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Speaker 1: Welcome back, happy our listeners. I'm Becky Hoofrid and I'm

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Speaker 1: Michelle Young, and we are so thrilled to be back

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Speaker 1: this week because home Man alive. Oh, I don't even

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Speaker 1: want to see a lot. So much happened during this

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Speaker 1: finale and like what, like, how are you feeling right now, Michelle?

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Speaker 1: That was a lot to take it. I'm feeling stressed,

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Speaker 1: and I'm feeling stressed because I know that that was

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Speaker 1: the less dramatic episode between the two parts. So it's finale.

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Speaker 1: It's it's the finale, is the part one of the Bachelorette.

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Speaker 1: I'm happy to be back here. I'm stressed, I'm excited.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait. There's gonna be so much that's gonna happen,

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Speaker 1: but I'm here with you, Becca, and we are going

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Speaker 1: to be talking to TV star and Bachelor fan tofer Grace,

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Speaker 1: and we finally have Avon here. Oh I cannot wait.

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Speaker 1: I always love having a guest fan on and even

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Speaker 1: as somebody that we have been asking for since the beginning,

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Speaker 1: and it is finally time because we saw the most

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Speaker 1: out of Avon that we've seen this season. So I

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Speaker 1: can't wait to have them both on let's just get

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Speaker 1: into everything that went down, because holy smoke, golies, I

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Speaker 1: don't even know where to begin, and Michelle help me out.

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Speaker 1: Holy smoke, goalies. I've never honestly I didn't think you

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Speaker 1: could get more in Minnesotan than you just didlies. You

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Speaker 1: can take the girl out of Minnesota, but you can't

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Speaker 1: take the Minnesota out of the girl, right. I just

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Speaker 1: it was wild and like I think the most jarring

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Speaker 1: how everything went down a few months ago between both

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Speaker 1: women and their men, but like the little box on

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Speaker 1: the screen with their faces in the corner throughout the

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Speaker 1: entire episode was just like bonkers to me. Seeing Rachel

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Speaker 1: face at the end, like when Jesse was kind of

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Speaker 1: closing out the show was so much to take in

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Speaker 1: and we obviously know a little bit of what happens,

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Speaker 1: and the viewers are getting more, you know, with that

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Speaker 1: final teaser, but like both women only have one man left.

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Speaker 1: That's really funny that you bring up the little box,

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Speaker 1: especially like during these live episodes, is because I honestly

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Speaker 1: potentially a really good gauge on just like body language

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Speaker 1: reading and you can kind of tell, like you picked

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Speaker 1: up that there's a lot that happened, like there's some

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Speaker 1: raw emotion. I'm just not sure what it is. Speaking

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Speaker 1: of poker face, I mean Rachel's was shown for a

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Speaker 1: majority throughout this entire episode, and it's like very much stoic,

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Speaker 1: but like also looking a little piss just through it all.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. It's going to be so interesting to

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Speaker 1: because I feel like usually with the finales, it's such

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Speaker 1: a joyous time, like for the most part, the lead

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Speaker 1: is in love there with someone and we don't know

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Speaker 1: what happens next week, Like are there two engagements? Is

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Speaker 1: there one? Will there be zero? We don't know, And

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Speaker 1: that's where it's just going to be a lot to

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Speaker 1: take it. Okay, I have a question to ask you

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Speaker 1: or just in observation, do you feel like m do

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Speaker 1: you feel like Rachel seemed more relaxed at Mental All

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Speaker 1: then she seemed at this episode or during this episode

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Speaker 1: one thousand percent she seemed more relaxed and mental all

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Speaker 1: one thousand percent like something more relaxed at Mental or

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Speaker 1: you less relaxed and mental because it's like you're kind

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Speaker 1: I was like pretty relaxed for both, to be honest,

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Speaker 1: because like, don't I didn't really have any like drama

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Speaker 1: was with the other guys, not with me, Like, so

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Speaker 1: I went into both segments like pretty excited and just

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Speaker 1: like I think she. I think they both, to be honest,

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Speaker 1: seemed more relaxed during the tell all what about you?

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Speaker 1: I would I would definitely agree they seemed more relaxed,

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Speaker 1: and they just kind of this this episode, they just

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Speaker 1: also a long road like this is, you know what

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Speaker 1: and it's gone by fast for I think us viewers,

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Speaker 1: just kidding, we're gonna be splitting it up, so you

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Speaker 1: to know that everything that you're saying and doing is

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Speaker 1: like live streaming in front of millions of people. It's

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Speaker 1: like such a scary thing. Yeah. And then plus, like

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Speaker 1: there's clearly drama with Rachel and Tino. Who is her

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Speaker 1: last man standing? If anyone has lived under a rock

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Speaker 1: this past week, I'm sorry, but like there's a scandal

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Speaker 1: but like there's a lot for these two women, and

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Speaker 1: I'm sure at this point they're just like you said, tired, exhausted,

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Speaker 1: and I don't blame them. We have to bring on

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Speaker 1: our first guest, Toper. He and his wife Ashley are

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Speaker 1: self proclaimed Bachelor super fans, so we're super excited to

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Speaker 1: have him and I know he's going to have a

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Speaker 1: lot to say after tonight's episode. He sure is, and

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Speaker 1: we're gonna go ahead and bring him on. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: Bachelor Happy Hour, toefor tofor we are so excited to

