WEBVTT - The Diddy Trial: !!!BREAKING!!! DIDDY SPEAKS (Bonus Episode) 0:00:02.320 --> 0:00:03.119 Hey there, folks. 0:00:03.200 --> 0:00:07.840 It is Tuesday, June twenty fourth, and the prosecution rests, 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:12.720 the defense rests, and Diddy says thank you to the 0:00:12.840 --> 0:00:17.320 judge in open court. Welcome to the second Diddy update 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:20.800 of the day here on Amy and TJ and Robes. 0:00:20.800 --> 0:00:23.079 It was a day of developments, which is why we're 0:00:23.079 --> 0:00:23.880 hopping back on. 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:24.639 A lot of. 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:27.479 Stuff happened in the afternoon as we're recording this. It 0:00:27.520 --> 0:00:31.120 is early evening here on the East Coast. But a 0:00:31.200 --> 0:00:35.320 day of developments, including hearing Diddy's voice in open court. 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:37.720 I guess just the we'll get into the exact quotes 0:00:37.720 --> 0:00:39.920 in a second, but just the idea of hearing from 0:00:39.960 --> 0:00:42.680 him seems like it's a big day, just that he spoke. 0:00:42.840 --> 0:00:44.920 Did you just imagine he said it the way you 0:00:45.040 --> 0:00:45.720 inflected it? 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:46.319 Thank you. 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:49.199 Would take that? Take that take that. 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:53.480 I was laughing. I was like, Wow, did he really 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:54.480 do it? Just like that thing? 0:00:54.480 --> 0:00:56.280 You know what if you did, maybe you want to 0:00:56.400 --> 0:00:58.960 sound very sweet and very innocent today in court. 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:00.320 We know I cannot imagine. 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:03.360 Coming out it's probably Mike, thank you no, but this 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:06.840 is the first time that we have heard from Ditty 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:10.960 directly correct since the beginning of this trial. 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:13.040 I'm trying to think there had to be something where 0:01:13.040 --> 0:01:14.959 he had to give a nod or a yes, or 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:17.119 maybe eighty little. 0:01:17.640 --> 0:01:18.520 I can't remember it though. 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:22.479 The only thing I have seen reported on from folks 0:01:22.520 --> 0:01:25.760 in the courtroom is his demeanor, his facial expressions, the 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:28.640 fact that he was nodding or nodding. 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:29.839 Aggressively towards a juror. 0:01:30.400 --> 0:01:35.240 We've seen reports today that he was hunched over, reports 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:38.200 that he wouldn't look at the screen when some of 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:40.680 the explicit videos were being shown, But no, those were 0:01:40.680 --> 0:01:45.480 just descriptions of his behavior and his physical demeanor, but 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:46.959 nothing from him directly. 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:47.520 You know what. 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:50.320 We've been following a lot of these coom these reporters, 0:01:50.560 --> 0:01:53.040 and we were reading their note today about him speaking. 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:55.280 None of them mentioned that he had spoken prior, so 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:56.040 I think they would have. 0:01:56.080 --> 0:01:58.280 They would have pretty sure that would have been a 0:01:58.280 --> 0:01:58.720 big deal. 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:00.600 So this might have been it to hear from him 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:02.040 the first time. 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:06.760 We also had a cross examination that took longer than expected, 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:09.079 which is now messing with the timeline. 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:11.320 And also Diddy's team. 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:14.720 Is asking for an acquittal right now and they haven't 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:16.840 gotten an answer to that yet, So that's an afternoon 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:19.040 of developments. That's why we jumped on. But I guess, 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:21.079 like we said, the big one here hearing Diddy's voice. 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:23.200 This is a standard part of any trial. We talked 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:25.000 about it before it happened. We're going to hear from 0:02:25.040 --> 0:02:27.640 Diddy today because they always ask are. 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:28.960 You going to testify on your own defense? 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:29.239 Yeah? 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:31.240 But I thought it was interesting that the judge started 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:34.320 with asking Diddy how he was feeling that. 0:02:34.560 --> 0:02:36.880 I've heard that before. I didn't either, but it. 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:38.920 Once in a while though, cordial, how are you feeling? 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:41.680 So the judge asked Diddy, how are you feeling? 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:46.880 Comb says, I'm doing great, Thank you, your honor, and then. 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:50.080 He added my favorite part. He tells the judge you're 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:53.160 doing an excellent job. Charming as ever. 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:55.720 I did like that, Okay, I did like it. 0:02:56.720 --> 0:03:01.040 Look everybody likes to be complimented, and a judge in 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:04.040 his federal trial, I liked it. Who knows what it 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:06.440 came off. I wonder how it felt in the courtroom. 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:09.080 Was it actually a warm moment? Is it possible to 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:11.080 have a warm moment in that courtroom? 