Speaker 1: Hey, y'all, Welcome back to the next episode of I
Speaker 1: Have Some Thoughts, a weekly podcast minisolo series where we
Speaker 1: talk about all things pop culture, but of course from
Speaker 1: a mental health lens and I am joined today again
Speaker 1: by Bria. Hey, Maria, Hi everyone.
Speaker 2: We have a lot of cool topics to get into today.
Speaker 2: The first let's talk about Angel Reese and the WNBA.
Speaker 2: I feel like we can never get through a season
Speaker 2: without something happening. But the Toronto Temple's head coach Sandy
Speaker 2: has been suspended for one game without pay after making
Speaker 2: an appropriate comment about the Atlanta Dreams Angel Reese. This
Speaker 2: past Friday, the Atlanta dream and Toronto Tempo were playing
Speaker 2: in a game. During the first quarter, Nayar, one of
Speaker 2: the players, got called for a personal foul against Angel Rees.
Speaker 2: Ny are false to the ground in pain and the coach, Sandy,
Speaker 2: was very upset about it and during her comments, I
Speaker 2: don't know if she forgot she was miked up, but
Speaker 2: she called Angel Rees a protected species. Now, obviously there
Speaker 2: are a lot of racial undertones throughout that commentary. In
Speaker 2: response to the WNBA suspended Sandy for one game, Sandy
Speaker 2: did release an apology. Angel Rees has since made a
Speaker 2: statement as well, thanking the WNBA for taking action too.
Speaker 2: As we all know, this is not the first and
Speaker 2: definitely will not be the last instance of racism that
Speaker 2: we see within the WNBA. This is honestly just a
Speaker 2: very quick glimpse into it, but I think it opened
Speaker 2: a broader conversation of why black women athletes, especially in
Speaker 2: these women leagues, that they're already kind of you would
Speaker 2: almost think that they are having to go through the
Speaker 2: struggle of being like a women only sports team, and
Speaker 2: they already kind of being compared against the men and
Speaker 2: are getting the same resources as the male teams. But
Speaker 2: black women specifically have to navigate this layer of excellence
Speaker 2: and bias at the same time. So, like, why are
Speaker 2: black women's emotions, their confidence, their competitiveness, why is it
Speaker 2: interpreted so differently from their peers and women in the league,
Speaker 2: but also in men in the league as well.
Speaker 1: I agree with you, Ria, because you would think, like
Speaker 1: a league that is built by well and I won't
Speaker 1: necessarily built by women, right, because we know that the
Speaker 1: NBA also has a large part in like all the
Speaker 1: things that happen in the WNBA, because it kind of
Speaker 1: came out of there but a league that is governed
Speaker 1: by women, that is run by women, that is, you know,
Speaker 1: built on the backs of black women specifically, Like you
Speaker 1: would think that there would be more ground that has
Speaker 1: been made in terms of like eliminating bias and really
Speaker 1: like centering the needs of the players all of the players,
Speaker 1: and sadly that has not been the case. And I
Speaker 1: just think it is so unfortunate. Many people have heard
Speaker 1: me talk about on the podcast before, I am a
Speaker 1: newly converted WNBA fan. I just love all the women's basketball,
Speaker 1: and a lot of that actually is dedicated or is
Speaker 1: in large part due to Angel Reee. So I really
Speaker 1: started following women's basketball when she and the LSU team
Speaker 1: won the national championship several years ago. And so Angel
Speaker 1: is definitely somebody who I have loved following her journey
Speaker 1: and is one of my favorite players. And I definitely
Speaker 1: have paid attention to what it feels like just outsized
Speaker 1: ignorance and violence and like just racist kinds of behaviors
Speaker 1: and thoughts aimed her way, and it really is disgusting.
Speaker 1: And I think black women, no matter where we go,
Speaker 1: whatever space we show up in, it always feels and
Speaker 1: I think that this is accurate that there is this
Speaker 1: intense dedication to paying attention to what we're doing and
Speaker 1: like policing our tone and our behavior. And we see
Speaker 1: so many instances of it in the WNBA, where other
Speaker 1: players are able to get away with shouting at reffs,
Speaker 1: talking to their coaches any kind of way, like not
Speaker 1: exhibiting sportsmanlike behavior, and it's not seen as the same way.
