WEBVTT - Episode 4 - On The Run 0:00:02.720 --> 0:00:07.760 Who's built to be kidnapped? No one like to be 0:00:07.880 --> 0:00:12.080 sitting there and title to the chairman thronged by plastic. 0:00:13.039 --> 0:00:30.680 Really come Curtis for St Jackson, and I'm Charlie Webster 0:00:30.960 --> 0:00:33.840 and this is surviving l Chopper. That's once you brought 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:46.240 down the drug wall. No one is built to be kidnapped. 0:00:46.640 --> 0:00:49.479 But Peter had to learn how the skilled would come 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:52.960 in handy more than once. And for j this was 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:56.080 just the beginning of his path of becoming a master negotiating. 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:02.200 I got your brother for mistreat or anything. As long 0:01:02.200 --> 0:01:05.080 as you corporate, I need to hundre kids. What makes 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:07.440 you think that I won't be able to give you KOs? 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:20.120 That's for you don't figure out. They said, you're a 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:22.920 little bit late. If you would have called me yesterday, 0:01:23.800 --> 0:01:25.520 I would have been able to give you three kilos. 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:31.920 And he's like, I said, I give the gun. It 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:34.399 doesn't work. If you know anything about my business, and 0:01:34.440 --> 0:01:37.600 you know that no one pays cash. So but if 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:39.920 you want to wait a couple of weeks, I got you. 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:42.800 I don't have a couple of weeks. Your brothers didn't 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:48.400 have a couple of weeks. He said, how many kids 0:01:48.520 --> 0:01:50.040 you just I don't even want to lie to you. 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:52.920 I'll make sure I'll give you whatever I got that 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:58.200 we'll call you back in twenty minutes. And I got 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:08.959 off the phone hit me. It sounded like, Saul hold that. 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:10.800 I know the best person is gonna tell me. So 0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:14.000 I have a family member that comes from that group 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:18.880 of people. So I called it. I said, hey, they 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:23.000 cannot be Let me ask you a question. What do 0:02:23.080 --> 0:02:28.880 you know about Saul? Do you think it's whole? Yeah, 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:32.320 that didn't That's who it is because that's what he does. 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:46.560 He robbed and can't ask people for money. Now everyone's around, 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:48.960 they're like, what they say? What they say? There's like 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:51.680 twenty five of us literally in the middle of the street. 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:54.360 We're comfortable there, you know, in the West Soup of Chicago. 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:59.880 We're in front of Oprah studios. I said to everybody 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:05.079 they want I told him that they had that, And 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:08.200 so listen, guys, you guys are the people that are 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:12.200 most important. You know what I mean. Let's kind of 0:03:12.240 --> 0:03:16.079 take a boat. Mm hmm. I could call the bet 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:20.600 right now, save my brother mm hm. But we're can 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:24.040 get and diet. I was accepted in twenty years right, then, 0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:31.360 or I could pay the three kids they are asking before, 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:38.680 But I'm gonna have to make that money up. What 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:41.320 do you think everybody says this is better to have 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:45.119 kids with the way except for a couple of good 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:48.280 duodes that were ridistance that they want to like call 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:51.960 the beds, let's go to jail. True, seriously, those dudes 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:55.920 are still with me to the Yeah, you're right now 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:59.480 to pick the money up. It was a reality that 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:02.360 the other day it was about a business. It was 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:06.600 about money, and no one's ever gonna care, which is 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:09.040 true because that's the fact for me as well and 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:11.440 for you as well. We could be all good, but 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:14.400 if it comes to your life and you're like sorry, 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:20.320 rest later. So it was a lesson learns. They don't 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:24.880 know this, but I could pay that money five times. 