WEBVTT - No Honor Among Thieves 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:14.800 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to OOKP Daily with Me 0:00:15.000 --> 0:00:19.079 your Girl, Danielle Moody recording from the Home Bunker, Folks, 0:00:19.840 --> 0:00:23.279 I'm very excited about today's episode and for you to 0:00:23.320 --> 0:00:26.599 take a listen to it. I had the pleasure of 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:31.960 interviewing and we're actually doing a episode swap and share 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:38.279 with Jason Petty aka Prop, who is the host of 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:43.720 Hood Politics over on iHeart. And I'm really excited because 0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:47.720 the conversation, you know, we really covered a lot of 0:00:47.760 --> 0:00:53.240 ground in talking about black participation in politics, props thoughts 0:00:53.360 --> 0:00:59.520 on why mistakenly there are some black men that support 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:04.560 Donald and why that's problematic. We talk about, you know, 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:09.920 voter suppression, we talk about, you know, democratic messaging. We 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:13.679 talk about so much because what I really love about 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:20.880 Hood Politics and PROPS show is that he makes politics 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:24.640 accessible to everybody. He's like, if you have been hustling 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:27.919 on the corner, or a former member of a gang, 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:33.440 or you are you know, formally incarcerated, like you understand politics. 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:38.320 You understand politics probably more than most, and trying to 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:42.000 engage people in a way that doesn't make it feel 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:45.120 like this is for somebody else, that this is actually 0:01:45.160 --> 0:01:49.600 about your life and how politics play such a huge 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:53.720 part in your life, right, and so I think that 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:57.960 the conversation is extraordinarily rich. I really hope that you 0:01:58.000 --> 0:01:59.880 all enjoy it. Please let me know in the com 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:02.800 sections what you think about the things that we cover, 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:08.080 and also check out props show Hood Politics also with 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:15.280 iHeart folks. I am super excited to be doing a 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:22.960 crossover episode with a fellow iHeart a podcaster, a fellow politico, 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:31.920 Jason Petty aka Propaganda, who is the host of Hood Politics. 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:35.720 I love what you say under the description of the show, 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:40.680 which is basically like, you know, if you've ever, you know, 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:43.640 been in a gang, if you've ever liked been in 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:47.119 the street, if you know you know anything about that, 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:49.160 then you know politics facts. 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:50.079 Yeah, And I. 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:53.200 Think that that for me, I was just like, oh, 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:56.960 how opening is that? Like, yeah, because you because the 0:02:57.000 --> 0:03:00.760 way that politics is discussed has all always been this 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:03.240 very narrow you need to have a degree, you need 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:05.480 to have this like all of this kind of bullshit, 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:11.880 and what you're offering is like, no, politics is for 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:14.440 all of us, for every for every one of us. 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:18.640 So talk to me. I guess about how your show 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:20.840 got started and why? 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:24.640 Yeah, dude. Then, first of all, thank you for for 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:28.280 for reaching out and making this happen. Yeah, Like, whether 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:30.079 it's like you were in a gang or you ran 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:35.840 from them, you know, you the the the interactions, the 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:37.880 ways for which you had to learn to navigate just 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:40.280 to survive. The world that we're in is like you, 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:43.360 like you said, like you, you, we're we're made to 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:46.279 feel like we don't know what we're talking about. And 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:49.440 the more that I became more formally educated, the more 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:51.760 I was like, man, a lot of this, Like I 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:53.440 know a lot of this already, you know what I mean, 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:56.760 I just didn't. I didn't know these words or these terms, 0:03:56.840 --> 0:04:01.920 you know, right, and uh and and then when I uh, 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:05.040 before I was doing like music and podcasts and stuff, 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:06.280 like before I was doing that full time, I was 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:09.000 teaching high school, I was teaching at juvenile halls. And 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:13.360 so if you're teaching at juvie, like I mean, if anything, 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:16.039 it's like I'm just trying to figure out how to 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:21.320 keep y'all engaged, you know. And so as I was 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:24.000 finding I was like, man, there's I'm pulling for my 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:26.840 own past. I'm pulling from experiences they had, and I'm 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:30.080 like dude, it's like it's really like we really know 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:32.359 this no more than we think we do, you know. 