Speaker 1: It is just seen as competitiveness, right, and like, oh,
Speaker 1: they're fiery. But when it's Angel Reese and other black
Speaker 1: women players, there is this undertone of oh, this is
Speaker 1: kind of how we expect black women to be. And
Speaker 1: so I think, unfortunately, this is just another example of
Speaker 1: black women not being able to kind of take up
Speaker 1: space and be competitive and want to kind of compete
Speaker 1: at such a high level in the same way as
Speaker 1: other people, and that not just being seen as what
Speaker 1: it is, right, like just a part of the game.
Speaker 1: There are all these other implications and insinuations that are
Speaker 1: made that have absolutely nothing to do with the actual game.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah. And I mentioned earlier that Sandy did get
Speaker 2: suspended for one game. A lot of people are speaking
Speaker 2: out saying that that honestly wasn't enough there's this balance
Speaker 2: of did you mean what you said, but also what
Speaker 2: you said did have implications that were like very racist,
Speaker 2: So was that really a proper response to that? But
Speaker 2: what do you think from your perspective that it will
Speaker 2: take for organizations sports teams to move beyond support in
Speaker 2: a way that might be interpreted as performative Because if
Speaker 2: the WNBA said nothing, then it would have been bad.
Speaker 2: But it's tricky to balance too.
Speaker 1: I am please, you know, I'm actually surprised that they
Speaker 1: did act so quickly, but I agree with you that
Speaker 1: if they didn't like it definitely would have been probably
Speaker 1: for our worst. Yeah, not understanding that Sandy is Australian
Speaker 1: and so it sounds like there is this term protected
Speaker 1: species maybe means something differently maybe culturally for her. But
Speaker 1: of course we are in the US, right and especially
Speaker 1: when we're looking at the WBA and the fire that
Speaker 1: has been led around like race relations, particularly related to
Speaker 1: like Caitlyn Clark and all of the other black players, like,
Speaker 1: it just feels like things are boiling over at like
Speaker 1: a speedy rate right now, and so I think timing
Speaker 1: in place is everything right, And so for her to
Speaker 1: say something like that, even if culturally, it maybe has
Speaker 1: a different connotation for her. In this context, of course,
Speaker 1: it is very racist, right, and Angel was offended, and
Speaker 1: so I was very pleased that Sandy responded so quickly.
Speaker 1: Angel accepted the apology. You know, it definitely feels like
Speaker 1: she did the right thing and offered an apology that
Speaker 1: was actually meaningful. And then the league did take action.
Speaker 1: But again I don't know whether that was right or wrong,
Speaker 1: but I'm pleased that they did something and that it
Speaker 1: was so swift. I think in order for us to
Speaker 1: see more meaningful change, there needs to be more black
Speaker 1: women in leadership roles. So another conversation that has been
Speaker 1: kind of percolating through the WNBA streets this season is
Speaker 1: the lack of black women coaches. So there are no
Speaker 1: black women head coaches in the WNBA again, and that
Speaker 1: is really difficult to see in a league that is
Speaker 1: on the backs of black women, right, like black women
Speaker 1: built this right and so to see that there are
Speaker 1: there are no black women in leadership positions at the
Speaker 1: head coaching role, I think is something that adds to
Speaker 1: the nuance and what we're seeing in this situation.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Nekka gum Lak is the WNBA president, So she's like
Speaker 1: the president of the players union. I guess it's what
Speaker 1: the WNBPA is, And so I think that that goes
Speaker 1: a long way. And I think she is a very
Speaker 1: well spoken, like good advocate for the players and she's
Speaker 1: still an active player, so her presence goes a long way.
Speaker 1: But she really is the only one, right, And so
Speaker 1: I think that when we look at the leadership of
Speaker 1: the WNBA, there needs to be more black women who
Speaker 1: strongly identify as black women, right because we know all
Speaker 1: Skinfok and kimbok, right, for people who actually understand like
Speaker 1: a black woman's ethic and what it means, especially like
Speaker 1: if we just use Angel Reese as an example, right,
Speaker 1: like what it might need for a young player to
Speaker 1: come in with this level of scrutiny and criticism and
Speaker 1: how that impacts their development, Like somebody who really understands
Speaker 1: a black woman's plight. I think is really important and
Speaker 1: that I think is sorely missing in the WNBA right now,
Speaker 1: and it's something that would actually go a long way
Speaker 1: I think in navigating these situations better.