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Speaker 1: have you here. I feel like we're all a little

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Speaker 1: bit nervous because we're so pumped nearly as excited as

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Speaker 1: uh and jealous as my wife is we Uh, she's

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Speaker 1: the super fan. I'm like her, um, you know, like

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Speaker 1: her her co partner on this, but she's like, you

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Speaker 1: got me hooks. Originally, I love it. Watch both your

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Speaker 1: guys as seasons. We thought you guys were great. We're

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Speaker 1: really rooting for you guys. Oh Stu Ones you kind

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Speaker 1: of you root again, I mean, you know what it's like,

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Speaker 1: but they're ones. You don't root for it. But you

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Speaker 1: guys are awesome. Oh absolutely, And we definitely want to

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Speaker 1: get into who you're rooting for this season, but we

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Speaker 1: heard that's a that's like kind of a trick question,

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Speaker 1: but we want it truly is though it truly is.

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Speaker 1: But as big of fans we are of you, we

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Speaker 1: have her that you are also, along with your wife,

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Speaker 1: quite a huge fan. Well you know. Yeah. It started

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Speaker 1: You get into the contestants, you know, Yeah, is that

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Speaker 1: what you call the people who aren't the bachelor Bachelorette?

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Speaker 1: The cast? Sorry, the cast get into their story and

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Speaker 1: then you're like, well, how's Michelle gonna find love? Like

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Speaker 1: you're the one beating her to the couch with the snacks,

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Speaker 1: ask you this, then, since you've been watching since Swan

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Speaker 1: Pablo season, since that time, have you had a favorite

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Speaker 1: boucher or Boucher ride, and then have you also had

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Speaker 1: You're like, I wonder what they're doing now, did they

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Speaker 1: But I have to tell you this is I should

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Speaker 1: zach Am. I my same, yes, yeah, you know that

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Speaker 1: which is that he's not ready to be engaged? Seggar?

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Speaker 1: so messed up about the proposal, and it's like, why

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Speaker 1: at night or one hour, and you're watching this, you go,

426
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,159
Speaker 1: I guess I am a fan now? And uh I

427
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 1: went on Drew Barrymore and they were like the producer

428
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 1: backstage like, just remember you're a Bachelor super fan. I

429
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:37,360
Speaker 1: was like, well, I probably won't introduced myself like that,

430
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,360
Speaker 1: but but he kept saying it. I didn't know why,

431
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,920
Speaker 1: and uh it was, Oh my gosh, I'm telling him

432
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:48,480
Speaker 1: so bad with names? Who was who Michelle used to

433
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:55,760
Speaker 1: date Clayton? So look how no wait, oh my god,

434
00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 1: he got sent home. But he's doing great now, he's

435
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:07,960
Speaker 1: thriving now, thriving. Oh they're still together? Yeah, yes, yes,

436
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 1: interesting finale, but uh he right, that was these two girls, right,

437
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 1: that's the whole thing. That's They really brought him up

438
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,159
Speaker 1: a lot this season. Super nice guy, but I didn't know.

439
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 1: I like kind of started the show and she's asking

440
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,159
Speaker 1: me and I was like, yeah, I'm into it, and

441
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,919
Speaker 1: she's asking me about him, and you know, I was

442
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,360
Speaker 1: telling her my opinion was I thought he actually did

443
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 1: a good job. The night before that it aired and

444
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 1: I thought it was funny. And then uh, Jesse came

445
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 1: out and I was like, oh my god, like he

446
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 1: was like the surprise guest. And then they pulled up Clayton.

447
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 1: He came. He was like from La or something on side.

448
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 1: I went what I was like, wait, am I gonna

449
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 1: be the next Bachelor? Is that what this is? I

450
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 1: have to make a quick call to my wife, but

451
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 1: my wife for two months, Yeah, exactly, like I gotta

452
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 1: leave this shop that a long haul pass. But what

453
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 1: do you think? Do you think there's gonna be two

454
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 1: engagements with both women? Do you think there's gonna be

455
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 1: one or none? My prediction is zero engagements? Okay, But

456
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 1: I do think they came out great friends they did.

457
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 1: That is I would say Rachel and Gabby or the

458
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 1: couples yea, who was the guy who was like, um,

459
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:26,160
Speaker 1: my last girlfriend was way hotter than her. Oh, at

460
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 1: the beginning, yeah, like the villainy Hayden love that guy.

461
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 1: Man definitely be the Bachelor. I was sitting there, like,

462
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: this guy is maybe the biggest villain I've seen on

463
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,439
Speaker 1: the show. He's not just like you know, Chad or

464
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 1: one of those guys's like just like I'm gonna play

465
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 1: a TV villain now or whatever. Like he was like

466
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:45,880
Speaker 1: I could tell he didn't know he was be filmed.

