WEBVTT - Punisher: One Last Kill 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:05.880 Oh morning. Today's episode contains spoilers for Pull. 0:00:05.760 --> 0:00:10.240 Rootose Girl, Will those Kill? Let Me Girl? Wore Those Killers? 0:00:10.240 --> 0:00:12.400 Cool with We're Girl? We We're Girl. 0:00:12.720 --> 0:00:30.880 Oh Hello, it was Jason Catepsio and I'm Rosy night. 0:00:31.440 --> 0:00:33.120 And welcome back to ext vision of the podcast. We 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:35.280 have DVD baby Jews, movies, comics and pop culture coming 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:37.280 even my our podcast. We're bringing three episodes. We listen 0:00:37.320 --> 0:00:37.920 news on Saturday. 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:41.319 Oh my gosh. Okay. In today's episode, like. 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:44.239 Can I just say this is there's a crazy way 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:45.880 to wake up in the morning, guys, because we have 0:00:46.040 --> 0:00:48.720 to wake up in the morning, watch this at nine am, 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:50.920 and then record this episode so it would be ready 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:52.920 for you on time. And I gotta tell you what 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:55.080 are the craziest ways to wake up is to watch this? 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:57.720 So I tell you about. 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:01.280 The forty eight minute Punish your special by who apparently 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:06.480 a right top. He wrote the bear used the ostler 0:01:06.560 --> 0:01:09.240 a couple of times in that special. Luckily that doesn't 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:11.280 make it in here, but that will be some things 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:14.480 you never thought you would see on a Disney production 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:17.480 in Punisher one lost kill, So we're gonna recap it 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:18.160 super quickly. 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:20.319 Then we can have some general thoughts, because this is 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:21.440 a crazy project. 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:25.880 Crazy okay, So here's the general thoughts. The punisher is 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:29.119 going through a mental health crisis in his basement, really 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:38.399 not cutting, he's self cutting. He's he's he's hallucinating his family. Meanwhile, outside, 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:42.440 there is a general mental health crisis going on in 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:47.360 the streets of New York due to reasons that are 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:52.240 left unclear, but are probably because of the failing and 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:56.640 non existent mental health social safety net in the city 0:01:56.760 --> 0:01:57.640 and around the country. 0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:00.960 Let's think about toime, like, is this similar time to 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:01.560 Dad Evil? 0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:05.120 Is this pre Dad Levil? I'm glad you was Wilson 0:02:05.120 --> 0:02:05.880 Fisk the mayor? 0:02:05.960 --> 0:02:13.040 Is it? Timeline positioning is directly follows born Against season 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:16.520 one when he was imprisoned by Wilson Fisk. So this 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:19.400 is about the trauma of him being in the cage, 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:22.600 the Wilson Fisk cage. He's been out and now he's 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:26.079 all these emotions are coming up. So there's a lot 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:31.920 of uh unhoused individuals experiencing mental health crisis is in 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:32.359 the streets. 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:36.640 It's absolutely Have you seen BoA's Afraid the Ariaskta movie. 0:02:36.720 --> 0:02:40.040 It begins the same way, essentially exactly as this, it's 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:43.800 like a Fox News nightmare. AI cup of what people 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:47.440 think are very much like the city is in hell. 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:53.280 You know, is so crazy to yeah, you have to 0:02:53.400 --> 0:02:55.200 stop so with all. 0:02:55.639 --> 0:02:58.640 Well, yeah, so it's like, you know, there's unhoused individuals 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:02.399 coming into local coffee jobs and having mental health episodes, 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:06.280 and at the same time there are white nationalist gangs 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:11.280 running around killing announced individuals pets and attacking them in 0:03:11.360 --> 0:03:12.040 the streets. 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:14.040 Oh yeah, so I would say as well, we actually 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:15.840 have a lot of people who use the website. 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:16.880 Does the dog. 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:20.239 Die A dog dies with them doty seconds of their 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:23.360 And you can probably go from there on where the 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:27.840 tone is so wanting that your person who's into that. 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:34.200 Frank Castle is disassociating. When he goes out into the streets, 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:38.560 he's not reacting to the violence and the chaos. He 0:03:38.680 --> 0:03:41.080 just wants his coffee and his Danish and he wants 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:43.040 to go home, and then he wants to go to 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:46.560 the graveyard and he wants to cry at the grave 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:49.280 of his family. He goes and is there. 