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:28.359 Even imagine that we have to hide that we have 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:31.159 money like that to our own people because the minute 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:33.280 they think they have money, they think, well then I 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:36.640 like him, but he could afford this loss. That's the 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:42.400 difference between him still be and them getting killed. And 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:45.000 people that were with me in close associates that worked 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:49.680 for us, they're like, bro, get your brother back, get 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:51.920 your brother back, forget this as if we're gonna get 0:04:51.920 --> 0:04:53.279 in that. He said, I don't care, We're all getting 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:58.000 that whatever. Get your brother back. Man. That meant a 0:04:58.000 --> 0:05:11.240 lot to me. I was thinking that I might not 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:15.000 make it out, like man, this is crazy, you know, 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:18.120 thinking who it could be of course, you know, and 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:26.279 thinking about what would I do, and different emotions, you know, anger, sad, 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:37.720 it's you fear. To sit there like that with that 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:41.720 kind of silence and to be dealing with that alone 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:45.720 was hard, you know. Of course, those little demons that 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:58.880 come back, like reliving a nightmare gas again again. Who 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:01.120 built for that? Who is bill? To have something like 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:07.960 that happened to me think you're gonna die, not just 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:10.200 get like shot at or something. But I really had that, 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:14.599 you know, days of thinking you might die because they're 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:16.720 gonna my brothers will pay the money and tell me 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:22.440 any of this. You know, it was a turn at 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:24.520 that moment. It was like the worst thing ever in 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:30.479 the world. Did they do anything to you during that time? No, 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:32.960 they didn't. Actually, I think the worst thing they did 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:36.560 was not say nothing for some reason, like I don't 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:38.040 know what they have in common, but they just the 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:41.280 silence of not saying nothing, like like if they started 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:43.039 talking to me or something, you're telling me they're gonna 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:45.240 come me, it might be a little better than just 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:48.679 quiet sitting on some plastic all there. You know, somes 0:06:48.800 --> 0:06:54.240 like torture. Yeah, Like I always think that the apprehensiveness 0:06:54.360 --> 0:07:00.200 and they're not knowing is far worst. Sometimes. How did 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:04.960 that last? Of all three days? It was today? And 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:07.200 realize that you see stuff in the movies, it's don't 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:09.760 like that, you know what I mean? This is my life. 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:14.400 This is something I'm living through. These people are gonna 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:16.840 kill me for the money. And bring it back to 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:20.520 the fact that how serious this life we're living wasn't 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:23.320 And I remember thinking about my brother and I was thinking, like, man, 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:26.360 was he taking everything serious when he you know, like 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:28.520 we played with our lives, so whether we're gambling all 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:30.800 the time, it's like we take it too lightly. Now 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:32.800 I'm in the situation to that. How do I get out? 0:07:40.640 --> 0:07:47.680 M hm hm, there goes my phone. That's the kidnap person. 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:56.559 I said, I have any one kilos and three? He said, 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:00.640 all right, make if I had a thousand and let's go. 