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Speaker 2: Look at us now, tip to tip.

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Speaker 3: This is our.

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Speaker 2: Life, this is our passion. That's the spirit we bring

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Speaker 2: to this show. I'm Luke Thomas, I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: This this Morning Combat. It is Wednesday, November fourth, twenty twenty,

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Speaker 1: and it is time everyone for me to declare that

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Speaker 1: I am not President of the United States. In fact,

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Speaker 1: I'm not even sure who's going to be. But I

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Speaker 1: know this right now, I don't really care. I'm here

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Speaker 1: to talk about Morning Combat. I'm here to help host

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Speaker 1: it alongside the gentleman on the other side of the screen.

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Speaker 1: He is my hetero life, made the conspiracy to my theory.

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Speaker 1: We are both from CBS Sports. It is the one

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Speaker 1: and only BC. Brian Campbell, how are you doing?

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Speaker 2: Good, sir Dylan, You son of a bitch. Don't you

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Speaker 2: dare try to talk about me? Luke, you might be

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Speaker 2: the most famous man in North America for at least

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Speaker 2: these forty eight hours right now, fresh off the jetliner

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Speaker 2: from the Joe Rogan bubble in Texas. Congratulations, my friend.

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Speaker 1: Thanks, it was fun. It was a good time. We'll

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Speaker 1: talk a little bit about it, but we've also got

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Speaker 1: a lot of the show to get. So we've got

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Speaker 1: Bellatoor two fifty one tomorrow. We've got some news and

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Speaker 1: notes around social justice. Wednesday, a lot of folks beefing

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Speaker 1: on social media. We'll talk about that. Are we doing

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Speaker 1: fan art today as well? I think we are.

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Speaker 2: And it's also sorry to interrupt you in NJW I

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Speaker 2: no Jay Wednesday. So a lot of people, especially coming

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Speaker 2: off of Jay's close up in your Absence on Monday,

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Speaker 2: a lot of people looking forward to today's show.

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Speaker 1: How was Jay's monotone delivery of bad zingers on Monday?

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Speaker 2: It's very similar to his music career. It's interesting, you know,

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Speaker 2: to never show this man again. He's jumped. We have

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Speaker 2: jumped the shark with him in your face. But but

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Speaker 2: just like the election, a lot of late mail in

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Speaker 2: votes coming in. Hey, there's a connection. There's a type

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Speaker 2: of person out there. There's some one for everyone. Luke

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Speaker 2: who really enjoyed you know, the the the alternative which

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Speaker 1: All right, well, I watched some of it. You know,

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Speaker 1: the thing about Jay is off the air, he's much

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Speaker 1: played some of his like right. Bit. I mean, I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure what to tell you figure out a solution.

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Speaker 1: Although if you need some sound sand a pound home Depot.

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Speaker 1: Home Depot is a wonderful place to buy some sand.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure throwing weights around your front yard will

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Speaker 2: turn that grass into sand pretty soon. So it would

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Speaker 2: be my dream in life, by the way, to keep

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Speaker 2: walking and not stop when you're out there and your

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Speaker 2: wife beater. But uh yeah, Luke, yeah, I think you

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Speaker 2: nailed all the all the big hits there. I don't

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Speaker 1: Right, We're good, no, no, So we want to do

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Speaker 1: I just thought quickly with Gervante, you know that's probably

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, we did it. We did an immediate postfight

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Speaker 1: If you actually look at Gravante, he's left handed, but

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the four Horsemen of the boxing Apocalypse. One

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Speaker 2: We gotta figure this out, right, this is gonna be

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Speaker 1: It's a good problem to have. I hope it's one

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Speaker 2: It was a great card. And by the way, uh Rugaru,

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Speaker 2: is which is probably the most important win this you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's not. It shouldn't be. I mean you

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Speaker 1: should have multiple fights in a campaign to get it.

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Speaker 1: But that's a little bit harder to do in boxing

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Speaker 1: and beyond that, to beat the guy you beat, given

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Speaker 1: the expectation to have that many titles afterwards, right as

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Speaker 1: a consequence of this unification process, I think you would

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Speaker 1: multiple wins than that, who accumulated that kind of a

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Speaker 1: reasons you articulated. But that's such a standout victory, and

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Speaker 1: it's such a grown man performance, and it's such a

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Speaker 1: though what he'd been doing was pretty interesting. I don't

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Speaker 2: I don't think anyone in modern history has ever won

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Speaker 2: it off one win. The closest was twenty fifteen when

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Speaker 2: Floyd won it for the many Pacquiao win, and then

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Speaker 1: Okay, last, but not least, I got to spend wow

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Speaker 2: Did you sample what Austin has to give you? The food,

428
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Speaker 2: the music, the weirdness? Or was this just plane dropped

429
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Speaker 2: you off at the Joe Rogan stable and you were

430
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Speaker 2: out of there now more or.

431
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Speaker 1: Less that So I took a I flew in Sunday night,

432
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Speaker 1: and he gave me the address of the studio. So

433
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Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure the hotel I stayed in

434
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Speaker 1: was pretty close to it, and so I tried to

435
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Speaker 1: find someplace that was like close to the studios but

436
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Speaker 1: not too far from the airport, which I managed to do.

437
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Speaker 1: In fact, my hotel was very very close to the studios. Oh,

438
00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:03,600
Speaker 1: we had to be there at twelve thirty local time.

439
00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,480
Speaker 1: I got up, you know, studied some stuff that I

440
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Speaker 1: wanted to make sure I had good notes on. Went

441
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Speaker 1: over there, got there early, got tested, and by the

442
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Speaker 1: time I got out, it was like five thirty at night,

443
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Speaker 1: you know, because he was a little bit late. So

444
00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,200
Speaker 1: it just went on and on and on, and at

445
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Speaker 1: that point I hadn't eaten. I had like a I

446
00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,200
Speaker 1: had barely eaten anything all day, and I had drink

447
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Speaker 1: all that whiskey, and so I went back to my hotel.

448
00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,920
Speaker 1: This is true. I left half of it there. I

449
00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:30,800
Speaker 1: don't think I ate. I don't think I ate over

450
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Speaker 1: two days, fifteen percent of it. I ordered like forty

451
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Speaker 1: dollars worth of taco bell on Uber Eats, and they

452
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Speaker 1: brought this giant bag of fucking food. And when I

453
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Speaker 1: finally got I kept pulling food out. I'm like, how

454
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Speaker 1: am I'm not gonna eat it. I'm not gonna eat

455
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Speaker 1: any of this. How I'm gonna eat all this? I

456
00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,719
Speaker 1: think I had like two burritos and a taco and

457
00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,199
Speaker 1: then slept in my room early that night, and then

458
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Speaker 1: got up and flew on a bird the next day

459
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Speaker 1: and then that was it.

460
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he probably slept sil gross ants list me meet

461
00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,640
Speaker 2: meat hanging on your meat curtains. That must have been great.

462
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Speaker 2: Oh look, I do have questions though, you know, given Jay,

463
00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:12,560
Speaker 2: given Jay a ron's you know, detailed mixed martial arts,

464
00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,520
Speaker 2: passed his jiu jitsu training under your eyah hall, you

465
00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,840
Speaker 2: met Jamie. I assume can can Jay take Jamie on

466
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Speaker 2: the match?

467
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Speaker 1: You think Jamie has giant feet? He must have a

468
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Speaker 1: size fifteen or sixteen shoe. He has enormous, enormous feet.

469
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Speaker 1: And I look down here, he says, he was sitting

470
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Speaker 1: at the desk. You walk in, and then Jamie sits here,

471
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Speaker 1: and then there's like filing cabinets here, and then the

472
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Speaker 1: studio is right in front of you. And look over

473
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Speaker 1: and I see his feet. And I'm like, and dude,

474
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Speaker 1: by the way, you have seen those like brand new

475
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,520
Speaker 1: macs that are like twenty grand to start the Mac tower.

476
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Speaker 1: They've got three of them, each of them fifty thousand dollars.

477
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Speaker 1: I was like, oh Jesus, anyway, I saw his feet

478
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,040
Speaker 1: over there. I was like, holy shit, man, I didn't

479
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,879
Speaker 1: know you. You know, you did stand up paddle boarding

480
00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 1: on the way to work. Fucking a look at those things.

481
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Speaker 1: He must I'm telling you. The biggest fear he's kind

482
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Speaker 1: of tall, but he looked like very nice guy, a

483
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Speaker 1: little bit of a you know, he had the vibe

484
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,200
Speaker 1: of the dude who did the who wrote on the

485
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Speaker 1: on the skateboard, drinking the cranberry juice. Yeah, and this

486
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,639
Speaker 1: guy who went viral, he's got a bit of that vibe,

487
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So, uh, Jay probably could

488
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Speaker 1: not take him.

489
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Speaker 2: Well. I love the way you just popped for that

490
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,120
Speaker 2: mac Tower. Anybody that doesn't know Luke and haven't hung

491
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:26,960
Speaker 2: out with him, like you ever been in a room

492
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 2: with like legit alpha males, like a plus alpha males,

493
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 2: And when a hot chick walks in, it doesn't matter

494
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 2: who she is, what the situation is, whether their wife

495
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,400
Speaker 2: and family are watching, they they go, They congregate right there,

496
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 2: and it's like flies on the the damn light thing, Luke,

497
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 2: when you enter a room and there's cameras and nerdy

498
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 2: nerdy cameramen and like Johnson Rods and all this weird stuff,

499
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,680
Speaker 2: you're like, is that the Z six twenty eight hundred? There?

500
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 2: I got the same thing in my studio. It's it's interesting,

501
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,119
Speaker 2: it's an interesting character study here, But Luke, I'm not

502
00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,199
Speaker 2: here to insult you. I want to celebrate this rogan thing.

503
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 2: A lot shorter in person than you'd think.

504
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not very tall, but he is Musli. You know,

505
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 1: you put your hand on his back to take the picture.

506
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 1: You could feel the trap, you know, protruding out of

507
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 1: his back. It was funny. He had a couple he had,

508
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 1: uh he had like two or three security guys, and

509
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 1: they were all muscly. They were they were fucking yes,

510
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 1: they were not to be trifled with. And you know,

511
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,959
Speaker 1: I'm guessing it's Texas. I mean they were first they

512
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:27,719
Speaker 1: were very friendly. I mean they were Everyone was very

513
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:29,919
Speaker 1: very friendly. But you know, if someone wanted to get

514
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 1: sideways with him, not me, somebody else, they were.

515
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 2: Got a spinning back. Sever that's pretty nasty too. I'm

516
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 2: sure he could take people out if he had to.

517
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Speaker 1: Well, they don't have to get through these fucking guerrillas first,

518
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 1: let me put it that way. So but in the end,

519
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,440
Speaker 1: everyone was very friend The security guys were friendly, the

520
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 1: testing people were very friendly. Jamie's friendly, Joe's friendly. Like.

521
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 1: It was really a very positive experience and uh, I

522
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 1: got to eat a couple of Brita burritos afterwards. You know,

523
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 1: what can you really complain about? People like you should

524
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Speaker 1: go see downtown Austin and go look at the and

525
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm kind of drunk and old and

526
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 1: I was just gonna have some burritos. So that's it.

527
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,160
Speaker 2: Austin's an incredible city. Luke's final question the most important

528
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 2: one here and again shut out, dude, because this could

529
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 2: blow up your ship. You don't know what's gonna happen.

530
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 2: This is there all corners of the earth seemed to

531
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 2: watch this show or listen to it. What was your

532
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 2: phone like? I mean, look, you got home before it aired,

533
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,120
Speaker 2: so after it aired, after it had its it got

534
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,119
Speaker 2: thrown against the wall. Did you get any surprise people

535
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 2: reaching out to you, d M and you anything stick out?

536
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Speaker 1: Yeah? I had some I won't say any names, but

537
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Speaker 1: I had I had I had some old friends I

538
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 1: had heard from it a while. Some of my family

539
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 1: members were kind of impressed. No exes reached out, which

540
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Speaker 1: I was very happy about.

541
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Speaker 2: You know, Uh's funny because all your exes do live

542
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Speaker 2: in Texas, Luke.

543
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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, like George Strait, a couple of you know,

544
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 1: a lot of folks inside MMA reached out to some

545
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 1: some managers reached out. You know, they sort of took

546
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Speaker 1: inventory of it, but you had had I had twenty

547
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: I had twenty seven messages on WhatsApp, I had a

548
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 1: dozen on text. I had, you know, page of emails

549
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,479
Speaker 1: like it's been. It's been pretty crazy.

550
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Speaker 2: Congratulations and I hope the manager of the stars, the

551
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Speaker 2: biggest one of all. I hope Ali Abdelazi's reached out

552
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 2: to you. I hope that was the case.

553
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: I'll just say lots of them did so. But yeah,

554
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 1: it was great. Everyone who hasn't watched check it out.

555
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 1: We've posted it everywhere. It's not hard to find and

556
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,640
Speaker 1: feedback is welcome. All right, With that in mind, BC,

557
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 1: let's move on now back to business between you and I.

558
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 1: Bellatore too, Fitty one is manyana, good sir. We did

559
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Speaker 1: the way in today you and I on CBS Sports

560
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 1: HQ that went all quite professional. Corey Anderson makes his

561
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Speaker 1: debut for Bellator and he takes on Melvin Manhoff. Now, BC,

562
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 1: this was my point on CBS Sports HQ, which is,

563
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 1: first of all, I'm not sure Melvin should be fighting,

564
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Speaker 1: although the good news is he has said he's only

565
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: got one or two left and he's gonna be done.

566
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Speaker 1: He's forty four years of age. Also, this fight's gonna

567
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Speaker 1: be a two five when really I think Melvin's better

568
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 1: suited for one to eighty five. Be that as it may,

569
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: this is not a fight that Corey should lose. He

570
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 1: said he was happy that there was no audience because

571
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Speaker 1: he can hear his corner so he can get his instructions.

572
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,479
Speaker 1: No problem. He's really excited about that. He's got an

573
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: opponent who should not be able to withstand his pressure

574
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 1: when it comes to takedowns, and he's younger, he is

575
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 1: ranked higher. For all those reasons, he should sail. So

576
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: what is it. Is he going to like meet opportunity

577
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 1: here or is it so many things that shouldn't trip

578
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: him up? Surely the mm A gods will trip him up.

