WEBVTT - Estelle 0:00:02.720 --> 0:00:15.720 Money. We are thank take we are the authority. And 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:22.440 ladies and gentlemen, my name is Tank. This it's the 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:27.280 R and B Money Podcast, the authority on all things 0:00:27.400 --> 0:00:31.680 R and B. See you think you think R and 0:00:31.720 --> 0:00:35.879 B is local, local joker? You you think it's local? 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:40.559 Huh RB a local today tonight. I don't know what 0:00:40.640 --> 0:00:43.760 time it is where you watching it? Arms got international, 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:48.560 huh just elevated. Yeah, it's not just no American thing. No, 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:51.280 it's not just no American thing. I mean there was 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:53.040 there was an American boy of all. But it's just 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:55.600 American thing, you know that. See what I'm saying. We 0:00:55.680 --> 0:00:57.920 have a love one in the building, a superstar in 0:00:57.920 --> 0:01:03.680 the building. She does it all man makes an Yeah, 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:11.720 thank you. How you doing? I'm doing awesome? Girls, It's great. 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:16.959 Just going to the access beginning. Just talk you know 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:21.679 the way I normally talk right now, you know, try 0:01:21.800 --> 0:01:28.480 to make you know, accommodate. Sure he feels what is happening. 0:01:28.720 --> 0:01:33.000 This guy, you know, he's from the hood, so I 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:37.199 have to make what I have to make sure he's 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:41.760 you know, accommodated. But now it's about it's not terrible, 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:47.840 but it's just like a boy. Oh my gosh, and 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:54.640 it's a new They keep me here and how you doing? 0:01:56.520 --> 0:02:00.360 I'm here amongst the madness and King George? What are 0:02:00.360 --> 0:02:03.640 you both good? Great? We are good. We are happy 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:09.040 to have you. I love I mean, you know you're dope. 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:12.519 Thank you. I think you're I think you know, talent 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:14.520 wise and all of the cool things, like all that 0:02:14.639 --> 0:02:17.400 is cool. But you know, your energy has been a 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:22.120 thousand percent consistent and on just a godly angelic level 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:25.000 since the first day I met you. And that's that's 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:29.399 really cool and rare. Yeah. Now, you genuinely are a sweetheart. 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:32.240 Thank you. Yeah, I've always felt that every time I'm 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:34.240 in your presence, like this is just a sweet person, 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:36.800 and it's tough to remain that way. Yeah, Like you 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:40.760 may start off, you know what I'm saying, and then 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:43.560 you really get into this ship. Yeah, and you really 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:46.440 start to go through some things. You start really seeing 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:50.880 the colors and the skins on these people, and it 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:54.400 can turn you, it can turn you different. Well, I 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:56.720 have been there, you know, like, and I always say that, 0:02:56.880 --> 0:02:59.160 well I've said recently you have to go there to 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:01.720 know that you want to stay sweet and you want 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:06.560 to stay cool, you know, because it's this, this whole world, 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:09.919 not just the industry, is designed to make you realize 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:12.480 and see and face your shadow side, which is to me, 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:16.800 the mean side. You know, once you get cool with it, 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:18.720 I would say, I play nice with my shadows. I'm 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:20.359 clear where they are, I know what they look like. 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:24.560 I choose not to go there frequently, you know, And 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:27.240 and I don't take a lot of stuff personal anymore. Yeah, 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:31.000 you know, so that helps me stay Yeah, all right, man, 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:32.960 you're just probably having a bad day. I might be 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:35.120 having a bad day. I'll give myself grace. I think 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:39.200 the personal part of it is a tough bar because 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:45.320 as an artist, everything feels like an attack on you personally. 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:49.480 Sometimes it's all an attacks that's just not good? What 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:52.320 do you mean? It's not good? And you'd be like, 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:58.240 you don't know why I went through? How dare you now? 0:03:58.320 --> 0:04:01.800 But maybe sometimes it ain't and and it's okay for 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:04.640 it not to be. Sometimes it's just a fact, you know, 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:10.040 it's okay, it's okay that not everybody feels the way you. Yeah, 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:12.560 that's totally fine. And so then you just start to 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:16.000 you start to zero in on the people who do 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:19.280 that part. And I believe what you put your energies. 