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:37.360 And and I think ultimately, like you said, like I'm 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:42.040 super passionate about the fact that like politics, that maybe 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:46.039 the name of it, but they're discussing our lives like 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:50.000 you're you're you're discussing things that in a lot of 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:53.560 ways don't even affect them. It affects us. So and 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:58.480 then with the the like like like like like Mama 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:01.120 and Auntie and them would say the un mitigated gall 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:06.080 to act like I am not I'm like, I don't 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:08.000 I'm not worthy to be in this conversation because I 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:09.880 ain't got the vocabulary you got, Like I'm like, this 0:05:10.000 --> 0:05:14.800 is absurd. You're discussing my life, you know. So, so 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:19.119 I feel like the more that like what I wanted 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:22.440 to do was come in and really like like translate that, 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:26.520 you know, for for us. You know what I mean, 0:05:26.520 --> 0:05:27.800 And you know what I mean when I say us, 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:29.760 you know what I'm saying, Like I'm trying to translate 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:33.120 that to and and hopefully to like I want to 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:36.400 onboard you Like I'm like, why why shouldn't Pooky and 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:38.240 them run for city council. You know what I mean. 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:40.720 Like you actually you know the streets better than the 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:42.719 rest of us, you know what I'm saying. Like we 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:45.920 talk a lot about like like I explained the difference 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:49.359 between like real political power and like astro turfing, Like 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:52.360 you know, I already know, like you know, your uncle, 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:55.480 your auntie and them could send out a text be like, Hey, 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:57.200 we're gonna be at the park on Saturday. You got 0:05:57.600 --> 0:06:01.280 fifty people there. Like that's real power, you know what 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:04.719 I mean. So I'm like, I just I wanted people 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:09.560 to like to to participate in something that has much 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:13.040 more to do about their lives than than they think 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:14.760 they did they think it, do you know, and that 0:06:14.839 --> 0:06:17.360 you're actually well way more equipped than you think you are. 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:20.240 Yeah, I think that that's right. And I also think 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:24.760 that the the the narrative around politics has been set 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:27.880 up in a way to make people feel like no, no, no, 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:31.760 you go ahead and vote in these uh these representatives 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:35.040 right who who know more, who are who are smarter 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:38.120 than you, who will figure things out so that you 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:41.760 don't have to bother yourself with them or educate yourself 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:44.800 in any type of way. I actually put up a 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:51.119 post on broke ass Twitter, uh recently because I said that. 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:54.560 You know, I I was a fellow on Capitol Hill. 0:06:54.600 --> 0:06:56.520 I worked for a member of Congress. That's how I 0:06:56.560 --> 0:06:58.839 got like first started. 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:00.000 In in politics. 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:03.800 Yeah, like that's how I first got started. And this 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:06.960 is one hundred years ago. And I had such reverence 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:10.600 for Capitol Hill. I had such reverence for these members 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:13.520 of Congress. And now you look at these people and 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:18.160 they are absurdly like clowns, like it is. It's it's 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:22.720 a travesty, right, like how how how ignorant they are 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:26.040 and how much they are celebrating you know that ignorance, 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:29.280 and so it for me, it's like, no, if we 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:32.680 were to rename politics, it would be like called you know, 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:36.520 your daily life, like right, like if you were to 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:38.920 if we were to say, like, it's not politics, it's 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:41.760 your day. You were voting on what your day to 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:44.360 day life, your day right life, and it's your day 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:45.040 to day life. 