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Speaker 1: I'm Jay Valentine and this is R and B Money,

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Speaker 1: The arm by Money Podcast is the authority kind nobody

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Speaker 1: it's the Kinneth baby Face Edmonds in the building. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I like who y'all talking about. You know who we're

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Speaker 1: talking about. You're walking here with that kind of sweater,

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Speaker 1: we didn't play any of those songs. Uh, so we're like,

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00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 1: we knew we had to start changing the game because

428
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 1: we thought we was on killing with earth Fire. We

429
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: played Devotion earth Wing Fire wasn't black enough yet, so

430
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:41,439
Speaker 1: killing with Devotion it wasn't. They wasn't inis different. That's crazy.

431
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 1: You have to be like you have to be funk

432
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 1: yeah different. Yeah, I mean you know that because you've

433
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 1: been through there. But I'm just saying it's black. It's

434
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: black not yet, not yet. They hadn't until Reasons came

435
00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 1: from birth. Fire didn't really kick in, you know, till

436
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 1: Reasons happen. But other than that, it was like but

437
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 1: not like it wasn't enough. Wasn't enough for us that night,

438
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 1: and uh but we failed. We learned from it. And

439
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:15,199
Speaker 1: then um, when you said Darryl Simmons, yeah, because that's

440
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: what I'm absolutely know who that is. You just said

441
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 1: the first name, so something like, wait, you're in a

442
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: high school band. Yeah yeah, okay, okay, so me and

443
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 1: Darryl Simpson and then um, in Turning Silver, we got

444
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: this opportunity to go to this club called the in Crowd,

445
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: and we opened up for this group called man Child

446
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 1: and Man Child was like the funkiest group ever and

447
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: they were they look like giants and they and they

448
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: were also um very talented where they played Return to

449
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: Forever and they and they could play they could play jazz,

450
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: they could play funk, they could play everything. They could

451
00:27:55,840 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: play Teddy Pendergras. It was like, let me, what's the maybe, No,

452
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 1: that was oh, Jess, I think so it was like

453
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 1: und nothing. Yeah, So they was they was killing and

454
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: and so once again we went in there thinking that

455
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: we was gonna like kill it because we learned a

456
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: couple more earth win Fire songs um and they were

457
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: very kind to us. That audience was very kind to us.

458
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: And like I said, okay, we thought we won until

459
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 1: Man Shot came out. There was smoke and they came

460
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: out uh doing uh Checkerkan song I'm a I'm a woman,

461
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: but they call I'm a man Shot. Yeah, they was

462
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: already doing the remixed ye with the name and yeah,

463
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,479
Speaker 1: I'm a man Shot and I'm a motherfucker. That's what

464
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: they were and that's what that's what followed up they

465
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: came after us and just killed us, and exactly that

466
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: is what it felt like. And but it was a

467
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: learning experience, and it was like, Okay, I gotta I

468
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: gotta start learning some other stuff. I gotta, you know,

469
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: because I, you know, I would play my coustal guitar

470
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,959
Speaker 1: and played pretty songs and and that's kind of like

471
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: that was my whole thing. And then from watching that,

472
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: I said, I need to learn how to, you know,

473
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: play some funk. I need to learn how to do

474
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: do those other things. And because I loved it when

475
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: I heard it, but I just had never heard it

476
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: in that way. And so, um, when I finished high school,

477
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: just before I graduated, I got a call to join

478
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: Manschoud really so that funk group that I that blew

479
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: me away. I actually joined that band right out of

480
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: high school. And that was my learning ground for so

481
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: many things, um, in terms of musically, um, being able

482
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: to learn to so many different genres. So I would

483
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: preparing me for today and for the rest of you know,

484
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: the rest of my life in music, all those things.

485
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: And then out of Man Child Man shot and lasted

486
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: for a while. Then I ended up leaving Manshot and

487
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 1: I joined this group called the Crowd Pleaser just and

488
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: the Crowd Pleas was strictly a Top forty band playing

489
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: out of Michigan most of the time, and we played

490
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: all these places in Michigan just playing Top forty, which

491
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: was like the best. That was the best education I

492
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: could get because when every when you're playing these Top

493
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: forty songs nightly, you're learning how songs are supposed to feel,

494
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: and you're you're learning watching the crowd what they react

495
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: to and when you hit hit the right kind of hook,

496
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: the versus everything that she is helping your songwriting and

497
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: songwriting completely. I'm able to learned so much more from

498
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: that thing how songs actually work, you know, you know

499
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: where you're actually applying them in front of people to

500
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: see it. So that was like the best learning ground

501
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: and from there that was right after that is when

502
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: I ultimately joined the deal because I had written this

503
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: song uh slow Jam and slow Jam Um Midnight Start.

504
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: I kind of had met Midnight Ster before Midnight Star

505
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: wanted to record the song slow Jam. So when I

506
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: went down to kind of help them demo the song,

507
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: that's when I ran into l a read for the

508
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: second time, and uh l a um we met at

509
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: that point, and that's when they decided that, you know,

510
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: I should maybe kind of help out with the help

511
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: out make some demos for the deal. Play another slow

512
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: jam is your first placement? Yes, wow, oh man, that's

513
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: lost Champagne West this time, make it sweet, that's out

514
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: of control. That's amazing that you kick all this off

515
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:44,479
Speaker 1: with a smash. How does that work for you like

516
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: at that time, because obviously, like you said earlier, you

517
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: didn't understand the business share. You weren't fully doing it

518
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: for that yet when you write a record like that,

519
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 1: when you write a record like that, you don't you

520
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: still don't the weather. It's a smash and it wasn't

521
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: necessarily single and it was it was something that was

522
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: that midnight start did and and mind you so at

523
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: this point twenty something, and I've been in been in

524
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: it for a while at this point, you know, was

525
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: in another group. Man. We had a regional record out

526
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: and it did okay, especially for you with the with

527
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: the song and so where we thought we were gonna

528
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: make it and it was gonna happen, but it didn't.

529
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: So you have all these points where you think it's

530
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: gonna happen in the bam and and and it's a road.

531
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: It's a rocky road the whole way. It's never just

532
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: straight up. Um. So when when they ultimately did the song,

533
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: you didn't know what's gonna happen with it. And I

534
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: was just a writer, one of the writers on the

535
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: song goes by the time my hand didn't, then the

536
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: other people wrote on it. You know how that story goes,

537
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: and so um the only thing I can remember about

538
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: Slow Jam is hearing from Solo Records that, um, I

539
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: was gonna get a check it and they called me

540
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: and told me that I was going to like get

541
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: a check for five grands. I said, what you actually

542
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: get paid for this stuff, you know? And I was

543
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: like so excited. And I went out and got me

544
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: a Shield of Toast card and got me an American

545
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: Express card, and you just start ordering credit card. I

546
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: got some credit cards. I've never heard what do you

547
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: do with your first check? I got ten credit cards

548
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: with the check I got. I got the credit cards.

549
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: But the problem is I spent on the credit cards

550
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: before that check ever came, because they said that check

551
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: was coming, and they check that check didn't come for

552
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,239
Speaker 1: about eight months. Take a minute, mom, They told me

553
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: it was coming in and took eight months before I

554
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: got it. Should have got to me sooner than but

555
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: I was. But it sound of Los Angeles Records. I

556
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: was already you know, so my creator was already messed

557
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: up at the early age um, you know. And but

558
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: I saw that there was there was that you could make,

559
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: you know, some money, and that was a great check

560
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: at first, you know, thinking that was amazing, and and

561
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 1: all those things that happened before you know, it's it's

562
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: a long journey that that gets you there, and all

563
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,280
Speaker 1: the other songwriting and all the playing in the bands

564
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: and all that stuff is what helps make the difference.

565
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: It makes a difference in terms of even to this

566
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: day for when I do a show, you know, everything

567
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: I can pull on to pull from all those things

568
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: to you know, figure out from in front of a

569
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: crowd that's kind of funny. Then I know how to

570
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: work it to when a mover call that audible, you

571
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 1: gotta work you gotta call the audible. I've been in

572
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 1: front of a crowd where you know, there's some nice

573
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: looking young ladies in the front, and I was doing

574
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 1: what was supposed to be my hit record at the

575
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: time when I was on a hit, but I thought

576
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: it was gonna be hit. And they looked at each

577
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: other and said whack. And it was that tape at

578
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: the time can't audible on the Dad and I still

579
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: had a verse, two hooks and a bridge, and the

580
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: hook should kicked over the speaker. He should have kicked

581
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: over with his speaker. Four valley state of coming back

582
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: to redeem myself. I gotta come back to you. But

583
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: you know, a growing pain of learning how to figure

584
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: out how to make those audibles depending on what kind

585
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: of crowd you're I'm a church kid, so I'm coming

586
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: from you know, you know what all church and what

587
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I know what to do in that space,

588
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: but now thrust it into this R and B space

589
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 1: on a Dirty South show. Yeah I didn't win that one,

590
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:42,399
Speaker 1: he was, Yeah, I didn't win that. Yeah, you figured

591
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 1: out how to win it. Oh you damn right? Yeah,

592
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: two girls, I need your front row when I come

593
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: to somebody, mama alone, man, come on out. I wanted to.

594
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 1: I want to see you. I got audibles like a motherfucker.

595
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 1: So you right, mhm, slow jam And then is the

596
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:11,240
Speaker 1: next Bachelor of Records? Is that sweet? November and two

597
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: occasions and yeah shoot him Up movies like those came

598
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: a little bit later. But Sweet November was, um, it

599
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: ended up being part of the Deal second album. But

600
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: I actually had written that, Um, I've written that almost

601
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: right out of high school. Um, and before I even

602
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 1: got there. So that song was sitting around for a

603
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: while before I actually did that. And so that's after

604
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: a while before I got to the Deal, sitting around

605
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: on the cassette cassette and you know, I just remember

606
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: something I didn't I never recorded other than just you know,

607
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: just playing the piano and just kinda during that week

608
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: because I hadn't for some no, I think I did

609
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,240
Speaker 1: ultimately record that on my fortress because I got really

610
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 1: good on the Ford track. And that's kind of like

611
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: what also got me the job with the Deal, because

612
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: I figured out how to do really good backgrounds on

613
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: the four track by yourself and um from bouncing and everything.

614
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: And so Jeff Cooper from Midnight Start he asked me

615
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: to come and helped the Deal to the to the demos.

616
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 1: And I actually had talked to l A before I

617
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 1: got down there because there was a guy named Hollywood.

618
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: He was in the crowd pleases and Hollywood was good

619
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: keyboard player. And Hollywood was talking to l A on

620
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: the phone one day and uh um. I had met

621
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: l A at the Soda Club a couple of years ago,

622
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: maybe a year or so before that, And this was

623
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: before I was in the Cry of Pleasers. And when

624
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: I met them, they had already done the switch over

625
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 1: where they were already getting like turning like the time

626
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: and stuff. And so they had and prince. They had

627
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 1: like leggings and makeup and and they was like they

628
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: was all the way in and I was like, wow, Nick,

629
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: and they were a little freer than make it. But

630
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 1: but but it was like and this was in the zodiac,

631
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: and I was like, dang, they bowled, you know, but

632
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 1: they had all the girls was there and they was

633
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: like they was with them. So I was like, that's

634
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: pretty cool. And then I met l A then, And

635
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: when l A met me, I was probably a member's

636
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: only jacket. So you know, I had no vibe whatsoever

637
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: I was from Man. You know, I wasn't vibeing anymore.

