with the decisions that Biden made, because obviously a 66 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: lot of these we don't agree with. 67 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 3: Why would you need to do it via auto pin? 68 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: I mean, it's actually a super interesting question. I think 69 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: that demands a real answer. And I don't think it's 70 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: crazy of Trump to say if Biden wasn't himself sitting 71 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: like he should have to sign the Executive Authority Act 72 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: Like that doesn't seem like a crazy perspective to take, right. Well, 73 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 1: this is where things get interesting here because Biden was 74 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 1: somebody that we all know now and this is uncontroversial, 75 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: had cognitive issues, right, I mean, had dementia. Basically you 76 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 1: had to be a president with dementia. And this is 77 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 1: something that I used to say about Reagan all the time. 78 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: They used to always bring up that. They would say 79 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: that Reagan had Alzheimer's. Right, That was just meant to 80 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: be smirch Reagan's legacy, and this is something that Democrats 81 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: through the nineties into the two thousands. Look, Reagan had Alzheimer's. 82 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: But what Trump is going after here is he's saying 83 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: that you can't. While advisors can push policies to Biden 84 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: and he can sign off on it, the power of 85 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: part in comes from the president as a person, and 86 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 1: if he does not know of and does not sign 87 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,239 Speaker 1: off on a pardon, it is not possible for anyone 88 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: else to do so. So if there was an autopen, 89 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: like if these signatures that were autopen were also correlated 90 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 1: with pardons that Biden did not himself approve, then you 91 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: could consider it to be void. 92 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 2: Essentially. 93 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: That's the idea, Now, can you here? I think the 94 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: challenge with this is how would you prove this? I 95 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 1: don't know how you could prove it. And Democrats are 96 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: going to say that of course Biden knew, and of 97 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: course Biden approved of all of this. And there is 98 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: no place in the constitution or in case law that 99 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 1: I'm aware of where a pardon can be The pardon 100 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: power is considered to be absolute, right, Pardons can't be 101 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: undone because then there's no such thing as a pardon power. 102 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 2: Correct. 103 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 3: So I don't really see where this is going. 104 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 2: It might just be trolling, but Trump is pretty serious 105 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 2: about it. 106 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: Here is where Buck I would say, and we said 107 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: this on the show at the time that it occurred. 108 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 1: Here is where I do think Trump could challenge many 109 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: of these Biden pardons. Is it legal to actually preemptively 110 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: pardon someone? That to me is a very valid question 111 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: that the Supreme Court should have to address because most 112 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 1: of the people that Biden pardoned have not actually been 113 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: charged with any crime. And so to me, the autopen 114 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: aspect of this allegation by Trump is intriguing. I would 115 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: actually layer it though with on top of this, which 116 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 1: I think is the far more significant argument. Does the 117 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: president really have the power to preemptively pardon people from 118 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: being charged with crimes, potentially for actions going back a decade? Again, 119 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 1: almost all presidential pardons historically have been for duly adjudicated cases. 120 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: That is, is the ostensible purpose of the pardon. Right, 121 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: you have been convicted of a crime, you are, in 122 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: the President's opinion, worthy of clemency, and therefore you are 123 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: going to be given it after a duly adjudicated process, 124 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: just saying, Hey, for a decade of actions, you are 125 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: unable to be charged with any crime, and I am 126 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: preemptively pardoning you. To me, that's the angle that they 127 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: should be going after, because I don't think that should 128 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:28,559 Speaker 1: be legal. 129 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 2: It should at least be known what you're being pardoned. 