0:04:19.279 --> 0:04:23.400 Who was multiplies and so like, I worry about the 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:26.359 people worry about me in the greatest of ways, and 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:29.159 anybody else who doesn't or just just doesn't for the 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:31.720 sake of doesn't. Maybe that's I'm not your vibe. Maybe 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:34.520 we ain't in the same energy feel Maybe you're there 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:37.039 to let me know that there's harmony in the world, 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:39.920 and that's okay. It took me a minute to even 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:43.240 get that though, you know, because social media really had 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:47.440 a good hold on me. Um, just in terms of 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:50.920 these negative conversations. Oh yeah, I wanted to I wanted 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:54.320 to talk back. Sometimes you have to do it, though, 0:04:54.600 --> 0:05:00.720 It's okay, all right, up, like A in the morning said, 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:04.080 can you please stop arguing with with girl forty eight 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:10.039 nine not a real girl. You're literally you're literally fighting goes. 0:05:10.480 --> 0:05:13.160 It takes up to me. It takes like a big 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:16.320 amount of personal presence or just being like here right 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:21.200 to like even walk yourself off that ledge. Yeah, I 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:23.080 hate I used to never be this person to be 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:30.600 like nah f concastle like out here. So I'm up 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:33.880 and then and it was just like, is it changing 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:37.120 the price of my mortgage is it coloring my days? 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:40.640 Is it? Is it protecting my mom more? Is it? 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:43.640 None of that? None of it. I don't care about 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:45.640 you none, none of it. Like I had to say 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:47.240 it out, I don't care about you people, and move 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:54.520 along because I have drafts some days these thumbs yeah 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:57.000 what yeah? And then then some days when I was like, 0:05:57.000 --> 0:05:59.720 all right, now, what's your mouth? Like be careful? And 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:02.440 sometimes the statement is what's your mouth? That's it? And 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:05.719 that's it. Yeah, And I always I always wonder, and 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:07.479 I guess it's because I've just been on the other 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:09.279 side of it for so long. At this point with 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:13.120 the business side, is you know, I'm gonna step away 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:15.960 from being a creative. You guys are here, but you're 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:17.880 a creative too, Yes, but I'm going to step out. 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:19.920 I'm gonna step out and step out of the circle 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:24.680 and ask a question, would it just take too much 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:29.000 time to reply to all the love? Because y'all find 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:35.400 the hate hate hate finds out. I'm literally just I'm 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:38.440 generally just asking that question because there will be so 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:40.560 much love blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Oh 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:43.200 my god, the one thing, but you hate it, see it? 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:46.719 Like I'm going to cut your ass out. No, see 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:50.960 it as a party, right, See it as it's almost 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:54.359 a celebration you're hosting. It's your party. You're in the 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:58.760 party and you're dancing, see everybody, everybody stinks up a 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:01.360 good time and you point the finger in you may 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:05.840 and then that's that one person comes up and completely 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:09.120 stops the record, grabs the DJ's mind said, this is 0:07:09.120 --> 0:07:13.200 a bunch of bullshit. It should ain't even hot like that. Now. 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:16.560 I was like, so, in the in the midst of 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:23.800 enjoying all the love, that negative comment or whatever completely 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:30.840 interrupts the party. Okay, and pay attention to it more 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:34.640 because of that, because we're having such a good time 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:39.040 in these comments, such a great time. But then there's 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:41.400 also the perspective of like you give them the power 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:43.680 to stop the party? Is that Is that that big 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:46.360 of a deal what they said, right? Not that not 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:49.320 that some of the things ain't real. And before you 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:51.000 reply to it, to me, it's kind of like the 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:54.440 way you read it, I was like, I've had to 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:58.760 actively do this, like give it empathy, right that person 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:02.280 I go down there pay for response sometimes and I'm like, 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:05.040 you're just having a bad week, or you just feel 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:08.360 like this is your emo. I don't. I'm not allowing 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:10.480 you to be that big of a deal in my 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:13.320 day this week. So no, I'm not even responding to it. 