638
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: So I met them and he said hey, and uh

639
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: but he had no not knowing me being in man shot.

640
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: At least he had saw me playing with man Shot,

641
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: so he knew I had some talent. But when I

642
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: saw them, I said, it's a great group. And then

643
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: when I was in Michigan much later with Hollywood, Hollywood

644
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: goes up. He's on the phone with him and he says,

645
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 1: listen to this because l A's playing in the music

646
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: and it was some song called in it up Um

647
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 1: and it was ko is Ko playing a lick Doom

648
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 1: Doom Do Doom Doom Doom dig. I still remember the

649
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 1: lick and I was like, oh my god when the

650
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 1: singing on the air, but the track was just like

651
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: just so hard and so like it was like the

652
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: Time and French mixed together. And I was like, oh shit,

653
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: I would I'd love to be a part of that

654
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 1: because I'm like in a group the crowd pleasers, and

655
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: they were cool, but they were all older guys. I

656
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: mean even at that time, they was sixty something years old,

657
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,760
Speaker 1: and I was, you know, so it wasn't ever gonna

658
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: be anything else but the top forty bands and me

659
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: and so I asked Hollywood said, asked them if they

660
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: need a guitar player, if they need to need somebody else,

661
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 1: you know, to play with them, and Hollywood said he

662
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: would ask. So I wasn't sure Hollywood asked, because I

663
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: never heard anything. Then I finally asked, Hollywood said, so

664
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: did you ever ask l A if I could join

665
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 1: the band? And he said yeah. I talked to him

666
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: about that and he said, you can't join the band.

667
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: And I said why. He said, because you're not breed enough.

668
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: And so being breed enough was you know, having the look,

669
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 1: having having the whole Prince looking the whole time. It

670
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: was breed because Prince had a song called the New Breed,

671
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 1: So um, it was. It was all about being breed enough.

672
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: But they didn't know I had already gonne breathe. I

673
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 1: breed it myself up while I was in the crowd

674
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: and I was totally breathed. I might have been more

675
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 1: breathed than them because I think I had a coat,

676
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 1: had I had a you know coat, and everything. The

677
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: hair was dripping, and you know it was it wasn't

678
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: Jerry curl because Jerry curls go back. Um, it was

679
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:50,720
Speaker 1: California curls. Thank you California. The differences with the Jerry

680
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: curl they dry up really quickly and your hair goes bad.

681
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: California girl, you don't have to put as much so

682
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: it doesn't look greasy. He was much smoother that That's

683
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: the whole idea about California Girl. Thank you. That is

684
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: the difference in a whole another thing, that whole other thing.

685
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 1: That's a whole another thing. The the California Girl did

686
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 1: not require as much liquids. So that's the bottom line.

687
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,720
Speaker 1: So it looked natural, looked like you was born there.

688
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: We was trying were It should be good for you

689
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 1: to know that we was all trying to look like you.

690
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:37,959
Speaker 1: I'm breathe, I put my rag on face. I'm gonna

691
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: get these j ways. I promise you that I'm gonna

692
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: get them. So did he? So he did he? Ever?

693
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: Did he really say that to him? Yeah? He said

694
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 1: so really did? It was true? I wasn't I wasn't

695
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 1: pretty enough. And I understood because the last time he

696
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: saw me, I was in the Member's only Jackie, So

697
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: it was fair. But wile Hollywood was saying that, but

698
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: I'm breathe now and uh, but he didn't know that.

699
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 1: And so when I went down to Cincinnati, I was

700
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: inside the booth singing slow jam, putting the demo down.

701
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: So l A come there because Midnight Star was producing

702
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: their their demos to try to get them a record there.

703
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: And so I was in the booths singing. Then l

704
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: A walked in and he goes, so, who is that

705
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: in the booth? He said, this Kenny Evos? Is that

706
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:30,720
Speaker 1: Kenny Evans? Really he sounds good? And then I walked

707
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: out and I was so brief. Well he's breathed now.

708
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 1: And so that's when Jeff Cooper asked if I would

709
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: stay because the four tracks I would do, And he said,

710
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 1: can you just come down and help put the demos together?

711
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: And Uh, that's where songs like just My Luck and um,

712
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: crazy about You. I had already written those songs before

713
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: you even gotten the group. Before I had even got

714
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: those songs were already written um um before at least

715
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 1: the tracks were no. Actually like crazy Bouts I was

716
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: written and then I got down there. Then D helped

717
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: me finish writing them, and that's how I played songs

718
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: on the deal. So initially I placed the songs. I

719
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,399
Speaker 1: wasn't in the group when they went to get their deal.

720
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: Um here in l A. I wasn't in the group.

721
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: I had gone back to Michigan. I was back in

722
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: the crowd pleasers and uh, then I got in a call.

723
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 1: I was there for about a month or so and

724
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: I got in a call from l A and then

725
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: I called to say, hey, just once you know that,

726
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: you know, we got a record deal. We end up

727
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: getting a record here. And I was like, good for y'all.

728
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: I'm so happy for you. That's amazing. Um and uh

729
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 1: and you know, at least I got a couple of

730
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 1: songs placed in there, you know. And I was kind

731
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: of like, you know, happy, and then he said, also

732
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 1: one other thing. Talked to the guys and they want

733
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: to know if you want to, we'd like you to

734
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: join the group. And it's it's saved my life at

735
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: that point, and that's why that's how I joined the deal.

736
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: Were you singing on the demos? The uh? No? I

737
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: I was not. Um. I might have the backgrounds, but

738
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: I wasn't there to be a singer. And I was

739
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: asked to join to be guitar and man help write songs,

740
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: but I was there to be a musician. Carol was

741
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,359
Speaker 1: the least singer not a singer. Uh. Um. The least

742
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: singer was was d and Carlos Carlocolos, d and Carlos,

743
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 1: and that's how it was supposed to be. And I

744
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: didn't sing to the second album, and that almost didn't

745
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: happen because we ultimately we're supposed to um. Our second

746
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: album was supposed to be produced by Reggie Callaway, but

747
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: some things went wrong with their management, and you know,

748
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: so our management and which was Pablo Davis at the time,

749
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,800
Speaker 1: he was managing Midnight Star and they had some problems

750
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: and we got caught up in the middle of it,

751
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: and so Reggie uh decided that he was not going

752
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: to produce our second album, and so we were like,

753
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: what are we gonna do? Then did Griffy called and

754
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 1: said you and l A should produce it, you know,

755
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: so we were like, I don't know, but we're kind

756
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: of scared because hadn't done it before, and this time

757
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: we were in like real studios, you know, going there

758
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: to do it. But I always written these songs, and

759
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 1: that's when I had Sweet November that I dimm well

760
00:45:55,760 --> 00:46:00,040
Speaker 1: and so I had actually done Sweet November by I

761
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: sent Sweet November in for the Whispers. I was hoping

762
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 1: that the Whispers would do that song, and Dick Griffy

763
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 1: heard the demo and he goes, why aren't the deal

764
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: doing this song? Why don't y'all do this song? And uh,

765
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: it goes because we don't have anybody that can sing it,

766
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: and he goes, well, who's singing this? He said, well,

767
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: Kenny singing And he said, well why why how come

768
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 1: he's not singing? He said, because he's not one of

769
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,479
Speaker 1: the singers in the band. He said, well, that doesn't

770
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: make sense, so why ain't he singing it? Because that's

771
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 1: that's not it. I'll have to talk to the guys

772
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 1: and see whether that's okay. So he said, we need

773
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 1: to talk to the guys. So, um, we were in Columbus, Ohio,

774
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 1: and he had a meeting with the guys about it

775
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: whether I should sing, and they voted me not to sing.

776
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: And mind you, I didn't have a problem with it

777
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: because I wasn't trying to sing. I didn't. That was

778
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: not my thing. I was. He was good with just

779
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: being playing guitar and writing songs. That was that was

780
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: fine me. Um, but Dick took a position, well, you know,

781
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: if he don't sing, then you don't have a record deal.

782
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: So um, so Dick forced it and forced it so

783
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: that I hope to me end up being having a

784
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: chance to sing on the album. Some people see the future.

785
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: Is that crazy? And he also pushed the fact for

786
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 1: me to be an artist in the first place. He's

787
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: the one that suggested that I do a solo album.

788
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: It wasn't me. I wouldn't. This was not something that

789
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: I was ever trying to go out to be, you know,

790
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: as a solo artist. It just kind of all happened

791
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: with the journey. It wasn't something that I was like,

792
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: one day, I want to be that guy. You know.

793
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: Everything was always for me, always about the song. If

794
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: I could place the song, if I had to sing it, whatever,

795
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: then that's fine. But I just wanted the songs to

796
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: come out. So did Robert Townsend right the duck character

797
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: after you? Then? Was it just about the music? Was up?

798
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: He's a crumpled up paper mess up music. Yeah, So

799
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: it was that was always my thing. And I might

800
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: maybe it was security blanket so I wouldn't have to

801
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:17,800
Speaker 1: be up in front of everybody and stuff, you know.

802
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 1: Wressure it was. It was easy, and so how I

803
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: justified doing the album myself? I said, well, this is

804
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,399
Speaker 1: just I'm a songwriter first. Any if it don't work,

805
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 1: so what I'm doing everything else, you know, so I

806
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: could always I feel like I didn't fail, you know. So,

807
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: so is that the introduction to you as a solo artist,

808
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 1: or within that same time frame you in l A

809
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: figuring out how to be partners into what becomes one

810
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 1: of the greatest labels ever. The beginning of that was

811
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: it was a little bit of that, but the whole

812
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 1: label idea, yeah. And I can't say whether l A

813
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 1: always had it, that dream of owning a label, of

814
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 1: being a Berry Gordy. I don't know that for sure,

815
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: but I know that what gave him the confidence was

816
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 1: that when we were doing this early stuff and placing

817
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 1: these songs on we start with start with the Whispers,

818
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 1: and then we went to Karen White, and then we

819
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 1: had he had Pebbles, and we had Um the Boys.

820
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:36,879
Speaker 1: So you guys aren't Lafacia. So all these things that

821
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: that's what gave us, gave us the confidence. And I

822
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 1: know what's that's what put the idea and LA said,

823
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: if we can do all this here, why can't we

824
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,879
Speaker 1: do this ourselves? You know, because we had had such

825
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: success with Bobby Brown and with Johnny gil and with Pebbles,

826
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:56,439
Speaker 1: and with um all these artists that beforehand that we're

827
00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: having success the MacMan, everything kind of happened before, but

828
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 1: no true ownership in it. No ownership, just just you

829
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: know as a as a producer or a songwriter, you know.

830
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: So it was it was that and I think for

831
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 1: l A not necessary being the song writer. He was like,

832
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:19,919
Speaker 1: let me figure this out, you know, we should have

833
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: more ownership. And and so l A was definitely an

834
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: entrepreneur in that way, trying to figure out how do

835
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 1: we make this so this is this is ours, you know,

836
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: And that hence came the moved to Atlanta, you know,

837
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: to try to search for that, try to make at

838
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:43,399
Speaker 1: We had looked at a couple of points. We looked

839
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: at Uh, we looked at New York, thought about New York,

840
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: We thought about Houston. UM, we were in l A

841
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 1: at the time. And the whole idea was that we

842
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 1: didn't want to be um little fish in a big

843
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: you know, in the sea. We wanted to be a

844
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: big fish in a little pond. And that's it. That's

845
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:05,839
Speaker 1: what Atlanta represented. And also UM, when we looked at

846
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: what the affordability that we get nice homes for far

847
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 1: less and too, um, you know to start down there

848
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 1: and try to figure it out down there. Um and

849
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: we just we just kind of went for it. So

850
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: just to touch on that backtrack just a little bit,

851
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: did you realize that you guys were the go to

852
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: guys for big records, life changing records before or just

853
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 1: like it was going on, is it's happening, like what record?

