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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: He's a monster, A claim of a hidden side emerging

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Speaker 2: of a Palmetto child porn pastor suspect. You heard me right,

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Speaker 2: a Palmetto pastor accused of child porn and more a

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Speaker 2: Nancy Grace. This is crime stories. Thank you for being with.

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Speaker 3: Us, Florida detective So receive a tip that Pastor Jonathan

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Speaker 3: Elwing used cryptocurrency to buy child sexual abuse material on

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Speaker 3: the dark web.

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Speaker 2: Those are words you don't want in the same sentence together,

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Speaker 2: A so called Christian pastor and child porn all in

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Speaker 2: the same sentence. A former Palmetto emphasis on former pastor

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Speaker 2: arrested for child pornography is now facing over a dozen

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Speaker 2: new charges stemming from the child porn Who is this

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Speaker 2: guy listen.

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Speaker 4: Preaching the gospel in several areas of Florida with his

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Speaker 4: wife and four children, And so Pastor Jonathan Elwing is

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Speaker 4: the picture of what a conservative Christian leader looks like.

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Speaker 4: So when the Manatee County Sheriff's Office gets a tip

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Speaker 4: from cryptocurrency company Coinbase that the forty three year old

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Speaker 4: senior pastor of Palm View Baptist Church may have used

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Speaker 4: cryptocurrency to buy child pornography. Investigators know you can't judge

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Speaker 4: a book by its cover, but Ewing has a pretty

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Speaker 4: good cover?

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Speaker 1: Is he? Is he a quote? Pretty good cover?

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Speaker 5: You know what?

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Speaker 2: I could talk about this Palmetto pastor all day long.

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Speaker 2: TI line blue in the face. But let's take a

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Speaker 2: listen from the horse's mouth. And this became from the

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Speaker 2: Palm View First Baptist Church YouTube channel.

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Speaker 6: Is if you spend all your time searching for the

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Speaker 6: truth and you haven't found it, and you're tired of

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Speaker 6: trying to live a life that is pleasing to God

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Speaker 6: because you realize that you can't do it, and He says,

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Speaker 6: I want you to come to me. And when a

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Speaker 6: person sincerely comes to Jesus Christ admitting that they need

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Speaker 6: to be saved from their sin, then they are aware

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Speaker 6: that they can no longer. They could never have saved themselves.

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Speaker 6: You know, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I'm not a biblical scholar, although I try my best

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Speaker 2: and fail spectacularly.

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Speaker 1: Somewhere in there.

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Speaker 2: There's got to be something about you know what's the

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Speaker 2: worst A hypocrite.

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Speaker 1: A hypocrite.

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Speaker 2: Remember how Christ would make a point of referring to

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Speaker 2: the scribes and the pharisees and how.

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Speaker 1: Hate was in their hearts.

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Speaker 2: Just think about that for just one moment, and yet

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Speaker 2: he's taking he This guy, Jonathan Edward Elwing, seems to

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Speaker 2: because we know he's charged not only with child pornography

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Speaker 2: but actually attacking children. Jordan Littwiller joining US investigative reporter

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Speaker 1: That's ABC seven.

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Speaker 2: He's also at my Soncoast dot com. Jordan, tell me

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Speaker 2: about the charges on this pastor.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, So, forty three year old Jonathan Elwing is facing

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Speaker 7: eighteen separate charges two different cases. In the first case,

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Speaker 7: he's facing four charges of possessing child pornography, and then

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Speaker 7: in the separate case, he's facing six additional counts of

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Speaker 7: possessing child pornography, as well as six counts of using

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Speaker 7: a child to engage in sex, one count of capital

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Speaker 7: count of leud Elasivius molestation. He was initially facing two

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Speaker 7: counts of that capital sexual battery, but those charges have

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Speaker 7: since change, dropping one of those charges and changing it

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Speaker 7: into that molestation charge in Jordan.

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Speaker 1: He got me drink from the fire hydrant. Again.

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Speaker 2: You've just rattled all that off before I could even

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Speaker 2: take it in. Okay, Hold on, what kind of a

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Speaker 2: pastor is this guy? Baptist? Is he a Catholic? Is

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Speaker 1: What is he?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so he's a Baptist pastor. He graduated from a university,

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Speaker 7: for over two decades. He was actually replacing a pastor

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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, Wait a minute.