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:04.400 Every ready, body the morning? All right, I have already 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:11.640 been the morning. We spent the night at the house, 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:16.560 all of us. We didn't, no one go home. I 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:20.240 went out to my brother's room and you know the bed, 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:26.880 you know it's there. It still looks the same. I 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:30.480 was tired, so I laid down in his bed. I 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:32.720 felt like religious, But what I'm gonna ask God, like 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:36.400 to save me from this problem that keep putting myself in. 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:41.400 I remember getting my knees and praying, and I said, 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:43.439 I gave my brother back. I promised I'll change my life. 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:53.520 That's why back. And that's what I said. I gusually 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:55.920 had a moment and I was just thinking about like us, 0:08:56.000 --> 0:09:00.199 like I can't see what I like when I'm my brother. Yea. 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:16.040 By this time, I'm I don't know, laying on the floor. 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:18.960 And all day I was filthy again and just filthy. 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:23.080 Just remember them coming and telling me, come on, let's go. 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:33.719 Please let them be taking me home. Coming back in 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:45.199 the van. He has like a bottle of some kind 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:53.880 of alcohol cleanser. He starts springing me down, bringing the handcuff, sounds, 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:58.360 spraying everything he touched on me. I could see he 0:09:58.400 --> 0:10:01.240 has clothes on. Thank It made me worry, like, dude, 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:04.560 where's he taking? No, I don't know I could smell 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:06.160 the alcohol too, that I could smell a cup from 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:09.080 the Hey's sprained on me. Did you say that they 0:10:09.120 --> 0:10:11.680 might be taking you say, kill me? Yeah, I'm thinking 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:19.600 like he's cleaning the handcuffs off, any evidence. They drive 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:21.760 me for like an hour at least it was a 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:31.120 long hour. I could tell we're in traffic. I hear 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:39.240 the van stop. He pulls me off the back of 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:45.240 the van. He puts handcuff keys in my shoe. Can 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:49.800 you tell me those are the handcuff keys. Don't touch, 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:58.560 don't move, don't turn around. Count a hundred and my 0:10:58.640 --> 0:11:03.120 eyes are still covered. It's sunny. It's like my eyes 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:08.000 are hurting because of you daylight. I take too hands off. 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:09.840 I try to see the dam, but he was gone 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:12.440 like that fast. He was gone. And look, I could 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:15.400 see a neighbor like I'm in the alley on the 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:17.440 floor and I'm doing I can see that there's a 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:20.800 man looking. He's looking like what the hell is going on? 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:27.120 And I'm trying to take the handcuffs off. And I 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:29.520 grab the handcuff key and I'm trying to take the 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:32.160 handcuffs off. I take one off, and then I'm trying 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:34.280 to walk away so he doesn't see me, but he's like, look, 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:38.840 I can see him picking like and then I just, 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:41.679 you know, stop and take you the handcuff key off 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:44.599 and throwing him away. I threw everything away, like the 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:46.439 last thing one is in times of pull up, and 0:11:46.480 --> 0:11:52.760 him got a handcuffed, you know, and looking around like 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:55.160 where am I will before I jump out? I tell 0:11:55.240 --> 0:11:57.000 him when he's putting me on the van. I remember 0:11:57.040 --> 0:12:00.560 telling him, look, you got my phones. I said, do 0:12:00.640 --> 0:12:03.200 me a favor. I need one phone for me. And 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:05.360 I had like the world smartest phone at the time. 