Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black
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Speaker 1: back to another edition to All the Smoke, All the Nada.
Speaker 1: My brother, You're good and I'm good. Brother. We're back
Speaker 1: at it. Yeah, we got some more family in the
Speaker 1: house today. Welcome our guest lamar odom something my guy,
Speaker 1: what's something, dude? We got you here? Man, a man,
Speaker 1: I've been trying to track brow down for a minute, like,
Speaker 1: come funk with us. Man, we gotta talk, come talk,
Speaker 1: Come kick it. Man. It's good to see you. We
Speaker 1: jump right into was a hell of a year for
Speaker 1: the world. What was one thing positive negative you took
Speaker 1: from keep your loved ones even closer to not being
Speaker 1: able to go outside, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: the people that you were relating with every day, you're
Speaker 1: gonna learn a lot about them. Keep going close to you.
Speaker 1: Of course, all the time your story has been widely publicized,
Speaker 1: it's been an up and down journey for you, to
Speaker 1: say the least. Where is where are you currently at
Speaker 1: right now? We're just life, family, everything that's good for you.
Speaker 1: I'm happy, it's important, you know what I'm saying that's
Speaker 1: all the matter, sober, But I mean I'm happy, for
Speaker 1: the most part, hard working, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: trying to get back on top where that should be. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: How would your versatility translating the game today? Probably like
Speaker 1: closer triple double? Yeah, I would say like same thing,
Speaker 1: like high James harden Like, don't give you some of
Speaker 1: my favorites you st James harden Um, Luca I thank God. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Lebron Ben Simmons, you know what I mean. I like
Speaker 1: the way you dream on green play the game too,
Speaker 1: versus tell someone could do a little bit of everything,
Speaker 1: God to do a little bit of everything. Yeah, we'll
Speaker 1: take us back. Your upbringing, your childhood's it's been well documented. Uh,
Speaker 1: your father struggled with addiction. You unfortunately lost your mom
Speaker 1: at twelve. But all that shape that you into, you
Speaker 1: know the man you are. Tell us about your upbringing.
Speaker 1: Queen's Queen's Yeah, my mom's passed away. I was like
Speaker 1: I was twelve years old. Um, it's crazy. I remember
Speaker 1: the day she did pass away. I just want you to
Speaker 1: to Paul like who all day? That was like the
Speaker 1: first time I got, like the past to stay out
Speaker 1: all night you know what I'm saying. I think my
Speaker 1: grandmother knew I was creaving, you know what I'm saying. Um,
Speaker 1: she passed away in the afternoon and she I was
Speaker 1: in the parks and the next morning just hooping. And
Speaker 1: you know, growing up in New York, the point guard
Speaker 1: game is big, you know what I mean. So I
Speaker 1: always like trying to be like Kenny Anderson. When I
Speaker 1: came into the league, I was kind of like it
Speaker 1: was like a six nine Kenny. But then that changed
Speaker 1: when I went to Miamiounds. But basketballs, you know, it's
Speaker 1: been a journey. It's been like for me, life is
Speaker 1: you know, ups and downs. When did you pick hoop up?
Speaker 1: Just playing against dudes that was older than me every day?
Speaker 1: That was my practice, you know what I'm saying. Little
Speaker 1: did I know that I I was just holding my skills
Speaker 1: to you know what I'm saying to make it to
Speaker 1: the NBA. Um, just playing ball every every day as
Speaker 1: much as I can. What was the city like back then?
Speaker 1: Obviously big, big on basketball, big on music. I mean nineties,
Speaker 1: you know crack. You know what I'm saying. Um, Oh, tempo, violently,
Speaker 1: always gotta be on point at all that shape you
Speaker 1: and prepare you for what God was gonna put in
Speaker 1: front of you. With the journey you took in the NBA.
Speaker 1: How do you see that the New York shaped you
Speaker 1: and prepared you for what was coming. I think the
Speaker 1: streets in New York col prepare you for anything. Basketball
Speaker 1: in the streets was my life really, And girls say, man,
Speaker 1: ain't nothing changed. Really? You talked about outside, I mean
Speaker 1: that really holding your game. Talk to us a little
Speaker 1: bit more about how just playing outdoor, like you said, well,
Speaker 1: your handles everything. You know what I'm saying. And when
Speaker 1: you were from me from New York. You know you're
Speaker 1: in New York. Got a bay to pat the ball,
Speaker 1: no matter what positions you're playing, no matter how big
Speaker 1: and yeah, and it's you know it's gonna give you
Speaker 1: an extreme advantage, you know what I'm saying, no matter
Speaker 1: what level you want. Kyrie, James Harden, even Steph he
Speaker 1: known for his jump shot, but his handle is incredible.
Speaker 1: Shake shouting TV growing up as a kid, oh Man,
Speaker 1: Manjice Johnson, of course, Manzie Johnson, Kenny Anderson and then
Speaker 1: dudes that I love like even watching in the league.
Speaker 1: When I was even playing against call Net. What was
Speaker 1: your high school, you know, obviously a very decorated high
Speaker 1: school player at legendary AU teams. Take us back to
Speaker 1: that time because, like I said, you hit a growth
Speaker 1: spark and you kind of kept growing, but you still
Speaker 1: kept your guard skills at what are you six, tess? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm sick. I'm on six nine and a half now.
Speaker 1: But when I was when I was, um, I was
Speaker 1: a freshman in high school, I was like six too.
Speaker 1: But then when I came back to my sophomore yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like six seventh. Yeah, so at six too,
Speaker 1: you know, you're a guard in the middle of like freshman, yeah,
Speaker 1: like six five. Then when I get back, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: six seventh. So I was able to keep all my
Speaker 1: guard skills. I'm constantly playing against or playing with Eric Barkley,
Speaker 1: Speedy Clackson. We had three three NBA dudes on the
Speaker 1: same high school chain. That's crazy. And then it's probably
Speaker 1: the toughest league I think in the in the country
Speaker 1: at the South st Raymonds. You know, any one of
Speaker 1: those teams like probably being the top twenty five and
Speaker 1: any given year, you know what I mean. I was
Speaker 1: watching Kenny Anderson play. He was playing against the school
Speaker 1: um cold talent time it's not there no more. Well,
Speaker 1: you had Kenny Anderson and they had a center, his
Speaker 1: name was Robert and he went to St. John's. They
Speaker 1: was playing against the school cold tim in time. They
Speaker 1: had Brian Reese, Adrian Utry and with Leak Silly on
Speaker 1: the shame team. You see what I'm saying. So that's
Speaker 1: how I like tough to the c H I say
Speaker 1: is every year. So to win it from my year,
Speaker 1: you had to go. I had to go play against raw.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It's tough, tough just to
Speaker 1: get out. The city Championship in New York City is everything.
Speaker 1: How did you grow your game just by playing and practicing? Um?
Speaker 1: You know in New York like dudes, you know, work
Speaker 1: me out, UM, shoutout to Vincent Smith. He was Kenny
Speaker 1: Anderson's mentor growing up. I'm just working out, going to
Speaker 1: Lost between Jim, working on my handle, Bob Deck. You
Speaker 1: don't go to any gym and just work out as
Speaker 1: much as possible, just get it in. Especially at that age,
Speaker 1: I saw what it was really just basketball. But you
Speaker 1: know that was really before you smoking we or you
Speaker 1: know what I'm doing. Anything else and like that. Who
Speaker 1: tell me? Tell me about that rocket moment, the famous
Speaker 1: rocking moment when run and holding. Yea, when I mixed
Speaker 1: the boy up, yeah, and threw it through his leg
Speaker 1: When it was that, I think it was two Thomens
Speaker 1: for us. I think I just sound with the Miami heat. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I did just that was the rocker. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: raining raining, So we had took it to Gauchos Jim
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and then you know what I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm front of hold and all that, so I want
Speaker 1: to and all that, and it just it just came out.
Speaker 1: But you know who you know who taught me that move?
Speaker 1: Darius Mouths told me that movie Factors. He told me
Speaker 1: that movie because he sucked me up in practice. You
Speaker 1: threw it that way and then threw it between my legs,
Speaker 1: Like fuck, how do you do that? You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying? And I just picked it up. Darius Smile
Speaker 1: showed me that one of the Hall of Fame rocket moments.
Speaker 1: They touched on that, though I don't think people realized
Speaker 1: because his career was kind of fast, how talented. No, yeah,
Speaker 1: he was different, knuckleheads, Yeah, he was different. Knucklehead. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He was really like, um, like a miniature going net,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But he had more outside
Speaker 1: games like quick hand, quick crossover and all that. But
Speaker 1: he was dumb nice. He was before his time. When
Speaker 1: he came in, they thought he was gonna like just
Speaker 1: take it over. You know what I'm saying, He's gonna
Speaker 1: take it over. I had to just bust his ass practice.