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:16.120 I won't let you stop the record. You should refer 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:25.880 to your third post before you continue. You want me 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:28.960 to repost that for you. I really, I really be 0:08:29.080 --> 0:08:35.520 laughing better, you know, don't even but like I'll see 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:38.000 something that somebody says about I'll be laughing at it, 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:42.040 laugh well, and it's and it also like it also 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:45.600 like I had to think about, like before it even 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:47.720 got to this point, and things that I would hear 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:51.199 about people that I knew it. I was like, that's 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:54.240 not true. Yeah, it's not the stuff they're doing, right, 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:58.960 I'm just hanging out. Everybody's going an opinion and everybody 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:01.480 I tried to give us money empathy because guess what, 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:03.360 ever be a day when I get it completely wrong 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:07.800 and I just want empathy. Yes, So I try my hardest, 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:10.360 like I have to like concertedly do it. I say, 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:12.800 because I'm on look, you say I'm sweet every day, 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:15.040 and I'm just like it's a concerned effort to make 0:09:15.080 --> 0:09:17.280 sure that my spirit and everything stays in the right space. 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:20.920 I self correct as quick as I can. You know, like, 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:25.480 I'm not owed it. I didn't. I didn't. I worked 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:29.240 for this life. But there's there's God too, and he 0:09:29.280 --> 0:09:31.680 gave me this, and I don't play about it, and 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:34.120 he doesn't play about me. So I'm more beholden to 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:36.720 God than I am to anybody and anything else. Like no, 0:09:36.880 --> 0:09:40.920 so serious. So I like, it's a conscious thing. You know, 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:44.439 it's a real morning, middle of the day, you know, 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:48.480 and so the stuff, I'm human, Yeah, I go through it. 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:52.920 But the empathy part for me helps me to let 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:55.000 me just see what you going through this week. Look 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:56.920 at what you said on your Instagram pick. Someone told 0:09:56.920 --> 0:09:58.520 me I pose like an old lady, and I went 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:01.880 to custom out and then I went down his page 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:05.240 and I was like, this is a twelve year old, 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:08.520 so of course I'm old. Yeah, it's about right. I 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:10.319 want to be like I wanted to be like, yeah, 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:12.240 your mom. You know I'm probably your mom, so you 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:15.760 probably think, yeah, it's about right before we move on, 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:17.920 because I was about to move on, but then you 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:20.960 said old and old used to bother me so bad, 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:23.199 you used to I'm with it, though, like i'd rather 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:27.360 get old than die like that old ass nigga. You ain't. No, 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:31.440 I'm appreciative when they call me up. No, no, I'm 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:36.080 not unk, old ass nigga and the negative derogatory clap 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:38.600 at me, old ass nigga. What you're doing commenting here? 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:42.920 What you're doing here in the shade? Run? No, Uncle's different, 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:54.000 Uncle's reverence, respectful, old nigga Like whatever you're like, calm down, same, 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:57.240 are the same? Rung calmed out? How you taking a 0:10:57.280 --> 0:11:05.839 picture like that? You old ass nigga? Like, well, I'm 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:13.079 Richelia Rachel all right. Still. Yeah, we like to we 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:15.319 like to start the beginning. Yeah, we like to go 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:17.880 all the way back to the uk UK. We like 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:22.839 to know when first time, first time someone saw it, 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:26.800 or first time you felt it. I got something, discovered 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:31.160 that gift. Oh when I was like all right, when 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:35.280 I was like nine or something, at church and I 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:38.760 sang this song called Makeway for Love, I think like 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:41.760 it was a cover of a choir song, um, some 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:45.920 gospel choir and I didn't think I was good because 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:49.800 my friend you had the better voice, the gospel voice, right, 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:52.080 And I was like they were like, yeah, you're gonna 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:53.920 sing it, and I was like, I practiced so hard, 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:57.400 