1 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio news. This is the Bloomberg 2 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: Daybaq podcast, available every morning on Apple, Spotify or wherever 3 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: you listen. It's Friday, the sixteenth of February in London. 4 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: I'm Caroline Hepke and. 5 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 2: I'm Stephen Carroll. Coming up today, Apple gets settle launch 6 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 2: a new AI tool as it goes head to head 7 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 2: with rival Microsoft. 8 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: Labour secures a double election win as the Conservatives reportedly 9 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:35,599 Speaker 1: walk back major tax cup plans. 10 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 2: Plus a milestone moment in Greece as it becomes the 11 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 2: first majority Christian Orthodox country to legalize same sex marriage. 12 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: Let's start with a roundup of our top stories. 13 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 2: Bloomberg has learned that Apple is finalizing work on a 14 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 2: new artificial intelligence tool for app developers. It's understood the 15 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 2: new system we'll use AI to code more quickly and 16 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 2: compete with Microsoft's rival system. Chief correspondent Mark German got 17 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 2: the scoop. 18 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 3: The way Apple looks at AI. They're not going to 19 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 3: release a chatbot. They're not going to release a chat 20 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:11,279 Speaker 3: GPT competitor, despite having one internally. They're going to apply 21 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 3: artificial intelligence to their applications where it makes sense and 22 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 3: one place it makes sense is for development of software. 23 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 2: Mark German says sources have told him that Apple's next 24 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,639 Speaker 2: iPhone and iPad software updates will also include a slew 25 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 2: of new artificial intelligence features. Will have more from Mark 26 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:31,479 Speaker 2: in a few minutes time when he joins us on 27 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 2: the show. The news comes as Microsoft backed open Ai 28 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 2: tased a new system that can create realistic looking videos 29 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 2: based on text prompts from users. The move makes it 30 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 2: the latest company in the sector to embrace generative video technology. 31 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 4: Now. 32 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: Labor have taken two parliamentary seats from the Conservatives in 33 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: by election results, suggesting that they are on the brink 34 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: of power in the UK. Labour's Jen Kitchen won the 35 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:02,559 Speaker 1: Wellingborough constituency with only fourteen thousand votes. That's a swing 36 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: of twenty eight and a half percent. 37 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 5: I also know from the thousands of conversations I have 38 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 5: had during this campaign how desperately people want change and 39 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 5: a fresh start for our country, and everyone who has 40 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 5: told me they are willing to look at Labor again, 41 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 5: I want to thank you all for this opportunity and 42 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 5: I won't let you down. 43 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: If Labor could achieve the same swing as Kitchens win 44 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: or Labour's are the by election victory in Kingswood. Nationally, 45 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: they would take power in the next general election. The 46 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: results also mean that the Conservative government has now suffered 47 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: more defeats in a single term of office than any 48 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: government since the nineteen sixties. 49 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 2: The Chancellor has reportedly shelved plans for a two p 50 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 2: cut to income tax. The Telegraph says the news of 51 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 2: a recession has made Jeremy Hunt postponed plans to reduce 52 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 2: the basic rate from twenty to eighteen percent. Bloombergs James 53 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 2: Wilcock has more. 54 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 6: Of MPs are clinging on to tax cuts as their 55 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 6: electoral north star, but the Telegraphs say figures inside the 56 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 6: Treasury are looking on in horror at new forecasts for 57 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,679 Speaker 6: servicing government debt with high long term interest rates. The 58 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 6: Chancellor himself made a rare comment on monetary policy yesterday. 59 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 7: Many people thought it wouldn't hit the Bank of England's 60 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 7: two percent target for a year. It now looks like 61 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 7: it might do that in the next few months, and 62 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 7: when that happens you can start to bring down interest rates. 