854
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: So here the landscape was this Jimmy jam and Terry

855
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 1: Lewis were in control, you know, cooking, you know. So

856
00:51:54,960 --> 00:52:00,080
Speaker 1: we when we first started producing, we were trying to

857
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 1: be Jimmy and Terry. We imagine we were Jimmy and Terry.

858
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: Remember the first time we got on a flight to

859
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 1: come out to l a um To for a producing thing,

860
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 1: it was for carry Lucas, which was Dick Griffy's wife.

861
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 1: It didn't matter that it was her, is the fact

862
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:15,760
Speaker 1: that we was on a plane going to go produce.

863
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 1: So we Jimmy and Terry now so yeah, so flying coach,

864
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 1: it didn't matter. It was like you know, we were rolling,

865
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: we jet set us um and it was the feeling

866
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: of producing and doing something other than just yourself with

867
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 1: doing someone else. So our whole that whole movement at

868
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 1: that point it was something that we didn't know that

869
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: we could really do. We were just kind of in it.

870
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 1: Everything was was um. There's a learning curve to everything

871
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 1: that you do, UM, and you get, you get, you

872
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: get better as it goes. Initially, when we came out

873
00:52:55,160 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 1: to l A, which was in five, you know, to

874
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 1: think about eighty five, wasn't until seven that anything started happening.

875
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: So it was a couple of years here trying to

876
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 1: play songs, trying to be stuff done, and nothing was happening. UM.

877
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 1: I remember sitting um at Warner Brothers, saying for an

878
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: hour waiting for Benny Medina so that he would just

879
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,720
Speaker 1: listen to one of the you know, some of my tracks,

880
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:22,839
Speaker 1: and and then the guy coming out, he's not gonna

881
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,399
Speaker 1: be able to see you today, after you waited, After

882
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 1: I waited an hour, and then I left and night

883
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:29,439
Speaker 1: that I came back another day. I think I did

884
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 1: that three times and finally he came to listen, and

885
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 1: he listened and he said, no, I don't hear anything,

886
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: and so walked away. So there was so many more

887
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 1: times of placing music that you you know that you

888
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 1: that people weren't weren't taken and some of those things

889
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 1: were things that ultimately got placed later. Um. They might

890
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: not have been all the way ready yet could have

891
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 1: been tracks that were almost there. Are songs that were

892
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 1: almost there but not all the way there. You you

893
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 1: tweak them when you get in the studio. Um. And

894
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: that's all stuff that you learned in the process. But UM,

895
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 1: that's why I never had an ego about somebody that

896
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: if they turned the song down, you know, then then

897
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 1: you'd be mad at him, like, all right, you ain't

898
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 1: gonna get none of my songs. It wasn't that because

899
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: I always felt like, well, probably they probably could have

900
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 1: been better. We probably could have you know, for some reason,

901
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: they didn't hit you because we didn't do something right

902
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 1: about it. So um. And you feel that when you're

903
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: sitting inside of the the room and you're listening to people.

904
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 1: When you watch people listen to something, you hear it

905
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 1: a lot differently than when you're listening to yourself. So um.

906
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:36,879
Speaker 1: And that's you gotta watch the body language. You gotta

907
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 1: watch everything. So that's how you produce. Many times as

908
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 1: you play for other people and see how they're reacting.

909
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 1: If they're not giving you the right reaction, Okay, that

910
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 1: even if they're saying yeah, I like that, Nah, your

911
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: body wasn't saying you like so I gotta way because

912
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: you can't control yourself when it's when it's that and

913
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 1: you hear it, you can't control yourself. So you're still

914
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:04,240
Speaker 1: going through this after writing ultimately and performing a smash

915
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 1: like two occasions, you're still happen to go through the

916
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: same process even with two occasions. Even even once you

917
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:13,399
Speaker 1: head it out, you still understand that it doesn't matter

918
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: how big you are, songs still have to make people,

919
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 1: have to move people because they can think that you're

920
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 1: just giving them a crap song. And that's the last

921
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 1: thing I would ever want to do is give somebody

922
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: something that they're not happy with. I don't want to

923
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:31,839
Speaker 1: do it. Then I'd rather not I'd rather not work.

924
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 1: And that's in that case, when you're giving away, giving

925
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 1: somebody something that they don't like, it's then that's not

926
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 1: a fun process. And sometimes you might give someone something

927
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 1: that they might not like, but well you should like

928
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,439
Speaker 1: this one. You know, this one, this one is actually good,

929
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 1: and especially if you know the people that are saying it.

930
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 1: And there's been a couple of times there were things

931
00:55:55,480 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: like that. Not a lot, but a couple of times. Yeah. Um,

932
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:04,799
Speaker 1: can I skipped the Tender Lover? Is that? Is? Am

933
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,919
Speaker 1: I moving too fast? If I skipped a Tender Lover,

934
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:14,280
Speaker 1: the Tender Lover album can for sure go straight to it. Um. Please,

935
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 1: I'm a church kid church and you know I'm in

936
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: high school and and the women folk are are taking

937
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 1: a liking to me. Um because I can sing. Yes, Um,

938
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if my outfits were really lining up. Um,

939
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 1: I wasn't breed. I wasn't breed. Probably worked out for

940
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 1: you that um. And as a church kid, girls would

941
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: say sing something, and I would sing church songs because

942
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: that's all I knew. Tender Lover album drops. Yeah, and

943
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 1: now this church kid has songs to sing. So what

944
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 1: do you sing? I'm singing Sunshine, I'm singing where would

945
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: You Go? I'm singing all of it. And at this

946
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 1: time now my mom has brought me this synthesizer, this

947
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:14,280
Speaker 1: p v D p M four, and so I'm trying

948
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: to emulate all of the tracks and the feeling. I

949
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 1: only have eight tracks, eight music tracks. I'm trying to

950
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 1: emulate the feeling of what I hear of the Tender

951
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 1: Lover album. That's my start in trying to figure out

952
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: how to produce and write good songs. So that was

953
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 1: like my formula. What do you feel about? What did

954
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 1: you feel about when the Tender Lover album dropped? Where

955
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: were you the Tender Lover album was? I did an

956
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 1: album before that, I thing. It was just called Lovers,

957
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 1: and it was all over the place, trying to figure

958
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 1: out who I could be as an artist because I

959
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 1: didn't because I didn't believe I was an artist. So

960
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 1: I did the song called I Love You Babe, and

961
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 1: then there was a song called if We Try, and

962
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 1: there was a bunch of things. That's even a song

963
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: called take Your Time that probably should have been for

964
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 1: like a new edition, a very young new edition. It

965
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 1: was everywhere and hadn't figured out who baby Face is,

966
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 1: who baby Face should be. And then on the Tender

967
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 1: Level album, somewhere I started to get the sense of,

968
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 1: okay it was, it was a thing of after two occasions,

969
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 1: it was starting to figure out, Okay, so this is

970
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: who they think baby faces um and so kind of cool,

971
00:58:56,000 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 1: suave and romantic and and so these are the kind

972
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 1: of things that I can do and and probably make

973
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 1: a becoming an artist in that way. But initially some

974
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: of those songs like Tender Lover. Initially when I wrote it,

975
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 1: Dick Griffy tried to give it to um, um Monel

976
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 1: Richie m hmm, and Linel Linel turns it down. Um,

977
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 1: but I wrote it for Linel Richie and I got

978
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 1: a lot of turned downs like that. So um, that's

979
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 1: a very fun fact. And um, so end up doing

980
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 1: it anyway, and then it's no crime. I was figuring

981
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 1: out how could I do How could I do a tempo,

982
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 1: you know? And so that was like I was trying

983
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 1: to figure out that thing because I couldn't do I

984
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 1: couldn't do any funk up temples, not with my voice.

985
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 1: I had to figure out something. And um, and Crime

986
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 1: was the one that you know that Okay, it was different,

987
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 1: you know, on a different program that drum track, on

988
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 1: the drum track that it would have been l A.

989
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 1: I would do. I would write every thing first, I'd

990
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 1: have the drum tracks down and stuff like could then

991
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:17,439
Speaker 1: l A would come down and come and then add

992
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 1: up the rest of the percussion stuff and make that happen.

993
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 1: And Jill Simmons was writing with you, Darryl Simmons what

994
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 1: he was writing, not on everything, but some things that

995
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 1: I would pull him in on. Um. Most in most cases,

996
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 1: I was like I was the songwriter. I started out

997
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 1: and then I would pull somebody in, you know. Um,

998
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a question that I needed help,

999
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 1: but just it's just you know, you wanna write this

1000
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 1: with me. Um. That's kind of how I get on

1001
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:52,440
Speaker 1: all the songs and Tank it's just like get finished here,

1002
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:58,919
Speaker 1: glad you guys, buddy, right, thank you for that. So

1003
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 1: but so for the most part, I would just kind

1004
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 1: of the songs will kind of be there, and then

1005
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 1: I kind of finish it out. And usually if it

1006
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 1: was co writing, it would be Darrel that would come

1007
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:12,919
Speaker 1: in help with whether it's a melody or a lyric

1008
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 1: called idea, and that would be there. On and l

1009
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 1: A was strictly really about the production music side, production

1010
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 1: and with the drums, and and I'll give it like

1011
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 1: credit in terms of for the whole the production side,

1012
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 1: because by the time him and John Gass finished mixing it,

1013
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 1: they take it to another level. So John Gass was

1014
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 1: a bad bad boy, and so that was as much

1015
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 1: as the sound, no question. Um. And so but I

1016
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 1: think that ultimately when when I think of Tender Lover

1017
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 1: and I think about that, that whole album, I mean

1018
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 1: certain songs that happened, you know, from whip Appeal to

1019
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 1: to Sunshine to where will You Go? Um to give

1020
01:01:57,160 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 1: it a chance. The album is perfection to me, they don't.

1021
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 1: That album is absolute a couple of things, and I

1022
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 1: have a question, I'd have to not me, we'd have

1023
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 1: to go through it. But um, but I mean my

1024
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 1: kind of girl. Um, Yeah, they were good. There are

1025
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 1: things that felt good. I was at it. I was

1026
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 1: at a space where I was it was I was

1027
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 1: trying to just make this whole feeling of love on

1028
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 1: a whole the whole whole album just feel like love,

1029
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 1: you know, from a happy experience to sad to wherever

1030
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 1: and um, and those songs were. It wasn't from personal

1031
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 1: experience or anything. It was just me just kind of

1032
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 1: get into that whole love zone, you know. And from

1033
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:55,919
Speaker 1: Whipper Phil, Whipperhill being really just the idea coming coach

1034
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 1: PEPs mentioned Whipperphil one day. I said, oh, that's a

1035
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 1: good title, and I went and wrote it. And because

1036
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 1: she said it, I gave her a percentage. Winding about

1037
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 1: that did they gotta start. I gotta start just throwing

1038
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 1: words out it at you more airport Feakase. Here's a question, right,

1039
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 1: just real quick, whipper Peel comes out. Um, I'm not

1040
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 1: sure how sexy you were before then, but when Whooper

1041
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 1: Pip comes out, you're extremely sexy. Okay, how do you

1042
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 1: handle that? Here's the thing? I missed that whole section? Um,

1043
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 1: what do you mean? See? See I was I was

1044
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 1: around people that were blowing up, like crazy Bobby Brown.