Speaker 2: That's so true. I think even like beyond sports, we
Speaker 2: stayed often where there's one black person in corporate America
Speaker 2: in the room that's like, hey, this won't be received
Speaker 2: a certain way, but it's on them that to like
Speaker 2: call those things out and then to go against so
Speaker 2: many other people whom I think differently. It's definitely something
Speaker 2: that I feel like we see kind of across the
Speaker 2: board too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you raise a good point there, Ria, because it's
Speaker 1: not enough to just have them there. People also have
Speaker 1: to listen. Ex Like, we don't just need black women
Speaker 1: in figureheads faces, we need black women in leadership in
Speaker 1: the WNBA who people will actually listen to and whose
Speaker 1: voices will be heard for sure.
Speaker 2: I agree well. For our next topic, Brandy R and B.
Speaker 2: Singer has been facing some body shaming comments. So Brandy
Speaker 2: was at the center of an online conversation after a
Speaker 2: video circulated of her looking noticeably slimmer, especially like within
Speaker 2: her facial area. People began immediately commenting on her appearance,
Speaker 2: some of them in very negative ways. A lot of
Speaker 2: people were like, oh, maybe there's something wrong with her medically,
Speaker 2: or she's been diagnosed with something, just kind of drawing
Speaker 2: conclusions that weren't really for people to draw. It didn't
Speaker 2: take long for people actually to reflect on a very
Speaker 2: similar situation that took back in twenty twenty when people
Speaker 2: made very similar comments about Chadwick Boseman he had lost
Speaker 2: a lot of weight, especially in his face as well,
Speaker 2: and then shortly after he revealed his colon cancer diagnosis,
Speaker 2: which we ultimately know is how he passed away. Brandy
Speaker 2: has since responded, reminding everyone to remember that the person
Speaker 2: that they're commenting on is still a person and to
Speaker 2: always leap with kindness. But I think there's a broader
Speaker 2: question here of when commenting on people's.
Speaker 1: Bodies just became so normalized.
Speaker 2: And I feel like, you know, when you're growing up,
Speaker 2: you maybe go to like your mom's house, at your
Speaker 2: grandma's house and maybe like, oh, you're gaining weight, excising.
Speaker 2: I feel like it was it's kind of normal and
Speaker 2: like black households in a way. But I feel like
Speaker 2: the Internet is just so amplifying. So from your perspective,
Speaker 2: why do people feel so comfortable commenting on other people's
Speaker 2: bodies even when they don't really know the person or
Speaker 2: what it is that they could be going through.
Speaker 1: You bring up a great point, Brian, I you know
Speaker 1: fairly don't know that this is only a black household situation,
Speaker 1: because I definitely have heard white women also talk about
Speaker 1: like the intense scrutiny they've had from family members in
Speaker 1: terms of weight. But it does feel like a familial
Speaker 1: kind of thing that has developed that it is okay
Speaker 1: to kind of criticize one another, right, Like, so you
Speaker 1: are away at college and then you come back and
Speaker 1: all the family is like, oh, that freshman facing really
Speaker 1: got you, right, like all of those you know, And
Speaker 1: I think many of us laughed it off and like
Speaker 1: kind of saw that as a normal part of kind
Speaker 1: of family interactions. But I think as we have grown
Speaker 1: in our understanding of like what it means to relate
Speaker 1: to one another and what kinds of things invoke shaming people,
Speaker 1: I think we've realized now that it is not okay,
Speaker 1: even with family members, like to make comments about that,
Speaker 1: because you never know what people's relationship to their weight
Speaker 1: is in like those kinds of comments, and it's just
Speaker 1: not okay, Like why is it okay to talk about
Speaker 1: people's bodies in that way?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: So, if we know that we need to take a
Speaker 1: step back, even with our family members and people we
Speaker 1: know and have relationships with, it is far more not
Speaker 1: okay for us to be doing it publicly online and
Speaker 1: so you know your question around like when did this
Speaker 1: become normal? I think for a lot of us it
Speaker 1: is something that is kind of been normalized in our
Speaker 1: families because people have comment it's about our weight and appearance,
Speaker 1: and maybe we have also done that. And I think
Speaker 1: now that we have the Internet and it feels like
Speaker 1: we are also connected though of course not really right,
Speaker 1: Like we just had a conversation a couple of weeks
Speaker 1: ago about parasocial relationships, and so I think there is
Speaker 1: this fallacy that we are more connected and like we
Speaker 1: know people online when we really don't. And so, you know,
Speaker 1: I think it is normal to notice differences in people, right,
Speaker 1: Like if we saw somebody a year ago and now
Speaker 1: they look drastically different, I think it is just human
Speaker 1: nature to register that difference, like, oh, something looks different.
