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Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black

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Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to another edition to All the Smoke, All the Nada.

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Speaker 1: My brother, You're good and I'm good. Brother. We're back

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Speaker 1: at it. Yeah, we got some more family in the

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Speaker 1: house today. Welcome our guest lamar odom something my guy,

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Speaker 1: what's something, dude? We got you here? Man, a man,

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Speaker 1: I've been trying to track brow down for a minute, like,

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Speaker 1: come funk with us. Man, we gotta talk, come talk,

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Speaker 1: Come kick it. Man. It's good to see you. We

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Speaker 1: jump right into was a hell of a year for

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Speaker 1: the world. What was one thing positive negative you took

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Speaker 1: from keep your loved ones even closer to not being

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Speaker 1: able to go outside, you know what I'm saying. So

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Speaker 1: the people that you were relating with every day, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna learn a lot about them. Keep going close to you.

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Speaker 1: Of course, all the time your story has been widely publicized,

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Speaker 1: it's been an up and down journey for you, to

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Speaker 1: say the least. Where is where are you currently at

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Speaker 1: right now? We're just life, family, everything that's good for you.

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Speaker 1: I'm happy, it's important, you know what I'm saying that's

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Speaker 1: all the matter, sober, But I mean I'm happy, for

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Speaker 1: the most part, hard working, you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: trying to get back on top where that should be. Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: How would your versatility translating the game today? Probably like

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Speaker 1: closer triple double? Yeah, I would say like same thing,

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Speaker 1: like high James harden Like, don't give you some of

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Speaker 1: my favorites you st James harden Um, Luca I thank God. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Lebron Ben Simmons, you know what I mean. I like

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Speaker 1: the way you dream on green play the game too,

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Speaker 1: versus tell someone could do a little bit of everything,

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Speaker 1: God to do a little bit of everything. Yeah, we'll

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Speaker 1: take us back. Your upbringing, your childhood's it's been well documented. Uh,

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Speaker 1: your father struggled with addiction. You unfortunately lost your mom

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Speaker 1: at twelve. But all that shape that you into, you

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Speaker 1: know the man you are. Tell us about your upbringing.

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Speaker 1: Queen's Queen's Yeah, my mom's passed away. I was like

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Speaker 1: I was twelve years old. Um, it's crazy. I remember

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Speaker 1: the day she did pass away. I just want you to

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Speaker 1: to Paul like who all day? That was like the

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Speaker 1: first time I got, like the past to stay out

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Speaker 1: all night you know what I'm saying. I think my

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Speaker 1: grandmother knew I was creaving, you know what I'm saying. Um,

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Speaker 1: she passed away in the afternoon and she I was

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Speaker 1: in the parks and the next morning just hooping. And

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Speaker 1: you know, growing up in New York, the point guard

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Speaker 1: always like trying to be like Kenny Anderson. When I

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Speaker 1: came into the league, I was kind of like it

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Speaker 1: was like a six nine Kenny. But then that changed

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Speaker 1: when I went to Miamiounds. But basketballs, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: been a journey. It's been like for me, life is

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Speaker 1: you know, ups and downs. When did you pick hoop up?

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Speaker 1: Just playing against dudes that was older than me every day?

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Speaker 1: That was my practice, you know what I'm saying. Little

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Speaker 1: did I know that I I was just holding my skills

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Speaker 1: to you know what I'm saying to make it to

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Speaker 1: the NBA. Um, just playing ball every every day as

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Speaker 1: much as I can. What was the city like back then?

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Speaker 1: Obviously big, big on basketball, big on music. I mean nineties,

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Speaker 1: you know crack. You know what I'm saying. Um, Oh, tempo, violently,

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Speaker 1: always gotta be on point at all that shape you

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Speaker 1: and prepare you for what God was gonna put in

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Speaker 1: front of you. With the journey you took in the NBA.

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Speaker 1: How do you see that the New York shaped you

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Speaker 1: and prepared you for what was coming. I think the

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Speaker 1: streets in New York col prepare you for anything. Basketball

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Speaker 1: ain't nothing changed. Really? You talked about outside, I mean

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Speaker 1: that really holding your game. Talk to us a little

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Speaker 1: bit more about how just playing outdoor, like you said, well,

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Speaker 1: your handles everything. You know what I'm saying. And when

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Speaker 1: you were from me from New York. You know you're

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Speaker 1: in New York. Got a bay to pat the ball,

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Speaker 1: no matter what positions you're playing, no matter how big

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Speaker 1: and yeah, and it's you know it's gonna give you

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Speaker 1: an extreme advantage, you know what I'm saying, no matter

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Speaker 1: what level you want. Kyrie, James Harden, even Steph he

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Speaker 1: Shake shouting TV growing up as a kid, oh Man,

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Speaker 1: Manjice Johnson, of course, Manzie Johnson, Kenny Anderson and then

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Speaker 1: dudes that I love like even watching in the league.

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Speaker 1: When I was even playing against call Net. What was

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Speaker 1: your high school, you know, obviously a very decorated high

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Speaker 1: school player at legendary AU teams. Take us back to

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Speaker 1: that time because, like I said, you hit a growth

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Speaker 1: kept your guard skills at what are you six, tess? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: But when I was when I was, um, I was

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Speaker 1: But then when I came back to my sophomore yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was like six seventh. Yeah, so at six too,

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Speaker 1: you know, you're a guard in the middle of like freshman, yeah,

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Speaker 1: like six five. Then when I get back, I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: guard skills. I'm constantly playing against or playing with Eric Barkley,

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Speaker 1: Speedy Clackson. We had three three NBA dudes on the

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Speaker 1: same high school chain. That's crazy. And then it's probably

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Speaker 1: the toughest league I think in the in the country

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Speaker 1: at the South st Raymonds. You know, any one of

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Speaker 1: those teams like probably being the top twenty five and

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Speaker 1: any given year, you know what I mean. I was

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Speaker 1: watching Kenny Anderson play. He was playing against the school

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Speaker 1: um cold talent time it's not there no more. Well,

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Speaker 1: you had Kenny Anderson and they had a center, his

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Speaker 1: name was Robert and he went to St. John's. They

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Speaker 1: how I like tough to the c H I say

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Speaker 1: you had to go. I had to go play against raw.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It's tough, tough just to

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Speaker 1: get out. The city Championship in New York City is everything.

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Speaker 1: How did you grow your game just by playing and practicing? Um?

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Speaker 1: You know in New York like dudes, you know, work

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Speaker 1: me out, UM, shoutout to Vincent Smith. He was Kenny

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Speaker 1: Anderson's mentor growing up. I'm just working out, going to

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Speaker 1: Lost between Jim, working on my handle, Bob Deck. You

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Speaker 1: much as possible, just get it in. Especially at that age,

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Speaker 1: I saw what it was really just basketball. But you

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Speaker 1: know that was really before you smoking we or you

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Speaker 1: know what I'm doing. Anything else and like that. Who

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Speaker 1: tell me? Tell me about that rocket moment, the famous

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Speaker 1: rocking moment when run and holding. Yea, when I mixed

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Speaker 1: When it was that, I think it was two Thomens

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Speaker 1: I did just that was the rocker. Yeah, it was

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Speaker 1: But you know who you know who taught me that move?