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:14.680 Possibly, but it does seem it seems like there's a 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:18.200 motive behind a defendant telling a judge that he's. 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:19.040 Doing an excellent job. 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:21.440 I mean, maybe he really felt that and thought that, 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:23.720 but it just made me laugh a little, just because 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:25.400 so much of what we're hearing about Diddy and his 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:30.400 charming and uh, just he had a way with people. 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:32.160 He knows how to make people do what he wants 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:32.560 them to do. 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:33.639 That was my thing. 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:35.960 What if this was a matter of control that yes, 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:37.680 I'm the defend that my life was on the line, 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:40.760 but I'm telling you you're doing a good job. I 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:44.160 still need my approval in this room. But what's going on? 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:47.440 Using with confidence, ouzing with confidence, as is the defense. 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:50.360 You notice our our afternoon updates. We're a lot looser. 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:52.440 We're yeah, we are a punchy. We've been up since 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:54.360 two thirty three in the morning at this point, so 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:55.520 forgive us, but we're. 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:56.040 Going to get through it. 0:03:56.120 --> 0:03:58.480 Yeah. Well, we weren't even expecting to do this episode, 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:00.920 but a lot happened this afternoon, and it was certainly 0:04:00.960 --> 0:04:04.320 worth noting, specifically because yes, did he did speak, so yes. 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:07.240 Combs also told the judge that he was not going 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:09.760 to testify. No one thought he was going to, and 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:11.880 certainly the defense has told us over the last couple 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:14.120 of days they weren't bringing any witnesses on the stand, 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:16.760 so there was zero expectation that Combs was going to 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:19.200 but we at least got to hear him formally tell 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:21.960 the judge that and why and how he came to 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:22.600 that decision. 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:24.560 Yeah, they always want them to know that they have 0:04:24.680 --> 0:04:26.159 to tell the judge, and the judge has to be 0:04:26.200 --> 0:04:29.480 satisfied because you don't want this issue on appeal. Frankly, 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:32.560 like you saying, definitely, I'm making this decision, making it 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:34.400 on my own. I do not want to testify in 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:39.520 my own defense. Look After he says that the prosecute 0:04:39.560 --> 0:04:43.160 and again this what they call summary witnesses. These are 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:45.719 not necessarily for one side or the other, but they're 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:47.840 essentially just to go through notes and to go through 0:04:47.960 --> 0:04:52.000 data for the jury and help them piece connect the dots. 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:53.280 As you say, So, this is supposed to be a 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:55.919 boring witness for a lot of ways. This dude was 0:04:55.960 --> 0:05:00.839 on from Friday through this afternoon early almost to the afternoon. 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:04.040 He turned out to be very important, And I think 0:05:04.240 --> 0:05:06.880 this ended up being a defense witness, did it not, Yes, So. 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:10.080 That's what I believe was going on. So yes, the 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:13.680 defense didn't technically call any witnesses, but this Homeland Security 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:19.039 special agent ended up being a conduit by which the 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:22.000 defense was able to present texts and videos, and so 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:24.559 they were in a way able to present its case 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:28.320 through this prosecution witness, which is not what I don't 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:30.200 think any of us expected at least. So, yes, he 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:32.040 was only supposed to be on the stand for a while. 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:34.920 He was on the stand for three days and much 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:37.080 longer today, as you pointed out, than he was expected to. 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:39.839 I believe the defense told the court they thought they'd 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:42.279 need about an hour and change with him. He was 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:44.520 up for what three hours made me more? 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:47.920 Yeah, he ended up being very important. I think those. 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:52.520 We've obviously kept up with every single day of the 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:56.040 trial actually now to think about it, but some of 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:59.640 the evidence, now, I guess some of the text messages 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:02.000 he was able to introduce, or the defense was able 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:06.520 to introduce through him, they paint a picture of almost loving, 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:11.360 normal boyfriend girlfriend relationships. They paint a picture of women 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:14.200 who are enthusiastic and we use the word earlier giddy. 