Speaker 1: But I think instead of you know, jumping on X
Speaker 1: or threads or Instagram and like sharing these dire tribes
Speaker 1: around whatever it is, would that not be better sir?
Speaker 1: For like, oh I'm wishing them well either privately or
Speaker 1: just in a small group chat, right like with people
Speaker 1: who you know, and like, this is not information that
Speaker 1: will be shared publicly right, Because again, I don't think
Speaker 1: there's anything wrong with noticing a difference. I think the
Speaker 1: difficulty and the problematic behavior comes when we feel empowered
Speaker 1: and entitled, honestly to go online and like make these
Speaker 1: conclusions and create these entire stories that have likely nothing
Speaker 1: to do with the reality of what's going on with
Speaker 1: especially when people have come out and said I don't
Speaker 1: like this, right, like so many celebrities and public figures
Speaker 1: have said, like, I feel uncomfortable with this, Like this
Speaker 1: doesn't feel good to me, And so we cannot feel
Speaker 1: entitled and feel like just because we all can create
Speaker 1: a Threads account that it gives us permission to comment
Speaker 1: on people's buy bodies and things in ways that people
Speaker 1: have said, this does not feel good to me, I'm
Speaker 1: not comfortable with this.
Speaker 2: Totally agree, and I think that like a lot of
Speaker 2: people forget And I've heard this conversation a lot around
Speaker 2: for people who want to be like content creators and
Speaker 2: all that, like if you might seem like only a
Speaker 2: thousand people watch your content, oh my gosh, that's less
Speaker 2: than like what I want, per se. I feel like
Speaker 2: if a thousand people were to come up to you
Speaker 2: in person, like the comments on something, it would feel
Speaker 2: so different. So like to think from a celebrities perspective
Speaker 2: that they're getting this from like so many different angles,
Speaker 2: thousands and thousand people commenting on their physical appearance, it
Speaker 2: can't be easy to navigate at all. So just like
Speaker 2: keeping that in mind too. But even in our personal lives,
Speaker 2: like with our family, our friends, how can we be
Speaker 2: more thoughtful about the language that we're using when we
Speaker 2: do notice those changes and like way physical appearance. I'm
Speaker 2: someone who's like, don't have for comment on way because
Speaker 2: you really just never know. It just doesn't feel appropriate
Speaker 2: to me personally. Other people might not feel that way.
Speaker 2: So how can we just be more thoughtful about the
Speaker 2: language that we're you're seeing and when we do notice
Speaker 2: these differences?
Speaker 1: Mm hmm yeah, I think leading with care and consideration
Speaker 1: is a better way to approach these situations, right, So
Speaker 1: not necessarily calling attention to like hey, it looks like you,
Speaker 1: you know, like ore one hundred pounds smaller than when
Speaker 1: I saw you last year, but you know, like, hey,
Speaker 1: is everything okay? I haven't seen you in a while,
Speaker 1: Like what's going on? Catch me up kind of thing? Right,
Speaker 1: And so really like leaning into the relationship that you
Speaker 1: have with the person, because hopefully whatever conversation that you're
Speaker 1: trying to spark with, whatever comment you're making, it's coming
Speaker 1: from a place of like well wished and like, is
Speaker 1: there anything I need to do to support you in
Speaker 1: a different way, right, as opposed to like judgment and
Speaker 1: nosiness right right, Like you know, cause if it's that,
Speaker 1: then you probably are better off just keeping the comment
Speaker 1: to yourself or you know, get chat without that person.
Speaker 1: But if it is like, oh, is this something I
Speaker 1: should be concerned about? Or I think leading with hey,
Speaker 1: you know, is everything okay? Is there anything I can
Speaker 1: do to support you? Will open up a space for
Speaker 1: if that person feels comfortable. Now again, they may not
Speaker 1: feel comfortable already or whatever to share anything with you,
Speaker 1: But I think you going on record kind of coming
Speaker 1: from a place of care and concern goes a much
Speaker 1: further way and maybe registers differently with the person than hey,
Speaker 1: it looks like you are one hundred pounds smaller. That
Speaker 1: probably does not register as care.
