1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:02,760 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm George Ori and welcome to the new I 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, a paranormal podcast network. 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: Like us on Facebook, Tell your friends and share us 4 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: with everyone. This is an exciting new network that will 5 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: feature podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, and the unexplained. Now, 6 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: please sit back and enjoy Dark Becomes Light with Heidi Hollis. 7 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: The thoughts and opinions expressed by the host our thoughts 8 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 1: and opinions only, and do not necessarily reflect those of 9 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: I Heart Media, I Heart Radio, Coast to Coast a 10 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: out employees of premier networks or their sponsors and associates. 11 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: You are encouraged to do the proper amount of research yourself, 12 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: depending on the subject matter and your needs. You are 13 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: listening to Dark Becomes Light with Me Heidi Hollis on 14 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast. They am 15 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: paranormal podcast network. Welcome to my show. Remember each week 16 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,199 Speaker 1: this is the place you go to when you want 17 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: to hear the latest when it comes to the paranormal, 18 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: from angels to aliens, hat man to shadow people, and 19 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: all of the in between. We cover it and it's 20 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,759 Speaker 1: not just about having experts come on this program. It's 21 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: about you and your stories, what you've experienced, what you 22 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: have researched, your opinions count. This is how we pull 23 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: this whole puzzle together. There is no single person who 24 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: says they have all the answers out there, and if 25 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: they do, run as fast as you can. Okay, But 26 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: first I want to remind you guys, go to my 27 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: main website, which is Heidi Hollis dot com h E 28 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: I D I H O L L I S dot com, 29 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: or go to shadow Folks dot com which goes to 30 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: the same website. And I also want to welcome you 31 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: to check out my paranormal comic strip website, which is 32 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 1: the Outlanders Comic dot com or on Instagram at the 33 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: Outlanders Comic. Now, I wanted to talk about something here 34 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: first before we get to my fabulous guest, who is 35 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: Ray Boucher. And let me tell you this guy covers everything. 36 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: He has studied Bigfoot, he has studied demons, he has 37 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: studied the alien phenomena New Age, and he's a priest. 38 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: Very fascinating conversation. You're in for a great treat. And 39 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: in lieu of speaking to him, um, you know I 40 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: love covering all these different topics, and and I always 41 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: trying to interject and mix everything from one end to 42 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: the other because I have written books on all these 43 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: different topics. So Angel encounters, Jesus encounters, demon encounters, and 44 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 1: I'm the first and only person to have named defined 45 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: and now even trademarked to paranormal phenomena shadow people and 46 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: hat Man. Only work of mine are in my books 47 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: and what you hear on this show, no programs, no movies, 48 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: and no other groups, just myself. And but people really 49 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: run with stuff and make it into whatever they want 50 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: to make it into, which is not always cool um 51 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: as surely as not. Um. So it's it's been really 52 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: challenging when I'm trying to make sure I get a 53 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: certain message across because the things that are going on 54 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: when it comes to all these different topics that I cover, 55 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: it's bigger than me or you or anybody trying to 56 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: get rich quick off from somebody's material or work. Twenty 57 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: years into this, I've been talking and I've been hoping 58 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: that people understand the goal. The goal is to realize 59 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: we are physical beings living a very spiritual life. Uh. 60 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: It sounds a little odd, but think about it. Especially 61 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: when it comes to the whole paranormal arena, which is 62 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: anything from the aliens to ghosts, anything that's out of 63 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: the ordinary. It involves a spiritual element always does. Think 64 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 1: about these aliens that walk through the wall? Is that technology? 65 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 1: But then how these reports of people who claim to 66 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: not always go physically with these beings they are taken, 67 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: they're souls on board, and sometimes they see their bodies 68 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: being replicated and and their soul is sucked back into it. 69 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: So what's going on here? There's a manipulation going on. 70 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: But then there's this other element when it comes to aliens, 71 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 1: you know, silver ship right, and little gray big headed 72 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 1: creatures or Reptilians or Nordics or whatever. If you're being 73 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: abducted and you're not really going along with the plan, 74 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 1: you're like, you can't do this to me, you have 75 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 1: no rights to do this to me. They stop and go, oh, yes, 76 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 1: we do. You agreed, I agreed. It's like this inner 77 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: thing where they have to get this notion from the 78 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: inside out for you to agree. It's not just this 79 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: physical you're resisting. You know they're holding you down, They've 80 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: already paralyzed you. And how they paralyzed you, by the way, 81 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: did they did they somehow numb your mind and they 82 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 1: tap into your souls somehow and say, can't move now, 83 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: can you? What is this? People have said they look 84 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: into the eyes of these creatures and all of a 85 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:11,359 Speaker 1: sudden they're paralyzed. What is that? Does there's something you 86 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: know that eyes are the window into the soul, right, 87 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: and these things are controlling it? And why do they 88 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: need to get that little nod of permission from us? 89 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: What is that? Remember, it's a convincing that has to happen. 90 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: There is something more too than just them physically grabbing 91 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 1: us and taking us. This is a very very spiritual thing, 92 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: so we have to really think about that. There are 93 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: so many different elements. And yeah, there's a ton of 94 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 1: books for you to catch up on with what's going on. 95 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 1: There's research that's flying left and right, But ultimately I'm 96 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 1: trying to put it down into this little bitty pocket 97 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: of information to let you all that this is this 98 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 1: is the notion, this is what's going on. And then 99 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: you got the Shadow People. So I put word of 100 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: Shadow People out there and it came to me by 101 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: way of positive alien contact that myself and My college 102 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: roommate had, what a what a strange thing to say, huh. 103 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: But I'm very very honest about what it is that 104 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: I've experienced, and when it comes to shadow people, it's 105 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: all about spiritual stuff because apparently these dark things, these menaces, 106 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: are puppet tears, their puppet masters. They pull the strings 107 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: and possess some of these beings that are abducting people. 