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Speaker 2: Usually I say to the guests, you're talking too slowly.

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Speaker 2: You're talking I can't drink in everything you're saying. And

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Speaker 2: in my world Jordan, Every fact is important.

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Speaker 1: Okay, did you say he's Baptist? Is that what you said?

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Speaker 3: Yep, that's correct.

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Speaker 2: Okay, thank you Lord for him not being Methodist. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I'm a United Methodist. And after the United Methodist pastor

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Speaker 2: I'm sure that the Baptists are spinning like tops right now.

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Speaker 2: So this guy, Jordan Littwiller has how many charges against him?

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Speaker 2: How many charges have been leveled at Jonathan Edward owing?

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Speaker 1: How many? Eighteen? Now?

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Speaker 2: Does that include the child porn and the offenses on children?

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Speaker 1: The sex attacks on children?

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Speaker 7: So that includes everything. There's the initial charges, which were

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Speaker 7: the four cases of possessing child pornography that ultimately led

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Speaker 7: of abusing children on his phone.

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Speaker 2: Oh on this a moment he videos himself molesting children.

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Speaker 1: Did I get that right, Jordan?

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Speaker 7: So, according to the probable cause affidavit, after the initial

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Speaker 7: photos were found, the forensic scientist did another deep dive

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Speaker 7: off his phone a couple days later, I believe it

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Speaker 7: and then he was actually pictured in those images. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: allegedly abusing sexually abusing a two year old.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Jordan, again, you're just like rattling this off. Did

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Speaker 2: you hear what you just said? Allegations he sex abused

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Speaker 2: a two year old? What is exactly the charge on

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Speaker 2: the abuse of the two year old? Is it sodomy?

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Speaker 2: Is it child rape? Is it some sort of a

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Speaker 2: lester molestation? What is he accused of doing to a

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Speaker 7: So that's the charge of capital sexual of someone above

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Speaker 7: the age of eighteen on someone who is less than twelve?

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Speaker 2: And what is capital sex battery in the state of Florida?

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Speaker 2: I can only assume that's full on rape or sodomy?

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Speaker 1: Which one is it?

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Speaker 7: Yes, he is accused of fully raping a two year old.

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Speaker 2: I'm not often left speechless, but right now I am.

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Speaker 2: John Bizarro is a raven CEO, former New Jersey State

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Speaker 2: Police Commander, Internet Crimes against Children Task Force, and so

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Speaker 2: much more.

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Speaker 1: John, Do you ever, I mean, you and I have seen.

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Speaker 2: It all, but every time I hear about a new case,

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Speaker 2: I feel sick all over again. Do you ever just

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Speaker 2: want to quit because it's too much? I think about it?

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Speaker 2: But then I hear about somebody like Jonathan Edward Ewing,

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Speaker 9: You know, I'm not surprised Nancy anymore. I mean, really,

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Speaker 9: the amount of people that we do this and look

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Speaker 9: two year olds. Unfortunately, tour or the dark Web, that's

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Speaker 9: where he was. There's so many platforms on actually how

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Speaker 9: to really rape children on these platforms. So these are

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Speaker 9: the places that he played at, right, that's where he learned,

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Speaker 9: and generally, in my experience, there's going to be a

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Speaker 9: I think this has been going on for a while.

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Speaker 9: So from an investigation standpoint, they're going to have to

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Speaker 2: You know, Karen Stark joining me, renowned psychologist, TV radio

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Speaker 2: trauma expert.

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Speaker 1: She's at Karenstark dot com as Karen with a C.

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Speaker 2: I always say in case you're trying to find her,

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Speaker 2: you know, Karen Stark, when you first met me, I

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Speaker 2: was getting my What was I getting at that point?

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Speaker 2: An m a Masters of Law in criminal and Constitutional

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Speaker 2: law at NYU, New York University. But prior to that,

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Speaker 2: I was at Mercer University, a small Baptist university, which

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Speaker 1: But you know, this type of.