Speaker 2: Totally agree absolutely.
Speaker 1: More from our conversation after the break.
Speaker 2: So for our last topic, we're actually going to go
Speaker 2: back to lotto. I feel like we have brought her
Speaker 2: up a couple of times on some thoughts, but she's
Speaker 2: in the news again because she was recently captured pushing
Speaker 2: her newborn and a stroller toward a private jet. Now,
Speaker 2: the video quickly made its way to social media, and
Speaker 2: people began questioning whether this was a safe way to
Speaker 2: be traveling with the baby, whether it was safe for
Speaker 2: the baby at all, germs, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: Someone commented actually on the video, sharing that no matter
Speaker 2: how much money they made in their life, they wouldn't
Speaker 2: put their baby at risk like this, and a Loto
Speaker 2: actually responded back to them saying, good thing, it's not
Speaker 2: your baby. So I think it's kind of like a
Speaker 2: double edged sort of like some people online were like
Speaker 2: genuinely concerned for the child, but also have to navigate
Speaker 2: the fact that that's not your child. So, like, how
Speaker 2: and why does motherhood seem to invite so much public scrutiny,
Speaker 2: especially from celebrities who are in the public eye too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have definitely talked about a lot of a
Speaker 1: couple of times, which I think is interesting. But I
Speaker 1: think given the nature of our podcast and like she's
Speaker 1: a new mom, I think there's just been a lot happening,
Speaker 1: you know, but it does feel like motherhood is one
Speaker 1: of those things that like people just feel like they
Speaker 1: have commentary and opinions about either you are a mother,
Speaker 1: you've had a mother, right Like, I think the rearing
Speaker 1: of children is something that people just feel like, oh,
Speaker 1: we all have opinions about, and you know, because it
Speaker 1: doesn't come with a manual, right like, there is no
Speaker 1: no guidebook around, like how to raise healthy, happy kids. People,
Speaker 1: I think, in some ways would think that they are
Speaker 1: being helpful right now. Not everybody, right like, you know,
Speaker 1: everybody does not have well good intentions. But I think
Speaker 1: for the most part, a lot of people are like
Speaker 1: offering commentary in the hopes that like it will protect
Speaker 1: your child, or like they are offering you something to
Speaker 1: kind of help you in your journey as a mother.
Speaker 1: But I think for a lot of women, the idea
Speaker 1: of motherhood or the state of motherhood already comes with
Speaker 1: so much criticism, so much self criticism, that this unsolicited
Speaker 1: advice and commentary often just makes moms feel much worse
Speaker 1: and shamed, right that, oh my gosh, I did something
Speaker 1: and put my baby at jeopardy. I didn't know this.
Speaker 1: I think that there's so much pressure that is on
Speaker 1: moms that any unsolicited advice just becomes the loud speaker
Speaker 1: on some thoughts that are probably already very critical and
Speaker 1: so maybe some not helpful ways. And so I think
Speaker 1: people think that it's like harmless to offer this commentary.
Speaker 1: You see this a lot, especially, I've noticed lots of
Speaker 1: different places, but one of the places I've noticed in
Speaker 1: most is like with seat belt commentary. Right, Like if
Speaker 1: you show your baby in a car seat, like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm about to run to the store, follow me on
Speaker 1: my way to the store, there's guaranteed to be somebody
Speaker 1: in the comments that says, oh, the baby's buckle needs
Speaker 1: to be higher too, you know. And again I think
Speaker 1: that is well intentioned, right, because nobody wants to see,
Speaker 1: you know, something happening and a child is injured in
Speaker 1: a car accident. But again you have to think about,
Speaker 1: like how many thoughts moms are already having about am
Speaker 1: I doing this right? Am I getting it wrong? And
Speaker 1: how you are maybe adding gasoline to the fire when
Speaker 1: you're offering this unsolicited commentary. Now, Bria, I also want
Speaker 1: to back up though, when you saw this commentary, what
Speaker 1: was the concern around the baby being on the private jet.
Speaker 1: Was it like, oh, it's jermy, Like what the concern there?