Speaker 1: That's my boy, you know what I'm saying. That's my
Speaker 1: brother though, you know what I'm saying. But him and
Speaker 1: was tough too. Cu was. I was a fan of Cue.
Speaker 1: I'm in college. I watched him get liked. Word against Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: m against Cincinnatti. Big Cincinnati was more physical than any
Speaker 1: NBA team I ever played. Again, they had to shut
Speaker 1: down factor mm hmmm before we get to the league
Speaker 1: that we don't want to touch real quick on your
Speaker 1: your legendary AU team. Oh me, yeah, I think we
Speaker 1: were like yeah, they said and one, Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: crazy insane, right. I think that the you know, depart
Speaker 1: that is more memorable then than the basketball wins is
Speaker 1: like the brotherhoods that you know what I'm saying, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be able to you know, thirty forty years. We
Speaker 1: now call these dudes my dudes. Because though summers was
Speaker 1: a couple of summers that we spent together, so many
Speaker 1: pros come up out of that, y'all his kids talking
Speaker 1: about it, and now of y'all making to the pros. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think a lot of us. I think
Speaker 1: we knew m hmm. We were desting for even at
Speaker 1: that age. At least get there. Yeah, take us back
Speaker 1: to AU because it was different now. You know obviously
Speaker 1: I'm I coached my kids. They're twelve and they're in
Speaker 1: it and you can see everyone we're gonna play now
Speaker 1: through your phone. Back then, it wasn't like that. If
Speaker 1: they had these camera phones, highlights and all that. When
Speaker 1: I was coming up, the whole hood would have been indicted.
Speaker 1: Oh god, my lord, at before I even went to college.
Speaker 1: For if anybody with a business mind with me at
Speaker 1: that time, kidding me, it's extreme exposure. It might be
Speaker 1: over overexposed. I don't know how you fight overexposure. You
Speaker 1: not want your kid to be nice, right, Yeah, it's tough.
Speaker 1: Have to be really really in tune, I would say
Speaker 1: as a parent or guardian now, especially if they play
Speaker 1: sports and nice, it's a shark, and they get it.
Speaker 1: It's a shark. I got my hands on them, so,
Speaker 1: you know, just watching them. But because it's so many
Speaker 1: different ways to monetize from amateur sports, even if you
Speaker 1: do it the right way. So golf forbids you a
Speaker 1: scum bucket. Yeah you really prompt. Yeah, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like you said, it could be too much
Speaker 1: too soon, Like it's we've never had the kind of
Speaker 1: you know, we have kids that are superstars before they
Speaker 1: go to college, you know what I mean. Normally you
Speaker 1: get some accolades, you might parade all American, they can
Speaker 1: read about you in the magazine. But these kids are
Speaker 1: having bigger following. Zion would have had a bigger following
Speaker 1: than Doke had, you know what I mean, Like these kids,
Speaker 1: and I think everybody playing part with it, Sneaker companies
Speaker 1: and yeah, what was some of the top top schoolers
Speaker 1: racun You I wish I would have, like visit an
Speaker 1: h PCU, HBCU, you know, I wish I would at
Speaker 1: least gave him a visit. Could you imagine like the
Speaker 1: number one, number two playing the country visit an HBCU.
Speaker 1: I can at least imagine the visit with at least
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. I know, I was talking to
Speaker 1: my man about that. I think I might want to
Speaker 1: um get into the a AU world to take like
Speaker 1: the best players and get them to towards the HPCU
Speaker 1: and get them some love. Said, how many more it
Speaker 1: with you? I had about five to six more kids
Speaker 1: if I went to hbc you even visited a campus,
Speaker 1: I would have by five six. And I'm just saying, though,
Speaker 1: like I think I would get I would try to
Speaker 1: get with the AU just to do that, just to
Speaker 1: push kids to the HBCU and get them conferences. Wished
Speaker 1: I would have went to. Man, has it got to
Speaker 1: be like an experience? Imagine being the top player and
Speaker 1: then going to a school like that. So you don't
Speaker 1: have to be a top player just to be a
Speaker 1: big thing. They gotta be a move got I got
Speaker 1: two sons fifteen and sixteen, So I'm sure I'm gonna
Speaker 1: trying to put that in there with myself. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go for I'm gonna get an apartment on campus or whatever.
Speaker 1: It just it wasn't even. It wasn't it wasn't even.
Speaker 1: It wasn't the thought that process. I'm trying to survive.
Speaker 1: I wasn't thinking about college. Who are some of the
Speaker 1: schools though? That you that you thought about Vegas, Fresnel, State,
Speaker 1: U C, l A, Kentucky, Connecticut. Did across your mind
Speaker 1: to jump? You know? Seeing Kobe T. Mac Yeah it did?
Speaker 1: You know? I told my grandmother I was gonna always
Speaker 1: go to school. How does I want? I wanted to
Speaker 1: go to school, and I wanted to go to school too,
Speaker 1: But sometimes I wish I would have. I wish I
Speaker 1: had jump? How wrote out to get so lucky? Yeah?
Speaker 1: We have with you n LV to get you to
Speaker 1: Rhode Island. Oh they set that cheat? Did you? How
Speaker 1: are you gonna cheering six? My dumb ass was set
Speaker 1: it up. They was set it up for me to cheat.
Speaker 1: Not still face. But the motherucker scored too high? Oh
Speaker 1: really that took it too good? Go away too high?
Speaker 1: I cheated. I tried my best cheating, but I could have.
Speaker 1: I think I could have passed it though, because I
Speaker 1: took the s A practiced one before that. I kind
Speaker 1: of like was real close to the grade. So I mean,
Speaker 1: I wasn't stupid. You have you have someone else take
Speaker 1: the test for you that's the new Yorkshire. And he
Speaker 1: said they scored two good, they scored too high because
Speaker 1: they just looked at the my my average as a student,
Speaker 1: like what the motherfucker's called good twelve hunting on a
Speaker 1: T stupid mother? Does that work for the n C
Speaker 1: double A. They liked the FBI, they knew everything. Oh,
Speaker 1: they had me all the way, Jim, all the way, Jim, So,
Speaker 1: how did you end up in Broad Island? Then I
Speaker 1: was gonna u c l A that so I thought,
Speaker 1: I remember hearing that. And then Harrod got fired on
Speaker 1: November six whatever, Yeah, you got firighted. No, remember six
Speaker 1: is my birthday. Birthday. They tell me I gotta leave
Speaker 1: you and LV so I was gonna go to u
Speaker 1: c l A. So I said, I'm just gonna go.
Speaker 1: Hi was cat went you up there? Yeah? He took
Speaker 1: care of me that first year there. They won't even
Speaker 1: let me practice the secondary bats on the They wouldn't
Speaker 1: let you with that because of the S A T ship.
Speaker 1: I guess, because you know I'm the number one playing
Speaker 1: the country, extra harolded whatever, number one, number two, whatever
Speaker 1: you wanna call it, it's probably do it. I couldn't
Speaker 1: even read it. Right, So they got their whole like
Speaker 1: the president and all these people I guess that worked
Speaker 1: for the school and all that, and they asked me
Speaker 1: to write a story about my life. Now I'm sitting there,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about it, you know what I'm saying. I'm
Speaker 1: doing I'm doing that, and I'm like, I'm sitting I'm
Speaker 1: doing it. I'm like, motherfucker's really testing to see probably
Speaker 1: if I can read it right. I mean I did it,
Speaker 1: though it worked out. So you're the playing what one
Speaker 1: year there? One year? What was that like though? I
Speaker 1: mean that was such a small time school and you
Speaker 1: were such a big name. Incredible. I mean, the town
Speaker 1: showed me love. The school show me love, you know
Speaker 1: besides that, And I mean I didn't know if that.
Speaker 1: I didn't know if they were doing that. But I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, you know what I mean, I just trying.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to make it all makes sense, um,
Speaker 1: But the school showed me extra love. After my mom's
Speaker 1: passed away. I was really like fun school, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. I wish I took it a little
Speaker 1: bit more serious though. So ninety nine fourth picking the drafts,
Speaker 1: you go to l a Let alone with the basketball experience.
Speaker 1: What was it like going to l A the city.
Speaker 1: We got weed and white women. Man. One thing about that,
Speaker 1: I said, every day weather, weed and women game. And
Speaker 1: I had a million dollars and I'm nice. That's it.
Speaker 1: I'm like extra cocky with the game, like you wanna
Speaker 1: play pick up whatever? You know what I'm saying, like,
Speaker 1: whatever you want, you can have it your way. I
Speaker 1: had a bad decision making. What was the basketball side, Like,
Speaker 1: you're fresh too, obviously the Lakers in their tradition, You're
Speaker 1: going to a young, but team with the Clippers, I mean, sho,
Speaker 1: I had thirty my first game, you know, no sweat,
Speaker 1: no sweat. I'm hyped. We had the first game in
Speaker 1: the Stable Center. That was your first game? Was the
Speaker 1: first game in the Stable Center? You blessed him with thirty.