so hard, and Sunday morning I went and I sang it, 0:11:57.480 --> 0:11:59.400 and everyone stood up and collapped, and it was like, 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:05.760 yeahin't I was like, and you know, and then build 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:08.959 it from there, you know, every I realized that, you know, 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:11.400 I was in quiet. So I learned I'm a natural 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:14.199 alto and I could. I'm really good at it. And 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:16.040 then I started learning how to sing all the different 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:18.719 ranges and all the different things, and and it was 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:20.920 just from there. And then I realized that like no 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:22.760 one could really sing as deep as I could sing 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:25.319 at the time, um for like a twelve year old, 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:27.600 thirteen year old, And like I learned all the rangers, 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:30.280 and I would start arranging with my cousins and my 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:34.160 nieces and my cousins and my sisters. It's nine of us. Um, 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:36.880 it's nine of us. Told all the time as three 0:12:36.960 --> 0:12:39.000 girls in the group. And then my cousin and my 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:41.240 little friend from down the street and was in the group. 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:46.560 We thought, we're Black Street and Joe the season, Wily, 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:52.319 where do you fit in the number, my oldest girl, 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:56.160 You're the oldest girl's second oldest, second oldest. So it 0:12:56.240 --> 0:12:57.880 starts off with just you and your big brother. No, 0:12:57.960 --> 0:12:59.880 it starts off with me and my two younger sisters 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:02.480 and then my cousin. You know, I'm saying as far 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:05.040 as in the family. So it starts out with your 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:07.880 big brother than you. Yeah, big brother than me, and 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:10.480 then right behind me was my two year little sisters. 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:14.280 And so it was like one year, two years apart, 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:17.360 one year apart, two years apart to me and my brother. 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:20.559 I was cracking in your house. Yeah. My mom is 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:25.800 a g I do not aspire. She's just amazing. Yeah, 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:33.679 I'll get my dad is incredible to um. They're like 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:36.559 they inspire me in a whole different way. The story there, 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:40.000 that's what I wrote Love is rock about um. But 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:42.559 at the time, she was married to my stepdad for 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:46.240 much of my childhood and that's when we were in church. Um. 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:48.760 They break up when I was nineteen, and they get 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:51.280 back together when I was twenty three. Um, my mom 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:52.760 and my real dad get back together when I was 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:58.120 twenty three. Wow. And then they have stories they did, 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:06.079 Yeah I missed you, We got all the sys. What 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:12.840 we're gonna do? Mom? Dad, d you see the sere 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:18.000 But no, they their story was they met had me 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:20.960 and my three sisters. Two sisters split up when I 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:23.120 was three, got back together when I was twenty three. 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:27.200 I got mad when I'll stay three. Wow. So it's 0:14:27.320 --> 0:14:30.800 been a right, it's been a riding. Yeah. Yeah, it 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:33.480 spend the time. But we were allays just it was 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:35.880 always church, it was always reggae music, it was always so, 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:38.000 it was always African. It was always all the things, 0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:45.320 y'all just mixing it. Yeah, yeah, like church, reggae, gospel, gospel, pop, 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:51.480 all of it. So so in the UK is that 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:54.920 a thing though? For like for black families there, we're 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:56.960 just like we're mixing all of it. Yeah, Like you're 0:14:57.040 --> 0:14:59.480 in the house and you're playing all the gospel, all 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:02.400 the solo, the reggae or the dance or or whatever. 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:04.560 And then you go to school and it's like spanned 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:10.280 out ballet and like Yaz and like wherever, pop group, 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:13.800 Spice Girls, whoever. And then you come go to church 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:17.120 and it's Karen Clark and it's you know, Donald Lawrence 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:22.680 and all of them, and my favorite rates like she like, 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:24.760 oh gosh, I got to interview them and I was 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:29.560 just like um, and then you know, and then so 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:32.120 like all of that just mixes up. It's just it's 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:36.840 just whatever was good stuck. Yeah, you know that's crazy. Yeah, yeah, 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:39.960 I mean because I find I'm fine, Like I find 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:47.880 like the traditional roots still exist in the UK, you 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:49.800 know what I mean, especially for R and B music. 