467
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 1: Did not like that he didn't show up to that, Yeah,

468
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta show up if you And then I

469
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 1: kind of I just thought, I don't know whatever I

470
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:58,919
Speaker 1: went to the I went to like boarding school. I

471
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 1: knew a couple of dudes like that. So I want

472
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 1: to know coming from somebody who because it's different from

473
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: Michelle and I because we've been through actual filming the show,

474
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,400
Speaker 1: so it's a little bit different. But for somebody that

475
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 1: is just a fan of it watching it, do you

476
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 1: appreciate when people are that bluntly honest and like shit

477
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,919
Speaker 1: that Hayden said? Or does it? Are you ever like

478
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 1: why is this person on the show? Like where are

479
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 1: you at? Because some people love it and some people

480
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 1: absolutely hate YEA guys like hating me or the equivalent

481
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 1: of like an American idol when someone comes in and

482
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 1: they're like, check out this song, and then they you're like,

483
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 1: how has no one told this person like this? Uck,

484
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 1: you're a grown man, like stop singing like this. I

485
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 1: was like, that's really good, like middle school. Like in

486
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 1: middle school, if I heard my son say like that

487
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,400
Speaker 1: my last girlfriend isn't it's hotter than her? You go, hey, man,

488
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 1: that's not how you, you know, talk about people like that. Okay,

489
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 1: So to fer next Batchelor announcement is coming up soon.

490
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: Who do you think it should be? Oh? Great question? Um,

491
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 1: I actually did like Eaven. I know I've given him

492
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: a little bit of crap, but I think he seemed

493
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: like a great guy who just like I've been in

494
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 1: that position where you're like, I really don't want to

495
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 1: hurt this person's feelings, but I have something to say

496
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 1: that's the opposite of what they want to hear. And

497
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 1: I do think he really wanted to be with her. Oh.

498
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: The other person I should know is Jimmy Tacho, who

499
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: plays my younger brother on Home Economics. By the way,

500
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: he is in a relationship, but I think, um, he

501
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 1: would be a great bachelor. Nominating him and he's in

502
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 1: a relationship. Have you met that part? But let's say

503
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,199
Speaker 1: it shouldn't ever fall apart, but if it should, I

504
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 1: think that guy would crush it. Hey, we've had guys

505
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: come on the show who have had girlfriends in the past,

506
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 1: so we're used to it. That's right. By the way,

507
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 1: what about Grandpa Jo have girlfriends? Yeah? Yeah, what are

508
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: your thoughts about Grandpa John? I think that guy needs

509
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 1: a total spin off just for him. Seems like the

510
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 1: coolest dude. Why have you not hosted a date yet?

511
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,719
Speaker 1: I you know, my old pals Askton Mila did it,

512
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 1: and we just did a thing together and I was

513
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 1: talking to them. They're doing like a reboot of that

514
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,199
Speaker 1: sevent show called that nineties show, so we're all in

515
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: it for us, and I actually asked them about that

516
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: because we're all, Look, we're all like, you know, we

517
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 1: were like kids together and now we're all at home

518
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: with kids and all watching the show. My real issue

519
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: is that my wife would um take it over, and

520
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: I am. I would love to see it. Honestly. I

521
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: would have joined and you know and joined them and

522
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: she would just become the lead right away. Yeah, I

523
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: love it all. Right, before we have to let you

524
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: go here. We're gonna jump into a game quick because,

525
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,239
Speaker 1: like Mica said, we love our games. This one is

526
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: called um rapid Fire. You're super witty, okay, so like

527
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,360
Speaker 1: it's all about speed, like you got you gotta give

528
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 1: it to us right away. Okay. So we're gonna ask

529
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 1: you a question and then your job is to far away.

530
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 1: So I'll start here. Becca. Are you an early riser

531
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: or a night owl? I'm definitely not an early riser,

532
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 1: but I'm learning to be. Now we have two, we

533
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 1: actually have one on the way. I am a forest

534
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: early riser and now I go to bed much earlier

535
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: than I used to. I love it. What is the

536
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 1: best stadium advice you've ever received? Um? I yes, I was.

537
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: To be honest, I was like going to propose to

538
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 1: my wife but hadn't told her obviously, and I was

539
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: kind of telling my mom. I mean I hadn't really

540
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 1: talked to anyone about it, and my mom was like,

541
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, maybe like in a year or so.

542
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: My mom was like, you should, you should do it soon.

543
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: So doing soon is what you're saying. Okay, we should

544
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: have her on the show to tell out of my

545
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: league and my wife was like, you might stand a

546
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: chance if you you know, you go soon? Do it soon?

547
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: I love it? Can that be our next Instagram? Do it?

548
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: By the way, I would say to Aman, you know,

549
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: act now or it soon? All right? There we go.

550
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: How do you like your pizza? Pineapple and hammer? Little combo? There? Okay?

551
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: What is your well you need to say it and

552
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: show it. Signature dance move. Okay, signature dance move. You

553
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: have to talk us through while you do it. I'm

554
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: pretty lame. I don't know if you guys could figure

555
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: this out, but I was kind of a loser in

556
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: high school. Um god, I don't really have one. They

557
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: just made us do a promo for ABC because our

558
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: premiere is on the twenty first. They had us all

559
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: dance to the twenty first of September. What was that song?

560
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: You know? Like, oh do you remember? Yeah? And they're

561
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: like you go first over like getting a circle and

562
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: start dancing, and I was like, I was really nervous.

563
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: But we actually not to promos. We did another promo

564
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: where they did face replacement, so digitally they took our

565
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: face off of us and put it on like great dancers.

