1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: Who's built to be kidnapped? No one like to be 2 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 1: sitting there and title to the chairman thronged by plastic. 3 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: Really come Curtis for St Jackson, and I'm Charlie Webster 4 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,840 Speaker 1: and this is surviving l Chopper. That's once you brought 5 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 1: down the drug wall. No one is built to be kidnapped. 6 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: But Peter had to learn how the skilled would come 7 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: in handy more than once. And for j this was 8 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: just the beginning of his path of becoming a master negotiating. 9 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: I got your brother for mistreat or anything. As long 10 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: as you corporate, I need to hundre kids. What makes 11 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: you think that I won't be able to give you KOs? 12 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: That's for you don't figure out. They said, you're a 13 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: little bit late. If you would have called me yesterday, 14 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: I would have been able to give you three kilos. 15 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: And he's like, I said, I give the gun. It 16 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 1: doesn't work. If you know anything about my business, and 17 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: you know that no one pays cash. So but if 18 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: you want to wait a couple of weeks, I got you. 19 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: I don't have a couple of weeks. Your brothers didn't 20 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: have a couple of weeks. He said, how many kids 21 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: you just I don't even want to lie to you. 22 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: I'll make sure I'll give you whatever I got that 23 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: we'll call you back in twenty minutes. And I got 24 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:08,959 Speaker 1: off the phone hit me. It sounded like, Saul hold that. 25 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 1: I know the best person is gonna tell me. So 26 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: I have a family member that comes from that group 27 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: of people. So I called it. I said, hey, they 28 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: cannot be Let me ask you a question. What do 29 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: you know about Saul? Do you think it's whole? Yeah, 30 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: that didn't That's who it is because that's what he does. 31 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: He robbed and can't ask people for money. Now everyone's around, 32 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: they're like, what they say? What they say? There's like 33 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: twenty five of us literally in the middle of the street. 34 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 1: We're comfortable there, you know, in the West Soup of Chicago. 35 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: We're in front of Oprah studios. I said to everybody 36 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 1: they want I told him that they had that, And 37 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: so listen, guys, you guys are the people that are 38 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: most important. You know what I mean. Let's kind of 39 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 1: take a boat. Mm hmm. I could call the bet 40 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: right now, save my brother mm hm. But we're can 41 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: get and diet. I was accepted in twenty years right, then, 42 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 1: or I could pay the three kids they are asking before, 43 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: But I'm gonna have to make that money up. What 44 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: do you think everybody says this is better to have 45 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:45,119 Speaker 1: kids with the way except for a couple of good 46 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: duodes that were ridistance that they want to like call 47 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: the beds, let's go to jail. True, seriously, those dudes 48 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: are still with me to the Yeah, you're right now 49 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: to pick the money up. It was a reality that 50 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: the other day it was about a business. It was 51 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: about money, and no one's ever gonna care, which is 52 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: true because that's the fact for me as well and 53 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: for you as well. We could be all good, but 54 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: if it comes to your life and you're like sorry, 55 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: rest later. So it was a lesson learns. They don't 56 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: know this, but I could pay that money five times. 57 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:28,359 Speaker 1: Even imagine that we have to hide that we have 58 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 1: money like that to our own people because the minute 59 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 1: they think they have money, they think, well then I 60 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: like him, but he could afford this loss. That's the 61 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: difference between him still be and them getting killed. And 62 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: people that were with me in close associates that worked 63 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: for us, they're like, bro, get your brother back, get 64 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: your brother back, forget this as if we're gonna get 65 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 1: in that. He said, I don't care, We're all getting 66 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: that whatever. Get your brother back. Man. That meant a 67 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: lot to me. I was thinking that I might not 68 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: make it out, like man, this is crazy, you know, 69 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: thinking who it could be of course, you know, and 70 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: thinking about what would I do, and different emotions, you know, anger, sad, 71 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 1: it's you fear. To sit there like that with that 72 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 1: kind of silence and to be dealing with that alone 73 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 1: was hard, you know. Of course, those little demons that 74 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: come back, like reliving a nightmare gas again again. Who 75 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: built for that? Who is bill? To have something like 76 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: that happened to me think you're gonna die, not just 77 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: get like shot at or something. But I really had that, 78 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 1: you know, days of thinking you might die because they're 79 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 1: gonna my brothers will pay the money and tell me 80 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: any of this. You know, it was a turn at 81 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: that moment. It was like the worst thing ever in 82 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 1: the world. Did they do anything to you during that time? No, 83 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: they didn't. Actually, I think the