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:08.040 It was like a pink little phone. I used to 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:11.040 use fash and and I didn't want to lose my 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:14.160 communication with her again, like because sometimes really difficult to 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:20.880 get older, and like I need that phone. He actually 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:23.480 brought it gave it to me. I used that phone 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:32.760 to call my brother. I didn't know where I was at. 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:34.959 I was like, I'm in the suburbs somewhere. I started 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:37.120 walking around. I could look at the street and I 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:39.520 remember like, okay, I kind of see the big street, 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:40.599 and once I get to a picture, I'm like, I 0:12:40.679 --> 0:12:42.600 know where I'm at. I was like in the suburbs, 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:47.880 off of up like first Avenue in Roosevelt Road, you know, 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:51.719 SA Chicago, and I'm I called Jane. Look I'm on 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:57.839 Roosevelt and like ninth Avenue and he's like, don't worry, 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:04.520 I'm down the black ya he said, someone come get me. 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:07.400 And it was just like for such a relief to 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:16.400 be free from that. You know, what do it feel 0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:19.600 like when they took you out of the van and 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:22.120 you knew they were going to release you and not 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:24.400 kill you, and that I was thinking, my brother, thinking 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:26.120 God like thinking out of that, I'm getting out of 0:13:26.120 --> 0:13:28.439 this one day. How much it costed me? Of course, 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:32.560 and it changed me. That moment changed me to be 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:40.680 living through that changed me. It changed me, but not 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:46.880 made me change my life side. It changed it me inside. 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:52.720 You know what way I felt that vulnerability, like wow, man, 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:56.560 this is you know, to be hand called on the van, 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:01.480 like man, this is what you get for being the man. 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:03.600 You guys won't be the man. It comes on the cost. 0:14:08.240 --> 0:14:10.720 And to be taken like that, being pushed around like that, 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:17.360 it was like horrible, I'm being helped captive, my life 0:14:17.400 --> 0:14:19.720 on the line, and I don't know how long they're 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:21.400 gonna keep me here. I don't know if they're ever 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:28.920 gonna let me go alive. That was real, Like, that 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:31.960 was a kind of situation that we put ourselves in. 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:47.960 It's funny how we looked. I felt the same way 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:50.160 when I got knaped again when I went to prison. 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:54.560 Like those feelings, I could tell you they were like 0:14:55.320 --> 0:15:00.320 identical to what I felt when we were in prison. Yeah, 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:21.560 h didn't change anything you then did from then on, 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:28.200 I did. I did how I was actually more careful. 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:30.480 But it didn't stop you from doing anything. It just 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:34.840 made me more careful. Yeah, I couldn't help. But wonder 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:37.800 if the twins were attempted to get revenge on kidnappers, 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:42.520 So will did you ever end up doing anything? I'm 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:46.200 not a revengeful person. I don't carry heat. I'm not 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:50.160 gonna waste my time in heading to someone. But he 0:15:50.320 --> 0:16:04.480 let the lot start HM. With Pete being a little 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:08.080 more careful, Ja and Val felt safe enough to get married. 