566
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: And I would just encourage anyone to go to that

567
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: ad right now. And because I'm doing like backflips and stuff,

568
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: so okay, we're gonna give credit to you doing some backflips,

569
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: probably me pretending I'm ironically doing the running Man and

570
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: then actually doing the Running Man. Yeah. I was kind

571
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: of saying this little like robot action where you like

572
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: hit the arm and then you know, I like what

573
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: I'm seeing better. Thank you? Sorry with its dancing with

574
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: the stars. You want me next? Oh? Take it? Keep well,

575
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: keep going? What is this is? Like? I don't know

576
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: why this one's my favorite question? But what is your

577
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 1: favorite curse word? I heard you swear on this backup

578
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: you guys, Oh yeah we can curse, yes, yeah, um

579
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: probably fuck. But I am trying not to say it

580
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: in front of these kids we have on the show,

581
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: are ever present. I mean, they've now heard it from

582
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: every cast members so much. You know, you mess up

583
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: a line, Oh fuck you fuck, I'm so sorry. Fuck

584
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: I said it again, damn it to keep us popping out,

585
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: I know, And these kids are like, it's not shocking

586
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: us at this point, but we tried, we tried it.

587
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: We gotta have to swear jart work or something sweet. Okay,

588
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: what is your guilty pleasure besides yeah, I mean I

589
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: think this is we're knee deep in it here. Yeah.

590
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: Oh that's probably we have no time because of having kids,

591
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: so this is definitely it. Okay, I love that. Uh

592
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: go to karaoke song? Uh my Sharona, Oh man, if

593
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: you really want to pull out a win duet a

594
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: whole new world, Oh yeah, I want to hear you

595
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: hit the falsetto in that one. And then not only

596
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: do I hit those notes, but then I also point

597
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: out from the Magic Carpet Ride, you know, Oh, there's

598
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: the Sphinx, and there's when you do when you do

599
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: what this? Are you like duetting with somebody or you're

600
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: singing both pete both parts because I don't know why

601
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: I think you are you singing both parts? Definitely like

602
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:14,719
Speaker 1: a jazzmine thing, and I'm doing no very in character

603
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: predating my wife. I want to like a like a

604
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: karaoke thing at someone's house, and that was the song

605
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,959
Speaker 1: that put it over the top. I'm just picturing you.

606
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 1: If you know you're going to karaoke night, you actually

607
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: bring your own like little mini rug rolled up that

608
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: you just throw on a ladding of it. It's the

609
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: duet of it because I've also done time in your

610
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: life from dirty Dancing, which is another great like you know,

611
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: oh yeah, classic great duet. It is hard to lift

612
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,719
Speaker 1: yourself up though, if you don't have somebody else with you. No, no,

613
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: I forced the girl to do it. Yeah. I was

614
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: gonna say. You also said you're not good at so

615
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: I don't know if i'd be running at. Okay, this

616
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: is going to be our last question for the game

617
00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: because we've got to get you out of here because

618
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: I know you're a very busy man with your kiddos.

619
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: But what is the current screensaver on your phone? Oh well,

620
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: it's my kids, you know. I was gonna say, it's

621
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: going to be something good like that. Yeah, I love that. Okay, toever,

622
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: this was so much fun having you on. I'm glad

623
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: that you are. Well. It's gonna say a secret bauchlor fan,

624
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: but the secret is no more cats out of the bag. Seriously,

625
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: don't nice to meet you. My wife he's gonna kill

626
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: me that I got so much time with you and

627
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: I got to pick your brains. But our listen to

628
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: this episode. Tell her we say hi, and I really

629
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: after next week. I would love to chat with you

630
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: both and get your overall thoughts and everything that went down,

631
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,719
Speaker 1: because it's going to be a wild ride, so I'm

632
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: just gonna worry it out. We watch it the way

633
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: most people watch sports. Where you we were just as

634
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: bad dating, you know what I mean, but you act

635
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: like a pro and you're you know, when you're watching

636
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: it Olympics and it's match or something, You're like, I,

637
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: I'm just forturing you on the couch, like throwing popcorn

638
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: at the screen or like screaming, yeah, well okay, let

639
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: us know your thoughts next week because I I can't

640
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: wait to know what everyone's going to be thinking. But Dover,

641
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: it was so much fun having you on and great

642
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: to meet you, and I can't wait home Economics Wednesday,

643
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: the day after the finale is when we premiere. We

644
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 1: go to Disneyland and it's be most fun. You will

645
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: see the cast having the most fun any cast has

646
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 1: ever had. Awesome the twenty first, everyone buckle up, Thank

647
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: you guys for let me hang than good to meet you.

648
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: How are you guys doing? Even me are great? How

649
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: the hell are you hey? How are you doing doing good?

650
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: Fresh off fresh off the TV, fresh off the stage.

651
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 1: Before we even get into this, I have to tell

652
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: you how bad we have been wanting you on the podcast.

653
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna lay it all out there right now,

654
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: day one, since day one, but we were so excited.

655
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: I was like, we have to have him on. I

656
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,720
Speaker 1: know he's going to be exhausted from this finale and

657
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: all that you had to do on stage. It's a lot,

658
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: but we are so happy we have you. I appreciate it.