63 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,359 Speaker 6: It comes as Bloomberg has learned that Hunt is considering 64 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 6: cuts the public spending next month to make room for 65 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 6: voter friendly tax giveaways in London. James Wilcock Bloomberg Radio Well. 66 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: Now to FED policy, Raphael Bostic says that there's no 67 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: rush to cut interest rates with the US labor market 68 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: and economy as strong as they are. The Atlanta Fed 69 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: president also sounded a note of caution for those who 70 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: believe that inflation is heading back to two percent. Here's 71 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: what he said during a speech in New York. 72 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 8: We have made some and gratifying progress and slowing the 73 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 8: pace of inflation. All things considered, the US economy is 74 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 8: in a good spot, even an enviable spot compared to 75 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 8: other major economies. But from my vantage point, the evidence 76 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 8: from data, our surveys, and our outreach says that victory 77 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 8: is not clearly in hand and leaves me not yet 78 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 8: comfortable that inflation is inexorably declining to our two percent objective, 79 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 8: and that may be true for some time, even if 80 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 8: the January Consumer Price Index report turns out to be 81 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 8: an aberration. 82 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: The Fed's Raphael Bosig also repeated his expectation for a 83 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: first cut to occur in the third quarter of this year. 84 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 1: Data out earlier this week showed that US consumer prices 85 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 1: jumped at the start of the year, with the CPI 86 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 1: index rising by more than forecasts across the board. 87 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 2: In January, escalating conflicts between Israel and has Belas fueling 88 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 2: fears of a new war front in Lebanon, the Iran 89 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 2: backed group fired dozens of rockets into northern Israel from 90 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,919 Speaker 2: lab responding to the killing of one of its commanders 91 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 2: in an Israeli strike on Wednesday. Professor Salmon Zarka, director 92 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 2: of a medical center in Israel, says there are a 93 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 2: number of casualties associated with the fighting. 94 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 9: So far, We've treated over one hundred and seventy injureding 95 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 9: connection to these shooting and all the challenges coming from Hesbela. 96 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 9: These matters are within our training. Our team is ready 97 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 9: and prepared, and it responded this morning despite the sarens 98 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 9: and provided the required response. 99 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 2: That Salmon Zarka, speaking through a translator. A government advisor 100 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 2: says Lebanon's Prime minister has reached out to the US 101 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 2: and France in a bid to ease tensions. Both Hesbela 102 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 2: and Hamas are supported by Iran and considered terrorist organizations 103 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 2: by the United States. 104 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: Greece has become the first majority Orthodox Christian country to 105 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: legalize same sex marriage. The landmark legislation was approved on Thursday, 106 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 1: introducing same sex civil marriage and establishing equal parental rights. 107 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 1: Spporters gathered in central Athens as the vote was announced, 108 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: all people cheering there in the streets of Athens as 109 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: the news was shared. Whilst the vote received support from 110 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 1: four opposition parties, the influential Church of Greece strongly opposed 111 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: the legislation. Now, in a moment, we're going to get 112 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: more details on Apple's move into a I plus the 113 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 1: vote to legalize same sex marriage in Greece. Use something 114 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: lighter for a Friday, A bit of fashion for you. 115 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 2: I certainly learned something from reading this latest piece by 116 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 2: our bombercominion columnist Andrea Felsted. The headline itself as a 117 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 2: work of genius, how mob wife killed coastal Grandma, But 118 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 2: it's about how big fashion brands are scrambling to keep 119 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 2: up with the latest fashion trends on TikTok and I 120 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 2: have to say those next stremely helpful table that defines 121 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 2: what all of these terms actually mean. So Kroly, you 122 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 2: know this obviously because you are our residencety like on 123 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 2: but mob Wife is described as fur coat, gold, jewelry 124 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 2: and leather. Coastal Grandma is linen, raffia bags and sandals. 125 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 2: My favorite Tomato Girl, which is fruit prints, red orange 126 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 2: and esper drills. 