Speaker 1: I was messing with a booster from Vegas who was
Speaker 1: in construction, and yeah, he pulled out this these blueprints.
Speaker 1: He said, I don't know, here's my new building building.
Speaker 1: They called it Staples Center. Okay, all right, it's a
Speaker 1: small world. How I wind up opening it up playing
Speaker 1: the first basketball game? They're getting thirty, let's stop. I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm from New York. So it's just like
Speaker 1: it's really, like you said, it's heaven. Man. At nineteen,
Speaker 1: I can't complain. I don't know what's up. I don't
Speaker 1: even think I was driving yet. Yeah, y'all don't really
Speaker 1: be driving up every I think I was taking car
Speaker 1: services everywhere. Jeff McGinnis, you know, Jeff McGinnis, j Mac,
Speaker 1: J mack and Charles Jones holding me down. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: come to get every day of practice and all that.
Speaker 1: The silent Yeah. When when I first came to l A,
Speaker 1: you know, I you know, I go out when I
Speaker 1: first got to the Clippers. You will go out sometimes
Speaker 1: and the bounces be like, yo, say no Clipper party, Yo?
Speaker 1: Did you imagine that? Crazy? Right? And then it's a
Speaker 1: lot of times some of the people be like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's Moll, that's Moll, that's smaller mother. So I'm thinking
Speaker 1: about it, like a lot of the dudes I was
Speaker 1: playing with, they wasn't even going out. M Then what
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about it too. On the Clippers, I'm a rookie.
Speaker 1: I'm number four, you know how to legal I'm the
Speaker 1: highest paid. So they wasn't even probably even confident enough
Speaker 1: to even go out. No, it was definitely different. This
Speaker 1: ship early. It's two thousands, it's still popping. I remember
Speaker 1: being on a plane with my all, my sheet is
Speaker 1: and my CD player at the CD book everybody your
Speaker 1: second season. Yeah, I showed him how to really party, right,
Speaker 1: talk to us about that, show them how to like
Speaker 1: go out? How about them? I take pride in that
Speaker 1: we said on them says you should be like yo,
Speaker 1: were just as soon as we're dropping the city, everybody
Speaker 1: meeting down stairs when we're going out. It was just
Speaker 1: such a cool dude, like he made sure and I
Speaker 1: caught him later, I mean, but yeah, he was always
Speaker 1: gonna make sure everybody if we go out, we're gonna
Speaker 1: San Antonio. Yes, your whole squad came in my house. Yes,
Speaker 1: the whole team was in my garage and down. We're
Speaker 1: gonna all get it in and it might not be
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, I might not always have to pay
Speaker 1: for it, but we're gonna all have a good time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a real rat. Always that's the carpet. But yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what they did that too, made us tight
Speaker 1: practice want to get I'm pretty sure you know how
Speaker 1: it was in Indiana and all that you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, that motherfucker every time, just like Bond who
Speaker 1: was the coachry rookie year was it done? Levy. I
Speaker 1: didn't get to play for Dundle. It was Chris Ford.
Speaker 1: I played for um oh that is, and then Jimmy
Speaker 1: Todd and God blessed dead Dennis Johnson, which coach Jeff
Speaker 1: Alvin Gentry. Oh. I got a little quick run in
Speaker 1: there early un Yeah, al and Gentry helped me out
Speaker 1: though I got s spended twice smoking weed early on.
Speaker 1: Get him put it back now. Then they only was
Speaker 1: chest for wee right now right, No thanks to us
Speaker 1: because of us, because we had to take the hits
Speaker 1: sport oh one. You get EB. So you know someone
Speaker 1: you grew up playing with that was you him, D
Speaker 1: Miles and Q. You gotta started to make some noise
Speaker 1: with the Clippers. You know it's crazy that new changed
Speaker 1: let me him to the rock a lot too, though, um,
Speaker 1: I was just flashing back. My memory is like real
Speaker 1: bad accident, you know that. Well. I was just when
Speaker 1: you said EB and me playing on the court with
Speaker 1: E B. I wish we could have played longer together
Speaker 1: because I can remember coming down caring C four C
Speaker 1: four C turn four. Yeah, C four number, especially when
Speaker 1: you get cooking. He was a low down there, that bagic.
Speaker 1: So as your career starting to kind of take off, obviously,
Speaker 1: what's the what's the what's the balance of basketball and
Speaker 1: off the court life in that new fame obviously people
Speaker 1: knew you. But being in l A as a whole
Speaker 1: another monster. We all know that. That's two thousand three
Speaker 1: four It was. It was still really all ball. Then.
Speaker 1: I ain't really start, you know, extracurriculum party until like
Speaker 1: two tho uh five six with Miami. No I was,
Speaker 1: I wasn't playing with Miami, but the first time I
Speaker 1: think I was, I was in Miami. I was usiting Miami,
Speaker 1: and I was wounding out, wounding out a little too much,
Speaker 1: picked up a bad habit. Oh three, you had the
Speaker 1: South Beach. I think that's the ways rookie year. What
Speaker 1: was that like out there playing with Pat Riley and
Speaker 1: what kind of relationship? That was a dream come true
Speaker 1: for me because I told you I was a big
Speaker 1: Maggie Johnson fan and I'm from New York. So Pat
Speaker 1: coach to Knicks too, and then um I got to
Speaker 1: you know, play down, play down there for him for
Speaker 1: a little bit. It was a dream come true. Change
Speaker 1: my game though a lot because my responsibilities on that
Speaker 1: team was different than in the other team I've been on.
Speaker 1: It was like, I mean, l A was more like,
Speaker 1: go get the ball, make a play. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Pat got a system and you're gonna defend
Speaker 1: and being shaped before you do anything else. That's real
Speaker 1: manhood basketball. That changed you for the better. You feel
Speaker 1: made me appreciate the hard work that you put in
Speaker 1: for anything. You know what I'm saying. On the on
Speaker 1: the off the court, um Phils. His approach is more psychological.
Speaker 1: Pat is he's a he's a as a man man.
Speaker 1: Though he gave me that money. He told me like, yo,
Speaker 1: say get this money, but first thing you got you
Speaker 1: can live by yourself down You got more your family
Speaker 1: down here, That's what he said. So anybody to keep
Speaker 1: it that funky with you. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: He told me that sn here, but this is what
Speaker 1: you gotta do. I was like, all right, I did it.
Speaker 1: When Miami, you know, they whole um team is real
Speaker 1: family oriented. I won't be surprised if they retire you.
Speaker 1: You down this number. They got they got to We
Speaker 1: just had him extra stand up dude, supersider dude. He
Speaker 1: is the prototype Miami Heat player. Them allions are old
Speaker 1: stand up dude. Yeah, all gonna get good dukes. All
Speaker 1: gonna be good dudes. Oh four. The Lakers seat feels
Speaker 1: seemed like it's kind of part ways with shock and
Speaker 1: you're a part of a blockbuster trade. Yeah, I didn't
Speaker 1: even think it was gonna happen. Did you hear any
Speaker 1: whispers about it or anything? You have any ideals coming? No,
Speaker 1: I could have dead it it though. What are your
Speaker 1: thoughts when they brought it to you? I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't dick ride nothing like that. You know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying that it's not form of transporation. But but I
Speaker 1: got the il kicker. If they do trade me, they're
Speaker 1: gonna pay me. Then I get go back as a Laker.
Speaker 1: But stop there. But why that's more significant to me
Speaker 1: because I was a Clipper for those couple of years,
Speaker 1: so I know what it is to be a Laker. Me,
Speaker 1: I go back, I'll be cha and I get to
Speaker 1: play with me. As a no brainer for me, I
Speaker 1: took the executive decision. You're coming to Johan cob In
Speaker 1: l a dr Buss, Jennie Mitch rest in peace in
Speaker 1: a good way, Genie Pops in an amazing way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what was the difference? Like you mentioned, you touched on it,
Speaker 1: but so you saw at the time the clippers weren't good.
Speaker 1: You mean you came into a door, did we? Did you?
Speaker 1: I mean I remember I got there? No three were
Speaker 1: you guys practiced south by Southwest? Back then you have
Speaker 1: to keep the back doors open so no one breaking in.
Speaker 1: And now we practiced that at the Southwest Junia College, right,
Speaker 1: no shot, nasty showers. You had to keep the doors.
