Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to OOKP Daily with Me
Speaker 1: your Girl, Danielle Moody recording from the Home Bunker, Folks,
Speaker 1: I'm very excited about today's episode and for you to
Speaker 1: take a listen to it. I had the pleasure of
Speaker 1: interviewing and we're actually doing a episode swap and share
Speaker 1: with Jason Petty aka Prop, who is the host of
Speaker 1: Hood Politics over on iHeart. And I'm really excited because
Speaker 1: the conversation, you know, we really covered a lot of
Speaker 1: ground in talking about black participation in politics, props thoughts
Speaker 1: on why mistakenly there are some black men that support
Speaker 1: Donald and why that's problematic. We talk about, you know,
Speaker 1: voter suppression, we talk about, you know, democratic messaging. We
Speaker 1: talk about so much because what I really love about
Speaker 1: Hood Politics and PROPS show is that he makes politics
Speaker 1: accessible to everybody. He's like, if you have been hustling
Speaker 1: on the corner, or a former member of a gang,
Speaker 1: or you are you know, formally incarcerated, like you understand politics.
Speaker 1: You understand politics probably more than most, and trying to
Speaker 1: engage people in a way that doesn't make it feel
Speaker 1: like this is for somebody else, that this is actually
Speaker 1: about your life and how politics play such a huge
Speaker 1: part in your life, right, and so I think that
Speaker 1: the conversation is extraordinarily rich. I really hope that you
Speaker 1: all enjoy it. Please let me know in the com
Speaker 1: sections what you think about the things that we cover,
Speaker 1: and also check out props show Hood Politics also with
Speaker 1: iHeart folks. I am super excited to be doing a
Speaker 1: crossover episode with a fellow iHeart a podcaster, a fellow politico,
Speaker 1: Jason Petty aka Propaganda, who is the host of Hood Politics.
Speaker 1: I love what you say under the description of the show,
Speaker 1: which is basically like, you know, if you've ever, you know,
Speaker 1: been in a gang, if you've ever liked been in
Speaker 1: the street, if you know you know anything about that,
Speaker 1: then you know politics facts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I.
Speaker 1: Think that that for me, I was just like, oh,
Speaker 1: how opening is that? Like, yeah, because you because the
Speaker 1: way that politics is discussed has all always been this
Speaker 1: very narrow you need to have a degree, you need
Speaker 1: to have this like all of this kind of bullshit,
Speaker 1: and what you're offering is like, no, politics is for
Speaker 1: all of us, for every for every one of us.
Speaker 1: So talk to me. I guess about how your show
Speaker 1: got started and why?
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude. Then, first of all, thank you for for
Speaker 2: for reaching out and making this happen. Yeah, Like, whether
Speaker 2: it's like you were in a gang or you ran
Speaker 2: from them, you know, you the the the interactions, the
Speaker 2: ways for which you had to learn to navigate just
Speaker 2: to survive. The world that we're in is like you,
Speaker 2: like you said, like you, you, we're we're made to
Speaker 2: feel like we don't know what we're talking about. And
Speaker 2: the more that I became more formally educated, the more
Speaker 2: I was like, man, a lot of this, Like I
Speaker 2: know a lot of this already, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: I just didn't. I didn't know these words or these terms,
Speaker 2: you know, right, and uh and and then when I uh,
Speaker 2: before I was doing like music and podcasts and stuff,
Speaker 2: like before I was doing that full time, I was
Speaker 2: teaching high school, I was teaching at juvenile halls. And
Speaker 2: so if you're teaching at juvie, like I mean, if anything,
Speaker 2: it's like I'm just trying to figure out how to
Speaker 2: keep y'all engaged, you know. And so as I was
Speaker 2: finding I was like, man, there's I'm pulling for my
Speaker 2: own past. I'm pulling from experiences they had, and I'm
Speaker 2: like dude, it's like it's really like we really know
Speaker 2: this no more than we think we do, you know.