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:47.120 When you see these dudes, like when you see them 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:51.720 up close, you're just like, oh, nigga, you're twelve, you're 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:54.400 and you're just trying to get put on. So you're 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:57.720 saying whatever you need to say so you could stay 0:07:57.720 --> 0:07:59.920 put on. It's so it's so like you like, man, 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:01.840 that's so true when you see it up close, and 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:05.800 it's like, oh, fam you you didn't. You haven't read 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:08.800 any of them. You haven't read these briefs, like you 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:12.160 didn't right now, you didn't read it. Like so I'm like, oh, 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:15.480 I'm more informed than you are. Yeah. When you when 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:17.320 you when it, when you see it up close, yeah, 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:21.000 it's like the facade falls. Yeah. Yeah. 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:23.360 And it's and I think that that's what people and 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:27.920 that's why I really like the the onboarding, the opening 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:33.480 up that your show is offering, because we need more people, 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:36.440 not less, to be involved. And I think that the 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:40.440 way that the Republicans their strategy has been, let us 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:42.600 just throw a bunch of shit at the wall, let 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:46.040 us exhaust as many people as we possibly can. Let's 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:50.640 overwhelm write this system with crazy, and then those that 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:54.240 would likely be to tap in will tap out because 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:56.000 they just don't have the bandwidth for it. 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:57.600 Yeah, you know. 0:08:57.840 --> 0:08:59.840 And so I think that it's I think that it's 0:08:59.840 --> 0:09:03.559 in important one for people to recognize that that's a strategy, 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:08.440 the overwhelm, the ignorance that it isn't it isn't just 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:10.880 by accident, brilliant? 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:13.400 What do you do you do you think that that's like, 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:15.679 do you do you find that? Like your show has 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:19.480 sort of the same kind of like like ethoughts, like 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:21.559 you're like the point you're trying to make is that 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:25.360 like you're smarter than you think you are? Is that? 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:27.520 Is that kind of I listened to a lot of 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:29.640 your shows, and it's like, first of all, you're brilliant, 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:31.200 Like let me just say that number one. 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:32.679 Thank you brilliant. 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:35.360 You know what I mean? And and I love the 0:09:35.480 --> 0:09:40.640 like you know part of me with listeners can take 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:42.920 this how every they want. But like the sound of 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:45.680 black women being fully black women is like a warm 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:48.480 blanket for me. So to just hear you, just to 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:51.520 hear you speak naturally, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:55.880 sh Like I'm like that's yeah, I need that like 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:59.079 that Like I'm like, huh, I yes, anyway. 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:03.000 Go on, yeah, yeah, I think that for me. WOKF 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:06.120 started out The show started out of anger. It was 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:10.160 a response to Donald Trump becoming president of the United States. 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:14.720 So the show launched in twenty sixteen or twenty seventeen. Brother, 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:17.920 And what I will say is that for me, I 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:20.640 wanted people to recognize that they have more power than 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:26.920 they think, right, that this game that these white, old, 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:31.600 you know, rich straight men are playing, it is a 0:10:31.720 --> 0:10:35.600 game about power, and the way that they take power 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:38.040 from you is to make you believe you have none. 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:38.640 Right. 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:43.440 And so my show has always been about raising consciousness. 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:45.679 Like no, no, no, no, no. You see why your 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:48.080 school board looks the way it does, it's because you 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:50.080 didn't show up to the school board. Meaning, but you 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:53.000 know who always shows up, The seventy year old racist 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:55.400 white people that live in your neighborhood. They're the ones 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:57.160 that are always going to show up because they have 0:10:57.280 --> 0:10:59.640 time and they are making and they are making the 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:02.839 time to do it right. So the reason why certain 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:06.360 things look the way they do is because those people 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:10.839 they are they are committed to their racism, they are 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:14.000 committed to hatred, and they will do and stop it 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:17.079 nothing in order to make sure that the system remains 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:19.920 the way it is. So for me, it's about raising 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:23.080 people's consciousness and saying no, no, no, no, no, yes. The 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:27.280 place that we're in is incredibly overwhelming and incredibly dark 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:31.520 and incredibly frustrating, but that at the end of the day, 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:34.800 we have more numbers. We have the numbers. We have 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:37.960 the people, right, the people just need to wake to 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:39.280 wake the fuck up, wake up. 