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Speaker 1: Darius Mouths told me that movie Factors. He told me

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Speaker 1: Like fuck, how do you do that? You know what

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Speaker 1: They touched on that, though I don't think people realized

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Speaker 1: because his career was kind of fast, how talented. No, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he was different, knuckleheads, Yeah, he was different. Knucklehead. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: He was really like, um, like a miniature going net,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But he had more outside

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Speaker 1: games like quick hand, quick crossover and all that. But

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Speaker 1: take it over. I had to just bust his ass practice.

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Speaker 1: That's my boy, you know what I'm saying. That's my

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Speaker 1: was tough too. Cu was. I was a fan of Cue.

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Speaker 1: I'm in college. I watched him get liked. Word against Cincinnati,

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Speaker 1: down factor mm hmmm before we get to the league

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Speaker 1: that we don't want to touch real quick on your

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Speaker 1: your legendary AU team. Oh me, yeah, I think we

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Speaker 1: were like yeah, they said and one, Yeah, that was

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Speaker 1: crazy insane, right. I think that the you know, depart

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Speaker 1: now call these dudes my dudes. Because though summers was

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Speaker 1: that age. At least get there. Yeah, take us back

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Speaker 1: to AU because it was different now. You know obviously

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Speaker 1: it and you can see everyone we're gonna play now

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Speaker 1: through your phone. Back then, it wasn't like that. If

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Speaker 1: Oh god, my lord, at before I even went to college.

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Speaker 1: For if anybody with a business mind with me at

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Speaker 1: that time, kidding me, it's extreme exposure. It might be

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Speaker 1: over overexposed. I don't know how you fight overexposure. You

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Speaker 1: as a parent or guardian now, especially if they play

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Speaker 1: It's a shark. I got my hands on them, so,

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Speaker 1: you know, just watching them. But because it's so many

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Speaker 1: different ways to monetize from amateur sports, even if you

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Speaker 1: do it the right way. So golf forbids you a

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Speaker 1: scum bucket. Yeah you really prompt. Yeah, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean, Like you said, it could be too much

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Speaker 1: too soon, Like it's we've never had the kind of

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Speaker 1: you know, we have kids that are superstars before they

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Speaker 1: go to college, you know what I mean. Normally you

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Speaker 1: get some accolades, you might parade all American, they can

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Speaker 1: read about you in the magazine. But these kids are

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Speaker 1: having bigger following. Zion would have had a bigger following

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Speaker 1: than Doke had, you know what I mean, Like these kids,

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Speaker 1: and I think everybody playing part with it, Sneaker companies

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Speaker 1: and yeah, what was some of the top top schoolers

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Speaker 1: racun You I wish I would have, like visit an

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Speaker 1: h PCU, HBCU, you know, I wish I would at

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Speaker 1: least gave him a visit. Could you imagine like the

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Speaker 1: number one, number two playing the country visit an HBCU.

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Speaker 1: I can at least imagine the visit with at least

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Speaker 1: my man about that. I think I might want to

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Speaker 1: gonna be good dudes. Oh four. The Lakers seat feels

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00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 1: seemed like it's kind of part ways with shock and

423
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 1: you're a part of a blockbuster trade. Yeah, I didn't

424
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 1: even think it was gonna happen. Did you hear any

425
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 1: whispers about it or anything? You have any ideals coming? No,

426
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,719
Speaker 1: I could have dead it it though. What are your

427
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 1: thoughts when they brought it to you? I mean, I

428
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 1: don't dick ride nothing like that. You know what I'm

429
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 1: saying that it's not form of transporation. But but I

430
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 1: got the il kicker. If they do trade me, they're

431
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:59,160
Speaker 1: gonna pay me. Then I get go back as a Laker.

432
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 1: But stop there. But why that's more significant to me

433
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 1: because I was a Clipper for those couple of years,

434
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 1: so I know what it is to be a Laker. Me,

435
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 1: I go back, I'll be cha and I get to

436
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 1: play with me. As a no brainer for me, I

437
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 1: took the executive decision. You're coming to Johan cob In

438
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: l a dr Buss, Jennie Mitch rest in peace in

439
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 1: a good way, Genie Pops in an amazing way. Yeah,

440
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 1: what was the difference? Like you mentioned, you touched on it,

441
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: but so you saw at the time the clippers weren't good.

442
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 1: You mean you came into a door, did we? Did you?

443
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:47,919
Speaker 1: I mean I remember I got there? No three were

444
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 1: you guys practiced south by Southwest? Back then you have

445
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 1: to keep the back doors open so no one breaking in.

446
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 1: And now we practiced that at the Southwest Junia College, right,

447
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 1: no shot, nasty showers. You had to keep the doors.

448
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: I would never take a shot because motherfucker's is stealing

449
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 1: breaking windows. This is the n b A. I wish

450
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 1: I would have been around a dude like who had

451
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 1: practice habits like Kobe early on. I'm thinking about all

452
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 1: the times pulling up the Southwest ten o'clock practice, coming

453
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: in nine thirty like a bump, you know what I mean?

454
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: There was no examples though, nah m, but touch on

455
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 1: that like seeing I mean, I'm sure you've seen it.

456
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: Right away. You got a chance play with him. I

457
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 1: came and play with you guys. What it was like

458
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: just being with him? And seeing him. Yeah, I mean

459
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: it was his whole ship is different. I'll be here

460
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,400
Speaker 1: and dudes say his name, but like you ain't. Really

461
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: he was trying to be perfect on the court all

462
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 1: the time, even doing this like his little shooting routine

463
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 1: or whatever. You know what I'm saying. Even if his footwork,

464
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: even if he's getting shot, she's doing in a certain

465
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,040
Speaker 1: way where he just trying to be the best to

466
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 1: get better at it. You know, it's work effic in

467
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: the morning, man, he was like it was a thug

468
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: at tending the morning. He was gonna it was banging

469
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 1: on breathits man, for real, like my man, constant, take

470
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: it easy. There was no such thing though. It was

471
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 1: all full steam of head. Phil Jackson comes in, oh six,

472
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,640
Speaker 1: what's that experience? Like, I'm sure you never had nobody

473
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: like him? Yeah, I mean that that change. Um. I

474
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,120
Speaker 1: think it's probably the way I looked at the game,

475
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 1: you know, really, not from the from the physical aspect um,

476
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:47,199
Speaker 1: from the mental aspect, the mental approach. Um. I mean,

477
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: you know, we used to meditate together, and so if

478
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 1: you know anything about meditation, that's like prayer in a sense.

479
00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: So really we like we all praying together unreligious, you

480
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,919
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So that's gonna build the extra um.

481
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:10,679
Speaker 1: Bond gives his books to read according to your personality

482
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: and who you are. How do you want to affect

483
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:17,880
Speaker 1: your life? Mhm, that's crazy to have read enough books

484
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 1: to be able to have something for you to understand

485
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 1: people that much stuff? Right? Question? How driven was cold?

486
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: And how did that? I did that rub off on you?

487
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 1: I learned from this dude just about even just broom

488
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: just watching them, man, you know he said he was

489
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: better than Mike. I know he did. He thought it.

490
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: He thought it. You can tell them he thought that one.

491
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: I said, what, But you gotta understand his drive. It

492
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: ain't too many dudes that played in the NBA that's black, yo,

493
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: and that really mean it and they heart like that

494
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: is growing up right now, like I'm gonna be better

495
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: than Lebron Jamee. And that's where he chased his whole

496
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: life was to be just as good or mentioned with

497
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's remember saying I need to get six. I

498
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: want to be able to sit the same table with Mike's.