108 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: Sounds kind of a way out there, right, but I'm 109 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: talking to you as the person who twenty years ago, 110 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: as a college kid, learn these things. Started talking about 111 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: these things, paying my way to different conferences across the 112 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: country and saying, why shout, this is what's going to 113 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: come because I was experiencing them. One of my friends 114 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: had experienced them, and then I was like, what you know. 115 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: All I knew is what I was experiencing was very real. 116 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: Because I trust my eyeballs. I use them for work, 117 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: I use them to drive, and I'm pretty sane, although 118 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: I have a big sense of humor. This is just 119 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: I know these things and I trust that. And when 120 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: I started going around and trying to put this out 121 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: there to warn of this, people started coming forward. I 122 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: got on coast to coast with George Nori, and all 123 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: of a sudden, thousands of people from around the globe 124 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: started writing me like this is real. And they were 125 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 1: reporting seeing shadow people right alongside of alien beings. And 126 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: it always seemed like if a person was experiencing aliens, 127 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: they were also experiencing paranormal things in seeing shadow people 128 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: or hat Man or ghostly things or poulter Geist things. 129 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: It's all connected. And shadow people, I mean what they 130 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: could take on so many different forms, right, they could 131 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: shape shift, they could go through balls like it's nothing. Uh, 132 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: they have glowing red eyes. And then there's hat Man. 133 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: What does he do? Well, what doesn't he do? He 134 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 1: is lists overseer of all these shadow demons, and he 135 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: loves to peer into people's souls and let them know 136 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: that he's looking for a way in to grab your soul, 137 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: and then he does it. Sometimes. It's the very spiritual 138 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: thing going on in this paranormal world, in the UFO world. 139 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: And then you think about Bigfoot, I mean, what does 140 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 1: he do? He can pretty much appear and disappear and 141 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 1: never leave droppings. Uh, never leave a carcass, never leave 142 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: scraps of what they're doing. Where are they sleeping at 143 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: what's going on here? And people we'll report feeling something 144 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: menacing watching them, or they feel watched or stalked, threatened. 145 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: What's making them feel that way. I think it's their 146 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: soul kind of calling out to them that's something's wrong. 147 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: We have these ears inside of us that are kind 148 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: of like a radar to say, look out, something's coming. 149 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: We are very spiritual beings and we're being very much 150 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: targeted and very much manipulated, and we need to take 151 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: our power back. We need to realize that we are 152 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: something to behold and to be had, because why are 153 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: they all coming our way? What is this? Why is this? 154 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 1: I say, we don't sit around and wait for them 155 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 1: to make the move, but instead to prepare, don't go 156 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 1: after them. No, I don't think that's a healthy thing. 157 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: But I think it's wise for us to be strong 158 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: and where we are and where how we stand, because 159 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: we have human potential that is beyond most things, and 160 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: we have access and we have tools to choose to 161 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: go with negative or to go with positive. We have 162 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 1: ancient scriptures that have warned and told us this is 163 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: what you do in case of this or in case 164 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: of that. We have been told we have been warned. 165 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: We have the knowledge, and we just have to trust 166 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 1: and we have to trust that gut instinct when something 167 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 1: is near us and when to put our dukes up 168 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: and be ready for it. It's a very spiritual thing 169 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: going on. Nothing is what it appears to be. And 170 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: what are these things called miracles? What are these angelic encounters? What? 171 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: There are things that go on that the medical community 172 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: are like, you know, I'm sorry, you have staged four cancer. 173 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: You're going to die and that's it. And then the 174 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: person passes and then they come back to life cancer free. 175 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 1: Look these things up. These things are going on. This 176 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: is not what it appears to be. This world is fluid, 177 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 1: things are changing. I know that I've experienced something that 178 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: was very much like a time shift. I know I 179 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:24,439 Speaker 1: did because guess what, I trust myself now. I don't 180 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: question or doubt and I'm pretty reasonable, and uh, I 181 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 1: trust when people tell me things that are real for 182 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 1: themselves as well. Who might have looked down my nose 183 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: and say, nope, didn't follow the playbook? Here? What's the playbook? 184 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: It's forever changing. It's a magical world that we live in, 185 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: and I hope we start to realize that we are 186 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: equally magical, and we're sought after, and we have power 187 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: in that. Otherwise, these things that come to us in 188 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: the middle of the night wouldn't have to try to 189 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: paralyze us in order to take advantage of us. Remember that, 190 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: and hey, you guys are going to really enjoy this 191 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: next conversation I'm having with Ray Beauche. You are listening 192 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 1: to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the 193 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 194 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: Stick around, We'll be right back. Stay right there, there's 195 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: more Heidi coming right up. You're listening to the I 196 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast a paranormal podcast. Welcome back. 197 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi 198 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast 199 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: AM Paranormal Podcast Network. As promised, I have a fabulous guest. 