579
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Speaker 2: No, Now, Corey Anderson should cut right through him. Wrestle

580
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 2: ground and pound, use the aggression, use the size, use

581
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 2: the fact that, like you said, Manhoff's dangerous as balls,

582
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 2: and he really is. Like you know, he's on a

583
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 2: two fight win streak. He's fought everyone, he's got sent

584
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 2: to hell, He's sent many more to hell. If Anderson

585
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,479
Speaker 2: f's around, Manhoff can get him out of there, But

586
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 2: you know you'll you'll hear a lot of this if

587
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 2: you watch the Morning Combat interview I did with him.

588
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 2: It's been a crazy year for Corey Anderson, and he's

589
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,880
Speaker 2: learned a lot about himself in not just getting out

590
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 2: of the UFC deal and finally getting paid and getting

591
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 2: the respect he feels that he never got with the UFC,

592
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,199
Speaker 2: and not just surviving that health scare Luke that you know,

593
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 2: we didn't really know about at all the first half

594
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 2: of this year until he finally posted on Instagram about it.

595
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,360
Speaker 2: How he a week after getting knocked out by Blohawitz,

596
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 2: he fell, got a bad concussion, screwed up his face,

597
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 2: had hard issues with bouncing around hospitals, didn't know if

598
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 2: he was going to fight again. He felt. His biggest

599
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,719
Speaker 2: takeaway in that was that he stopped being himself his

600
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 2: last four or five fights in UFC and started to

601
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 2: be and this is in his own words, what the

602
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 2: UFC wanted him to be. And what I took from that,

603
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 2: Luke was he was playing the system. He used to

604
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 2: go into fights looking to just win, not hurt anybody

605
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 2: in cash the check and move on. He was starting

606
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 2: to play that game, and I think you saw it

607
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 2: come out when he accosted John Jones publicly at that

608
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 2: New Jersey card show, which was humorous, that he was

609
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 2: starting to do the trash talk game. He was starting

610
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 2: to go in there like the Johnny Walker fight, which

611
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 2: which turned out well for him, trying to hurt people,

612
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 2: and that's not who he is and who he's about.

613
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 2: So he feels he got a wake up call, you know,

614
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,239
Speaker 2: from above in that you obviously can take that, you know,

615
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 2: with what it's worth in your own eyes. But he's

616
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 2: only thirty one. I know, I think he has we

617
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 2: know he's got a we know he's got a potential

618
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 2: shorter path to the title in Bellator, even though I

619
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 2: do like their light heavyweight division a lot. Right now,

620
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 2: he was pretty close in UFC with that four fight

621
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 2: win streak, then got knocked out. But he's got an

622
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 2: opportunity to reinvounce himself and do it in a manner

623
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Speaker 2: where he's very happy. And this is not the first

624
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 2: guy who's left UFC and just said, look that rat

625
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 2: race is not for me. I want to do it here.

626
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 2: Bater has been very happy. A lot of guys. I

627
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 2: think Corey Anderson is going to thrive here. I think

628
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 2: the endgame potential of him in Vadim Nemkov. You know,

629
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 2: it could be a very good fight as well as

630
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 2: could be Cory against anyone from Bader to Musasi to

631
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 2: Machida and all that. But just in this fight, no,

632
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 2: the odds really tell you a four to one underdog Manhof.

633
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 2: He should be on his back for three and he

634
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 2: should lose cleanly and clearly. I don't expect it to

635
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 2: be extra exciting. I do expect for Corey Anderson, though,

636
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 2: to reinvent himself and be happy with what he sees

637
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 2: Thursday night, seven pm Eastern on the CBS Sports Network.

638
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: I'll say this though, I mean, should it even go

639
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: three rounds? I mean, I don't mean to dismiss Manhoff,

640
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: but if you're Corey Anderson and you're thinking about the

641
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: upper bound limits of his ability, he should be able

642
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: to get the takedown without too much issue. He should

643
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: be able to pass, not all the way, but like,

644
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: let's say to half guard or some other kind of

645
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: comfortable position. He should be able to put him away

646
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: with strikes on the ground. Now on the on the feet,

647
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: that's where things could get a little bit dicey even

648
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: at forty four years of age. I'll say this, I'm

649
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: not gonna call it a failure or something. If Anderson

650
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: goes three rounds, I don't think it's that kind of

651
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: a mismatch exactly, but I will say that, you know,

652
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: if you want to go in there and make me

653
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: believe that you have a chance against Vadeem Nemkov. Like

654
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: if someone told me if adem Nemkov is gonna fight Manhoff,

655
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: I would expect the Nemkov to put it man hoof

656
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: away on the ground or the feet. Quite candidly, Cory

657
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,239
Speaker 1: Anderson needs to do something like that some ten eight

658
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: rounds at a bare minimum, again, just to prove to

659
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: me that, Like, because here's the thing I mean we

660
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: talked about it. Is Vadeem Nemkov the best light heavyweight

661
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: in the world. I don't know, but I would put

662
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: him on the short list at a bare minimum. If

663
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: Cory Anderson is able to look good against Melvin Manhoff,

664
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Speaker 1: get the win, and whether it's next or it's down

665
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: the line, get a fight against Vadem Nemkov and he

666
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: beats him. You have a plausible claim at that point,

667
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: at least for insiders, not for outsiders, but for insiders

668
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: to say you're the best light heavyweight on Earth. I

669
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: just feel like you want to make that case. You

670
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: really want to prove to us that this is the

671
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: thing we should take seriously for your chances anyway, you

672
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: got to go in there and put it on him.

673
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: You really should, especially given some of that strength differential.

674
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 1: So I'm looking for BC personally. I don't know what

675
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: the odds are for this. I know that obviously Corey

676
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: is favored to win. I'm looking for him to stop

677
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: him inside too. I think that's sort of what I'm

678
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: expecting here.

679
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 2: It's certainly in play. I just think with everything that

680
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 2: Corey is trying to be now, which is no stress,

681
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 2: no extra stuff, not worry about the money, not worry

682
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 2: about the fans, not worry about the expectations. Only worry

683
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 2: about that w Luke, Is this a w the only

684
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 2: worry Luke about that? W Right, I'm not talking about

685
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 2: the four election. If he does that, you know he

686
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 2: may end up getting a decision here. It depends on

687
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 2: the fight man who's going to put on the ground.

688
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 2: But look, this fight is about projection for the future.

689
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 2: Obviously it'd be better if he comes out there puts

690
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 2: him away, and then we're like, man, maybe Scott Koker

691
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,959
Speaker 2: should make that Nam call fight next, and you know,

692
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 2: we'll see how that all plays out. Is there anything

693
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 2: else on this card that is tickling your fancy at all?

694
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: Luke? Not a ton of Georgi kar Khanians on it,

695
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: which is fun. He's always good for a tough fight.

696
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: The one that's kind of interesting. You got Tyrol Fortune

697
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: coming back, still of an elite prospects, still see about

698
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: his development.

699
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 2: The one thing I sent to hell Luke by Timothy

700
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 2: Johnson for his first loss.

701
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: So he's got he's got some work to do to

702
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 1: get back where he was. But the one thing that's

703
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: kind of interesting as Austin Vanderford is on this This

704
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: is the husband of Paige van Zant. He's taken on

705
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: Vensius to well, I don't know how you pronounced it.

706
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: In Portuguese it'd be DeJesus, and Spanish is it to Jesus?

707
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: I don't know.

708
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 2: Hey, look I prefer Apple. Other people like Manzana, it's Dijesius.

709
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 2: Look okay, all.

710
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: Right, Well again, I don't know how to speak Portuguese,

711
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: but I'll just say Vanderford for folks have been I realize.

712
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: I mean, the guy is undefeated. He had an undefeated

713
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: amateur run, he's undefeated in the pros. He's been off

714
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,239
Speaker 1: for a little while because of the pandemic. It's not

715
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: been kind to a lot of fighters, but here he

716
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: is back. He's been maintaining a little a little bit

717
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: of activity in the grappling scene, and even then, he

718
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: got some pretty decent wins along the way. He's a

719
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: very good fighter. And this guy he's fighting Dejesius, he

720
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: is not the best opponent I've ever seen, but he's

721
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: far from the worst. In fact, there's only two losses

722
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: or to other top prospects, including Joaquin Buckley along the way,

723
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: and that was only a split decision. So like, he's

724
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: a pretty credible competitor, and I feel like this is

725
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: I would call it not a step up fight, but

726
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: also not stayed EBC, something a little bit in between.

727
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 2: It's not bad, and it could have been worse because

728
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 2: this was a late replacement due to his original opponent.

729
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 2: I think his name is Chris Curtis getting COVID just

730
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 2: the other day, and of course we know Vanderford at COVID.

731
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 2: He had another opponent pull out earlier. I mean he's

732
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 2: been off for a while. You said he's he's won everywhere.

733
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 2: I mean he did take an l in that tattoo

734
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 2: chair unfortunately with the with the all seeing Adams Apple

735
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 2: He's got going on. But no, look, legitimately, he's he

736
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 2: looks legit, you know, whether you like him or don't

737
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 2: like him because of some of the things that he's

738
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,719
Speaker 2: affiliated with outside the cage, like tattoos and PVZ. He

739
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 2: looks legit. So the Belcher middleweight division is not as

740
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 2: deep as some of their other ones. I think this

741
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 2: is a good opportunity for him to make a big statement.

742
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 2: I also like Derek Anderson's reformed a bit at walter Wad.

743
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 2: He's four and one in his last five he looked

744
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 2: exceptional on the scales, Luke, He's gonna be going there

745
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 2: against a decent looking Brazilian fighter. His name is Mota.

746
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 2: What is it Killius Mota who is eleven and two,

747
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,719
Speaker 2: just come off a win in his belat or debut.

748
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 2: But I like everything Anderson said of building up to

749
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 2: this fight, like he was already supposed to show us

750
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 2: at welter Rad who he was. He had to pull

751
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 2: out of the MVP fight, and then he had Paul

752
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 2: Day pull out of fights against him twice in the

753
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 2: last two years. So he's really looking Derek Anderson just

754
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 2: to make a big statement. I know we've seen him

755
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 2: in some lightweight big fights in recent years, but a

756
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 2: couple of names to watch there. As we said, not

757
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 2: too deep a card, but I can't hate on the

758
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 2: seven Eastern start time on Thursday night.

759
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: Luke, I love that would be done by around nine

760
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: pm East Coast time. That's great.

761
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 2: All about the prelimbs by the way, beginning at I

762
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 2: think four forty five pm on cbssports dot com. Yeah,

763
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:39,919
Speaker 2: thank you, that's all. That's all I'm trying to sell

764
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 2: you this week. That's it, okay by my merch, thank.

765
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: You, plenty of sales. And then last one, not least

766
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: for toping on with three. I kind of changed the

767
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: order here, But apologies to the folks on the production side.

768
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,959
Speaker 1: But the question about the Ultimate Fighter, apparently it is back.

769
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: They had a big announcement for it at the Spider

770
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: and Hall card. Let me say something upfront about this,

771
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 1: So the question for UBC is who should coach it?

772
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: Let me say that something up front about The Ultimate Fighter.

773
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: I am not going to watch it. I just don't care.

774
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of things I don't watch that

775
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 1: are perfectly good or that people like, or that you

776
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: may find good for you, that would not necessarily be

777
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: good for me. So when I tell you I'm not

778
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: gonna watch it, I don't say it like defiantly or

779
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: as some kind of like taste maker, shouldn't you like

780
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: what I like? Kind of situation. I'm just telling you

781
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: I've seen there. I've seen it, I've been there, I've

782
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: done it. It doesn't do anything for me. I will

783
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,720
Speaker 1: probably watch the fights right and I'm guessing it's gonna

784
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: air either on ESPN's on one of their smaller channels

785
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: or on ESPN Plus. But that will make fast forwarding,

786
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: you know, relatively easily, and that'll be fine. But however,

787
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,919
Speaker 1: in defense of The Ultimate Fighter, I understand why it's back.

788
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: The regional scene is turned to a basic halt. This

789
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: is some kind of way to keep a little bit

790
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: of the very very top end moving in terms of

791
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: the UFC's recruitment process. Some folks still like it. There's

792
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 1: enough of an audience there to still keep it going,

793
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: especially if it's on a streaming platform where you're not

794
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: taking a lot of bandwidth for live television or for

795
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 1: a broadcast television anyway. And yeah, I mean I think

796
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: that there is. It's just about low cost. You can

797
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: do it pandemic friendly, you know, with with with you know,

798
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,879
Speaker 1: making sure that everyone is quarantine, that kind of a thing.

799
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: The only thing I get to me is in speaking

800
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: about this coach, you know, they're gonna put someone on

801
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: ice for a month after month after month to make

802
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: them be the coaches of this thing, and we have

803
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: to watch the fight on a delay other than what

804
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: it could be working, not for the ultimate fighter, and

805
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: in that sense, not my favorite thing in the world.

806
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, they they've got an opportunity here though, meaning

807
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 2: we've we've called this thing dead a few times, and

808
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be with you. I stopped watching a long

809
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 2: time ago. In fact, you know the reason when I

810
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 2: got sick of the whole, like this is quasi real

811
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,399
Speaker 2: world but not really. I think you know, it hit

812
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 2: a point early on even where we're like, okay, we're

813
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 2: kind of done with this reality formula. Even though obviously

814
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 2: this show was different because you had the fighting element

815
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 2: mixed in. I came back like everyone else for the

816
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 2: Kimbo heavyweight year when you also had Rashad against Rampage.

817
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 2: I came back for the women strawweights that time when

818
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 2: it was sort of like, Wow, the winners are gonna

819
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 2: be the champion. This is unique. We got a new

820
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 2: set of fighters here. I don't know what kind of

821
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 2: gimmick they do, but they're gonna need to get me hooked.

822
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 2: But you know the easiest way to get people hooked, Luke,

823
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 2: is get really big stars who don't like each other

824
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:24,280
Speaker 2: as the coaches. And here's why there's an important season,

825
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 2: not just that they're bringing it back from the dead,

826
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 2: that this is the first time they've got the UFC

827
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 2: arm with it. So here's how you spice it up

828
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,720
Speaker 2: and make it big. Who likes each other the least

829
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 2: among elite fighters that are also stars at this moment

830
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 2: across the UFC besides Connor and Jabib. Your answer is

831
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 2: John Jones and Israel Out of Sonia. So, Luke wil

832
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 2: you and I will be talking later in this show

833
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 2: a little bit deeper on the whole idea of Out

834
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 2: of Sonya against Blahowic in the plus or minuses that

835
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,919
Speaker 2: come with that. If you're a UFC and you want

836
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,720
Speaker 2: to make this thing bang, why are you not going

837
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,280
Speaker 2: Izzy and John and you know, sweetening the pot whatever

838
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 2: for them to want to do this, Push it on

839
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 2: ESPN regular and really make this a big thing. Right now, Luke,

840
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 2: it seems like a no brainer for me. It's not

841
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 2: only a unique fight, but the whole hook of the fight,

842
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 2: outside of the fact that it's two great guys from

843
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 2: separate weight classes, is that they're constantly killing each other

844
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,240
Speaker 2: on social media. Put that in a in a building,

845
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 2: get some really cheap paper cardboard doors, like the kind

846
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 2: Rampage used to rip off with his bare hands, and

847
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 2: just roll the dice. Bro Okay, tell me why I'm wrong,

848
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 2: Tell me anything, Luke, Okay, don't let me be the

849
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,479
Speaker 2: last to know, right, tell me again.