130 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: Correct, that's the entire purpose also, right, because there's reason, 131 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: there was thinking behind this, right that there it wasn't 132 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: just it didn't just come out of nowhere that there 133 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: was this idea that the president should have this very 134 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: important authority. This is this goes to decisions made after 135 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: the Civil War, for example, how do you handle the 136 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: Confederacy right? How do you bring you know, there are 137 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: people that wanted there to be much more severe punishments 138 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: for some of the particularly the leadership, but it was decided, well, no, 139 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: we're going to bring the country together, and so there 140 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: was clemency, there were pardons, there were decisions made. You know, 141 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: you can see how at baseline there is a need 142 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: for presidential pardon or rather why people would think there's 143 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: a need for presidential pardons. What about if somebody just 144 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: started saying, you know what, anybody who works for me, 145 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: you get a you get a total get out of 146 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: jail free card for anything you've done over the last 147 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: ten years. 148 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 2: You know what I mean? 149 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 3: Yeah? Is that okay? 150 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: Can you can you just write something that says, I 151 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 1: Joe Biden, or have somebody else write and pretend they're 152 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:40,559 Speaker 1: Joe Biden. 153 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 2: I Joe Biden. 154 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: Hereby sweep away any crime committed by any member of 155 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 1: my administration for the last decade or anyone who worked 156 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:51,959 Speaker 1: for me in you know, in in the White House. 157 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 2: Is that is that the use of a pardon power. 158 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: I mean, there have to be some limits, and I 159 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: think that when you're talking of preemptive to your point, 160 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: preemptive pardoning is this also goes to can the president 161 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 1: pardon himself? Legitimate questions that people have been asking for 162 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: a long time. Yeah, and again, I don't know that 163 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: very many people have really spent a lot of time 164 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:16,679 Speaker 1: on it. You and I talked about it because I 165 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: think it's such an interesting question. 166 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 3: Also, it presumes guilt. That's the other aspect of this. 167 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: If I said to you, if I said, right now, 168 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: if the President called me up and he was like, Clay, 169 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: you need a pardon for the last decade of your activities, 170 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 1: I would say no, Like, I don't think that I've 171 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: done anything that would be criminal in nature. When you 172 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 1: pardon the entire p number of your family, it suggests 173 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: that there have been a lot of criminal actions that 174 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: have occurred when you are doing it preemptively. Again, you 175 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: and I were not surprised. A lot of the nation 176 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: was when Hunter Biden got his pardon, but the pardon 177 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:56,199 Speaker 1: for the conviction that Hunter Biden got in Delaware and 178 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: also for his tax related charges is very. 179 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 3: Very v in my opinion. 180 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: Right, you might not agree with it, but the president's 181 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: authority to pardon in that context seems quite clear or legally. 182 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: Does the president have the ability to just say to 183 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: his brother, hey, you're protected from all crimes for the 184 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: last decade. 185 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 2: I don't think so. 186 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,079 Speaker 1: Does the president have the ability to say, for Liz 187 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: Cheney or doctor Fauci or any of these other individuals, hey, 188 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 1: you're protected for the last decade from any charges that 189 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:27,199 Speaker 1: any future administration might try to put on on you. No, 190 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: that's not constitutionally permissible. 191 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 2: I don't think. 192 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 1: It also creates a real sense that some people are 193 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 1: above the law, because there can't even be any public 194 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:42,439 Speaker 1: feeling about what somebody is being pardoned for. If it's 195 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: a sweeping pardon that I mean, here's the other thing. 196 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: Could you be pardoned for any future, un yet future, 197 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: not yet described or committed acts. 198 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 2: I don't think so. 199 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,199 Speaker 1: I don't think anybody will be okay with that, because 200 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: now you're just saying that somebody has there's no legal 201 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: authority of the federal government over an American citizen soarly. 202 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: It can't be any future act that you commit. It 203 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 1: would have to be a thing already done. And I 204 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:10,079 Speaker 1: do think there is grounds to say you have to 205 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 1: at least say what the thing is right, because what 206 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: happened here was, for example, Hunter Biden was pardoned. 