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:53.440 Yea so army. It would be like you hear the 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:55.600 story and I guess the idea is that R and 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:59.120 B artists will get like extradited or they were going 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:02.080 tour and be famous in Europe. In the UK, yeah, 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:04.840 and so our appreciation for them was different because we 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:08.240 saw them far more often and in more celebrated ways 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:12.360 back in the day than they were celebrated in the US. Right. 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:15.880 So yeah, for instance, when I know that when he 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:18.360 first came out, someone like music Soul Child would be 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:20.720 in the UK regularly. Yeah, And it was the same 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:22.480 for hip hop groups, and it was the same for 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:25.880 you know, like just R and B legends. They're always 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:29.880 they tore consistently in the UK, all the festivals, all 0:16:29.920 --> 0:16:35.440 the soul beaches, whatevers. It's made up of legendary American artists. 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:40.320 So we saw them like when I was twelve, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:43.680 eighteen nineteen, I was like glad as night and you know, 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:48.960 like seeing real music regular day. I used to be 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:52.240 jealous about that because all of my from genuine my 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:54.640 first overseas tour was with him in ninety eight. Yeah, 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:58.120 and I used to see Joe going over there like 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:01.720 crazy of course you said music soul Child, Carl Thomas, 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:06.800 all these guys going over there. I'd be like, I 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:09.400 don't want to go do that. And I never got 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:14.359 an opportunity to really build a touring base, you know, overseas. 0:17:14.400 --> 0:17:18.520 But I mean I do, I do well now, but 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:21.440 I'm still like, like, take Joe for instance, Yes, like 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:23.440 most times when I go on like I'm on his ticket, 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:25.639 you know what I'm saying, because Joe over there is. 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:28.840 But he had the opportunity of course. Yeah, he really 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:35.000 got dug in. Yeah Joe, it's Joe. Yeah, like not again, yeah, yeah, 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:40.760 Joe jacketed like John b like those guys, like guys 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:44.280 over there. You know, I remember a TDT went over there, 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:46.680 and we have been doing our thing over here in 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:48.720 the States, and you know, the screams are great in 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:52.080 the States. It's exciting. Yeah, but we walked out on 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:57.920 that hammer Smith Apolo. States different, it's different. Yourself was like, listen, 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:01.640 it was so different that before we were walking out 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:06.320 on stage, me and Genuine had damn, they're cussed out 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:10.439 Tyrese and had went upstairs and made our own dressing 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:14.360 room in another room, left him downstairs, right like we're 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:17.600 always about to fight. And we come downstairs, they playing 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:20.119 the intro music, were all about to go on stage. 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:22.840 Tyres is standing right there, me and Genuine is standing 0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:28.000 over here like this, standing on Twitter. Go we on tour. 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:30.000 I do something to him. No, I do something to 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:32.720 him to have a Tyres question, all right, sorry to 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:35.560 cut you, Okay, No, what what's this? What's this like? 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:38.480 Coming off? This was coming off with a black tie era, right, yes? 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:40.760 So was it just like could it have been remnants 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:43.960 of the black tie energy? No, it's just m So 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:49.159 that's my brother. I love him. It's just Tyres. It No, 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:53.720 no remnants of nothing. It's just I can tell you sorry. 