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:18.240 I think some of these text messages hit harder than 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:21.039 a lot of previous ones. We've seen, and that's why 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:23.800 this witness ended up being so valuable, possibly for the event. 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:25.880 And you know, whoever goes last. 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:29.479 Maybe I'm wrong, but I would think leaves a bigger 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:31.880 impression because it's the freshest on your mind. It's the 0:06:31.920 --> 0:06:35.000 thing that's closest to the decision you're going to end 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:37.240 up coming to, just before you deliberate. This is the 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:40.359 last bit of evidence you're hearing, so it tends to 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:43.160 have a lot of weight. And yeah, we heard texts 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:48.000 where we saw loving, consensual relationships, but we also saw 0:06:48.760 --> 0:06:54.200 explicit texts that were describing sexual acts, but consensual sexual acts. 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:55.880 So those were two very important things. 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:58.400 Not only did he have a loving, softer side, but 0:06:58.480 --> 0:06:59.920 it very much seemed through these. 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:01.680 Techs that both Cassie and. 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:08.760 Jane were, as you say, enthusiastically participating in explicit sexual acts. 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:11.440 And they said so through their texts, through their own words, 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:13.800 through their own written words in real time. 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:17.120 That's powerful that they are initiating. There was not some 0:07:17.280 --> 0:07:21.120 they're not being coursed, they're not being right. They initiate 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:23.720 a lot of this stuff. And look, the defense did 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:24.400 its job. 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:26.520 This is what they're supposed to do. Put a little 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:29.000 bit of doubt. That's all you need. Reasonable doubts. 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:31.880 Yes, that what they say did the prosecution prove its 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:35.680 case beyond a reasonable doubt. Look, all we could do 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:38.880 is report on it from here and read transcripts in 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:41.360 the courtroom. I don't know, piece by piece listening to 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:45.640 every single bit of evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. Hibar Yeah. 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:48.440 One of the reporters in the courtroom pointed out this 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:52.760 text message that the defense was able to talk about 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:54.800 and present to the jury was a message from Cassie 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:58.200 even Too or Fine, who told Diddy in a text 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:02.760 in twenty seventeen, you you are my best friend, and 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:04.480 she said that there was no one that she. 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:05.640 Loves more than him. 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:10.640 That's hard to imagine that you would write a text 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:13.360 to someone like that you are my best friend in 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:15.760 a way that's even more powerful than any of this 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:18.160 sexually explicit acts, or that I love you. 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:19.040 I love you is. 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:23.520 Because that's mutual admiration. That's that's a deeper bond in 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:26.920 a way. I just thought that was really powerful. 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:29.840 You know, I hadn't thought about it the way you're 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:31.840 speaking of it now. I think a lot of people 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:34.959 can relate to what those words mean, and it's tough 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:39.400 to balance to that with this is a woman who 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:42.920 is being, according to the prosecution, almost held hostage by 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:46.720 this man because of threats of violence, because of threats 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:49.199 of taking away rent, because the threats of her career. 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:51.839 That paints a much different. 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:55.120 Picture, right, Because if someone is obsessed with someone or 0:08:55.600 --> 0:09:00.240 or sexually obsessed with someone, it might create a different 0:08:59.679 --> 0:09:06.680 in a relationship. But a best friend sounds like a mutual, consensual, loving, friendly, 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:08.600 respectable relationship. 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:10.800 It's it's different than. 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:13.920 Some of these explicit texts we see, and that for me, 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:15.280 that had a lot of. 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:15.719 Weight to it. 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:29.400 You know, we were questioning why it seems amazing. It's 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:32.800 remarkable that the defense, after all this and everything that's 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:36.760 on the line, that they would not present any witnesses, 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:39.560 but having is weird. I just noticed it now that 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:42.160 over the past several days, all we've been talking about 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:43.520 as the prosecution is putting on. 