200 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: Founder and former director of the forty and Research Center, 201 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: the Reverend Dr Raymond W. Bousher, has been involved in 202 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:05,079 Speaker 1: the study of unexplained phenomena since nineteen He has served 203 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: as Nebraska State Director for the Mutual UFO Network, on 204 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 1: the Board of Advisors for citizens against UFO secrecy, and 205 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: in various capacities with numerous other organizations around the globe. 206 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: A graphic artists and book designer with the prestigious University 207 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: of Nebraska Press for nearly twenty years before retiring. Dr 208 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: Bouche holds a b a from Peru State College and 209 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: th h M degree from St. Mark's School of Divinity 210 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: and th h d from St. Paul Theological College. His 211 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: concentrations are in systemic theology, are focused principally on Biblical 212 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: responses to cults and occult practices, paranormal events, religious experience, 213 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: and working to resolve the false dichotomy created between science 214 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: and theology, both to the public and the academy. So 215 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: I'd like to welcome Ray Bauchet to the show. I 216 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: have had the pleasure of knowing of your work for 217 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: a long time and being connected with you on social 218 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: media and chatting with you directly about so much, and honestly, 219 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: I don't know what you don't cover when it comes 220 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: to various types of mysteries. I mean, I read off 221 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: your your your bio here, but it doesn't quite suffice. 222 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: So let's dive in a little bit to give a 223 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: little taste of all that you have done that you'd 224 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: like to throw into the mix here. So your background 225 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about some of these things 226 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: that you're here in your bio. All right, well, I UH, 227 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: I grew up in a little town in southeast Nebraska. 228 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: UH went to college Bruce State College and major it 229 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: was an art major, and spent the first essentially there's 230 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: some overlap here, but forty years of my career designing 231 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: books and illustrating book covers and and that sort of thing. 232 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: I have always had some from the time I was 233 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: ten years old. UH a very compelling interest in UFOs, cryptozoology. 234 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: Men in black have done a lot of research into 235 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: the occult things like that. UM. In the late eighties, 236 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: I began work on a master's in theology and then 237 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: continued that with a doctorate in theology, and in nineteen 238 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: ninety was ordained as a Baptist pastor. UM then made 239 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: made what was kind of a strange jump at the time, 240 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: was ordained then as an Anglican priest and served as 241 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: an Anglican priest and director of a church that I 242 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: planned for about ten years. I had some health issues 243 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: and had to step down from that UH ended up 244 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: finally in two thousand eleven, retired from my UH stant 245 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: as a graphic artist for the University of Nebraska Press 246 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:06,120 Speaker 1: and became a full time pastor at Christ Lutheran Church 247 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: here in Lincoln, Nebraska. It's one of the largest Lutheran 248 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 1: Church Missouri synods in the country, and was the pastor 249 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: for an old education there. So I got I got 250 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: to uh to teach a lot of theology to a 251 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: lot of people, UH and continued on with my research 252 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: into the unexplained as time would allow. So that's you know, 253 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:32,400 Speaker 1: that's that's all. That's brief and description as I can get. 254 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: I am just like you know, I'm in awe of you, 255 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: and anybody is listening to what you're you're trying to 256 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: express here should be as well, because it's when I said, 257 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: you cover everything I'm in crypto zoology to becoming a priest. 258 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: I mean, come on, now, that's just uh. I can say, 259 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 1: that's quite unique. Um, it's not the normal career path. 260 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 1: It surely isn't. And you've done some great research and 261 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: written some fabulous work academic work as far as a 262 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: lot of things that I love to speak of here 263 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: on this show. I mean dark becomes light. And I 264 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: always interject, you know, we speak of all these paranormal 265 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 1: and spooky things, but how do you defeat this stuff? Well, gee, 266 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: let's let's think about this. It's like we have to 267 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: stop being shy about mentioning God or Jesus in the 268 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: mix of these things. And I'm not shy about it here. 269 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:31,239 Speaker 1: And I love that you are not in all that 270 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 1: you do as well. You know, that was one of 271 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: the compelling things that pushed me into, uh working on 272 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 1: my master's in theology in the late eighties. As I was, 273 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: I was really actively involved with MUFON and did a 274 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:51,959 Speaker 1: lot of conferences, some sponsored by the University of Nebraska, 275 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 1: UH conferences on the Unexplained, and we had just a 276 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: great response internationally in terms of attendance. UH. But I 277 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:07,479 Speaker 1: began to nice there was this undercurrent of UH and 278 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: you're you're still just a little young to be right 279 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 1: in the thick of this during the eighties. But it 280 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: was you know, the really the the second blossoming of 281 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 1: the New Age movement. UM Shirley McClain and her out 282 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,679 Speaker 1: on a Limb and you know, all kinds of you know, 283 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: just really alternative views of spirituality, let's put it that way. 284 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: And I began to notice that the one perspective that 285 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 1: was not being given was the Christian perspective. And so 286 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: I realized I had become a Christian my senior year 287 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: in high school and had studied theology on my own. Uh, 288 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: so I was I certainly was not a novice, but 289 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 1: was very much an autodidactically trained theologian. Um, so I knew, 290 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 1: I knew what I was talking about. I thought, I 291 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 1: need to be really prepared, uh, with some formal education 292 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 1: so I can address these issues in a way that 293 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 1: is meaningful from a Christian theological viewpoint and is sound theologically. 