Speaker 2: And and I think ultimately, like you said, like I'm
Speaker 2: super passionate about the fact that like politics, that maybe
Speaker 2: the name of it, but they're discussing our lives like
Speaker 2: you're you're you're discussing things that in a lot of
Speaker 2: ways don't even affect them. It affects us. So and
Speaker 2: then with the the like like like like like Mama
Speaker 2: and Auntie and them would say the un mitigated gall
Speaker 2: to act like I am not I'm like, I don't
Speaker 2: I'm not worthy to be in this conversation because I
Speaker 2: ain't got the vocabulary you got, Like I'm like, this
Speaker 2: is absurd. You're discussing my life, you know. So, so
Speaker 2: I feel like the more that like what I wanted
Speaker 2: to do was come in and really like like translate that,
Speaker 2: you know, for for us. You know what I mean,
Speaker 2: And you know what I mean when I say us,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like I'm trying to translate
Speaker 2: that to and and hopefully to like I want to
Speaker 2: onboard you Like I'm like, why why shouldn't Pooky and
Speaker 2: them run for city council. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Like you actually you know the streets better than the
Speaker 2: rest of us, you know what I'm saying. Like we
Speaker 2: talk a lot about like like I explained the difference
Speaker 2: between like real political power and like astro turfing, Like
Speaker 2: you know, I already know, like you know, your uncle,
Speaker 2: your auntie and them could send out a text be like, Hey,
Speaker 2: we're gonna be at the park on Saturday. You got
Speaker 2: fifty people there. Like that's real power, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. So I'm like, I just I wanted people
Speaker 2: to like to to participate in something that has much
Speaker 2: more to do about their lives than than they think
Speaker 2: they did they think it, do you know, and that
Speaker 2: you're actually well way more equipped than you think you are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that that's right. And I also think
Speaker 1: that the the the narrative around politics has been set
Speaker 1: up in a way to make people feel like no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you go ahead and vote in these uh these representatives
Speaker 1: right who who know more, who are who are smarter
Speaker 1: than you, who will figure things out so that you
Speaker 1: don't have to bother yourself with them or educate yourself
Speaker 1: in any type of way. I actually put up a
Speaker 1: post on broke ass Twitter, uh recently because I said that.
Speaker 1: You know, I I was a fellow on Capitol Hill.
Speaker 1: I worked for a member of Congress. That's how I
Speaker 1: got like first started.
Speaker 2: In in politics.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like that's how I first got started. And this
Speaker 1: is one hundred years ago. And I had such reverence
Speaker 1: for Capitol Hill. I had such reverence for these members
Speaker 1: of Congress. And now you look at these people and
Speaker 1: they are absurdly like clowns, like it is. It's it's
Speaker 1: a travesty, right, like how how how ignorant they are
Speaker 1: and how much they are celebrating you know that ignorance,
Speaker 1: and so it for me, it's like, no, if we
Speaker 1: were to rename politics, it would be like called you know,
Speaker 1: your daily life, like right, like if you were to
Speaker 1: if we were to say, like, it's not politics, it's
Speaker 1: your day. You were voting on what your day to
Speaker 1: day life, your day right life, and it's your day
Speaker 1: to day life.
Speaker 2: When you see these dudes, like when you see them
Speaker 2: up close, you're just like, oh, nigga, you're twelve, you're
Speaker 2: and you're just trying to get put on. So you're
Speaker 2: saying whatever you need to say so you could stay
Speaker 2: put on. It's so it's so like you like, man,
Speaker 2: that's so true when you see it up close, and
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, fam you you didn't. You haven't read
Speaker 2: any of them. You haven't read these briefs, like you
Speaker 2: didn't right now, you didn't read it. Like so I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm more informed than you are. Yeah. When you when
Speaker 2: you when it, when you see it up close, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like the facade falls. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And it's and I think that that's what people and
Speaker 1: that's why I really like the the onboarding, the opening
Speaker 1: up that your show is offering, because we need more people,
Speaker 1: not less, to be involved. And I think that the
Speaker 1: way that the Republicans their strategy has been, let us
Speaker 1: just throw a bunch of shit at the wall, let
Speaker 1: us exhaust as many people as we possibly can. Let's
Speaker 1: overwhelm write this system with crazy, and then those that
Speaker 1: would likely be to tap in will tap out because
Speaker 1: they just don't have the bandwidth for it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: And so I think that it's I think that it's
Speaker 1: in important one for people to recognize that that's a strategy,
Speaker 1: the overwhelm, the ignorance that it isn't it isn't just
Speaker 1: by accident, brilliant?