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Speaker 2: A crime can brand a religion, or does it, because

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Speaker 2: this guy's a Baptist preacher. But we really see it

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Speaker 2: across the board. We see Catholic priests who molested choir

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Speaker 2: boys and others. I told you about the United Methodist

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Speaker 2: pastor that killed two wives. Hello, you couldn't catch him

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Speaker 1: On and on and on.

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Speaker 2: So no religion is immune to its leaders committing crimes,

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Speaker 2: but it seems more shocking, and it shouldn't. It shouldn't,

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Speaker 10: An empty because the truth is, we think about religious

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Speaker 10: and it's just the opposite of what we think. Because

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Speaker 10: someone in this position has access to children. They're usually

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Speaker 10: a good standing in the community, that's not unusual at all,

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Speaker 10: I'm not the least bit shocked. Nobody should be, because

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Speaker 3: A search of the church and Elwing's home reveals several

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Speaker 3: hidden cameras. Oh dear Lord in heaven.

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Speaker 2: First, I've got this Baptist pastor out of Palmettow with

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Speaker 2: I've got Jordan Littwiller here, investigative reporter in anchor at

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Speaker 2: Mysouncoast dot com. Thank goodness, I've got him to give

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Speaker 2: me all the facts. But what I'm understanding from him

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Speaker 2: this all started with Crypto calling and reporting this pastor

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Speaker 2: allegendly is buying child porn with Crypto.

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Speaker 1: That leads to a search warrant and they get him.

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Speaker 2: He hands over his phone, thank you very much, and

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Speaker 2: they start searching it and they find the alleged child

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Speaker 2: so that leads me to the alleged rape of a

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Speaker 1: He videoed it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Jordan willerd thank goodness that you are fair and impartial.

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Speaker 2: Could you please give me these facts in a nutshell

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Speaker 2: one more time and don't go so fast.

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Speaker 1: I have to dissect it. Okay, go ahead, Jordan, thank you.

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Speaker 7: Sould you want me to start from very beginning.

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Speaker 1: The beginning.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I'm one of those people that need repetition, repetition,

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Speaker 2: And did I mention repetition?

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Speaker 1: Okay, go ahead? What happened? Yep?

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Speaker 7: So I talked to Coinbas's Global intelligence office. They said

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Speaker 7: that Jonathan Elwing made a purchase around ten dollars worth

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Speaker 2: Okay, Jordan, I need to understand what you just said.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Stacey Hana is joining me. Assistant State's Attorney out

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Speaker 2: My Privates Are Private, Author of Genius with a Penis

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Speaker 2: uncul and you can find her. It's Stacy Hanowitz dot com. Stacy,

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Speaker 2: I think this would be the perfect moment for you.

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Speaker 1: Specifically to hear this.

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Speaker 2: Listen this day from the Palm of You First Baptist

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Speaker 6: But Jesus doesn't say that forgiveness is found. Forgiveness of

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Speaker 6: God is found by going to church. It's not found

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Speaker 2: Now, I would never be accused of being a saint.

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Speaker 2: That's not going to happen. But I try, I really

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Speaker 2: You're not gonna get it.

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure.

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Speaker 2: By buying child porn. Pretty sure that's not the road

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Speaker 2: I love that this guy there's.

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Speaker 1: Anything to love about this case.

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Speaker 2: I love that this guy says, oh, I was buying

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Speaker 2: I hear you, But where did the porn come from?

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Speaker 2: That's of you raping a two year old child? Did

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Speaker 8: Well, I don't think anybody would be. I'm certainly I'm

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Speaker 8: we see this all the time, and we do hear

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Speaker 3: The just popped up.

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Speaker 8: Now when you're on video raping a child?

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Speaker 1: Wait, whit white?

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Speaker 2: Stacey Honowitz, you are a fountain of information. This is

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Speaker 8: Yes, it's a common defense. I mean what else could

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Speaker 8: You know, when you couple it with what he's charged with,

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Speaker 8: And when we're talking about a capital case for your

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Speaker 3: Porn forensic cell phone search finds photos of Elwing sexually

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Speaker 2: Okay, how did we get access to his phone?