294 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 1: And my background from decades of work in the paranormal 295 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: gives me some credibility that a lot of other pastors 296 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 1: who would want to address this don't have. And so 297 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:32,400 Speaker 1: I was filled. I was kind of uniquely positioned to 298 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 1: give a Christian response to a lot of these issues. 299 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:37,439 Speaker 1: And so that's what that's what got me into the 300 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: theological training. And it's been, you know, it's been the 301 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: sort of thing I had. I won't name any names, 302 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 1: but I had a heated conversation during a Q and 303 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: A at a conference that we did here in Lincoln 304 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 1: uh On. This was a particular session was on a 305 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 1: deductions and an individual who was a mental health professional 306 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: and an abduction researcher uh was very overwrought at the 307 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: fact that I had mentioned that I didn't believe that 308 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: a lot of what was taking place in abduction events 309 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 1: was benign or benevolent, but there seems to definitely be 310 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:32,160 Speaker 1: some evil intent. And we had this really heated exchange 311 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 1: in front of the whole audience, and finally he, in exasperation, 312 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,679 Speaker 1: said well, what would you what would you recommend that 313 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: if this is so evil? And I said, Jesus, there's 314 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: no there's no other there's no other explanation from my perspective. 315 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: If if we're talking about the creator of the universe 316 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:04,439 Speaker 1: who took on human flesh in order to pay the 317 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:12,919 Speaker 1: penalty for humanities sins, then what other explanation can there be? 318 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 1: What other response can there be to evil? Then turning 319 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:23,199 Speaker 1: to the creator and savior and saying, show me what 320 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: I need to do. You you you made me, You've 321 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 1: saved me. I need your help. And that's the only 322 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: that's the only explanation that intellectually it makes sound sense. 323 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: To me, you can do a lot of playing around 324 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 1: in terms of of of Eastern philosophy Eastern religions, but 325 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: you never come down to that core truth that is 326 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: historically provable. Uh. And I know that raises a lot 327 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: of questions and raises a lot of people's eyebrows, but 328 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 1: the Judeo Christian tradition is is historically provable. There are 329 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: points in time where we know Jesus was an actual 330 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,199 Speaker 1: person who actually lived. We know the apostles who are 331 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:17,640 Speaker 1: actual people who actually lived. Um Paul makes a good 332 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 1: example when he says he's talking about the resurrection of Christ, 333 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: and he says, you know, Christ appeared to us, to 334 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 1: his disciples and to five hundred of the brothers in Jerusalem, 335 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 1: and if you don't believe us, go to Jerusalem yourself 336 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: and talk to him, because they're still alive. So now, 337 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: obviously two thousand years later, we've missed that opportunity, but 338 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:46,360 Speaker 1: he was. He was stating very plainly, these are actual 339 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,199 Speaker 1: events that actually happened. And if you don't, if you 340 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: have doubts about this, go talk to the people who 341 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: saw him walk and talk and preach, and who saw 342 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: him after he rose from the dead. So there there's 343 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: I just wanted to say. I always like to point out, 344 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:05,719 Speaker 1: you know, well, gee, we set our clocks to before 345 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: death and after death. I would say that's pretty important. 346 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: You know everybody has taken notice of that, right absolutely. 347 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: And you you notice this is one of my huge 348 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: pet peeves in academia. If you notice, no longer is 349 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 1: the BC used BC and a D and o'domini year 350 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: of the Lord and b C short for the Latin 351 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 1: version of before Christ. It's and Odomoni the year of 352 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 1: the Lord has been changed to see the common area 353 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: Common era, and it's before the Common Era. So they've 354 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: they've even even at this point in history that humanity, 355 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 1: Western humanity for two thousand years said this is the 356 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: dividing point in history right before Christ and after Christ. 357 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: Our our culture now has gotten to the point where, no, 358 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: that's just not right. We have to refer to as 359 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: the common era. So we'll go before the Common Era. Wow. 360 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:18,640 Speaker 1: And and I just I find that as a Christian, 361 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: as a as an intellectual being, I find that just 362 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: that's that's a shame. It is. Okay, Well, we've got 363 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: to get to our next break. You are listening to 364 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the I 365 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast a M Paranormal Podcast Network. 366 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 1: We'll be right back. Okay, folks, we need your music. 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Now back to Heidi and Dark 377 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: Becomes Light on the I Heart Radio and Coast to 378 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:44,120 Speaker 1: Coast a M Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back. You are 379 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on 380 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal 381 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: Podcast Network. And I have Ray Bouche and we were 382 00:26:54,840 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: speaking about Christ being the one to tak whole evil 383 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: and uh, that will include evil aliens, evil presences, and ray. 384 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 1: I get these emails all the time and people are like, 385 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 1: I don't get into that religious stuff, but I just 386 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 1: saw the devil. Oh hold on, that's religious. You'll acknowledge 387 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 1: the devil versus God. You know, you better hope that 388 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 1: you've got something in you to fight this because they're like, 389 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:23,919 Speaker 1: what do I do? I don't get into it, but 390 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 1: I just saw the devil. He's bothering me, and I'm like, 391 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: throw a shoe at it then, because uh, it's it 392 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 1: seems like we're in a time of shame. Uh to 393 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 1: even believe in such a thing. And uh, I don't 394 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: know why. I mean I get you know, Catholics feel betrayed. 