worst thing they did 84 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: was not say nothing for some reason, like I don't 85 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 1: know what they have in common, but they just the 86 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 1: silence of not saying nothing, like like if they started 87 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 1: talking to me or something, you're telling me they're gonna 88 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: come me, it might be a little better than just 89 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:48,679 Speaker 1: quiet sitting on some plastic all there. You know, somes 90 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: like torture. Yeah, Like I always think that the apprehensiveness 91 00:06:54,360 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: and they're not knowing is far worst. Sometimes. How did 92 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: that last? Of all three days? It was today? And 93 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: realize that you see stuff in the movies, it's don't 94 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: like that, you know what I mean? This is my life. 95 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: This is something I'm living through. These people are gonna 96 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: kill me for the money. And bring it back to 97 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: the fact that how serious this life we're living wasn't 98 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: And I remember thinking about my brother and I was thinking, like, man, 99 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: was he taking everything serious when he you know, like 100 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: we played with our lives, so whether we're gambling all 101 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: the time, it's like we take it too lightly. Now 102 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: I'm in the situation to that. How do I get out? 103 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: M hm hm, there goes my phone. That's the kidnap person. 104 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:56,559 Speaker 1: I said, I have any one kilos and three? He said, 105 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: all right, make if I had a thousand and let's go. 106 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: Every ready, body the morning? All right, I have already 107 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: been the morning. We spent the night at the house, 108 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: all of us. We didn't, no one go home. I 109 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: went out to my brother's room and you know the bed, 110 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: you know it's there. It still looks the same. I 111 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: was tired, so I laid down in his bed. I 112 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: felt like religious, But what I'm gonna ask God, like 113 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: to save me from this problem that keep putting myself in. 114 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: I remember getting my knees and praying, and I said, 115 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 1: I gave my brother back. I promised I'll change my life. 116 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 1: That's why back. And that's what I said. I gusually 117 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: had a moment and I was just thinking about like us, 118 00:08:56,000 --> 00:09:00,199 Speaker 1: like I can't see what I like when I'm my brother. Yea. 119 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: By this time, I'm I don't know, laying on the floor. 120 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 1: And all day I was filthy again and just filthy. 121 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: Just remember them coming and telling me, come on, let's go. 122 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:33,719 Speaker 1: Please let them be taking me home. Coming back in 123 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:45,199 Speaker 1: the van. He has like a bottle of some kind 124 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: of alcohol cleanser. He starts springing me down, bringing the handcuff, sounds, 125 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: spraying everything he touched on me. I could see he 126 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: has clothes on. Thank It made me worry, like, dude, 127 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: where's he taking? No, I don't know I could smell 128 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: the alcohol too, that I could smell a cup from 129 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 1: the Hey's sprained on me. Did you say that they 130 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 1: might be taking you say, kill me? Yeah, I'm thinking 131 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: like he's cleaning the handcuffs off, any evidence. They drive 132 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: me for like an hour at least it was a 133 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: long hour. I could tell we're in traffic. I hear 134 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: the van stop. He pulls me off the back of 135 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: the van. He puts handcuff keys in my shoe. Can 136 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: you tell me those are the handcuff keys. Don't touch, 137 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 1: don't move, don't turn around. Count a hundred and my 138 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: eyes are still covered. It's sunny. It's like my eyes 139 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: are hurting because of you daylight. I take too hands off. 140 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 1: I try to see the dam, but he was gone 141 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 1: like that fast. He was gone. And look, I could 142 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: see a neighbor like I'm in the alley on the 143 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 1: floor and I'm doing I can see that there's a 144 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: man looking. He's looking like what the hell is going on? 145 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: And I'm trying to take the handcuffs off. And I 146 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: grab the handcuff key and I'm trying to take the 147 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: handcuffs off. I take one off, and then I'm trying 148 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: to walk away so he doesn't see me, but he's like, look, 149 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: I can see him picking like and then I just, 150 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:41,679 Speaker 1: you know, stop and take you the handcuff key off 151 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,599 Speaker 1: and throwing him away. I threw everything away, like the 152 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:46,439 Speaker 1: last thing one is in times of pull up, and 153 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: him got a handcuffed, you know, and looking around like 154 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: where am I will before I jump out? I tell 155 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: him when he's putting me on the van. I remember 156 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 1: telling him, look, you got my phones. I said, do 157 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 1: me a favor. I need one phone for me. And 158 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: I had like the world smartest phone at the time. 159 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: It was like a pink little phone. I used to 160 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 1: use fash and and I didn't want to lose my 161 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: communication with her again, like because sometimes really difficult to 162 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: get older, and like I need that phone. He actually 163 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: brought it gave it to me. I used that phone 164 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: to call my brother. I didn't know where I was at. 165 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:34,959 Speaker 1: I was like, I'm in the suburbs somewhere. I started 166 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: walking around. I could look at the street and I 167 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: remember like, okay, I kind of see the big street, 168 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:40,599 Speaker 1: and once I get to a picture, I'm like, I 169 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: know where I'm at. I was like in the suburbs, 170 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: off of up like first Avenue in Roosevelt Road, you know, 171 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,719 Speaker 1: SA Chicago, and I'm I called Jane. Look I'm on 172 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:57,839 Speaker 1: Roosevelt and like ninth Avenue and he's like, don't worry, 173 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: I'm down the black ya he said, someone come get me. 174 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: And it was just like for such a relief to 175 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: be free from that. You know, what do it feel 176 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 1: like when they took you out of the van and 177 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: you knew they were going to release you and not 178 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: kill you, and that I was thinking, my brother, thinking 179 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: God like thinking out of that, I'm getting out of 180 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,439 Speaker 1: this one day. How much it costed me? Of course, 181 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 1: and it changed me. That moment changed me to be 182 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 1: living through that changed me. It changed me, but not 183 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: made me change my life side. It changed it me inside. 184 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: You know what way I felt that vulnerability, like wow, man, 185 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 1: this is you know, to be hand called on the van, 186 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: like man, this is what you get for being the man. 187 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: You guys won't be the man. It comes on the cost. 188 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 1: And to be taken like that, being pushed around like that, 189 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: it was like horrible, I'm being helped captive, my life 190 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: on the line, and I don't know how long they're 191 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: gonna keep me here. I don't know if they're ever 192 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: gonna let me go alive. That was real, Like, that 193 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: was a kind of situation that we put ourselves in. 194 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: It's funny how we looked. I felt the same way 195 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: when I got knaped again when I went to prison. 196 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: Like those feelings, I could tell you they were like 197 00:14:55,320 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: identical to what I felt when we were in prison. Yeah, 198 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: h didn't change anything you then did from then on, 199 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: I did. I did how I was actually more careful. 200 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: But it didn't stop you from doing anything. It just 201 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: made me more careful. Yeah, I couldn't help. But wonder 202 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: if the twins were attempted to get revenge on kidnappers, 203 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: So will did you ever end up doing anything? I'm 204 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: not a revengeful person. I don't carry heat. I'm not 205 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: gonna waste my time in heading to someone. But he 206 00:15:50,320 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: let the lot start HM. With Pete being a little 207 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: more careful, Ja and Val felt safe enough to get married. 208 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: They honeymooned in Mexico in the small and sleepy country 209 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: town of halper Zacatecas, known for its colorful mudbrick houses 210 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: and cobbled stone streets. This is where the Twins family 211 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: is actually originally from, the boy's father and wants a 212 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: man in America was still living there as a fugitive, 213 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: and their older brother Armando, now out of jail, had 214 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: moved to Mexico to be with him. Since the minute 215 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: we got there, well, it was the happiest I've ever 216 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: seen her. One night and we're laying in bed, I'm 217 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: sleeping and she wakes up screaming hysterically crying, comes up 218 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: to bed and she's crying it's what I mean. And 219 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: I'm like, what you know, what happened? Like, what's wrong? Like? 220 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: And she's like, We're gonna go to jail for the 221 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 1: rest of your life. And I was like, I am 222 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 1: like like I'm shocked, Like i'ma can I go to 223 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 1: jail for the rest of your life? I only want 224 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: one thing, honestly, I want to ask you for one thing. 225 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 1: She said, just say yes to me. Whenever I asked 226 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: you for to say yes. And I'm like, Okay, let's 227 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 1: live here. I will never want to go back. I 228 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 1: was shocked, and it's a please, I'll do anything as 229 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: long as you stay here. And I said, all right, 230 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: I'll stay here with Jane val Happily in Mexico. Pete 231 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: was the only one left in Chicago, and he was 232 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 1: busy looking after the business. M h February nine thousand four. 233 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: Hear my phone start ringing, ringing, the ring. I think 234 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 1: that that's act like every drug day a nightmare to 235 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: have like twenty five minutes calls from a number right now, 236 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 1: what's going on? Remember and saying my phone and there's 237 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 1: my sister and she's like, b there in the houses, 238 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: everyone's house feather, they're looking for you, and they're looking 239 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,640 Speaker 1: for JA. Don't go home, check this, just let the businesses. 