499
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: His whole frame of mind, his whole He had sixty

500
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: three and Dallas had sixty one. In the third quarter.

501
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: Cos you know how NBA practices, word of mother, he

502
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: hit like ten fifteen straight in the practice. You know,

503
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: they know to play. He still can't do that idea.

504
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: You guys are able to pick up pal in two

505
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: thousand and eight. That changed everything. He was ready to

506
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: bang after that. Yeah, you got to go to the

507
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: finals that year and kind of become a part of

508
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: that historical of the two greatest franchises ever to play

509
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 1: rivalry between the South. I don't really think people understand

510
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: how good power it's probably presurely people that called him

511
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: playing at the end of his career he's like something

512
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: else because he played the point guard from the center position.

513
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Film saying, so, okay, you know, penetration start

514
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: from getting the ball in the post, right, That's the

515
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 1: deepest penetration you can get. So now you've got somebody

516
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: that got the point guard mentality that's close to the

517
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: basket but still has everything to score it though it's

518
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: open everything up left right crazy, and you know, the

519
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: triangle is probably the most intricate offense ever. I would

520
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: say he came the first day like he knew it,

521
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: like he was what he was watching. Film on it.

522
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: We have we played against the Nets when we took off.

523
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: From that point on, he had rock star too. He

524
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: went to Spain. He had it rocking. Remember that trip. Hey, well,

525
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is like a big time slooper stuff.

526
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: Well we got Kobe and this dude. But the whole

527
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: Laker experience was like unbelievable, tough for the Celtics to

528
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: compete against. I should They have poor pears Garden there

529
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: and rail and they had a good coach, but they

530
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: were they were like they were had toughness to that

531
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: big baby bass forward player Alan Kidd from Chicago, Right, yeah,

532
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: they were. And and then there's the and then there's

533
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: with the Lakers. So you always got that beef. You

534
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: don't even might not even know basketball. What you know,

535
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,959
Speaker 1: Lakers got beef with the Celtics. Well you know you're

536
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: gonna get the best game first time. They beat our

537
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: ass though, and Boston fans so wild and crazy they

538
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: beat us. They beat us by like forty They don't

539
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: even let our bus leave. They're shaking the bus after

540
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: they were after they beat our ass, Like what happened?

541
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: If we're the one What did y'all learn from that? Though?

542
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: That experienced that, that oh eight loss, because y'all went

543
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: on to win two in a row after that, Oh

544
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: hope that that was the hardest loss you ever had.

545
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, I think I think that's why I'm like,

546
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stay around Kobe a little bit more. He staying,

547
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: I'm a staying you know what I mean, I'm really like,

548
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: really like really followed this this dude all the way

549
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:33,479
Speaker 1: through and see where it takes us. And I think

550
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: that's the year I decided to come off the bench.

551
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: How tough was that though, because you've been a was

552
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 1: tough because it was I supposed they supposed to pay me.

553
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 1: But everything worked out. I wanted up, you know, I'm

554
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: saying Mariam shorty and all that. So everything worked out.

555
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get to that part. But so back to

556
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: back championships. You get a chance to see them again

557
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: in ten after what they did y'all eight. How vindicating

558
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: was that and then also being able to pick your

559
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: brother up and do with what Yeah, I think that's

560
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,959
Speaker 1: why it was big for us to get them. Um.

561
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: I remember, oh yeah, we run it. We won it

562
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: that year with Trav and then I remember that summer

563
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: he's a free agent. I remember speaking of I don't

564
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: know where I bumped in the round or or shoot

565
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: him something. We're out. It was like, yo, if you can,

566
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: you should come with us. He m, you know what

567
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: I mean? Like me, the three come get one? And

568
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: then you know I already knew with him and Kobe

569
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: on the same team, it's a lot. It's trouble for

570
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: the league. It's a lot of alpha male ntil long,

571
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Because they went at it

572
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: um when he was on Houston that one day in

573
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: the playoffs. They took us to seven games. So I

574
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: already knew he was gonna have a big just mentally

575
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,719
Speaker 1: because it ain't two dudes on the team. I got

576
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: two dudes like Steve Jackson, two dudes like Matt Bonds

577
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: and like Stephen jack You know what I'm saying. So

578
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: at the two and three, so who they're gonna Who's

579
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:10,439
Speaker 1: gonna really control them? But it all worked out, man, wrong, wrong,

580
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: got one with us when we have something, went on

581
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: the biggest stage together. Why not win the That's a

582
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: my whole movie. Man, how much did you embrace the

583
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:25,959
Speaker 1: six man row? It's different now I'm gonna but that's again,

584
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: that's being maybe like you help me do back. You

585
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: didn't want to, though, He no, so because I know

586
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: what I know what I know that what it starts

587
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: is like even if I average thirty every team, Now

588
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: did I go to If I'm not with the leggers,

589
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: they're gonna try to bring me off the bench. He

590
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: looked at the big picture, you know, so listen to

591
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: big Bro, Big get the chick. That's thing Bro, two

592
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 1: thousand ten. Um, I get a chance to join you guys.

593
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: That's a team. We're going for a three peeple. Oh yeah,

594
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: I just got worse. I think that was a year one.

595
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: That was your six man year. Wasn't it a game being? Yeah,

596
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 1: we got to have a spot. Come out the best.

597
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: I always like what you do? Do it be the

598
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: best m reality TV? The best reality TV show? I

599
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: went there, y'all got it? Do it be great? Period?

600
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: You know his ship Joe, just do it be on

601
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 1: the free throw line, nigger, just make it. That's simple.

602
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: I gotta I want to award. While I was filming

603
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: a reality TV show in the NBA, they ain't gonna

604
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: ever be done again. And but the only thing places

605
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: could be done isn't in l A. You got to

606
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 1: do it with organizations that open minded to do something

607
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 1: like that. You're on the biggest stage, You're winning championships

608
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: with the greatest franchise in the history, and then you

609
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 1: link up I'm Black Royal to you. Now you think

610
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: up the car that's like, I'm gonna be honest with you,

611
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: my guy. Yeah, I mean I got married in thirty days. Man,

612
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: I love that woman. I loved her. If I could

613
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: have a a talk with year old of older, we

614
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 1: probably shot the family fight like what the like, what

615
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: are you doing? Cause I was like I was thinking,

616
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: like I was unstoppable. We all did you know what

617
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: I'm saying? I got a wife that and her world

618
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: is probably just as popular as me. The extra bag.

619
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: Koe Kardashian brought me a fan of Game seven. I

620
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 1: woke up to my kids and drop top Fanom that

621
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,439
Speaker 1: was the drophead though. That wasn't that, That wasn't the Dawn,

622
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: the two hundred and fifty. That was the five, That

623
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: was the one that was half a man, the big Boy. Yeah,

624
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: I had one too, that was the half of man.

625
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: But tell me, I mean you like I said, it,

626
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,479
Speaker 1: doesn't it doesn't get bigger than the Lakers. No, I don't,

627
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: and they don't. You almost like you said, you met

628
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: your match extra, you know what I mean. So that's

629
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: that's what I was going to get to that what

630
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 1: kind of different light and atmosphere did that branding put

631
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: you in? That was an incredible enormous like obviously, like

632
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: I was only a New York nig could be handled

633
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: that no offense to some people from anywhere else because

634
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 1: you have only you have to be a star four

635
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: he was a star to understand that type of like

636
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: that that you're getting, because I mean, obviously I didn't

637
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 1: even know how to handle it. You smell or handled

638
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: it wrong some sense. I'm not married to anymore. Was

639
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: it hard to just never be able to turn it off? Though?