659
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: I'm here, I'm ready to go. I love it. Okay,

660
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: First off, how are you doing really after all of that,

661
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: because that was a lot. Yeah, I um. The anticipation

662
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: aspect of it was the craziest part. Like I was

663
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: anticipating it all day and then it just you know,

664
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: goes for like ten minutes. So I'm good. It was

665
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: you know, I was nervous to see her again, you

666
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: know up there. I haven't seen her since that night,

667
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah. So but yeah, got through it, and

668
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: now I'm here since we're jumping into it, I know

669
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: that like all these things happen right like you, like

670
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: you go through these emotions when it first happens, and

671
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: then you have this period of time where you stop

672
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: filming and then you're having that sync in you're processing it,

673
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: and then you start to think about things that you

674
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: want to say when you know that you're going to

675
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: see Rachel again. Do you feel like you're able to

676
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 1: say everything? Do you feel like you know what you

677
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 1: plan to say that's what came out, or like you know,

678
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:57,919
Speaker 1: a lot of people black out or it goes so fast, right, Yeah,

679
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: it went really fast. You know, the questions that Jesse asked,

680
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: I tried to answer, you know, from what I was feeling,

681
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: you know at this time, kind of watching it back,

682
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,760
Speaker 1: I tried to go back to some of those emotions,

683
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: some of those feelings, some of those thoughts I was

684
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 1: having and re expressed those to her. But I think

685
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: I got like what I wanted to off my chest hopefully.

686
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 1: You know. I definitely wasn't really all the way there

687
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: up there. I was kind of just like saying what

688
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: came to mind. So yeah, I think I got I

689
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: think I got everything I needed off. What was what

690
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 1: was more nerve wracking seeing Rachel for the first time

691
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 1: since your breakup, or knowing that this conversation was going

692
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: to have to be on live television in front of

693
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: millions of people. Um, I would say a little bit

694
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: of both. I would say seeing her for the first

695
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: time very extremely nerve wracking, and then yeah, of course,

696
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,399
Speaker 1: knowing that you're live on television is I would say

697
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: it was probably fifty fifty. But I was also anticipating,

698
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: you know, getting up there, sitting next to her, seeing

699
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: her again, and I just wanted it to go well.

700
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: I wanted our interaction to go well. I wanted the

701
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 1: energy to be right. So do you feel like you

702
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: were able to get closure, Like, do you feel like

703
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: you got everything out of tonight that you wanted to

704
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: get out of tonight? Yeah. I think the conversation went well.

705
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: You know, we were able to kind of have a

706
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: little bit of a conversation up there. You know, I

707
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: was like, are you are you doing okay? You know,

708
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,439
Speaker 1: I apologize for the way things would happen. She said,

709
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 1: I wish she the best, nothing but the best, that

710
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. So I think the conversation went how

711
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: it was supposed to. I think we both said what

712
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: was needed to be said, and we can kind of,

713
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: you know, take things from there. Okay, even one thing

714
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: that stuck out to me, you know, because we're all

715
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: watching it back, and for I would say all of us,

716
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: this is the first time seeing your conversation with Rachel

717
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: towards the end, and one thing that stood out to

718
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,280
Speaker 1: me at least, and I think to Rachel too because

719
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: she she brought it up to you specifically during that

720
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: breakup you you had said something about like being caught

721
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: up in this and I think for me and maybe

722
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,800
Speaker 1: for Michelle, we can kind of understand a bit where

723
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: you were coming from when you said those words, because

724
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,879
Speaker 1: we've been in your shoes and you know, we've been

725
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:18,240
Speaker 1: contestants and also the lead. But to most of the viewers,

726
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: they haven't done this before, so they might not quite

727
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: understand what you meant when you said caught up. So

728
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: I would love to give you the chance to just

729
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: elaborate on that, to shed some light onto that, because

730
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 1: obviously Rachel was kind of caught off guard a bit

731
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 1: when when that was brought up. For sure, Yeah, I

732
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,399
Speaker 1: mean I think in that moment that was probably not

733
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: the first choice of words I should have gone with.

734
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: But you know what I was trying to, you know,

735
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: explain to her is that you know, we were going

736
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: through all of these different you know, dates, and we

737
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: were having all these different conversations, and things were just

738
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 1: progressing so perfectly with us, and I feel like, you know,

739
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: me feeling ready, that me feeling like we were ready

740
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: together to go through forward with an engagement. I felt,

741
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: you know, maybe that was coming from a place of

742
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: being just kind of caught up in all everything. So

743
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: when I had you know, that adequate time to kind

744
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 1: of sit there, evaluate where I was at, evaluate where

745
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: our relationship was at m I unfortunately didn't get the

746
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: chance to talk to her before meeting her family, but

747
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: I just had some you know, some time to think

748
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 1: about it, and I had some kind of new emotions

749
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: and some new thoughts that came to how I was feeling,

750
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: and that's what I expressed to her family. And then

751
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,959
Speaker 1: unfortunately I had to you know, talk to her after.

752
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: But I think, you know, once we had that conversation

753
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: on the couch in my room, after, I think something

754
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 1: started to really Resonnate. She started to understand where I

755
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: was coming from a little bit. Unfortunately, you know, she

756
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: still didn't see that being enough to you know, want

757
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: to move forward with me, so well I will. I mean,

758
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: I'm sure people are gonna you're gonna get all sides

759
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: of the gamut in people's thoughts and opinions after this.