207 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 3: It should have it should have had to. 208 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: Say Hunter Biden has pardoned for tax evasion, for you know, 209 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: for bribery, for money laundering, you know, for the following things, 210 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 1: and you know instead the system. I mean, maybe that's 211 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: not how it's generally done, but I think that's how 212 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 1: it should be done. You have to you should have 213 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: to be pardoned for a thing that people are aware of. 214 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: It can't just be like, yeah, you're good nothing, you 215 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: can do whatever you want, you know. I mean think 216 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: think about that as well. You could find out. In 217 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: the case of Hunter Biden. I wouldn't be surprised at all. 218 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: Maybe some stuff went on that we didn't even know 219 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: about that was really bad and then you can't you 220 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: can't charge them for that either. It's it's not I 221 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: am confident that this is not permissible, and it's why 222 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: I said I would challenge it. To me, the autopen 223 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: thing is an additional layer to it, But to me 224 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: it feels much more worthy of legal challenge to try 225 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:12,559 Speaker 1: to argue, hey, this is one hundred percent permission. So 226 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:14,319 Speaker 1: do you think Trump is going to see this one through? 227 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: Do you think do you think he's he's real deal 228 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: on this one? He wants to push this. I think 229 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: it actually is less likely to be Trump who is 230 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: die hard on this, But I do think there are 231 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: some people in the administration who see this legally as 232 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: being untenable and want to challenge it going forward. It also, 233 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: by the way, is the opposite of executive overreach. You know, 234 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: all the people who are saying, oh Trump's a fascist, 235 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 1: Oh Trump's a dictator. 236 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:40,959 Speaker 3: No, the dictator would be the. 237 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:44,079 Speaker 1: Person who's saying, hey, all my whole family is protected 238 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 1: from criminal charges for a decade. I'm signing this as 239 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: I go out. I bet Joe Biden actually signed the 240 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: Hunter Biden pardon. 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We were just talking 271 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: about the presidential part in authority, and I think it 272 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: ties in with one of the big questions that is 273 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: underway that we're going to talk with Jim Jordan about 274 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: in the top of the next hour, which is one 275 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: that we've been debating since the country was founded. What 276 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: is the scope of executive authority and who has the 277 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: ability to rein in that executive authority, particularly as it 278 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: pertains the border by I was reading this morning in 279 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: the New York Times. Right now, Trump is on pace 280 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: through February. I know, we're basically halfway through March for 281 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: the lowest number of illegal border crossings since nineteen sixty seven. 282 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I want to repeat that again because I 283 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: think a lot of you out there. This is in 284 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: the New York Times this morning, the lowest border crossings 285 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: since nineteen sixty seven. No one is talking suddenly about 286 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: the border. Hardly at all. It's buried on page fifteen 287 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: the Darien Gap. You remember when we talked about the 288 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: Darien Gap and the tens of thousands of people who 289 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: were coming through that treacherous region in Latin America. Almost 290 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: no one is even attempting to come through the Darien 291 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: Gap right now, meaning the overall flow of illegal immigrants 292 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: to our border has basically stopped. This is important because 293 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: we were told in a presidential campaign by Kamala Harris 294 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: and Joe Biden that the problem with the border was 295 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: Congress wouldn't act, and there were many Republicans who actually 296 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: signed on and tried to agree with that argument. We 297 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: still would like to see Congress act because otherwise a 298 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: new president could come in under executive authority and change this. 299 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: But all Trump needed to do buck was just enforced 300 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: the laws that were already on the books. How many 301 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: Republicans really were going There was one that I can 302 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: think of. I think it was from Oklahoma if I 303 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: remember correct. James Langford from Oklahoma was a clown on this. 304 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. But was there any was there anyone else on 305 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 2: the Senate side Republicans? 306 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: It's a great it's a great question. There were certainly 307 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: some supporters. Yeah, to go back and check when that 308 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: when that was, That would have been last summer around July. 309 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: Who on the Republican side was willing to go along 310 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: with the preposterous Well, now Democrats want to fix the 311 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: border just before the election. You know, honestly, it was 312 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: such an insult to the intelligence of the American people. 