127 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: I love it. I absolutely love this guide. It is 128 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: really Yes, I'm definitely aspirational mob Wife of a Weekend, 129 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: but I think that Andrea has you know, also put 130 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: it really brilliantly, which is the difficulty of fashion brands 131 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: to keep up with the pace of all of this 132 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: and the fact that some of these fashion trends exist 133 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: all at the same time. Sometimes they clash, and it's 134 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: the fact that they're also speeding up because TikTok is 135 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: delivering them so quickly. So she's also handily given us 136 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: a few fashion sort of trend setters to follow on 137 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: TikTok in order for these brands to perhaps try to 138 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: be up to date and deliver the sort of pieces 139 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: that people want. 140 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 2: I mean, look, it's a piece that brings together fashion trends, 141 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 2: supply chains, and also pointing out that perhaps Beyonce and 142 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 2: large arrays country albums could mean this. Yeah, Country Cowgirl 143 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 2: is the next look that starts Fromandre Felstad. 144 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: Well, let's get more details now on apples race to 145 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: develop artificial intelligence tools and the news that it's close 146 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: to completing one for app developers. Our chief correspondent Mark 147 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: German broke this story and he joins us Now, Mark, 148 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 1: very good morning to you. What exactly does this tool do? Then? 149 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me. So. The tool 150 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 4: that Apple is developing is part of the next major 151 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 4: version of xcode, that's apple S flagship programming software for 152 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 4: developers within Apple to create the software that Apple releases, 153 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 4: but more importantly, for developers outside of Apple to create 154 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 4: the softwer that runs on the company's platforms. Now, this 155 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 4: feature will use artificial intelligence generative aidit be more specific 156 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 4: and large language models for write code for developers on 157 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 4: their behalf. This would speed up the time it takes 158 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 4: for developers to write applications in addition to test applications, 159 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 4: likely saving developers' money, but also speeding up the process 160 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 4: getting new types of apps onto the app store more quickly. 161 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 4: So this is really significant and a really core thing 162 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 4: for Apple to need to make in order to make 163 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 4: its broad pustions of generative AI. 164 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 2: Does this push Apple mark into the AI big leagues 165 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 2: to compete with the likes of Microsoft in this area. 166 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 9: A good question. 167 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 4: This alone does not push Apple into the big leagues 168 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 4: per se. What it does do is it's just the 169 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 4: foundation to help Apple eventually get there. Now, in addition 170 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 4: to this x code upgrade, you're going to see a 171 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 4: lot of AI features come to the next iPhone and 172 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 4: the iPad and the Mac, the Apple Watch, the Vision Pro, 173 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 4: you name it. Over the next few years. We're talking 174 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 4: about playlist creation in Apple Music on the user's behalf. 175 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 4: You're talking about the for text input, for photo and 176 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 4: video editing. We're talking about summaryas in the Safari web 177 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 4: browser for an article. So at some point you're going 178 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 4: to see artificial intelligence across Apple's platforms. Now, the one 179 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 4: thing I will caution is that Apple's taking a bit 180 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 4: of a slowgo approach here, as they typically do. It's 181 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 4: going to be a while before you see a proliferation 182 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 4: of the I features. This is going to be something 183 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 4: gradual released over a number of years. 184 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: On cold Okay, interesting, So then do you think an 185 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: Apple GPT, which is something that you reported about last year, 186 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: is actually on the way anytime soon? 187 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 4: So the Apple GPT is something that Apple developed for 188 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 4: use internally. Right, this is not a chatbot that Apple 189 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 4: would release publicly. This is something to prove the concept 190 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 4: and to prove how well as large language models work internally. 191 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 4: So this is not something that I would anticipate Apple 192 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 4: to release publicly, at least in the short term. And 193 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:02,599 Speaker 4: that's because they try to apply the underlying technology to 194 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 4: core features and they don't necessarily see, you know, a 195 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 4: chatbot as a feature to them, it's more of a 196 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 4: cool gimmick. But there are use cases for chatbots that 197 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 4: could be used in a non chapbot like interface. For example, 198 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 4: if you ask chen gpt to write you an email 199 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 4: to someone, right, that's something that maybe they can integrate 200 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 4: specifically email that in their email app on the iPhone. 