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Speaker 5: Listen search warrants and having been properly mirandized, Jonathan Elwing

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Speaker 5: The forensic search of Jonathan Elwing's cell phone reveals image

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Speaker 5: investigators are able to extract hidden files from Elwing's personal

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Speaker 2: Okay, see, you know you can go to law school.

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Speaker 1: Not just law school at Mercer, but NYU.

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Speaker 2: But you don't know anything about private photo vault apps.

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Speaker 2: Joining me in addition to Jordan Littwiller joining us from WWSB.

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Speaker 2: Karen Start renounced psychologist John Pizerou, former New Jersey State

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Speaker 2: Police commander of Crimes on Children. Now Anna Sonoda, child

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Speaker 2: You focus very often on online grooming. What can you

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Speaker 11: Well, Nancy, I'm having a hard time keeping my breakfast down.

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Speaker 11: This is such a devastating case because it highlights everything

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Speaker 1: I agree with everything you just said. I wish I

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Speaker 2: Hey, Karen, start with me, You know Karen Stark or

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Speaker 2: would like to tell myself, well, this child was two.

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Speaker 1: Years old when this happened. They're not going to remember.

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Speaker 2: And even if they lock that memory away and suppress it,

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Speaker 2: you know how you raise your children like I raise

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Speaker 1: As a victim of violent crime.

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Speaker 2: I suspect everybody I see a molester or a killer

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Speaker 3: Right that said two years old.

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Speaker 1: We think the.

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Speaker 10: Allegedly, it won't be a clear memory the way it

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Speaker 10: it will definitely affect them. It will be there and

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Speaker 1: And I want to add that the.

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Speaker 10: There's no doubt he has done this before that other

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Speaker 2: You know, to John Pizzorro about this vault this, how

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Speaker 2: He actually downloaded and got this app the same way

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Speaker 2: think about this, Karen Start. I have memories at age two,

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Speaker 2: a memory. So I find it difficult to believe that

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Speaker 2: this child, and I'm sure there are others allegedly. I

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Speaker 2: believe the child will have a distinct memory of being.

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Speaker 1: Raped by the preacher John Pisorro. What is this app?

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Speaker 2: I'm very intrigued by a private photo vault app.

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Speaker 9: So all these offenders never get rid of their photos.

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Speaker 9: They hold on to them against the sexual gratification, over

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Speaker 9: and over again to relive that experience. So a vault

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Speaker 9: app basically will look like calculator. So you know, if

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Speaker 9: you see two calculators on someone's phone, it's not because

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Speaker 9: they love math. It's because that there's another way for

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Speaker 9: them to hold that information. So that's where people will

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Speaker 9: download that because again they're hiding it. So every activity

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Speaker 9: he's taken, from going to the dark web to actually

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Speaker 9: looking at ways to hold that information, I'm sure you'll

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Speaker 9: find even more digital devices that he stored it and

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Speaker 9: held it from SD cards, anything he can do to

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Speaker 9: hold that information so he can access it anytime he wants.

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Speaker 3: A deacon for the church says I keep thinking this

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Speaker 3: is a really bad dream, and adding we are no

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Speaker 3: longer associated with it.

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Speaker 1: Well, I guess they're not. Guys.

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Speaker 2: We are talking about a Baptist minister now charged with

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Speaker 2: child pornography and child sex offenses. To Jordan Littweller, joining

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Speaker 2: US reporter anchor WWSB, that's ABC seven News. He's also

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Speaker 2: at Mysncoast dot com. Jordan, if you know the answer,

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Speaker 2: don't say it, But do you know who the alleged

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Speaker 2: victims are?

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Speaker 7: So we haven't been able to confirm who the alleged

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Speaker 7: victims are given the age and the nature of the crimes.

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Speaker 1: The witness list.

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Speaker 7: On the Manatee County Clerk's office is completely redacted, so

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Speaker 7: none of that information is out there. The probable cause

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Speaker 7: after David as well, redacts all of the names and

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Speaker 7: anybody else who has been interviewed regarding this case.

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Speaker 2: Okay, good, I'm just thinking that through because isn't it true?