1045
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 1: This is on the same time period, So I'm watching

1046
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 1: Bobby Who where Bobby? We do this record of Bobby

1047
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:57,480
Speaker 1: and I watched Bobby who was you know what? What?

1048
01:03:57,600 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 1: May be interested in Bobby in the first place because

1049
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 1: he was crazy and I heard Bobby on the Uh.

1050
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 1: We had met with Little Silas and something you should

1051
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 1: do yes, no question, and we we said, he said

1052
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:12,440
Speaker 1: you can do uh, you can do the um Bobby

1053
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 1: Brown and uh. And then Cheryl Dickerson, she said, you

1054
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 1: should go meet Pebbles and you should meet um and

1055
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 1: looking through the boys and but check out Bobby too.

1056
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:24,600
Speaker 1: And we were unsure about Bobby because he had that

1057
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 1: song called girlfriend. Yeah did you right? Now? He started

1058
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 1: with a spot and so wasn't. I didn't love that song.

1059
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 1: But I remember riding the car and listening to the radio.

1060
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 1: Driving the car, listen to the radio, and then Bobby goes,

1061
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 1: he's he's on their live and he's he's doing girlfriend,

1062
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 1: and he goes for the note that he wouldn't go

1063
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:52,560
Speaker 1: and he didn't get it, and then he goes, I

1064
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 1: didn't want to saying that song anyway on the radio.

1065
01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 1: I said, whoa, I love it. I don't want to

1066
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:04,440
Speaker 1: say that song in the first place. And so it

1067
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 1: was amazing and I thought, yeah, we need to work

1068
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 1: with him because his energy. I felt that. I felt

1069
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 1: that energy and so and so from these songs from

1070
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 1: Don't Be Cruel to Every Little Step to Rock with

1071
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:22,520
Speaker 1: You and and um and roni um those songs. You know,

1072
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:26,600
Speaker 1: they found a home with him, and we watched him

1073
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:32,920
Speaker 1: go from here. Oh unbelievable. It was like his performing

1074
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:37,440
Speaker 1: hit him on stage. Nobody could touch him. Nobody to

1075
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 1: this day, I don't know that anybody still had that energy.

1076
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 1: They might be better dancers, that may be all those things.

1077
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:47,440
Speaker 1: But Bobby Brown in his prime, when he's honest, he

1078
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 1: was untouchable and so so to be around that and

1079
01:05:56,040 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 1: also to be around other stars that were clearly bigger.

1080
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:03,720
Speaker 1: I felt like I was okay. You know, I didn't

1081
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 1: feel like I didn't ever have that moment where I

1082
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 1: felt like that. There were moments where it started. I

1083
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:13,640
Speaker 1: do remember doing whip a Pill we did. I did

1084
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 1: a couple of dates with with Pebs because I did

1085
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 1: a do it with her, and then I do whipper

1086
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 1: Pill right after. And I have this actually on video

1087
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 1: uh at the time doing some butd fest And so

1088
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 1: sometime in nine doing whipper Pill with this crowd, and

1089
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 1: I looked at that like, damn, I messed up. I

1090
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 1: should have kept going or something, because it was it

1091
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:40,920
Speaker 1: was huge. It was like and and I had an

1092
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:45,640
Speaker 1: experience it before, except you know, the only time I've

1093
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 1: seen that like it was when when we were out

1094
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 1: with the barge and the bars was killing us nightly.

1095
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 1: You know, with Luther, we just died every night. You know,

1096
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 1: it was death. It was I mean, we only time

1097
01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 1: we at at that time was body talking that and

1098
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 1: that was good, but you know, we do body talk.

1099
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 1: And then as soon as we finished, then you know,

1100
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 1: next s up is the bars place be rumbling, and

1101
01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:13,760
Speaker 1: and then we just had to put our heads down

1102
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:18,400
Speaker 1: in warfack, you know, and and we had never experienced that.

1103
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 1: And the first time we experienced that was when UM,

1104
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 1: I know, we're running out of time, but I just

1105
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:28,920
Speaker 1: have to tell that the creation, this is what I

1106
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:32,920
Speaker 1: believe with the creation of baby Face, where it happened. Um,

1107
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:38,800
Speaker 1: we were doing we were on tour. Uh this time,

1108
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 1: I forget who we were with, but um, at this

1109
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 1: point we had two occasions out and we were doing

1110
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 1: body talk and we were we were doing the tour

1111
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 1: and everything was going okay. And then um, we played

1112
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:57,960
Speaker 1: Indianapolis and my wisdom teeth started acting up and I

1113
01:07:58,040 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 1: went to they were like really hurting, and so I

1114
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 1: went to the Dennis and then it says, oh, they

1115
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:07,760
Speaker 1: looked like impacted, so we're gonna have to take them out.

1116
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 1: So they took out two and they said we might

1117
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:13,200
Speaker 1: as well take them all take them out. So I

1118
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:16,320
Speaker 1: ended up getting four Wisdom to Youth taken out, and

1119
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 1: I was like, so the next night we had a show.

1120
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:22,679
Speaker 1: He showed two nights and they asked me to performer.

1121
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:26,479
Speaker 1: There's no way I can perform, So I didn't perform,

1122
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 1: and my brother Melvin took my place that night. Um,

1123
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 1: and they did a show. And then so the next

1124
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:34,680
Speaker 1: show that we had that I could do was in

1125
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:39,040
Speaker 1: New Orleans and at the what's the big building Superdome,

1126
01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:42,800
Speaker 1: super Dome. Everybody's there and so and it's a big

1127
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 1: show and I'm still messed up. I can't even when

1128
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:51,439
Speaker 1: I walk it hurts, you know. And so but we decided,

1129
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:54,080
Speaker 1: you know, we can't go to the Superdome and you

1130
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:56,400
Speaker 1: can't not you need to be up there to do

1131
01:08:56,520 --> 01:09:01,640
Speaker 1: two occasions. So everybody they did the whole show, and

1132
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:03,280
Speaker 1: then when they got to the end, before they did

1133
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 1: two occasions, they said, look, guys, you know, um my

1134
01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 1: brother baby Face, he's been sick and he's not feeling

1135
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:12,439
Speaker 1: well at all, but he didn't want to disappoint you guys.

1136
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 1: So he's gonna come out here and try its best

1137
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:18,720
Speaker 1: to perform for you anyway. And they give me, give

1138
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 1: me a little bit of love. And I started. I

1139
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 1: put on this white suit and I walk across the

1140
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 1: stage and I'm actually in pain at this point, walking

1141
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:31,800
Speaker 1: across the slates ship was hurting bad. I'm like barely

1142
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 1: open my mouth. So I go and I sit at

1143
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:41,479
Speaker 1: the piano and I go Boom doom, doom, doom, the

1144
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:45,760
Speaker 1: place goes crazy. I'm feeling like Elder Barge for the

1145
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:53,720
Speaker 1: first time. It's like, I'm like, what the and so?

1146
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:57,920
Speaker 1: And then because every time I close the eyes, I

1147
01:09:58,120 --> 01:10:05,360
Speaker 1: think they go and the bed, everybody in the bed

1148
01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:10,720
Speaker 1: is that point. They were like what and we do

1149
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 1: the song the place loses it and um, so the

1150
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:18,400
Speaker 1: rest of the tour I was sick. Um that was

1151
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:20,560
Speaker 1: the I wasn't but I was sick the rest of

1152
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:25,840
Speaker 1: the and then everybody's like, now he needs to do

1153
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 1: the whole show? Was it now? I got it was

1154
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 1: a moment and it kept on being a moment, and

1155
01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:37,920
Speaker 1: but it was. It was what finally, Um, it's it's

1156
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 1: shed a light put a light on baby Face in

1157
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 1: a different way. Um that made it look like, okay,

1158
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:48,519
Speaker 1: there's a career here. People actually people actually like you,

1159
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:51,720
Speaker 1: you know, and they like what you do and they

1160
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:55,519
Speaker 1: like what you bring to the table. So it became, um,

1161
01:10:57,280 --> 01:10:59,479
Speaker 1: it became a moment that helped me figure out how

1162
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 1: to do to the lover, help me figure out how

1163
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:08,479
Speaker 1: to um craft that for the artist baby Face, that

1164
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 1: the person that didn't really want to be an artist,

1165
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:13,920
Speaker 1: but a little by little was figuring out how to

1166
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:17,840
Speaker 1: be because of the kind of songs that I could

1167
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:19,560
Speaker 1: do and songs that came natural for me to do.

1168
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:22,600
Speaker 1: The biggest thing is being an artist. You got you

1169
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:26,559
Speaker 1: want to do something that feels organic, and when you're

1170
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:30,040
Speaker 1: doing something that's not, they figure it out and it's

1171
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:32,519
Speaker 1: not gonna last long. So if you can do something

1172
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:34,800
Speaker 1: that's really close to you and it comes from you

1173
01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 1: then and they love it, then you have a chance

1174
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 1: of having a career and people will follow you. But

1175
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:45,000
Speaker 1: the moment they why would you feel fake, then that's

1176
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:48,840
Speaker 1: the moment they'll they'll probably dismiss you. Well, thank you

1177
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:53,240
Speaker 1: for being an artist, man, Thank you for being an artist.

1178
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:57,400
Speaker 1: Thank that Dennis for putting out your wisdom to stars

1179
01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 1: born moments. Star is born like this is because if

1180
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:05,760
Speaker 1: that doesn't happen, like you said, you may never walk

1181
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:09,720
Speaker 1: into that and then I have a confidence to do it. Yeah,

1182
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:12,960
Speaker 1: you never know. I just love the fact that you

1183
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:17,680
Speaker 1: also spoke about the journey and about not being an

1184
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:20,439
Speaker 1: overnight success because a lot of the new artists don't

1185
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:26,280
Speaker 1: understand what it takes to where you are. Songwriters, producers,

1186
01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:29,479
Speaker 1: artists like you've lived at all, executives I'm sure you

1187
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:31,320
Speaker 1: know what I mean. You have you have your bumps

1188
01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:34,720
Speaker 1: in the rotors and all of those things. It's, um,

1189
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:39,560
Speaker 1: it does happen fast for some and and and it

1190
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:42,720
Speaker 1: is sometimes that's a blessing, but most of the time

1191
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 1: not because they don't they don't realize that this isn't forever.

1192
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:53,760
Speaker 1: You know, um, it can come and it can go.

1193
01:12:54,920 --> 01:13:01,000
Speaker 1: And UM, my blessing has been is that I didn't

1194
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:03,720
Speaker 1: have depend depend on just myself as an artist, but

1195
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:07,120
Speaker 1: my artistry is through um writing music for other people

1196
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:10,360
Speaker 1: where they could have my artists lived, my my art

1197
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:15,040
Speaker 1: lived through them. So when people are singing, when I

1198
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:17,880
Speaker 1: hear can we talking? Thank you for that? By the way,

1199
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:27,400
Speaker 1: that was that was amazing and and um it you

1200
01:13:27,479 --> 01:13:30,519
Speaker 1: know it's shined the light on songs that can you

1201
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:33,400
Speaker 1: know that I had no idea that it had touched

1202
01:13:33,479 --> 01:13:39,840
Speaker 1: people that way, you know, And that was that was

1203
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:42,759
Speaker 1: the best gift you could ever give me, was showing

1204
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:46,320
Speaker 1: showing me that people loved something that I did like

1205
01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:49,160
Speaker 1: that that much. I had no idea. And so when

1206
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:52,160
Speaker 1: you when you're sitting and watching you know, schools, and

1207
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:55,759
Speaker 1: everybody's singing that sing that lyric and and and that melody.