Speaker 1: I would never take a shot because motherfucker's is stealing
Speaker 1: breaking windows. This is the n b A. I wish
Speaker 1: I would have been around a dude like who had
Speaker 1: practice habits like Kobe early on. I'm thinking about all
Speaker 1: the times pulling up the Southwest ten o'clock practice, coming
Speaker 1: in nine thirty like a bump, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: There was no examples though, nah m, but touch on
Speaker 1: that like seeing I mean, I'm sure you've seen it.
Speaker 1: Right away. You got a chance play with him. I
Speaker 1: came and play with you guys. What it was like
Speaker 1: just being with him? And seeing him. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it was his whole ship is different. I'll be here
Speaker 1: and dudes say his name, but like you ain't. Really
Speaker 1: he was trying to be perfect on the court all
Speaker 1: the time, even doing this like his little shooting routine
Speaker 1: or whatever. You know what I'm saying. Even if his footwork,
Speaker 1: even if he's getting shot, she's doing in a certain
Speaker 1: way where he just trying to be the best to
Speaker 1: get better at it. You know, it's work effic in
Speaker 1: the morning, man, he was like it was a thug
Speaker 1: at tending the morning. He was gonna it was banging
Speaker 1: on breathits man, for real, like my man, constant, take
Speaker 1: it easy. There was no such thing though. It was
Speaker 1: all full steam of head. Phil Jackson comes in, oh six,
Speaker 1: what's that experience? Like, I'm sure you never had nobody
Speaker 1: like him? Yeah, I mean that that change. Um. I
Speaker 1: think it's probably the way I looked at the game,
Speaker 1: you know, really, not from the from the physical aspect um,
Speaker 1: from the mental aspect, the mental approach. Um. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, we used to meditate together, and so if
Speaker 1: you know anything about meditation, that's like prayer in a sense.
Speaker 1: So really we like we all praying together unreligious, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So that's gonna build the extra um.
Speaker 1: Bond gives his books to read according to your personality
Speaker 1: and who you are. How do you want to affect
Speaker 1: your life? Mhm, that's crazy to have read enough books
Speaker 1: to be able to have something for you to understand
Speaker 1: people that much stuff? Right? Question? How driven was cold?
Speaker 1: And how did that? I did that rub off on you?
Speaker 1: I learned from this dude just about even just broom
Speaker 1: just watching them, man, you know he said he was
Speaker 1: better than Mike. I know he did. He thought it.
Speaker 1: He thought it. You can tell them he thought that one.
Speaker 1: I said, what, But you gotta understand his drive. It
Speaker 1: ain't too many dudes that played in the NBA that's black, yo,
Speaker 1: and that really mean it and they heart like that
Speaker 1: is growing up right now, like I'm gonna be better
Speaker 1: than Lebron Jamee. And that's where he chased his whole
Speaker 1: life was to be just as good or mentioned with
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's remember saying I need to get six. I
Speaker 1: want to be able to sit the same table with Mike's.
Speaker 1: His whole frame of mind, his whole He had sixty
Speaker 1: three and Dallas had sixty one. In the third quarter.
Speaker 1: Cos you know how NBA practices, word of mother, he
Speaker 1: hit like ten fifteen straight in the practice. You know,
Speaker 1: they know to play. He still can't do that idea.
Speaker 1: You guys are able to pick up pal in two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight. That changed everything. He was ready to
Speaker 1: bang after that. Yeah, you got to go to the
Speaker 1: finals that year and kind of become a part of
Speaker 1: that historical of the two greatest franchises ever to play
Speaker 1: rivalry between the South. I don't really think people understand
Speaker 1: how good power it's probably presurely people that called him
Speaker 1: playing at the end of his career he's like something
Speaker 1: else because he played the point guard from the center position.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Film saying, so, okay, you know, penetration start
Speaker 1: from getting the ball in the post, right, That's the
Speaker 1: deepest penetration you can get. So now you've got somebody
Speaker 1: that got the point guard mentality that's close to the
Speaker 1: basket but still has everything to score it though it's
Speaker 1: open everything up left right crazy, and you know, the
Speaker 1: triangle is probably the most intricate offense ever. I would
Speaker 1: say he came the first day like he knew it,
Speaker 1: like he was what he was watching. Film on it.
Speaker 1: We have we played against the Nets when we took off.
Speaker 1: From that point on, he had rock star too. He
Speaker 1: went to Spain. He had it rocking. Remember that trip. Hey, well,
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is like a big time slooper stuff.
Speaker 1: Well we got Kobe and this dude. But the whole
Speaker 1: Laker experience was like unbelievable, tough for the Celtics to
Speaker 1: compete against. I should They have poor pears Garden there
Speaker 1: and rail and they had a good coach, but they
Speaker 1: were they were like they were had toughness to that
Speaker 1: big baby bass forward player Alan Kidd from Chicago, Right, yeah,
Speaker 1: they were. And and then there's the and then there's
Speaker 1: with the Lakers. So you always got that beef. You
Speaker 1: don't even might not even know basketball. What you know,
Speaker 1: Lakers got beef with the Celtics. Well you know you're
Speaker 1: gonna get the best game first time. They beat our
Speaker 1: ass though, and Boston fans so wild and crazy they
Speaker 1: beat us. They beat us by like forty They don't
Speaker 1: even let our bus leave. They're shaking the bus after
Speaker 1: they were after they beat our ass, Like what happened?
Speaker 1: If we're the one What did y'all learn from that? Though?
Speaker 1: That experienced that, that oh eight loss, because y'all went
Speaker 1: on to win two in a row after that, Oh
Speaker 1: hope that that was the hardest loss you ever had.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, I think I think that's why I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stay around Kobe a little bit more. He staying,
Speaker 1: I'm a staying you know what I mean, I'm really like,
Speaker 1: really like really followed this this dude all the way
Speaker 1: through and see where it takes us. And I think
Speaker 1: that's the year I decided to come off the bench.
Speaker 1: How tough was that though, because you've been a was
Speaker 1: tough because it was I supposed they supposed to pay me.
Speaker 1: But everything worked out. I wanted up, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: saying Mariam shorty and all that. So everything worked out.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get to that part. But so back to
Speaker 1: back championships. You get a chance to see them again
Speaker 1: in ten after what they did y'all eight. How vindicating
Speaker 1: was that and then also being able to pick your
Speaker 1: brother up and do with what Yeah, I think that's
Speaker 1: why it was big for us to get them. Um.
Speaker 1: I remember, oh yeah, we run it. We won it
Speaker 1: that year with Trav and then I remember that summer
Speaker 1: he's a free agent. I remember speaking of I don't
Speaker 1: know where I bumped in the round or or shoot
Speaker 1: him something. We're out. It was like, yo, if you can,
Speaker 1: you should come with us. He m, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like me, the three come get one? And
Speaker 1: then you know I already knew with him and Kobe
Speaker 1: on the same team, it's a lot. It's trouble for
Speaker 1: the league. It's a lot of alpha male ntil long,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Because they went at it
Speaker 1: um when he was on Houston that one day in
Speaker 1: the playoffs. They took us to seven games. So I
Speaker 1: already knew he was gonna have a big just mentally
Speaker 1: because it ain't two dudes on the team. I got
Speaker 1: two dudes like Steve Jackson, two dudes like Matt Bonds
Speaker 1: and like Stephen jack You know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: at the two and three, so who they're gonna Who's
Speaker 1: gonna really control them? But it all worked out, man, wrong, wrong,
Speaker 1: got one with us when we have something, went on
Speaker 1: the biggest stage together. Why not win the That's a
Speaker 1: my whole movie. Man, how much did you embrace the
Speaker 1: six man row? It's different now I'm gonna but that's again,
Speaker 1: that's being maybe like you help me do back. You
Speaker 1: didn't want to, though, He no, so because I know
Speaker 1: what I know what I know that what it starts
Speaker 1: is like even if I average thirty every team, Now
Speaker 1: did I go to If I'm not with the leggers,
Speaker 1: they're gonna try to bring me off the bench. He
Speaker 1: looked at the big picture, you know, so listen to
Speaker 1: big Bro, Big get the chick. That's thing Bro, two
Speaker 1: thousand ten. Um, I get a chance to join you guys.
Speaker 1: That's a team. We're going for a three peeple. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I just got worse. I think that was a year one.
Speaker 1: That was your six man year. Wasn't it a game being? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we got to have a spot. Come out the best.
Speaker 1: I always like what you do? Do it be the
Speaker 1: best m reality TV? The best reality TV show? I
Speaker 1: went there, y'all got it? Do it be great? Period?
Speaker 1: You know his ship Joe, just do it be on
Speaker 1: the free throw line, nigger, just make it. That's simple.