313 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 2: It really was. 314 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: Even for Democrats who are in on it anyway, they 315 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: had to know, Wow, they're really treating us like a 316 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: bunch of idiots. I do think when there are so Look, 317 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: there are all sorts of things that people argue about, 318 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:15,120 Speaker 1: and we still don't know what is the right decision. 319 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: It's complicated. The data isn't clear. The data is clear here. 320 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:24,360 Speaker 1: All Trump had to do was sign these executive actions. 321 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 3: And enforce the law, and the border would have shut down. 322 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 1: Biden let ten million plus illegals into this country and 323 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 1: all he had to do was keep the same policies 324 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: in place as Trump. Again, we have to celebrate some 325 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: victories here, and a lot of media is not talking 326 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: about it. 327 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 3: Lowest border crossings. 328 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:46,439 Speaker 1: Since nineteen sixty seven. It's an extraordinary accomplishment. In the 329 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,120 Speaker 1: first fifty days of the Trump administration, to have pulled 330 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: this off. It is amazing and we're not tired of winning. Well, 331 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: tell the President you're not tired of winning either. We're 332 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: not tired. Also not tired of getting in shape. 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You'll get a great discount on 355 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 1: any subscription for life. That's chalkcchoq dot com promo code buck. 356 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 1: All right, welcome back into Clay and a couple of 357 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: thanks here on the boarder situation. First off, Tom Holman 358 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: trying did not sound like I have a man crush 359 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 1: on Tom Holman. But he is doing phenomenal work, and 360 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 1: he's the right man for the job, and he's a 361 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: patriot who's serving his country incredibly well. 362 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 3: Uh here he is. 363 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: When a reporter asks about this alien acts, a law 364 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,120 Speaker 1: that has been used to send these trend to Aragua 365 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: guys out. A reporter asked Tom Holman about the two 366 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: hundred year old law. 367 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:25,120 Speaker 2: That's what he said. 368 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 6: Twenty YEA, those claims in your old law to circumvent. 369 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 2: Law not as old as constitution. 370 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 3: We still pay attention to that, don't we. 371 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 1: I like that it's not as old as the Constitution, 372 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 1: and we still care about that, Clay. Notice, old law 373 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,360 Speaker 1: like the Logan Act to jam up, which was never 374 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: used and is actually probably unconstitutional on its in itself. 375 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: Uh to jam up. General Flynn media is all about it. 376 00:19:56,560 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: This law used to get you know, rapist murderers and 377 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: gang member thugs out of the country. Media is crying 378 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 1: about due process for illegals. We met Tom Homan on 379 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: the show a ton and obviously his voice is great 380 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 1: because he sounds like the guy who should be in 381 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 1: charge of the border. This is one of those things 382 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: that I do think Trump is right about in a 383 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: television era, the central casting element of the person who 384 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: is the communicator in chief of a particular issue and decision. 385 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 1: Tom Homan both looks and sounds like the grizzled veteran 386 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 1: who should be in charge of making sure that our 387 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:38,640 Speaker 1: border is safe. If you asked me to like central cast, 388 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: if we were doing a television show or a movie 389 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: and you said, hey, who's the guy. What does the 390 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 1: guy look like who's going to shut down the border? 391 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 1: I would say, Oh, it's a guy like Tom Homan. 392 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: And his responses when these questions get yelled out are extraordinary. 393 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: This is going megaviral. We just played for you, But 394 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: remember buck for years. Tom Homan came on this show 395 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: and he said, it's really simple. If President Trump's in office, 396 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: he will shut down the border, just like we shut 397 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: down the border in the first term and Tom Holman's 398 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: in office, and again they have shut down the border. 