Speaker 2: It was more so about the ears popping. I think
Speaker 2: a lot of people were like, she's flying private, so
Speaker 2: there's not people around xyz. But apparently it's think about
Speaker 2: the ear pressure. I have a lot of grace for
Speaker 2: moms because I'm not a mom, and I feel like
Speaker 2: I learned something new every day, so I'm like, that
Speaker 2: never would have even occurred to me. But something about
Speaker 2: the ear pressure, got it and got it?
Speaker 1: That makes sense? That makes sense? Okay, Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it makes sense that that would be a concern. Lots
Speaker 1: of babies fly, and you know, I think the best
Speaker 1: kind of advice that I've heard being a mom is like, oh,
Speaker 1: you nurse them or you give them a battle while yeah,
Speaker 1: you kind of reader atultitude and that typically helps. So
Speaker 1: there are lots of different ways to kind of manage
Speaker 1: air pressure on flights if that was people's kind of
Speaker 1: main concern, But I was confused as to like why
Speaker 1: there was so much. Yeah, I feel a concern about it.
Speaker 2: As far as a German perspective, flying private is probably
Speaker 2: your best pens.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, right, right?
Speaker 2: For new moms everywhere. How can parents decide whose advice
Speaker 2: is actually worth listening to protecting their own mental health
Speaker 2: when it just feels like so many people have opinions
Speaker 2: on what's right, what's wrong, all the different things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think listening to your physician and your baby's
Speaker 1: physician is probably where you should go in terms of
Speaker 1: leading advice for your particular journey as a mom. Right
Speaker 1: because even if we are all moms, everybody has a
Speaker 1: different baby. We are different as moms, and so what
Speaker 1: work for my kids may not work for your kids.
Speaker 1: And so even if I'm offering well intentioned advice, it
Speaker 1: may not actually work for you because your situation and
Speaker 1: your children are very different. And so I think getting
Speaker 1: advice from trained professionals, whether that is your pediatrician, your obgyn,
Speaker 1: your therapists, you know, your electation consultant, right like, people
Speaker 1: who actually have a relationship with you and you know
Speaker 1: you and your baby, if that you know matters in
Speaker 1: the situation, I think that that is a better place
Speaker 1: to get advice than just kind of general strangers on
Speaker 1: the internet. Now. I do understand though, because sometimes you
Speaker 1: will find yourself in like very weird predicaments with kids, right,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, this random thing happened, Like has anybody
Speaker 1: else dealt with this? Like what should I do? It
Speaker 1: is very easy to kind of just fire off, you know,
Speaker 1: a random question while you are facing some kind of situation,
Speaker 1: but that does didn't invite like all these opinions around
Speaker 1: what kinds of things might be happening. And I think
Speaker 1: also then kind of put a microscope on like your parenting, right,
Speaker 1: and like allows judgments to be made about who you
Speaker 1: are as a parent. And so I think sometimes getting
Speaker 1: advice on from people online is okay, but it is
Speaker 1: far better like to keep your circle closer in the
Speaker 1: circle the most inner circle should be your like medical
Speaker 1: professional support team and then maybe like moms in your
Speaker 1: family or moms that you're connected to in some other ways,
Speaker 1: and then it goes out from there.
Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of conversation about like the mom
Speaker 2: Facebook groups where everyone like, oh, like a lot.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I definitely made that mistake very early in
Speaker 1: my motherhood, and I was like, oh, this is okay,
Speaker 1: I got to get out of here.
Speaker 2: It's like a million opinions on one question.
Speaker 1: That's funny, and not just opinions, it is judgment, right,
Speaker 1: Like it would be one thing if it were like, oh,
Speaker 1: here's something that worked for me, you may want to
Speaker 1: try this. It instead often has the flavor of all
Speaker 1: breastfeeding is best, and so if you don't do that,
Speaker 1: then you're like dooming your child to like thousand here's
Speaker 1: like it's often not just here's something that could be helpful,
Speaker 1: and it is often like I know best, and like if
Speaker 1: you don't do it the way I said or the
Speaker 1: way I did, then you're not a good mother, right,
Speaker 1: And I think that is often the flavor those comments.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, thank you so much. This was a great conversation.
Speaker 2: But that wraps up our topics for the week.
Speaker 1: Perfect and that's a great list. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for that, Brian. And if there are topics happening in
Speaker 1: your pop culture circles that you would like us to weigh,
Speaker 1: you know, please send those to us at Therapy for
Speaker 1: Black Girls dot com slash mailbox. And until next time,
Speaker 1: taking care of yourself.