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:44.760 Their case is the defense. 0:09:44.960 --> 0:09:48.559 Ye, because on they are putting on their case, they 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:51.480 exactly have been doing that, and they've been making their 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:54.480 points and they have been making some headway and having 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:57.280 more Perry Mason and courtroom moments than we're used to. 0:09:57.920 --> 0:10:00.720 They are highlighting, and they have an highlighting over the 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:05.400 past several days, but even specifically yesterday and today, massive 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:11.960 inconsistencies by the prosecution's star witnesses. And that's with all 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:17.240 of these loving kind texts. They just fly in the 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:21.160 face of the direct testimony we heard from those two women. 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:25.480 And these texts are irrefutable. Even the prosecution had to 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:29.839 acknowledge their authenticity. These are real texts that happened from 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:30.360 these women. 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:36.079 So this is standard. They asked for an acquittal. That 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:38.200 was the other big yes moment today. It's called it 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:41.200 rule twenty nine I believe it's called a rule twenty 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:41.880 nine motion. 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:43.480 This is standard. 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:45.160 So they go through and you kind of get a 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:49.360 little insight into what their defense strategy is, what their 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:54.320 closing argument might be, and what they think a winning 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:57.120 strategy has been. But they laid out several things and 0:10:57.160 --> 0:11:01.280 a key part of it was saying that domestic violence 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:05.440 is not sex trafficking. Yep, like we are copying to Yep, 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:09.360 he absolutely put his hands on that woman. That is 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:14.320 not him being violent forcing her to have sex, which 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:17.880 apparently is a key to proving sex trafficking. 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:20.520 It has to be the violence. That is a threat, and. 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:23.520 They laid that out today as a part of the 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:26.240 motion to say, hey, the prosecution hasn't even made its case. 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:28.840 We don't even need to put a case on Absolutely. 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:33.560 They also tried to dismantle the prosecution's claims that did 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:38.679 He was participating in racketeering acts. They were trying to 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:41.400 or at least they presented to the court that there 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:44.080 was zero evidence or they failed to show evidence the 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:49.080 prosecution did that did He tried to bribe anyone surrounding 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:52.040 that hotel attack, that video that we saw, So I 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:54.960 don't know because they said there was no police involvement 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:58.960 because Cassie venture Fine didn't want any police involved, and 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:01.920 no charges were So they're trying to go through each 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:06.360 one of these charges against Didty and saying the prosecution 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:08.840 did not prove those points. 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:10.400 You just made the key you. 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:13.120 Just started with. I'm sorry, I'm racking my brain now. Yes, folks, 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:15.440 we have been up a long time. You just started 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:17.720 with the racketeering as what you were talking about it hearing. Okay, 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:20.559 this is maybe one of the biggest points that they made. 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:24.559 They prove that Diddy and. 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:29.720 Others he tried to hide the freak offs from other 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:32.560 staff members. He tried to keep it a secret from 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:34.320 some people. He tried to say, hey, wait till the 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:38.520 coast is clear before you bring mister whoever cowboy. 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:39.320 In to the room. 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:42.319 If you do that, then that means you are not 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:45.439 running a criminal enterprise in which you have fellow criminals 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:48.319 doing your bidding, because you're actually trying to keep what 0:12:48.360 --> 0:12:49.320 you're doing from them. 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:52.520 That is a big, big. 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:56.920 Point about running a criminal enterprise racketeering. He is not 0:12:57.040 --> 0:13:00.640 a mob boss in this argument from the defense, because 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:02.880 what does a mob boss do. Everybody on the lower 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:05.160 level on the streets know what bidding they're doing. They're 0:13:05.160 --> 0:13:06.720 doing the criminal bidding for the guy, and the money's 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:10.080 going right. It's not that kind of thing. They proved 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:13.640 through text messages. He was trying to not involve people. 