395 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 1: A lot of people lost their faith. Parents aren't getting 396 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 1: up on Sundays and take their kids to church. But 397 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:51,439 Speaker 1: we need this, this now more than ever because with 398 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,639 Speaker 1: the pandemic going on, these dark things are really picking 399 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: up the pace. It's an absolute fact. I mean you, 400 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: you you nailed it, just perfect be there. Our culture 401 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,479 Speaker 1: and our society has moved further and further away from 402 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:10,880 Speaker 1: any any desire to recognize that there is good and evil. 403 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: I'll give you an example. There's a psychic who will 404 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 1: call me occasionally with the names of people who have 405 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: reached out to her because and said, I'm dealing with 406 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,640 Speaker 1: something here, and she'll begin to explore a little bit 407 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 1: station or the person will come to a realization that 408 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 1: this is something evil and demonic. And since this person 409 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: doesn't believe in the existence of evil, which I always thought, 410 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: have you have you listened to the news lately, have 411 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: you picked up a newspaper, she doesn't. She doesn't believe 412 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: that there is such a thing as objective evil. And 413 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 1: so she'll say, you need to talk to Ray. And 414 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,719 Speaker 1: so she'll put me in contact with these people who 415 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: are having problems. And you know, and the only thing, 416 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: the only answer that I have is you know, Christ 417 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: is the only answer. That's it's nothing. It's nothing in me. 418 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: I have no particular power, I have no particular influence 419 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 1: over evil. But because I have placed my faith in Christ, 420 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: and Christ has promised to dwell with me in the 421 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 1: form of the Holy Spirit, then anything that I do 422 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: I approach. And very much the classic line from The Exorcist, 423 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:37,239 Speaker 1: the power of Christ compels you. That's that that's the 424 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: one message that you can give to evil forces that 425 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: they have to, they have to believe it. But you know, again, 426 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: it's it's not it's not me, it's not any one person. 427 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:52,479 Speaker 1: It's that power of Christ that, through God's gift of faith, 428 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: dwells within us. And so we we use the presence 429 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: of Christ within us to compel these things to leave 430 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: and to leave us alone. Yeah, you know, do you 431 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: think that you know here you were, You're sitting in 432 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 1: a in a auditorium full of people who were interested 433 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: in the topic of alien abduction and UFO sightings, and 434 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: you start speaking of Christ and and the combination just 435 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 1: for some people it's like a dead stop, like I 436 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 1: just can't combine the two. And I remember back in 437 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: the day when people had this thought, if you believed 438 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: in aliens, well you can't believe in God. And they 439 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: had this division, and then the churches would preach this 440 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 1: is all demonic only. And I just I can't help 441 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 1: but to wonder if the confusion is what created some 442 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 1: of this division where people don't feel they can have 443 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 1: these these balance of beliefs. I mean, what do you 444 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: think is the problem that they're just not translating this. 445 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: It's it's a it's a type of blindness Um, it's 446 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: it's highness on the part of Christians who refused to 447 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 1: believe that everything they don't understand is not evil. Maybe 448 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: a better way to put it is, though, that which 449 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 1: they don't understand they brand as evil. Uh, you know. 450 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: I look at I look at the topic of of UFOs, 451 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: for instance. I have no idea what the origin of 452 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 1: any particular entities that people encounter might be. I have 453 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: I see no theological objections to the existence of extraterrestrial life. 454 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: We certainly haven't proven it uh scientifically yet empirically, but 455 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: I see no I see no spiritual reason to say 456 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: that God could not have created sentient beings elsewhere. I 457 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: begin to be able to distinguish the when people interact 458 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 1: with these entities, and you begin to look at the 459 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: message these entities are sharing with people, then you can 460 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 1: begin to to judge and weigh the content of the 461 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 1: material that's being given to those who experience these things 462 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 1: and decide is this is this good? Is it evil? 463 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 1: Is it neutral? Uh? You know? And they're really there 464 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: are no hard answers except when you run into situations 465 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: where people have been in contact with entities over a 466 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 1: long period of time and almost without fail. Almost there 467 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 1: are criticisms raised by the entities against the godhood, the 468 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: divinity of Jesus, the veracity of the Bible, the truth 469 00:32:54,960 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: of scripture, the existence of God. And seems to me 470 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: that when you see, when you see a body of 471 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 1: information that's given to uh, dozens, hundreds, maybe thousands of 472 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 1: people over decades that tends to denigrate Christianity, but never Buddhism, 473 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 1: never Hinduism, never Islam. Uh, it's only pointed at Christianity. 474 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 1: That begins to look to me like maybe Christianity is 475 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 1: the one true thing that they work so hard to 476 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: try to disprove in that in those situations, I look 477 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: at it and say, I don't know what this could 478 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: be other than demonic. That doesn't make every every encounter demonic, 479 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 1: but it certainly raises the possibility that there are some 480 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: that are and we need to we need to reguard 481 00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 1: against those. Yeah, that's that's interesting because I put the 482 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 1: thought out there too, you know, uh, you know, positive 483 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,319 Speaker 1: and negative, like there's a conflict and alien contact going 484 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 1: on out there, and uh, and then I get the 485 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 1: person in the auditory, well, not my alien. Oh okay, Uh, 486 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 1: did you invite them over No, okay, did they violate you? Well, 487 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 1: but I learned from it, Okay, you know, so there 488 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 1: comes there's always an answer, and it's like, you know, 489 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 1: I don't like to bash people for what they believe 490 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,479 Speaker 1: to be true for themselves to help them sleep better 491 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:33,359 Speaker 1: at night. Um, but it's like the the reality is 492 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,400 Speaker 1: what it is. If if you could say, in Jesus 493 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 1: name to it, and it bothers it, there's a problem, 494 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,880 Speaker 1: and and they leave, they leave when they when people 495 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,879 Speaker 1: say that, so I'd say that's not good. So um. 496 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 1: But then there are more positive beings that but you 497 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 1: don't hear of them that often. But that speak of Jesus, 498 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 1: that speak of you know, don't trust the ones that 499 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 1: are abusing you. But people don't like to hear about 500 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,719 Speaker 1: that because there's so many people that are becoming victims 501 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,839 Speaker 1: of these more abusive beings. I mean, I just don't 502 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,320 Speaker 1: know where to go forward on it sometimes, and I'd 503 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 1: love to hear your opinion on that, you know, it's 504 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,719 Speaker 1: it seems to me it's very similar to and I've 505 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 1: worked with I've worked with a lot of women over 506 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 1: the years who have been in abusive relationships, and it's 507 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 1: very much the kind of thing where women even and 508 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 1: men too sometimes who find themselves in abusive relationships, they 509 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:37,320 Speaker 1: attract and are drawn to the type of people who 510 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:43,759 Speaker 1: will abuse them because they have no adequate sense of 511 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 1: self worth. So they figured, this is what I deserve. 