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:52.800 He has two kids. You know, I have to say sorry, 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:55.080 I thought and he had one bot he really. 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:59.840 Only cares about the daughter, baby girl. 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:02.840 I have to say, like I. 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:05.480 Am, I'm having a terrible realization here, and I'm sure 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:07.720 many are the millennial women will have it, but like 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:11.760 John benthal is like the exact kind of guy that 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:14.560 you should never ever sleep with, right like. 0:04:14.560 --> 0:04:15.280 From our era. 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:19.440 The music in this Karen, I wish you would fucking 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:22.400 listen because like the music choices or anything. 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:26.320 This show opens with. 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:34.880 John Berenthal, sweaty, like Jim maxing himself to Danzig singing mother, 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:37.440 it's like the worst guy. 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:41.080 At the rock club. 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:45.720 That's John Berenthal, I've realized for watching this women. 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:55.200 And so the punisher is at the graveyard. He's kind 0:04:55.200 --> 0:05:01.240 of he's hallucinating is his family. He's seeing in graphic 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:04.200 detail how they were murdered by the mob, and he's 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:08.160 very sad. He he leaves the graveyard and he encounters 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:12.840 Judas Light my mother and who's the boss and who 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:16.599 Nucci here? She's in a wheelchair and she tells, Frank, 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:20.159 you killed all my husband and my son and all 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:21.640 my family. 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:24.039 And I just want to say, you killed by one 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:25.720 son who was a pedophile. But I was cool with 0:05:25.800 --> 0:05:27.280 him being a pedophile. 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:31.839 Like he was a pedophile. But it wasn't true. 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:34.880 It was a true. Yeah, they're definitely trying to lean 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:38.120 into that goth and it's like tone here. We even 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:40.520 get a beginning. There's a very there's a line at 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:44.200 the beginning graphic set. Yeah, and they say, Nucci the 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:47.800 nut cheese are you know? The nu chiese gorillas are gone? 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:49.680 And that's because then the crazy goth and his stuff, 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:51.839 Punished has to fight his way through like a zoo 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:53.600 and this polar bas and gorillas and all kinds of 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:55.840 crazy stuff. We get this nod to how fucked up 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:58.280 the nut cheese are here? With that mentioned about. 0:05:58.080 --> 0:05:59.000 Car Loost before. 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:02.599 By the way, Punish just stamped through this teenage boy's head. 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:05.000 That's how we see that he killed him later on 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:07.039 when they reveal it, like it's insane. 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:11.960 So so the Punisher killed Manu's entire family, and she's 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:15.360 mad and she says, guess what, Frank, She accosts him 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:18.279 in the street, so guess what I'm coming for you. 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:20.960 I'm sending my forces after you. Why didn't she just 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:23.159 kill him right there? And why did she let him know? 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:24.680 Why did she give him the heads up? 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:27.919 She happens Barry, who could obviously just snap him in 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:29.480 half like a twig up. 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:32.000 Walk up behind him and just shoot him in the head. 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:35.280 Tell sad story, then shoot him and then why. I'll 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:37.920 tell you why. Jay said she went to Blockbuster, she 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:40.599 got that two for one special, she got the Raid, 0:06:41.200 --> 0:06:44.800 she got Judge dread and she the two thousand dreaded 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:48.239 very much and she said, Hey, I've got an idea. 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:49.440 This is a cool idea. 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:51.039 Well, if you had to kill a bunch of people 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:53.679 in a tower block, never been done before, John Burnhor, 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:55.960 I know you were watching The Raid. I also know 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:58.760 you were definitely watching John Wick because there's just this 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:02.839 kind of like my Nucci enlists like this gangs of 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:05.920 massed killers who apparently just live in New York. 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:06.239 Again. 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:08.440 I was saying in the group chat like they're gonna 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:11.360 show this to our real life president and be like 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:13.600 this is why you can't be nice to Zoren, Like 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:14.960 this is how people. 