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Speaker 2: Of course he has minor children. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: they're the victims or not. But when you look at

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Speaker 2: the background of these child porn images and videos he

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Speaker 2: shot off himself, raping children allegedly and other acts, you

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Speaker 2: can tell from the background where the incident took place,

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Speaker 2: like isn't at his home which would indicate as one

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Speaker 2: of his own children?

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Speaker 1: Maybe, but we.

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Speaker 2: Also know and correct me if I'm wrong, you're the expert.

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Speaker 2: Weren't there multiple cameras found in and around the church

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Speaker 2: and isn't the church where he preached associated with a

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Speaker 2: Christian school for children.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's correct.

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Speaker 7: That was one of the concerns that the Manatee County

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Speaker 7: Sheriff's Office voiced in their initial press conference.

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Speaker 1: There is a school right.

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Speaker 7: By the church, and at the time of the arrest,

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Speaker 7: the school, or at the time of the press conference rather,

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Speaker 7: school wasn't in sessions. So all of the cameras were

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Speaker 7: just found in his church office and at his residence.

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Speaker 7: And going back to what you said about the alleged

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Speaker 7: abuse happening in his house, the probable cause affidavit did

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Speaker 7: confirm that the pictures they cross referenced the pictures and

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Speaker 7: the bed sheets in the pictures with the bed sheets

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Speaker 7: in his master bedroom and addition, firm where they were

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Speaker 7: the same blue bed sheets. So that does lead you

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Speaker 7: to believe that the abuse did happen in his master bedroom.

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Speaker 2: Guys, I've got to hand it to Coenbase, who has

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Speaker 2: just helped the Manatee County Sheriff's Office take an alleged

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Speaker 2: child predator from behind the pulpit and off the streets.

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Speaker 2: That's a whole another can of worms. Let me throw

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Speaker 2: this out there to Stacy Honowitz, veteran States Crimes and

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Speaker 2: Child abuse prosecutor and author of My Privates Are Private

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Speaker 2: genius with the penis. Don't touch the bully at school

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Speaker 2: is really uncool. She's as Stacyhonowitz dot com Stacy, this

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Speaker 2: is a whole plethora peddor's box, so to speak, of

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Speaker 2: potential victims, because we now know that there are multiple

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Speaker 2: secret cameras placed in and around the church and I

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Speaker 2: guess the school.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely, I mean, you know quite often in these

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Speaker 8: types of cases, that's what you see. We've got the cameras,

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Speaker 8: We've got many victims, and now you have to go

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Speaker 8: through the arduous task of trying to figure out who

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Speaker 8: those victims are. I mean, just because it happened in

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Speaker 8: his bedroom that that's a great thing that they're able

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Speaker 8: to narrow that down the bed sheets and everything like that.

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Speaker 8: But now we have to figure out if it's not

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Speaker 8: his own kids, who was brought to his house as

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Speaker 8: a pastor, did he have people over, did he have groups?

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Speaker 8: But you are starting to narrow it down, but this

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Speaker 8: becomes a very large task for law enforcement to try

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Speaker 8: to figure out how many victims and who the victims are.

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Speaker 8: It's not a surprise, Nancy. I wish I could tell

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Speaker 8: you that this is a one time offshoot happening. We

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Speaker 8: see this more and more, and yes, we have to

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Speaker 8: give a big shout out to coinbase for turning this.

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Speaker 8: And in the old days it was Walgreens in any

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Speaker 8: place you tip your film to be developed. If they

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Speaker 8: saw photographs, then they reported it to law enforcement. Now

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Speaker 8: we're so advanced with technology, I'm with all of these

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Speaker 8: horrific websites and the dark web that we have to

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Speaker 8: try to figure out ways to be able to get

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Speaker 8: these guys off. This is definitely a great start and

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Speaker 8: we do have to give them kudos for turning in

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Speaker 8: this information because now you're going to see just what

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Speaker 8: this person was all about. Again, to all of your

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Speaker 8: other guests that have been talking, you know, in prosecuting

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Speaker 8: these cases, these guys are master manipulators. So putting aside

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Speaker 8: the looking and viewing child porn in an effort to

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Speaker 8: get kids ones that are older the age of two,

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Speaker 8: because at too they can't speak, they're not going to

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Speaker 8: be able to fight back, They're not going to be

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Speaker 8: able to say leave me alone.