240 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: They're everywhere, and I remember that panic hit. I'm calling, 241 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: you know, I'm calling checking everyone to see everyone's in pain. 242 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 1: I'm calling my attorney and yeah, they said it's kicking, 243 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: you know. They go to ten different places looking for 244 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 1: my brother and I have his assist and there's a 245 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,719 Speaker 1: word out for our arrest. There's an depending and Diamond 246 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 1: out of Milwaukee. Their search wards. I'm like, yeah, that's 247 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: not good. And I'm sending that thing I wouldn't gonna do, 248 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 1: and just figuring out what's next. The first thing I 249 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 1: had to do is get our money together. I started 250 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:31,479 Speaker 1: like just picking up, you know, money and arranging night 251 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: the drugs to be distributed, and and trying to keep 252 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: all my workers in order because I'm not sure what's 253 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 1: gonna happen. And once I get the money together and 254 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 1: I put the money away and I gotta leave, I 255 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: gotta making a week to Mexico. I crossed the linings 256 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: into Indiana and I go back on brand new Mini Round. 257 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 1: I just give him the cats, like I don't want 258 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,719 Speaker 1: that back. And I had my friend's mom, listen, are 259 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: you interested? Would you like the new van? It's rand near, 260 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: like it's totally loaded, and then give you drive me 261 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: to Texas. I'll give it to you. Sure they're not understanding, 262 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: like what okay? So we drive from Chicago to Texas, Florio. 263 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: I remember thinking like how many times did I take 264 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: this trip? And now I'm going to Mexico this time 265 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: with the nervous thing instead of coming back Chicago with 266 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: the nervous pining, I'm leaving Chicago with the nervous pining. 267 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: I'm seeing Stay Troopers everywhere. I'm like, I guess it's 268 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 1: not good, Like I'm nervous. I throw my ideas around. 269 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: I have no ideas on me. My friend and his 270 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 1: mom's driving us. And then he's driving as well, and 271 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: then I come to find out that, yeah, my license suspended. 272 00:20:55,119 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: Bro do not getting that driversy ever again. Ye. So 273 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: we drive to San Antonio where his family, let's say. 274 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: He's like, no, I'm just going about Pops drivels across 275 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,679 Speaker 1: the border. He always over there anyway. My Dad's like, okay, 276 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,360 Speaker 1: taking the sweet time, and I'm already feeling so anxious, 277 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 1: like please, let's just get on here. I'm thinking like 278 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: they can combine us. He's like that, let's take my 279 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 1: chuck the chucks. I'm halfwy like breaking down and let's 280 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: see like trumping off and putting it carbureted loidor and 281 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,120 Speaker 1: fill in the Ohio, I'm not, we don't have time 282 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 1: for this. It was just like so stressful for me 283 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: just to get to the border. I remember calling my 284 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: brother to him, look, I'm gonna be there. We were 285 00:21:56,040 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: crossing the boarding already had some noon like Friday or something, 286 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,439 Speaker 1: and just feeling some really to have crossed that border. 287 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: It's to Mexico. We used to have this spot where 288 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: we like the nicest hotel and novel Ardo was like 289 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 1: the Hilton Guardien or something where we would stay, you know, 290 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: all the time I remember till you just picked me 291 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:30,400 Speaker 1: up there A couple of hours later, you know, everyone comes. 292 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: It's a vow jay, my brother, Mombo and his wife, 293 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: they can pick me out. We're like, I'm just so 294 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: happy to see so then like, okay, we made it out. 295 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 1: You know, I'm trying to, you know, catch my brother 296 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 1: everything that I did, and everything was going on, just 297 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 1: thinking that what was next. You know, it was a 298 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: mess driving back home, just so much to catch up 299 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: on them, taking like we're gonna to make our lives there. 300 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: Driving back, you mean, back home to Mexico, like tot 301 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:15,439 Speaker 1: second home. We drove to a border and when we 302 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: got to see Peter, the first thing he did was 303 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: kissed the floor. He said, I just feel like a 304 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:28,199 Speaker 1: low was lifted up my shoulders and we just started driving. 305 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 1: So here we are mean about Peter. No, the brother, 306 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: and my sister all it did really good. Of course, 307 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: things had dramatically changed since we were all together. That 308 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: was the first time we were out together again. The 309 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: intensity of those last days, and I'm looking for my 310 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,919 Speaker 1: brother to help me, like, give me what do you 311 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 1: think my brother was a honeymoon and can't cool And 312 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: I'm like bro, Yeah, you gotta get the hell out 313 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: of home. My god, you gotta get this. I had 314 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: to go innocent. We'll just say it out loud. My 315 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: brother Teams said every time he was going to something, 316 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 1: I was like having Finally, how did you say that? 317 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 1: You don't forget? Let's recording this podcast was the first 318 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: time the brothers have been in the same room together 319 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: for well at least a decade, so sometimes there was 320 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:25,120 Speaker 1: a bit of unresolved tension in the room. Going back 321 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: to Mexico, there was one person who hadn't joined them yet, 322 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: Pete's love Viv, who followed her heart across the border. 