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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Fata Bridges of the podcast, part of

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Speaker 1: the Volume Podcast Network. I am Chad Millman of the

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Speaker 1: Action Network. This week, my co host, my companion, my compadre,

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Speaker 1: my BFF professional betters. Simon Hunter is still on they cation.

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Speaker 1: Yuck ended up with his relatives in Northern England, getting

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Speaker 1: his accent permanently on. But and the NBA season just

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Speaker 1: wrapped up, and it was thrilling, and it was exciting,

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Speaker 1: and it was awesome, and it was heartbreaking, and we're

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Speaker 1: wondering if we've crowned a dynasty. We're wondering how long

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Speaker 1: before Tyrese Halliburton comes back. But because the ANBA season

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Speaker 1: has mastered the month of June and into July, we

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Speaker 1: got so much good NBA stuff to talk about. NBA Draft.

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Speaker 1: Wednesday night, I'm joined by two of Action Network's finest

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Speaker 1: to discuss the NBA Draft. The event serves as the

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Speaker 1: official kickoff of the NBA offseason, the prelude to the

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Speaker 1: NBA Free agenc Madness to come from Action Networks NBA

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Speaker 1: Betting podcast Buckets. Welcome to the show, Brandon Anderson and

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Speaker 1: Brian Fonseca. Brian, I feel like you're making your maiden

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Speaker 1: voyage on the Favorites.

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Speaker 2: I definitely am. This is the first time that I'm here,

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Speaker 2: happy to be here, obviously, just wish it was after

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Speaker 2: a better Game seven.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it was a bummer. The Pacers made it

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Speaker 1: as much of a game as they could. That everything

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Speaker 1: about that Tyrese Haliburton images heartbreaking, and I think it's

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Speaker 1: going to stick with everybody in the finals. Brandon like

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Speaker 1: watching that game. I mean, we should do a quick

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Speaker 1: two minute recap just because it was. I never thought

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Speaker 1: that Pacers had a chance, but they've been so dynamic

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Speaker 1: and so such fighters all off season. Right up until

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Speaker 1: they were blown out, I thought they had a chance,

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Speaker 1: and I thought Oklahoma City was starting to sort of

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Speaker 3: It felt like we were literally like two three minutes

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Speaker 3: away from like you know, you know, it's the middle

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Speaker 3: gonna get like it was gonna flip totally to like,

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Speaker 3: you cannot blow this, Oklahoma City, You're the favorite, You're

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Speaker 3: at home in Game seven, Halliburn's.

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Speaker 4: Out, you can't blow this.

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Speaker 3: And then they didn't blow it. But we were like

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Speaker 3: three minutes away. It felt like from you know, I

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Speaker 3: think Oklahoma City had like a nine to zero run

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Speaker 3: and kind of ripped it open. If that round goes

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Speaker 3: the other way, if the Pacers just hit a couple

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Speaker 3: of threes and get a stop or two, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: We'll never know what would have happened. It sucks that

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Speaker 3: Tarrey's Halliburn the lasting image will have is of him

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Speaker 4: In that way.

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Speaker 3: There's so many images of Haliburn in these playoffs. We

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Speaker 3: got the choke image, we got the game winner in

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Speaker 3: Game one image, so many awesome moments, and it just

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Speaker 3: it's a terrible outcome both ways because we don't get

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Speaker 3: to see the payoff for the Cinderella Pacers thing, and

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Speaker 3: it kind of takes away from what it feels like

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Speaker 3: the thunder accomplished as like just an obvious not for me,

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Speaker 3: but an obvious asterisk. He sort of situation like, ah, well,

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Speaker 3: you know, the star got hurt. So you can just

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Speaker 3: smell the storyline coming where we kind of have to

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Speaker 3: talk down both sides of the equation.

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Speaker 4: Now disagree the bumber to finish.

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Speaker 1: Disagree, Brian, I completely disagree with just the latter part

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Speaker 1: of what Brandon said. I don't take anything away from

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Speaker 1: the Thunder. The Thunder very well might have won that game.

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Speaker 1: They were in that game. Tyre's Halliburton had not been

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Speaker 1: that effective in the game. When he came back from

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Speaker 1: I don't believe that there is any asterisk on this

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Speaker 1: team at all. I thought, and I want your take

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Speaker 1: on that, but I actually thought Brandon was going to

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Speaker 1: say now in an East that to me was entirely

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Speaker 1: looking like they could be really confident Eastern Conference defending

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Speaker 1: that's up in the air. We don't get to see

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Speaker 1: the follow up of this team that grew and figured

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Speaker 1: a fan base. That's what I'm bummed I don't get

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Speaker 1: to see the next year. But Brian agree or disagree. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't think Brandon Adderson is wrong and Chad Milman

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Speaker 1: is right.