Speaker 1: I gotta I want to award. While I was filming
Speaker 1: a reality TV show in the NBA, they ain't gonna
Speaker 1: ever be done again. And but the only thing places
Speaker 1: could be done isn't in l A. You got to
Speaker 1: do it with organizations that open minded to do something
Speaker 1: like that. You're on the biggest stage, You're winning championships
Speaker 1: with the greatest franchise in the history, and then you
Speaker 1: link up I'm Black Royal to you. Now you think
Speaker 1: up the car that's like, I'm gonna be honest with you,
Speaker 1: my guy. Yeah, I mean I got married in thirty days. Man,
Speaker 1: I love that woman. I loved her. If I could
Speaker 1: have a a talk with year old of older, we
Speaker 1: probably shot the family fight like what the like, what
Speaker 1: are you doing? Cause I was like I was thinking,
Speaker 1: like I was unstoppable. We all did you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying? I got a wife that and her world
Speaker 1: is probably just as popular as me. The extra bag.
Speaker 1: Koe Kardashian brought me a fan of Game seven. I
Speaker 1: woke up to my kids and drop top Fanom that
Speaker 1: was the drophead though. That wasn't that, That wasn't the Dawn,
Speaker 1: the two hundred and fifty. That was the five, That
Speaker 1: was the one that was half a man, the big Boy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had one too, that was the half of man.
Speaker 1: But tell me, I mean you like I said, it,
Speaker 1: doesn't it doesn't get bigger than the Lakers. No, I don't,
Speaker 1: and they don't. You almost like you said, you met
Speaker 1: your match extra, you know what I mean. So that's
Speaker 1: that's what I was going to get to that what
Speaker 1: kind of different light and atmosphere did that branding put
Speaker 1: you in? That was an incredible enormous like obviously, like
Speaker 1: I was only a New York nig could be handled
Speaker 1: that no offense to some people from anywhere else because
Speaker 1: you have only you have to be a star four
Speaker 1: he was a star to understand that type of like
Speaker 1: that that you're getting, because I mean, obviously I didn't
Speaker 1: even know how to handle it. You smell or handled
Speaker 1: it wrong some sense. I'm not married to anymore. Was
Speaker 1: it hard to just never be able to turn it off? Though?
Speaker 1: Like you on ESPN and tnt WI, you're with the
Speaker 1: Lakers and then you go across and you're on the
Speaker 1: biggest reality show ever. Not never really real I'm a
Speaker 1: real one, I think at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: I'm a realist. So I knew when to be Lammy
Speaker 1: and I knew when to be number seven, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Was there a difference? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I would say I think I'm seven a little harder. Um,
Speaker 1: i'nna be honest with you, like one of the best
Speaker 1: times of my life, though you had a lot of mishap.
Speaker 1: I remember the attempted trade to Dallas and then it
Speaker 1: ends up being a trade to Charlotte. Charlotte first, what
Speaker 1: was that like? Because you were completely bother I was
Speaker 1: disappointed at the end of the day. You know, I
Speaker 1: was having talks from my agent at that time, I remember,
Speaker 1: and he was reminded me how I helped build his
Speaker 1: um company, which Excel Sports Jeff Schwartz. He's like, you know,
Speaker 1: if anybody know about the business is you. You know,
Speaker 1: you know what ain't other personal. I don't take your personal.
Speaker 1: It's the way to bounce. But I mean I was
Speaker 1: you can't. But you know, when you put in your
Speaker 1: heart and take a pay cut to come off the bench.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, that you're gonna trade me,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm gonna take a personally. But that was
Speaker 1: supposed to be the Chris Paul trade. They got vetoed
Speaker 1: by then. I wonder why they Why did the NBA
Speaker 1: that that trade Lake It's gonna be too powerful with
Speaker 1: Chris BA m one of the great mysteries. Yeah, what happened?
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. See, it was funny because we talked to
Speaker 1: Webb earlier about the situation where he had a no
Speaker 1: trade claws and he ended up saying, fuck it. If
Speaker 1: you don't want me, I'm gone, Like he said, that
Speaker 1: ship really hurt him and ended up going to Philly.
Speaker 1: It sounds like a similar situation, you like, they try
Speaker 1: to get you in that situation, doesn't work. But then
Speaker 1: it's almost like the bridges burned at that point. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it ain't traded me to That's like it was just
Speaker 1: the timing with the Dallas trade. That summer has seen
Speaker 1: some real wild crazy ship and give you a brief
Speaker 1: a little synapsis. So my cousin get shot in the head,
Speaker 1: all right, So he gets shot in the head, fly
Speaker 1: to New York or go see him. He's sitting there,
Speaker 1: eyes right on the back of his head's brain. Dad.
Speaker 1: Whenever I'm sitting there and talking to him, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: suck up. So I get in the car, go get
Speaker 1: a haircut. Okay, gets the haircut. I gets in the car.
Speaker 1: The driver must know somebody I know. He hands me
Speaker 1: the phone. Hell them on what's they want to talk
Speaker 1: to you? And that split second, a dude on a motorcycle,
Speaker 1: he hits a dude on a motorcycle. Boom, the motorcycle
Speaker 1: flips over here hits the kid that's standing in the street.
Speaker 1: I woke up over to the kid. Now, meanwhile, I
Speaker 1: remember I just told you. I just came from the house,
Speaker 1: was seeing my cousin. He's brain dead. I walk over
Speaker 1: see the kid. I said, Oh, Ship's dead. He's dead.
Speaker 1: Called Chloe like, oh Chloe, She's like, man, I just
Speaker 1: go back in the cars, go by in the car.
Speaker 1: Uh So the Dallas Trade Mark Human, I kind of
Speaker 1: like let him know where my head was. Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: not really getting a little older, Like this is what
Speaker 1: I've been going through this summer. You know, my head
Speaker 1: is all funked up. And then he's like, hell, this
Speaker 1: is that now you were doing to talk about data?
Speaker 1: So he like died them or whatever. Uh So I
Speaker 1: get that there I'm playing like ship who getting on
Speaker 1: me in the worst way about this ship Mark Kiman.
Speaker 1: I'm like, like, I kind of told I told you
Speaker 1: where my head was, you know what I'm saying. Then
Speaker 1: we had then we whatever, man that ship was just
Speaker 1: a real crazy situation. Man. Then I'm playing in Memphis
Speaker 1: stinking it up again. He kicks me and my shin
Speaker 1: and gets trying to get my attention to play better
Speaker 1: and all that. I kind of lose it, like, yo,
Speaker 1: give me the funk out there. You know, no man
Speaker 1: gonna put your feet on me. First of all, I
Speaker 1: don't care how many builders. This is postgame, No, this
Speaker 1: is during the game time kicks you like, like, come
Speaker 1: on them all. Like, I'm like, Vince Carter wasn't there
Speaker 1: out to beat his ass, so didn't know he was
Speaker 1: there wrong. M hm, put your feet on a young
Speaker 1: black man, Why don't you don't do that? But to
Speaker 1: his defense, I mean I was thinking it up extra right.
Speaker 1: That probably could have been my worst standing basketball and
Speaker 1: my NBA career. And I'm sorry Mark Cuban for taking
Speaker 1: your money, but you was just as wrong to kick
Speaker 1: for putting your feet on me as wrong as I
Speaker 1: was playing. For real, that situation ends. You hit up,
Speaker 1: you know, downs off the court, end up getting or
Speaker 1: Chloe ens up filing for a divorce in thirteen, where's
Speaker 1: your head out? Obviously, the off the court issues are
Speaker 1: starting to really weigh on you. Yeah, that's the drugs though.
Speaker 1: Talk to us about that because drugs. You first of all,
Speaker 1: you're you're shameful when you do drugs, and you know,
Speaker 1: and living in shame, you just put yourself in your
Speaker 1: at least to bad decision making, shame and anxiety and
Speaker 1: um yeah. And then you know, she's telling me she
Speaker 1: wanted divorce, and of course I got a divorce if
Speaker 1: she wanted, right, Um, then I give you something else,
Speaker 1: something good though too. So then I went to that
Speaker 1: remember the day sign a paper with the divorce. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm don't fulfill this fantasy I always got.
Speaker 1: I always see this money man ship on HBO. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go pop up on now Cole. How do people
Speaker 1: come get me? Now? Meanwhile, I'm telling you all this.
Speaker 1: I ain't really tell a lot of people this, but
Speaker 1: I'm telling y'all this. I ain't do drugs that day.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I don't know a lot
Speaker 1: of my memories, a lot of fried whatever from twelve shows,
Speaker 1: six heart attacks and all that that I had when
Speaker 1: I was down, But that day I didn't do drugs,
Speaker 1: all right, get to the Bunny ran ship whatever I
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna act out Boom Dick's hard all that
Speaker 1: I pop pass out and mother wrote, mother ain't do
Speaker 1: drugs that there. I'm getting real with you. I wish
Speaker 1: they would let me know what the funk they gave me,
Speaker 1: because that had to be some good ship, because that
Speaker 1: ship had me put out that should three days, I've
Speaker 1: had twelve strokes and six heart attacks from something they
Speaker 1: gave you there, Hell yeah, damn whatever it was. My
Speaker 1: guy just a super like whatever it was, whatever that
Speaker 1: stuck me with. How they put that ship in me,
Speaker 1: how they did it. But your mentor, so your mentor
Speaker 1: was just you were so there was so much going on.