323 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: She got on the next plane out to Chicago to 324 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 1: join the rest of the family. At first, there was 325 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: a bit of uncertainty around what would happen to the business, 326 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: and little by little I was going to kind of 327 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 1: feed out and stop doing that like step son drugs 328 00:24:50,280 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 1: and did the opposite happen? M hm. So my brother Peter, 329 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: because we couldn't trust many people, he would just communicate 330 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 1: with me. So I'm the one talking to everyone on 331 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 1: the phone say I went, you know, I'm getting closed. 332 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 1: I'm calling everybody to meet him. Are constantly on the 333 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: phone because we knew that we mean him could communicate 334 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 1: in a safe way. I'm kind of doing all the 335 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 1: arrangements and I'm the one kind of talking to the 336 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: to our workers back home that everything is kind of 337 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:48,199 Speaker 1: going through me and my brother had like our our 338 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: way of community to exchangeing numbers, like we could, you know, 339 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: we had a little cold to be like okay, and 340 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: if we felt comfortable, we could call each other. I 341 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: write this cold down and he'll give me the sequence 342 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: of the number that could like unlock on my side 343 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: and I'll be like, okay, I know what number he has, 344 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,199 Speaker 1: you know, so we can come to I don't care 345 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: of the films are listening to that. Yeah. By the 346 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 1: time they figured this out, what we had another phone. 347 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 1: We start to promote some of our workers so it's 348 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: not we're not there no more. We need eideneers. So 349 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: our right hand man, who was with us for the beginning, 350 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 1: we promoted him, You're gonna oversee everything because you're there 351 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 1: in Chicago. We're gonna give you a percentage, and we're 352 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: gonna give you the ability to start picking up your 353 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: own customers. And now you could actually make money. And 354 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 1: you gotta oversee everything, and he you know, he knew 355 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 1: the business were just forever. So for sure, we just 356 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 1: started promoting different you know, people to take a bigger 357 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 1: tests that we're gonna gonna be able to be there. 358 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: And it wasn't planning. It kind of developed as you 359 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:07,400 Speaker 1: needed it. There was no drug Enterprise for Dummies book 360 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 1: out there, even though we write one. We should know, 361 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 1: I'm not promoting that, like I'm not from This was 362 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: what we feel is gonna work beast And as we 363 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 1: went along, we adjusted. We you know, we learned the 364 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 1: hard way. We're being mistakes and we were learned from them. 365 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: And we kept calling we're twenty two years old. You know, 366 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 1: we're twenty two years old. We're on the run. Don't 367 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: forget I'm the run. Is is is a pretty nice 368 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 1: on the run, if that makes any sense. Once we 369 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 1: got to me and I felt like freeing to leave, 370 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 1: Americans had like man like how they come down here 371 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: and gives it's gonna be a wild So we have 372 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 1: some freedom and you know, feel a little bit free 373 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 1: in times he's and not only that that when the 374 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,639 Speaker 1: Marshall and DA came like they didn't affect my business. 375 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: They had an indicting, but that's it, Like, you know, 376 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 1: my crew still that they didn't golden and I felt 377 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 1: like I was lost up ahead of them, you know. Yeah, 378 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 1: it was streets. It was liberating, like okay, now I 379 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 1: don't have worry about that, and I would make yourself 380 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 1: comfortable when we got there. They had Bob poppanys and 381 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: we had about cars. I remember my dad's advice at 382 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,400 Speaker 1: our all home to go to the leat our own 383 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 1: be apples to drive and we're able to live our 384 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: like I don't know such sweet like moments in our lives, 385 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: our memories, you know, to you to get as a 386 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 1: family and like really thank my wife and I you 387 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 1: know later in Ja to really have that foundation of 388 00:28:51,280 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 1: our apart little from each other. Mm hmm, son sense 389 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 1: you know, it rains and the power of go out, 390 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 1: and I still remember like vow making the best time 391 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: of it, like it's the time we're born. No, we're 392 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 1: gonna put your raids and we're not used to that. 393 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: Let's push you raid, guys. It's just a family gathering 394 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:18,959 Speaker 1: and we'll just make the best out of it, like 395 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: just doing the simplest things. And I don't think that 396 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: me and my brother ever had that like as a family, 397 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: and our family was always more like loving but serious book, 398 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: you know, And I share this with You're like, I 399 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 1: never played cards, I never played board games. I didn't 400 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: play it against I didn't know what chess was. I 401 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: didn't play scrabble. And you know that comes from a 402 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 1: different family where she's like, let's you know, let's play this, 403 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 1: and let's play a card game. And I'm a spade queen. 