850
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: My only objection. It's not like I'm like, I can't

851
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 1: watch this and be like, Wow, the Mandalorian really should

852
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 1: have had a different storyline here, Like I really care

853
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: about what happens on the show. I don't, you know,

854
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't care, I don't. There was it

855
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: used to be the case that, like, folks, who mean,

856
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,399
Speaker 1: I know you know, Spike back in the day would

857
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: mail MMA bloggers or you know, media folks episodes of

858
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: each week's coming Ultimate Fighter, so you could write it

859
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: and review it, and as soon as it was over,

860
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: when the embargo was over, you could publish it. I

861
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: used to get episodes mailed back when it was like

862
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: really like what would happen on the show was the

863
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: talk of the town, but it's not. And so what

864
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: happens on the show and how guys interact and who

865
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: they recruit, like, to me, this is all fine stuff.

866
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 1: I'm not against it. It's just irrelevant to the larger

867
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: stuff that I would prefer to pay attention to. So

868
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: there's that, and then the only thing I really have

869
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: a gripe is how it affects me, Like what does

870
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: it actually cost me as someone who's not really a viewer.

871
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 1: It's just the delay in getting the fight you want

872
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: because the coaches have to ma an event. You know,

873
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: you had Atasanya sitting there in Vegas and then they

874
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 1: have this announcement, and they didn't announce that ad Asanya

875
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: was going to be a coach, But I wonder if

876
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: they might put Autasanya and Belokhovitch to go maybe Giveblhovich

877
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: a little bit more of a profile, or to do

878
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: the same for Adasanya or I mean again, I don't know.

879
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: I don't know what they're to do. It's just that's

880
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: my only gripe is don't put something that could be

881
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: made right now for very good and easy reasons. Don't

882
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 1: make us wait if we don't have to.

883
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 2: I mean, you could also run out of Suny into Bloho.

884
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 2: It's quicker, like, make that fight happen now, Luke, and

885
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 2: then go right especially if Busy wins, go right in

886
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 2: to production of him and John. I don't know. You're right,

887
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 2: you do sideline people, but you know you bring in

888
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 2: city cockboxing into that. You can really get a good

889
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:28,879
Speaker 2: focus on what they're doing.

890
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 1: Someone for that team, some of them, that team is

891
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: going to take issue with you doing that. I know

892
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: you're mocking me, but for someone who doesn't know, it

893
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 1: might sound like you're mocking them.

894
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 2: No, No, I love, I know. I have a lot

895
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 2: of respect for all those guys. So yeah, but I'm

896
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 2: slid of my dms. Come at me, It's cool whatever, Luke.

897
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 2: Is it not my job to make really bad jokes

898
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 2: on the show? Is that not my job?

899
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: Partly partly, I just don't want you getting more DMS

900
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: from angry fighters who want to kill you, that's all.

901
00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 2: Can they Can they screw this up? Though? Can they

902
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 2: f it up? So we don't care?

903
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're if you're ESPN now they're in

904
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: a better spot now because most of the sports are back, right,

905
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: isn't PAC ten or PAC twelve coming back like this

906
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: weekend or something you got over again and uh and

907
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 1: Stanford and all that stuff. So they're in a much

908
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: better spot than they were before. But even then, if

909
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: UFC compst them and says, hey, we want to bring

910
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: back an Ultimate Fighter, we want to put it on

911
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: your platform, which I'm guessing on some level that's what's

912
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: going to happen here, how do you lose? I mean,

913
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: it's you know, oh what more content that will probably

914
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: do pretty well.

915
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 2: I think you lose if you put it on the

916
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 2: Plus only my take, and if you put potentially non

917
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 2: sexy coaches in there that that aren't like I had, Like, yeah,

918
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 2: you're not going to get Connor most likely, but you

919
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:47,959
Speaker 2: need someone who you're like, I just have to see

920
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 2: what they're going to say and do, right, like I

921
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 2: and I think John and Izzy have that if factor

922
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 2: where I just want to see them, Coach, I just

923
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 2: want to see them on the screen. They're entertaining, they're

924
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 2: they're special. There are champions who aren't special. No disrespect

925
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 2: to you. I don't know if I want to see him,

926
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 2: Coach Luke.

927
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:03,399
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I'm not sure what I would do either.

928
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't mind a mid range poll, but

929
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: like John versus Izzy, I would mind that, you know,

930
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: unless unless that came out and said, all right, we're

931
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: gonna do John versus Yon. Excuse me, we're gonna do

932
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: John version. We're gonna do Izzy versus Yon. And assuming

933
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 1: is he wins, which is no guarantee, but it's the

934
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: same that he does. Uh, then we'll make an Ultimate

935
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: Fighter because you at least get to scratch the Izzy

936
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: itch with whether or not he can get the second

937
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: belt up front, and then it allows some time for

938
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: rumination he goes right into filming right after that. That

939
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: would be I don't know if acceptable, but not the

940
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: end of the world. It's if somehow he gets oh,

941
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: it could have been made on X month now to

942
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 1: be made nine months later by virtue of this whole thing.

943
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: I think that's the only time I'm gonna be like.

944
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 2: All right, final final question. Would you accept don't get

945
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:55,240
Speaker 2: Luke Wednesdays? You could take your thing out and slap

946
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 2: it against the screen. We control. This is my show, Luke. Okay,

947
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 2: Luke Colby versus Jorge? Would you accept that?

948
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I don't think that gets in the way

949
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: of the title picture. Sure, i'd accept that.

950
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 2: Thank you. Now put your thing back in. Thank you.

951
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 2: Don't get so angry, Luke, You're so mad.

952
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: It's like, I know, that's how I live my life. BC.

953
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: I order forty dollars of taco bell and scream at people.

954
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: That's what I do. All right, good friend, take it away.

955
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: Time for the show to continue on your terms.

956
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 2: All right, Yeah, I don't know what that means.

957
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: No I do.

958
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 2: It's SJW. It's a great new topic we have there

959
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 2: it is. There's your graphics. Social Justice Wednesdays. Let's bring

960
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 2: in the honorable Luke Bader Ginsburg. Right, come on in

961
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,720
Speaker 2: and come on down. You're the next contestant on sorting

962
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:46,280
Speaker 2: out the latest social media beefs in combat sports and beyond.

963
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 2: If we find any, let's start here, Luke. We're out

964
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 2: of order already, but I guess we'll go with disorder here. No,

965
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 2: you're on order. Here's the deal. So the WBC tweeted out,

966
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 2: how would vitally clitch Go have done in this heavyweight era?

967
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 2: He was called doctor iron Fist and hears some highlights

968
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 2: of him. You know, he's a Hall of Famer, he's great,

969
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 2: he's the mayor of Kiev or something like that. But

970
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 2: then Tyson Fury responded, because you know he's an active

971
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 2: twet tweeter, thank you, and he's like, I would have

972
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 2: loved to kick his ass. Also because of course, he

973
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 2: outpointed Vladimir Klitschko in twenty fifteen to win three heavyweight titles,

974
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 2: and vladd did not like this Luke. He was back.

975
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 2: He was back with a bang fans. Sadly, it appears

976
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 2: Tyson Fury is abusing his substances again whoa bro. History

977
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 2: shows he goes off the deep end with irrational, sexist, racist,

978
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 2: racial statements. Truth is Klitchko and his ass kick is

979
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 2: fantasy for him. Klitch Go and run ran or dodged,

980
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:51,399
Speaker 2: the rematch is more accurate. Blah blah blah, just something else. Pale,

981
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 2: just say no, Pale. So Luke, here's the deal. Okay,

982
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 2: vladd hasn't fought since twenty seventeen when he went Life

983
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 2: or Death with Anthony Joshua, one of the best, the

984
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 2: best heavyweight fights of this era. Can we actually make

985
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 2: this fight? Can we actually make Tyson Fury against Vladimir

986
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 2: Klitchko for the lineal and WBC Heavyweight Championships the rematch,

987
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 2: knowing knowing Luke that Vladimir I don't know if he

988
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 2: had a bad night of the office or he was

989
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 2: just the wizardry of Fury disarmed him that night. It

990
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:25,399
Speaker 2: was a beautiful performance from Fury, but vlad sense then

991
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 2: fought like a man against aj This actually could be

992
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 2: a badass fight, true or false? Uh?

993
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 1: Fuck? That first fight was not very good. I mean

994
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 1: it was good if you're a technical geek and you

995
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 1: could appreciate some of the you know, intricacies of tactics

996
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: and strategy. But if you're just sitting back kicking your

997
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: feet up, being like, I want some action, I want

998
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 1: some fun, I want some fisticuffs, you gotta go to

999
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 1: the clitch goo. As you mentioned the Joshua fight, you

1000
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: got a lot more of that. Each guy dropping the

1001
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: other one of gazillion times. Do I want to see

1002
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: a fight where Tyson Fury uses all the method of

1003
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: his skill to kind of, you know, work a jab

1004
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: around Clitchgownen. Fuck that. I don't care about that.

1005
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 2: Well, Chris goes mad because they never did get the rematch.

1006
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 2: They signed it, they did a press conference, then Fury

1007
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 2: got fat, and then he went into that that state

1008
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 2: of bolivion, as Mike Tyson would say, where he did

1009
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 2: drugs and had depression and all that. Klisch goes in

1010
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 2: his early forties. He's in insanely good shape online. And

1011
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 2: he also, you know, he broke apart with Hayden paneteer Luke,

1012
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 2: So you know, sometimes divorced men do their best art

1013
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 2: when they have something to prove.

1014
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: Right, she's on the market, Is that right?

1015
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:33,919
Speaker 2: It seems so. I don't know what he's I don't

1016
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 2: know what he's tagging out there, but you know, no

1017
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,439
Speaker 2: comeback there from Fury. Are you gonna give the wind

1018
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 2: to Flat here?

1019
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 1: I'll give the online wins of lad because it was

1020
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: vicious enough, but I don't care about seeing the fight.

1021
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 1: I'll put it that way. So all the technical grounds

1022
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: judgment goes to the defendant here all right.

1023
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,760
Speaker 2: Let's move on to the next chapter in the Social

1024
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 2: justice this week. I have no idea which one's coming next. Oh,

1025
00:46:59,120 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 2: here we go.

1026
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 1: Look in.

1027
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 2: Response to everything Deontay Wilder put out when he broke

1028
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 2: his silence, we went over this on Monday. You and

1029
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 2: Joe Rogan went over it as well. From the standpoint

1030
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 2: of him blaming everybody for his loss, he thinks Brilin

1031
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 2: puts stuff in his drink. He thinks we got all

1032
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 2: this problem. Retired former junior middleway champion E J. Smith,

1033
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 2: who is the realist, I love me so miche on Twitter,

1034
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 2: he wrote, this is an all time low. Never have

1035
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 2: a scene a fighter go this low. First, he followed

1036
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 2: the Glovegate cronies. Now he's saying Brilin spiked the water.

1037
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 2: I'm done. One thing in common that many people say

1038
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 2: is that Mark is a class act. Unbelievable. It didn't

1039
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 2: stop there, Luke, Okay, he kept coming. All right, can

1040
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 2: we keep going? Thank you? He said. If there was

1041
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 2: an egg weight inside the glove, as Wilder said, what's

1042
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 2: protecting Tyson Fury's hands and knuckles? That weight would do

1043
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 2: severe damage on impact every time a punch was landed.

1044
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 2: The raps wouldn't be enough for protection next slide bet.

1045
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 2: In this game decades, never heard or seen an excuse

1046
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 2: as absurd as this one. I thought the costume was

1047
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 2: the worst. Boy, was I wrong? And I think we

1048
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 2: got one more. There's like a ten tweet rampage here.

1049
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 2: He responded to somebody and said, keep making excuses for

1050
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 2: the most ridiculous excuses in the history of boxing. Not

1051
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 2: about me. I did everything I wanted in the sport.

1052
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah, never had one excuse. So before I

1053
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 2: bring it to you here, Luke, I'll give you Shay credit.

1054
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 2: He has no excuses. He wears his heart and life

1055
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 2: on his sleeve. Do you remember when he beat Cornelius

1056
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 2: Bundreds to win his world title. He became the first

1057
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 2: Vegas born fighter in boxing history to win a belt.

1058
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 2: He sobbed deliriously on showtime. I mean this guy. He

1059
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 2: also was a Mayweather fighter who wasn't afraid to go

1060
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 2: at Mayweather publicly, and you know, in say when things

1061
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 2: were wrong. So he's the realist. But Luke, the one

1062
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 2: counter I want to make for Wilder is this, tell

1063
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 2: me if I'm crazy. A lot of people this week

1064
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 2: on Twitter did go back and look at history. While

1065
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 2: they're not the first to play the blame game. George

1066
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 2: Foreman blamed everything from the ropes to being drugged to

1067
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 2: everything in his loss to Muhammad Ali and the Rumble

1068
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 2: in the Jungle. Even Vled Klitschko and the Fury loss

1069
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 2: had some weird blames publicly where he said I think

1070
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 2: somebody put something in my drink, and Tonio Tarvor when

1071
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 2: he lost to Bernard Hopkins famously said he thought he

1072
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 2: was drugged. Are we making too much of this or

1073
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 2: is this really some of the worst shit you've seen

1074
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 2: by an elite badass who just cannot take the.

1075
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:29,399
Speaker 1: L Well, I've actually looked into this before. How many

1076
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: times has there been a proven case of somebody's drink

1077
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 1: being spiked in some kind of competition where they could test.

1078
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 1: There actually was a case out of Japan where a

1079
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: guy tested positive for something and thought he was spiked

1080
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: and was able to prove it, and it was a rival.