640
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 1: Like you on ESPN and tnt WI, you're with the

641
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: Lakers and then you go across and you're on the

642
00:37:56,200 --> 00:38:00,040
Speaker 1: biggest reality show ever. Not never really real I'm a

643
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: real one, I think at the end of the day,

644
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: I'm a realist. So I knew when to be Lammy

645
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: and I knew when to be number seven, you know

646
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: what I mean? Was there a difference? I don't know.

647
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: I would say I think I'm seven a little harder. Um,

648
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: i'nna be honest with you, like one of the best

649
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 1: times of my life, though you had a lot of mishap.

650
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: I remember the attempted trade to Dallas and then it

651
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: ends up being a trade to Charlotte. Charlotte first, what

652
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 1: was that like? Because you were completely bother I was

653
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,320
Speaker 1: disappointed at the end of the day. You know, I

654
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 1: was having talks from my agent at that time, I remember,

655
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: and he was reminded me how I helped build his

656
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: um company, which Excel Sports Jeff Schwartz. He's like, you know,

657
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,320
Speaker 1: if anybody know about the business is you. You know,

658
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: you know what ain't other personal. I don't take your personal.

659
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 1: It's the way to bounce. But I mean I was

660
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 1: you can't. But you know, when you put in your

661
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: heart and take a pay cut to come off the bench.

662
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, that you're gonna trade me,

663
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm gonna take a personally. But that was

664
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: supposed to be the Chris Paul trade. They got vetoed

665
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 1: by then. I wonder why they Why did the NBA

666
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: that that trade Lake It's gonna be too powerful with

667
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: Chris BA m one of the great mysteries. Yeah, what happened?

668
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. See, it was funny because we talked to

669
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: Webb earlier about the situation where he had a no

670
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 1: trade claws and he ended up saying, fuck it. If

671
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: you don't want me, I'm gone, Like he said, that

672
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: ship really hurt him and ended up going to Philly.

673
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: It sounds like a similar situation, you like, they try

674
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: to get you in that situation, doesn't work. But then

675
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,919
Speaker 1: it's almost like the bridges burned at that point. Yeah. Yeah,

676
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: it ain't traded me to That's like it was just

677
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:05,919
Speaker 1: the timing with the Dallas trade. That summer has seen

678
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 1: some real wild crazy ship and give you a brief

679
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 1: a little synapsis. So my cousin get shot in the head,

680
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 1: all right, So he gets shot in the head, fly

681
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: to New York or go see him. He's sitting there,

682
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: eyes right on the back of his head's brain. Dad.

683
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 1: Whenever I'm sitting there and talking to him, I'm gonna

684
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: suck up. So I get in the car, go get

685
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 1: a haircut. Okay, gets the haircut. I gets in the car.

686
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 1: The driver must know somebody I know. He hands me

687
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 1: the phone. Hell them on what's they want to talk

688
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: to you? And that split second, a dude on a motorcycle,

689
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: he hits a dude on a motorcycle. Boom, the motorcycle

690
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,720
Speaker 1: flips over here hits the kid that's standing in the street.

691
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 1: I woke up over to the kid. Now, meanwhile, I

692
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: remember I just told you. I just came from the house,

693
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 1: was seeing my cousin. He's brain dead. I walk over

694
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: see the kid. I said, Oh, Ship's dead. He's dead.

695
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: Called Chloe like, oh Chloe, She's like, man, I just

696
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 1: go back in the cars, go by in the car.

697
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 1: Uh So the Dallas Trade Mark Human, I kind of

698
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 1: like let him know where my head was. Yeah, you're

699
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: not really getting a little older, Like this is what

700
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: I've been going through this summer. You know, my head

701
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: is all funked up. And then he's like, hell, this

702
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: is that now you were doing to talk about data?

703
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: So he like died them or whatever. Uh So I

704
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 1: get that there I'm playing like ship who getting on

705
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,720
Speaker 1: me in the worst way about this ship Mark Kiman.

706
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, like, I kind of told I told you

707
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: where my head was, you know what I'm saying. Then

708
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: we had then we whatever, man that ship was just

709
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 1: a real crazy situation. Man. Then I'm playing in Memphis

710
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: stinking it up again. He kicks me and my shin

711
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: and gets trying to get my attention to play better

712
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: and all that. I kind of lose it, like, yo,

713
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: give me the funk out there. You know, no man

714
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: gonna put your feet on me. First of all, I

715
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: don't care how many builders. This is postgame, No, this

716
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: is during the game time kicks you like, like, come

717
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: on them all. Like, I'm like, Vince Carter wasn't there

718
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: out to beat his ass, so didn't know he was

719
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: there wrong. M hm, put your feet on a young

720
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: black man, Why don't you don't do that? But to

721
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: his defense, I mean I was thinking it up extra right.

722
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: That probably could have been my worst standing basketball and

723
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: my NBA career. And I'm sorry Mark Cuban for taking

724
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 1: your money, but you was just as wrong to kick

725
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: for putting your feet on me as wrong as I

726
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: was playing. For real, that situation ends. You hit up,

727
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 1: you know, downs off the court, end up getting or

728
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: Chloe ens up filing for a divorce in thirteen, where's

729
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 1: your head out? Obviously, the off the court issues are

730
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: starting to really weigh on you. Yeah, that's the drugs though.

731
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: Talk to us about that because drugs. You first of all,

732
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 1: you're you're shameful when you do drugs, and you know,

733
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: and living in shame, you just put yourself in your

734
00:43:55,760 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: at least to bad decision making, shame and anxiety and

735
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 1: um yeah. And then you know, she's telling me she

736
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 1: wanted divorce, and of course I got a divorce if

737
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 1: she wanted, right, Um, then I give you something else,

738
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: something good though too. So then I went to that

739
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: remember the day sign a paper with the divorce. So

740
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm don't fulfill this fantasy I always got.

741
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: I always see this money man ship on HBO. I'm

742
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:41,959
Speaker 1: gonna go pop up on now Cole. How do people

743
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 1: come get me? Now? Meanwhile, I'm telling you all this.

744
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: I ain't really tell a lot of people this, but

745
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: I'm telling y'all this. I ain't do drugs that day.

746
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I don't know a lot

747
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: of my memories, a lot of fried whatever from twelve shows,

748
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,399
Speaker 1: six heart attacks and all that that I had when

749
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: I was down, But that day I didn't do drugs,

750
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:04,800
Speaker 1: all right, get to the Bunny ran ship whatever I

751
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna act out Boom Dick's hard all that

752
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 1: I pop pass out and mother wrote, mother ain't do

753
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: drugs that there. I'm getting real with you. I wish

754
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: they would let me know what the funk they gave me,

755
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: because that had to be some good ship, because that

756
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: ship had me put out that should three days, I've

757
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 1: had twelve strokes and six heart attacks from something they

758
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: gave you there, Hell yeah, damn whatever it was. My

759
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: guy just a super like whatever it was, whatever that

760
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: stuck me with. How they put that ship in me,

761
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:50,720
Speaker 1: how they did it. But your mentor, so your mentor

762
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: was just you were so there was so much going on.