Speaker 1: You were just lost kind of just get away. I
Speaker 1: lost my wife. You know what I'm saying. I would
Speaker 1: like you know I was just a Kardashian so I'm
Speaker 1: the queens, right, So I'm a black Kardashians. I'm a king, right,
Speaker 1: got took off my throne from my actions on some bullshit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, but lesson learn you talk about that day
Speaker 1: and all the after effects. You said, what twelve strokes,
Speaker 1: six heart attacks? When did you kind of start when
Speaker 1: you woke up from that? What's your what's your thought process. First,
Speaker 1: how I get here? That first thing you said, how
Speaker 1: I give my nigga? I was down down. If I go,
Speaker 1: I was down, Like go say your final goodbye to
Speaker 1: them are older. They told my family. I was all
Speaker 1: the way. And if we go to um see the
Speaker 1: sign right now, it's like if I go there, it's
Speaker 1: like a party because you made it. Because if that
Speaker 1: man is walking, I was all the way. Then when
Speaker 1: I walk up, I couldn't walk. All talk now, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, we big strong athletes, we sit here cheat
Speaker 1: the ship. We're talking like it's nothing. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I couldn't walk. Yeah, it's like all talk.
Speaker 1: I couldn't know verberts can come out of my mouth
Speaker 1: from man. But I'm gonna keep it real, tr I
Speaker 1: never really um question God or or lost any faith.
Speaker 1: M hmm, not one time. Not one time. And even
Speaker 1: like you would have to beat me down physically and
Speaker 1: to the question my faith and God like take me
Speaker 1: like you take everything from me. You don't look like
Speaker 1: what you've been through, you still look good, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Yeah, but you know it's so crazy
Speaker 1: because something like people be on the street, you know, whatever,
Speaker 1: I might be recognizable and like that, like yo, lord
Speaker 1: looks so good, Like I almost get like lightweight offend it,
Speaker 1: like yeah, like the expect me to look like a
Speaker 1: lot of people on the outside like they wasn't there,
Speaker 1: but we even us from being afar not being able
Speaker 1: to because you know, in my mind, I wanted to
Speaker 1: be at the hospital to check. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You know how many you rock but around the world,
Speaker 1: we might wasn't there, but we know what you've been through.
Speaker 1: And to see you look like Lamar that I've seen
Speaker 1: in the NBA as a rookie, you look the same.
Speaker 1: For you to come up I come up out of
Speaker 1: all that and to look like you ain't went through
Speaker 1: none of that ship, bro, You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: It's motivation to a lot of people, whether you know
Speaker 1: it or not, you know what I'm saying, because a
Speaker 1: lot of people don't come up by that ship. Bro,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, A lot of people don't
Speaker 1: come up by that. So for you to be able
Speaker 1: to stand like you're standing as strong as you are
Speaker 1: right now, you know what I'm saying. That dealing with
Speaker 1: everything and being to dude, with the strong brother that
Speaker 1: we know. We gotta salute you for that, bro, because
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people wouldn't have made it,
Speaker 1: even if I don't really even express it verbally or
Speaker 1: or actually say it. You know what I'm saying. God
Speaker 1: knows where my heart is at, right, That's all that matters.
Speaker 1: So he know, actually know him Like this is like
Speaker 1: beyond grateful. It's just to be living. That's real. Rat.
Speaker 1: What was that recovery process? Like, I mean, we've been
Speaker 1: through divorces, but I'm saying, like I said, on top
Speaker 1: of that, you're still dealing with an ailing heart and
Speaker 1: then you've got all these Now you've got new medical conditions.
Speaker 1: Now you're just kind of happy to be alive. But still,
Speaker 1: like you said, the grind was real Tony training camps
Speaker 1: and you feel what I'm saying, um, but just always
Speaker 1: knowing that, like I know I'm gonna be able to
Speaker 1: walk again, and I know I'm gonna be able to
Speaker 1: talk again. You're like, you know what I mean, I
Speaker 1: think I couldn't hold my bowels, man, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. I'm the more older I'm gonna see this,
Speaker 1: see the sign in the hospital and these nurses has
Speaker 1: changed me every day and they know who the funk
Speaker 1: I am and who the likes is extra humbling, real rat,
Speaker 1: extra humbling come into that. And then this is even
Speaker 1: before I even really expressed that I didn't do drugs
Speaker 1: that day. So really the humility is that everybody thinking
Speaker 1: that I put this on myself, and I know that's
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why he ain't take me because
Speaker 1: that on my back, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: it's just extra humbling experience. So I mean, so like
Speaker 1: nothing else could get me more damn in that situation.
Speaker 1: No money, you know, bitch, You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: How fly you think you are? Whatever? I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: through anything and everything. You spoke on run artests, showtime, documented,
Speaker 1: cried storm, and you spoke to mental health. Mental health.
Speaker 1: Mental health is where it's at right now. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to close this deal with this company called PHM. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you heard a clubhouse at the clubhouse,
Speaker 1: trying to get my own room and clubhouse to support
Speaker 1: the whole mental health, especially you know, during the um
Speaker 1: COVID pandemic, and I know a lot of people probably
Speaker 1: been taking easy way out. Sniff some blow crack whatever
Speaker 1: pales OPI or you know what I mean, I sayin't
Speaker 1: really the way to go. What do you do when
Speaker 1: you do? What do you do when you have urges
Speaker 1: like that? I'm gonna be honest with you. That's how
Speaker 1: I know I'm saved for real, because I don't even
Speaker 1: even think about getting high. First of all, I'll probably
Speaker 1: get sick and won't even be enjoyed. Um. You touched
Speaker 1: on mental health and how that's never been something that's
Speaker 1: black man. We discussed it. It's a sign of weak.
Speaker 1: We always think it's like it's cool for I'll do
Speaker 1: to be a little crazy, yeah, or just off. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. He might need help, but it's
Speaker 1: very important that we do. We can't be helping him
Speaker 1: block us up. You know they're gonna do that anyway.
Speaker 1: Real right, you lost obviously your mom at a young age.
Speaker 1: Um dad dealing with what he did with dealing with
Speaker 1: what he dealt with. He recently made the social media
Speaker 1: post um rewatching a Kardashian marathon and kind of think
Speaker 1: because you felt like, you know, that really surrounded you
Speaker 1: with a lot of love that seemed like it've been
Speaker 1: missing for you know, what I'm saying. It always wants family,
Speaker 1: always family, right right. I get emotions some times too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I lost my son, man, you know, life is just
Speaker 1: I never would think too much of myself. Man. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying that she could be taken from
Speaker 1: you instantly, But it also shows after everything, you're here
Speaker 1: for a real reason in fact. Yeah, and you know what,
Speaker 1: I will be honest with you, I kind of like
Speaker 1: really trying to just like I think that's like what
Speaker 1: I'm trying to, like still like find out what's that reason?
Speaker 1: Is it? To get myself all the way back on completely?
Speaker 1: It is the help of a combination I think both.
Speaker 1: I think this is the human side of athletes that
Speaker 1: people don't really see and we don't even realize, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, we go through stuff on the highest level
Speaker 1: with money and fame and this, but it's also we're
Speaker 1: going through real world issues. So you're doing and going
Speaker 1: through ship that other people have been through. Yeah, people
Speaker 1: think fame and money, race, No, hell no, I don't
Speaker 1: understand the additions. The magnifies that the ash What was
Speaker 1: your last conversation with Kobe you remember before I'm gonna
Speaker 1: keep it all the way buckles. I had, um, I've
Speaker 1: been gambling what I'm saying, and they had old had
Speaker 1: kind of got like a little too steep where I
Speaker 1: was at that time, it was getting tight, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And if you're in a bad situation,
Speaker 1: especially about some money, he ain't the one that you're
Speaker 1: gonna want to call, you know, if if you maybe
Speaker 1: if you have a way to work off the money,
Speaker 1: or you know what I'm saying, or you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, or just the whole something. I think you
Speaker 1: ain't going one ain't going One time a cab it
Speaker 1: up to strength. I put my pride to the side,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and can call. He was like,
Speaker 1: you know after he went in he went in on
Speaker 1: you first lightweight, He was just like, how your people
Speaker 1: call my out people and then figure it out. Now
Speaker 1: that that was That was one before the last time
Speaker 1: I spoke to him. Last time I spoke to him,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know exactly whatever was out, but
Speaker 1: it was just about being great. I think I think
Speaker 1: he might have been telling me about the body of
Speaker 1: my deta. He just did mhm, and just about being great.