1081
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,359
Speaker 1: It was in the canoeing team in the Olympics, and

1082
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 1: it was a rival canoer who wanted him off the

1083
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: team so he could take his spot, and they were

1084
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: able to prove it because the guy had text messages

1085
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: that were threatening and then they eventually, under questioning from

1086
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: this guy, they got him to admit it. So there

1087
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: are cases historically where it has happened. The problem with

1088
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: Deontay Wilder is one it doesn't account for just the

1089
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 1: bad performance. Like you watch the technique, you know that

1090
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,839
Speaker 1: you could say whatever you want about things that affected him,

1091
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: but there's just judgment issues that go along with how

1092
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:24,800
Speaker 1: he was purposely strategizing around the fight number one, number two.

1093
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: It wasn't like he came out and was like, here's

1094
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: what went wrong. He came out, he was like, Okay,

1095
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 1: it was the costume and then some time passes, and

1096
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: then it's Eggwites, and then some time passes and then

1097
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 1: it's Brieland and then some time passes or the glove thing.

1098
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:39,399
Speaker 1: The glove thing, I don't even think he brought up

1099
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 1: someone like brought it up online and some some kind

1100
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: of conspiracy and he went along with it. And it's like,

1101
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 1: there's this inability to just recognize, dude, you got this

1102
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 1: far because you have maybe one of the most devastating

1103
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: right straits and right crosses in all of boxing history.

1104
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: And that has been so devastating that even in fights

1105
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: where you clearly behind, like in the Luis Ortez rematch,

1106
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 1: you still were able to win no matter what. However,

1107
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: against a super elite technician in the way that Tyson

1108
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 1: Fury is an underrated athlete as well. With a restrategize,

1109
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: new training, you know, situation going on, this was just

1110
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 1: never going to be enough. There's just no acknowledgment of

1111
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 1: what you know. Okham's razor pretty clear clearly tells you

1112
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,879
Speaker 1: what it is and when you And here's what really

1113
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: gets you BC. Even if you wanted to say, is

1114
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 1: it plausible that some of these other things happen? And

1115
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:35,320
Speaker 1: I do think if you had a big, heavy ass costume,

1116
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: did it help you? Probably not? Probably didn't help you,

1117
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: did you? Maybe you know, watch those videos and get suspicious.

1118
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 1: Maybe here's the thing about it. You dismissed from your team.

1119
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 1: The guy who your own manager brought in as the

1120
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 1: voice of sanity and the high level trainer, and the

1121
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: guy who saved you by throwing the towel. That's now

1122
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: the individual you are accusing of malfeasance in the case

1123
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 1: I just told you about from Japan with a canoeer,

1124
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 1: they had threatening messages from a guy who clearly had

1125
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: an incentive to take his spot. What the fuck is

1126
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 1: Mark Brilin's incentive here, other than to help out the

1127
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: fighter and do the job of the cornerman that he took.

1128
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,760
Speaker 1: You know, signed a form and it got a license

1129
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: to do nothing. He has no incentive, and in fact, for

1130
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:31,879
Speaker 1: his actions, he was rewarded with unemployment and now being

1131
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: dragged through the mud. So none of the conspiracies carry

1132
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:39,479
Speaker 1: much evidence, nor does the narrative about why Brelan would

1133
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 1: do this make any fucking sense at all. You know,

1134
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: I like Deontay Wilder as a person. You and I

1135
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: have interviewed him a number of times. He's a great

1136
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: interview I don't think he's a dumb guy. But he

1137
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,280
Speaker 1: could not have handled this loss worse.

1138
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 2: No, he's handled it poorly, and I and I you know,

1139
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 2: ranted on Monday that I would have respected it more,

1140
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 2: even though it looks bad when you make excuses. Again,

1141
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 2: if the excuses were centered on his arm injury, which

1142
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 2: was legitimate, or the idea that Fury's hands slit purposely

1143
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 2: being slipped out of the glove, which I don't know.

1144
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 2: Those videos tell me it's not impossible. Right, it did

1145
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:15,919
Speaker 2: happen once in the past, but no, in theory, it's

1146
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 2: all bullshit. But knowing now seeing so many people research

1147
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 2: and come back and be like, guys, we've been seeing

1148
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:24,359
Speaker 2: excuse making on this level for a long time, Luke,

1149
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 2: maybe that's just for some people. How you protect that

1150
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,800
Speaker 2: thing that needs to be there, that core of invincibility,

1151
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:36,479
Speaker 2: that thing that no one can actually beat me straight up, man,

1152
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 2: demand they stole it. They took it from me. We

1153
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 2: all go into something. Look, look, look you get fired tomorrow.

1154
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 2: There will probably be in some denial for a while.

1155
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 1: You know.

1156
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 2: You might be like man, CBS wors never gave me

1157
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 2: a fair shake, those bitch asses, right, No, bro, like

1158
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 2: you might.

1159
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1160
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 2: It might be true, it might not so I think

1161
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 2: in some degree, like we can come out and say

1162
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 2: it was lame. But you can only push so far,

1163
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 2: like these guys to go in there and be a

1164
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 2: heavyweight champ. You gotta be a badass, right, Sometimes you

1165
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 2: may need to do this to continue the brainwashing that

1166
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 2: nothing has changed, you're still the same guy, when the

1167
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 2: truth is he got his ass handed to him by fury,

1168
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 2: egg weights, slipped gloves, weird costumes, injured arms or not.

1169
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:22,240
Speaker 2: So I really wish they would have made this trilogy

1170
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 2: already because it's it seems useless now for a while

1171
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 2: they're to say, I'm gonna assumee you to make this

1172
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 2: fight happen. If Aaron in Fury are right that that

1173
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 2: window has closed, the only talking you can really do,

1174
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:36,319
Speaker 2: Luke is schedule another fight and knock somebody the hell out, right.

1175
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 2: That's the only talking left.

1176
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 1: And also, Smith has never made an excuse that I

1177
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: can remember for a loss in his career, and he's

1178
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 1: taken some he's taken you know, a lot of times

1179
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 1: he was trying to step up and he couldn't do

1180
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,439
Speaker 1: it against a better opposition. I don't recall him going

1181
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,439
Speaker 1: out and accusing people of poisoning him.

1182
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's why when when he's making these clas

1183
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 2: like it's one thing for Keyboard Warrior BC to make that,

1184
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 2: but uh making that, I mean, he's the real dude.

1185
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 2: On the first season of The Contender, remember that class

1186
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 2: Sergio Mora, Peter Manfredo, and yes, like Mora, he made

1187
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 2: it all the way to the title. Love, we got

1188
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 2: one more for you this week, Luke. This is a

1189
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 2: fantastic fight. I believe it's December fifth when the UFC

1190
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 2: gives us that bantam weight till. I don't know if

1191
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 2: it's official yet, but Pieltre Yon and al Jamain Sterling. Luke,

1192
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 2: what if Jake Hager was here, we'd be talking about

1193
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 2: the phoners that we have underneath this desk. Correct, Yes, yeah,

1194
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 2: rock hard with emotion over this fight. Okay, Well they're

1195
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,959
Speaker 2: heating it up on Twitter. Here's Al Joe saying, heading

1196
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 2: back home to beautiful Vegas, I'll be finishing up camp.

1197
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 2: I look forward to a beautifully violent battle with at

1198
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 2: Peter Jan UFC. I can assure you I will set

1199
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:48,760
Speaker 2: a high pace and someone will have to consciously decide

1200
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 2: to break fair enough and new all that here comes, Peyo, Tray, Luke,

1201
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 2: your quote high pace won't break nobody except yourself. Your

1202
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 2: strikes not precise or strong enough. When I will hit you,

1203
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,360
Speaker 2: I will hurt you. When you go reaching for my legs.

1204
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 2: You will be lying Tanning just like as graam Wow

1205
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 2: tanning under those big lights.

1206
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: Luke.

1207
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:12,320
Speaker 2: Yes, God, poor.

1208
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 1: Ass just getting just torn up. But he's not even

1209
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 1: doing anything.

1210
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:19,760
Speaker 2: Al Joe comes back. Just don't get taken down, brother,

1211
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 2: I know you're strong and won't tap, so you'll go

1212
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 2: to sleep. Leave your anchors. I'll leave you on crutches.

1213
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 2: Leave your armor's shoulder. You'll have trouble showering with one arm. Wow,

1214
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 2: we're getting pretty good here. You need the ko to win.

1215
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 2: I have a few ways to win. Good luck. We

1216
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 2: got an interesting back and forth here at the at

1217
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 2: the witness stand. Luke okay, Pyotra says, go put your

1218
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,800
Speaker 2: mask back on and shut up. Luke. That's a counter

1219
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 2: right hand right there, right.

1220
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 1: I don't know who does this, guys, because I don't

1221
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 1: think he speaks English like this. I don't know who

1222
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: does this guys. Social media tayst something. You take a

1223
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: swing at the King, you best not miss because old

1224
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 1: p O Tray he will tear your ass up.

1225
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 2: Well, I'll came back with I know. You know I'm

1226
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 2: dangerous on the ground. That's why you went to Dagistan

1227
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 2: to wrestle. You punch with good power and falling over

1228
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 2: against guys who can't switch up. December twelfth, Oh sorry,

1229
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 2: I had the date wrong. December twelfth. You won't be

1230
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 2: able to guess what I'm doing going to hit you

1231
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 2: with Keep training because I'm common for you, which is

1232
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 2: a lot different than when after Aljoe beat Corey Sanhagen

1233
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 2: he said, Peyotre, I'll be coming on you. That did happen.

1234
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 2: That did happen yet. Well, then a fan called Sterling

1235
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 2: a class act and he said, Peter knows I'm a

1236
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:37,959
Speaker 2: tough fight, and I know Potre is a tough fight.

1237
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, someone has to lose.

1238
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 2: And that's just the sport. Blah blah blah. That's all boring. Yeah,

1239
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 2: there's more, it's all. It's all kind of boring there, luke. Uh.

1240
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:53,959
Speaker 2: Basically we end with yeah, why you care what people think?

1241
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 2: And then Al Joe goes a real student of the game,

1242
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 2: becomes his opponent to understand the ways he can win.

1243
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 2: Good luck safely and see you soon. I'll bring bears

1244
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 2: to your room and we can talk about how I

1245
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 2: did it. So look, that's the end of it. Who

1246
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 2: won the war online? And are you feeling any direction

1247
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 2: on who's gonna win this fight? Because I love thee

1248
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 2: That fight is fantastic.

1249
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what, I'm gonna go with Pio

1250
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 1: Trey Pyotrur because his things are just you know, a

1251
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 1: thing of beauty. However, however, I will say in my

1252
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 1: defense of al Jo, I like how much confidence he has,

1253
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 1: you know. I like that he's coming in there and

1254
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: understanding he's challenge and this is mma and lots of

1255
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 1: things could go wrong, and in fact, maybe they will.

1256
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 1: You never know, but this is the most I've ever

1257
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 1: seen al Jamaine really believe that only can he win

1258
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 1: a fight, of course, but it's more than just a fight,

1259
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 1: as you know, it's an opportunity. It's an opportunity to

1260
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 1: claim a title in one of the not the market

1261
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 1: division in terms of what the casual fan though. But

1262
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 1: it has maybe the best division that ever made, one

1263
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 1: of the most entertaining, one of the most difficult by

1264
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:07,479
Speaker 1: any measurement. And I think at this point he really

1265
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 1: believes the ways she sees that opportunity. He's been confident

1266
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: to win fice, but it was he confident enough to

1267
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 1: say I'm the best bands went on Earth. Now he's

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00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 1: pretty confident in that. And so did he did he

1269
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 1: win the battle online of playing the dozens with one? No?

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00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 1: He did not. He did not do that. But did

1271
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: he show me something that it makes me even more high?

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00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 1: For December twelfth, yes, he did, absolutely did do that.

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00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 2: He did, he did, and obviously you know that only

1274
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 2: means so much. It's what happens in the cage. Although

1275
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 2: I do get down for this kind of SJW stuff. Uh,

1276
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 2: you know, I think we could see we could see

1277
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 2: a pinball match here. We can see five rounds of

1278
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 2: just scraping, standing rolling like this. This could be a

1279
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 2: special fight, Luke, And I really don't know yet who's

1280
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 2: gonna win. And I love that. I love that because Luke,

1281
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 2: you did not expect al Jo to do that to

1282
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 2: Corey stan Hagen the way he did. None of us did.

1283
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 2: So I'm glad al Jo didn't get passed over. Whoever

1284
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 2: wins this is gonna have plenty of big names knocking

1285
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 2: on their door. That's what we love about the one

1286
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 2: three five division at the moment. Hey, Luke, let's transition

1287
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 2: away from social justice since you've been painted very often

1288
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 2: as a as a SJW left warrior.

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Speaker 1: Luke, Yeah, bye bye, fucking morons.

1290
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 2: But yeah, okay, okay, that's fair, that's fair. You know.

1291
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 2: Let's go on over to our deep dive of the week, Luke,

1292
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 2: and it surrounds the whole idea of champ champ status,

1293
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 2: and if Dana White's words from last Saturday Night are true,

1294
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 2: we will be seeing Israel ata Sonya your Middleway champion

1295
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 2: in his next fight, moving up to face Yon Blohoic

1296
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 2: Champ versus Champ at two oh five. We just happened

1297
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 2: to have Corey Anderson this week on Morning Combat. You

1298
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 2: remember he just got knocked out by Blohoit's and a

1299
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 2: fight that could have gotten him one step closer to

1300
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 2: a title shot. I asked his reaction to UFC booking

1301
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 2: it this way? Can we play the audio that you've

1302
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 2: been following it since you left the UFC, but the

1303
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 2: division you left has gone through Upheople. John Jones gives

1304
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 2: up the belt. Jon Blohowitz, the guy you just fought,

1305
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 2: wins it now. Dana White saying Israel lot of Sonia's

1306
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 2: gonna move up and fight blaho its Uh? Does this interesting?

1307
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 1: It all?

1308
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 2: See how it plays out? Or is it all behind

1309
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 2: you now?

1310
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 3: One thing I see form is one and other than

1311
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 3: that is I left for the right reason because it's

1312
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 3: a lot of other guys in the two o five

1313
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 3: division right now that could be fighting for that belt.

1314
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 3: But the fact that they're going to put the one

1315
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 3: eighty five or whether't have any fights at two o

1316
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 3: five to fight for the title is about it's about

1317
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 3: making money and not in it for who's the best

1318
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 3: mixed martial artist. They're in it for what's gonna make

1319
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 3: us the most money. As for I feel bellatoris who

1320
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 3: is the best fighter in that weight class. You know,

1321
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 3: they just had Mussasse and Lima fight, but that was

1322
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 3: for the intern belt and both of those guys of

1323
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 3: champ and they were or was a champ but he

1324
01:01:58,200 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 3: lost to the former champ.