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:42.560 Yeah, I love that you called it well one because 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:45.120 like it's before the name. 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:48.680 Was stolen from a systry, correct as it was before 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:50.600 if it came like yeah. 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:52.839 Before they stole it and redefined it, which is another 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:54.760 thing that they do, which is another like move of 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:58.199 power to like take something that sounds familiar and redefine 0:11:58.200 --> 0:11:59.880 it and then give it back to us as if 0:11:59.880 --> 0:12:01.840 we don't know what we talk about, you know. So 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:04.440 I love that you like kept the name to be 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:06.760 like no, no, no, no, no, you don't you don't get it, 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:09.000 you don't. I'm not just gonna I'm not just gonna 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:13.640 let you have this Like nah, yeah, I think too. 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:17.040 Like what what what I picked up from a lot 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:22.439 of a few of your episodes is really and about 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:24.440 the example that you gave is the fact that like 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:28.040 as broken as the system is, like it it does work, 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:32.600 you know, which is which is why such an effort 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:34.760 to disenfranchise us, you know, even if you go back 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:40.160 to like reconstruction and like why we were disenfranchised from 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:43.600 voting is because when we did you know what I mean, 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:46.800 why are there why are there at least five black 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:52.559 neighborhoods under Lakes Because because it works, you know, and 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:56.560 so so to so to lock us out to convince 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:58.720 us that we don't know what we're talking about, is 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:02.560 because why you don't show up at the you know, 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:06.679 like you said, the school boards, or why to be like, Okay, 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:09.960 let's let's make sure. Let's make sure voting polls are 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:12.839 only between the hours of ten and four. You know 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:20.400 what I'm saying why everybody's it's because it works. You know. 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:22.920 I constantly say on the show every time that we're 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:26.800 coming up on an election, and all elections, is that 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:30.199 no one tries to steal anything that isn't worth something. 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:33.840 So if people are trying to steal your vote aka 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:37.000 voter suppression, it is because your vote is valuable. 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:37.720 Right. 0:13:37.760 --> 0:13:40.880 If people are trying to throw out your ballots, right, 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:44.920 it is because your voice is valuable, right, because nobody 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:48.600 tries to steal something that is of no value to them. 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:52.479 Man, did you guys have did you guys have the 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:56.240 the fake ballot boxes around your way? No? 0:13:56.240 --> 0:14:00.959 No, I live in I live in New York. I'm 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:02.439 like I live in Brooklyn. 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:06.360 Yeah, that's that's that's not gonna happen. So we saw 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:09.360 him around Kelly, like I'm in LA, like East La, 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:11.679 and we saw him. Obviously it was targeted because this 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:13.480 is like a black and brown neighborhood, so you would 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:15.720 put you would put them over here. But for me, 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:20.800 it was so it was funny, like that is so 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:24.880 funny to me. How like it's like you have to 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:28.560 look at you looking at somebody like, yo, that's your 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:31.320 man's like get your man's like word like this is 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:33.400 really is this your king? 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:36.680 This is what y'all doing, y'all put Yeah, Yeah, it. 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:42.120 Was funny to me that, Like, how man, it's just 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:46.480 like like I know, I know clearly like consistency doesn't 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:50.640 matter to these people or how corny you look. But 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:53.760 I'm like that is corny, Like there's there is something 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:56.360 about I feel like us people of color in general, 0:14:56.440 --> 0:15:00.160 like we have a there's a code that we live by, 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:02.280 and like part of that code is like what I'm 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:06.640 not gonna be is corny. Right, that's corny, you. 