399 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:14,479 Speaker 1: And I do think you will sometimes know when Trump 400 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: has huge wins because stories just disappear. They don't give 401 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 1: him credit. Really, they just kind of stopped talking about 402 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: an issue. For instance, the price of eggs. Buck has 403 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: evidently plummeted in the last ten days or so, and 404 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: it's back down to a normal level price of eggs. 405 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,439 Speaker 1: I'm not an expert on egg pricing, but my understanding 406 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 1: is that they have essentially come back down to a 407 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 1: normal ish price. Story's going to vanish. For years, as 408 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 1: the price went up, nobody talked about it. Trump's in 409 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: office fifty days. Suddenly he owns the price of eggs. 410 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: I'll tell you another one. The stock market. I was 411 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 1: out last week, rough week for the stock market. Suddenly 412 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: Trump is responsible for every day's activity in the stock market. 413 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: When it comes back up, and it will come back up, 414 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: the story will just vanish. They only have these short 415 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: lived little narrative arts. Suddenly everybody in the Democrat Party 416 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 1: cares about where the stock prices are. Look, I want 417 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: the stock market to go up. My advice to you 418 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 1: in general is the same advice that I follow buy 419 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: index funds. I buy s and p five hundred index funds. 420 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 1: On average, Historically every ten years they double. The more 421 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 1: time you pay attention to stock market prices, the more 422 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 1: likely you are to respond emotionally and make decisions to 423 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: sell low and buy high, because that's how most people think. 424 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:45,880 Speaker 1: Oh the prices keep going up, Oh I'm going to buy. 425 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: Oh the prices are going down. Oh I'm going to sell. 426 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: What is the great line? For more and Buffett be 427 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: greedy when others are fearful, and be fearful when others 428 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:02,120 Speaker 1: are greedy, honestly emotional aspects of how to judge this 429 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: and look, the stock market was a disaster for the 430 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,880 Speaker 1: first two years of Biden, but the overall American economy 431 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:14,400 Speaker 1: is such that even when you have a bad president, 432 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: and I think Biden was the worst president in any 433 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: of our lives, the stock market didn't completely collapse because 434 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: there were enough red states out there making great decisions, 435 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: and enough red state governors to help to allow their 436 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:32,640 Speaker 1: states to be growing dynamically, even while the federal government 437 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 1: policies actually made it more difficult for in general companies 438 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 1: to succeed. 439 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 3: So I do think the way. 440 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: These narratives just vanishbuck is super interesting in the context 441 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 1: of Trump's successes. You don't hear them trumpet them, they 442 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: just vanish. Yes, And I had mentioned this before, and 443 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:54,439 Speaker 1: I did want to play it for everybody so they 444 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 1: could hear it, which is when Bill Maher I was 445 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 1: surprised he went in this direct. Look, Bill's a pretty 446 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: Bill's a savvy guy, and he's realized that. And he 447 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,120 Speaker 1: knew before the election too. I think where the Democrat 448 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: Party was going, which was off a cliff into a 449 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: brick wall, pick your metaphor. He knew this because they 450 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 1: went crazy and he was trying to tell them to stop. 451 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: He's so crazy, stop being so crazy, and they wouldn't listen. 452 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,880 Speaker 1: I was surprised though, that he went in the well, 453 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 1: now Trump is This is the thing with Bill. He 454 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: can he can be reasonable even if he's wrong, like 455 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 1: he's wrong on climate change in my mind, but you 456 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: can talk to him about it somewhat Trump. He despises 457 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 1: Trump like he has he is Trump arrangement syndrome. Truly, 458 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,159 Speaker 1: he has a trumped arrangement syndrome. And he took the 459 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: approach with one of his guests who is a former 460 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: leftist or center left, I should say, a former Democrat 461 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: who has come over to the Trump side as a 462 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,719 Speaker 1: Trump voter. And he's like, well, don't you feel like 463 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 1: you shouldn't have voted for Trump now that we've seen 464 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: what's going on? And uh, I was shocked. Here is 465 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 1: how how she explained this. This is Batya Hunger Sargan 466 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: on Bill Maher. This is cut twenty five. 467 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 2: Play it. 468 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 3: And I'm just wondering what you think now we're approaching 469 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,640 Speaker 3: two months in. I mean, you must have a feeling. 470 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 2: In your gut. 471 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,679 Speaker 1: Look Linia, and tell me you don't that this is 472 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 1: really going badly and I shouldn't have thrown my lot 473 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 1: in with this team. 474 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 7: Oh no, I feel the opposite, all right, tell me 475 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 7: why I'm so sorry, Bill, No, no, tell me why? 476 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:29,640 Speaker 5: No? 477 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,120 Speaker 7: I feel so proud of I mean, I was never 478 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 7: a Republican or a conservative. I was a leftist and 479 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 7: I am still a leftist. I'm just a maga leftist 480 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 7: now because that. 481 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 5: Makes no sense. 