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Speaker 2: I don't think this is an asterisk. No, Look, it's

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Speaker 2: a bummer, right, because for me, it's like Oklahoma City

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Speaker 2: like they were the best team, but we were still

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Speaker 2: a fantastic Game seven. I don't know if Indiana would

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Speaker 2: saw Tyre's Halliburton make two threes from like thirty plus

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Speaker 2: the road in a Game seven where they're the most

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Speaker 2: defiant team in the NBA and you have to look

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Speaker 2: all these different things like that's how they got here

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Speaker 5: So to see it and like that was just disheartening.

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Speaker 2: I just wish it ended differently because I think, you know,

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Speaker 2: for the sake of like just basketball in the NBA Finals,

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Speaker 2: like we were about to see something.

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Speaker 5: Special, like a special finish.

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Speaker 2: Oklahoma City still might have won, that could have been

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Speaker 2: the case, but Tyre's Halliburton was like on a tear

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Speaker 2: early on and then he got hurt, like just on

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Speaker 2: that play. Three ruptured achilles in the playoffs, two to

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Speaker 2: get to because I have some I have some thoughts,

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Speaker 2: probably not a little bit of them on whether or not,

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Speaker 2: you know, this should affect how we look at NBA

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Speaker 2: seasons and whether or not they should be shortened. But ultimately,

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Speaker 2: like I thought, we were robbed of what would have

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Speaker 2: been a great finish, and Indiana, to Brandon's point, did

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Speaker 2: have like there was a window there in the third quarter,

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Speaker 2: but you know, they just didn't have enough. Ultimately, TJ.

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Speaker 1: But so far, Meanwhile, within the span of twelve hours,

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Speaker 1: we all of a sudden have so much to talk

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Speaker 1: about regarding any early leans for potential title matchups, potential

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Speaker 1: Western Conference finals or Western Conference champions, Eastern Conference champions.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the East for a minute. Halliburton probably

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Speaker 1: Daris Garland coming back from his toe surgery will be better,

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Speaker 1: and that team was diminished in the playoffs. What do

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Speaker 1: we do here? How do we handicap the Eastern Conference

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Speaker 1: right now when the teams that could have had the

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Speaker 1: best chance to win are now playing without their best players.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the favorites going into yesterday, we had basically co favorites,

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Speaker 3: three co favorites. I've never quite seen that in the NBA.

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Speaker 3: That's not how the NBA rolls with three co favorites.

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Speaker 3: It was Calvs, it was Paid, it was Knicks, and

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Speaker 3: Jim Turvey and I on Buckets did a podcast on

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Speaker 3: already kind of a look ahead to next year's conference finals.

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Speaker 3: We disagreed that the Knicks were in the triumvert of favorites.

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Speaker 3: We feel like the Knicks, they're a coach right now, Like,

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Speaker 3: let's see what the Knicks put together first, who will

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Speaker 3: put them in the mix? I do think the Calves

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Speaker 3: are the correct favorites. I know that they came up

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Speaker 3: we think about them losing the Pacers a little differently

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Speaker 3: now a month later after how good the Pacers have been.

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Speaker 3: Maybe not so embarrassing for a one seed Calves to

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Speaker 3: lose to that Pacers team. To me, you know we're

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Speaker 3: gonna naturally look down the list and say, okay, well

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Speaker 3: the Magic they got their new star, they had their trade.

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Speaker 3: They're the next young team to make the leap. How

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Speaker 3: about the Pistons. You know they were right there with

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Speaker 3: the Knicks in the first round. Maybe they're the team

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Speaker 3: to make the leap. For me, I don't necessarily want

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Speaker 3: an incremental growth from one of the young teams. Maybe

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Speaker 3: it will just be that I'd almost rather take a

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Speaker 3: far out, I'd rather take a shot at a wrap

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Speaker 3: that's like, hey, you know what those guys are.

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Speaker 4: The favorites talked about the blank canvas in the East.

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Speaker 4: We see that too.

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Speaker 3: How about we just go make a big move, Let's

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Speaker 3: make a splash. We weren't really trying to win right now,

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Speaker 3: but this conference is eminently winnable. Let's let's put our

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Speaker 3: chips in and go make a move. And maybe that's

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Speaker 3: Devin Booker now that the Suns are in a rebuilding mode.

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Speaker 3: Maybe it is Giannis on a new team, maybe he

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Speaker 3: stays in the East, Janis on whatever team in the

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Speaker 3: East with not Dame Lillard's Achilles. I'm interested, Like, give

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Speaker 3: me anybody, literally, any teammate to Yanis. Then that's not

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Speaker 3: Kyle Kuzma, to be clear, a real teammate to Yannis.

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Speaker 3: I'm interested, Like I am less interested in those middle

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Speaker 3: more interested in a longer shot team that just like

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Speaker 3: finds the star, makes the big move, smells the blood

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Speaker 3: in the water we're seeing and it's like, let's let's

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Speaker 3: take a shot here.