512 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 1: If I want some sort of attention, then I just 513 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,359 Speaker 1: I deserve this kind of behavior, and so I just 514 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,239 Speaker 1: have to put up with it. It's it's much the 515 00:35:55,360 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 1: same cycle, I think with contact with these entities. They 516 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 1: are Stockholm dyndrome. It's kind of a stock kind of 517 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 1: a Stockholm syndrome. That's a very good way to put it. 518 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:15,480 Speaker 1: They they accept, they accept the abuse from these entities 519 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:20,360 Speaker 1: because that's what they deserve because they're not spiritually open 520 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 1: enough yet, so they don't really deserve anything positive. Uh yeah, 521 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,360 Speaker 1: So I just have to put up with this because 522 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,319 Speaker 1: it's good for me. Uh Now, that's not to say 523 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 1: that God doesn't bring us through tough times and provide 524 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,959 Speaker 1: us with things that challenges so we can and learn 525 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:44,160 Speaker 1: and so our faith can grow. But there's always that growth, 526 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:50,360 Speaker 1: and it's not this this rea ever lasting cycle of 527 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:55,440 Speaker 1: abuse and oh, I guess I've awakened to this and 528 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 1: some more abuse, and I guess I've awakened to this. 529 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 1: It's it's a different a different type of it's a 530 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,400 Speaker 1: different type of situation where, you know, it's much the 531 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 1: difference between a child abuser and a parent who disciplines 532 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 1: their child. Say, I see, But then there's like research 533 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:22,560 Speaker 1: out there that can confuse people. Because I believe Ray 534 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 1: Hernandez has put some work together. It's like, you know, 535 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:30,319 Speaker 1: ultimately people become more spiritual after their alien abductions and 536 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,480 Speaker 1: and then I'm sorry they changed it to alien contact 537 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:36,719 Speaker 1: these now and it's like, well, you know, I can't help, 538 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,200 Speaker 1: but you know, to wonder how did these things come 539 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:45,320 Speaker 1: to be? Well exactly and you know, I there again. 540 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 1: That's another it's another kind of bugaboo for me. The 541 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:57,120 Speaker 1: term spiritual. You know, there are there are some very 542 00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 1: nasty people who are involved in cultic activities that are 543 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:09,160 Speaker 1: damaging both of themselves and to others that consider themselves spiritual. 544 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 1: So spiritual doesn't carry a very positive connotation for me. 545 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,520 Speaker 1: Hold it right there, Ray, We've got to get to 546 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,480 Speaker 1: our next break, and I want to remind everybody to 547 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:25,200 Speaker 1: go to Heidi Hollis dot com or shadow Folks dot 548 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,520 Speaker 1: com and tell me about what's on your mind. Write 549 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,520 Speaker 1: the emails, put as much detail as you'd like in there, 550 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,759 Speaker 1: and I will address it here on this program. You 551 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,960 Speaker 1: are listening to Dark Becomes Light with Me, Heidi Hollis 552 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 1: on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM 553 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:54,080 Speaker 1: Paranormal Podcast Network. Stick around, We'll be right back. Hang 554 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,120 Speaker 1: in there. Heidi's coming right back on the I Heart 555 00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:06,799 Speaker 1: Radio and Coast to Coast a M Paranormal Podcast Network. Hey, 556 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,120 Speaker 1: it'swer George and Orian. Thank you for listening to the 557 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,560 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast a M Paranormal 558 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:15,239 Speaker 1: Podcast Network. Here we go with more Dark Becomes Light 559 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:32,640 Speaker 1: with Heidi Hollis. You are listening to Dark Becomes Light 560 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,000 Speaker 1: with me, Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio and 561 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,880 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. And I have 562 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,120 Speaker 1: Ray Bouchet and we were speaking on the topic of 563 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,960 Speaker 1: those who call themselves quote unquote spiritual and I like you, Ray, 564 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,680 Speaker 1: I don't quite like that title because it just feels 565 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,239 Speaker 1: like that's something I used to call myself when I 566 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,440 Speaker 1: wasn't sure what the heck I was. And it seems 567 00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,600 Speaker 1: almost like a cop out, like people are not wanting 568 00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:04,279 Speaker 1: to identify and just say they feel something. But what 569 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,600 Speaker 1: is that? And I'm curious what your take is on 570 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,920 Speaker 1: the word. Well, you know, the in broad strokes the 571 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:15,200 Speaker 1: Christian Church has, they've sort of we need out a 572 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,040 Speaker 1: lot of respects. There are there are a lot of 573 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,880 Speaker 1: churches who will tout being spiritual. There are a lot 574 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,320 Speaker 1: of churches who will appear to be Christian in name only, 575 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,520 Speaker 1: But when you get down to the substance of it, 576 00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,759 Speaker 1: there if you were to talk to the pastor, he 577 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,600 Speaker 1: might say, you might run across someone who'd say, you know, well, 578 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,759 Speaker 1: I I enjoy your services here, but you know I'm 579 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,360 Speaker 1: actually a Hindu. Well that's all right. You can be 580 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,399 Speaker 1: a Hindu, and you can you can come to church 581 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:43,239 Speaker 1: here and believe what. No, you can't. You can't do that. 582 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,960 Speaker 1: You have to choose. You're either a Hindu who believes 583 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,680 Speaker 1: in the existence of thirteen million plus deities, or you're 584 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:53,320 Speaker 1: a Christian who believes in one God, in three persons 585 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,399 Speaker 1: who took on flesh and suffered and died to pay 586 00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:00,560 Speaker 1: for our sins. It's an entirely different set of belief. 