482 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 2: Exactly. 483 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 7: I raised you, Yes, when I look at what President 484 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 7: Trump ran on and the agenda that he's enacting right now. 485 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 7: He took a Republican party that was built on social 486 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 7: conservatism for interventions and wars and free trade and free markets, 487 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 7: and he basically took an ax to all of those. 488 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 7: During the campaign he said, look, I mean he's pretty 489 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 7: pro gay, that's pretty obvious. He appointed the highest ranking 490 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,679 Speaker 7: out gay person, Scott the sent our Secretary of Treasury, 491 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 7: which is incredible, and he sidelined the pro life wing 492 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 7: of his party. Okay, so he believes abortion should be 493 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 7: legal for twelve weeks. 494 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 2: That's not actually really where he is on it. 495 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: But the point here is, Clay, you know, we could 496 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: talk about the abortion thing in more detail, but the 497 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: point is the don't you feel badly about how Trump 498 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 1: is doing so far for Trump voters is still a 499 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: total misread of where Trump voters are, which is, I 500 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 1: think for most of us who are expecting it to 501 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 1: be good or very good, it is excellent. It has 502 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: actually exceeded the expectations of those who had high expectations. 503 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: So the notion that anybody would regret it who've voted 504 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: for Trump, I just think this goes to Democrats aren't 505 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: paying attention to the mood of the country, or they're 506 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 1: just connected from the mood of the country. They just 507 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: can't tell Look, if Trump were in any way experiencing 508 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 1: a backlash or regret, Democrats, as we started off the 509 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 1: show talking about, wouldn't be at historic lows of approval. 510 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 1: In general, the approval rating of the Democrat Party would 511 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: not have collapsed if the Republican president were wildly unpopular. 512 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: I don't think anybody, anybody regrets their decision about Trump. 513 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,439 Speaker 3: And look, I mean, buck just quickly. There is a 514 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 3: very good chance. 515 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,400 Speaker 1: I think we're going to get a ceasefire in Ukraine 516 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: and end that war between Russia and Ukraine within the 517 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: first hundred days of Trump's presidency. We have a ceasefire 518 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: right now in the Middle East. It's tenuous, hopefully it holds. 519 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 1: That's because of Trump. We have, as we just laid out, 520 00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 1: potentially the fewest illegal border crossings since nighte teen sixty 521 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: seven at our southern border. We have inflation hitting a 522 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:11,439 Speaker 1: four year low last week, and we have violent crime 523 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 1: overall on decline in many different cities across America, and 524 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,439 Speaker 1: bad guys being put behind bars and kicked out of 525 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 1: the country when they have no business being here. 526 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 3: Again. 527 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 1: The stock market is basically the only thing you can 528 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: point to right now if you are a Democrat and. 529 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 3: Say, oh, it's not going well. 530 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 1: But the stock market is basically right now as we speak, 531 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,919 Speaker 1: the exact same level S and P. 532 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 3: Five hundred that it was on election day. 533 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 1: So really six months, I mean, you have corrections constantly, 534 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: stock prices go up and down, and the fact that 535 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: we're sitting and I saw a clip from you and 536 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: I watched it over the last week, Buck where you 537 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: were laying out, Hey, we've had a sugar high in 538 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: the way that much of the government has been dealt 539 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 1: with in terms of the money that's just been the 540 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 1: spigot that's been being paid by Democrats. And there may 541 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 1: be a little bit of a retrenchment as people recognize 542 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: that that sugar high is going away. I did say 543 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 1: that last week, thank you for noting it. And the 544 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: Treasury Secretary was on TV this morning This is Cut nine. 545 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: Scott Bessant was saying, that's exactly what has happened. 