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:09.680 Know, right because you because you don't have the ability 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:13.000 to actually like basically what you're saying is you ain't 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:16.480 shit and you actually have to you have to go 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:21.840 to these incredible lengths in order to cheat, because if 0:15:21.880 --> 0:15:26.160 it was just based on merit alone, yeah, you you 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:30.120 you were not right, like so and I and I 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:32.800 feel like if we were to if we and I 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:35.160 and I say, like, if folks were to talk about 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:38.560 the Republican Party in that way and being like they 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:44.400 are just objectively corny as fuck, it's just like they 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:47.960 just they don't they don't have the swag, they don't 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:50.400 have the ability, they don't have the intellect, they don't 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:54.000 have the charisma. What they do have an abundance of 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:57.120 is hate and the ability to cheat and cheat and 0:15:57.160 --> 0:16:00.240 do so unchecked right in a lot of ways because 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:03.560 their whiteness protects them. And so I like to me, 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:05.840 I think, you know, and I want to talk to 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:09.560 you about about twenty twenty four and the black vote 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:12.240 and what is what you know I'm hearing and I 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:14.440 want to hear like what you're hearing from the people 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:19.680 that listen to you. But black people particularly and I'll 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:25.160 say older black people and younger black people are really 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:30.040 frustrated with Joe Biden for a myriad of reasons. And 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:33.200 one of them right, like there was just recently an 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:37.000 article in the New York Times and an advertisement that 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:40.720 was put out by like a thousand black pastors and 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:44.080 churches that are calling for a cease fire, that are saying, 0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:46.640 how can you talk about the soul of this nation 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:49.520 and fighting for democracy? And this is what our money 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:54.200 is going to fund? On top of that? Just you know, 0:16:56.160 --> 0:16:59.440 are you you like, are you once again using us 0:16:59.800 --> 0:17:03.400 right in a way that we've been used before. We 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:05.560 know what the stakes are, right, you don't have to 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:08.399 tell us about what happens if Donald Trump becomes president again. 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:11.119 Black people live this right like we are. We are 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:14.600 very aware and so you know, my my, my question 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:17.920 for you is what are you hearing? Because I hear 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:21.960 a mix of I'm gonna vote my values, I'm not, 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:25.040 I'm you know, I I you know, and they're saying 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:27.760 this now and it's it's you know, we're in February, right, 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:32.080 We're still nine months away. It's still very early. But 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:34.399 but what are you hearing from folks that are that 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:35.640 are that are listened to you? 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:40.240 Yeah, I'm hearing, like you said, I'm hearing a lot 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:42.439 like it's kind of all over the board. And what 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:50.200 I've noticed is at least among black people, your socioeconomic 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:54.639 status has actually played a bigger deciding factor that I found. 0:17:54.840 --> 0:18:00.919 Like generally I have found Black people as community when 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:05.040 it comes to our votes in our politics is it's 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:08.159 very transactional in the sense that like I don't have 0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:11.280 to like any of y'all what you're gonna do for us, 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:14.639 you know, and and if you could show and prove, 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:18.000 like if I can honestly say, like my life is better, 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:19.919 my children are better, We're not being locked up, like 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:21.679 we're not being hunted, you know what I'm saying, Like 0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:24.560 you doing something about you know, police brutality, doing stuff 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:26.199 about the money doing some of our community. And it's like, 0:18:26.200 --> 0:18:28.040 word whatever, you know what I'm saying. At least and 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:31.880 you don't sound ye at least you're not talking racists, 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:34.120 you know