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Speaker 1: The constant.

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Speaker 8: Education of trying to educate kids older about grooming tactics

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Speaker 8: and getting too close. And just because it's a priest

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Speaker 8: or just because it's someone who you trust, doesn't mean

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Speaker 8: that you actually can trust them, because in most cases,

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Speaker 8: the likelihood of seeing the suspect.

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Speaker 2: Is the person that you did trust the most. John

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Speaker 2: Bizerro joining us raven Ceo. John, I've got pre meditation up.

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Speaker 1: The tail pipe.

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Speaker 2: I think you know what that means, because not only

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Speaker 2: do we have him downloading a super secret photo vault app,

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Speaker 2: he tried to smart everyone by paying for child porn

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Speaker 2: via crypto currency. I wouldn't even as if I have

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Speaker 2: time to look at my husband's bank account.

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Speaker 1: Never how I.

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Speaker 2: Wouldn't even think it would dawn on me to try

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Speaker 2: to find out if David is making secret purchases on

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Speaker 2: a cryptocurrency account. That would not Okay, now that I

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Speaker 2: thought about it, I'm going to go look for cryptocurrency.

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Speaker 1: But that said, this is pre meditation out the ying Yang.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, consciousness of guilt. He knew what he was doing

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Speaker 9: to start with. I mean he was taking every parameter. Look,

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Speaker 9: anytime you go on the dark web and you're trying

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Speaker 9: to hide your IP address, you're doing cryptocurrency you're trying

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Speaker 9: to hide your bank information, so everything d vault app

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Speaker 9: he's trying to hide what he actually has, so he's

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Speaker 9: taking steps to make sure that he doesn't get caught.

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Speaker 9: And generally speaking, I mean lucky. I know he had said, like,

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Speaker 9: unquote it was because I had adult porn. There's three

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Speaker 9: porn sites, so why that doesn't make sense? Right? So

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Speaker 9: and most likely if you are on tour and you're

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Speaker 9: using cryptocurrency to purchase something, it's illegal.

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Speaker 12: Investigators are still working the case against Jonathan ell Wing,

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Speaker 12: and prosecutors say they could go for the death penalty

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Speaker 12: under a Florida law which allows the death penalty sentence

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Speaker 12: for sexual battery of a child under the age of twelve.

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Speaker 12: In Florida, juries only need eight of twelve jurors to

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Speaker 12: agree on the death penalty, as opposed to unanimous juries

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Speaker 12: in other parts of the country.

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Speaker 2: Jordan Littwell are joining US investigative reporter and anchor WWSBABC seven. Jordan,

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Speaker 2: have you ever been to the zoo? I have, yes, Okay,

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Speaker 2: have you been to the snake house?

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Speaker 7: I have a lot a big better snake I've been there.

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Speaker 2: I hate them, but you notice that they're always behind

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Speaker 2: glass so some idiot doesn't try to like reach out

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Speaker 2: and grab one. That's how I feel every time I

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Speaker 2: look at this guy at the pulpit preaching.

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Speaker 1: It's like the snake house. I am looking.

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Speaker 2: At it, but it also makes me sick looking at him.

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Speaker 2: The sound we're playing the video of him preaching gives

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Speaker 2: all Christians, all of us struggling Christians, a black eye.

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Speaker 2: But what about his family? What are they enduring?

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Speaker 1: Listen?

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Speaker 12: The former pastor's wife, Crystal, has been devastated by the charges.

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Speaker 12: Manatee County Sheriff's Office information officer Randy Warren tells The

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Speaker 12: Daily Mail. I don't know how much she may be

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Speaker 12: suspected something was wrong, but everyone involved here has said

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Speaker 12: how much she was surprised and devastated. Warren also says,

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Speaker 12: with everything we've collected in the search for additional images,

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Speaker 12: we're going to have a final number of up to

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Speaker 12: twenty five charges. We've got production of child pornography, capital

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Speaker 12: sexual battery, and lout and lascivious molestation.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the reality is Stacy Hanos very briefly, every

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Speaker 2: time you transmit or send a child porn image, that's

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Speaker 2: another felony. Every time you transmit it, every time you

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Speaker 2: download it. Much let's create it as this guy's accused

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Speaker 2: of doing. So, it could very well be more than

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Speaker 2: twenty five charges if they want to parse it that

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Speaker 2: way correct.