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Speaker 1: I love that idea. Who do you think that? And

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Speaker 1: is like you just name raptors nets who of the

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Speaker 1: you know, middle the teams that could take the big leap,

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Speaker 1: is going to put themselves in the best position.

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Speaker 3: So I was intrigued by the Nets. We talked about

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Speaker 3: this briefly after the game last night. Matt Moore at

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Speaker 3: Buckets things, that's not the Nets. You think the Nets

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Speaker 3: are a year away. They're saving up for a year

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Speaker 3: from now free agency.

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Speaker 4: That can change.

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Speaker 3: Maybe you kind of just shift your odds when there's

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Speaker 3: this big gap year.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna give them credit on that.

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Speaker 3: So I'm going to go with the Raptors as a

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Speaker 3: team that quietly, from like February forward, was like a

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Speaker 3: top three to five defense in the NBA, even though

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Speaker 3: they were just kind of off the radar totally. They

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Speaker 3: just they have this weird mix of players that don't

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Speaker 3: make a lot of sense. I don't really feel like

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Speaker 3: we know what Messiah Jerry is doing building the team,

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Speaker 3: but the weird mix of players make for interesting trade targets.

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Speaker 3: Is it brandon Ingram, is it Emmanuel Quickly?

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Speaker 4: Is it RJ? Barrett? Teams like these dudes.

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Speaker 3: I don't really love these dudes, but teams do, and

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Speaker 3: that means okay, maybe that was the Kevin Durant package,

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Speaker 3: it wasn't Maybe that's the Jannis package Jonason, Toronto international player.

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Speaker 3: I'm intrigued. I think that's a real possibility there. The

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Speaker 1: All right, Brian. Yesterday Kevin Durant traded to the Rockets

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Speaker 2: I mean, the Rockets already had in elite defense, and

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Speaker 5: I have my concerns.

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Speaker 2: I have my concerns about Kevin Durant turning thirty seven

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Speaker 2: But it's very hard to repeat, especially now because the

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Speaker 2: Because the game is just faster and Oklahoma City is

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Speaker 2: you're getting Kevin Durant to take on the Jalen Green role.

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Speaker 2: I think that Brandon's going to be.

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Speaker 2: I think that's a huge upgrade. The concern I think

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Speaker 2: He just develop more because he's only still in his

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Speaker 2: have to look at teams and how they're built from

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Speaker 2: thing could be said for Fred van Vliet, and they

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Speaker 1: So what do you think that starting line up for

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Speaker 1: Fred Van Vliet. Who's who's starting in place of Jalen Green?

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Speaker 1: Is it Jabari Smith? Is it somebody else They've got,

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Speaker 1: starting five for Houston Brandon, So.

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Speaker 3: I was hoping going to Brian for that one on

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Speaker 3: top of Brian nambe the starting five for Houston.

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Speaker 2: Too.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't.

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Speaker 2: I think maybe that maybe the two is not currently

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Speaker 2: Maybe I'm and Thompson just slides to the two for now,

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Speaker 2: and then you have Jabari Smith, Kevin Durant, and Alprin Shangoun.

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Speaker 2: But based on this question, Chad like, I don't think

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Speaker 5: I think Houston goes out and.

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Speaker 2: Kentavious Caldwell Pope, but conceptually somebody like that. Hell, if

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Speaker 2: I were them, I would be calling and I would

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Speaker 2: want for Derek White? Could we come? Could we actually

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Speaker 1: So would you even bet Houston at two in the

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Speaker 1: better bet given how they played against them and what

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Speaker 1: this team could have done is steph hadn't been injured.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's a tough spot with the Rockets

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Speaker 3: I think they are right to be the second favorite

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Speaker 3: them betible at that spot either. Like they again, they

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Speaker 3: East picture we have talked about, they're the big favor,

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Speaker 3: the Thunder. Probably we do know that since twenty nineteen forward,

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Speaker 3: the defending NBA champions have not made the following conference finals.

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Speaker 4: So maybe we should.

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Speaker 3: Be betting Houston, because if it's not the Thunder, maybe

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Speaker 3: it's open. But for right now, the Thunder to me

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Speaker 3: the worst version of this team to come over the

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Speaker 3: next few years. This is such a young Thunder squad.

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Speaker 3: Carusoe and Hartenstein are the veterans on this team, and

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Speaker 3: they're like around thirty, Like they're still fine and not

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Speaker 3: necessarily going anywhere. J Dubbs still young, getting better. Chat's

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Speaker 3: still young, not a great Finals should be getting better.

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Speaker 3: We saw both of those guys get better in series

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Speaker 3: and throughout the playoffs. Shay is still just kind of

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Speaker 3: a little better. He still can clean up the handle

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Speaker 3: can't invest in Houston futures right now because I do

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Speaker 3: think that the floor will keep them there in the

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Speaker 3: regular season, except that Durant will miss some time so

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Speaker 3: they'll move a little bit. But to me, it might

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Speaker 3: almost be that they're kind of buying down the price

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Speaker 3: in Oklahoma City a little bit. The gap from OKC

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Speaker 3: seventy three and nine after that, and they did not

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Speaker 3: in the in the West still, even though the Rockets

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Speaker 1: All right, So the team's chasing who want to be

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Speaker 1: like the Thunder. They want to be like the Pacers.