1208
01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:58,280
Speaker 1: You know, when I wrote that, I didn't think of

1209
01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:03,479
Speaker 1: it as being that incredible. I thought it was good,

1210
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:05,240
Speaker 1: this is this is nice, just feels good. But not

1211
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:10,559
Speaker 1: I don't think you know when you write one of those.

1212
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:14,800
Speaker 1: I don't either. Yeah, I agree, I haven't written, but

1213
01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:23,200
Speaker 1: I've written, but that for sure, and a bunch of

1214
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:27,240
Speaker 1: others which we could really and literally talk about for

1215
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:32,960
Speaker 1: the next five days. Um have just lasted and will

1216
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:36,759
Speaker 1: last forever stand in real test of time, real music,

1217
01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:43,080
Speaker 1: real feeling, real lyrics, um, real vocals, real musicianship, like

1218
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:46,479
Speaker 1: the chords, like y'all y'all wouldn't you weren't staying safe?

1219
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:49,880
Speaker 1: Some real stuff happening that we would use in church too,

1220
01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:53,559
Speaker 1: We would Still, I didn't. I didn't know that. I mean,

1221
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:56,320
Speaker 1: I went to church, but I wasn't a church boy,

1222
01:14:56,680 --> 01:15:00,519
Speaker 1: so to say. And so you're proba like the first

1223
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:02,240
Speaker 1: guy that sits on this side of the room with me,

1224
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:05,280
Speaker 1: because everybody else can bring on here full church. Well tank,

1225
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:10,720
Speaker 1: and I'd be like, yeah, so what's your do to church? No,

1226
01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:14,800
Speaker 1: I'm right on your side. Watch it a little bit.

1227
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:19,000
Speaker 1: And I watched and listen to the choir, and then well,

1228
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:20,960
Speaker 1: then I go to the car and listen to you know,

1229
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:27,280
Speaker 1: listen to the radio. Well, but a go ahead. But

1230
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:32,320
Speaker 1: I think just in general, I always played the chords

1231
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:37,040
Speaker 1: I can figure out, and like, I'm not the kind

1232
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:40,160
Speaker 1: of uh keyboard player where I can sit down and

1233
01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:42,600
Speaker 1: just start playing. I have to remind myself and go

1234
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:46,720
Speaker 1: through it again. And because I'm it's pretty simple, I

1235
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:49,479
Speaker 1: can usually figure it out once I start playing. Then

1236
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:52,360
Speaker 1: the then the muscle memory comes back. But it's not

1237
01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 1: like I'm not really a keyboard player. I'm more of

1238
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:57,040
Speaker 1: a guitar player than a keyboard player. So everything that

1239
01:15:57,120 --> 01:15:59,320
Speaker 1: I that I figured out it was it was just

1240
01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:01,680
Speaker 1: kind of like I'm a keyboard player. No, I'm not.

1241
01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:05,240
Speaker 1: I just playing all of that stuff you produced. No,

1242
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:08,240
Speaker 1: it was no because because if I was a real

1243
01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:09,920
Speaker 1: keyboard player, I could sit down there and play it

1244
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 1: for you right now. I'd have to sit there and

1245
01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:15,320
Speaker 1: figure it out again and go again. Because I wrote,

1246
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:18,360
Speaker 1: I was I was a writer, so I was writing

1247
01:16:18,479 --> 01:16:22,240
Speaker 1: for that moment to do it. And and even even

1248
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:23,760
Speaker 1: at the time, I could learn it right there and

1249
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:26,280
Speaker 1: then I'd forget it exactly of what I would do.

1250
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:31,439
Speaker 1: But at the same time, what's interesting is that there

1251
01:16:31,479 --> 01:16:34,519
Speaker 1: are certain things like with roni Um, the way that

1252
01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:40,439
Speaker 1: is played. Real keyboard players could not I didn't have

1253
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:44,719
Speaker 1: the feel that that that was for this non keyboard

1254
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:48,240
Speaker 1: player because you would either do too much or not enough.

1255
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:57,400
Speaker 1: It's yeah, exactly, okay if you ever learned anything, because yeah,

1256
01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:02,200
Speaker 1: I'm learning. I'm still learning that because your your and

1257
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:04,840
Speaker 1: and we're gonna get these other things real, real fast.

1258
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 1: Your keyboard playing was about voicings. It wasn't about being

1259
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:14,000
Speaker 1: the best keyboard player in terms of putting ten fingers

1260
01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:17,120
Speaker 1: on the keyboard. It was about the voicings that you

1261
01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:21,360
Speaker 1: would choose, Like your voicings were a highlight for me

1262
01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:31,800
Speaker 1: before the music even started. Dude, do like what that's

1263
01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:34,599
Speaker 1: that's monstrous for you to say you're not already player.

1264
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:37,360
Speaker 1: I'm already yeah, and we're gonna play it in church

1265
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:44,960
Speaker 1: right before offre um. Your your history is fast, bro um,

1266
01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:51,320
Speaker 1: your success is I mean, it's it's endless. With all

1267
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:55,560
Speaker 1: of that, we have a couple of questions and we're

1268
01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:58,080
Speaker 1: not gonna take up too much of your time, Mr Face,

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Speaker 1: Mr baby face, but have questions for you. First question

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Speaker 1: being top five R and B artists male or female

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Speaker 1: anytime my top five top five it's very hard, um,

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Speaker 1: because I'm it's at different periods when I was growing up.

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing when you're when you're a songwriter, you

1274
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:44,680
Speaker 1: have people you choose people based off because they're songwriters,

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01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:47,360
Speaker 1: and some people just from the voices. If we're talking

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01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:51,160
Speaker 1: about voices alone. It's so hard because I know, because

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01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:54,920
Speaker 1: I know so much about music everywhere, So like, um,

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01:18:58,160 --> 01:19:00,759
Speaker 1: what things that blew me people that blew me away?

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01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:06,080
Speaker 1: James Brown blew me away because because he could actually

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Speaker 1: sing to and and um. And then of course Stevie wondered,

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01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:21,519
Speaker 1: that goes without saying Donny Hathaway. Um, Aretha Franklin, Uh,

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01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:29,040
Speaker 1: clearly the best, Clearly Aretha Franklin, clearly the best of

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01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:33,559
Speaker 1: all time. UM. I was able to be in room

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01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 1: with her and work with her and and see her

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01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:39,960
Speaker 1: genius and and hear her genius and to be there

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01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:45,080
Speaker 1: and um, even when she was you know, before she

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01:19:45,240 --> 01:19:47,080
Speaker 1: left us, you know it was I was. I had

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01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:49,120
Speaker 1: for farm with her, actually did a concert with her

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01:19:49,160 --> 01:19:52,800
Speaker 1: in Oakland. I I opened up for Aretha Franklin, and

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01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 1: I was like, WHOA, I never saw that coming in

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01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:58,080
Speaker 1: And I opened up for her and she knew me.

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01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:01,000
Speaker 1: She like, you know, face, come on back here, I

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01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:04,880
Speaker 1: want to talk to you. And I'm like, Rita Franklin

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01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:06,439
Speaker 1: has called me in her dress and men to talk

1295
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:08,400
Speaker 1: to her. Just and what you want to talk to me?

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01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:10,639
Speaker 1: She said, I saw you upon that face, I saw

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01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:12,360
Speaker 1: you doing whip a pill you had you had that

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01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:15,720
Speaker 1: crowd going all right, all right? And I'm like, she

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01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:18,560
Speaker 1: just said, all right, all right in my head, you know.

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01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:23,000
Speaker 1: And then she's and and and then she talks to

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01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:24,840
Speaker 1: me face coming, I'm gonna talk to you about something.

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01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:29,599
Speaker 1: I said, So what's up? She goes, So, I'm dating

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01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:34,040
Speaker 1: this guy. Come on, and I want to I'm gonna

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01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:35,600
Speaker 1: tell you the story about him because I want to

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01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:38,640
Speaker 1: know if you think he's serious or not. So she was.

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01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:40,320
Speaker 1: She was giving me this whole story what he does

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01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:42,200
Speaker 1: and everything he asked me. You know, so, what do

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01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:44,720
Speaker 1: you think is this? Is he? Is he for real?

1309
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:46,200
Speaker 1: And then I said, I don't think he's for real.

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01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:48,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you know. I'm gonna let you know.

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01:20:48,479 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 1: Then I talked to her another time. You know, he

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01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:56,040
Speaker 1: was right, he wasn't serious, but she was already whatever

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01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:59,040
Speaker 1: eight or you know, she was she was still living

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01:21:00,280 --> 01:21:02,160
Speaker 1: and at the point she had cancer at that point,

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01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:06,639
Speaker 1: but she was still living her life and and still

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01:21:06,920 --> 01:21:12,960
Speaker 1: singing and still um, just not giving up. She if

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01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:17,759
Speaker 1: anybody can inspire you, you know, in terms of people

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01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:21,680
Speaker 1: that don't give up and and keep going or read

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01:21:21,720 --> 01:21:24,000
Speaker 1: the Franklin. There's no better story than to read the Franklin.

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01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:27,840
Speaker 1: So when I say Franklin, RUTHA Franklin in the top five,

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01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:29,800
Speaker 1: I put her at number one because of how she

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01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:33,800
Speaker 1: lived her life and how she and she lived to sing,

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01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:37,360
Speaker 1: and that was it that it was all about. She

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01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:40,439
Speaker 1: was a queen because she was queen worthy, you know,

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01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:46,040
Speaker 1: um and uh and and everything that she did. So

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01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:50,519
Speaker 1: there was a point, if I'm if I'm being honest,

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01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:52,120
Speaker 1: there was a point where I had Whitney above her

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01:21:53,400 --> 01:21:55,760
Speaker 1: because when I when I was Whitney, and Whitney was

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01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:58,080
Speaker 1: because Whitney moved me so much. That's like Whitney, no

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01:21:58,240 --> 01:22:03,200
Speaker 1: question the best. But I M hmm, but I hadn't

1331
01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:06,280
Speaker 1: listened to the old stuff, the Writha did you know,

1332
01:22:06,640 --> 01:22:14,080
Speaker 1: the older songs and listening to the young Aritha untouchable nobody.

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01:22:14,240 --> 01:22:18,439
Speaker 1: So then Whitney rounds out the five then yeah, Whitney

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Speaker 1: G five. Okay, al right, okay, this was gonna be

1335
01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:28,000
Speaker 1: tough for you. Oh man, it's gonna be tough for

1336
01:22:28,120 --> 01:22:29,519
Speaker 1: him not to name it. I'm not to get in

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01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:34,799
Speaker 1: his own band. Your top five R and B songs, songs, songs,

1338
01:22:35,479 --> 01:22:41,559
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna forget your mind. Um, I don't want to, Okay, Um.