1325
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 1: My brother Lima podcast Who's Who?

1326
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 3: And everybody already and there was really nobody else at

1327
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 3: eighty five.

1328
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 1: You know, the eighty five everything else.

1329
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 3: Hasn't been anybody solidify like, oh I deserve the next

1330
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 3: title shot yet, But that's for one seventy.

1331
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 1: There is. You got Michael Fan.

1332
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 3: The Page, you got the Wrens Larking, you got all

1333
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 3: these different guys of seventy, but at eighty five it's

1334
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 3: kind of like you got Musasi. It's like, okay, what else?

1335
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 3: Who else? Who else is dominating nobody? So Lima was like, okay,

1336
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 3: let's give Lima a shot. Because you go to two

1337
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 3: of five uh he John just beat Domino Crags. You

1338
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 3: got the YEARI Kids, you got Global stix share, you

1339
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 3: got Marazza, and those guys gonna fight next this weekend.

1340
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 3: So why would you book a title fight against the

1341
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 3: eighty five to fight for a two A five belt

1342
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 3: when you got two guys fighting for title contention this

1343
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 3: week So you make the date a day ago or

1344
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 3: four days before the title contention fight. So now these

1345
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 3: guys are gonna fight, and then where do they go.

1346
01:02:57,680 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 3: They gotta wait until jan and easy fight.

1347
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 1: I guarantee you.

1348
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 3: If y'all fight, yeah, or y'all loses, he gets a rematch.

1349
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 3: So they gotta wait, and they gotta go fight Yearie

1350
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 3: or Evoking or somebody way down the list. And if

1351
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 3: they lose, you're like me, you have push all the

1352
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 3: way back to the line and they're gonna have to

1353
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:15,439
Speaker 3: start off and they get frustrated. And that was kind

1354
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:18,640
Speaker 3: of like, I'm gonna go somewhere where I get my

1355
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 3: worth and it's not so much of a politic game.

1356
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 1: You win, you move up. I love it.

1357
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:25,960
Speaker 2: I love it. Looking forward to seeing your debut Thursday

1358
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 2: night seven Eastern CBS Sports Network when you take on

1359
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 2: the hard hitting legend Melvin Man who if Corey Anderson,

1360
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 2: It's been a pleasure, sir, wish you the best of

1361
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 2: luck on this new change.

1362
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 1: Thank you, sir.

1363
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:42,919
Speaker 2: Well, look you heard Corey Anderson's response there basically saying

1364
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 2: UFC is, you know, playing favorites, trying to make stars.

1365
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 2: Obviously we know both of our stances. It's their rankings.

1366
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 2: They can do whatever they want. They don't need to

1367
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 2: respect it. But look, I wanted to deep dive with

1368
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 2: you this week on the whole idea of Champ Champ.

1369
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 2: Does it still matter whether you're two division champion on

1370
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 2: your resume, a separately like a BJ Penn or a

1371
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:05,919
Speaker 2: Randy Coutur did, or whether you're simultaneous, which we've seen

1372
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 2: to different degrees in recent year. What what's the value

1373
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 2: of it? Does it still hold value? Is? Is he

1374
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 2: deserving of this opportunity right now? How do you surmise

1375
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 2: what we could be heading to next if we get

1376
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 2: Atisanya Blohowitz, Well.

1377
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 1: Every time we get to a situation where we have

1378
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 1: another Shampchamp and another Champ Champ, you know, I'm not

1379
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:29,880
Speaker 1: gonna say it automatically devalues what it means to be Shampchamp,

1380
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 1: it's still a something special. And b you know, when

1381
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 1: Amanda became Shampchamp, I don't think it devalued what I man.

1382
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I think her adding herself to the list

1383
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 1: of it almost made it, you know, even greater by

1384
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 1: by some kind of reflection and inclusion of her inside

1385
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 1: the club. So you know, you want to be careful

1386
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 1: about saying automatically devalues it. But there is that you

1387
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 1: said that if you know you have one shamp Champ

1388
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:57,840
Speaker 1: in the issue or organization versus one hundred, it doesn't

1389
01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 1: mean as much that if one hundred people go to

1390
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 1: a certain milestone versus one, that you know, it's certainly

1391
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 1: a little bit easier to do a lotter than the former.

1392
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:08,959
Speaker 1: So I would say that you're right. First things. First,

1393
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 1: you have to understand it's like, oh, they manipulate the rankings,

1394
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 1: gonna make stars. This is the sausage is made. This

1395
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:17,400
Speaker 1: is why the rankings are not independent. This is why

1396
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 1: the rankings aren't done by the MMAJA. They're not done

1397
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 1: by these associated press that they're not done by anybody else.

1398
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 1: They're done by them. And you know, I don't think

1399
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 1: that they are nefariously underhandedly be you know, cooking it

1400
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:32,480
Speaker 1: up seems bc like argument, I'm trying to catch a

1401
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 1: bunch of serfs. But they're gonna do things that are

1402
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:37,040
Speaker 1: I said it on a Rogan's podcast. They're in a business

1403
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 1: and if they're in control of certain things within their business,

1404
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 1: that they're going to do it in general, not every time,

1405
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:46,840
Speaker 1: but in general to maximize their business goals and potential.

1406
01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 1: And so the rankings serve as part of that in

1407
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:51,800
Speaker 1: some kind of way. And I was related to becoming

1408
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 1: a champion champ and what it all means. Yes, you

1409
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 1: know a billion people get it. It doesn't mean as much. Well,

1410
01:05:56,720 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 1: at some point you become, i think, less this very

1411
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:04,760
Speaker 1: rare club that people eventually reach and more it will

1412
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:07,440
Speaker 1: become a bit of a requirement now that you have

1413
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:10,360
Speaker 1: to have both at the same time per se. But

1414
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 1: that when we have these discussions about areas of all

1415
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 1: time and blah blah blah. You know, the folks who

1416
01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 1: had two titles versus who didn't. It's already been one

1417
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 1: of the dividing lines between the Silvers and the gsps

1418
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:25,920
Speaker 1: and the Johnson's versus that will just be got one.

1419
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:28,080
Speaker 1: But for the longest you know it wasn't the case,

1420
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 1: and then everybody else in Jones two, it's a shifting

1421
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 1: paradigm of greatness. You see, you and I came up

1422
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 1: in m A when you know, getting a belt and

1423
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:40,720
Speaker 1: then accepting every challenger as you saw the post was

1424
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 1: considered to be the most incredible achievement that you could do.

1425
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 1: The longer you could do that for the better it was.

1426
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:47,880
Speaker 1: And I would still say that I think that that

1427
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 1: is harder. I think that's the hardest thing you can do,

1428
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 1: because it is possible on a given night to just

1429
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:55,680
Speaker 1: be better than somebody else, or to just have a

1430
01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 1: favorable mashup or you know whatever. It's easy to go

1431
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 1: up and be not easy, but it's easy. Your excuse me,

1432
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 1: be very careful about that. It's easier to go up

1433
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:07,760
Speaker 1: one time to lightweight and be Eddie Alvarez than it

1434
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 1: is to be Eddie Alvarez and say okay, every one

1435
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 1: of you, now come get a shot. It doesn't, it doesn't.

1436
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:17,600
Speaker 1: One is significantly more difficult than the other. But with

1437
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:20,960
Speaker 1: having two belts like that, it's like carrying two heads

1438
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 1: of two rivals into you know, as a trophy. It

1439
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 1: just seems like it's more and so it's a little

1440
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 1: bit more showy, it's a little bit flashier. It sounds cooler,

1441
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,480
Speaker 1: and I think it gets the future demarcation line of

1442
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:40,720
Speaker 1: greatness as our shifting criteria move in that direction. And

1443
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:42,480
Speaker 1: you have used to really willing to take more liberty

1444
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:45,920
Speaker 1: celebrities with the guys jumping weight classes. It's inevitable, but there's.

1445
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 2: A problem with the bastardization. And this almost sounds reverse

1446
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:53,200
Speaker 2: in saying it, but when your only two division champions

1447
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 2: used to be Randy Katur and BJ Penn, there was

1448
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 2: an aura surrounding that in my mind, Luke, tell me

1449
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:02,160
Speaker 2: if I'm wrong, because under that system of how they

1450
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:06,240
Speaker 2: did it, you had to essentially already establish yourself as

1451
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:09,120
Speaker 2: a legit UFC champion at some point, lose, but then

1452
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:12,960
Speaker 2: reinvent yourself in a new division, specifically Randy right, And

1453
01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:15,800
Speaker 2: it was sort of like, Okay, here's someone who's so great.

1454
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:18,519
Speaker 2: They did it in two different weight classes at two

1455
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 2: different times. Now, off the top of my head, I'm

1456
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:25,280
Speaker 2: not remembering how many you know, qualifying fights each one

1457
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:28,120
Speaker 2: had in the next weight class, but I certainly when

1458
01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:31,400
Speaker 2: you're allowing more people the opportunity to do it like

1459
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:33,799
Speaker 2: we see nowadays with the idea of champ champ. You're

1460
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:37,439
Speaker 2: bastardizing it, and I think it used to be you

1461
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:40,679
Speaker 2: had to be pretty damn established. You couldn't just jump

1462
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 2: from one division to the other and get the title

1463
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:46,240
Speaker 2: shot on day one. Do you feel like, especially given

1464
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:49,760
Speaker 2: the bastardization, that it's almost more and I want to

1465
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 2: say it's almost more impressive to do it the GSP

1466
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 2: way because he did it in two separate stretches and

1467
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:56,800
Speaker 2: he came back in a new way class where he

1468
01:08:56,840 --> 01:09:00,519
Speaker 2: hadn't proven himself. Now even under that, though there's an issue,

1469
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:03,240
Speaker 2: GSP came back and was put right into the title

1470
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 2: shot against the guy who in bisbeing who was kind

1471
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:09,000
Speaker 2: of an accidental champion late in his career. Although I'm

1472
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:12,519
Speaker 2: not saying he's not championship worthy and wasn't necessarily fighting

1473
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:14,479
Speaker 2: the top contenders at that moment, he had a he

1474
01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 2: had a gimme against old Dan Hendo, even though it

1475
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:19,439
Speaker 2: didn't look like a gimme in the cage, and look,

1476
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 2: this was the best case scenario for for GSP to

1477
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:24,880
Speaker 2: do it, but he pulled it off. Do you think

1478
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:27,439
Speaker 2: the old school way of being a champion separate division

1479
01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:30,160
Speaker 2: at separate times is more impressive than just saying, hey,

1480
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:32,639
Speaker 2: Henry Stajudo's looking like he could be a star, let's

1481
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:34,880
Speaker 2: give him a second chance right now. To double down

1482
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 2: on that.

1483
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 1: I mean, here's how you had to do it before.

1484
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:41,160
Speaker 1: It just wouldn't let you have those opportunities. So, for example,

1485
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:45,720
Speaker 1: you mentioned St. Pierre was the world champion for you know,

1486
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:49,960
Speaker 1: the Hughes and uh and the serifis along the way.

1487
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:52,280
Speaker 1: But okay, basically he was champion for a long time,

1488
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 1: goes on sabbatical, comes back and a different weight class

1489
01:09:57,200 --> 01:10:00,160
Speaker 1: one time, wins it and gives it up, right, So

1490
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:02,719
Speaker 1: he didn't. He didn't. There was a sort of break

1491
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:05,519
Speaker 1: in between. Well, that's exactly what happened with Randy Contour,

1492
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:08,400
Speaker 1: and that's exactly what happened with the BJP. BJPN beat

1493
01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:12,120
Speaker 1: Matt Hughes at one seventy and then I think left

1494
01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:14,759
Speaker 1: the organization, went on to K one and blah blah blah.

1495
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:17,960
Speaker 1: And then when he came back to the UFCA, I

1496
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 1: think he fought at one seventy fourth time a year.

1497
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:22,719
Speaker 1: But basically it was until he went to one fifty

1498
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:24,639
Speaker 1: five where he was then able to go and captures

1499
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 1: of the belt, beating Joe Stevens and the Shan Shirk

1500
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:30,080
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah the whole story there. Okay, so

1501
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:32,679
Speaker 1: you had to have these breaks when there was things happy.

1502
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:36,200
Speaker 1: You had to leave a division, take time off or

1503
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:38,320
Speaker 1: whatever it was, and then come back. Randy Torre, same

1504
01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:40,880
Speaker 1: thing loses, Josh Barnett goes and could beats the Wings,

1505
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:43,840
Speaker 1: comes back when the Life Heavyweight title holds it the

1506
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:47,120
Speaker 1: fourth time, loses it, retires, then then comes back after

1507
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:49,280
Speaker 1: a whole year blah blah off. And then then was

1508
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 1: beat Tom Sylvia. So he had these breaks where there

1509
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:55,400
Speaker 1: was just no if you were to the champion, it

1510
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:57,719
Speaker 1: was just assumed whoever it was next to the line

1511
01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:00,160
Speaker 1: that was the guy you were going to fight. You

1512
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:02,720
Speaker 1: could even argue with the UFC and then say, hey,

1513
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 1: you should put me up against whoever was below. They

1514
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:10,200
Speaker 1: wouldn't even entertain it. Now they entertain it. Is that

1515
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:12,559
Speaker 1: the Connor effect him being the first one to hold

1516
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:18,840
Speaker 1: it simultaneously probably something there probably isn't. I think I'll

1517
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:22,640
Speaker 1: say this. I think he probably changed the imagination and

1518
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:26,120
Speaker 1: possibilities of what was possible. They wanted to really capture

1519
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:29,120
Speaker 1: the things that Connor McGregor could do for him. And

1520
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:31,800
Speaker 1: once he knocked on that walls, you know as well

1521
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:34,800
Speaker 1: as I do, that wall became a lot more permeable

1522
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:36,400
Speaker 1: for things to come and go between them.

1523
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:38,880
Speaker 2: I think it could change because of Connor, but for

1524
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:40,720
Speaker 2: a different reason than you're saying. When you look back

1525
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 2: at the history, it was Penn and it was Randy

1526
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:46,439
Speaker 2: and then what Penn tried to become the first champ

1527
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 2: champion the GSP rematch. Correct, he lost in a one

1528
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:51,599
Speaker 2: sided fight, kind of you know, quit on his stool,

1529
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:53,880
Speaker 2: so to speak, was beaten up and collect me if

1530
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:57,200
Speaker 2: I'm wrong. I believe after that point Dana publicly didn't

1531
01:11:57,240 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 2: love the idea at all of two champions facing each other.