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:18.160 What did the defence attorney say, they did Errand's make 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:20.959 travel arrangements, They had anything to do with what went 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:22.200 on with him his girlfriends, and. 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:24.280 They acknowledged like, yes, did. 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:29.080 He may have created some difficult, even abusive working conditions, 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:30.520 grueling working conditions. 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:32.160 Staffers had little sleep. 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:34.000 They had to do his bidding at all hours of 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:36.880 the night, with very little notice. But they point out 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:40.280 they all could have left, and the reason why they 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:43.120 did all of these things was not because of any 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:46.720 threat or coercion or anything illegal. It was because they 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:50.679 didn't want to lose their jobs. Much simpler, period, And 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:55.040 that actually makes sense what they were saying, at least, 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:59.200 what the defense was presenting today was kind of common sense. 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:02.800 And the dismantle is the best way. They really did 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:07.720 an effective job of trying to dismantle what the prosecution says. 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:09.040 They've already proved well in. 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:11.360 A simplistic way, in a way we can all digest. 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:14.679 That makes sense to me. Yes, I've done. Who hasn't 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:17.000 done something you didn't want to do because you want 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:17.559 to hold on. 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:18.000 To your job. 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:20.200 Correct, I'm saying it didn't have to be illegal. Hell, 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:21.960 I don't even want to go get your coffee that 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:24.240 kind of a thing. It's not my job. I'm a 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:30.760 junior partner here. Everybody has. But they put on their case. 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:32.920 They did not put on a case, but they put 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:35.720 one on as the prosecution was still having their own 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:39.440 witnesses up there. So this is what they're going into 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:43.720 now robes tomorrow. Wait, the timeline now is getting adjusted. 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:49.400 Yes, so now, because this final witness for the prosecution 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:52.920 went longer than expected, and I don't know how this 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:56.000 shifts anything too much. The judge asked the jurors to 0:14:56.040 --> 0:14:59.080 return on Thursday at nine am. But the issue now 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:02.520 is how long it's going to take and when they're 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:05.280 actually going to be able to start their closing arguments. 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:08.240 They think closing arguments now might bleed over into Friday, 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:11.160 and so now there was the suggestion that the jury 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:15.360 might not even begin deliberating until Monday, possibly late Friday, 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:18.560 but possibly they won't even start until Monday. 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:22.920 Okay, so we can probably rest assured we're not getting 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:23.800 a verdict this week. 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:28.280 I think that's highly likely and very probable. 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:31.880 I wonder how long, I don't think. I don't think. 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:36.920 I feel completely confident. The conference tomorrow for the jury 0:15:36.960 --> 0:15:39.520 instructions is or is not an open court. 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:42.560 We're not sure yet, and so obviously we're hoping it is. 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:45.960 So the jury will for sure not be present for that, obviously, 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:49.280 because they're discussing what they tell the jurors and what 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:51.600 the language is that they use for the jurors to 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:54.720 go and start their deliberation, if it's open quart or not. 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:58.080 But I don't know if reporters will be allowed, if 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:00.360 the public will be allowed into the courtroom to hear that. 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:02.400 I would think that they would be. 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:04.520 I mean it would just the whole point of a 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:07.240 court is to have it be transparent, to have it 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:09.800 be something that the public can witness and watch and 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:11.720 know that it's done ethically and correctly. 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:13.360 So it would fly in the face. 