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:16.240 Think it is to live in a city if you 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:16.840 don't live there. 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:19.640 I honestly think this is a crazy show to release 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:21.640 right now, Like, are you slowing my mind? 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:25.320 No, it actually makes a lot of logical sense. It does, 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:28.560 it does right now, which is why this is it's 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:31.800 crazy that we live in this world. But okay, so uh, 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:35.440 John burns All goes home and he experiences an even deeper, 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:41.320 more intense mental health crisis, and with Karen, who is 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:44.640 either there or not there. It's unclear at first if 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:45.560 she was really there. 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:48.560 They want to make they make it seem. I think 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:51.640 like this is at least based on a memory. 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:55.160 That he had with Yes, some kind of connection with Camp. 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:58.160 Was there at some point, maybe she has visited him. 0:07:58.200 --> 0:08:00.000 Are so how many fucking basements does this guy? 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:02.240 So she brings him back to the light. 0:08:02.680 --> 0:08:06.800 She's basically like, bro, if you stay alive and protect 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:09.040 your city, I'm gonna fuck you. And he's like, are 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:12.880 you really here? And she's like, I'm always here? Definitely, 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:15.120 they already funk. I mean one thing, I will say 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:17.360 the one thing that was worthwhile. 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:26.000 This scene was actually like. 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:28.240 The only worthwhile thing out of this special for me. 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:31.440 Like Karen, they have such good chemistry. I love it 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:34.160 to see that moment of I mean, John Benthal is 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:36.760 a great actor, Like I just think like, let him 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:39.480 stay acting. And also ironic for a man who hates 0:08:39.600 --> 0:08:42.040 naps that this special could literally just be called The 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:44.679 Punisher needs a nap, Like literally say you know what 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:47.120 to do if you're having hallucinations, just have a nap, 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:49.160 Like that's the first thing, first place to start. 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:51.040 Just go back to sleep. This man is not sleeping. 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:54.080 We'll be back to talk more Punisher, one last kill, 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:55.280 God help us. 0:08:55.880 --> 0:09:12.480 After the break. We're back. 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:13.640 Maybe we're back. 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:19.760 So Karen hallucinated. Karen basically gives Frank a pep talk 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:24.679 and Frank snaps to it to the to the sounds 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:30.200 of Hate Breeds Rise to My Feet, which is the 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:32.760 favorite song of every Huntington Beach nazi. 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:35.120 I was gonna say, like, this. 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:38.160 Is literally like even if you're a Hate Breed fan, right, 0:09:38.160 --> 0:09:39.520 and I grew up in London, there was a lot 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:40.200 of Hate Breed fans. 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:42.400 I grew up in the hardcore scene if you didn't know. 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:45.720 But like, the thing to me about it that's crazy 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:48.160 is like this specific. 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:50.840 Song, I will be heard, this expeci will be I 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:55.000 will be heard. This has such connotations to me. And 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:56.920 the next like I'm not gonna lie. 0:09:57.000 --> 0:09:59.240 First act of this movie, I actually thought it was 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:01.520 really interesting thing and I was kind of involved. I 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:04.080 really like the Karen scene from here on out, even 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:07.920 though I love action. This they're trying to replicate that 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:10.280 garth Ennis like cartoony violence. 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:13.320 But I just don't know how much. 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:16.800 Stomach myself or the general public has for a white 0:10:16.800 --> 0:10:20.080 guy with a shotgun going around the projects killing people. Now, 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:22.200 it is a very diverse group of people that he kills. 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:25.040 He kills a lot of white people. But there are 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:27.560 some moments where I'm just like, what is this? Like, 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:31.360 why does this exist? And what is it bringing us? 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:33.719 I mean, the only way to really engage with this 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:37.520 is either it is basically as like a Tom and Jerry. 