404 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 1: I'm like, what spade and they'll laugh at me. Yea. 405 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: He made the best out of We would all have 406 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 1: fun no matter what should involved. My parents, you know, 407 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 1: they were like you know in Mexican and then my 408 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 1: dad and like, no, we're gonna do this. It was 409 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: a good time. M h. Yeah. So that's time with 410 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: your mom and dad. The older brother because he and 411 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: his family, he's living there, so I'll take we'd all 412 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: go to like the horse Traces with my dad and 413 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 1: my mom and all of us. Now that we're down there, 414 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: it was easier to kind of like to meet people. 415 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: We're buying like different properties, so we're meeting old people 416 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 1: that were in the villains like a long time ago, 417 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 1: and I'd be like like, oh, he has the biggest 418 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: you know, y'aba field in the state. You no, we're 419 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 1: trying to dive friends, I haven't need at the same time, 420 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,239 Speaker 1: you know, to see what's out there. And it seems like, 421 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 1: you know, like I said that you've got money. They 422 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: respect you your names, like dad, that's a good name. 423 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 1: And that kind of helped our whole situation. The well 424 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 1: difficult thing that we can cool it was bringing the 425 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 1: money down. So how did you get the money from 426 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: Chicago to Mexico? For every problem is there's solution if 427 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: we'll bring down a minute dollars at a time. They 428 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: already checked the cars coming across. But we're like, man, 429 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: you know, a man in dollars sits in the shoot, 430 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: so as will be like, okay, we'll find somebody. Hey, 431 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: you want a free car, you want a job, been 432 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 1: under name put insurance, do all that. Here's fifty. The 433 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: drugg was still coming the same way, same system. Just 434 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: we're not there. I'm not letting no one like say 435 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: control that, um do anything. They're not seeing us before. 436 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 1: We'll hands and we will see our customers all the time. 437 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: But we're just doing it like that be a telephone 438 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 1: like everything you're phone and you know it's working out. 439 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 1: Could you know, almost feels like they've never left. But 440 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: it's just very time consuming on the phone every step. 441 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 1: We had like a little meeting where we had all 442 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 1: our workers come out together and listen, this is gonna 443 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: be the new normal. Not we're not there. Peter's like, um, 444 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: let's get some forward. It just covered before with it. 445 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 1: Well what about everybody else? And like okay, almost say 446 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 1: cause eight times okay, the US twenty one in their eyes, 447 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 1: we're just Americans here on vacation. And see is that 448 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 1: what you were seeing as No, no, not that has 449 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 1: no but I see people started talking. We started going 450 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 1: out like let's go to a little bar, and man, 451 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: we walked to the bar like we're walking down the 452 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,479 Speaker 1: streets like so friendly and calm in the town, has 453 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 1: a little set and we're anyone sits down and has 454 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: their coffee and excused waters. And you know, I have 455 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 1: a whole crew of all these little kids will follow 456 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: over everywhere wet, you know, like teenagers now. Give them 457 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 1: a little money and buying some shoes and stuff, and 458 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: I'm like, goals, you know, tell the owner to be 459 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 1: out some champagne. So they'll bring the case of champagne 460 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 1: for the biggest city can closest to us, and then 461 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: we'll go drink. I remember ask and I'm like, how 462 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: much is a case of coronas? I think it's like 463 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 1: dirty pacils or something like three dollars, Give me a 464 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 1: hundred of ums and just give him to everyone everyone 465 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 1: pretty pretty bud. We drove my dad mad, like we 466 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 1: were driving him crazy because he knew what people are 467 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 1: gonna think, like what are you guys doing. We needed 468 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 1: some type of protection as well, so we got the 469 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 1: police force and we started to donate just to be safe. 470 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 1: They started working for us. Remember at this time in 471 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 1: my twenties, Like you know, I really want to say 472 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 1: that about corruption in Maxwell or anywhere even here, Like 473 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:20,840 Speaker 1: I do understand that the negative things that come with corruption, 474 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 1: like what should corrupt someone a little bit? They're corrupt 475 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 1: all the way and once they take money from you, 476 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 1: don't take me from anyone. That system doesn't like work 477 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 1: for the people because it will affect them in everywhere manageable. 