Speaker 1: Obviously gone much too soon. You made a very touching.
Speaker 1: I g post about him about what he meant to
Speaker 1: you and the time you guys shared can you can you?
Speaker 1: Can you touch me? I learned something. I learned so
Speaker 1: much about so much from him man off the court,
Speaker 1: or just from just about being a fly on the wall.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying, watching how somebody carried it, so you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And extreme pressure situations on the court.
Speaker 1: Remember them photos that he did in all white, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and everybody was killing him for it. M h. We
Speaker 1: played in Utah, the whole craw having pictures. There are
Speaker 1: pictures of them, every single seat in that crowd. Why
Speaker 1: did they do that having pictures? He still go out there, sir.
Speaker 1: Some people don't you talking? Let me tell something. They listen.
Speaker 1: They had a blow up doll and the blow up
Speaker 1: dog had a French Maid outfit on and had a
Speaker 1: sign around his neck that said no means no wow.
Speaker 1: That's how they do when you talk. I like the crowd,
Speaker 1: but some mean old yeah I can. I'm not. I'm
Speaker 1: into the spirit of competition. I'm into that. But it
Speaker 1: was like your hold up, hold up. They threw a
Speaker 1: bunch of ticket at us that we believe team they
Speaker 1: was nigging this, nigged that bunch of white. But I'm
Speaker 1: just like, huh, get that out of here. They had
Speaker 1: a cardboard cut out of me and the jail uniform
Speaker 1: because I just got a trouble life size right under
Speaker 1: the basket. They don't play life size. The sixth at
Speaker 1: Carboral cut out me in the life that you know,
Speaker 1: it was the uniform in life. They was in that
Speaker 1: jail down before Jack not with the with the pen
Speaker 1: stripe Joe, before he got the new teeth too up ship,
Speaker 1: that's ban. Yeah, they're crazy in Utah. Man, just crazy
Speaker 1: how life come at you fast? Who knows? Man, you know,
Speaker 1: I missed being though Dah, me too. I'm missed having
Speaker 1: a person that you know what I mean? He was
Speaker 1: had a ship together, didn't he. I just came not
Speaker 1: hear his name and not get not you know, get emotion,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's hard. But what he
Speaker 1: meant to us Man's like, Man, I was, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't really, I don't cry as much as I should.
Speaker 1: I do ship, But that's an easy way for me
Speaker 1: to get crying. Like you know what I'm saying to
Speaker 1: go there, because I mean, can you know how you die,
Speaker 1: which might get killed. It was a little different and
Speaker 1: being sick or totally different. We got a chance. You know,
Speaker 1: we did one of his last interviews, and before we
Speaker 1: actually interviewed him, you know, we was doing our thing here,
Speaker 1: but we was at his office and he was just
Speaker 1: so adamant on this next chapter of life, this next
Speaker 1: twenty of kind of shedding the image of who he
Speaker 1: was as a great basketball player, but stepping into now.
Speaker 1: You know, he like when I say he had a
Speaker 1: ship together, I'm not just saying like he had like
Speaker 1: he just he knew what he wanted to do. That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. All times. Well, he he told me
Speaker 1: he was going to be greater in this next twenty
Speaker 1: than he was in his past. And I'm just like,
Speaker 1: how but he was dead set on being great and whatever.
Speaker 1: We could have been an ill coach. And you see
Speaker 1: how Elly had his daughter, See how really got Kyrie
Speaker 1: Tatum all his little disciples. They're all killing mit. Youll
Speaker 1: it's just like he's not with it. Michael Jong probably
Speaker 1: would have never told him his secrets. How did you
Speaker 1: get into boxing? Pay day? I used to do, but
Speaker 1: now I used to not. I used to you used
Speaker 1: to box though a little bit. Yeah, I trained and
Speaker 1: when I played for the Lake is my best playing days.
Speaker 1: I used it as as training. I just noticed my
Speaker 1: my hand I got so much quicker. Um. Your disposition
Speaker 1: as a man changes too, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: When you box, like a little bit more convertational, take
Speaker 1: less ship. Motherfucker can't talk to you and kind of
Speaker 1: you know, everything happened in my life for a reason.
Speaker 1: It's probably have at forty one, it's good for me
Speaker 1: to pick up boxing. I wouldn't even mind investing in
Speaker 1: them a little boxing gym now, just because it's a
Speaker 1: great way to stay in shape. Yeah, I got on,
Speaker 1: I got some I do sometimes I gotta bag in
Speaker 1: my crab for real. It's a good way. Like you know,
Speaker 1: it's a great cardio workout. Yeah. Like then you sharpening
Speaker 1: all the tools you just may need you hope you
Speaker 1: don't need. You know that how you trained you you
Speaker 1: whole jip you know. Yeah, I think let anybody went
Speaker 1: for GI your man space. It's about of discipline, So
Speaker 1: teach you at a discipline, breathing and all that, all
Speaker 1: that stuff. Yeah, meditation, I'm looking forward to seeing you squabble. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be quick. I might play with what
Speaker 1: you want me to. Just play with them. It's only
Speaker 1: three rounds. Yeah, just jabbing, just jabbing, Yeah, just his face.
Speaker 1: Come on, jab jab jack boom right, jab jab jack Right.
Speaker 1: I told you they the folks wanted me to box you.
Speaker 1: They hit me up like, hey, we got the more
Speaker 1: would you box tomorrow that next one? I wouldn't. I won't.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't watch that because you know, I am like,
Speaker 1: you can probably do that next one. Somebody out with
Speaker 1: trying to hurt you. Yeah, that was like the only
Speaker 1: three rounds. You got the head gear, we can knock
Speaker 1: you shop out boom ready. They hit me up, and
Speaker 1: I'm just like, now I can't box my man. I
Speaker 1: was the same thing, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: I can't box someone I funk with. No know it's
Speaker 1: supposed to, but you know what I think it's it's
Speaker 1: an opportunity for me just to promote the ce celebrity
Speaker 1: box and get more maybe as a leagues or the
Speaker 1: celebrities that want to box. Yeah, they said I heard
Speaker 1: maybe rappers. That's beef from you got you got the
Speaker 1: demeaning for us, and I ain't got the demeaning. I
Speaker 1: got the plug. Yeah, and you said, uh a little
Speaker 1: redemption for Nate, Yeah, shout out Nate, my little a
Speaker 1: little bro homie. Yeah, I ain't really you remember how
Speaker 1: you Okay, I remember how you said on that when
Speaker 1: you said drink chance and sit too good with you?
Speaker 1: When I watched that Logan Paul and I'm joint. I've
Speaker 1: not infested this boxing ship because I said, Yo, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna use my boxing skills and fight Logan Paul. Real. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I manifested all of this. You believe him in
Speaker 1: the fication right, yeah, no question? Choking up, choking up,
Speaker 1: speaking and um real Rat, I was like, I gotta
Speaker 1: do something Nick, because they ain't really I said the
Speaker 1: same thing he was. I said the same thing that
Speaker 1: I gotta. I gotta go punch on Jake because our
Speaker 1: box to me and I'll go to the same place
Speaker 1: in l A. Nice. He is nice and he ain't.
Speaker 1: No little dude, Me and Al go to the same
Speaker 1: place in l A though. Yeah. Cound of pound Yeah yeah, real, Rat,
Speaker 1: I seen his picture there. Yeah you're no, I ain't
Speaker 1: a little but she I one of them to do that.
Speaker 1: In boxing the way that I think a body titlan.
Speaker 1: He gotta be chucked because it's cool and all that.
Speaker 1: You're hard to wear him. Damn. You know he'll be here.
Speaker 1: You know it would be Ellen boxing too though too, though,
Speaker 1: will be Ill boxing to very iron though I don't
Speaker 1: think Ron might bite you. Ron ain't saying enough to
Speaker 1: protect himself. And you knock him out, you gotta watch
Speaker 1: out for the rest of your life too, because you
Speaker 1: don't come find you, you don't come back. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm talking with me right, I'm gonna be I could
Speaker 1: win the fight if I look in the mirror after
Speaker 1: the fight and I see a little bust. I want
Speaker 1: more action. I still want action. So I'm not desp
Speaker 1: enough to be a box I want action at all.
Speaker 1: I used to play Aaron mckeees to. I used to
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be ill fighting. He's like, you got too
Speaker 1: much fatty tissing on your face, Dope, we're coming down
Speaker 1: to the end. We got some quick hitters. First thing
Speaker 1: to come to mind, um go with uh toughest to
Speaker 1: guard during your career? Why, Tracy McGrady, you know everybody lives.
Speaker 1: I don't think he gets que setting me up for that.