Speaker 2: What do you do you do you think that that's like,
Speaker 2: do you do you find that? Like your show has
Speaker 2: sort of the same kind of like like ethoughts, like
Speaker 2: you're like the point you're trying to make is that
Speaker 2: like you're smarter than you think you are? Is that?
Speaker 2: Is that kind of I listened to a lot of
Speaker 2: your shows, and it's like, first of all, you're brilliant,
Speaker 2: Like let me just say that number one.
Speaker 1: Thank you brilliant.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? And and I love the
Speaker 2: like you know part of me with listeners can take
Speaker 2: this how every they want. But like the sound of
Speaker 2: black women being fully black women is like a warm
Speaker 2: blanket for me. So to just hear you, just to
Speaker 2: hear you speak naturally, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 2: sh Like I'm like that's yeah, I need that like
Speaker 2: that Like I'm like, huh, I yes, anyway.
Speaker 1: Go on, yeah, yeah, I think that for me. WOKF
Speaker 1: started out The show started out of anger. It was
Speaker 1: a response to Donald Trump becoming president of the United States.
Speaker 1: So the show launched in twenty sixteen or twenty seventeen. Brother,
Speaker 1: And what I will say is that for me, I
Speaker 1: wanted people to recognize that they have more power than
Speaker 1: they think, right, that this game that these white, old,
Speaker 1: you know, rich straight men are playing, it is a
Speaker 1: game about power, and the way that they take power
Speaker 1: from you is to make you believe you have none.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: And so my show has always been about raising consciousness.
Speaker 1: Like no, no, no, no, no. You see why your
Speaker 1: school board looks the way it does, it's because you
Speaker 1: didn't show up to the school board. Meaning, but you
Speaker 1: know who always shows up, The seventy year old racist
Speaker 1: white people that live in your neighborhood. They're the ones
Speaker 1: that are always going to show up because they have
Speaker 1: time and they are making and they are making the
Speaker 1: time to do it right. So the reason why certain
Speaker 1: things look the way they do is because those people
Speaker 1: they are they are committed to their racism, they are
Speaker 1: committed to hatred, and they will do and stop it
Speaker 1: nothing in order to make sure that the system remains
Speaker 1: the way it is. So for me, it's about raising
Speaker 1: people's consciousness and saying no, no, no, no, no, yes. The
Speaker 1: place that we're in is incredibly overwhelming and incredibly dark
Speaker 1: and incredibly frustrating, but that at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: we have more numbers. We have the numbers. We have
Speaker 1: the people, right, the people just need to wake to
Speaker 1: wake the fuck up, wake up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that you called it well one because
Speaker 2: like it's before the name.
Speaker 1: Was stolen from a systry, correct as it was before
Speaker 1: if it came like yeah.
Speaker 2: Before they stole it and redefined it, which is another
Speaker 2: thing that they do, which is another like move of
Speaker 2: power to like take something that sounds familiar and redefine
Speaker 2: it and then give it back to us as if
Speaker 2: we don't know what we talk about, you know. So
Speaker 2: I love that you like kept the name to be
Speaker 2: like no, no, no, no, no, you don't you don't get it,
Speaker 2: you don't. I'm not just gonna I'm not just gonna
Speaker 2: let you have this Like nah, yeah, I think too.