what I'm saying. Right, So like at least 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:36.120 you're not saying it, you know what I mean? So 0:18:36.200 --> 0:18:39.439 like stuff be super transactional that I found at the 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:43.359 same time, Like, so with that said, like we're not 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:50.040 I found we're not very like we're centrist, Like we're 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:52.760 not very progressive. Where it's just like I don't know, 0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:54.880 I don't talk all that all that because my dad 0:18:54.920 --> 0:18:57.000 was a black panther. So like for me, a lot 0:18:57.000 --> 0:18:59.120 of times when I start talking like the hommies, it's like, oh, 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:01.879 here we go. You know, he on that revolutionary you 0:19:01.920 --> 0:19:04.159 know what I'm saying. So like there's like that you 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:06.840 feel me. And then at the other side, if they 0:19:06.880 --> 0:19:10.639 are gonna be obviously it's like it's mask off with 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:13.800 the Republicans. So they're like, well, it's mask off with y'all. 0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:15.560 So like that's like kind of a non starter. But 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:20.280 what I found is when you feel like we're not 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:24.879 getting back, like we've we've given the Democratic Party so 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:30.160 much and we haven't we haven't received you know what 0:19:31.240 --> 0:19:33.560 you said you was gonna give us. At this point, 0:19:33.760 --> 0:19:36.320 it's like, well, I mean, at least I know at 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:38.320 least I know what it is with the Republicans, at 0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:40.720 least I know what it is. And then your default 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:42.679 is to become selfish and be like, well, I'm just 0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:45.159 gonna give mine, like I'm just gonna if I can't. 0:19:45.520 --> 0:19:47.440 If you not like I thought it was about us. 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:49.080 I thought it was I thought it was squad. It's 0:19:49.080 --> 0:19:50.959 not about us, okay, word, and I'm just gonna give 0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:53.160 mine At least I know what it is you want. 0:19:53.200 --> 0:19:55.639 You want, you just want money? Okay, word me too, 0:19:56.200 --> 0:20:00.280 I'm saying. Right, So so I found that a lot 0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:02.920 of times, like it's like, well, since clearly I don't 0:20:02.920 --> 0:20:07.320 trust none of y'all's morals anyway, then I'm like, Okay, 0:20:07.480 --> 0:20:10.440 who's gonna get me to the bag? Faster? Has been 0:20:10.480 --> 0:20:16.480 what I have found now to your point, as far 0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:21.040 as age demographic, I feel like Gaza is gonna Gaza 0:20:21.040 --> 0:20:25.119 could cost Joe the election. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know 0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:28.199 what I'm saying, Like even with the stuff that, like 0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:30.320 cause again it was like you was, you was talking 0:20:30.400 --> 0:20:36.120 talking when we started, you know, and yeah, like I 0:20:36.160 --> 0:20:38.280 was like, at least you like you could say, well, 0:20:38.280 --> 0:20:40.600 at least he's not Fela, like b I'm somebody to 0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:43.720 the stone age, you know what I mean. And it's like, well, bro, 0:20:43.880 --> 0:20:49.359 now you're doing that, like right, bruh like own fam 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:52.000 you know. So so yeah, both of us in our 0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:59.399 you know, uh coastal enclaves obviously like our lenses are yeah, 0:20:59.640 --> 0:21:03.520 are are pretty distorted. So like my best to get 0:21:03.520 --> 0:21:05.840 out of that. But like what I have found, especially 0:21:05.880 --> 0:21:07.919 what's crazy is what I have found is like Trump 0:21:08.000 --> 0:21:12.160 resonates with like hood dudes like Street, which. 0:21:12.000 --> 0:21:16.800 I just I don't get it. I just don't get it. 0:21:16.960 --> 0:21:19.520 I don't agree, I don't agree, but I get it. 0:21:19.560 --> 0:21:21.360 What is the what is it? 0:21:21.880 --> 0:21:25.560 Because because they recognize that he's a boss, like this 0:21:25.640 --> 0:21:28.720 is a gangster. They're like, you're just I understand this, 0:21:28.800 --> 0:21:29.560 You're just a gangster. 0:21:29.680 --> 0:21:33.680 It's like I'm never wrong, but there's no code, there's 0:21:33.720 --> 0:21:37.359 no He throws his own fucking clique under the bus. 0:21:37.440 --> 0:21:39.600 Do you know what I'm saying? Like there's no honor there. 0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:42.320 I know, but it's like you nigga should have fell 0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:46.239 in line. Wow, I'm saying that, Like I get it, 0:21:46.280 --> 0:21:48.840 Like you supposed to fall in line, Like I told 0:21:48.880 --> 0:21:51.040 you what we was doing, this was this, This was 0:21:51.040 --> 0:21:53.360 the system. This what we're doing. You fall in line, 0:21:53.400 --> 0:21:56.440 you stay loyal, were good, you know. But I agree too, 0:21:56.560 --> 0:21:58.919 cause I'm just like I agree too, Like man, but 0:21:59.119 --> 0:22:01.159 like but when it comes, you're gonna let all your 0:22:01.200 --> 0:22:04.159 boys go to prison for you, Like I don't. I 0:22:04.160 --> 0:22:07.040 don't understand that. But they're like, bro, it's like mob stuff, 0:22:07.080 --> 0:22:09.840 that's my stuff. Like you supposed to be able to, 0:22:09.880 --> 0:22:12.200 you supposed to like if we all if we all own, 0:22:12.680 --> 0:22:14.520 you're supposed to take your team, you're supposed to take 0:22:14.520 --> 0:22:16.880 your five ten five ten years. I'm gonna put money 0:22:16.920 --> 0:22:19.000 on your books and make sure you're family good. I'm 0:22:19.000 --> 0:22:22.480 gonna put that on what he is doing. That's what 0:22:22.480 --> 0:22:23.080 you like. 0:22:23.320 --> 0:22:26.199 So I'm saying like if you are, because I and 0:22:26.240 --> 0:22:29.560 I cannot pretend to know the ins and outs of 0:22:29.640 --> 0:22:33.760 anybody's of gang life, of street life, of anything, but 0:22:33.880 --> 0:22:37.439