763
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: You were just lost kind of just get away. I

764
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:59,959
Speaker 1: lost my wife. You know what I'm saying. I would

765
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 1: like you know I was just a Kardashian so I'm

766
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: the queens, right, So I'm a black Kardashians. I'm a king, right,

767
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:14,439
Speaker 1: got took off my throne from my actions on some bullshit. Yeah,

768
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: you know, but lesson learn you talk about that day

769
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: and all the after effects. You said, what twelve strokes,

770
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: six heart attacks? When did you kind of start when

771
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:33,720
Speaker 1: you woke up from that? What's your what's your thought process. First,

772
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: how I get here? That first thing you said, how

773
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 1: I give my nigga? I was down down. If I go,

774
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: I was down, Like go say your final goodbye to

775
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: them are older. They told my family. I was all

776
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: the way. And if we go to um see the

777
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: sign right now, it's like if I go there, it's

778
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: like a party because you made it. Because if that

779
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: man is walking, I was all the way. Then when

780
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: I walk up, I couldn't walk. All talk now, I mean,

781
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: you know, we big strong athletes, we sit here cheat

782
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: the ship. We're talking like it's nothing. You know what

783
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I couldn't walk. Yeah, it's like all talk.

784
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,879
Speaker 1: I couldn't know verberts can come out of my mouth

785
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,800
Speaker 1: from man. But I'm gonna keep it real, tr I

786
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: never really um question God or or lost any faith.

787
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: M hmm, not one time. Not one time. And even

788
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: like you would have to beat me down physically and

789
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: to the question my faith and God like take me

790
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: like you take everything from me. You don't look like

791
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: what you've been through, you still look good, you know

792
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Yeah, but you know it's so crazy

793
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,800
Speaker 1: because something like people be on the street, you know, whatever,

794
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: I might be recognizable and like that, like yo, lord

795
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: looks so good, Like I almost get like lightweight offend it,

796
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 1: like yeah, like the expect me to look like a

797
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 1: lot of people on the outside like they wasn't there,

798
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: but we even us from being afar not being able

799
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: to because you know, in my mind, I wanted to

800
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 1: be at the hospital to check. You know what I'm saying.

801
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,240
Speaker 1: You know how many you rock but around the world,

802
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: we might wasn't there, but we know what you've been through.

803
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,919
Speaker 1: And to see you look like Lamar that I've seen

804
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,479
Speaker 1: in the NBA as a rookie, you look the same.

805
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: For you to come up I come up out of

806
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: all that and to look like you ain't went through

807
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 1: none of that ship, bro, You know what I'm saying,

808
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: It's motivation to a lot of people, whether you know

809
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: it or not, you know what I'm saying, because a

810
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: lot of people don't come up by that ship. Bro,

811
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, A lot of people don't

812
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 1: come up by that. So for you to be able

813
00:48:57,800 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: to stand like you're standing as strong as you are

814
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: right now, you know what I'm saying. That dealing with

815
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:03,800
Speaker 1: everything and being to dude, with the strong brother that

816
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: we know. We gotta salute you for that, bro, because

817
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people wouldn't have made it,

818
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 1: even if I don't really even express it verbally or

819
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 1: or actually say it. You know what I'm saying. God

820
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: knows where my heart is at, right, That's all that matters.

821
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: So he know, actually know him Like this is like

822
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: beyond grateful. It's just to be living. That's real. Rat.

823
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 1: What was that recovery process? Like, I mean, we've been

824
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: through divorces, but I'm saying, like I said, on top

825
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 1: of that, you're still dealing with an ailing heart and

826
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 1: then you've got all these Now you've got new medical conditions.

827
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: Now you're just kind of happy to be alive. But still,

828
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: like you said, the grind was real Tony training camps

829
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: and you feel what I'm saying, um, but just always

830
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: knowing that, like I know I'm gonna be able to

831
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 1: walk again, and I know I'm gonna be able to

832
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: talk again. You're like, you know what I mean, I

833
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 1: think I couldn't hold my bowels, man, you know what

834
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: I mean. I'm the more older I'm gonna see this,

835
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 1: see the sign in the hospital and these nurses has

836
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 1: changed me every day and they know who the funk

837
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: I am and who the likes is extra humbling, real rat,

838
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: extra humbling come into that. And then this is even

839
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 1: before I even really expressed that I didn't do drugs

840
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,919
Speaker 1: that day. So really the humility is that everybody thinking

841
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: that I put this on myself, and I know that's

842
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why he ain't take me because

843
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: that on my back, you know what I'm saying. So

844
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:49,800
Speaker 1: it's just extra humbling experience. So I mean, so like

845
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 1: nothing else could get me more damn in that situation.

846
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: No money, you know, bitch, You know what I mean?

847
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: How fly you think you are? Whatever? I'm gonna get

848
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: through anything and everything. You spoke on run artests, showtime, documented,

849
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 1: cried storm, and you spoke to mental health. Mental health.

850
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:16,359
Speaker 1: Mental health is where it's at right now. I'm trying

851
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 1: to close this deal with this company called PHM. I

852
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 1: don't know if you heard a clubhouse at the clubhouse,

853
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: trying to get my own room and clubhouse to support

854
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: the whole mental health, especially you know, during the um

855
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: COVID pandemic, and I know a lot of people probably

856
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: been taking easy way out. Sniff some blow crack whatever

857
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:44,760
Speaker 1: pales OPI or you know what I mean, I sayin't

858
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 1: really the way to go. What do you do when

859
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:48,720
Speaker 1: you do? What do you do when you have urges

860
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: like that? I'm gonna be honest with you. That's how

861
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: I know I'm saved for real, because I don't even

862
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: even think about getting high. First of all, I'll probably

863
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 1: get sick and won't even be enjoyed. Um. You touched

864
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: on mental health and how that's never been something that's

865
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 1: black man. We discussed it. It's a sign of weak.

866
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: We always think it's like it's cool for I'll do

867
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 1: to be a little crazy, yeah, or just off. You

868
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:22,399
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. He might need help, but it's

869
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: very important that we do. We can't be helping him

870
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: block us up. You know they're gonna do that anyway.

871
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:36,879
Speaker 1: Real right, you lost obviously your mom at a young age.

872
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 1: Um dad dealing with what he did with dealing with

873
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: what he dealt with. He recently made the social media

874
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 1: post um rewatching a Kardashian marathon and kind of think

875
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 1: because you felt like, you know, that really surrounded you

876
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: with a lot of love that seemed like it've been

877
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: missing for you know, what I'm saying. It always wants family,

878
00:52:56,080 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: always family, right right. I get emotions some times too. Yeah,

879
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 1: I lost my son, man, you know, life is just

880
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 1: I never would think too much of myself. Man. You

881
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying that she could be taken from

882
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 1: you instantly, But it also shows after everything, you're here

883
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: for a real reason in fact. Yeah, and you know what,

884
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 1: I will be honest with you, I kind of like

885
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 1: really trying to just like I think that's like what

886
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: I'm trying to, like still like find out what's that reason?

887
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: Is it? To get myself all the way back on completely?

888
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:47,359
Speaker 1: It is the help of a combination I think both.

889
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 1: I think this is the human side of athletes that

890
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 1: people don't really see and we don't even realize, you know.