201 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 2: Mark This is a company that you know very well. 202 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 2: Can you put in context? First, where Apple is placing 203 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:38,199 Speaker 2: AI in terms of internal priorities. Is it on a 204 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,559 Speaker 2: scale of developing new products? 205 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 4: AI for Apple is their top priority for twenty twenty four, 206 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 4: Everything is going into artificial intelligence. In terms of their 207 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 4: software engineering plans. They're planning one of the most ambitious 208 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 4: updates to date for their iOS eighteen update that's going 209 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 4: to be an in June and this is certainly going 210 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,319 Speaker 4: to be a very very big part of that upgrade, 211 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 4: and so it's paramount for Apple's development process for this year. 212 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: Okay, Mark, thank you so much for being with us 213 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: and something that we need to keep any Apple's and 214 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 1: new AI tools. Our chief correspondent Mark German. 215 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 2: At Greece's parliament has voted to extend equal marriage and 216 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 2: automatic parental rights to all citizens, becoming the first majority 217 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 2: Christian Orthodox country to do so. The law had been 218 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 2: promised by Prime Minister Kiakos mitz Attackus after his election 219 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 2: last year, but he needed the support of center left 220 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 2: and Left US opposition parties to pass it. Stavros Gavriliadis 221 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 2: has been with his partner for twenty years. They've three 222 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 2: children together and plan to get married now. He's been 223 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 2: telling Bloomberg about what this means to him. 224 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 10: For many families and especially mine, this law really solves 225 00:12:54,320 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 10: all our problems honor, freedom, equality, love and our dignity 226 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 10: and ensures the rights of our children. 227 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 2: That stars that really had us speaking to our deputy 228 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 2: Athenspiry Chief Paul Togwell, and Paul joins us now for more. 229 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 2: Good morning, Paul, how significant a change is this in Greece. 230 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 11: Good morning. It is a big change for Greece. The 231 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 11: country still can be described as being socially conservative, and 232 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 11: as you mentioned, it is the world's now first orthodox 233 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:32,199 Speaker 11: Christian country to do this. Also, no one expected that 234 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 11: such legislation would be introduced by a center right government. 235 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 11: Curious miss obviously had pledged to do this when he 236 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 11: was re elected last year, but still there were skeptics 237 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 11: that thought he would have a hard time introducing this 238 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 11: legislation to parliament, but he plowed ahead. So we can't 239 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,439 Speaker 11: underestimate how much of a milestone it is for Greece. 240 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: How much your position was there then to the law. 241 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 11: There was opposition in parliament, as you would expect from 242 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 11: more far right wing parties, but there was also opposition 243 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 11: from within mitz Tax's on center right New Democracy Party, 244 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 11: including from ministers in his cabinet some of them, and 245 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 11: from former Prime Minister and Doonia Samaras, who gave a 246 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 11: very anti speech yesterday in Parliament. And because of that 247 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 11: Mitsattachis had to rely on the support of some opposition parties. Obviously, 248 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 11: there was face opposition by the country's influential church. Obviously 249 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 11: regards to sexuality as a sin, but said that the 250 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 11: new legislation basically represents an attack on the traditional Greek 251 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 11: family and that it was its obligation to highlight that. 252 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 11: Of course, a reply from the government was this legislation 253 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 11: only concerned civil marriages. It's an issue for the state, 254 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 11: even though it respects the church's views. It's not for 255 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 11: the church to interfere in terms of civil marriages that 256 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 11: are allowed by the states. 257 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 2: Paul further than just marriage, which is somewhat interesting considering 258 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 2: that when we've seen this happen in other countries, it 259 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 2: often doesn't extend into things like parental rights. Can you 260 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 2: talk us through the details of what this law exactly 261 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 2: will change. 