0:18:54.480 --> 0:18:59.480 So we are literally about to walk on stage, divided, 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:02.800 not even talking to each other, like on some like 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:07.040 beef real beef. Yeah. And we start walking out on 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:12.280 that stage and the building starts to shake and we 0:19:12.400 --> 0:19:16.160 just all look at each other like like a five 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:28.680 heartbeat and it's that moment, you know, for me in 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:34.080 London that always gives me hope for you know, for 0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:37.480 of course our group, but just R and B period, 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:40.640 because I know there's a place like I know there's 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:44.000 I know there are places they really love this R 0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:49.040 and B music. Yeah, yeah, it's it's like that. It's 0:19:49.160 --> 0:19:52.320 it's unexplainable. It's unexplainable, and I love seeing it every 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:54.440 single time I see like an artis school women and 0:19:54.600 --> 0:19:58.120 like look at this Hampson Apolo, Brixton Academy, whatever, whatever, 0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:01.520 and I'm just like, yeah, we love it, like this 0:20:01.720 --> 0:20:03.800 is this is it. And so there's a certain amount 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:05.480 of truth that you're forced to do if you're coming 0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:07.320 up as an R and B artist in the UK. 0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:10.840 There's no version of this that that we're going to 0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:13.240 allow you to kind of she mean, shake your way 0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:15.800 into it and just kind of be okay, like they're 0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:17.800 gonna drew you down. Let me he's seeing a Cappello 0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:20.359 over and over again. I mean when you said in 0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:22.879 the lyrics, let me see what you look like consistently 0:20:23.040 --> 0:20:25.919 and are you real? And do we know your family? 0:20:26.040 --> 0:20:28.399 And how far back into the island seat. People just 0:20:28.440 --> 0:20:31.840 want to know everybody because your journey, yeah, your musical journey, 0:20:31.960 --> 0:20:37.360 having to prove and show up and show out, yes, consistently. 0:20:37.560 --> 0:20:40.080 So it's not it's not a thought in my head 0:20:40.160 --> 0:20:42.720 to pop out and have to do something, you know, 0:20:42.920 --> 0:20:45.080 like I'm convicted. I know what I'm walking with and 0:20:45.200 --> 0:20:57.359 I'm good so when I do call up. No. I 0:20:57.560 --> 0:21:00.800 was with the crew Black Fang and he's an artist 0:21:00.840 --> 0:21:03.080 in the UK and he had me come and wrap 0:21:03.520 --> 0:21:05.440 on one of his records. This is the short version, 0:21:06.000 --> 0:21:11.119 and I think at the time and the error it 0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:13.640 was Miss Dynamite who was out and I was doing 0:21:13.680 --> 0:21:16.040 my thing on the underground. I wasn't you know, everyone 0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:18.720 knew me but hadn't had a record out. And I 0:21:18.840 --> 0:21:20.879 kept going to the labels and kept having records and 0:21:20.920 --> 0:21:26.239 they kept like self produced, I self distributed all well. 0:21:26.320 --> 0:21:32.160 I was singing still with an apostrophe in the middle 0:21:32.160 --> 0:21:36.239 of I don't know, um, that's nonsense, but here we are. 0:21:37.520 --> 0:21:39.320 And so he put me on it. It was like yo, 0:21:39.480 --> 0:21:43.440 just rap and so I wrapped on it and people 0:21:43.480 --> 0:21:46.800 started knowing me around the UK and Europe as this girl, 0:21:47.080 --> 0:21:48.760 and I took every opportunity to go on the road 0:21:48.800 --> 0:21:51.040 with him. But that was the moment when people were like, oh, 0:21:51.359 --> 0:21:53.600 and then it was me. I didn't look like. I 0:21:53.720 --> 0:21:56.880 wasn't trying to be I wasn't putting myself in any 0:21:56.960 --> 0:21:59.000 other lane that they thought I should look like, be 0:21:59.160 --> 0:22:01.399 like feel like. I was just like, this is me. 0:22:01.480 --> 0:22:04.959 I'm gonna wrap like how I rap. And people were like, yo, 0:22:05.440 --> 0:22:10.680 this this girl. They was feeling it. So and from 0:22:10.720 --> 0:22:13.200 there on, age just kind of like doors were opened. 0:22:13.280 --> 0:22:15.200 Doors were opened, doors are open. But we were working 0:22:15.240 --> 0:22:17.159 at the same time, you know. Every time he was 0:22:17.240 --> 0:22:20.000 like come to Europe, come to wherever, Come do the 0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:22.800 show in Germany, Come do this tour in Spain, come 0:22:22.880 --> 0:22:25.840 do this stuff I was doing that, I would move out. 0:22:25.880 --> 0:22:27.640 I would go do it, and then I would also 0:22:27.720 --> 0:22:29.600 be producing my own records. I would also be like 0:22:30.000 --> 0:22:32.680 doing my own records like China Work. Yeah. I was 0:22:33.119 --> 0:22:36.919 all of the things independently, read the books, figured out 0:22:36.960 --> 0:22:41.800 I needed a distributor, got a distribute, recorded demos that 0:22:41.920 --> 0:22:47.239 sounded ridiculously terrible, putting them on this mixtape, put them 0:22:47.280 --> 0:22:51.359 out like moved, you know, and this point I'm like, 0:22:51.840 --> 0:22:55.679 at this point, I'm like twenty but one, twenty one, 0:22:55.760 --> 0:22:58.720 twenty but I've been doing it since I was seventeen. Yeah, 0:22:58.840 --> 0:23:03.159 producing your own stuff. Yeah, just trying to find a way, Yes, 0:23:03.440 --> 0:23:06.200 figuring it out. My mom's girl. So was there ever 0:23:06.320 --> 0:23:12.240 a time where you thought about going to school, I'm 0:23:12.320 --> 0:23:15.400 done with this, No, I did. I did. So our 0:23:15.480 --> 0:23:19.520 high school is college. Um so sixteen eighteen, so I was. 0:23:19.600 --> 0:23:22.360 I went to college for journalism. So the whole time. 0:23:22.400 --> 0:23:24.920 At the same time, I'm like working a day job, 0:23:25.240 --> 0:23:28.879 like several day jobs. So I had work in my 0:23:29.000 --> 0:23:32.280 suspenses grocery store, and then I worked to a company 0:23:32.280 --> 0:23:35.399 called Darker than Blue, which was a early in the 0:23:35.480 --> 0:23:39.480 game website about black music. So, okay player or yeah 0:23:39.600 --> 0:23:43.760 you know here we call it blue black Yeah, dark blue. Yeah. 0:23:44.040 --> 0:23:46.240 It was named after the Curse may Full song were 0:23:46.240 --> 0:23:51.000 the people that are dark and and he they had 0:23:51.080 --> 0:23:53.800 me hide as the gigs that I wanted to be 0:23:53.880 --> 0:23:56.040 a writer. I wanted to just figure out how to 0:23:56.119 --> 0:23:58.200 be in music, how to be in this thing that 0:23:58.280 --> 0:24:01.440 I love so much. And my friend Fusion was like, 0:24:02.080 --> 0:24:03.920 do you know how to write reviews? I was like, well, 0:24:03.960 --> 0:24:06.240 I've write I've written all these stories. I was a 0:24:06.359 --> 0:24:09.159