Speaker 1: Q did tell me about QUE setting me up for that.
Speaker 1: He said about because I guess the Q knew the
Speaker 1: history of us, me and m Grady battling in the
Speaker 1: high school. Ah So before the game, Q like, no,
Speaker 1: I jump ball. Q like, yeah, you're about the shoulder.
Speaker 1: Who who is this? But the show is that who
Speaker 1: the best? Right now? Right now? You know? T Man,
Speaker 1: he just like no salant. You see the face. He's
Speaker 1: just like he gave me like forty four. And I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be honest with you. I'm gonna say, like thirty
Speaker 1: five and them probably was on me, even though like
Speaker 1: I had like a real good stat line and I
Speaker 1: think we won the game, if I'm not mistaken, had
Speaker 1: a real good stat line like seventeen nineteen twelve eight,
Speaker 1: something like that. But I'm gonna say, like thirty five
Speaker 1: of them shipters on me, like because he was he
Speaker 1: had my package, but he just had the athleticism top
Speaker 1: it off. You can handle that thing shooting, but he
Speaker 1: just we go over you. He will go over the
Speaker 1: six eight take off, go over you seeing him do it.
Speaker 1: Then the dirt you know, he's shooting over the back
Speaker 1: of his head and got the wet ball guard that
Speaker 1: I ain't never really played against a body. And you
Speaker 1: know I ain't puss from the court. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I ain't gonna back down nothing, probably, but
Speaker 1: he's just that his motor. Yeah, his motor is enough
Speaker 1: to intimidate you if you you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: if you watching him layup line dunking it, yeo. I
Speaker 1: mean he's playing against going net need de MANQ. You know, Um,
Speaker 1: that's the mouns idle Kevin. So we never played against
Speaker 1: Kevin Garnet the mounds showing up and Demail coming out
Speaker 1: talking and going that like these things out here, don't
Speaker 1: get this ship. My Diket is getting hard. Diket is
Speaker 1: getting hard. But I'm sick going that the whiskey and andigrady.
Speaker 1: But I ain't never seen no white play hard like
Speaker 1: k G. Yeah, he was animal. You plus four going
Speaker 1: to the black top? You plus four going to the
Speaker 1: black top to get a dove. Who are you taking
Speaker 1: with you? Anybody? Four players? Whole boys from the from
Speaker 1: around the way. M hmm, you plus four. It don't matter,
Speaker 1: like you don't gotta go positions basketball. We're going to
Speaker 1: whopa pass you're taking with you to the you might
Speaker 1: have to fight hunting racks on the line. What what
Speaker 1: fo are you taking with you to the rucker to
Speaker 1: get this dog? One game four four plus four you
Speaker 1: and your five ye me y'all too, and give us
Speaker 1: a point guard. Just one game me y'all two and
Speaker 1: God bless his dad being. I know, ain't gonna lose
Speaker 1: nobody nothing losing, no fight. No, ain't no nothing, no nothing.
Speaker 1: We're gonna defeated that not team, no team. That's that's
Speaker 1: the best gym. And I heard that question your top
Speaker 1: five rappers right now? Period? I wanted your top five periods,
Speaker 1: just ever, your top five rappers New York, a whole list.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be bias. I'm from Texas, So what's yours?
Speaker 1: It's big and I don't want to hear somebody get
Speaker 1: and just go in. Yeah, I go j You're big
Speaker 1: pun pun was dope. I don't think Big Airl was
Speaker 1: nicest Punka pun Ja, big Big Jay, the Kiss, Nas, Yes,
Speaker 1: solid right there. You can't beat that. Nas gets busy,
Speaker 1: super busy. But did he just wanted his first grandmar
Speaker 1: didn't he did? Here for keys disease. That's his first
Speaker 1: grandmy shout out here, boy, I'm not mistaken. Who did
Speaker 1: you have in your pregame rotation? Three songs from some
Speaker 1: something you used to listen to before a game? Sometimes
Speaker 1: it's so crazy because sometimes I listened to a slow gym. Ye.
Speaker 1: I ain't have to listen to no motherfuckers. I'm already
Speaker 1: stupid en. I ain't even listening to nothing, crazy kid
Speaker 1: push out of need that I'm something to jail. So
Speaker 1: my best day was nay. Sometimes I'll go, I'll go
Speaker 1: groof there something. I always need someone a little bit.
Speaker 1: I need that in your love is king for the games.
Speaker 1: I didn't need no tool problem that the doom doom
Speaker 1: doof tell me that joint um outstanding, and then probably
Speaker 1: something like get at me dog. Yeah, you can never
Speaker 1: get that wrong with If I wanted to really like
Speaker 1: you knocked me out, Get at me dog? Was we
Speaker 1: get me hyped next year? See? I didn't need that.
Speaker 1: I didn't need that. That was too much. That was over.
Speaker 1: I'd have been barking for real. Get at me doors
Speaker 1: onto my joint store. I ain't gonna hold you. If
Speaker 1: you can go back and relive one moment in your
Speaker 1: basketball career, Which moment would it be? And why when
Speaker 1: I hit the ship the shot Verst. Atlantic versus Temple
Speaker 1: championship that was for the chip, that was for the championship,
Speaker 1: wasn't it? Why when I picked that time because the
Speaker 1: significance to win. We gotta win and go to the
Speaker 1: n C Double A tournament. YE used to look sweet
Speaker 1: in them, a little baby blue and white uniforms. I
Speaker 1: think all of all of all the hard times I
Speaker 1: went through as a youth. Right there, I let out.
Speaker 1: I couldn't even stand up after that mother fucking show.
Speaker 1: I couldn't give it, give me the don't even do
Speaker 1: the press conference. I let all lot of emotions now
Speaker 1: and I was humbly, but I was the man. That
Speaker 1: was my moment. You feel what I'm saying? And then
Speaker 1: the aftermath of that game. Get back to the hotel,
Speaker 1: the whole state of Rhode Island. I opened the door
Speaker 1: to the hotel, the whole state of Road Island going crazy.
Speaker 1: Last question, bro, your answer. You have to help us
Speaker 1: with your answer to this question. All right, who would
Speaker 1: you like to see on our show? Who would you
Speaker 1: like to see on all the smoke that haven't been already.
Speaker 1: I had car Gard here. Yeah we k yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: of course you're about to get big fella. I did
Speaker 1: get a big fella tomorrow, did he that's my guy?
Speaker 1: Hold up, let's talk. You know you remember I'm gonna
Speaker 1: just put this out there. You said who I wanted
Speaker 1: to be, like Magic Johnson off the size basketball will
Speaker 1: be puff daddy man, moguls everything. I know what smells good,
Speaker 1: I know what looks fly, I know it tastes good.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I'll do now he's superslid.
Speaker 1: I remember when I the first night after George floor
Speaker 1: Don had to do an interview on CNN, Like ten
Speaker 1: minutes before the interview. I never told the story. Ten
Speaker 1: minutes for the interview, my face. I get a FaceTime
Speaker 1: from another California Now I don't know, so I answered,
Speaker 1: I get a Texas did it and I faced time
Speaker 1: and it was just like a pregame speech. It's your
Speaker 1: biggest moment in your life. Every black person in the
Speaker 1: world counting on you know you. You was built for it.
Speaker 1: I know you're gonna say the right things. I just
Speaker 1: want to give you some encouragement, and that meant the
Speaker 1: world to me. For him to reach out to me,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, doing that moment, that's something
Speaker 1: I needed. So that is a real and shout out.
Speaker 1: Did it? Man? I think closing man, we just want
Speaker 1: to thank you. Let you know we love you man,
Speaker 1: Thank you, Bro. I love you more and I love
Speaker 1: everybody out there for loving me. You know. It's a
Speaker 1: great thing, you know, Mac, I said, to get a
Speaker 1: chance to know you and then see the stuff that happens,
Speaker 1: it's just like damn. But I mean you've always been
Speaker 1: a great dude with a great heart, and I think that,
Speaker 1: like you said earlier, that's why you're still here. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest like I'm still Yeah. It's a
Speaker 1: blessed position to be in, just you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: to be um trying to find out you know while
Speaker 1: you you vibe, but it could also be frustrating. It's
Speaker 1: a blessing to have a testimony because some people never
Speaker 1: been through other here at times it could be frustrating.
Speaker 1: Down we're doing together, you know what I mean. We
Speaker 1: got the lamar Odom documentaries coming to showtime. Yea, that's it.
Speaker 1: That's big. We're gonna get some ship together, man. But
Speaker 1: we just want to say, man, like I said, you've
Speaker 1: been through it. You've a hell of a road, but
Speaker 1: you're here for a real reason man. And you always
Speaker 1: got two brothers here. You know that. And we love
Speaker 1: you man, Love you, bro. That's a wrap all the
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