Speaker 2: Like what what what I picked up from a lot
Speaker 2: of a few of your episodes is really and about
Speaker 2: the example that you gave is the fact that like
Speaker 2: as broken as the system is, like it it does work,
Speaker 2: you know, which is which is why such an effort
Speaker 2: to disenfranchise us, you know, even if you go back
Speaker 2: to like reconstruction and like why we were disenfranchised from
Speaker 2: voting is because when we did you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: why are there why are there at least five black
Speaker 2: neighborhoods under Lakes Because because it works, you know, and
Speaker 2: so so to so to lock us out to convince
Speaker 2: us that we don't know what we're talking about, is
Speaker 2: because why you don't show up at the you know,
Speaker 2: like you said, the school boards, or why to be like, Okay,
Speaker 2: let's let's make sure. Let's make sure voting polls are
Speaker 2: only between the hours of ten and four. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying why everybody's it's because it works. You know.
Speaker 1: I constantly say on the show every time that we're
Speaker 1: coming up on an election, and all elections, is that
Speaker 1: no one tries to steal anything that isn't worth something.
Speaker 1: So if people are trying to steal your vote aka
Speaker 1: voter suppression, it is because your vote is valuable.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: If people are trying to throw out your ballots, right,
Speaker 1: it is because your voice is valuable, right, because nobody
Speaker 1: tries to steal something that is of no value to them.
Speaker 2: Man, did you guys have did you guys have the
Speaker 2: the fake ballot boxes around your way? No?
Speaker 1: No, I live in I live in New York. I'm
Speaker 1: like I live in Brooklyn.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's that's not gonna happen. So we saw
Speaker 2: him around Kelly, like I'm in LA, like East La,
Speaker 2: and we saw him. Obviously it was targeted because this
Speaker 2: is like a black and brown neighborhood, so you would
Speaker 2: put you would put them over here. But for me,
Speaker 2: it was so it was funny, like that is so
Speaker 2: funny to me. How like it's like you have to
Speaker 2: look at you looking at somebody like, yo, that's your
Speaker 2: man's like get your man's like word like this is
Speaker 2: really is this your king?
Speaker 1: This is what y'all doing, y'all put Yeah, Yeah, it.
Speaker 2: Was funny to me that, Like, how man, it's just
Speaker 2: like like I know, I know clearly like consistency doesn't
Speaker 2: matter to these people or how corny you look. But
Speaker 2: I'm like that is corny, Like there's there is something
Speaker 2: about I feel like us people of color in general,
Speaker 2: like we have a there's a code that we live by,
Speaker 2: and like part of that code is like what I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna be is corny. Right, that's corny, you.
Speaker 1: Know, right because you because you don't have the ability
Speaker 1: to actually like basically what you're saying is you ain't
Speaker 1: shit and you actually have to you have to go
Speaker 1: to these incredible lengths in order to cheat, because if
Speaker 1: it was just based on merit alone, yeah, you you
Speaker 1: you were not right, like so and I and I
Speaker 1: feel like if we were to if we and I
Speaker 1: and I say, like, if folks were to talk about
Speaker 1: the Republican Party in that way and being like they
Speaker 1: are just objectively corny as fuck, it's just like they
Speaker 1: just they don't they don't have the swag, they don't
Speaker 1: have the ability, they don't have the intellect, they don't
Speaker 1: have the charisma. What they do have an abundance of
Speaker 1: is hate and the ability to cheat and cheat and
Speaker 1: do so unchecked right in a lot of ways because
Speaker 1: their whiteness protects them. And so I like to me,
Speaker 1: I think, you know, and I want to talk to
Speaker 1: you about about twenty twenty four and the black vote
Speaker 1: and what is what you know I'm hearing and I
Speaker 1: want to hear like what you're hearing from the people
Speaker 1: that listen to you. But black people particularly and I'll
Speaker 1: say older black people and younger black people are really
Speaker 1: frustrated with Joe Biden for a myriad of reasons. And
Speaker 1: one of them right, like there was just recently an
Speaker 1: article in the New York Times and an advertisement that
Speaker 1: was put out by like a thousand black pastors and
Speaker 1: churches that are calling for a cease fire, that are saying,
Speaker 1: how can you talk about the soul of this nation
Speaker 1: and fighting for democracy? And this is what our money
Speaker 1: is going to fund? On top of that? Just you know,
Speaker 1: are you you like, are you once again using us
Speaker 1: right in a way that we've been used before. We
Speaker 1: know what the stakes are, right, you don't have to
Speaker 1: tell us about what happens if Donald Trump becomes president again.