760
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 1: That's just the nature of this beast. But I can

761
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 1: totally understand where you were coming from. It's it's a

762
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,720
Speaker 1: lot like you separate yourself from your family and friends

763
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 1: and normalcy, and you put yourself in what is essentially

764
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: a bubble, and you it's easy to get swept up

765
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: in the lights and the cameras and the most beautiful, romantic,

766
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 1: extravagant dates like So that's why I was saying I

767
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: can kind of feel where you were coming from, and

768
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: that I just wanted you to be able to elaborate

769
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: a bit more. And I don't think honestly, And people

770
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 1: can fault me for saying this and have their own

771
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: thoughts too, but I don't fault you for saying what

772
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: you did. Obviously it did catch her off guard, but

773
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 1: I think it was very honest in what you were

774
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 1: feeling in that moment. Yeah, you know, I appreciate you

775
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: saying that I was just trying to do the best

776
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: that I could in you know, just letting everybody know

777
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 1: where I was at, and you know, it obviously would

778
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: have worked out better, probably for the both of us

779
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 1: if I would have gotten the chance to speak to

780
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: her first, because hearing it from her family from me

781
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: first was probably the most difficult part for her. If

782
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: she would have heard it from me first, then you know,

783
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,879
Speaker 1: she could have made a decision on whether she wanted

784
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: me to meet her family or whatever the case may be.

785
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: So but I I just went in there. I just

786
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 1: have too much respect for people's family and for people's

787
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: feelings to to go in there and not tell them

788
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 1: where I was, where I was at in that moment.

789
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: So I just tried to do my best to tell

790
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: them where I was at, and you know, I had

791
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: to you know, of course communicate that to her after.

792
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: So it was it was cool. I think what's so

793
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,439
Speaker 1: hard too, is that it's just being honest like that,

794
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: especially when you are in an environment where it's it

795
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: is structured to some extent of you know, being vulnerable,

796
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: and it really does challenge you to open up. But

797
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: as quickly as feelings can grow, you can also have

798
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: these uneasy pieces pop up, and it is hard that

799
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 1: you don't have like all of this access to that

800
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 1: person that you know, talking to and like going outside

801
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: the mold per se of you know, how to handle

802
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: those situations, and even like looking back on it, do

803
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: you do you have any regrets? Do you wish that

804
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: you would have been able to, you know, pull Rachel

805
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 1: aside or you know, regardless of what was supposed to happen,

806
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: to make sure that you have that conversation before even

807
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: walking into talking to her family, and just do you

808
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 1: feel like you would have still gotten the chance to

809
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 1: meet her family if that would have happened. Yeah, you know,

810
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 1: I think the biggest regret I do have is just

811
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: just not communicating with her before with any chance that

812
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: I have, Like you said, even that little moment before

813
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 1: walking in there, I could have pulled her aside and said, hey, listen,

814
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: I just wanted to sit down real quick, let you

815
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 1: know where I'm at before we do this. Are you

816
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:27,879
Speaker 1: still going to want to go through with this if

817
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: I communicate this to you type of thing. So I

818
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: definitely do regret that, And then I told her out

819
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: there the same thing. But also just really not thinking

820
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: about what she wanted out of all of this was

821
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: something that I wasn't focusing enough on. You know, the

822
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 1: engagement aspect of it was very important to her. I

823
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: knew that was something that she wanted out of it,

824
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 1: and I wasn't kind of making that a priority when

825
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 1: I was thinking about myself, which was unfair to her

826
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: and unfair to us like together, you know what I mean.

827
00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: So I'm curious about this because it was very apparent

828
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: in your last conversation with her just how much she

829
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: wanted that engagement right and up until that point, you know,

830
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: I kind of just always assumed like, yeah, I'm sure

831
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 1: that's coming, that's what she wants. You know, this is

832
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: kind of the name of the game here and why

833
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: people come on this show. But I didn't realize it

834
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 1: was like, you know, such a deal breaker for her.

835
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: And I don't even want to use that word, but

836
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: I'm going to hear, just for context, such a deal

837
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: breaker for her. So did you get that sense? And

838
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: obviously there's so much that you lived through filming that

839
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: we will never see so throughout the entire season, did

840
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: you feel like it was to that extent er were

841
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 1: you also kind of shocked in that moment of like, oh,

842
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: this is like she is one thousand and ten percent

843
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: in this, like that is what she came here for.

844
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: Or was it more of a shock to you in

845
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: that last conversation. Yeah, I think. You know, I tried

846
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: to stress in that last conversation. You know, I wanted

847
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: to focus on the fact that I wasn't giving up

848
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 1: on our relationship just because of how with the way

849
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: things happened, what she had explained to me. I wanted

850
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: to continue our relationship and move forward and not fixate

851
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: so much on the engagement aspect of it, Like, let's

852
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 1: talk about our connection. Are we there yet? Are you

853
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 1: there with me? Like if I were to show up

854
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 1: and propose, like, are you going to agree to do

855
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: that with me? Are we at that point in our relationship?

856
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 1: So I tried to in that conversation reiterate that to

857
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: her and not fixate so much on the engagement. So

858
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: that was tough. I you know, I definitely had a

859
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 1: moment there when we were conversating that because of the

860
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 1: engagement aspect that she was kind of just quitting on us,

861
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: she was giving up on us a little bit and

862
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: not really giving us a chance to maybe let's take

863
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:43,879
Speaker 1: a day and think about it. Is can we move

864
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 1: forward from this? Is? Can we grow from this? Is

865
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,280
Speaker 1: this something that you know that we could do together?