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Speaker 1: They want to develop through the draft, they want to

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Speaker 1: get young players on good deals. Obviously the Mavericks one

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Speaker 1: of those teams. They blew everything up with Luca. They

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Speaker 1: get lucky. They've now got the opportunity to draft Cooper Flag.

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Speaker 1: He will be the number one overall pick. If you

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Speaker 1: whoever would like to go first. I don't want to,

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Speaker 1: you know, I want to share the ball off between

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Speaker 1: you two. Do you have a comp do you have

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Speaker 3: I think that Cooper Flag is the clear number one

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Speaker 3: that he's being hyped as as this incredible next American MVP.

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Speaker 4: Surefire superstar.

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Speaker 3: I would love a world where Cooper Flag could be

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Speaker 3: my second guy on the team, and that might sound slanderous.

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Speaker 4: He's awesome.

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Speaker 3: He does so many things while the floor is incredibly high.

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Speaker 3: He's an awesome defender. He can score so many ways.

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Speaker 3: He's he can use both hands to finish. I don't

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Speaker 3: I don't know if that will ever be a knockdown

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Speaker 3: skill for him. I don't know that I quite think

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Speaker 3: I think he's more of like a B minus NBA athlete.

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Speaker 3: I only it will hold him back. But I don't

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Speaker 3: know if I see superstar MVP athleticism, which in the NBA,

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Speaker 3: size and athleticism are going to rule the day, and

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Speaker 3: you can't develop those things, you either are or you

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Speaker 3: are not. To me, I look at him and I

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Speaker 3: see a guy that I like to camp. Here is

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Speaker 3: Andre Kirlenko from the Jazz a couple decades ago, who

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Speaker 3: sounds like a mean comp. I thought our Kielinka was awesome,

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Speaker 3: Like I had him Top three and MDB ballot one

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Speaker 3: year as just a jackknife. Do everything I can initiate

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Speaker 3: the offense. To me, that's Cooper's biggest talent for his

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Speaker 3: with his defense. It's the all around game. It's it's

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Speaker 3: maybe Franz Wagner, maybe Franz plus, it's maybe Gordon Hayward plus.

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Speaker 3: I know I'm doing all the White comps. Here's my

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Speaker 3: other comp. What if you took Lebron James and all

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Speaker 3: the stuff that he's good at, all the rounded game

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Speaker 3: and all the ways of seeing the game, and then

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Speaker 3: you're stuck him in a lanky white teenager from Maine.

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Speaker 3: What if you did that. That's the comp That's what

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Speaker 3: Cooper Flag is and I mean all the good parts

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Speaker 3: it's gonna be a very good player, but not necessarily

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Speaker 1: All Right, So, Brian, the Spurs are number two. Super

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Speaker 1: exciting team between Castle, dieron Fox Wenby when he's back,

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Speaker 1: Dylan Harper, who a lot of people peg to be

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Speaker 1: an All Star. Flag and Harper are probably the two

434
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:33,240
Speaker 1: prospects people are most excited about in this draft. Can

435
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Speaker 1: they turn themselves into an OKC team in the next

436
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Speaker 1: twelve to twenty four.

437
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Speaker 2: Months, Well, if Victor won Monyam is healthy, I think

438
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 2: anything is possible kind of for that team. Speaking of

439
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 2: a team like Houston who has all their young guys,

440
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 2: Spurs have their young guys like they just drafted the

441
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Speaker 2: rookie of the year. After drafting the rookie of the year.

442
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,119
Speaker 2: They have Stefan Castle, who we project is going to

443
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 2: be really good, who people want to compare to a

444
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,640
Speaker 2: Drew Holliday type for example. And if he's that, that's

445
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 2: an enormous steal. That's an enormous win. That's someone who

446
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 2: you know could be a number three on a championship team.

447
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,160
Speaker 2: We clearly all expect, if healthy, which is the key

448
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 2: Victor Webba Yama to be that number one. So it's

449
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,919
Speaker 2: about filling out the rest of the roster and going

450
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 2: shopping with maybe a Keldon Johnson or a Devin Vessel

451
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 2: and trying to see what you can get for some

452
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 2: of those guys if you want to like trade up.

453
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 2: Oh and by the way, they have Daron Fox, who

454
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,159
Speaker 2: presumably would be your number two because they landed him

455
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Speaker 2: last year. Dylan Harper is interesting. I wonder how he'd fit.