Speaker 1: Black people live this right like we are. We are
Speaker 1: very aware and so you know, my my, my question
Speaker 1: for you is what are you hearing? Because I hear
Speaker 1: a mix of I'm gonna vote my values, I'm not,
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I I you know, and they're saying
Speaker 1: this now and it's it's you know, we're in February, right,
Speaker 1: We're still nine months away. It's still very early. But
Speaker 1: but what are you hearing from folks that are that
Speaker 1: are that are listened to you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm hearing, like you said, I'm hearing a lot
Speaker 2: like it's kind of all over the board. And what
Speaker 2: I've noticed is at least among black people, your socioeconomic
Speaker 2: status has actually played a bigger deciding factor that I found.
Speaker 2: Like generally I have found Black people as community when
Speaker 2: it comes to our votes in our politics is it's
Speaker 2: very transactional in the sense that like I don't have
Speaker 2: to like any of y'all what you're gonna do for us,
Speaker 2: you know, and and if you could show and prove,
Speaker 2: like if I can honestly say, like my life is better,
Speaker 2: my children are better, We're not being locked up, like
Speaker 2: we're not being hunted, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 2: you doing something about you know, police brutality, doing stuff
Speaker 2: about the money doing some of our community. And it's like,
Speaker 2: word whatever, you know what I'm saying. At least and
Speaker 2: you don't sound ye at least you're not talking racists,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Right, So like at least
Speaker 2: you're not saying it, you know what I mean? So
Speaker 2: like stuff be super transactional that I found at the
Speaker 2: same time, Like, so with that said, like we're not
Speaker 2: I found we're not very like we're centrist, Like we're
Speaker 2: not very progressive. Where it's just like I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't talk all that all that because my dad
Speaker 2: was a black panther. So like for me, a lot
Speaker 2: of times when I start talking like the hommies, it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: here we go. You know, he on that revolutionary you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. So like there's like that you
Speaker 2: feel me. And then at the other side, if they
Speaker 2: are gonna be obviously it's like it's mask off with
Speaker 2: the Republicans. So they're like, well, it's mask off with y'all.
Speaker 2: So like that's like kind of a non starter. But
Speaker 2: what I found is when you feel like we're not
Speaker 2: getting back, like we've we've given the Democratic Party so
Speaker 2: much and we haven't we haven't received you know what
Speaker 2: you said you was gonna give us. At this point,
Speaker 2: it's like, well, I mean, at least I know at
Speaker 2: least I know what it is with the Republicans, at
Speaker 2: least I know what it is. And then your default
Speaker 2: is to become selfish and be like, well, I'm just
Speaker 2: gonna give mine, like I'm just gonna if I can't.
Speaker 2: If you not like I thought it was about us.
Speaker 2: I thought it was I thought it was squad. It's
Speaker 2: not about us, okay, word, and I'm just gonna give
Speaker 2: mine At least I know what it is you want.
Speaker 2: You want, you just want money? Okay, word me too,
Speaker 2: I'm saying. Right, So so I found that a lot
Speaker 2: of times, like it's like, well, since clearly I don't
Speaker 2: trust none of y'all's morals anyway, then I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 2: who's gonna get me to the bag? Faster? Has been
Speaker 2: what I have found now to your point, as far
Speaker 2: as age demographic, I feel like Gaza is gonna Gaza
Speaker 2: could cost Joe the election. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like even with the stuff that, like
Speaker 2: cause again it was like you was, you was talking
Speaker 2: talking when we started, you know, and yeah, like I
Speaker 2: was like, at least you like you could say, well,
Speaker 2: at least he's not Fela, like b I'm somebody to
Speaker 2: the stone age, you know what I mean. And it's like, well, bro,
Speaker 2: now you're doing that, like right, bruh like own fam
Speaker 2: you know. So so yeah, both of us in our
Speaker 2: you know, uh coastal enclaves obviously like our lenses are yeah,
Speaker 2: are are pretty distorted. So like my best to get
Speaker 2: out of that. But like what I have found, especially
Speaker 2: what's crazy is what I have found is like Trump
Speaker 2: resonates with like hood dudes like Street, which.