1532
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 2: He didn't, and I think it's because of that, John right,

1533
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:06,160
Speaker 2: I don't think BJA was the same to a certain

1534
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 2: degree after that loss. It makes your champion look bad

1535
01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:11,320
Speaker 2: if they move up and they don't do it and

1536
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:13,400
Speaker 2: they come back down to the division. To a degree,

1537
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:15,479
Speaker 2: remember we were thought we were getting all doo against

1538
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:18,599
Speaker 2: Pettis Champ versus Champ, and Dana was heavily against that.

1539
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 2: I think it changed when Connor's star was so big

1540
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:23,720
Speaker 2: they gave him that chance to do it. He did

1541
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:26,599
Speaker 2: it amazingly in his first lightweight fight, and then he

1542
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:29,719
Speaker 2: just walked away. So it wasn't necessarily in my mind

1543
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:33,040
Speaker 2: of like Connor opened the door. I think the gap

1544
01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:36,880
Speaker 2: of not having Connor when he walked away changed Dana's hand.

1545
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:39,960
Speaker 2: Do you remember twenty seventeen as a UFC journalist, Luke.

1546
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:42,679
Speaker 2: It was fresh off the biggest year in company history.

1547
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:45,519
Speaker 2: The company had sold. The new owners wanted to prove

1548
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:48,759
Speaker 2: that they can keep everything up. The problem was Ronda retired,

1549
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:52,599
Speaker 2: Connor didn't fight at all, Brock is gone, and they

1550
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 2: had a lot of trouble in twenty seventeen finding legitimate headliners.

1551
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:58,920
Speaker 2: I remember writing and talking about it every month. I

1552
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:01,840
Speaker 2: think that's when it was the idea of, like, we

1553
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:03,560
Speaker 2: need to kind of speed this up, we need to

1554
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:07,080
Speaker 2: kind of make that next crossover star. Now, you can argue,

1555
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:09,400
Speaker 2: and you did on Rogan effectively, that some of the

1556
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:12,080
Speaker 2: change in the pay per view structures, including the ESPN

1557
01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:15,479
Speaker 2: deal and that flat rate that we believe ESPN pays

1558
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:17,960
Speaker 2: UFC for each pay per view, has taken away the

1559
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:21,040
Speaker 2: leverage of the of the quote unquote pay per view

1560
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:23,759
Speaker 2: stars taken away some of Connor's leverage. But I feel

1561
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:26,080
Speaker 2: like that year in twenty seventeen, and maybe I'm wrong,

1562
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:28,800
Speaker 2: kicked open the door to the idea, Luke, even though

1563
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:31,240
Speaker 2: Henry Sehudo went on to prove to us how great

1564
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:33,559
Speaker 2: he is, and he's great at the time that he

1565
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:36,599
Speaker 2: was allowed to face Dilashata, because you know, I didn't

1566
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:39,040
Speaker 2: think he I'm sorry, at the time he was allowed

1567
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 2: to face Maris to become a champion, I didn't think

1568
01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:43,679
Speaker 2: he had earned that right. To me at that point,

1569
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:46,880
Speaker 2: there was something sacred to that. You either earned it

1570
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:49,840
Speaker 2: through being a legend in your one division for so

1571
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:52,800
Speaker 2: long that you've cleaned it out, there's no obvious fight

1572
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 2: for you, and really the next big thing is, you

1573
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:56,559
Speaker 2: know what, you're so great here, let's see if you

1574
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:58,840
Speaker 2: can do it in the next division, or you're just

1575
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:02,519
Speaker 2: a once in a generation star like a Connor, where

1576
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:04,960
Speaker 2: you're like, this breaks all the rules. He's willing to

1577
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:06,960
Speaker 2: do it, it breaks all the rules, let's do it.

1578
01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:09,960
Speaker 2: I feel like that's where it's changed. And now it's

1579
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:13,559
Speaker 2: to the point, Luke where even though Adasanya has those

1580
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:16,080
Speaker 2: factors where I think he breaks the rules, I think

1581
01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:19,040
Speaker 2: he's a special, all time great talent. I think his

1582
01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:23,200
Speaker 2: star is about to go global, worldwide on a monster level.

1583
01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:26,320
Speaker 2: And oh, by the way, I think he could defeat Blahoitz.

1584
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:28,439
Speaker 2: I think if he wants to make the dream of

1585
01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:32,440
Speaker 2: heavyweight happen, who knows, he's done it before in kickboxing,

1586
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:34,800
Speaker 2: so he kind of breaks those rules to begin with.

1587
01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:38,519
Speaker 2: Yet at that same time, the bastardization of it in

1588
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:42,040
Speaker 2: the past three years doesn't make this feel as big

1589
01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:45,080
Speaker 2: as it could or should be. When I heard Dana

1590
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:48,599
Speaker 2: say that, I was like, oh shit, really, I mean, sense.

1591
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:52,240
Speaker 1: Is also just a I hear what you're saying, Like, Wow,

1592
01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:56,080
Speaker 1: it's not ten pounds of heart, twenty pounds of heart,

1593
01:14:57,280 --> 01:15:01,840
Speaker 1: two and five pounds. It's a huge jump. That's almost

1594
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:04,160
Speaker 1: like four weight classes in boxing. I'm not gonna with

1595
01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:06,839
Speaker 1: something pretty close to it. So you started at a massive,

1596
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:11,320
Speaker 1: massive leap, and that by itself should mean a whole lot,

1597
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:14,400
Speaker 1: and by itself it doesn't. Because I was gonna counter

1598
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 1: with what if it was John Jones, Well, then I mean,

1599
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:20,400
Speaker 1: for all the marbles, that would be amazing. But that's

1600
01:15:20,439 --> 01:15:23,479
Speaker 1: also because to your point, John Rings a lot of

1601
01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:26,040
Speaker 1: different pieces of the puzzle. There and he brings the

1602
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:28,599
Speaker 1: defeated record and you know the mad Han will fight,

1603
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:33,679
Speaker 1: but basically undefeated record. He brings this auraibility he needs

1604
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:36,680
Speaker 1: the best life heavyweight of all time, and on and

1605
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:39,000
Speaker 1: on and on. So you'd be capturing the two titles,

1606
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:42,040
Speaker 1: plus of the things that aren't really codified with a

1607
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:45,360
Speaker 1: belt that aren't enshrined. It was some kind of trophy

1608
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:48,879
Speaker 1: that when I mentioned his status as a light heavyweight,

1609
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:51,760
Speaker 1: his status says in an all time great All of

1610
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:55,000
Speaker 1: that would have made the fight absolutely huge, which right, Actually,

1611
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:59,400
Speaker 1: I will conceive the point just the moving up and

1612
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:03,479
Speaker 1: capturing the second belt, the gap and wait, it's not nothing,

1613
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:05,840
Speaker 1: but it's not what you would think. It would be

1614
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:12,440
Speaker 1: difficult challenges your point to this is stretch of the imagination.

1615
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:18,080
Speaker 1: So it's an interesting situation about it. But this is

1616
01:16:18,479 --> 01:16:19,760
Speaker 1: the days.

1617
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:21,719
Speaker 2: All right, Let's let's talk about how we maybe could

1618
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:23,880
Speaker 2: fix I don't know fix it is the right word. Look,

1619
01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:25,760
Speaker 2: the question that we wanted to hit off the top

1620
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:29,759
Speaker 2: was is it a promoter's responsibility to respect their own rankings.

1621
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:32,240
Speaker 2: I think we can pass that. We both agree it's

1622
01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 2: it's this is an entertainment thing. At the end of

1623
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:36,439
Speaker 2: the day. UFC puts out these kind of VS rankings

1624
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 2: for the most part, they don't follow it anyway. They

1625
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:41,599
Speaker 2: can do whatever they want. It's their sandbox. There's no

1626
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:45,280
Speaker 2: alphabet organization whatever. I think we're past that. But my

1627
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:48,519
Speaker 2: biggest issue outside of giving too many people the chance

1628
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:51,560
Speaker 2: in recent years to hold them simultaneously. Look, there's a

1629
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:55,280
Speaker 2: much different responsibility when you're a champ champ compared to

1630
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 2: just being I'm a former champion in that division and

1631
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:00,519
Speaker 2: now I've moved on in one one in this division

1632
01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 2: is the idea that UFC has picked and choose Luke

1633
01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:05,880
Speaker 2: who gets to be stripped of them? And when I

1634
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:08,760
Speaker 2: mean Connor held on to for a while, but and

1635
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:11,200
Speaker 2: then it was like DC, no John's coming back. You're

1636
01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:13,720
Speaker 2: stripped of this, Oh Amanda, there's no one really else

1637
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:15,800
Speaker 2: to keep the belts. You can defend both if you want.

1638
01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:18,799
Speaker 2: Do you think there should be ruling set in either

1639
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:22,519
Speaker 2: either a rule that says you can't go for the

1640
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:25,280
Speaker 2: second title unless you've cleaned out your division, or you

1641
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:27,600
Speaker 2: can't go for that second title unless you win a

1642
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:31,120
Speaker 2: number one contender interim bout first, Or do you think

1643
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:33,760
Speaker 2: the rules should be if you do become a champ champ.

1644
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:38,240
Speaker 2: You gotta defend both titles once per year, and if

1645
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:41,320
Speaker 2: you can't, you're stripped. And we're not gonna strip who

1646
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:44,120
Speaker 2: we want to because there's this other popular fighter coming up.

1647
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:46,439
Speaker 2: We're gonna make the rules and stick with the rules.

1648
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:49,280
Speaker 2: Am I being a stickler to try? Like I wanna look?

1649
01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:52,080
Speaker 2: I like things like the goat debate. It matters to me.

1650
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:54,439
Speaker 2: People think it's all stupid. Can we just put everybody

1651
01:17:54,439 --> 01:17:56,280
Speaker 2: in the Hall of Fame? No, it matters to me

1652
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:58,880
Speaker 2: who's at that table and how we separate it. A

1653
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 2: lot of the times is well, GSP did win a

1654
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:03,519
Speaker 2: second title in the second way class we set week.

1655
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:06,519
Speaker 2: We make this matter? So can you help us make

1656
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:07,080
Speaker 2: this matter?

1657
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 1: I would say this, first of all, I think there

1658
01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:14,280
Speaker 1: should be a union that helps it decide all these things. Right,

1659
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:16,280
Speaker 1: what's in the fighters that just along with the with

1660
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:19,280
Speaker 1: the with the organization that it should get together and

1661
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:23,360
Speaker 1: figure out a planet that is usually beneficial to that end,

1662
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:26,679
Speaker 1: I would say, even if I'm the fighter, I would

1663
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:29,280
Speaker 1: want to be careful about putting too many rules in place.

1664
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:34,959
Speaker 1: People like about the matchmaker model, but the matchmaker models

1665
01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:38,200
Speaker 1: the reason why people hate it is also the reason

1666
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:42,639
Speaker 1: why it's very successful, which is to say, the reason

1667
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:45,320
Speaker 1: why folks hate it is because you're kind of on

1668
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:48,320
Speaker 1: the promoter's whim. And for those reasons, they can just

1669
01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:50,760
Speaker 1: make it up as they go, and sometimes they make

1670
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:52,880
Speaker 1: it up in a way that it really doesn't serve

1671
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:55,360
Speaker 1: as the fighter, or sometimes even the fan or a

1672
01:18:55,400 --> 01:18:59,519
Speaker 1: certain kind of fan anyway. But that same flexibility is

1673
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:02,240
Speaker 1: a little as them to do things that they ordinarily

1674
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:04,479
Speaker 1: would not be allowed to do because of any kind

1675
01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:06,519
Speaker 1: of rule that could be in place. Hey, should you

1676
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:09,160
Speaker 1: have retitled defenses or we're just going to give it

1677
01:19:09,240 --> 01:19:11,400
Speaker 1: to you right away, right and then it would observes

1678
01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:14,360
Speaker 1: a certain purpose. If your contragregory goose though boom to

1679
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:18,000
Speaker 1: hafos it becomes, and then the opera is down the line

1680
01:19:18,240 --> 01:19:20,320
Speaker 1: right right away, boom. If there had been a rule

1681
01:19:20,360 --> 01:19:22,400
Speaker 1: in place, you probably never would have seen it. I mean,

1682
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:26,920
Speaker 1: because you made three more times. God only knows. So

1683
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:28,679
Speaker 1: what I would say is, I do think there probably

1684
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:32,360
Speaker 1: should be some real basic parameters. If you don't defend

1685
01:19:32,439 --> 01:19:35,080
Speaker 1: the title within the calendar year, and you're not sitting

1686
01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:37,400
Speaker 1: out to the injury for anything longer than three months

1687
01:19:37,479 --> 01:19:39,640
Speaker 1: or something, you know, you should have to give it

1688
01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:42,320
Speaker 1: up if you end up being a champ. Champ the

1689
01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:45,639
Speaker 1: first time, you can't defend it on a normal schedule,

1690
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:48,000
Speaker 1: you got to give one of them up. But other

1691
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:49,720
Speaker 1: than that, I would not want to put it in

1692
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:52,439
Speaker 1: any mandatory minimums. I would not want to put it

1693
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:54,920
Speaker 1: in any kind of rules about, you know, you can't

1694
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:57,839
Speaker 1: go up another weight last for ninety days or something.

1695
01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:05,360
Speaker 1: Let that flexibility be annoy because there are some basic,

1696
01:20:05,479 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 1: basic protections for the rest of the division, because you

1697
01:20:08,280 --> 01:20:12,559
Speaker 1: have to look out for them to us as well.

1698
01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:16,639
Speaker 2: It's interesting. So when we look back at Anderson Silva,

1699
01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:18,439
Speaker 2: and we've been talking about his legacy, of course with

1700
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:22,400
Speaker 2: his maybe last UFC fight last Saturday, he never got

1701
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:24,840
Speaker 2: that chance because it came during that period where Dana

1702
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:26,640
Speaker 2: wasn't big on it. And if you look back, I

1703
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:28,960
Speaker 2: think the big lament for for Anderson in a lot

1704
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:31,559
Speaker 2: of ways is we never got the GSP super fight

1705
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:34,040
Speaker 2: with a guy smaller in wait moving up, and we

1706
01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:37,040
Speaker 2: never got the John Jones fight with Anderson moving up.