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:12.080 They honeymooned in Mexico in the small and sleepy country 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:16.280 town of halper Zacatecas, known for its colorful mudbrick houses 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:20.120 and cobbled stone streets. This is where the Twins family 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:24.080 is actually originally from, the boy's father and wants a 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:26.960 man in America was still living there as a fugitive, 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:31.040 and their older brother Armando, now out of jail, had 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:36.880 moved to Mexico to be with him. Since the minute 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:40.720 we got there, well, it was the happiest I've ever 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:48.960 seen her. One night and we're laying in bed, I'm 0:16:49.000 --> 0:16:57.240 sleeping and she wakes up screaming hysterically crying, comes up 0:16:57.280 --> 0:17:00.520 to bed and she's crying it's what I mean. And 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:03.360 I'm like, what you know, what happened? Like, what's wrong? Like? 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:07.800 And she's like, We're gonna go to jail for the 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:13.680 rest of your life. And I was like, I am 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:16.159 like like I'm shocked, Like i'ma can I go to 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:18.920 jail for the rest of your life? I only want 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:21.720 one thing, honestly, I want to ask you for one thing. 0:17:23.480 --> 0:17:25.920 She said, just say yes to me. Whenever I asked 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:30.960 you for to say yes. And I'm like, Okay, let's 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:35.879 live here. I will never want to go back. I 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:43.440 was shocked, and it's a please, I'll do anything as 0:17:43.480 --> 0:17:48.720 long as you stay here. And I said, all right, 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:55.280 I'll stay here with Jane val Happily in Mexico. Pete 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:57.800 was the only one left in Chicago, and he was 0:17:57.840 --> 0:18:04.680 busy looking after the business. M h February nine thousand four. 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:08.560 Hear my phone start ringing, ringing, the ring. I think 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:10.879 that that's act like every drug day a nightmare to 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:13.960 have like twenty five minutes calls from a number right now, 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:25.920 what's going on? Remember and saying my phone and there's 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:30.119 my sister and she's like, b there in the houses, 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:33.840 everyone's house feather, they're looking for you, and they're looking 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:36.640 for JA. Don't go home, check this, just let the businesses. 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:45.520 They're everywhere, and I remember that panic hit. I'm calling, 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:48.560 you know, I'm calling checking everyone to see everyone's in pain. 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:55.679 I'm calling my attorney and yeah, they said it's kicking, 0:18:55.800 --> 0:18:58.000 you know. They go to ten different places looking for 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:02.399 my brother and I have his assist and there's a 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:04.719 word out for our arrest. There's an depending and Diamond 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:09.400 out of Milwaukee. Their search wards. I'm like, yeah, that's 0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:16.480 not good. And I'm sending that thing I wouldn't gonna do, 0:19:17.960 --> 0:19:24.359 and just figuring out what's next. The first thing I 0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:26.639 had to do is get our money together. I started 0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:31.479 like just picking up, you know, money and arranging night 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:34.520 the drugs to be distributed, and and trying to keep 0:19:34.600 --> 0:19:36.720 all my workers in order because I'm not sure what's 0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:39.639 gonna happen. And once I get the money together and 0:19:39.720 --> 0:19:44.240 I put the money away and I gotta leave, I 0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:51.040 gotta making a week to Mexico. I crossed the linings 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:53.320 into Indiana and I go back on brand new Mini Round. 0:19:53.359 --> 0:19:54.960 I just give him the cats, like I don't want 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:58.719 that back. And I had my friend's mom, listen, are 0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:02.000 you interested? Would you like the new van? It's rand near, 0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:03.800 like it's totally loaded, and then give you drive me 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:08.119 to Texas. I'll give it to you. Sure they're not understanding, 0:20:08.160 --> 0:20:18.520 like what okay? So we drive from Chicago to Texas, Florio. 