891
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 1: I mean, we go through stuff on the highest level

892
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: with money and fame and this, but it's also we're

893
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 1: going through real world issues. So you're doing and going

894
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:02,399
Speaker 1: through ship that other people have been through. Yeah, people

895
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,479
Speaker 1: think fame and money, race, No, hell no, I don't

896
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: understand the additions. The magnifies that the ash What was

897
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: your last conversation with Kobe you remember before I'm gonna

898
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 1: keep it all the way buckles. I had, um, I've

899
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:51,839
Speaker 1: been gambling what I'm saying, and they had old had

900
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: kind of got like a little too steep where I

901
00:54:55,120 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: was at that time, it was getting tight, you know

902
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And if you're in a bad situation,

903
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:06,839
Speaker 1: especially about some money, he ain't the one that you're

904
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 1: gonna want to call, you know, if if you maybe

905
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: if you have a way to work off the money,

906
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 1: or you know what I'm saying, or you know what

907
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: I mean, or just the whole something. I think you

908
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 1: ain't going one ain't going One time a cab it

909
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 1: up to strength. I put my pride to the side,

910
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and can call. He was like,

911
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 1: you know after he went in he went in on

912
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:47,319
Speaker 1: you first lightweight, He was just like, how your people

913
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 1: call my out people and then figure it out. Now

914
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 1: that that was That was one before the last time

915
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:57,359
Speaker 1: I spoke to him. Last time I spoke to him,

916
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:00,320
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know exactly whatever was out, but

917
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: it was just about being great. I think I think

918
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 1: he might have been telling me about the body of

919
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:11,439
Speaker 1: my deta. He just did mhm, and just about being great.

920
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 1: Obviously gone much too soon. You made a very touching.

921
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 1: I g post about him about what he meant to

922
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 1: you and the time you guys shared can you can you?

923
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: Can you touch me? I learned something. I learned so

924
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 1: much about so much from him man off the court,

925
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: or just from just about being a fly on the wall.

926
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: What I'm saying, watching how somebody carried it, so you

927
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And extreme pressure situations on the court.

928
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: Remember them photos that he did in all white, Yeah,

929
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 1: and everybody was killing him for it. M h. We

930
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 1: played in Utah, the whole craw having pictures. There are

931
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 1: pictures of them, every single seat in that crowd. Why

932
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: did they do that having pictures? He still go out there, sir.

933
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 1: Some people don't you talking? Let me tell something. They listen.

934
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: They had a blow up doll and the blow up

935
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 1: dog had a French Maid outfit on and had a

936
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 1: sign around his neck that said no means no wow.

937
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: That's how they do when you talk. I like the crowd,

938
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 1: but some mean old yeah I can. I'm not. I'm

939
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: into the spirit of competition. I'm into that. But it

940
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: was like your hold up, hold up. They threw a

941
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: bunch of ticket at us that we believe team they

942
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 1: was nigging this, nigged that bunch of white. But I'm

943
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: just like, huh, get that out of here. They had

944
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 1: a cardboard cut out of me and the jail uniform

945
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 1: because I just got a trouble life size right under

946
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 1: the basket. They don't play life size. The sixth at

947
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 1: Carboral cut out me in the life that you know,

948
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 1: it was the uniform in life. They was in that

949
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:28,919
Speaker 1: jail down before Jack not with the with the pen

950
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:37,919
Speaker 1: stripe Joe, before he got the new teeth too up ship,

951
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 1: that's ban. Yeah, they're crazy in Utah. Man, just crazy

952
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 1: how life come at you fast? Who knows? Man, you know,

953
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 1: I missed being though Dah, me too. I'm missed having

954
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 1: a person that you know what I mean? He was

955
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 1: had a ship together, didn't he. I just came not

956
00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 1: hear his name and not get not you know, get emotion,

957
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's hard. But what he

958
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 1: meant to us Man's like, Man, I was, yeah, yeah,

959
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 1: I don't really, I don't cry as much as I should.

960
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 1: I do ship, But that's an easy way for me

961
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 1: to get crying. Like you know what I'm saying to

962
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 1: go there, because I mean, can you know how you die,

963
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 1: which might get killed. It was a little different and

964
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: being sick or totally different. We got a chance. You know,

965
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 1: we did one of his last interviews, and before we

966
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 1: actually interviewed him, you know, we was doing our thing here,

967
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 1: but we was at his office and he was just

968
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 1: so adamant on this next chapter of life, this next

969
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 1: twenty of kind of shedding the image of who he

970
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 1: was as a great basketball player, but stepping into now.

971
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 1: You know, he like when I say he had a

972
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 1: ship together, I'm not just saying like he had like

973
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 1: he just he knew what he wanted to do. That's

974
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. All times. Well, he he told me

975
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 1: he was going to be greater in this next twenty

976
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 1: than he was in his past. And I'm just like,

977
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: how but he was dead set on being great and whatever.

978
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 1: We could have been an ill coach. And you see

979
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 1: how Elly had his daughter, See how really got Kyrie

980
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 1: Tatum all his little disciples. They're all killing mit. Youll

981
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 1: it's just like he's not with it. Michael Jong probably

982
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 1: would have never told him his secrets. How did you

983
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 1: get into boxing? Pay day? I used to do, but

984
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 1: now I used to not. I used to you used

985
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 1: to box though a little bit. Yeah, I trained and

986
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 1: when I played for the Lake is my best playing days.

987
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 1: I used it as as training. I just noticed my

988
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 1: my hand I got so much quicker. Um. Your disposition

989
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 1: as a man changes too, you know what I'm saying.

990
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 1: When you box, like a little bit more convertational, take

991
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 1: less ship. Motherfucker can't talk to you and kind of

992
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 1: you know, everything happened in my life for a reason.

993
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 1: It's probably have at forty one, it's good for me

994
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 1: to pick up boxing. I wouldn't even mind investing in

995
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 1: them a little boxing gym now, just because it's a

996
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 1: great way to stay in shape. Yeah, I got on,

997
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 1: I got some I do sometimes I gotta bag in

998
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 1: my crab for real. It's a good way. Like you know,

999
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 1: it's a great cardio workout. Yeah. Like then you sharpening

1000
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 1: all the tools you just may need you hope you

1001
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 1: don't need. You know that how you trained you you

1002
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 1: whole jip you know. Yeah, I think let anybody went

1003
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 1: for GI your man space. It's about of discipline, So

1004
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 1: teach you at a discipline, breathing and all that, all

1005
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 1: that stuff. Yeah, meditation, I'm looking forward to seeing you squabble. Yeah,

1006
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be quick. I might play with what

1007
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 1: you want me to. Just play with them. It's only

1008
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 1: three rounds. Yeah, just jabbing, just jabbing, Yeah, just his face.

1009
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 1: Come on, jab jab jack boom right, jab jab jack Right.

1010
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 1: I told you they the folks wanted me to box you.

1011
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 1: They hit me up like, hey, we got the more

1012
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 1: would you box tomorrow that next one? I wouldn't. I won't.