1707
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:39,320
Speaker 2: It just never seemed a window where it made a

1708
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:42,040
Speaker 2: ton of sense. Although I think, you know, I think

1709
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:44,560
Speaker 2: our our knee jerk of all John Jones would have

1710
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:47,080
Speaker 2: killed him. I'm not sure, dude. I thought so. I

1711
01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:49,320
Speaker 2: thought Silva was gonna killed by Atisania and you still

1712
01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:52,200
Speaker 2: saw that Anderson had it. But what UFC did do

1713
01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:55,320
Speaker 2: Luke was led Anderson Silva move up for sort of

1714
01:20:55,439 --> 01:20:58,519
Speaker 2: fun one offs, either for strategic purposes like the James

1715
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:00,920
Speaker 2: Irvin fight, or just hey, let's put him in there

1716
01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:03,920
Speaker 2: with Forrest Griffin. They were non title bouts. There wasn't

1717
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:06,439
Speaker 2: an expectation that he would get a title shot after.

1718
01:21:07,160 --> 01:21:09,479
Speaker 2: Do you like that model? Is there room for that model?

1719
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:12,320
Speaker 1: I think I think that's one of the most under

1720
01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:16,040
Speaker 1: explored opportunities. There's a lot of ways where you can

1721
01:21:16,120 --> 01:21:19,799
Speaker 1: have somebody, a famous fighter, go up a weight class

1722
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:23,400
Speaker 1: and you can do it as a testing waters moment.

1723
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:26,559
Speaker 1: You can do it ass of a fun guys find

1724
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:29,120
Speaker 1: themselves like Rich Franklin, in the situation where they can

1725
01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:31,960
Speaker 1: go on and it doesn't have to be because you

1726
01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:34,479
Speaker 1: can't be necessarily the best guy in front of you.

1727
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:36,200
Speaker 1: That I'm just sort of pointing out that you get

1728
01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:38,240
Speaker 1: a lot of room to play with. But you know

1729
01:21:38,439 --> 01:21:42,760
Speaker 1: this thing, it just worked out really, really well, and

1730
01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:45,759
Speaker 1: so yes, they're gonna be probably an eagle or semi

1731
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:49,240
Speaker 1: equal number of times where it doesn't necessarily go that way,

1732
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:51,679
Speaker 1: and you have to, okay when that experiment failed. Sure,

1733
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:54,360
Speaker 1: But I mean you're talking about making some of the

1734
01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:58,479
Speaker 1: most iconic potential fights in history, right, and it's no

1735
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:00,680
Speaker 1: title on the line, it was just what it was.

1736
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:03,160
Speaker 1: And so I really feel like we don't play with

1737
01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:05,840
Speaker 1: that enough, especially down at the one twenty fives and

1738
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:07,679
Speaker 1: the thirty fives and the forty fives and the fifty

1739
01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:10,400
Speaker 1: fives where you're just ten pounds apart and you can

1740
01:22:10,479 --> 01:22:13,200
Speaker 1: really begin to do something kind of interesting. I don't

1741
01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:15,200
Speaker 1: like it to get the Henry Smudo won the title

1742
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:18,439
Speaker 1: one thirty five, defended it against Dominic Cruz retired. It's like,

1743
01:22:18,439 --> 01:22:21,080
Speaker 1: I want to fight bole Kanaki next. But if there

1744
01:22:21,160 --> 01:22:22,800
Speaker 1: was a way to see that fight with the whole

1745
01:22:22,840 --> 01:22:25,160
Speaker 1: Kanafi and not having to worry about those responsiblities against

1746
01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:28,200
Speaker 1: Ryan Ortega. I'm not saying it's like the most fun fight,

1747
01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:30,439
Speaker 1: but a curious part of me if there was like

1748
01:22:30,479 --> 01:22:33,960
Speaker 1: a way to make it that we could even try, Yeah, yeah,

1749
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:36,599
Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind, you know, kicking the tires on something

1750
01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:41,599
Speaker 1: like that. Finding again, you know, again using that matchmaker model.

1751
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:45,280
Speaker 1: Just because you have the flexibility doesn't mean exercise it.

1752
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:48,120
Speaker 1: But when you have it and when the time is right,

1753
01:22:48,200 --> 01:22:50,519
Speaker 1: and that's just an interesting way to do it. Yeah,

1754
01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:54,200
Speaker 1: why not John Jones versus Francis and Kanu. If it's

1755
01:22:54,240 --> 01:22:57,320
Speaker 1: for the title, even better? Would you tell me you

1756
01:22:57,320 --> 01:22:59,800
Speaker 1: wouldn't watch it if it wasn't for one? Of course

1757
01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:01,800
Speaker 1: you watch it, So there's an opportunity there.

1758
01:23:03,320 --> 01:23:06,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all pretty interesting. Our notes tell us that

1759
01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:09,200
Speaker 2: eight people have had the chance to become champ champs,

1760
01:23:09,240 --> 01:23:13,080
Speaker 2: only four have done it successfully. BJ lost that one. TJ.

1761
01:23:13,120 --> 01:23:17,320
Speaker 2: Dillashaw lost that chance against Shudo. I'm struggling to think

1762
01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:18,720
Speaker 2: of the others at the moment. I know there were

1763
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:22,200
Speaker 2: people who lost luke chances to become two division champions,

1764
01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:25,800
Speaker 2: right like Derandom against Nunez, Home against Nuns. But even

1765
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:29,599
Speaker 2: in those situations, did those fighters in the second division

1766
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:33,599
Speaker 2: win enough fights to make their attempt at becoming even

1767
01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:35,160
Speaker 2: a two division champion worth it?

1768
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:35,360
Speaker 1: No.

1769
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:38,000
Speaker 2: In a lot of cases, especially Holly Holmes, it was well,

1770
01:23:38,040 --> 01:23:40,840
Speaker 2: you're the biggest name available and you're probably the best

1771
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:43,120
Speaker 2: of the group, so let's just kind of break all

1772
01:23:43,200 --> 01:23:46,800
Speaker 2: rules for the sake of matchmaking. Again, they can do that.

1773
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:50,320
Speaker 2: So let's look at this specific case Autas Sonya and Blowhowitz.

1774
01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:53,080
Speaker 2: I think it's actually fair to the middleweight division. If

1775
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:57,280
Speaker 2: Audasannya does this, has Israel clear cleaned out, this current

1776
01:23:57,320 --> 01:24:00,240
Speaker 2: group outside of wanting to see the Whitaker rematch, would

1777
01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:00,759
Speaker 2: say yes.

1778
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:05,600
Speaker 1: Would you agree m cleaned out?

1779
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:10,920
Speaker 2: I mean, is there anybody knocking that you're I mean,

1780
01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:13,719
Speaker 2: cannon Are didn't win. Is there anybody knocking that you're like, man,

1781
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:16,720
Speaker 2: that guy should get the crack first before I see

1782
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:17,439
Speaker 2: is he try this?

1783
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:21,720
Speaker 1: There is? That would be obvious choice. So then I

1784
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:25,400
Speaker 1: would occur, No, there is nobody that's banging down the

1785
01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:27,800
Speaker 1: door that you have to answer it for, right.

1786
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:30,360
Speaker 2: I don't hate that, but I don't I don't.

1787
01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:33,160
Speaker 1: I don't put that on the same level as cleaning out.

1788
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:34,479
Speaker 1: I think it's a little bit different.

1789
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:37,040
Speaker 2: All right, Then let's look at the two of five element.

1790
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:39,800
Speaker 2: This is not a deep division at the moment. Is

1791
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:43,160
Speaker 2: this fair to the people in the rankings below? Yon Blohowitz,

1792
01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:46,280
Speaker 2: who's in some ways a surprise champion, and and Luke

1793
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:48,559
Speaker 2: the hell? How the hell does John Jones fit into

1794
01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:49,160
Speaker 2: this equation?

1795
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:53,240
Speaker 1: Well, that's the interesting part. I mean, I don't know

1796
01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:56,920
Speaker 1: how because is he gonna come back down he wins,

1797
01:24:57,320 --> 01:25:00,479
Speaker 1: how does that derail everything? Heavyweight is gonna wait for

1798
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:02,679
Speaker 1: UH to sign you the thing to go to heavulate, which,

1799
01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:04,599
Speaker 1: by the way, he has reviewed. It is a very

1800
01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:08,559
Speaker 1: real and legitimate possibility. He has fought heavyweight and other

1801
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:13,400
Speaker 1: combative sports, so that is something that could happen. Yeah,

1802
01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:18,240
Speaker 1: it is certainly unfair, I think to the other contenders

1803
01:25:18,280 --> 01:25:21,400
Speaker 1: at like heavyweight, especially the winner of this to Shera

1804
01:25:21,479 --> 01:25:25,519
Speaker 1: and Santos. By Santos has a win over Lakhovich, credit,

1805
01:25:25,560 --> 01:25:28,400
Speaker 1: it will only be one win back being off. If

1806
01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:30,000
Speaker 1: you've got to win over the champion, by the way,

1807
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:33,920
Speaker 1: stoppage win and the guy you've been to get there.

1808
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:36,320
Speaker 1: In this case, you go over to share A is

1809
01:25:36,360 --> 01:25:38,240
Speaker 1: the guy who if by the way, if he wins,

1810
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:40,439
Speaker 1: if he would be number one contender by a country mile.

1811
01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:42,559
Speaker 1: So you be a guy who really earned it. You

1812
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:45,759
Speaker 1: can could go to fudget and understand, Yes, that's true.

1813
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:47,760
Speaker 1: But the thing about Samon is he's been off for

1814
01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:50,800
Speaker 1: a while. Who knows that he's gonna look in the

1815
01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:52,800
Speaker 1: case of sharing he already had a chance he's a

1816
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:55,679
Speaker 1: borning of the contender, but you know, you really kind

1817
01:25:55,720 --> 01:25:58,240
Speaker 1: to see him in some kind of long longevity case

1818
01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:00,880
Speaker 1: for the holder. No, you don't. And then you get

1819
01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:03,280
Speaker 1: an exciting guy at one hundred and eighty five pounds

1820
01:26:03,439 --> 01:26:05,599
Speaker 1: who's undefeated and looks like he's gonna be the next week.

1821
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:08,240
Speaker 1: Think in the sport, it's just the way shit goes Again,

1822
01:26:08,479 --> 01:26:10,960
Speaker 1: it's the flexibility of the matchmaker. Where we're going to

1823
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:15,600
Speaker 1: service uh certain fans and the consumer, and in this

1824
01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:18,799
Speaker 1: particular case, at the expense of not a huge expense

1825
01:26:18,840 --> 01:26:20,960
Speaker 1: for per say, but at the expense of guys who

1826
01:26:21,080 --> 01:26:23,599
Speaker 1: might be a little bit more or even a lot

1827
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:26,880
Speaker 1: more in front than the person who's getting an opportunity.

1828
01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:29,320
Speaker 1: But you have to understand when you begin to make

1829
01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:34,080
Speaker 1: that those rigid halls I've seen, I've seen promotions, try

1830
01:26:34,120 --> 01:26:35,360
Speaker 1: to do the thing worth it. We're going to be

1831
01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:38,200
Speaker 1: pro fighter, and then if you're them contender, you get

1832
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:41,880
Speaker 1: fights up. Seeing a lot of times great fights don't

1833
01:26:41,880 --> 01:26:45,960
Speaker 1: get made by virtue of the rigidity. Be annoyed by

1834
01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:49,559
Speaker 1: the flexibility, but realize that's better than missing out on

1835
01:26:49,680 --> 01:26:50,680
Speaker 1: other opportunities.

1836
01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:53,839
Speaker 2: All right to close, I did agree with Corey Anderson's

1837
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:57,160
Speaker 2: point on the one part where it does take away

1838
01:26:57,240 --> 01:27:02,040
Speaker 2: the value and interest I do have in Saturday's Maheta

1839
01:27:02,439 --> 01:27:04,240
Speaker 2: Glover to share a fight, which is a great fight

1840
01:27:04,280 --> 01:27:06,760
Speaker 2: on paper. I love the idea that if either one

1841
01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:10,000
Speaker 2: comes out by knockout, they just secured a title shot.

1842
01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:11,600
Speaker 2: Oh no, they didn't. So look, you do have to

1843
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:15,040
Speaker 2: question why that was announced last Saturday by Dana in

1844
01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:18,120
Speaker 2: a very unofficial manner. I know Izzy was in Vegas.

1845
01:27:18,120 --> 01:27:21,200
Speaker 2: I'm sure they had power talks and contract developments, but

1846
01:27:21,720 --> 01:27:23,439
Speaker 2: it would seem like you would want to leave that

1847
01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:26,599
Speaker 2: door open. If Thiago Santos comes out, drills a hole

1848
01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:30,760
Speaker 2: through him and calls out you know blohoitz that you know,

1849
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:32,599
Speaker 2: maybe you want to go that way. It's also interesting

1850
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:35,280
Speaker 2: to say that if Izzy and John do fight and

1851
01:27:35,320 --> 01:27:37,439
Speaker 2: you're the UFC, do you want it at two of

1852
01:27:37,479 --> 01:27:39,640
Speaker 2: five or do you want it at heavyweight? Who do

1853
01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:41,880
Speaker 2: you want to have the title coming in? Are you

1854
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:45,320
Speaker 2: saving this for the idea that if Izzy becomes a

1855
01:27:45,360 --> 01:27:47,439
Speaker 2: two division champion and fights at two o five and

1856
01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:49,680
Speaker 2: John moves up and wins the heavyweight title, that when

1857
01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:52,679
Speaker 2: they do fight and meet in Raiders Stadium one day

1858
01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:55,679
Speaker 2: in front of eighty thousand people that there's two titles

1859
01:27:55,720 --> 01:27:58,240
Speaker 2: on the line at heavyweighters. So I don't know, Luke.

1860
01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:01,000
Speaker 2: There's different ways to look at it and think about it.

1861
01:28:01,400 --> 01:28:05,200
Speaker 2: But if is he's twenty twenty one, looks like Jon

1862
01:28:05,320 --> 01:28:08,559
Speaker 2: Blohowitz for the light heavyweight title and John Jones later

1863
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:12,880
Speaker 2: in the year for whatever. Good God, Luke, you know

1864
01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:15,040
Speaker 2: I've said it before, I'll say it right now. Is

1865
01:28:15,080 --> 01:28:17,799
Speaker 2: he had one of the four or five best calendar

1866
01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:20,960
Speaker 2: years I think ever? In twenty nineteen, we had this

1867
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:23,360
Speaker 2: debate about, hey, if Gaechie beat Obie, but he have

1868
01:28:23,400 --> 01:28:26,519
Speaker 2: the best year ever in UFC history. Is he's twenty nineteen?