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:15.080 I mean, there are certain things obviously they don't want 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:17.080 to get out. They'll take a taken aside and the 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:20.160 judge's chambers or approach the bench that they don't want 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:24.680 people to know or hear. But in terms of getting 0:16:24.680 --> 0:16:28.080 the jurors instructions, I'm trying to remember in other court 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:30.960 cases that we have covered, whether or not we've been 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:35.280 privy to that discussion and that conversation. 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:38.960 I think so right now, I would say, yes, they're 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:42.080 not coming back until noon tomorrow, so there are, but 0:16:42.200 --> 0:16:47.000 they all are all expected to be there tomorrow now, hope. 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:48.720 I don't think robes haven't seen. 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:52.480 Anywhere either that they expect the charge conference to go 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:55.960 any longer than tomorrow. I don't think that's going to 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:58.560 bleed into Thursday, right, They have to get that right. 0:16:58.400 --> 0:16:59.840 I think they have to get that wrapped up. 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:02.520 I mean, who knows anything's possible, But I just looked 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:05.679 it up and it says generally jury instructions are not 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:08.880 open to the public during the deliberation process, but they 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:12.280 are often part of the public court record after the trial. 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:14.520 So I knew there had to be transparency. They're just 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:16.800 not going to be transparent in real time after the fact. 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:18.600 If people want to go and look and see how 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:20.879 do they come to the decision to tell the jurors X, Y, 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:22.480 and Z, that will be. 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:24.880 Made public after the fact. And so. 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:31.000 The actual deliberations, including the instructions right by the judge. 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:34.320 Obviously you know the jury deliberations are private, but that's 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:35.840 to protect the integrity of the process. 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:39.800 So the jury instructions we'll see and those have been 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:43.040 and if they say what they need four hours each 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:46.600 for closing arguments on for Thursday. 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:48.879 So even if we start at nine in the morning, 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:51.679 whoever starts first is going to go in least until 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:55.439 after lunch, and then whoever's after that is going to 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:57.520 go through the rest of the day. So then you 0:17:57.560 --> 0:17:59.840 can expect that the next day they're going to start 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:03.320 instructions to the jury. They do do this in open court, 0:18:03.560 --> 0:18:07.399 and he reads it word for word to them. They 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:08.960 get it to go back. I mean, they have the 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:11.560 instructures to go back with him a booklet, but he 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:16.440 reads every line. This takes a long time. Yeah, from 0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:17.399 my experience. 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:20.520 So will it take a full day? Will it take 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:22.080 a half a day? That? I don't know. 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:26.520 Yeah, that's anyone's guess. Something else that was We're told 0:18:26.600 --> 0:18:28.760 it's standard. But I thought it was kind of interesting 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:32.560 that the prosecution, once the defense rested today, they decided 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:35.159 not to present a rebuttal case, which they're allowed to do. 0:18:35.240 --> 0:18:38.040 They made the decision not to, So I don't know 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:40.480 how unusual that is, or if that's them trying to 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:43.760 show their own moment of confidence to reprove dark case. 0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:47.520 They had nothing to but because they didn't present much 0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:50.000 of anything. A few text messages that they acknowledge, yep, 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:51.440 that was part of the actual record. 0:18:51.480 --> 0:18:53.399 I mean, ye, I don't know if there was much to. 0:18:53.440 --> 0:18:56.880 Rebut that is that is actually fair? So I mean 0:18:56.960 --> 0:19:00.199 who knows. But yes, everything that happened today was what 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:03.359 we were expecting to happen, including the defense asking for 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:06.680 that acquittal and the judge saying that he will consider 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:08.720 making a ruling on it, but not making a ruling 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:11.520 on it. That's also very standard, very common. I don't 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:13.920 know if he ends up actually having to make a 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:16.960 ruling on it, having to declare I am denying your 0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:19.840 request for an acquittal. I'm guessing that has to happen. 0:19:20.080 --> 0:19:22.760 Perhaps tomorrow he will, but it seems strang I'm told 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:25.520 that's common for them to do that, but I was 0:19:25.960 --> 0:19:28.080 still it seemed odd to me, like, of course, he's 0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:31.960 not gonna do an acquittal. It's just they have to ask. 0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:34.919