1013
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 1: I wouldn't watch that because you know, I am like,

1014
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 1: you can probably do that next one. Somebody out with

1015
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 1: trying to hurt you. Yeah, that was like the only

1016
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 1: three rounds. You got the head gear, we can knock

1017
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 1: you shop out boom ready. They hit me up, and

1018
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 1: I'm just like, now I can't box my man. I

1019
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 1: was the same thing, you know what I mean, Like

1020
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 1: I can't box someone I funk with. No know it's

1021
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 1: supposed to, but you know what I think it's it's

1022
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 1: an opportunity for me just to promote the ce celebrity

1023
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 1: box and get more maybe as a leagues or the

1024
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 1: celebrities that want to box. Yeah, they said I heard

1025
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 1: maybe rappers. That's beef from you got you got the

1026
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 1: demeaning for us, and I ain't got the demeaning. I

1027
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 1: got the plug. Yeah, and you said, uh a little

1028
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 1: redemption for Nate, Yeah, shout out Nate, my little a

1029
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 1: little bro homie. Yeah, I ain't really you remember how

1030
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 1: you Okay, I remember how you said on that when

1031
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 1: you said drink chance and sit too good with you?

1032
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 1: When I watched that Logan Paul and I'm joint. I've

1033
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 1: not infested this boxing ship because I said, Yo, I'm

1034
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 1: gonna use my boxing skills and fight Logan Paul. Real. Yeah,

1035
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 1: so I manifested all of this. You believe him in

1036
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 1: the fication right, yeah, no question? Choking up, choking up,

1037
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 1: speaking and um real Rat, I was like, I gotta

1038
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:36,440
Speaker 1: do something Nick, because they ain't really I said the

1039
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 1: same thing he was. I said the same thing that

1040
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 1: I gotta. I gotta go punch on Jake because our

1041
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 1: box to me and I'll go to the same place

1042
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 1: in l A. Nice. He is nice and he ain't.

1043
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 1: No little dude, Me and Al go to the same

1044
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 1: place in l A though. Yeah. Cound of pound Yeah yeah, real, Rat,

1045
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:56,439
Speaker 1: I seen his picture there. Yeah you're no, I ain't

1046
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 1: a little but she I one of them to do that.

1047
01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 1: In boxing the way that I think a body titlan.

1048
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 1: He gotta be chucked because it's cool and all that.

1049
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 1: You're hard to wear him. Damn. You know he'll be here.

1050
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:10,439
Speaker 1: You know it would be Ellen boxing too though too, though,

1051
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:16,840
Speaker 1: will be Ill boxing to very iron though I don't

1052
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 1: think Ron might bite you. Ron ain't saying enough to

1053
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 1: protect himself. And you knock him out, you gotta watch

1054
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 1: out for the rest of your life too, because you

1055
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 1: don't come find you, you don't come back. That's what

1056
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 1: I'm talking with me right, I'm gonna be I could

1057
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 1: win the fight if I look in the mirror after

1058
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 1: the fight and I see a little bust. I want

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01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 1: more action. I still want action. So I'm not desp

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01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 1: enough to be a box I want action at all.

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01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 1: I used to play Aaron mckeees to. I used to

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01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:46,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be ill fighting. He's like, you got too

1063
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 1: much fatty tissing on your face, Dope, we're coming down

1064
01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 1: to the end. We got some quick hitters. First thing

1065
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 1: to come to mind, um go with uh toughest to

1066
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:08,800
Speaker 1: guard during your career? Why, Tracy McGrady, you know everybody lives.

1067
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:11,480
Speaker 1: I don't think he gets que setting me up for that.

1068
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 1: Q did tell me about QUE setting me up for that.

1069
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 1: He said about because I guess the Q knew the

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01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:23,920
Speaker 1: history of us, me and m Grady battling in the

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01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 1: high school. Ah So before the game, Q like, no,

1072
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 1: I jump ball. Q like, yeah, you're about the shoulder.

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01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 1: Who who is this? But the show is that who

1074
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 1: the best? Right now? Right now? You know? T Man,

1075
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 1: he just like no salant. You see the face. He's

1076
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 1: just like he gave me like forty four. And I'm

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01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:57,240
Speaker 1: gonna be honest with you. I'm gonna say, like thirty

1078
01:05:57,320 --> 01:05:59,440
Speaker 1: five and them probably was on me, even though like

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01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 1: I had like a real good stat line and I

1080
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 1: think we won the game, if I'm not mistaken, had

1081
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 1: a real good stat line like seventeen nineteen twelve eight,

1082
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 1: something like that. But I'm gonna say, like thirty five

1083
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 1: of them shipters on me, like because he was he

1084
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 1: had my package, but he just had the athleticism top

1085
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 1: it off. You can handle that thing shooting, but he

1086
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 1: just we go over you. He will go over the

1087
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 1: six eight take off, go over you seeing him do it.

1088
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:36,040
Speaker 1: Then the dirt you know, he's shooting over the back

1089
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 1: of his head and got the wet ball guard that

1090
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:40,800
Speaker 1: I ain't never really played against a body. And you

1091
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:43,320
Speaker 1: know I ain't puss from the court. You know what

1092
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:46,400
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I ain't gonna back down nothing, probably, but

1093
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:52,640
Speaker 1: he's just that his motor. Yeah, his motor is enough

1094
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 1: to intimidate you if you you know what I'm saying,

1095
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 1: if you watching him layup line dunking it, yeo. I

1096
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 1: mean he's playing against going net need de MANQ. You know, Um,

1097
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:13,479
Speaker 1: that's the mouns idle Kevin. So we never played against

1098
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 1: Kevin Garnet the mounds showing up and Demail coming out

1099
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 1: talking and going that like these things out here, don't

1100
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:27,120
Speaker 1: get this ship. My Diket is getting hard. Diket is

1101
01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:31,640
Speaker 1: getting hard. But I'm sick going that the whiskey and andigrady.

1102
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 1: But I ain't never seen no white play hard like

1103
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:39,480
Speaker 1: k G. Yeah, he was animal. You plus four going

1104
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:42,440
Speaker 1: to the black top? You plus four going to the

1105
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:44,120
Speaker 1: black top to get a dove. Who are you taking

1106
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 1: with you? Anybody? Four players? Whole boys from the from

1107
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 1: around the way. M hmm, you plus four. It don't matter,

1108
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:56,760
Speaker 1: like you don't gotta go positions basketball. We're going to

1109
01:07:56,840 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 1: whopa pass you're taking with you to the you might

1110
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 1: have to fight hunting racks on the line. What what

1111
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 1: fo are you taking with you to the rucker to

1112
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 1: get this dog? One game four four plus four you

1113
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 1: and your five ye me y'all too, and give us

1114
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:22,400
Speaker 1: a point guard. Just one game me y'all two and

1115
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 1: God bless his dad being. I know, ain't gonna lose

1116
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:30,000
Speaker 1: nobody nothing losing, no fight. No, ain't no nothing, no nothing.

1117
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 1: We're gonna defeated that not team, no team. That's that's

1118
01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:38,400
Speaker 1: the best gym. And I heard that question your top

1119
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:43,679
Speaker 1: five rappers right now? Period? I wanted your top five periods,

1120
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 1: just ever, your top five rappers New York, a whole list.

1121
01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be bias. I'm from Texas, So what's yours?