456
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Speaker 2: It does feel like it is trending that way. I

457
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Speaker 2: have my questions about the entire records experience last year,

458
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 2: just because not just not making the NCAA tournament with

459
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,640
Speaker 2: you know, two of the top guys, but also like

460
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 2: I just feel like, if you're that.

461
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Speaker 5: Good, should probably win a little bit more.

462
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,120
Speaker 2: Now, stats don't always translate, Like we have a lot

463
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Speaker 2: of examples of guys who aren't that productive in college

464
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 2: and end up being more productive in the pros, like

465
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Speaker 2: a Stefan Castle, like Russell Westbrook, like a zach Lavine.

466
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Speaker 2: But there are examples the other way where guys put

467
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,119
Speaker 2: up big numbers in college, like a Ben Simmons, like

468
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,199
Speaker 2: Markel Foltz, it doesn't really mean anything. And those are

469
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 2: two of the guys that people are probably scared of

470
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Speaker 2: as it pertains to these Rutgers guys. Ace Bailey being

471
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Speaker 2: the other one, and I think he scares more people

472
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Speaker 2: for obvious reasons. I think Harper feels like a safe

473
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Speaker 2: number two pick. I don't think I'm as high on

474
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Speaker 2: him as some of the others, Like I really like VJ. Edgecomb,

475
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,440
Speaker 2: for example. He's somebody who's gonna be picked maybe right

476
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 2: after Harper. He's favored to go three, he might go fourth.

477
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Speaker 2: I think he's definitely a top five pick. He's a

478
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Speaker 2: guy that I'm really excited about. I like Trey Johnson

479
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 2: a lot, like there are other guys in this draft

480
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,919
Speaker 2: that excite me more long term than Harper, But I

481
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:43,679
Speaker 2: still think Harper is going to be really good. But

482
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Speaker 2: it feels like a safe number two overall pick. And

483
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Speaker 2: for the Spurs, I don't think they need to sort.

484
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Speaker 5: Of reinvent the wheel here.

485
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Speaker 2: I just think they need to hit on somebody to

486
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Speaker 2: continue to add to what they.

487
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Speaker 1: Have, so you don't think trading out of that spot

488
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Speaker 1: if they're not convinced on Dylan Harper and trying to

489
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Speaker 1: get someone who is a veteran that has a contract

490
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Speaker 1: that plays to what fits within their construct is now

491
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 1: and getting future picks because they will be giving up

492
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Speaker 1: a number two overall pick is a better play. Oh.

493
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Speaker 2: I would absolutely entertain moving number two if I'm the Spurs.

494
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Speaker 2: If I'm the Spurs and I want to get ambitious

495
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 2: and really look at the Western Conference, like, Okay, we

496
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 2: have Victor Wembanyama. We can go to war with him

497
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,880
Speaker 2: and de Aaron Fox and Stefan Castle and everything else

498
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Speaker 2: we have, Like, yeah, I would entertain moving off of

499
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Speaker 2: number two. Frankly, I thought that if Yiannis was on

500
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Speaker 2: the table, that's something that they can dangle in front

501
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 2: of Hookey and be like, hey, Giannis Wenby, Darren Fox,

502
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 2: Stefan Castle, if he survives that trade, like the Spurs

503
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 2: still have draft picks to play with. So yeah, I

504
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Speaker 2: would definitely entertain moving off number two if if there's

505
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Speaker 2: a package worthy, especially because there are things that they

506
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 2: can do now that Victor woman Yama is still on

507
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Speaker 2: his rookie contract and is not going to hit an

508
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,360
Speaker 2: extension until that kicks in a couple of years from now,

509
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 2: so they have time to take in some salary, some

510
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 2: big salary before Wemby ends up getting his inevitable MAX extension.

511
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Speaker 1: All right, well, look, you mentioned the magic player who's

512
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Speaker 1: sort of the folk rum on which all this is

513
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: going to turn, And that's as Bailey, who has been

514
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Speaker 1: weird and animatic and making demands of teams when he

515
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 1: has been the guy of those three players at the

516
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,679
Speaker 1: top of the board who people had the most questions about,

517
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 1: has not visited anybody yet most people expected him to

518
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 1: be the consensus number three. Now people thinking that it

519
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:51,439
Speaker 1: may be VJ. Edgecombe, and that kN K. Nipple is

520
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,360
Speaker 1: the guy who could go four. Trey Johnson you mentioned him,

521
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: could go five, and a lot of people now starting

522
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Speaker 1: to mock he's Bailey going sixth to Washington? And because

523
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: is it this guy's game, is it this guy's attitude,

524
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,679
Speaker 1: is it the way he's managing the process? I know

525
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: his father is intimately involved, and how Dad's always fucked

526
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: things up. So, like Brandon, if you're making a bet

527
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Speaker 1: on who the number three pick is gonna be Do

528
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Speaker 1: we look at all this as a smoke screen? Are

529
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Speaker 1: we off Ace Bailey going to the sixers?