262 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 11: Yes, the government makes no secret in the fact that 263 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 11: it wanted to concentrate on what White's marriage gives as 264 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 11: opposed to marriage itself. Recent opinion polls so that there 265 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 11: was general support small majority for same sex marriage, but 266 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 11: less support for the ability to adopt. And the new 267 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 11: DA legislation will allow same sex couples to adopt. Why 268 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 11: is that important. It doesn't mean just that a same 269 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 11: sex couple that has no children can adopt. It means 270 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 11: that same sex couples who already have children will be 271 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 11: able to adopt the children of the other parent. For example, 272 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 11: a male same sex couple where one is the biological 273 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 11: father of one parent and the other is the biological 274 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 11: of one child and one the others biological parent or 275 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 11: another child, they will be able to adopt the child 276 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 11: of the other. Why is that important because current in Greece, 277 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 11: in these couples, if you are not the biological parent, 278 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 11: you can't do so simple things like pick up the 279 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 11: child of your partner from school without special permission. You 280 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 11: can't have input into decisions on the well being or 281 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 11: anything health related to the child. So in the law 282 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 11: very much, as Mitsutaki said in parliament, yes, they solve everyday, 283 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 11: daily problems. Pauli. 284 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 2: You've also been speaking to where the campaigners who thought 285 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 2: for this, Gregorius Valiniatas, and he says there's more work 286 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 2: to be done. Let's take a lesson. 287 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 12: Moving forward. Sex education should be introduced in a serious 288 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 12: way in schools from the primary level, in a way 289 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 12: that each child understands growing up. There are many challenges. 290 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 12: The distortions in information are great and schools should honestly 291 00:16:56,080 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 12: and boldly inform people about the enormous diversity that love 292 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 12: has today. 293 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 2: So that's the campaigner Gregorius Vaniniatos there speaking to you, Paul. 294 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 2: This is a big change in Greece, but it's also 295 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,360 Speaker 2: a change in the region. You mentioned also that it's 296 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 2: the first majority question Orthodox country to legalize same sex marriage. 297 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 2: What are the hopes for marriage equality in some of 298 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 2: Greece's neighbors. 299 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 11: I think currently the hope that I'm very high. If 300 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 11: you look at Greece's neighbors who are members of the 301 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 11: European Union, only Cyprus has some form of recognition same 302 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 11: sex marriages and former civil unions. To the north Bulgaria, 303 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 11: its constitution states marriage has between has to be between 304 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 11: a man and a woman. So in order to introduce 305 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 11: same sex some marriage, you'd have to change the constitution 306 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 11: and currently there isn't the support political support to do that. 307 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 11: In Romania, the Prime Minister has repeatedly said that while 308 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 11: in theory he's not against such legislation, he doesn't think 309 00:17:55,800 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 11: that Romanian society is currently ready. Then outside of the EU, 310 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:02,640 Speaker 11: but still within the region, we have Serbia where the 311 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 11: president there which it has said that you would never 312 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 11: sign off any legislation to introduce same sex marriage, even though, 313 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 11: of course the country's Prime Minister is in the same 314 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:15,360 Speaker 11: sex relationship and has a sum So for the immediate future, 315 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 11: Greece is very, very strikingly on its own in this 316 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 11: corner of Southeast Europe in terms of having same sex marriage. 317 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 11: Of course, the majority of countries have done this in 318 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 11: Europe are in the northern and western part of the content, 319 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 11: so Greece really stands out as being on its own 320 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 11: in terms of this legislation. 321 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,439 Speaker 2: This is Bloomberg Daybreak Europe, your morning brief on the 322 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 2: stories making news from London to Wall Street and beyond. 323 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: Look for us on your podcast feed every morning, on Apples, Spotify, 324 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: and anywhere else you get your podcasts. 325 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 2: You can also listen live each morning on London Dab Radio, 326 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 2: the Bloomberg Business app, and Bloomberg dot Com. 327 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,439 Speaker 1: Our flagship New York station is also available on your 328 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: Amazon Alexa devices. 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