0:20:19.520 --> 0:20:22.840 I remember thinking like how many times did I take 0:20:22.920 --> 0:20:25.800 this trip? And now I'm going to Mexico this time 0:20:26.119 --> 0:20:28.600 with the nervous thing instead of coming back Chicago with 0:20:28.600 --> 0:20:31.280 the nervous pining, I'm leaving Chicago with the nervous pining. 0:20:34.880 --> 0:20:37.560 I'm seeing Stay Troopers everywhere. I'm like, I guess it's 0:20:37.600 --> 0:20:40.200 not good, Like I'm nervous. I throw my ideas around. 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:47.600 I have no ideas on me. My friend and his 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:50.720 mom's driving us. And then he's driving as well, and 0:20:50.720 --> 0:20:53.560 then I come to find out that, yeah, my license suspended. 0:20:55.119 --> 0:21:01.280 Bro do not getting that driversy ever again. Ye. So 0:21:01.359 --> 0:21:03.600 we drive to San Antonio where his family, let's say. 0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:07.000 He's like, no, I'm just going about Pops drivels across 0:21:07.000 --> 0:21:10.679 the border. He always over there anyway. My Dad's like, okay, 0:21:10.680 --> 0:21:13.360 taking the sweet time, and I'm already feeling so anxious, 0:21:13.359 --> 0:21:15.399 like please, let's just get on here. I'm thinking like 0:21:15.800 --> 0:21:20.240 they can combine us. He's like that, let's take my 0:21:20.320 --> 0:21:27.680 chuck the chucks. I'm halfwy like breaking down and let's 0:21:27.680 --> 0:21:30.960 see like trumping off and putting it carbureted loidor and 0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:33.120 fill in the Ohio, I'm not, we don't have time 0:21:33.160 --> 0:21:44.119 for this. It was just like so stressful for me 0:21:44.240 --> 0:21:50.840 just to get to the border. I remember calling my 0:21:50.840 --> 0:21:56.000 brother to him, look, I'm gonna be there. We were 0:21:56.040 --> 0:22:01.000 crossing the boarding already had some noon like Friday or something, 0:22:02.119 --> 0:22:05.439 and just feeling some really to have crossed that border. 0:22:05.880 --> 0:22:11.760 It's to Mexico. We used to have this spot where 0:22:11.760 --> 0:22:14.840 we like the nicest hotel and novel Ardo was like 0:22:14.880 --> 0:22:19.359 the Hilton Guardien or something where we would stay, you know, 0:22:19.400 --> 0:22:23.720 all the time I remember till you just picked me 0:22:23.800 --> 0:22:30.400 up there A couple of hours later, you know, everyone comes. 0:22:30.480 --> 0:22:33.480 It's a vow jay, my brother, Mombo and his wife, 0:22:35.280 --> 0:22:38.800 they can pick me out. We're like, I'm just so 0:22:38.880 --> 0:22:41.080 happy to see so then like, okay, we made it out. 0:22:41.760 --> 0:22:43.639 You know, I'm trying to, you know, catch my brother 0:22:44.000 --> 0:22:48.439 everything that I did, and everything was going on, just 0:22:48.520 --> 0:22:50.399 thinking that what was next. You know, it was a 0:22:50.560 --> 0:22:56.000 mess driving back home, just so much to catch up 0:22:56.000 --> 0:22:58.960 on them, taking like we're gonna to make our lives there. 0:22:59.320 --> 0:23:02.520 Driving back, you mean, back home to Mexico, like tot 0:23:02.600 --> 0:23:15.439 second home. We drove to a border and when we 0:23:15.480 --> 0:23:18.040 got to see Peter, the first thing he did was 0:23:18.160 --> 0:23:21.800 kissed the floor. He said, I just feel like a 0:23:21.960 --> 0:23:28.199 low was lifted up my shoulders and we just started driving. 0:23:29.280 --> 0:23:32.680 So here we are mean about Peter. No, the brother, 0:23:32.800 --> 0:23:38.080 and my sister all it did really good. Of course, 0:23:38.119 --> 0:23:41.560 things had dramatically changed since we were all together. That 0:23:41.600 --> 0:23:46.600 was the first time we were out together again. The 0:23:46.680 --> 0:23:49.520 intensity of those last days, and I'm looking for my 0:23:49.560 --> 0:23:51.919 brother to help me, like, give me what do you 0:23:51.960 --> 0:23:55.879 think my brother was a honeymoon and can't cool And 0:23:55.920 --> 0:23:58.080 I'm like bro, Yeah, you gotta get the hell out 0:23:58.080 --> 0:24:00.280 of home. My god, you gotta get this. I had 0:24:00.320 --> 0:24:03.800 to go innocent. We'll just say it out loud. My 0:24:03.840 --> 0:24:06.600 brother Teams said every time he was going to something, 0:24:06.600 --> 0:24:08.159 I was like having Finally, how did you say that? 0:24:08.320 --> 0:24:13.639 You don't forget? Let's recording this podcast was the first 0:24:13.640 --> 0:24:15.760 time the brothers have been in the same room together 0:24:16.080 --> 0:24:20.000 for well at least a decade, so sometimes there was 0:24:20.040 --> 0:24:25.120 a bit of unresolved tension in the room. Going back 0:24:25.160 --> 0:24:28.560 to Mexico, there was one person who hadn't joined them yet, 0:24:28.920 --> 0:24:32.520 Pete's love Viv, who followed her heart across the border. 0:24:33.040 --> 0:24:35.560 She got on the next plane out to Chicago to 0:24:35.640 --> 0:24:38.680 join the rest of the family. At first, there was 0:24:38.720 --> 0:24:41.840 a bit of uncertainty around what would happen to the business, 0:24:44.520 --> 0:24:45.960 and little by little I was going to kind of 0:24:46.080 --> 0:24:50.159 feed out and stop doing that like step son drugs 0:24:50.280 --> 0:25:14.960 and did the opposite happen? M hm. So my brother Peter, 0:25:15.359 --> 0:25:19.560 because we couldn't trust many people, he would just communicate 0:25:19.600 --> 0:25:21.800 with me. So I'm the one talking to everyone on 0:25:21.840 --> 0:25:23.960 the phone say I went, you know, I'm getting closed. 