1339
01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:54,960
Speaker 1: I can only name them based off of how they

1340
01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:59,400
Speaker 1: hit me, and they're the top five at this moment

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01:23:01,240 --> 01:23:05,680
Speaker 1: you asked me tomorrow it might be you know. Um,

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01:23:10,040 --> 01:23:16,000
Speaker 1: When I first heard Luther Superstar mm hmm, and it

1343
01:23:16,120 --> 01:23:17,840
Speaker 1: wasn't just hearing it, but when I heard him do

1344
01:23:17,920 --> 01:23:26,120
Speaker 1: it on stage and how he um, how how he

1345
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:29,320
Speaker 1: did that, I thought that was the one for me

1346
01:23:31,120 --> 01:23:34,360
Speaker 1: until I heard Houses Not at Home mm hmm. And

1347
01:23:34,439 --> 01:23:37,680
Speaker 1: then I was confused about which one it was, and

1348
01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:41,200
Speaker 1: ultimately it was which Your House Is Not at Home

1349
01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:43,760
Speaker 1: is not necessarily an R and B song, but it

1350
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:49,960
Speaker 1: is by Tip Luther finished, um, and it was the

1351
01:23:50,120 --> 01:23:55,600
Speaker 1: set up doom Doom, Doom, doom doom. And when he

1352
01:23:55,720 --> 01:24:00,280
Speaker 1: do that live, they're losing, losing. It's a it's a

1353
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:09,360
Speaker 1: round and Carl, So for Luther, House is Not at

1354
01:24:09,400 --> 01:24:21,760
Speaker 1: Home um, elder barge time where reveel? I heard that

1355
01:24:22,240 --> 01:24:28,920
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati? Uh, I heard the same time I heard

1356
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:34,040
Speaker 1: Chaka Khan. Ain't nobody? Um? And then we were in

1357
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:35,800
Speaker 1: a in a club and I never went to clubs.

1358
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:39,519
Speaker 1: While was at the club and and ain't nobody almost

1359
01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:42,280
Speaker 1: got me on the dance floor. I almost did, but

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01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:45,320
Speaker 1: I never get on the dance floor. And so at

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01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:46,720
Speaker 1: the end of it, this girl grabs me. Come on,

1362
01:24:47,479 --> 01:24:50,040
Speaker 1: and so all of a sudden, I'm out there dancing.

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01:24:50,680 --> 01:24:54,000
Speaker 1: Ain't nobody, look like, why am I here? And then

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01:24:55,600 --> 01:25:00,200
Speaker 1: doo doo doo doo dude, and I was like old

1365
01:25:00,240 --> 01:25:08,200
Speaker 1: ship And the first first time I'm dancing, I'm slow down. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:11,040
Speaker 1: I didn't know what a hunt she was, but I

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01:25:11,200 --> 01:25:15,680
Speaker 1: was more like this. Um. But no, I didn't hunt,

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01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:19,639
Speaker 1: so I didn't know, you know, I needed I needed

1369
01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:25,719
Speaker 1: young Jerry Kurl back there. Um. But but that song,

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01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:30,759
Speaker 1: I was just the chords and and the voice and everything.

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01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:35,120
Speaker 1: I was just I was flabbergasted. And the whole time

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01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:39,880
Speaker 1: we were doing the tour with oh, I kept on

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01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:42,439
Speaker 1: trying to go up to him and tell him with

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01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:47,439
Speaker 1: that song, many how did you do that? And um,

1375
01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:51,519
Speaker 1: and I never got the chance to go up to

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01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:53,240
Speaker 1: him while he was onto because he would always I

1377
01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:55,880
Speaker 1: was like I was a hood and walking really fast

1378
01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:58,240
Speaker 1: making sure people like me couldn't come up and talk

1379
01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:03,840
Speaker 1: to him. But I was. I was just blown away

1380
01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:06,320
Speaker 1: by that. And that sounds to this day every time

1381
01:26:06,360 --> 01:26:09,439
Speaker 1: I hear it's still it still touches me that way. UM.

1382
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:13,840
Speaker 1: I can't really think of much more, to be honest,

1383
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:15,200
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna give you talk two because like I

1384
01:26:15,280 --> 01:26:18,519
Speaker 1: can there there aren't songs right at the moment that

1385
01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:22,400
Speaker 1: I think that just kind of like blew me away. UM,

1386
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:25,479
Speaker 1: like those at at the moment that unless we're going

1387
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:28,000
Speaker 1: back even back further to where we go back to

1388
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:36,560
Speaker 1: the um the Jackson five and one that hit me

1389
01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:39,760
Speaker 1: there isn't there isn't one of the popular songs, but um,

1390
01:26:40,479 --> 01:26:42,160
Speaker 1: but it meant something to me the end of the time,

1391
01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:46,439
Speaker 1: which was looking through the windows, Um, looking through the

1392
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:50,599
Speaker 1: windows Maybe tomorrow. I think it's called maybe tomorrow. Look

1393
01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:54,360
Speaker 1: it up and they're like, what's that one? Um? But

1394
01:26:55,479 --> 01:26:59,320
Speaker 1: it what hit me about that is how musical it was.

1395
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:03,640
Speaker 1: And and you know, there's always I'll be There and

1396
01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:07,920
Speaker 1: all the other ones, but for me. What what I

1397
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:10,559
Speaker 1: love so much about the Jackson five are the producers

1398
01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:14,200
Speaker 1: of them that they were. They were taking them everywhere musically,

1399
01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:18,760
Speaker 1: and and that gave me ideas that I could two

1400
01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:25,760
Speaker 1: songs are freedoms go beyond you know. Um there, Um,

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01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:30,120
Speaker 1: it's an easy one top R and B. It's R

1402
01:27:30,160 --> 01:27:32,200
Speaker 1: and B, but it's not R and B but it's

1403
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:34,840
Speaker 1: but it's and put it. We put it in so

1404
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:41,160
Speaker 1: food because it's the best wedding summer uh summer song,

1405
01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:49,880
Speaker 1: um barbecue song. Uh, it's just the best black celebrated

1406
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:53,840
Speaker 1: celebratory song ever. No, not celebration from cooling the game,

1407
01:27:54,160 --> 01:28:00,760
Speaker 1: but um, September, September. It's it's like a perfect song. Yeah,

1408
01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:04,320
Speaker 1: And I think I copied that song a million times.

1409
01:28:04,360 --> 01:28:06,160
Speaker 1: I must have written that song so many times back

1410
01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:08,640
Speaker 1: in the day where I copied it and wrote me,

1411
01:28:08,920 --> 01:28:11,680
Speaker 1: you know a few September songs, just trying to get

1412
01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:18,240
Speaker 1: that filled in. Um, where's that three four four? Good? Um?

1413
01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:33,640
Speaker 1: I think, Uh, trying to pick a funk song one

1414
01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:38,640
Speaker 1: of the funkiest songs that um not not with p

1415
01:28:38,800 --> 01:28:47,560
Speaker 1: funk with cameo ummed contumed. I can't even think of that.

1416
01:28:47,880 --> 01:28:52,240
Speaker 1: I only know the lick gumed. I guess I like

1417
01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:59,800
Speaker 1: what you do, dude. Mm hm mum mum m mmmmm

1418
01:29:00,120 --> 01:29:08,240
Speaker 1: m So I can't think you know, somebody will let

1419
01:29:08,320 --> 01:29:14,920
Speaker 1: us know. But I can't think of its title of

1420
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:17,360
Speaker 1: it right now either. Uh feels like it starts with

1421
01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:25,160
Speaker 1: the K. But but funkiness, you know, just when I

1422
01:29:25,240 --> 01:29:28,720
Speaker 1: saw Cameo, the first time I saw Cameo, and and

1423
01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:33,679
Speaker 1: for for a funk group, they were just the funkiest

1424
01:29:33,720 --> 01:29:38,479
Speaker 1: group ever. They used to they walked like they intimidated you.

1425
01:29:39,320 --> 01:29:43,360
Speaker 1: You know, they're very great. You know, they walk into

1426
01:29:43,439 --> 01:29:47,360
Speaker 1: the walk into the arena were like it was wearing

1427
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:55,120
Speaker 1: athletic cups over the pa and this was and but

1428
01:29:55,240 --> 01:29:57,560
Speaker 1: they carried it, you know, and so like and you

1429
01:29:57,600 --> 01:29:59,719
Speaker 1: didn't want to play a show with them because because

1430
01:29:59,760 --> 01:30:04,280
Speaker 1: they they kill you know. Um. And and that was

1431
01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:07,800
Speaker 1: so you know for me coming from that world and

1432
01:30:07,960 --> 01:30:11,479
Speaker 1: learning it, it was it's something that I respected. So

1433
01:30:11,880 --> 01:30:13,559
Speaker 1: asked me a getting tomorrow gonna be a different type

1434
01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:19,080
Speaker 1: of fair. Um, We're gonna build your R and B

1435
01:30:19,200 --> 01:30:23,120
Speaker 1: singer called it R and B Voltron. Where do you

1436
01:30:23,200 --> 01:30:27,560
Speaker 1: get the vocals, the performance style, the styling, and the

1437
01:30:27,680 --> 01:30:30,800
Speaker 1: heart the passion who do you get your vocals from?

1438
01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:35,519
Speaker 1: For this artist? I don't understand what you're saying. So

1439
01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:40,200
Speaker 1: out of all the vocalists you know, all the vocalists

1440
01:30:40,200 --> 01:30:43,840
Speaker 1: you've heard, whose vocal would you use to build the

1441
01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:52,200
Speaker 1: perfect R and B singer? Pick It'll be a combination. Face. Yeah,

1442
01:30:52,240 --> 01:30:53,680
Speaker 1: you can do whatever you want. We're not fighting you

1443
01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:56,479
Speaker 1: on nothing. Usually I'll be over here going crazy. People

1444
01:30:56,880 --> 01:31:09,320
Speaker 1: observe the rule. M Um, it's still not It's so

1445
01:31:09,560 --> 01:31:23,720
Speaker 1: easy somebody, um mm hmm. I don't know. That's a

1446
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:25,760
Speaker 1: very hard one to pick because there's a lot of

1447
01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:31,519
Speaker 1: people in terms of today, even with kids today. That

1448
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:34,240
Speaker 1: voice of voices that I love, some voices that I

1449
01:31:34,320 --> 01:31:37,880
Speaker 1: think are are great. That really blown smoke. But you

1450
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:41,720
Speaker 1: have a great voice, tank Uh. You have a smoothness

1451
01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:47,040
Speaker 1: um to your voice. I love the love the smoothness

1452
01:31:47,120 --> 01:31:53,639
Speaker 1: of it. Um. I think sometimes I think range is important,

1453
01:31:53,640 --> 01:31:57,040
Speaker 1: but then not always because it depends on how you

1454
01:31:57,160 --> 01:32:09,240
Speaker 1: use it. Um. I love um. I'm putting all these

1455
01:32:09,320 --> 01:32:13,040
Speaker 1: voices together. But I love Daniel Caesar's voice. Kyle, I

1456
01:32:13,160 --> 01:32:18,320
Speaker 1: love um. He's Kyle. You're different. Huh, He's different. Yeah,

1457
01:32:18,439 --> 01:32:23,600
Speaker 1: And and he's he's own. He's his own difference, you know. So,

1458
01:32:24,680 --> 01:32:28,240
Speaker 1: and I wonder where he gets where, where that happened

1459
01:32:28,280 --> 01:32:33,040
Speaker 1: for him. Um. I love the uniqueness of Gibeon, of

1460
01:32:33,520 --> 01:32:40,040
Speaker 1: his voice. I think there's something that's not it's not traditional.

1461
01:32:40,640 --> 01:32:43,600
Speaker 1: So I'm into this. He's like a he's like a

1462
01:32:44,520 --> 01:32:51,960
Speaker 1: he's looking the new evolution of Keith Staton. Yes, um,

1463
01:32:53,360 --> 01:32:58,479
Speaker 1: almost a little jazzy. You know. You can move from

1464
01:32:58,760 --> 01:33:06,960
Speaker 1: very but but identific and identifiable these guys a little

1465
01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:15,599
Speaker 1: bit of a little bit but but emotion though, for sure.