530
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Speaker 3: I don't think it's a smoke screen. I think Ace

531
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Speaker 3: Bailey thinks it's all very real. I think Ace Bailey

532
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Speaker 3: seems to want to fall out of the top five

533
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Speaker 3: and get to a spot where he can get a

534
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 3: few more shots up. This is the guy just wants

535
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,719
Speaker 3: to shoot some jumpers, right. He just wants to just

536
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,479
Speaker 3: go be a hooper. This is a hooper at heart,

537
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Speaker 3: and he wants to hoop with the wizards who need

538
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 3: a hooper. He wants to hoop with the nuts, who

539
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 3: we just talked about as a blank slate. That sounds

540
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 3: more appealing to me if I just want can I

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Speaker 3: be Cam Thomas?

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Speaker 4: Great, I'll get twenty.

543
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Speaker 3: Points a game like he might become a pretty interesting

544
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Speaker 3: Rookie Year sort of pick if he falls to one

545
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 3: of those teams. Rookie of Year odds are up right now,

546
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 3: by the way, at one book already Cooper flag opened

547
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Speaker 3: at minus four hundred to be the Rookie of the Year.

548
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 3: That is yeah, Brian's face does it all. That's an

549
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 3: absurd number of over confidence in Cooper Flag. I'll give

550
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 3: you a Rutgers hot take here. I watch a lot

551
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Speaker 3: of Rutgers ball this year. Obviously you need to because

552
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 3: both Harper and Bailey, and I was like, man, I'm

553
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 3: out on Bailey. Bailey's not good. This is not my

554
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 3: style of guy. Here's my Ruckers hot take. I think

555
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 3: Dylan Harper if you could give me odds right now

556
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 3: on to win an MVP someday, I will fade Cooper

557
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 3: Flags odds and I would bet Dylan Harper's odds. I

558
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 3: think Dylan Harper has a higher ceiling of MVP level

559
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 3: of a James Harden type player of the way we

560
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 3: choose MVPs these days, of what he would do. What's

561
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 3: weird is that, after all my watching of Rutgers and

562
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 3: all my hating of Ace Bailey and the style of

563
00:28:55,720 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 3: playery is like a Wiggins type player, an MPJ Harrison Barnes.

564
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 4: Who are these guys? They're all like.

565
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 3: Top three recruits that sucked for an entire NBA career

566
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Speaker 3: and then eventually we're like, well, you kind of became

567
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 3: a pretty solid fourth role player on a winning team

568
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 3: after we paid you three hundred million dollars to develop

569
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 3: into that, and you're like, well, I guess I'm not

570
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 3: the number one player. Maybe I should rebound and defend

571
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 3: a little bit. And you eventually became that. But was

572
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 3: it on your initial team that drafted you? Was it

573
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 3: in our initial investment of one hundred million dollars?

574
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 2: Not?

575
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 4: Really?

576
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 3: All that said, those are good players, those are players

577
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 3: on champions. Wiggins won a championship, NBJA won a championship.

578
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 3: A different sort of player, Aaron Gordon was a number

579
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 3: one in Orlando, then went to Denver and became a

580
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 3: different version and became a champion. And this guy that

581
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 3: we love, I think, to me, I really like j Edgecum,

582
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 3: I really like con K Nipple. Shooting guards are only

583
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 3: so valuable. Ace Bailey's upside of what he could be

584
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 3: if that jumper is is wet as it looks, if

585
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 3: I think there's some defensive upside and potential there. We

586
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 3: saw him make some nice blocks and steal some playmaking.

587
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 3: I personally, after all that, still have Bailey top four

588
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 3: on my draft board. Even though I don't even like

589
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,479
Speaker 3: the idea of what he is. I think he's a

590
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 3: perfect fit in Philadelphia. They need a shooter with size

591
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 3: VJ and Kahn are shooting guards. This is a Cooper

592
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 3: Flag size player in Ace Bailey, and I'll come back

593
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 3: all around. I will be looking to invest in the

594
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 3: sixers at three. Still drafting Ace Bailey. I'm not gonna

595
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 3: do it yet because this is effectively number one pick.

596
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 3: We know one and two, and we've seen the odds

597
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 3: swing wildly in like twenty four hours before the draft.

598
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 3: Darryl Moury don't care what you think about it. Darryl

599
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 3: Moury doesn't care if you canceled your workouts. Daryl Moury's

600
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 3: gonna do whatever he feels like it. And if he

601
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 3: feels like you're the guy his team wants to have,

602
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 3: he's gonna draft you and let you figure it out later.

603
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 3: So I think Darryl Moury might after all that, still

604
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 3: think Ace is the guy. And if we can get

605
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 3: like he's a four hundred plus four hundred odds now,

606
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 3: if I can get like a past five six hundred,

607
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 3: the ten to one on okay, we've all decided it's VJ.

608
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 3: Let me swerve the way I bet the draft is swerving.