866
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: And you know that that was just a big part

867
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 1: of it, and I understand where she was coming from.

868
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,720
Speaker 1: She it's not like she wasn't saying it from the beginning,

869
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's not like she had

870
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: just said that. She was saying that from day one,

871
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,439
Speaker 1: that that was thing that she wanted from this, and

872
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: I should have taken more accountability and more focus on that,

873
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: you know, when it came to, you know, communicating to

874
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: where I was at. I will say, though, I think

875
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,720
Speaker 1: the biggest part in this process is such a large

876
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: learning curve, and it's like you always want to stay

877
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: true to yourself. And even though in this situation you

878
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 1: felt like it wasn't communicated perfectly like that first time,

879
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: even being somebody who was watching it, you did specifically

880
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,959
Speaker 1: reiterate several times that I know that I can get there.

881
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 1: I just want to make sure that we take our

882
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: time to get there. So like that was very clear.

883
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,720
Speaker 1: It wasn't like I'm just tossing you to the side.

884
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: You were very much did kind of give some sort

885
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 1: of it's not safe in it. It's not the correct word,

886
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: but yeah, you know, like just confirmation or just validation

887
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,399
Speaker 1: of I want you, I just I want to take

888
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 1: our time Yeah, you know, I was fully confident that

889
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 1: if we would have continued on the trajectory that we

890
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: were on away from the show, in the real world, whatever,

891
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 1: whatever the words you want to use, is that we

892
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: would have gotten to that point. I had no doubt

893
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: in my mind there. We were on such a good path.

894
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,399
Speaker 1: Everything that we were doing together, we kept growing and growing,

895
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 1: learning more about each other. It felt very natural, even

896
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:15,280
Speaker 1: though a lot of the stuff that we did together

897
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 1: wasn't shown. But yeah, I felt like we could have

898
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: gotten to that point. And that's something that I was

899
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: trying to stress to her. And I think in that

900
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 1: moment she might have said, you know, she might have

901
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 1: felt like I was because I didn't want an engagement

902
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 1: at that specific time. She might have felt like I

903
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: was giving up on her, But that wasn't the case. Well,

904
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: I mean from both of you, you said the words

905
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: like I want to leave here with you, I want

906
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: to do this life with you. It's not like you

907
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,760
Speaker 1: were like, I can't quite get there. Got a bounce.

908
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 1: And on the flip side too, when you were saying

909
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,720
Speaker 1: these things, I don't think there was any love loss

910
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: like I think there was, and that's what's so hard

911
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: about certain breakups, especially in this environment, is there's still

912
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: so many what ifs of Like she even said you

913
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,800
Speaker 1: were the perfect guy, Like it could have been completely

914
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: different had you just been like, yeah, I'm ready for this,

915
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: it's the and I don't want to go down that

916
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 1: rabbit hole. But watching it back tonight, she made the comment,

917
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: I think, you know, once you had already left separately,

918
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 1: where she was like, I saw him at the end

919
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,879
Speaker 1: of this, like I saw the life together. And I'm

920
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 1: trying to think of like the exact words that she had,

921
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 1: but basically saying she saw you and her at the

922
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,919
Speaker 1: end of that end of this journey at one point

923
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: towards the end, Yeah, she saw us being you know,

924
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: the end, Yeah, exactly. So what was what was it

925
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: like than hearing that back and watching that for the

926
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: first time tonight, I mean it was it was tough

927
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: because you know, you always the way things ended between us,

928
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 1: you always, you know, it's always the what if what

929
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: if I would have did this? What if I would

930
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: have said that? And hearing her say that, you know,

931
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,839
Speaker 1: was a little bit of validation of knowing if maybe

932
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 1: I would have winned things a different way that you know,

933
00:47:58,440 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: we would have left together, we would have been in

934
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 1: relationship right now, which is tough to hear. But you know,

935
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: again going back to the engagement aspect of it, you know,

936
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,479
Speaker 1: another thing is I wasn't going to drag her into

937
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: a proposal that I wasn't one invested in at that time.

938
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: I didn't think that was fair to her. So I

939
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: think that had a lot to do with it as well.

940
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 1: But that was definitely difficult to hear that at one point,

941
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 1: you know, she saw us as as the finish and

942
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,760
Speaker 1: that she was thinking about, you know, moving forward outside

943
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: of all. Yeah, you know, this whole entire journey, you

944
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 1: just I mean, you learned so much even from when

945
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 1: you start versus tonight when you end, and if you know,

946
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: it doesn't necessarily end how you particularly picture it at

947
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: one time. But what would you say is the highlight

948
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: of your journey or what you even learn the most,

949
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: and then what your low light was? Whatever that is highlights?

950
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: It's like where do I get or you can just

951
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: do two positives if you want. I mean, I definitely

952
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: think one of the highlights, you know, going into this

953
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 1: whole experience, I was never the kind of person who

954
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: was like so quick to be like, hey, this is

955
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: how I feel, this is where I'm at, this is

956
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: something very personal about myself so early on. So I

957
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: think it taught me a lot about how important that

958
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: is when you're getting to know somebody and trying to

959
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: build a relationship with someone, because if you don't let

960
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 1: people know how you're feeling, you're not going to get anywhere,

961
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I learned that through this.