1122
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:55,040
Speaker 1: It's big and I don't want to hear somebody get

1123
01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:58,559
Speaker 1: and just go in. Yeah, I go j You're big

1124
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:07,320
Speaker 1: pun pun was dope. I don't think Big Airl was

1125
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 1: nicest Punka pun Ja, big Big Jay, the Kiss, Nas, Yes,

1126
01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:22,800
Speaker 1: solid right there. You can't beat that. Nas gets busy,

1127
01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:26,080
Speaker 1: super busy. But did he just wanted his first grandmar

1128
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 1: didn't he did? Here for keys disease. That's his first

1129
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:37,000
Speaker 1: grandmy shout out here, boy, I'm not mistaken. Who did

1130
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:39,720
Speaker 1: you have in your pregame rotation? Three songs from some

1131
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:42,799
Speaker 1: something you used to listen to before a game? Sometimes

1132
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 1: it's so crazy because sometimes I listened to a slow gym. Ye.

1133
01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:50,320
Speaker 1: I ain't have to listen to no motherfuckers. I'm already

1134
01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:54,080
Speaker 1: stupid en. I ain't even listening to nothing, crazy kid

1135
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:56,680
Speaker 1: push out of need that I'm something to jail. So

1136
01:09:57,000 --> 01:10:02,080
Speaker 1: my best day was nay. Sometimes I'll go, I'll go

1137
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 1: groof there something. I always need someone a little bit.

1138
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 1: I need that in your love is king for the games.

1139
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:10,559
Speaker 1: I didn't need no tool problem that the doom doom

1140
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:16,320
Speaker 1: doof tell me that joint um outstanding, and then probably

1141
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 1: something like get at me dog. Yeah, you can never

1142
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:21,479
Speaker 1: get that wrong with If I wanted to really like

1143
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:23,680
Speaker 1: you knocked me out, Get at me dog? Was we

1144
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:26,680
Speaker 1: get me hyped next year? See? I didn't need that.

1145
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:29,080
Speaker 1: I didn't need that. That was too much. That was over.

1146
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:33,840
Speaker 1: I'd have been barking for real. Get at me doors

1147
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:36,559
Speaker 1: onto my joint store. I ain't gonna hold you. If

1148
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:39,880
Speaker 1: you can go back and relive one moment in your

1149
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:47,120
Speaker 1: basketball career, Which moment would it be? And why when

1150
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 1: I hit the ship the shot Verst. Atlantic versus Temple

1151
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 1: championship that was for the chip, that was for the championship,

1152
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:59,240
Speaker 1: wasn't it? Why when I picked that time because the

1153
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 1: significance to win. We gotta win and go to the

1154
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:06,080
Speaker 1: n C Double A tournament. YE used to look sweet

1155
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:08,600
Speaker 1: in them, a little baby blue and white uniforms. I

1156
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:12,000
Speaker 1: think all of all of all the hard times I

1157
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:16,599
Speaker 1: went through as a youth. Right there, I let out.

1158
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 1: I couldn't even stand up after that mother fucking show.

1159
01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:21,680
Speaker 1: I couldn't give it, give me the don't even do

1160
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:24,920
Speaker 1: the press conference. I let all lot of emotions now

1161
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:28,240
Speaker 1: and I was humbly, but I was the man. That

1162
01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:31,760
Speaker 1: was my moment. You feel what I'm saying? And then

1163
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:35,759
Speaker 1: the aftermath of that game. Get back to the hotel,

1164
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:39,080
Speaker 1: the whole state of Rhode Island. I opened the door

1165
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:41,759
Speaker 1: to the hotel, the whole state of Road Island going crazy.

1166
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:49,000
Speaker 1: Last question, bro, your answer. You have to help us

1167
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:52,840
Speaker 1: with your answer to this question. All right, who would

1168
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:54,240
Speaker 1: you like to see on our show? Who would you

1169
01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:57,200
Speaker 1: like to see on all the smoke that haven't been already.

1170
01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:03,880
Speaker 1: I had car Gard here. Yeah we k yeah, yeah,

1171
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:09,920
Speaker 1: of course you're about to get big fella. I did

1172
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:15,920
Speaker 1: get a big fella tomorrow, did he that's my guy?

1173
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:18,280
Speaker 1: Hold up, let's talk. You know you remember I'm gonna

1174
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:24,679
Speaker 1: just put this out there. You said who I wanted

1175
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:31,240
Speaker 1: to be, like Magic Johnson off the size basketball will

1176
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:37,160
Speaker 1: be puff daddy man, moguls everything. I know what smells good,

1177
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:39,880
Speaker 1: I know what looks fly, I know it tastes good.

1178
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:46,080
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I'll do now he's superslid.

1179
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:51,240
Speaker 1: I remember when I the first night after George floor

1180
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:54,680
Speaker 1: Don had to do an interview on CNN, Like ten

1181
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:56,559
Speaker 1: minutes before the interview. I never told the story. Ten

1182
01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:58,920
Speaker 1: minutes for the interview, my face. I get a FaceTime

1183
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:01,960
Speaker 1: from another California Now I don't know, so I answered,

1184
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:05,120
Speaker 1: I get a Texas did it and I faced time

1185
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:08,200
Speaker 1: and it was just like a pregame speech. It's your

1186
01:13:08,280 --> 01:13:10,760
Speaker 1: biggest moment in your life. Every black person in the

1187
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:13,280
Speaker 1: world counting on you know you. You was built for it.

1188
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:15,080
Speaker 1: I know you're gonna say the right things. I just

1189
01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:17,800
Speaker 1: want to give you some encouragement, and that meant the

1190
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:19,280
Speaker 1: world to me. For him to reach out to me,

1191
01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:20,800
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, doing that moment, that's something

1192
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:22,519
Speaker 1: I needed. So that is a real and shout out.

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01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:25,840
Speaker 1: Did it? Man? I think closing man, we just want

1194
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:27,519
Speaker 1: to thank you. Let you know we love you man,

1195
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:30,320
Speaker 1: Thank you, Bro. I love you more and I love

1196
01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:32,720
Speaker 1: everybody out there for loving me. You know. It's a

1197
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 1: great thing, you know, Mac, I said, to get a

1198
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:36,400
Speaker 1: chance to know you and then see the stuff that happens,

1199
01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:39,519
Speaker 1: it's just like damn. But I mean you've always been

1200
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:42,640
Speaker 1: a great dude with a great heart, and I think that,

1201
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:45,519
Speaker 1: like you said earlier, that's why you're still here. I mean,

1202
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:51,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest like I'm still Yeah. It's a

1203
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:53,160
Speaker 1: blessed position to be in, just you know what I'm saying,

1204
01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:59,720
Speaker 1: to be um trying to find out you know while

1205
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:08,040
Speaker 1: you you vibe, but it could also be frustrating. It's

1206
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 1: a blessing to have a testimony because some people never

1207
01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:13,560
Speaker 1: been through other here at times it could be frustrating.

1208
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:16,680
Speaker 1: Down we're doing together, you know what I mean. We

1209
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:22,240
Speaker 1: got the lamar Odom documentaries coming to showtime. Yea, that's it.

1210
01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:24,280
Speaker 1: That's big. We're gonna get some ship together, man. But

1211
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:25,760
Speaker 1: we just want to say, man, like I said, you've

1212
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:26,920
Speaker 1: been through it. You've a hell of a road, but

1213
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:28,960
Speaker 1: you're here for a real reason man. And you always

1214
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:31,160
Speaker 1: got two brothers here. You know that. And we love

1215
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:36,720
Speaker 1: you man, Love you, bro. That's a wrap all the

1216
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:40,640
Speaker 1: smoke with our special guest, Lamar Odor. Let's do it.

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