1466
01:33:15,960 --> 01:33:21,160
Speaker 1: So I leaned towards voices that are emotional. Um, I'm

1467
01:33:21,200 --> 01:33:24,160
Speaker 1: not so. I used to be really into the movement

1468
01:33:24,960 --> 01:33:28,200
Speaker 1: how much you can do that, But I don't know

1469
01:33:28,400 --> 01:33:33,519
Speaker 1: that that's important anymore. He used to impress me. But

1470
01:33:33,640 --> 01:33:35,120
Speaker 1: it's not what I look for at this point. I

1471
01:33:35,200 --> 01:33:37,880
Speaker 1: look for emotion. I look for even if it's a

1472
01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:40,000
Speaker 1: holding a note and if it's crack at the right place,

1473
01:33:40,640 --> 01:33:44,200
Speaker 1: that it's something that we were delivers this. The main

1474
01:33:44,320 --> 01:33:47,320
Speaker 1: thing that we want that I think that we need

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01:33:47,439 --> 01:33:52,000
Speaker 1: is just emotion. Um, so that you can sing something

1476
01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:58,200
Speaker 1: that that connects and it's not about Um, it's not

1477
01:33:58,280 --> 01:34:00,760
Speaker 1: about so much about church anymore. Because I used to me,

1478
01:34:01,160 --> 01:34:05,000
Speaker 1: hands down, if your church, if you could go like,

1479
01:34:06,720 --> 01:34:08,439
Speaker 1: so that's what that's the thing. I know, I'm jumping

1480
01:34:08,439 --> 01:34:10,280
Speaker 1: around and moving around like that. But one voice I've

1481
01:34:10,280 --> 01:34:13,519
Speaker 1: always said I wanted if I had that voice. Uh,

1482
01:34:13,600 --> 01:34:16,080
Speaker 1: if I had that voice, I'd be a hell of

1483
01:34:16,160 --> 01:34:18,960
Speaker 1: a R and B dude. If I had BB whinding voice.

1484
01:34:19,840 --> 01:34:24,439
Speaker 1: You know, he can say anything if I had his voice.

1485
01:34:24,479 --> 01:34:26,800
Speaker 1: Like It's like I used to say that to Johnny

1486
01:34:26,840 --> 01:34:30,360
Speaker 1: if I had your voice, boy, and he's not know

1487
01:34:30,439 --> 01:34:32,600
Speaker 1: what to do. You only knew what you could do,

1488
01:34:33,240 --> 01:34:36,600
Speaker 1: you know. Um. But it's a little hard for me

1489
01:34:36,720 --> 01:34:39,240
Speaker 1: to build the the R and B singer that you

1490
01:34:39,280 --> 01:34:42,000
Speaker 1: want to go because I'm everywhere. You know, I'm not

1491
01:34:43,840 --> 01:34:49,280
Speaker 1: because who got styled? Who's performance style? Did you? Performance style?

1492
01:34:49,320 --> 01:34:57,120
Speaker 1: Performance style? When you look on stage? Who Who's that today?

1493
01:34:57,160 --> 01:34:58,880
Speaker 1: A lot of the in terms of R and B

1494
01:34:59,040 --> 01:35:02,880
Speaker 1: is is it's more about the females. They're the ones

1495
01:35:02,920 --> 01:35:07,640
Speaker 1: that have this flavor. They're cooking us. Um. You know,

1496
01:35:07,800 --> 01:35:12,720
Speaker 1: from from Jasmine Too to Summer to a lot of

1497
01:35:12,760 --> 01:35:15,200
Speaker 1: the girls that I've worked with on this album for

1498
01:35:16,280 --> 01:35:19,000
Speaker 1: Girls Night Out talking about it, it is like, um,

1499
01:35:20,479 --> 01:35:22,880
Speaker 1: people that I have was surprised with because I didn't know.

1500
01:35:23,200 --> 01:35:26,479
Speaker 1: So Rica had introduced me to a lot of these

1501
01:35:26,520 --> 01:35:29,479
Speaker 1: girls that I wasn't really aware of, and like one

1502
01:35:29,520 --> 01:35:32,360
Speaker 1: of them being Tiana Major nine. Oh we love her.

1503
01:35:32,720 --> 01:35:40,160
Speaker 1: And I had no idea that she had the presence,

1504
01:35:40,479 --> 01:35:42,960
Speaker 1: Oh my God in her vocal and she I had

1505
01:35:43,040 --> 01:35:44,560
Speaker 1: no idea. And when when we got her in and

1506
01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:49,160
Speaker 1: she started saying said, whoa men you you really you know?

1507
01:35:49,439 --> 01:35:53,920
Speaker 1: And then um, another pleasant surprise. I mean, look, we

1508
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:59,360
Speaker 1: at our Lennox come on special. What can I say? Um?

1509
01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:02,400
Speaker 1: And you know the Queen, I call her the Queen.

1510
01:36:02,520 --> 01:36:08,439
Speaker 1: Kailani has always the most recognizable just feel good ship period.

1511
01:36:08,600 --> 01:36:11,960
Speaker 1: She's just she just lands what what she lands. And

1512
01:36:12,040 --> 01:36:16,000
Speaker 1: I love the career that she's built for herself. She

1513
01:36:16,080 --> 01:36:18,360
Speaker 1: don't care about what nobody else but what she does

1514
01:36:18,439 --> 01:36:22,000
Speaker 1: and how she roseen and she's selling out places everywhere,

1515
01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:24,599
Speaker 1: and I love that. I love that she didn't care

1516
01:36:24,640 --> 01:36:28,040
Speaker 1: about radio. She ain't gotta care about radio because their

1517
01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:33,839
Speaker 1: fans love her and that's very pure. So, um, another

1518
01:36:34,280 --> 01:36:38,360
Speaker 1: voice somebody like that threw me? That didn't throw me,

1519
01:36:38,439 --> 01:36:43,760
Speaker 1: But I was just so impressed. Coco Jones. I had

1520
01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:47,360
Speaker 1: no idea we got she did a song simple on

1521
01:36:47,439 --> 01:36:52,519
Speaker 1: the album. Ain't that simple about that? Um? So, so

1522
01:36:52,760 --> 01:36:57,519
Speaker 1: I feel like for this record that I've worked on

1523
01:36:58,000 --> 01:36:59,720
Speaker 1: and these artists that I've been working with, I've been

1524
01:37:00,200 --> 01:37:03,720
Speaker 1: I've been inspired to see that these young girls, they

1525
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:07,200
Speaker 1: can sing, and they're also very independent in the sense

1526
01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:10,800
Speaker 1: that they like to When when we worked on this record,

1527
01:37:10,840 --> 01:37:14,040
Speaker 1: we wrote this together. It wasn't like xl UM where

1528
01:37:14,080 --> 01:37:17,400
Speaker 1: I wrote everything, handed it over. We wrote it all together,

1529
01:37:17,640 --> 01:37:21,880
Speaker 1: so we have one day to sing it, to write

1530
01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:25,680
Speaker 1: it and sing it on this whole album, and and

1531
01:37:25,800 --> 01:37:27,680
Speaker 1: so everybody came to the table and we and we

1532
01:37:27,760 --> 01:37:29,960
Speaker 1: only did it if we did it together. And so

1533
01:37:30,200 --> 01:37:36,080
Speaker 1: it was it was impressive to see their independence and

1534
01:37:36,280 --> 01:37:39,920
Speaker 1: see um independence in the sense like they it had

1535
01:37:39,960 --> 01:37:43,080
Speaker 1: to be had to mean something to them. Um. They

1536
01:37:43,120 --> 01:37:45,880
Speaker 1: weren't just gonna sing anything that you gave to them. Um.

1537
01:37:46,600 --> 01:37:50,439
Speaker 1: And they had a you know, had an opinion. And

1538
01:37:51,160 --> 01:37:53,320
Speaker 1: that wasn't always the case before and in all the

1539
01:37:53,400 --> 01:37:55,439
Speaker 1: years I've been doing it, somebody they just whatever you got,

1540
01:37:55,560 --> 01:38:00,280
Speaker 1: just give it to And that's cool, but it's always

1541
01:38:00,360 --> 01:38:03,960
Speaker 1: nice when someone is invested in it. And uh, and

1542
01:38:04,040 --> 01:38:07,280
Speaker 1: they kind of know themselves and I think that's there.

1543
01:38:07,479 --> 01:38:11,000
Speaker 1: There was. The surprise is that most of these are

1544
01:38:11,200 --> 01:38:14,160
Speaker 1: all the artists that they did know themselves. It's different

1545
01:38:14,160 --> 01:38:16,280
Speaker 1: when you get with one that wants to be something,

1546
01:38:16,360 --> 01:38:19,200
Speaker 1: but it's not that. But they actually knew themselves, so

1547
01:38:19,280 --> 01:38:23,439
Speaker 1: it made the process easier. Since you know, the name

1548
01:38:23,479 --> 01:38:25,320
Speaker 1: of the album is Girls Not Out, Girls Night Out,

1549
01:38:26,920 --> 01:38:29,519
Speaker 1: So you're gonna do a male version for the guys too,

1550
01:38:30,280 --> 01:38:32,320
Speaker 1: You're gonna do a series. Come on, man, you only

1551
01:38:32,360 --> 01:38:35,599
Speaker 1: the young fellas being with the young fellas. The young

1552
01:38:36,240 --> 01:38:45,120
Speaker 1: right there were available. It's something, it's something that you know,

1553
01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:47,880
Speaker 1: I could say, we'll see, we'll see with this rose.

1554
01:38:48,600 --> 01:38:50,960
Speaker 1: I had had a good time doing this and it

1555
01:38:51,080 --> 01:38:53,599
Speaker 1: was fun too, as I say, work with these girls,

1556
01:38:53,840 --> 01:38:58,559
Speaker 1: and I've always traditionally just worked better with the women. Women. Yeah,

1557
01:38:59,240 --> 01:39:04,479
Speaker 1: amazing success. So don't forget about Bobby Brown Camble. I

1558
01:39:04,560 --> 01:39:11,320
Speaker 1: mean it happened. They were there up. I guess they

1559
01:39:11,360 --> 01:39:14,120
Speaker 1: were the end of the road. Hey, man, go ahead

1560
01:39:14,200 --> 01:39:17,200
Speaker 1: and do another challenge to make him do the album

1561
01:39:17,360 --> 01:39:21,280
Speaker 1: with the young man I got you. Yeah, start some

1562
01:39:21,320 --> 01:39:29,200
Speaker 1: ship off tomorrow. He likes to go into that. Um,

1563
01:39:29,560 --> 01:39:33,040
Speaker 1: you messed up my whole voltron. You just yeah, no,

1564
01:39:33,160 --> 01:39:35,400
Speaker 1: you you've talked about all the things I wanted to

1565
01:39:35,439 --> 01:39:40,160
Speaker 1: talk about, putting so many artists, I talk a lot something. No,

1566
01:39:40,360 --> 01:39:44,439
Speaker 1: it's I love it. We need we needed that held vote.