546 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 2: Everybody. We need to face reality play nine. 547 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 5: Top ten percent of Americans are forty or fifty percent 548 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 5: of consumption and that is an unstable equilibrium. The bottom 549 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 5: fifty percent of working Americans have gotten killed. We are 550 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 5: trying to address that we're trying to get rates down, 551 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 5: and could we be seeing this economy that we inherited 552 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 5: starting to roll a bit? 553 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 2: Sure? 554 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 5: And look, there's going to be a natural adjustment as 555 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 5: we move away from public spending, the private spending. The 556 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 5: market and the economy have just become hooked. We've become 557 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 5: addicted to this government spending, and there's going to be. 558 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: A detox period, detox period. Of course, there's going to 559 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: be a detox period when you've been spending beyond your means, 560 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: if you've been running to the mall, I guess, does 561 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: anything really go to the mall anymore to spend on money? 562 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 1: But if you've been running to the mall spending ten 563 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 1: grand a month on your credit? 564 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 3: Wife does okay? My mother and my mother in law? 565 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 2: Does? I think? Yes? 566 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 1: I just want I just wonder, like at what point 567 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: they're gonna name a chair or something after my wife 568 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: at Costco? You know, like, at what point does she 569 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: get that honor for spending as much at Costco as 570 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 1: she does? I'll tell you this, fuck you know. I 571 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: went downstairs to get my smoothie for lunch, and I 572 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 1: look down and we have a big Costco chili ready 573 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: for dinner tonight, and I'm already excited about having Costco chili. 574 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 1: It's my I don't shop I shop at Amazon, and 575 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 1: I shop at Costco. That's like ninety nine percent of 576 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: where I buy anything. I love every I'm like your wife. 577 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 1: I love every time I get to go into a Costco. 578 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 1: It's just always a glorious experience. And it's funny too. 579 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: I've said, honey, do you want me to go with you? 580 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 1: And she's be like, no, it's fine. I'm like, oh, 581 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: It's like it's like she doesn't want me to spoil 582 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 1: it by so asking my my ignorant Costco questions or 583 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 1: anything like. This is her place, this is her this 584 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: is her field trip that she gets to go on 585 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: once a week and load up the entire suv full 586 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: of things from Costco. So, but look, you a bundle 587 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 1: of money in the process, as one does. She's saving 588 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 1: me nothing but money. It's almost like everything she buys 589 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 1: is free because of all of the savings. And those 590 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 1: of you who are familiar with wife or girl math 591 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: are familiar with how that actually goes. She's doing me 592 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 1: a favor by bringing home those big jars of whatever 593 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: it is because it's such a good deal. That's exactly right. 594 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 1: That's how girl math works. It's gone popular on TikTok. 595 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 1: We've talked about this before, where women will go on 596 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 1: and say, look at how much I saved, and then 597 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: you know that they sometimes try to talk to the 598 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 1: men in their lives like that's not actually no, But 599 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 1: girl math is you don't spend money, you only save money. 600 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 1: So something's half off. You have saved a massive amount 601 00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: in the process. So this is the costco is the 602 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 1: perfect example of this. 603 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 2: Yes, but back to. 604 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 1: The economy overall, this is not a surprise to the 605 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 1: administration that there would be a little bit of a 606 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 1: disruption of the market because if you're going to cut 607 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 1: the spigot off of tremendous spending from the federal government 608 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 1: and the expectation that this will just continue, you know 609 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 1: there is you can pay a lot of people to 610 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: do nothing, and a lot of people are making money. 611 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 1: The point is we don't want that to continue to happen. Yeah, 612 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: so there'll be a little bit of a disruption there. 613 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 1: And that is the only thing that you can point to. Basically, 614 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: the stock market, the S and P five hundred down 615 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 1: like fifty one hundred points. I think in the last 616 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 1: six months the only thing you can point to and 617 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: be unhappy with, I think, and certainly that's why Democrats 618 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: are plummeting in their overall popularity. This is the week 619 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: the NCAA Tournament is underway. Basically starts tomorrow with the 620 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,479 Speaker 1: play in games. I bet Buck doesn't even know what 621 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 1: the play in games are. 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