478 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: And I think that we didn't see that at the time. 479 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,919 Speaker 1: Work for us. It works sure what we're doing, so 480 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,400 Speaker 1: but we didn't see that next you know, they're cutting 481 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 1: corners on their daily job. They're not really doing their 482 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,400 Speaker 1: jobs anymore because they're corrupt. You know, whether it's a 483 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 1: government politician, they have their self interest at him. And 484 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 1: all this time you're working the fans. There's there's new 485 00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 1: things we're doing, like at the time, we have to 486 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 1: be to come to go with like you know, meeting 487 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:07,319 Speaker 1: people don't well start meeting people. We have products, we 488 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,920 Speaker 1: have cocaine, and we have a distribution. We don't like. 489 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,720 Speaker 1: We never stopped sending. We never stopped so we're always 490 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 1: open to new opportunities. We're always looking for the next thing, 491 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 1: just in case. It was always us, even though we 492 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:24,439 Speaker 1: were comfortable, always kind of starting the new thing while 493 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:28,319 Speaker 1: the good thing that was working for was going. I 494 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,399 Speaker 1: never intended to miss a phone call from any one 495 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 1: of my phones. It was just so much going on, 496 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 1: so many different people coming in and out of the house, 497 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 1: different cars, Jay with his hundred phones, Pe with his 498 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 1: I mean, it was just overwhelming. It was a very overwhelming. 499 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,840 Speaker 1: I didn't understand that either. I knew that the business 500 00:35:51,920 --> 00:36:00,080 Speaker 1: did come first, damn fair, and it was into this 501 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,879 Speaker 1: situation we're in or I was in the shower. I'd 502 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 1: be like, oh yeah, it was never missed a call. 503 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,080 Speaker 1: Definitely never missed a call. We could be in the 504 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,799 Speaker 1: middle of dinner or in the middle, you know, of 505 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,960 Speaker 1: a movie or whatever, and he would never miss a call. 506 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,720 Speaker 1: I mind my own business, but I knew that whatever, 507 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,760 Speaker 1: whatever was going to happen, that was going to come first, 508 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,239 Speaker 1: and it was it was important. What did you have 509 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,840 Speaker 1: a missical? There's so much a stake. My life was online, 510 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,000 Speaker 1: my brother's life, everyone's lives are all being you know, 511 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,359 Speaker 1: not only mine. My work is my customer. I just 512 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,399 Speaker 1: couldn't miss the couldn't afford to think that someone made 513 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:37,359 Speaker 1: a decision that needed my you know, attended, and I did, 514 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,960 Speaker 1: wasn't there and I missed the car. Someone's kind of 515 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,839 Speaker 1: say they live it. Money is now our phones are 516 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 1: our lifeline. Literally, how many times did you have at 517 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 1: this time? He used laying because now anyone we talked 518 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 1: to a can trust. So that means anyone the person 519 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 1: who helps with the cars, they got a full I 520 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,480 Speaker 1: got a false personally out a card of you's got 521 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 1: a phone. I didn't trust the communication to like put 522 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,799 Speaker 1: us in the vulnerable say where they can find us. 523 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 1: You know, I think that Peter and j they Michael 524 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:15,240 Speaker 1: managed everybody, and I feel like they implemented that system 525 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,319 Speaker 1: that they learned in McDonald's to their own organization, their 526 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:24,239 Speaker 1: own business. They felt like, Okay, well it's the fried 527 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,440 Speaker 1: guy just has one job to do one thing and 528 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 1: make fries. You can't suck it up. In their mind, 529 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,479 Speaker 1: they just felt like, I don't think for us, We're 530 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:43,040 Speaker 1: just gonna think for you. We're a problem solvers. And 531 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:44,799 Speaker 1: not only do I want to solve the problem, want 532 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:50,320 Speaker 1: to solve it's the best way possible. So for every 533 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,719 Speaker 1: little situation was like, how are we going to do this? 534 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:59,920 Speaker 1: Now that we're here, we have experience, we we keep 535 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 1: does the workers in our warehouse right, how are we 536 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,279 Speaker 1: gonna wait that? Like, you know what we're gonna do 537 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,920 Speaker 1: as you keep needsing my because the shipment for getting 538 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 1: on the road, and that would bring that the Feds 539 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,439 Speaker 1: with them. Did that happen all up? It happened often 540 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,600 Speaker 1: nuts crossed to say we can't afoor to even take 541 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,400 Speaker 1: their chance. So what we did is, you know what, 542 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 1: We're gonna have our drivers get a warehouse in Chicago 543 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:26,279 Speaker 1: and we're gonna make them get through them to our 544 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,440 Speaker 1: house and if we need to have them sit there 545 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,839 Speaker 1: for a couple of days. Once they're end, they're gonna 546 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:35,240 Speaker 1: sit whilst we feel everything good. We'll send our drivers 547 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 1: and hid them to pick up the cocaine. And we're 548 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,840 Speaker 1: gonna do the same in a We're gonna do the 549 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 1: same in Mexico. That way, one of them gets caught. 550 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:45,480 Speaker 1: They don't know where the rest of the warehouses are. 551 00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,080 Speaker 1: When we saw that, but we don't have to worry 552 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 1: about that. We took drug dealers that were selling drugs 553 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,239 Speaker 1: that we knew, and we said were you can't have 554 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,480 Speaker 1: no more drugs. You're gonna come work for us. If 555 00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,200 Speaker 1: we were signing twenty five kids for us a month, 556 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,759 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be the doll knowlarge you're not making that 557 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,080 Speaker 1: you can co work for us. You're a manager now. 558 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,000 Speaker 1: Sometimes we could have them sit in the house six 559 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,200 Speaker 1: months at a time, wouldn't leave the house. We'll have 560 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,520 Speaker 1: someone to actually bring them food and they would sit 561 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,520 Speaker 1: there and take care of the drugs or account money 562 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:24,520 