Speaker 1: I just I don't get it. I just don't get it.
Speaker 1: I don't agree, I don't agree, but I get it.
Speaker 1: What is the what is it?
Speaker 2: Because because they recognize that he's a boss, like this
Speaker 2: is a gangster. They're like, you're just I understand this,
Speaker 2: You're just a gangster.
Speaker 1: It's like I'm never wrong, but there's no code, there's
Speaker 1: no He throws his own fucking clique under the bus.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I'm saying? Like there's no honor there.
Speaker 2: I know, but it's like you nigga should have fell
Speaker 2: in line. Wow, I'm saying that, Like I get it,
Speaker 2: Like you supposed to fall in line, Like I told
Speaker 2: you what we was doing, this was this, This was
Speaker 2: the system. This what we're doing. You fall in line,
Speaker 2: you stay loyal, were good, you know. But I agree too,
Speaker 2: cause I'm just like I agree too, Like man, but
Speaker 2: like but when it comes, you're gonna let all your
Speaker 2: boys go to prison for you, Like I don't. I
Speaker 2: don't understand that. But they're like, bro, it's like mob stuff,
Speaker 2: that's my stuff. Like you supposed to be able to,
Speaker 2: you supposed to like if we all if we all own,
Speaker 2: you're supposed to take your team, you're supposed to take
Speaker 2: your five ten five ten years. I'm gonna put money
Speaker 2: on your books and make sure you're family good. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna put that on what he is doing. That's what
Speaker 2: you like.
Speaker 1: So I'm saying like if you are, because I and
Speaker 1: I cannot pretend to know the ins and outs of
Speaker 1: anybody's of gang life, of street life, of anything, but
Speaker 1: what I will say, the little the little snippets that
Speaker 1: I've seen in her, It's like, whether I agree with
Speaker 1: it or not, there is a code. There is a
Speaker 1: code of like you protect you protect your own, like
Speaker 1: this is this is our this is our click, this
Speaker 1: is our tribe, this is whomever. Like, yes, if somebody
Speaker 1: does go away, like we're gonna do our best to
Speaker 1: make sure that like they're taken care of, you know,
Speaker 1: and then when that person comes out that we're going
Speaker 1: to try and give them what it is that you
Speaker 1: know we held on to them or whatever. And I'm
Speaker 1: just like, so just in that vein right, what you like?
Speaker 1: This man is?
Speaker 2: I agree? I mean I feel like if you don't,
Speaker 2: like they're also not I mean, it's not like they
Speaker 2: sitting down and like following all ninety one charges, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, right, and just know what this
Speaker 2: dude's putting out, which is like I'm the boss, Like
Speaker 2: this is what I do. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And I can and I can get that from I
Speaker 2: can get it from a cursory standpoint. And then and
Speaker 2: then even among that community, there's diversity of thought. There
Speaker 2: are dudes that are like, nah, like you said, this
Speaker 2: man got no honor. Like, you know, the more that
Speaker 2: you see him up close, you like, this man got
Speaker 2: no honor. You realize all of its cap Like he's
Speaker 2: not a millionaire, he's not a billionaire. It's not really
Speaker 2: his money, you know. But that's the type of stuff
Speaker 2: that I feel like that's where me and you come
Speaker 2: in when we sit down and say now old now.
Speaker 1: Like right this because I'm because yeah.
Speaker 2: Not true, not true. Now you make your own decision,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying at the end.
Speaker 1: Of the act, but do it with actual information and
Speaker 1: not just the things that he's putting out. We're rapping
Speaker 1: on time, But let me close out with this question
Speaker 1: for you, which is this. You know, we have nine
Speaker 1: months until the election. If prop if Trump manages to
Speaker 1: steal this election, to win this election. I talk about
Speaker 1: it every day on woo KF that this country our
Speaker 1: democracy ish, which is which is what it is for
Speaker 1: black and brown people, for queer people, for anyone who's
Speaker 1: not white and wealthy and straight and Christian. It's democracy light.