587 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:04,200 Speaker 1: You can't have them all lumped in together. It does 588 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,080 Speaker 1: it doesn't work that way one contradicts the other, and 589 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:11,440 Speaker 1: so to appease society to be culturally relevant, to be 590 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:17,000 Speaker 1: inclusive and diverse seems to be the idol that many 591 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:21,160 Speaker 1: parts of the Christian Church have placed on a pedestal 592 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,200 Speaker 1: rather than God. So they would rather be seen to 593 00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:31,440 Speaker 1: be inclusive and loving and holding to absolutely no solid 594 00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:37,680 Speaker 1: principles just to be accepted by society. And Jesus himself said, 595 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:42,279 Speaker 1: you know, you've seen how they treated me. If they 596 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,319 Speaker 1: treat me this way, how do you think they'll treat you. 597 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:48,880 Speaker 1: So be prepared to be persecuted for your beliefs. And 598 00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,479 Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of people are just too 599 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,920 Speaker 1: scared to do that. And I don't know any other 600 00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,600 Speaker 1: way to do it other than knowing that I was warned, 601 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,680 Speaker 1: are going to be persecuted for your beliefs. So I 602 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,000 Speaker 1: I stand up for what I believe in and don't 603 00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,160 Speaker 1: condemn anyone for what for what they believe in. But 604 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,879 Speaker 1: if they'd like to talk about it, I'll show them 605 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,080 Speaker 1: why I believe what I believe. That's how why I 606 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,440 Speaker 1: think it's it's intellectually satisfying. Yeah, that's how I feel too. 607 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,520 Speaker 1: It's like, you know, everybody's got their own path that 608 00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,640 Speaker 1: they need to go on. But if they want to 609 00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,160 Speaker 1: ask me, I'll talk to them about, you know, my 610 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:30,240 Speaker 1: understandings and my experiences, and you know, hopefully it helps 611 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:36,040 Speaker 1: to build different decisions or understandings for everybody, you know, 612 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,799 Speaker 1: for the people that I bump into. Um. And it's 613 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,480 Speaker 1: the best that we can do sometimes, but it becomes 614 00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,160 Speaker 1: really frustrating. Uh. You know, I'm curious about some of 615 00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,680 Speaker 1: the work that you've been doing, as far as some 616 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,080 Speaker 1: of your academic writings. You've done some recent research. I 617 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:55,560 Speaker 1: was I was invited to participate in the Bigelow Institute 618 00:42:55,600 --> 00:43:00,520 Speaker 1: for Consciousness Studies essay contest on what's the best evidence 619 00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:04,480 Speaker 1: for the existence of the persistence of life consciousness after 620 00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:09,600 Speaker 1: physical death? And uh, so I I spent about oh 621 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,480 Speaker 1: seven hours a day for three months working on this 622 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:18,800 Speaker 1: this research paper. Uh and it was very it was 623 00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:22,440 Speaker 1: a great it was a great opportunity to dig into, 624 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,360 Speaker 1: in my opinion, the first question that has to be answered, 625 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:31,800 Speaker 1: and that can we provide an intellectually sound, empirically sound 626 00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:36,879 Speaker 1: basis for consciousness to exist after human death? And so 627 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,160 Speaker 1: I approached it with the idea of we have to 628 00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:44,840 Speaker 1: look at we have to understand that the universe was 629 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:51,400 Speaker 1: created by an eternally self existent being who exists outside 630 00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,600 Speaker 1: of space and time. We can't have we know space 631 00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,719 Speaker 1: and time began, there's a point at which it began. Well, 632 00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,880 Speaker 1: something outside of that had to begin it because nothing 633 00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,919 Speaker 1: comes from nothing, and so there isn't there's a point 634 00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,520 Speaker 1: in time which everything began and everything was created. And 635 00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,359 Speaker 1: so once you established that, then you say, okay, if 636 00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,240 Speaker 1: there's this being that exists outside of space and time, 637 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:17,600 Speaker 1: then when our consciousness is separated from our body at 638 00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:21,800 Speaker 1: the time of death, there is a place to which 639 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:25,080 Speaker 1: that consciousness can go and continue to exist. And so 640 00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,520 Speaker 1: that was that. That was the tack I took. It's 641 00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,799 Speaker 1: it's an interesting thing, but it's very fundamental to the 642 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:35,239 Speaker 1: whole question because you have to establish that there there 643 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:39,440 Speaker 1: is a place where the soul, if you will, the 644 00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:43,600 Speaker 1: human spirit, the human consciousness can exist after death. If 645 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,440 Speaker 1: if anybody is interested that I've I've posted the paper 646 00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:50,360 Speaker 1: at Academia dot e du So if you go to 647 00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:55,800 Speaker 1: Academia dot edu and search for raybo Sha bo e 648 00:44:55,960 --> 00:45:00,400 Speaker 1: h E, you'll find you'll find that you'll find uh 649 00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:04,880 Speaker 1: several books that I've done um some research papers on 650 00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,680 Speaker 1: a number of topics, and so I'd encourage anybody to 651 00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,839 Speaker 1: who's interested that please please head there and take a look. 652 00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,920 Speaker 1: And it's all available free of charge to download fascinating 653 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,839 Speaker 1: reads there too. You've got quite a few things up there. 654 00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:22,120 Speaker 1: I had the pleasure of reading some of it. So 655 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,960 Speaker 1: you're next things that you're going to be tackling. I mean, 656 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:27,719 Speaker 1: where do you see we need the most help when 657 00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,400 Speaker 1: it comes to absolutely everything that you cover, I mean 658 00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:35,400 Speaker 1: cryptozoological stuff or paranormal or uthology. I mean, there's so 659 00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,480 Speaker 1: much need out there and we can't tap into everything, 660 00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,319 Speaker 1: but you sure have. And where do you think we 661 00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:46,200 Speaker 1: need the most work? You know? I think that I 662 00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:51,000 Speaker 1: always come back to fundamentals, and I think from a 663 00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:56,160 Speaker 1: theological point of view, there are four questions that are 664 00:45:56,520 --> 00:46:03,440 Speaker 1: fundamental to humanity that we have always asked origins meaning morality, 665 00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:08,040 Speaker 1: and destiny. Where did we come from? Why are we here? 666 00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:14,160 Speaker 1: How do we live? And where are we going? That's 667 00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:19,480 Speaker 1: what those four questions are, what every spiritual system of thought, 668 00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:24,600 Speaker 1: every intellectual system of thought, has tried to answer. And 669 00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,840 Speaker 1: I think we have to come to grips with those 670 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,360 Speaker 1: four things, and it's the same when it comes to 671 00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:34,840 Speaker 1: the question of of the paranormal, all of those areas, 672 00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,239 Speaker 1: where did it come from? Why is it here? Why 673 00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:42,919 Speaker 1: is it here? How does it operate? And where's it going? 