Speaker 1: all day. Later on, we rated our own warehouse as 563 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,320 Speaker 1: our own the lodges, we're out fitting our own vehicles, 564 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,880 Speaker 1: we have, we have our own mechanics, having mechanics, we 565 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:38,480 Speaker 1: have Carton lists, rug lists. We're probably a good eighteen 566 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:42,560 Speaker 1: people at that time? Did you think everybody was something 567 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 1: obviously good? Around thirty people? And how many drugs do 568 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,560 Speaker 1: you each? Because I suddenly sold at least a thousands, 569 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,480 Speaker 1: you though day hundred twelve and the kiss of a month, 570 00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,600 Speaker 1: they started beat our benefit not to take the drugs 571 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:04,400 Speaker 1: the Chicago Club we to make more money, so us 572 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,480 Speaker 1: get making these deals in l A and transported them. 573 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:12,880 Speaker 1: It was more beneficient. So the common practice of the 574 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:14,799 Speaker 1: drugs and the way it works is that wherever they 575 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,200 Speaker 1: give you the drugs, you're gonna pay the price. So 576 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,120 Speaker 1: if I get the drugs in l A, I'm getting 577 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,080 Speaker 1: an l A price from I get the drugs in Chicago, 578 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,600 Speaker 1: I'm getting Chicago price. Get the drugs in New York, 579 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:28,479 Speaker 1: I'm paying New York press. The farther it goes away 580 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:33,520 Speaker 1: from the border, the higher the price. It was beneficient 581 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,960 Speaker 1: for us to get the drugs in Mexico or in 582 00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 1: l A. And it was for Chicago. And I realized 583 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,719 Speaker 1: that the smallest person in our organization was putting was 584 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,879 Speaker 1: the partners of part ones, the person they actually went 585 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:52,000 Speaker 1: in handed the knoler to someone. It was so important 586 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,560 Speaker 1: because without him I couldn't make my business work. And 587 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,759 Speaker 1: I think like the same way where Amazon, if you 588 00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,399 Speaker 1: take care of your drivers, you delivery for snow, what's 589 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:09,080 Speaker 1: your business based on nothing. Within a year of them 590 00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,040 Speaker 1: being indicted out of Milwaukee and officially going on the 591 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:16,799 Speaker 1: run to Mexico, they rebuilt their entire drug empire and 592 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:21,080 Speaker 1: now have man stash houses across America, their own mechanic shops, 593 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:27,440 Speaker 1: car yards, thirty staff, and were selling keys kilos a month, 594 00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:34,319 Speaker 1: easily bringing in three million dollars every single month. Not 595 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,440 Speaker 1: bad business for a couple of boys who are just 596 00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:40,920 Speaker 1: twenty two at the time. But the twins were always 597 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,880 Speaker 1: looking for the next big thing, the next pathway to 598 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:48,919 Speaker 1: more cash, more notoriety, more success, and they found one 599 00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,000 Speaker 1: in the form of a man named Guadaloupe also known 600 00:41:52,040 --> 00:42:12,000 Speaker 1: as Loupe or TiO uncle h. The first sign I 601 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,160 Speaker 1: picked him up, I didn't know him. My brother had 602 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,040 Speaker 1: met him before, and so were I Then to go Twins, 603 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,000 Speaker 1: you know, it's like just go pick him up to 604 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:25,799 Speaker 1: the airport. Are you're gonna recognize and sees me? It's like, 605 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:34,799 Speaker 1: sobod you know, deals like oh cool, okay, we leaves 606 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:41,200 Speaker 1: an older man imagine white hair glasses. He becomes, you know, 607 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,520 Speaker 1: one of the biggest and most reliable cookie stupid with 608 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:50,799 Speaker 1: his head up to that moment. We have a bunch 609 00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:58,719 Speaker 1: of issues. We get wrong. My work is can we 610 00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,640 Speaker 1: get rob perform? You can else. I tried to stop 611 00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,200 Speaker 1: the loads and say, read up, my house has been 612 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:07,720 Speaker 1: compromised again. Don't say no more cokey, and he tells 613 00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:11,759 Speaker 1: me he can't stop that. Danny received dons of dolls. 614 00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,719 Speaker 1: He requested that my brother and I turned over all 615 00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:22,719 Speaker 1: our my favorite business. I want to warehouse. I want, 616 00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:24,560 Speaker 1: you know, the guys that helped me. This is not 617 00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,319 Speaker 1: like I can't do that. I'm not gonna do that. 618 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,080 Speaker 1: Becaus like a week ten days later, it says, you 619 00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,080 Speaker 1: know what it's fix is right? Come on, it's not 620 00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:47,560 Speaker 1: it's fixes April, it doesn't five. I don't see him. 621 00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,400 Speaker 1: I brought a bunch of folds. I'm just giving him 622 00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:54,000 Speaker 1: some folds. That how you been? Whatever? We go, We 623 00:43:54,040 --> 00:44:00,440 Speaker 1: sit down, were just small talk, well five ten maybe 624 00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:05,360 Speaker 1: cool by and then um I heard the loudest bangs 625 00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:11,839 Speaker 1: go off. It sound like a grenade went up. They 626 00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:13,759 Speaker 1: kind of stolen, like what and I can hear it 627 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,920 Speaker 1: coming from like the back of the house. You know, 628 00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:31,000 Speaker 1: you happened so fast, like honestly, it's just black hops. 629 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,239 Speaker 1: And I hear the kind of yearning after the you know, 630 00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,040 Speaker 1: the loud bang, like yearning the island a little bit 631 00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:44,040 Speaker 1: to understand that they were yelling no fellow please when 632 00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,320 Speaker 1: I've seen their al S team as they're coming in 633 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:55,799 Speaker 1: with ristles. They come in and they're like everybody down 634 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:09,640 Speaker 1: m surviving l Chapo. 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