962
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 1: We didn't have many low points. I mean, obviously that ending,

963
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 1: the ending to us was so challenging for me, even

964
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 1: the couple days in between after meeting her family and

965
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 1: anticipating that conversation. That last conversation we had was probably

966
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: my lowest point. I was upset with myself, I was

967
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: upset at the situation. I was down, I was stressing

968
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:52,359
Speaker 1: about what I was going to say. So I think

969
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 1: that was definitely the lowest part of the whole The

970
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:59,399
Speaker 1: whole experience for me was was that, well, now that

971
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: part has come to an end. I mean, the world

972
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: is your oyster at this point. There's so many things

973
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:07,879
Speaker 1: in your future that I think you have to look

974
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 1: forward to, but I just want to know kind of

975
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: what's next for you. Are you still looking for love,

976
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 1: like where is your head and your heart at? Yeah,

977
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 1: you know, right now, obviously it was a lot getting

978
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,839
Speaker 1: through this, getting through the ending. But yeah, I'm just

979
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 1: kind of, you know, living life right now, doing my

980
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: own thing, back to work. You know, I lived in

981
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,760
Speaker 1: San Diego. There's a lot of people in San Diego

982
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: from from the fence. Though it's sad there's too many

983
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 1: of us many. That's wild though I didn't know that.

984
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Okay, well, we'll definitely grab drinks. I will

985
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:44,280
Speaker 1: send you do like wine. I do like one. Okay,

986
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,320
Speaker 1: I have my wineline. I will send you some wine

987
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: if you want any. Um. I was on Twitter for

988
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: a little bit tonight, just you know, seeing what the

989
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: world had to say about this finale part one, and

990
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of people were there supporting you,

991
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: and so I think, like, obviously we didn't see a

992
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 1: ton of you throughout the entire season until really this episode,

993
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: which is unfortunate. But I'm so glad that we were

994
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 1: able to finally have you on tonight. Yeah, I'm yeah,

995
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 1: I'm kind of glad that, you know, we got through it. Um,

996
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: But yeah, I really appreciate you guys saying that it

997
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:16,720
Speaker 1: means a lot, So, I mean, we're good at aven fans,

998
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: don't worry. Even. It was so fun having you on.

999
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: Hopefully now you can move on from all of this

1000
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 1: and start your next chapter. I mean, hopefully this isn't

1001
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,879
Speaker 1: the last week's team of you. There's always paradise and

1002
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna just start up there even for

1003
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 1: about sure. Yeah, we'll see, we'll see. Um, yeah, you're

1004
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: talking to you guys. I appreciate it. All right, Well

1005
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: hang in there, go go celebrate now, go pop some

1006
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: shampagoe have fun. Okay, Well, Michelle, a little two for

1007
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 1: one action tonight with Tofur and Avan. I know that

1008
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: was fun. That was really such different personalities, which I

1009
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,760
Speaker 1: like totally. I'm just so happy. I mean, I obviously

1010
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: love of having just guests who are fans on. It's

1011
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: so fun to pick their brain and just get another

1012
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 1: point of view. But I also am so happy we

1013
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 1: had Even because we have been wanting him since the beginning. Right,

1014
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:16,879
Speaker 1: here's somebody that caught our e since the beginning. No,

1015
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,320
Speaker 1: it was it was fun. Next week is going to

1016
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: be Wildtown, So I'm so glad we're gonna actually be

1017
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:28,720
Speaker 1: together in studio recording the final episode of this season,

1018
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: and I can't wait to be with you. I'm gonna

1019
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: need to hold your hand and a glass of wine.

1020
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: Probably the entire time. I was gonna say Bachelor Happy Hour,

1021
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 1: like emphasis on the happy hour here next week because

1022
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: we are going to have a drink in hand. That's

1023
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: the only way we're getting I'm gonna be a little

1024
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 1: too handsy with the drinks, but I feel like we're

1025
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: gonna need it. Oh absolutely, I know. Make sure you.

1026
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make sure you wear your old of what

1027
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: is they called the sweat block, bring my sweatblock. Oh

1028
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: my god, I'm like sweating just thinking about it. Right,

1029
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 1: my heart rate, heart rates are going to be up.

1030
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: We know too much, Okay, but I'm telling everyone right now,

1031
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a wild final episode. Don't forgestitute it.

1032
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:14,399
Speaker 1: It's next Tuesday, not Monday. Don't get it twisted. There's

1033
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot that happens, and in the words

1034
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 1: of Jesse Palmer, it might just be the most dramatic

1035
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: season finale yet. So on that note, Michelle, I love you,

1036
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 1: Thank you, and even bigger thank you to all of

1037
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: our Bachelor Happy Hour listeners, and also to Boctober and

1038
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: Aven for being here and everybody, don't forget that. You

1039
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 1: can catch the new but final episode of The Bachelor

1040
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: next Tuesday on ABC or Hulu, and make sure to

1041
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: hit us up on social. You can follow us at

1042
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 1: Bachelor Happy Hour on Instagram and from there you'll find

1043
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:47,800
Speaker 1: everything you need to know to follow us on Twitter

1044
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:52,000
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1045
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 1: Amazon Music, or wherever you listen, and you can always

1046
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: listen ad free by subscribing to Wondering plus an Apple

1047
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 1: Podcasts or the Wondering App. Thank you everyone, and see

1048
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 1: you next week. See you next Yes, do this thing

1049
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: just like you said, best oh Man. Yes, Yes,