1869
01:28:26,560 --> 01:28:29,439
Speaker 2: I think is in that discussion, and he got robbed

1870
01:28:29,680 --> 01:28:32,439
Speaker 2: by pretty much all of you MMA media members out

1871
01:28:32,439 --> 01:28:34,320
Speaker 2: there who went with moz Vidal or hey had a

1872
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:37,400
Speaker 2: great year. I'm sorry it wasn't better than is he's, Luke?

1873
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:39,439
Speaker 2: Is he could win Fighter of the Year this year

1874
01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:42,000
Speaker 2: because it's a weird year. If he does that next year,

1875
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:44,760
Speaker 2: he's your Palm for Pound king, your biggest star in

1876
01:28:44,800 --> 01:28:48,400
Speaker 2: the whole sport. And he would have had authored a two, three, four,

1877
01:28:48,479 --> 01:28:51,519
Speaker 2: five year run in UFC. That's just absurd. Luke. And

1878
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:54,719
Speaker 2: that's what gets me excited about breaking all the rules

1879
01:28:54,720 --> 01:28:57,320
Speaker 2: because there are special people along the way, Connor being

1880
01:28:57,400 --> 01:28:59,519
Speaker 2: one of them. Right when Connor was talking about moving

1881
01:28:59,560 --> 01:29:01,479
Speaker 2: up and fighting Woodley for a third belt, I was like,

1882
01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:03,759
Speaker 2: freaking do it, dude. I don't know what this guy's

1883
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:07,080
Speaker 2: not capable of. Is he's in line Luke to become

1884
01:29:08,120 --> 01:29:10,160
Speaker 2: to become the goal. I'm serious. If he can, if

1885
01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:12,360
Speaker 2: he can run the distance, run the gamut on this,

1886
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:15,080
Speaker 2: they are setting him up to knock down all the pins.

1887
01:29:15,240 --> 01:29:17,439
Speaker 1: If he can do it, it's a possible. I'll just end

1888
01:29:17,520 --> 01:29:20,320
Speaker 1: on this. I'll say two things. One, whatever, you're giving

1889
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:23,920
Speaker 1: up an interest on Clover and uh Thiago Santos. It

1890
01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:25,800
Speaker 1: wasn't a huge try to begin with. It's gonna air

1891
01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:29,080
Speaker 1: probably on the ESPN SBN, But you know whatever, you're

1892
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:31,479
Speaker 1: giving up an interest and there you're gonna make it

1893
01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:34,800
Speaker 1: on the other end if ends up getting the second belt.

1894
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Speaker 1: So that's the first thing i'd say, And I think

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Speaker 1: the second thing i'd say is the US has historically

1896
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Speaker 1: been good about being rule breakers, right about signing the

1897
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Speaker 1: occasional James Tony and then going back to normal signing

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Speaker 1: the occasional see him punk and then going back to

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Speaker 1: the normal. The key to breaking the rules is if

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01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:52,720
Speaker 1: you do it infrequently enough, you can just keep on

1901
01:29:52,840 --> 01:29:55,439
Speaker 1: doing it. So can you quip with the line and say,

1902
01:29:55,680 --> 01:29:59,599
Speaker 1: have they done too much? Disrection? Have they this direction? Sure?

1903
01:29:59,760 --> 01:30:03,920
Speaker 1: You hand, but in general their ability is a function.

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01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:08,160
Speaker 1: So let's see how things go. But to your point,

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01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:11,360
Speaker 1: they've broken rules, they might make enough for easy for

1906
01:30:11,479 --> 01:30:14,080
Speaker 1: easy to break all of the records. We'll have to see.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, Luke, indeed, I got one more segment for you today.

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Speaker 2: You ready for this?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? The doctor?

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, Well you're gonna get the uh you're gonna

1911
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Speaker 2: get them yeah, sorry, wrong sound effect. You're gonna get

1912
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Speaker 2: that prostate tickle.

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Speaker 1: No, I think, I think.

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Speaker 2: All right, hey every week. If you're new to this,

1915
01:30:34,760 --> 01:30:36,599
Speaker 2: we've broken this off from have you seen this ship?

1916
01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:39,080
Speaker 2: This is the best fan art, fan merch picks, whatever

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Speaker 2: you got. Our fans are weirdos and we love to

1918
01:30:41,160 --> 01:30:44,120
Speaker 2: celebrate them. So let's start off right here, Luke. You know,

1919
01:30:44,360 --> 01:30:48,080
Speaker 2: Callous Matisson of Denmark sent us the greatest MK theme

1920
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Speaker 2: song of all time. But there's a new number one contender.

1921
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:55,800
Speaker 2: He is at Wicked White on Instagram. This w i

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Speaker 2: q e ed. Let's get the song, bro.

1923
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Speaker 1: Why some shot dogs Morning Combat number one source to

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Speaker 1: Combat move were Big Big Don Campbell and Tom Stay Frost.

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Speaker 1: You go on, chimp the tip. Can you see ship?

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Speaker 1: Give it? M m A over scoring a box giving

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Speaker 1: up discussion par La Mutter for Rick winchardson you can

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Speaker 1: look him back look the week ahead.

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Speaker 2: Fatality, Luke, I think we've screwed up production wise. You

1930
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Speaker 2: were unable to hear that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I heard it was pretty.

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Speaker 2: Fantastic though, I mean, is it better than Calium Matisa's no,

1933
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Speaker 2: but it's it's really good. And uh look I'll play

1934
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Speaker 2: you that. I'll send it to you offline. Maybe you'll be.

1935
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Speaker 1: Able to hear it.

1936
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Speaker 2: All right. This is from at Ray's muse on Instagram.

1937
01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:54,519
Speaker 2: Here's a little Morning Combat Star Wars animation. Luke given

1938
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Speaker 2: our history together, Luke.

1939
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Speaker 1: Luke, all right, shut though and or holy ship balls? Man?

1940
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Speaker 2: You are you gotta you got a hot day?

1941
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Speaker 1: I'm here, I'm here.

1942
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Speaker 2: Are you ready for this?

1943
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Speaker 1: Along with my trustee Stephen Padawan. This is Brian can

1944
01:32:46,880 --> 01:32:47,599
Speaker 1: about Padawan.

1945
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Speaker 2: But you know I like to set off on an

1946
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Speaker 2: equal plane and.

1947
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Speaker 1: You can be like Anakin Skywalker. You can be on

1948
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Speaker 1: the Jedi Council, but you don't get the title, and I.

1949
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Speaker 2: Will turn on you just like him. Look. Uh, Anthony

1950
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Speaker 2: Ray Jimenez at Ray's muse. That's well.

1951
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Speaker 1: We got echo here.

1952
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're good on the echo. Thank you? Sorry, all right, Luke,

1953
01:33:16,760 --> 01:33:20,040
Speaker 2: that's fantastic. Look, if we put our tips together, we

1954
01:33:20,040 --> 01:33:21,880
Speaker 2: can do anything. We can move mountains, all right, bro.

1955
01:33:22,680 --> 01:33:26,320
Speaker 1: People asking us to touch dicks, it's the weirdest thing ever.

1956
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Speaker 1: We're never going to do that.

1957
01:33:28,400 --> 01:33:30,920
Speaker 2: But okay, no, I'm not into that. All right, let's go.

1958
01:33:31,000 --> 01:33:33,559
Speaker 2: Let's bring back on Scott Rizzo. He's been active lately.

1959
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Speaker 2: Scott Underscore, m Underscore Rizzo. He's got an MK inspired

1960
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Speaker 2: movie poster here, Luke of Wayne's World, MK's World.

1961
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Speaker 1: Bro. Pretty good, that's pretty good. My head is somehow

1962
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Speaker 1: into my chest, but pretty good.

1963
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's party time. It's it's excellent. Well done there. Uh.

1964
01:33:53,960 --> 01:33:57,920
Speaker 2: Forrest from Pittsburgh has sent in a w w E

1965
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Speaker 2: photoshop here, Luke, that's me as the rock you're feeding

1966
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Speaker 2: the big show. Uh Soco and uh with the mandible claw?

1967
01:34:13,400 --> 01:34:15,160
Speaker 2: Do I look like I've been working out with a

1968
01:34:15,200 --> 01:34:19,320
Speaker 2: homeless man a minor inconvenience. All right, Luke, Hey our

1969
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Speaker 2: people they're funny. This is from dick Oles on Instagram.

1970
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Speaker 2: Oh this is brilliant. Get hard indeed, right, look at that?

1971
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Speaker 1: I look terrible, Jess.

1972
01:34:35,320 --> 01:34:42,160
Speaker 2: Tip to tip uh. Dick Oles also also sent us

1973
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Speaker 2: I'm trying to understand this. Do we have another dick

1974
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Speaker 2: Oles to show? Yes, yes, that's me and super Bad

1975
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Speaker 2: drawing Dix.

1976
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Speaker 1: Luke.

1977
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Speaker 2: I couldn't touch the pen to a piece of paper

1978
01:34:55,840 --> 01:34:58,120
Speaker 2: without it drawing the shape of it. The penis, Luke.

1979
01:34:58,160 --> 01:34:59,800
Speaker 2: I've never seen super Bad, so I don't get this.

1980
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Speaker 1: Ok. You have you seen the It's like a spinal

1981
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Speaker 1: mocumentary on a Netflix called an American I don't know

1982
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Speaker 1: what it's called American Story or an American.

1983
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

1984
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Speaker 1: With the guy who who drew all the dicks on

1985
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Speaker 1: all the cars.

1986
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, fantastic, Yes you all right? Apparently this

1987
01:35:21,000 --> 01:35:23,760
Speaker 2: is dick Oles' finest hour here, Luke, because he's got

1988
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Speaker 2: a little Luke nukeom action coming out here, and this

1989
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Speaker 2: is brilliant.

1990
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Speaker 1: You can lie to your mama, you can't lie your

1991
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Speaker 1: you can't lit to body with that cold your face, bro,

1992
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Speaker 1: I looked so cool in my life. Send that ship

1993
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Speaker 1: to me, man.

1994
01:35:41,479 --> 01:35:44,760
Speaker 2: Luke nukemb with the drive by Trucker lyrics. Love it

1995
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Speaker 2: a final art of the week. I believe the one

1996
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Speaker 2: r I P l BG Indeed, Luke, Yes, I.

1997
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Speaker 1: Think it deserves to be noted.

1998
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Speaker 2: We got one more. We gotta end with this one.

1999
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Speaker 2: It's from the Inconsolable Cat, who says, dear Donks, the

2000
01:36:06,320 --> 01:36:09,679
Speaker 2: real stars of the show are Mocha and Reggie Jackson.

2001
01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:11,880
Speaker 2: I loved when you showed him on the show. If

2002
01:36:11,880 --> 01:36:14,920
Speaker 2: only we could have them go tip to tip. Love

2003
01:36:14,920 --> 01:36:17,080
Speaker 2: what's happening with the show? I even watched an e

2004
01:36:17,160 --> 01:36:21,360
Speaker 2: fing boxing match thanks to BC's enthused typing. Mi ow's

2005
01:36:21,479 --> 01:36:25,760
Speaker 2: to you with gratitude. Wow, shout out to the Inconsolable Cat, Luke.

2006
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Speaker 2: That's brilliant.

2007
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Speaker 1: Us Moco which is Booger and that is an amazing,

2008
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Speaker 1: amazing piece of the best one.

2009
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Speaker 2: Did she the name to morning Comcat? Wow?

2010
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Speaker 1: Morning Tomcat? Okay, still pretty good.

2011
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Speaker 2: Reggie Jackson would send Booger to hell.

2012
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Speaker 1: Got picked up off the end your cat fast.

2013
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Speaker 2: All right. That's all the party tricks I've got for Wednesday,

2014
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Speaker 2: But thank you for joining me.

2015
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Speaker 1: If you want to send those, and please do. Obviously

2016
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Speaker 1: you can follow us all on social media, Me and Ryan,

2017
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Speaker 1: we're on the twitters, We're on the Instagrams, and of

2018
01:37:12,200 --> 01:37:15,519
Speaker 1: course Morning Combat is all over the socials as well

2019
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Speaker 1: for Everything Combat on Twitter and Morning Combat on Insta

2020
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Speaker 1: and then Morning Combat on YouTube. So follow, like, subscribe,

2021
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Speaker 1: hit that whole ship, and if you want to send

2022
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Speaker 1: ryme stuff you can m him or Morning Combat at

2023
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Speaker 1: gmail dot com. Morning Combat at gmail dot com. All

2024
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Speaker 1: one word to get on the screen right there, send

2025
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Speaker 1: the art to the missions. That's the place. As always.

2026
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Speaker 1: If you want to watch Showtime, you certainly can shoowtime

2027
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Speaker 1: dot com through the day. You like it, you can

2028
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Speaker 1: keep it. If not, certainly up to you. You want

2029
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Speaker 1: to get to the MK merch, you can got a

2030
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Speaker 1: sore not show dot com and uh anything else before

2031
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Speaker 1: I go and see the Old Doctor.

2032
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Speaker 2: Uh Friday, we'll be back. We'll be previewing the weekend.

2033
01:38:02,920 --> 01:38:05,479
Speaker 2: We got a UFC card. We got some decent boxing. Also,

2034
01:38:05,479 --> 01:38:09,240
Speaker 2: don't forget Saturday Night that Showtime replay Jervonte Davis, Leo,

2035
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Speaker 2: Santa Cruz, the pay per view on regular Showtime, thirty

2036
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Speaker 2: days free Trial Pound yourself in the sandhole, whatever you

2037
01:38:15,200 --> 01:38:17,960
Speaker 2: gotta do. Check out Luke if you haven't yet on

2038
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Speaker 2: the Joe Rogan podcast three and a half hours.

2039
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Speaker 1: Good lord, Luke, it's a long time, and the live

2040
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Speaker 1: chat is back tomorrow. Thread for questions and then the

2041
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Speaker 1: community tab off here in Morning Combats site YouTube dot

2042
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Speaker 1: com Morning Combats there's a community tab. I'll a listener

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Speaker 1: for questions there. Okay, all right, thanks again?

2044
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Speaker 2: Or is it back. We're gonna have to wait and see.

2045
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Speaker 1: Yeah, times, we shall see. It's planned. It's planned to

2046
01:38:46,200 --> 01:38:50,840
Speaker 1: be back. Knows all right for Manka show Time Sports.

2047
01:38:51,040 --> 01:38:53,640
Speaker 1: That's Brian. I'm luc will be back. I'll be back

2048
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Speaker 1: tomorrow on Friday, and then until next time, all the

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Speaker 1: loyal