0:25:23.960 --> 0:25:30.639 I'm calling everybody to meet him. Are constantly on the 0:25:30.640 --> 0:25:34.240 phone because we knew that we mean him could communicate 0:25:34.280 --> 0:25:39.159 in a safe way. I'm kind of doing all the 0:25:39.240 --> 0:25:41.119 arrangements and I'm the one kind of talking to the 0:25:41.760 --> 0:25:44.280 to our workers back home that everything is kind of 0:25:44.280 --> 0:25:48.199 going through me and my brother had like our our 0:25:48.240 --> 0:25:51.800 way of community to exchangeing numbers, like we could, you know, 0:25:51.800 --> 0:25:54.040 we had a little cold to be like okay, and 0:25:54.080 --> 0:25:57.080 if we felt comfortable, we could call each other. I 0:25:57.160 --> 0:25:59.560 write this cold down and he'll give me the sequence 0:25:59.600 --> 0:26:01.720 of the number that could like unlock on my side 0:26:02.119 --> 0:26:03.840 and I'll be like, okay, I know what number he has, 0:26:04.520 --> 0:26:06.199 you know, so we can come to I don't care 0:26:06.200 --> 0:26:07.840 of the films are listening to that. Yeah. By the 0:26:07.880 --> 0:26:16.359 time they figured this out, what we had another phone. 0:26:21.080 --> 0:26:25.480 We start to promote some of our workers so it's 0:26:25.520 --> 0:26:27.720 not we're not there no more. We need eideneers. So 0:26:27.960 --> 0:26:30.800 our right hand man, who was with us for the beginning, 0:26:30.880 --> 0:26:36.480 we promoted him, You're gonna oversee everything because you're there 0:26:36.480 --> 0:26:39.440 in Chicago. We're gonna give you a percentage, and we're 0:26:39.440 --> 0:26:42.280 gonna give you the ability to start picking up your 0:26:42.280 --> 0:26:48.560 own customers. And now you could actually make money. And 0:26:48.920 --> 0:26:51.320 you gotta oversee everything, and he you know, he knew 0:26:51.359 --> 0:26:54.119 the business were just forever. So for sure, we just 0:26:54.119 --> 0:26:57.399 started promoting different you know, people to take a bigger 0:26:57.440 --> 0:26:59.480 tests that we're gonna gonna be able to be there. 0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:03.000 And it wasn't planning. It kind of developed as you 0:27:03.080 --> 0:27:07.400 needed it. There was no drug Enterprise for Dummies book 0:27:07.440 --> 0:27:11.119 out there, even though we write one. We should know, 0:27:11.359 --> 0:27:15.760 I'm not promoting that, like I'm not from This was 0:27:15.920 --> 0:27:18.320 what we feel is gonna work beast And as we 0:27:18.320 --> 0:27:21.680 went along, we adjusted. We you know, we learned the 0:27:21.720 --> 0:27:24.440 hard way. We're being mistakes and we were learned from them. 0:27:24.440 --> 0:27:29.000 And we kept calling we're twenty two years old. You know, 0:27:29.240 --> 0:27:32.480 we're twenty two years old. We're on the run. Don't 0:27:32.520 --> 0:27:35.000 forget I'm the run. Is is is a pretty nice 0:27:35.040 --> 0:27:48.440 on the run, if that makes any sense. Once we 0:27:48.520 --> 0:27:53.120 got to me and I felt like freeing to leave, 0:27:53.240 --> 0:27:56.080 Americans had like man like how they come down here 0:27:56.080 --> 0:27:58.040 and gives it's gonna be a wild So we have 0:27:58.200 --> 0:28:01.480 some freedom and you know, feel a little bit free 0:28:01.520 --> 0:28:04.480 in times he's and not only that that when the 0:28:04.600 --> 0:28:07.639 Marshall and DA came like they didn't affect my business. 0:28:07.840 --> 0:28:10.520 They had an indicting, but that's it, Like, you know, 0:28:10.600 --> 0:28:12.440 my crew still that they didn't golden and I felt 0:28:12.440 --> 0:28:16.920 like I was lost up ahead of them, you know. Yeah, 0:28:16.920 --> 0:28:19.480 it was streets. It was liberating, like okay, now I 0:28:19.480 --> 0:28:22.040 don't have worry about that, and I would make yourself 0:28:22.040 --> 0:28:28.639 comfortable when we got there. They had Bob poppanys and 0:28:28.720 --> 0:28:33.600 we had about cars. I remember my dad's advice at 0:28:33.600 --> 0:28:35.400 our all home to go to the leat our own 0:28:35.400 --> 0:28:38.120 be apples to drive and we're able to live our 0:28:38.760 --> 0:28:42.200 like I don't know such sweet like moments in our lives, 0:28:42.200 --> 0:28:44.400 our memories, you know, to you to get as a 0:28:44.440 --> 0:28:47.000 family and like really thank my wife and I you 0:28:47.080 --> 0:28:51.280 know later in Ja to really have that foundation of 0:28:51.280 --> 0:29:00.240 our apart little from each other. Mm hmm, son sense 0:29:00.320 --> 0:29:02.360 you know, it rains and the power of go out, 0:29:04.200 --> 0:29:08.080 and I still remember like vow making the best time 0:29:08.240 --> 0:29:10.360 of it, like it's the time we're born. No, we're 0:29:10.360 --> 0:29:12.440 gonna put your raids and we're not used to that. 0:29:14.160 --> 0:29:17.120 Let's push you raid, guys. It's just a family gathering 0:29:17.240 --> 0:29:18.959 and we'll just make the best out of it, like 0:29:19.520 --> 0:29:22.000 just doing the simplest things. And I don't think that 0:29:22.080 --> 0:29:25.160 me and my brother ever had that like as a family, 0:29:25.200 --> 0:29:27.960 and our family was always more like loving but serious book, 0:29:28.480 --> 0:29:31.440 you know, And I share this with You're like, I 0:29:31.520 --> 0:29:37.680 never played cards, I never played board games. I didn't 0:29:37.680 --> 0:29:41.560 play it against I didn't know what chess was. I 0:29:41.600 --> 0:29:48.440