674 00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,120 Speaker 1: And so I think if we if we always reduce 675 00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:50,480 Speaker 1: things to those four fundamental questions and begin to look 676 00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:54,439 Speaker 1: at things from that perspective, it begins to bring things 677 00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:58,920 Speaker 1: into a greater degree of clarity. I'm I'm in the 678 00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,919 Speaker 1: process of doing some search right now on the whole 679 00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:05,719 Speaker 1: idea of of bigfoot. Bigfoot I think, in many instances 680 00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:12,400 Speaker 1: is definitely a large unknown hominid the North American would 681 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,840 Speaker 1: ape is how Lauren Coleman likes to, uh like to 682 00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:20,480 Speaker 1: express Bigfoot. I think, I think there's an actual animal 683 00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:27,120 Speaker 1: out there. But there are some instances of bigfoot encounters 684 00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:32,640 Speaker 1: that are ultimately paranormal in nature. Uh So, how do 685 00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:36,879 Speaker 1: we begin to account for those? Um? Nobody has has 686 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:40,600 Speaker 1: really taken a good in depth look at at that, 687 00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,439 Speaker 1: other than to notice that, Hey, these things are out there, 688 00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,919 Speaker 1: and some of them don't seem to be They don't 689 00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:51,520 Speaker 1: behave like physical animals, they behave like something paranormal. UM. 690 00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,680 Speaker 1: And I willly interject here, I like the term paranormal, 691 00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:59,840 Speaker 1: which means literally alongside the normal. So we have a 692 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,919 Speaker 1: there realities if you were, that do exist alongside us. 693 00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:08,520 Speaker 1: That's why they're paranormal. I like that. That's that's that's 694 00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:12,080 Speaker 1: quite true. But how can people look you up or 695 00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:17,160 Speaker 1: contact you? If you if you go to the website 696 00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:20,920 Speaker 1: at Academia dit E Du my page there, you'll find 697 00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,279 Speaker 1: my contact information and I would and you can even 698 00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,759 Speaker 1: contact me directly through Academia dit E Du. It's a 699 00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,200 Speaker 1: it's a great place to put papers. I have some 700 00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:36,880 Speaker 1: oh gosh, probably pages of my research notes on the 701 00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:41,080 Speaker 1: Ryndelshom forest incident that I have scanned, but I'm trying 702 00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,360 Speaker 1: to figure out the best way to get them uploaded 703 00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,600 Speaker 1: to academic because it's probably going to have to be 704 00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:50,520 Speaker 1: split into four or five sections. Tread to download some 705 00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,680 Speaker 1: of my books, they're they're in two parts because the 706 00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:58,640 Speaker 1: PDF files are just too large and the website won't 707 00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:02,480 Speaker 1: take anything file that big. Oh I got you. Yeah, 708 00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,560 Speaker 1: I always notice if there's a part one and a 709 00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:09,640 Speaker 1: part two. Okay, when you're downloading things wonderful. All right, Well, 710 00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,120 Speaker 1: I want to thank you so much Ray Bouchet for 711 00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,280 Speaker 1: coming here on the program. This is an absolute blast 712 00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:18,760 Speaker 1: per usual. Well, Hi, it's my pleasure. I'm always happy 713 00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:23,120 Speaker 1: to be able to jump on and talk about Gosh, 714 00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,920 Speaker 1: these things that interest me so much. I can totally relate. 715 00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,440 Speaker 1: This is an absolute passion. A lot of us who 716 00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:33,920 Speaker 1: are involved in these fields were totally fueled by sheer 717 00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:38,520 Speaker 1: willpower and absolute drive to find answers and usually coming 718 00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:43,759 Speaker 1: from a place of being an experiencer ourselves. Um, how 719 00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,000 Speaker 1: you know, Ray is absolutely inspiring and I love that 720 00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:51,239 Speaker 1: he covers so many different areas and also, as I say, 721 00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,640 Speaker 1: sprinkles some Jesus on these topics, and uh, you know, 722 00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,359 Speaker 1: it just seems so necessary because it is such a 723 00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,000 Speaker 1: spiritual thing that we are going through as I met 724 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,040 Speaker 1: ached in the first segment here, and uh, you know, 725 00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,880 Speaker 1: one step at a time, one step at a time, 726 00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,480 Speaker 1: and we'll all place our little pieces to the puzzle 727 00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:12,160 Speaker 1: and and get this thing figured out as we move along. 728 00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,160 Speaker 1: And you know, I want to remind you all to 729 00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,880 Speaker 1: please go to my main website, which is Heidi Hollis 730 00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:22,240 Speaker 1: dot com or shadow Folks dot com. And I'll rattle 731 00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,600 Speaker 1: off a couple of other of my websites as well. 732 00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,000 Speaker 1: I have a couple of books that cover the topic 733 00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:33,120 Speaker 1: of what faith and uh, I'm a cartoonists, so I 734 00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,240 Speaker 1: mixed it all in there, and I did a kid's 735 00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,799 Speaker 1: book version, and I also did an adult version. Um 736 00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,360 Speaker 1: a book that I think you guys might enjoy. Go 737 00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:45,120 Speaker 1: to the other F word dot com which stands for 738 00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,200 Speaker 1: faith of course and uh, and I'll also welcome you 739 00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:51,960 Speaker 1: to go to my paranormal comic strip, the Outlanders Comic 740 00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,400 Speaker 1: dot com. I think you'll enjoy that, Or go to 741 00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:59,880 Speaker 1: Instagram at one Heidi Hollis or at the Outlanders com 742 00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,000 Speaker 1: Mike and uh. Yeah, most of the social media, I 743 00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,680 Speaker 1: put a one in front of my name, and you 744 00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:09,080 Speaker 1: can keep in touch and informed on what's going on, 745 00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,080 Speaker 1: when and where, because I'm telling you a lot of 746 00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:17,200 Speaker 1: different things are happening, especially into the new year, because 747 00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:19,440 Speaker 1: my gosh, I have a lot of cool projects I 748 00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:23,319 Speaker 1: think you will want to hear about. Wow, this has 749 00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,120 Speaker 1: been fun. Why can you believe? This has almost been 750 00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:30,120 Speaker 1: a full year of me being part of this network 751 00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,640 Speaker 1: and it has been an exciting one. A couple more 752 00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:36,160 Speaker 1: shows to go. You have been listening to Dark Becomes 753 00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:39,000 Speaker 1: Light with me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio 754 00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:44,279 Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast a um paranormal podcast network. We'll 755 00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:52,799 Speaker 1: see you next time. Stay safe, everybody, goodbye. Well, if 756 00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,920 Speaker 1: you like this edition of Dark Becomes Light, wait till 757 00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,360 Speaker 1: you hear the next one. You've been listening to the 758 00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:02,040 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio and Coast to Stay m paranormal podcast 759 00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:02,520 Speaker 1: network