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:40.320 You gotta be Looney Tunes, right, That's what I think. 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:42.680 It does kind of get there, it's at a certain point, 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:46.600 although it is extremely graphic. So Karen gets him to 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:49.880 his feet, he goes out just as man Nucci's forced 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:52.240 to come in, and he goes on a massive, massive 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:54.120 killing everybody. 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:56.120 You gotta start with how he gets out because they're 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:57.680 gonna set his door on fire. 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:00.440 They stirs through like this. 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:02.560 He's like, wait, I'm gonna wait, and he waits, and 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:04.840 then he waits till he's on fire. 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:08.880 Then he runs through, get saves his neighbour's little kid, 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:10.880 and they make sure all his neighbors are people of color, 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:12.480 so you feel less bad about when he smashes a 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:14.880 black persson's head through a fucking glass thing and drags 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:15.640 their throat over it. 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:16.800 It's a very violent thing. 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:18.760 The thing that's blowing my mind the most about this 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:23.400 Disney went from we will never have anything that's not 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:27.840 distinctly child friendly to we are gonna have well. I 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:32.200 think is probably the most violent studio release of the year. 0:11:32.280 --> 0:11:34.760 I don't see any other big studio putting out anything 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:37.840 as violent as this on that platform that any kid 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:38.520 can access. 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:40.199 I think that's kind of crazy. 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:42.400 But yeah, so he goes on this crazy spring he 0:11:42.520 --> 0:11:45.280 kills people with guns, with knives, I would say too 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:47.760 many guns. 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:51.920 He's kills and is killing the white supremacists as well 0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:56.600 when they attack the local coffee shop, and there's an 0:11:56.679 --> 0:11:59.480 absolutely lunatine scene where he stabs a guy like a 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:02.880 million and the neck and the guts and then everywhere 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:06.400 and his the guy is dead and bleeding out, the 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:09.120 skinhead guy on the on the fucking counter of the 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:13.200 family coffee shop, and then the little the daughter of 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:16.400 the coffee shop owner, who, of course Frank is like 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:19.400 making connections with his own deceased daughter. 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:20.720 And yeah, baby. 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:27.000 Baby girl hallucinating his daughter all throughout the masker, She's like, 0:12:27.040 --> 0:12:29.360 I want to give you something. There's a dead man 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:32.880 bleeding out five feet away and. 0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:36.000 They killed like they killed. 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:38.600 He killed like seven people in that including. 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:43.720 It's like an absolutely blood drenched and they. 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:47.959 They keep being like, thank you, thank you. I'm like, no, 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:50.680 get out, and I remember. 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:53.800 That goes on and then at the end Frank puts 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:59.040 on his new punisher, his new punisher uniform that we 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:00.600 will see in Brand New Day. 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:07.920 He has a crisp, crisp mate shape line. He's got 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:12.400 a precision Who is doing Frank? I think where I 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:14.800 think the doughnut shop family hooked him up after he 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:15.400 saved them. 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:20.560 I gotta know, is he going to Luke? So I 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:20.800 don't know. 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:27.440 I hate to see it because honestly, I think this 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:29.800 is a very irresponsible piece of media. 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:32.000 But you're looking fine us out and you know what 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:35.199 the worst thing is. The worst thing is they end 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:39.560 this fucking ship. Yeah it is a white supremacist. So 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:41.480 I do want to say I'm proud of this in 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:42.440 a general. 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:46.200 Sense, but like the end of this episode is the 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:47.120 old Man. 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:49.880 Loved this guy, the old homeless dude whose hat was stolen. 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:52.600 He sees Bubbs from Bubbs from the wire. 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:55.840 Yeah, we basically get a full SoCal moment here, whether 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:58.439 it begins with him having his dog murdered and then 0:13:58.480 --> 0:13:59.960 it ends with him getting a. 