1567
01:39:44,920 --> 01:39:48,120
Speaker 1: But speaking of of you know what, we got got

1568
01:39:48,160 --> 01:39:51,760
Speaker 1: a segment of the show for brother Face. Come. It's

1569
01:39:51,800 --> 01:39:54,360
Speaker 1: called I ain't saying on that sing and we need

1570
01:39:54,400 --> 01:39:59,280
Speaker 1: a baby Face version because we've had today. We've had

1571
01:39:59,280 --> 01:40:03,040
Speaker 1: all versions of our questions and are you know what

1572
01:40:03,120 --> 01:40:06,120
Speaker 1: I mean in our list? Baby Face? We know you.

1573
01:40:06,280 --> 01:40:09,240
Speaker 1: We you're gonna give us your versions. You're gonna remix

1574
01:40:09,320 --> 01:40:11,960
Speaker 1: all of our stuff, even though on the verses you

1575
01:40:12,000 --> 01:40:14,160
Speaker 1: said you didn't do remixes. That what your thing? Because

1576
01:40:14,200 --> 01:40:17,120
Speaker 1: you know, baby you ain't got do remixes. It's a

1577
01:40:17,160 --> 01:40:20,360
Speaker 1: great stunt. I was at the house cracking up. Oh

1578
01:40:20,479 --> 01:40:26,160
Speaker 1: so we're doing remixes, got it? Oh my god? I

1579
01:40:26,280 --> 01:40:28,439
Speaker 1: can't say that to Riley. But did you do y'all

1580
01:40:28,479 --> 01:40:31,680
Speaker 1: think I was like really going after him? Well I

1581
01:40:31,840 --> 01:40:37,559
Speaker 1: know you, so, yes, yeah, I wasn't. Okay, you're touching him?

1582
01:40:39,080 --> 01:40:43,800
Speaker 1: Sound like it wasn't full left hooks. What's the first job?

1583
01:40:43,920 --> 01:40:46,519
Speaker 1: What's the first job y'all think I did to me?

1584
01:40:46,680 --> 01:40:49,720
Speaker 1: The job, like I said, that's the job for me.

1585
01:40:49,840 --> 01:40:52,920
Speaker 1: Is that like remixing baby face something? I mean, you

1586
01:40:52,960 --> 01:40:54,800
Speaker 1: didn't have to say the full thing, but it's like

1587
01:40:54,960 --> 01:41:01,920
Speaker 1: we knew what it was. I have originals. Honestly, God,

1588
01:41:02,160 --> 01:41:06,360
Speaker 1: you how didn't do that? But it wasn't me. It

1589
01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:09,000
Speaker 1: wasn't meant that way. It was like because when he

1590
01:41:10,200 --> 01:41:13,439
Speaker 1: it felt like the rules changed suddenly because when he

1591
01:41:13,560 --> 01:41:17,760
Speaker 1: played the one song that it wasn't remix that wasn't

1592
01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:21,000
Speaker 1: something he produced. I was like, are we doing remixes?

1593
01:41:21,400 --> 01:41:23,280
Speaker 1: Because I was thinking, all right, but that's Jimmy and

1594
01:41:23,400 --> 01:41:28,519
Speaker 1: Terry so and then I said, well that's I don't

1595
01:41:28,560 --> 01:41:31,040
Speaker 1: do remixes. So I don't know if that but that

1596
01:41:31,240 --> 01:41:33,120
Speaker 1: came off like I was like, I don't even do

1597
01:41:33,240 --> 01:41:36,040
Speaker 1: remixes yea or no. That came off like I don't

1598
01:41:36,120 --> 01:41:38,360
Speaker 1: need to do right well, and that was not what

1599
01:41:38,680 --> 01:41:42,000
Speaker 1: it was. Honest answer, I don't do remixes because I

1600
01:41:42,080 --> 01:41:44,240
Speaker 1: didn't do remixes. It was it was back to the

1601
01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:50,360
Speaker 1: bless you more. Me commented, you didn't listen, man, you

1602
01:41:50,520 --> 01:41:56,120
Speaker 1: got your way of pooring champagoe. That brand is way

1603
01:41:56,160 --> 01:42:02,320
Speaker 1: wall playing on the wall inspiration is what I call

1604
01:42:03,400 --> 01:42:06,120
Speaker 1: all right, you got your way upoint Champagne. I'm just

1605
01:42:06,160 --> 01:42:10,519
Speaker 1: gonna stop what you are. There was no harm in anyway.

1606
01:42:12,120 --> 01:42:15,920
Speaker 1: So this was baby faces. I ain't saying names, ain't

1607
01:42:15,920 --> 01:42:18,880
Speaker 1: saying Oh this gotta could. The story can be funny

1608
01:42:19,120 --> 01:42:22,560
Speaker 1: or fucked up. Are funny and fucked up. I just

1609
01:42:22,640 --> 01:42:34,519
Speaker 1: can't say their names. Um, somebody tore up. I can't

1610
01:42:34,520 --> 01:42:38,599
Speaker 1: do that. You can't. You can't do it. You can

1611
01:42:38,680 --> 01:42:47,520
Speaker 1: do it? Can we could tell him you could do it? Um? Somebody,

1612
01:42:48,960 --> 01:42:59,519
Speaker 1: I heard somebody tore up a hotel room because I

1613
01:42:59,640 --> 01:43:07,519
Speaker 1: left the message to say congrats, and because they left

1614
01:43:07,600 --> 01:43:11,320
Speaker 1: them because I left that message to say congrats. The

1615
01:43:11,439 --> 01:43:15,439
Speaker 1: person tore up the room because they thought something was

1616
01:43:15,479 --> 01:43:21,000
Speaker 1: going on with that someone. You left congratulations to somebody

1617
01:43:21,080 --> 01:43:27,320
Speaker 1: getting married. No, that's all I'm saying. And you said

1618
01:43:27,640 --> 01:43:33,000
Speaker 1: still say no names them? Congratulations is different. I wish

1619
01:43:33,200 --> 01:43:36,759
Speaker 1: baby Face would wish me a congratulations on my whatever,

1620
01:43:37,160 --> 01:43:40,720
Speaker 1: because he don't want to tell us what whatever is. Hey, girl,

1621
01:43:41,560 --> 01:43:44,880
Speaker 1: you know him with your woman? Hey, you know sorry

1622
01:43:44,920 --> 01:43:50,320
Speaker 1: we didn't work out. I'm sorry we didn't work out.

1623
01:43:50,360 --> 01:43:54,719
Speaker 1: Looks like you really found love because it just wasn't

1624
01:43:54,760 --> 01:43:59,360
Speaker 1: just so congratulations. We hm it was a congratus. It

1625
01:43:59,400 --> 01:44:00,720
Speaker 1: should have been us. But I just want to let

1626
01:44:00,720 --> 01:44:06,160
Speaker 1: you know I'll always love you and if you ever

1627
01:44:06,240 --> 01:44:10,400
Speaker 1: need a home, I have plenty. Where would you go?

1628
01:44:10,600 --> 01:44:12,479
Speaker 1: You will come to me because I thought only thought

1629
01:44:12,520 --> 01:44:14,960
Speaker 1: you with my sunshine. You remember the Whipperfield, don't you

1630
01:44:17,040 --> 01:44:27,840
Speaker 1: signed the ps? Don't forget about those two occasions. Now

1631
01:44:27,880 --> 01:44:33,400
Speaker 1: that we've come to the end of the room, we

1632
01:44:33,520 --> 01:44:40,160
Speaker 1: could go all night, ladies and gentlemen. Um man um uh.

1633
01:44:40,560 --> 01:44:44,400
Speaker 1: One of the biggest inspirations for me and my career

1634
01:44:45,200 --> 01:44:48,760
Speaker 1: um from singing, songwriting to producing and now to us

1635
01:44:49,520 --> 01:44:52,840
Speaker 1: building a label, um and taking those steps. We are,

1636
01:44:53,360 --> 01:44:56,720
Speaker 1: like I said, we're following in some big footsteps and

1637
01:44:56,960 --> 01:44:59,719
Speaker 1: we are we're doing our best to make you proud.

1638
01:45:01,479 --> 01:45:04,560
Speaker 1: You've already may be proud, no, and we just in

1639
01:45:04,720 --> 01:45:10,840
Speaker 1: it you coming here and being on the podcast. For

1640
01:45:11,000 --> 01:45:13,360
Speaker 1: both of us, it's just like I said, this is

1641
01:45:13,400 --> 01:45:16,519
Speaker 1: a full circle moment. You might not even know it,

1642
01:45:16,600 --> 01:45:18,639
Speaker 1: but you're the first person that I worked or when

1643
01:45:18,640 --> 01:45:21,920
Speaker 1: I came here. Obviously you know I was working with

1644
01:45:22,040 --> 01:45:23,519
Speaker 1: Damon Thomas and you know what I mean. But like

1645
01:45:23,640 --> 01:45:28,120
Speaker 1: as far as like an artist, producer, writer, just the

1646
01:45:28,200 --> 01:45:30,720
Speaker 1: whole thing. And I never had a chance to tell

1647
01:45:30,760 --> 01:45:32,560
Speaker 1: you back then. I'm young and I'm just you know,

1648
01:45:32,680 --> 01:45:36,040
Speaker 1: boisterous and the whole thing. But you've been my favorite

1649
01:45:36,160 --> 01:45:40,400
Speaker 1: artist since I was a little kid. Thank you. I

1650
01:45:40,479 --> 01:45:45,439
Speaker 1: had a natural crack in my voice, something like alay.

1651
01:45:51,560 --> 01:45:56,080
Speaker 1: But you coming here today it means the world to us, man,

1652
01:45:56,680 --> 01:46:02,200
Speaker 1: because we truly celebrate a people who have inspired us

1653
01:46:02,920 --> 01:46:05,680
Speaker 1: and people who have continued to do it. Just like

1654
01:46:05,840 --> 01:46:10,640
Speaker 1: you said with your conversation with Aretha Franklin. Yeah, us

1655
01:46:10,680 --> 01:46:14,280
Speaker 1: seeing you still have a putting out more projects. You

1656
01:46:14,360 --> 01:46:16,960
Speaker 1: gotta put out nothing. You can do whatever you want.

1657
01:46:17,760 --> 01:46:19,840
Speaker 1: You've earned that in this in this life and in

1658
01:46:19,960 --> 01:46:22,559
Speaker 1: this business. Your success have put you in a position

1659
01:46:22,960 --> 01:46:25,040
Speaker 1: to do whatever you want. But the fact that you

1660
01:46:25,120 --> 01:46:29,280
Speaker 1: will still give back to the culture and still make

1661
01:46:29,360 --> 01:46:32,640
Speaker 1: these albums and still I know you don't like to

1662
01:46:32,720 --> 01:46:36,519
Speaker 1: say this, but give us your gift that means the

1663
01:46:36,560 --> 01:46:40,200
Speaker 1: world to us, man, And thank you, Thank you, Thank you,

1664
01:46:42,760 --> 01:46:46,160
Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen. I'm tanking. I'm Jay Valentine and this

1665
01:46:46,320 --> 01:46:50,439
Speaker 1: has been, um, in my opinion, the most special Army

1666
01:46:50,479 --> 01:46:55,240
Speaker 1: Money Podcasts episode today. UM, I love everybody who's been on.

1667
01:46:55,720 --> 01:47:00,599
Speaker 1: But the God it here, so man for get its

1668
01:47:00,600 --> 01:47:17,200
Speaker 1: baby face, Okay. R and B Money. R and B

1669
01:47:17,320 --> 01:47:20,439
Speaker 1: Money is the production of the Black Effect podcast Network.

1670
01:47:20,680 --> 01:47:23,639
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1671
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1672
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1673
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1675
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