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Speaker 8: Each one is its own count anytime, any If you

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Speaker 8: have fifteen pictures and you're possessing fifteen pictures of child porn,

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Speaker 8: it could be fifteen counts if you're transmitting it transmitted

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Speaker 8: fifteen times. Just like you said, each one is its

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Speaker 8: own individual count.

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Speaker 2: And a Sonoda joining us child sex Whob's grooming expert

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Speaker 2: and author of dut Groom. You can't let your guard

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Speaker 2: down as a parent. You can't let your guard down.

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Speaker 2: If it's the pastor, or the youth minister, or the

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Speaker 2: guy selling doughnuts at Krispy Krame or the grocery store

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Speaker 2: check out guy that gives your children a set of

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Speaker 2: crayons every time you come there. You can't let your

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Speaker 2: guard down. And this guy proves it well.

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Speaker 1: Nancy.

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Speaker 11: It's easy to get caught up in our fear and

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Speaker 11: are worry about everybody, because, let's be honest, sexual predators

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Speaker 11: are everywhere. I recommend that we show up and that

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Speaker 11: we look up and we're observing the individuals who are

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Speaker 11: coming in contact with our kids. That churches who talk

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Speaker 11: and denominations who talk about the potential for child sexual

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Speaker 11: abuse are less likely to have instances of child sexual abuse.

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Speaker 11: Are there programs to train the leadership within your church?

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Speaker 11: Are there programs to educate parents? What about educating kids

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Speaker 11: on an age appropriate level about what grooming and child

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Speaker 11: sexual abuse might look like Every individual, then a church

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Speaker 11: setting should be co teaching and co leading. There is

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Speaker 11: no reason for individuals to be alone with a minor

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Speaker 11: within a religious context.

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Speaker 2: Karen start very quickly, a lot of speculation. Did the

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Speaker 2: wife know? I don't know if she knew or not,

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Speaker 2: or suspected if she did, suspect or did know?

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Speaker 1: Rot in hell woman. If she didn't know, it.

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Speaker 2: Could be because he so masterfully hid his acts. He

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Speaker 2: hid it from a whole congregation. So you know, when

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Speaker 2: you love someone, you very often have on blinders. You

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Speaker 2: don't see tell tale signs.

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Speaker 10: And that happens to a lot, and you hear a

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Speaker 10: lot where the wife is saying I would never have known,

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Speaker 10: and all of it is intentional. This monster made sure

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Speaker 10: that he had this kind of job. Nancy, this is

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Speaker 10: what he wanted so he could hide behind it. He

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Speaker 10: had a family.

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Speaker 1: I'm not surprised.

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Speaker 10: I'm sure none of your guests are, priest that he

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Speaker 10: looked like he was somebody trustworthy and a great character

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Speaker 10: because he was hiding Masterfleet a monster.

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Speaker 2: And Jordan Littweller, I got so many more questions for you.

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Speaker 2: Jordan joining us from WWSB, did you tell me earlier

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Speaker 2: that this guy came from Hill's Song the Very Troubled Congregation?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it did look like that was in his history.

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Speaker 7: I think as an associate pastor there, I believe maybe

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Speaker 7: that was his second church that he was at after

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Speaker 7: graduating from a Baptist University in two thousand and four.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: I believe there will be more charges and we will

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Speaker 2: all meet again as it relates to former pastor now

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Speaker 2: child porn defendant Jonathan Edward Elwing. But if you have

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Speaker 2: had contact with this guy's very important. If you know

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Speaker 2: or think you know any information regarding this case, even

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Speaker 2: a potential whichness or victim, please call Mantatee County Crime

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Speaker 2: Stoppers eight six six six three four eight four seven seven.

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Speaker 2: We can only stop child predators if we can catch them.

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Speaker 2: Thank you to our guest, for being with us, Nancy

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Speaker 2: Grace signing off goodbye friend,