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:02.680 No, no sorry the other man. You have the homeless man, who's. 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:04.800 The homeless man at the beginning, but not Bubbs from 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:07.840 the wire, who's the coffee shop excuse me? So then 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:13.480 we end in a situation where the coffee shop, I mean, 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:16.360 where the homeless guy gets his hat back from the 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:18.360 white supremacist Frank gets it back with me. 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:20.400 Frank is a supremacist guy. 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:25.000 And then but then the homeless guy says, don't do it. No, 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:29.800 he doesn't. Incorrect. The homeless guy says he well. 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:32.880 No, first no, no, no, first no, because first Frank 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:35.160 is like, you know what, I'm a different guy now 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:38.560 I talk to Karen in the hallucination and I'm not 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:43.120 just like straight up killing people willy nilly. I'm gonna 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:46.280 let this white supremacist go. And so he's gonna let 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:46.560 him go. 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:47.680 He's gonna let you go. 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:51.080 But then the guy, then, the homeless guy, says he 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:53.160 took more from me than the just the. 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:56.120 Hat and then and then Frank is like, okay, bitch, 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:58.360 so I'm gonna throw a knife and this guy's back 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:01.320 in the middle of the street, and then he just 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:06.040 shoots this guy in the head extra judicial killing. Shoots 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:08.120 this guy in the head, and then it goes to 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:09.120 the Punisher logo. 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:12.840 One thing I liked about that was the homeless guy 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:14.800 didn't even say. 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:15.080 What it was. 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:19.480 No, it was literally like, well he took more from 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:22.320 me from that than that, and the Punishers was like, Okay. 0:15:22.160 --> 0:15:22.400 I know. 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:25.160 I like the idea that he's basically gonna be like 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:26.880 taking this guy's word for it. 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:30.280 I like the neighborhood neighborhood attack dog. 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:31.920 I like that. 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:35.600 But yeah, this is an insane piece of television, and 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:39.560 I actually really is. It feels completely crazy to release 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:44.280 this right now, especially I feel like, oh man, I don't. 0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:46.560 Even know if I'm gonna survive the discourse from this one. 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:49.000 But anyway, let's start our own discourse after this break. 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:50.480 Let's say, yeah, let's take a break and we'll be 0:15:50.600 --> 0:16:10.680 river and we're back. Okay, Well, a couple of things 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:13.120 before we really dive in. First of all, you were 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:17.440 right this this, I guess episode of or one shot. 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:18.240 What are we gonna call this? 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:21.560 I think not calling them like mob a special presentation. 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:21.960 But this. 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:27.120 Right was directed by Ronaldo Marcus Green and written by 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:33.400 John Berenthal and Green, And here are John's statements about it. 0:16:33.840 --> 0:16:36.680 First of all, the official log line is as Frank 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:40.680 Castle searches for meaning beyond revenge, an unexpected force pulls 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:44.080 him back into the fight, which I guess is Karen No. 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:50.000 I think the unexpected force is Manucci Ah, like a kid. 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:51.120 I don't know, unclear. 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:56.920 I think they didn't know how to write Frank Castle 0:16:57.080 --> 0:16:59.960 kills one hundred and fifty people an explicit way. 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:06.320 So John was really, first of all, here's the way 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:11.160 to understand this one shot, the only way to get 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:14.520 it made with John Berenthal, And clearly they want to 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:17.359 do it with John Berenthal. And he's invested in the character, 0:17:17.760 --> 0:17:22.520 but only if he gets to explore the psychological trauma side. 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:28.159 So he could do the John Berenthal gruns, I'd like 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:33.000 cut himself. And so John has stated in various interviews 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:36.880 that he quote he wants. He wanted to quote a visceral, 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:40.359 psychologically complex on forgiving no holds barred version of Frank 0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:42.760 where he's going to turn his back to the audience 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:45.280 and nothing is easy and all violence has a cost, 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:46.200 and we're going to see. 