609
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 3: I'll bet on uncertainty. I still think Aces and play

610
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 3: at three, all right?

611
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: Well, you also just gave me a hot take here

612
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: about what's going to happen with Ace Bailey and where

613
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: he best belongs and also who has the higher upsides

614
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: as VP candidates in the future. Brian, I know you

615
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: have a hot take, and I'm actually incredibly interested in

616
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: it because the player you're talking about not only represents

617
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: the college where my younger son is about to go,

618
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: so we paid a lot of attention to this kid,

619
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: but also he is mocked to be going to the

620
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: team that I love the most, the Chicago Bulls. Give

621
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: me your hot take.

622
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 2: Okay, who is are we talking about Derek Queen specifically?

623
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 5: Is that what we're talking about? Yes, just to make sure.

624
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, Derek Queen, who right now is in New York

625
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 2: City obviously get ready for the draft. I'm very intrigued

626
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 2: by his game. I think he's gonna be either one

627
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 2: of the best players in this draft or somebody who's

628
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 2: out of the league in like five six years. So

629
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 2: the problem is with centers who can score, which he can.

630
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 2: He is one of the better offensive games for a

631
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 2: big man in this draft. Teams can't always figure out

632
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 2: what to do with these guys we saw.

633
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 5: I remember vividly.

634
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 2: This is ten years ago, but jialil okafor happened right.

635
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 2: This is somebody who came into the league. He was

636
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 2: a bucket down low. He can score on anybody. And

637
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 2: then three years later, after being a Rookie of the

638
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 2: Year contender, was getting traded with Nick Stauskis for a

639
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 2: second round pick and Trevor Booker to the nets where

640
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 2: he just sat and didn't nothing for the duration of

641
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 2: a few months before just flatlining the rest of his

642
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 2: career and we've barely seen him since. I think he

643
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 2: made a cameo with like the Fort Wayne team in

644
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 2: the G League this year, and he's been in the

645
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 2: G League. He played I think for the Nigeria national team,

646
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 2: like lot's really happened there. I think with Derek Queen,

647
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 2: though I don't know if he's alprin Shngun two point zero.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if he's a better version of that,

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Speaker 2: but he can be something. He needs to go to

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Speaker 2: the right team. This is something we don't talk about

651
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Speaker 2: enough with draft picks. These guys have to go to

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Speaker 2: the right environments. Often I worry about anyone who's.

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Speaker 5: Going to Washington for example.

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Speaker 2: No disrespect to anyone who roots for the Wizards, and

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Speaker 2: I do think they have some players like I like

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Speaker 2: Bala Kulabali, I like Alex Sar, But the right guy

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00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 2: has to go there. And I think with Derek Queen,

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Speaker 2: if he goes to like the Chicago Bulls, for example,

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Speaker 2: I would like to see them move Nko, that's gonna

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Speaker 2: be the case because it's like, all right, what are

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Speaker 2: we doing If you have both of them there and

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Speaker 2: Derek Queen's backing up the Kolavucevich like that doesn't make

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Speaker 2: a lot of sense. And also do I trust the

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Speaker 2: Chicago Bulls in terms of development no offense, I mean,

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Speaker 2: they haven't had a great track record as of late.

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Speaker 2: They look like they're about to pay Josh getting a

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00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 2: lot of money too, so we'll see what that happens there.

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Speaker 2: But with Derrek Queen, I think he needs to be

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Speaker 2: in an environment where he his offensive game is embraced.

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00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 2: Don't try to make him just the pick and roll guy.

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00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 2: He's somebody who can do things with the ball. I

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00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 2: think there's some playmaking potential in there, even at the

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00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 2: next level. But he's somebody who can create. And I

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Speaker 2: for a big man, and I do wonder is he

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Speaker 2: going to be pigeonholed as somebody who plays eighteen minutes

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Speaker 2: a game and is like a fantasy stud gets like

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00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 2: twelve and six and then go sit down. Or is

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00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 2: he somebody that is going to be nurtured and developed,

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00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 2: probably like an alprin Shngoun and see his offensive game

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Speaker 2: like actually gets at the next level. So I don't

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00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,879
Speaker 2: know if Chicago's the right environment unless you're telling me, hey,

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Speaker 2: the Kolovich can go somewhere else, or can he go

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00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 2: to a different type Brandon NASA's head vigorously, or can

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00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 2: he go to another team Like I know Charlotte is

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Speaker 2: a weird landing spot. I do think Charlotte might have

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Speaker 2: the right coach finally, but they still have to get

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00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 2: the right mix of players. Like I have questions about

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00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 2: LaMelo Ball, I have questions about Brandon Miller, and I

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00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,800
Speaker 2: bring them up because Charlotte could sneakily be a trade

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00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 2: back candidate. So do they go back in the top

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Speaker 2: ten and maybe get the Derek Queen if they're because

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00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 2: the Mark Williams thing happened, and it's like, are they

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00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 2: going to try to move off Mark Williams again because

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00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 2: he was almost a Laker that one time that we

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00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 2: seemingly all forgot. So I think Derek Queen could either

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00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 2: be really good or just somebody who's just shoved out

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00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 2: the league. Because teams can't figure out what to do

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00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 2: with an offensive minded center anymore. Unless they can shoot

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Speaker 2: threes at a great rate or can just get like

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Speaker 2: seven eight assists per game or something along those lines,

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00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 2: they'll like almost have to be special. And I think

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00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 2: there's room for somebody who can create their own offense

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00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 2: on the interior, scoring the post, so to speak, but

704
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 2: could also be a little bit of a hub, even

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00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 2: if it's just for stretches of a game.