Speaker 1: But if Trump gets in, do you think that people
Speaker 1: truly understand what will happen? Do you think that the
Speaker 1: consequences like that, or that they think that we'll just
Speaker 1: be able to hang on like we did in the
Speaker 1: first four years.
Speaker 2: No. I think my I come from like history, social science,
Speaker 2: like educational background, and when you come from that, it's
Speaker 2: like I can name off hand ten democracies that collapsed,
Speaker 2: like it happens all the time. Democracies collapse, you know,
Speaker 2: and nations collapse and they rebuild. I think that I
Speaker 2: find that any predictions are usually off the mark in
Speaker 2: either direction. Like you know, I feel like it's not
Speaker 2: like the day after he gets elected the world's going
Speaker 2: to go up in flames, and it's also not like
Speaker 2: nothing's going to happen, you know what I'm saying. Like,
Speaker 2: I think that the slow crawl, which clearly starts did
Speaker 2: decades ago into the collapse of the American democracy and
Speaker 2: it'll become something else later. But you know, the idea
Speaker 2: of an autocratic you know, dictator, which he is, is
Speaker 2: like this happens all over the world all the time.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. It's the it's the death
Speaker 2: of an empire. It's really we're really watching the slow
Speaker 2: death of an empire. It is what it is. I
Speaker 2: don't think people really understand what that means and how
Speaker 2: it looks, and then how long it's going to take
Speaker 2: to if we'll ever become an empire again, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't. I think that people have a much like
Speaker 2: shorter understanding of history than they than they should, you know,
Speaker 2: which to me actually gives me a little peace in
Speaker 2: the sense that like there is such thing as France,
Speaker 2: like Greece is still a country, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Those were collapse, the democracy, like they've collapsed, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, And now I mean it still exists,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So I think in some senses,
Speaker 2: having a longer view of history, like I'm like, in
Speaker 2: the same way that like when the meteor, the asteroid
Speaker 2: that killed the dinosaur struck you know, it wiped out
Speaker 2: life and then earth was fine. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I think that there is there is that like it
Speaker 2: ultimately will be fine. Will we survive it? I don't
Speaker 2: know if we're gonna survive correct, Yeah, but I do
Speaker 2: think I yeah, I think that like Trump in the
Speaker 2: sense again going back to like why like I think
Speaker 2: hoods does like recognize it is like he's like, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna do what I said. I'm gonna do like I
Speaker 2: told y'all day one, I'm finna black pos up like that.
Speaker 2: I don't understand. I told you that's what I was
Speaker 2: gonna do. And I was like, yes, he did what
Speaker 2: he said he was gonna do. You know. So I
Speaker 2: think that like there's there's there's that. I do think
Speaker 2: that there's that reality. I think also think the reality
Speaker 2: that people are not accepting is the fact that he
Speaker 2: might win. That is a high possibility that he is
Speaker 2: that he will win this election. Now he's I also
Speaker 2: get frustrated with the fact that people talk like he
Speaker 2: like y'all forget he lost twenty twenty like that he did.
Speaker 2: He did lose, you guys, Yeah, he lost, like y'all,
Speaker 2: y'all talking about him like he won, like he he lost,
Speaker 2: you know, so so yeah, but yeah, I don't I
Speaker 2: don't think people understand like the idea of like you
Speaker 2: could live in a fallen democracy, that that is possible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I have loved this conversation so very much.
Speaker 1: We will have to do more of these as we
Speaker 1: count down to the election.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna have to We're gonna have to do
Speaker 2: some like reaction pods or like did you see this?
Speaker 1: We absolutely will. So this is we'll say this is
Speaker 1: the first installment crossover wok F and Hood Politics prop.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. It has been fantastic.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I appreciate, appreciate you everything you're doing, the
Speaker 2: way you bringing it like this is dog. Thank you.
Speaker 1: That is it for me today, dear friends on wok
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