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:48.080 The costs cost. 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:51.720 The cost is Frank's own mental health. And so I 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:55.720 think what they wanted to do was create this, create 0:17:56.000 --> 0:18:02.560 a picture of Frank Castle as a severely mentally unwell, 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:09.640 extremely emotionally tortured individual who can only express his pain 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:10.240 by killing. 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:16.200 Yes, that's my thing. I don't And the thing is, look, 0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:19.560 I'm not gonna lie. Twenty five year old Rosie maybe 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:22.720 maybe would have found a way to just totally love 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:26.200 this because it is extremely violent, it is extravagant, it's crazy, 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:30.760 it's cartoonish. But I just I don't think it adds anything. 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:32.840 Like Iam was saying this in our chatley, What does 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:37.000 it tell us about Frank Castle other than now he's 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:39.880 more willing than ever to just kill someone on the street. 0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:42.359 I guess I think is it setting him up to 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:44.840 be like a truly scary punisher, so then we can 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:47.520 see how much his relationship with Spider Man impacts him 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:49.920 when he becomes more of a street friendly hero. 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:51.520 I'm just very interested. 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:53.480 This does not feel like how you set up what 0:18:53.520 --> 0:18:55.840 could be the biggest kids movie of the year. 0:18:56.359 --> 0:18:59.800 I think, for I think you're looking at this all wrong. 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:03.400 Of course, what they're what they're what it's telling us 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:06.800 is less about Frank and more about Disney. That Disney 0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:09.840 is saying, now is the time to fully embrace the 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:12.520 way the Punisher has always been depicted in the comics. 0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:15.560 This is how, this is the Punisher, This is the 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:16.960 comics punishment you. 0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:17.840 Need about it. 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:24.280 This is him, this is what it is a conversation now, 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:30.280 I will say that me personally, my Punisher has always 0:19:30.480 --> 0:19:34.440 kind of been more of the or you know, Jim 0:19:34.520 --> 0:19:36.320 Lee Punisher War Journal. 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:40.600 Like the more calculating when he was working with micro chip, 0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:43.520 you know what I mean, My jor my favorite punishes 0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:45.560 when he is saving all those babies and he's like 0:19:45.640 --> 0:19:49.280 juggling them all the you know, just like a more 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:53.439 more like a more just as ruthless, just as violent, 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:56.800 but less like emotionally tortured. But like I guess this 0:19:56.840 --> 0:19:59.360 is I'm going to say, it's not necessarily not in. 0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:01.960 The I'm no, but I want to say the fans 0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:03.879 I have to say, I think John Bernhall might be 0:20:03.920 --> 0:20:07.080 surprised a lot of the men and the male fanboy, 0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:09.640 the Wednesday warrior type who they I think they think. 0:20:09.440 --> 0:20:10.360 They're making this for. 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:12.919 They were all like, oh my God, please give us 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:16.359 a non tortured punisher, like that's all we've gotten in 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:17.200 the MCU. 0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:23.560 You know, I don't disagree. I'm curious because I think, again, 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:25.520 I think this is less about telling you something about 0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:30.840 the Punisher and more about Marvel Disney sagree saying we 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:33.479 are going to embrace what the Punisher has always been. 0:20:33.480 --> 0:20:37.399 We're going to do a comic accurate punisher because of 0:20:37.600 --> 0:20:40.560 reasons in the culture and the wider culture in society. 0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:43.200 We think this is the time people will accept it. 0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:45.720 Not just that at what you can argue it's a 0:20:45.760 --> 0:20:49.240 really easy thing to argue plausible deniability about because you 0:20:49.280 --> 0:20:51.520 can go, well, the punisher isn't a cop, and the 0:20:51.520 --> 0:20:54.879 punisher is actually a vigilante, so maybe there's something radical 0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:58.439 and subversive there. But at the same time we know 0:20:58.920 --> 0:21:00.960 they also know that they're going to be appealing to 0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:04.800 the market, like using that I will be Heard song, 0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:07.679 like they also use Levillon Rose, which is really funny, 0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:09.520 like classic, slow down classical. 0:21:09.520 --> 0:21:10.320