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Speaker 1: All right, Brian, you mentioned Charlotte potentially trading back, which

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Speaker 1: would be sort of a bold prediction for Draft night.

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Speaker 1: Brand And I'm going to give you the last word.

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Speaker 1: Give me your bold predictions for NBA Draft Night.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna give you a bold bet that you can

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00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 3: make right now for NBA Draft Night. We light at

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00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 3: the top with the Kevin Durant trade. In that trade,

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00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 3: the Phoenix Suns traded away Kevin Durant. They got back

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00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 3: some guys I don't really like very much, but they

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Speaker 3: also got back at draft pick. They got the number

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Speaker 3: ten pick, and the Sons have not had a number

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00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 3: ten pick. Have the Suns been paying attention to the

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Speaker 3: guys being drafted in the top ten? To have the

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00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 3: scouts even been like ready for who might be that

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Speaker 3: guy in the top ten? You know who's guy that

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00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 3: the Sons do know a lot about. Matt Ishbiah, the

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Speaker 3: owner that likes to be involved, played a little basketball

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Speaker 3: in college with Jason Richardson. You want a championship with

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Speaker 3: Jason Richardson. Jason Richardson is the father of Jace Richardson.

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00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 3: Perhaps we know that about him. Jace Richardson to be

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00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 3: the number ten pick. I bet it in the Action

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00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 3: app last night forty to one odds. Do I think

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00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 3: he should be the number ten pick? Probably not, but

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00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 3: I think it's in range. I have Jace Lottery on

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00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 3: my board that's in arrange well enough. Maybe the scouts

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00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 3: aren't totally ready yet, or maybe Madishpia is ready and

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Speaker 3: he's like, you know what, we're starting over, but we're

733
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 3: starting over with my guy, my guy from MSU, the

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00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 3: Michigan State Heritage pick. Maybe he took number ten with

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00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 3: full intention to put the stamp on and bring in Jace.

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Speaker 3: That's my bold prediction, forty to one or best number

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00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 3: you can find.

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Speaker 1: I love that, Brian, I lied. I'll give you the

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Speaker 1: last word. Do you have a lot? Do you have

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Speaker 1: as bold a prediction as Brandon does?

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00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 2: Unfortunately about forty to one, But I think I do

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00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 2: think like I'm intrigued at a potential shakeup in the

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Speaker 2: top five. Where I looked at your my Afears at

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00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 2: plus three hundred and common Malo Watch at plus three

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00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 2: fifty to go into the top five, because if Ace

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00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 2: Bailey is going to legitimately fall, because there are still

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00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 2: some books who think he's going to go in the

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Speaker 2: top five, and I know that Bill Simmons and Ryan

749
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 2: Rosseillo keep talking about Utah potentially liking Ace Bailey.

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00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 5: I think there's a reason for that.

751
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 2: But if Ace Bailey does fall out of the top five,

752
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 2: you're gonna need guys to rise on the board. Jeremiah

753
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 2: Fears is somebody who reportedly has been killing his draft workouts.

754
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 2: Who is somebody who is a very athletic guard. I

755
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 2: have questions about the jump shot, but those type of

756
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 2: dudes tend to rise up in the draft. Malo Watch

757
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 2: also is seven foot two and looks like he's gonna

758
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 2: be able to knock down threes at some point consistently,

759
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 2: along with being a rim protector. That's modern day NBA

760
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 2: basketball from the center position. We just saw Chet Holmgren

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00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 2: in that finals being a version of that. Those are

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00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,720
Speaker 2: the two guys that I would look at in terms

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00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:01,280
Speaker 2: of potentially crashing the party in the top five. Mala

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00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 2: Watch from Duke was one guy that I especially like.

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00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: He scared the hell out of me as somebody who's

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00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 2: Puerto Rican in the World Cup and in the Olympics

767
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 2: because he was on South Sudan and I was like, man,

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00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 2: I hope they don't play him a lot. They did not,

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00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 2: and he's gonna be the face of that program for

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00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,240
Speaker 2: a long long time. But those two guys, I think

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00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 2: either one of them have the potential to rise into

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00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 2: the top five if something just sort of freaky happens

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00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 2: early on in the draft.

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