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Speaker 1: On this week's episode of Cultivating her Space.

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Speaker 2: My definition of self care is doing what you need

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Speaker 2: to do to show up as your favorite version of yourself.

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Speaker 2: And then, if we kind of narrow that down a

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Speaker 2: little bit of self care practice is identifying and addressing

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Speaker 2: your needs on a regular and routine basis.

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Speaker 1: Today's episode is sure to provide you with motivation, inspiration,

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Cultivating her Space, a podcast dedicated to uplifting

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Speaker 3: women like you. We're your hosts, doctor Dominique Broussard, a

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Speaker 3: college professor and psychologist.

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Speaker 1: And Terry Lomax, a techie and motivational speaker. In a

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Speaker 1: world where black women are often misrepresented and misunderstood, please

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Speaker 1: All Right, lady, we have a very special guest in

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Speaker 1: Cultivating her Space today. We're gonna tell you a little

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Speaker 1: juicy conversation. G Michelle Goodlow is a licensed clinical social

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Speaker 1: worker and an experienced project manager dedicated to helping others

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Speaker 1: the owner and psychotherapist of the Essence of Healing, LLC,

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Speaker 1: a private therapeutic practice based in Atlanta, Georgia that provides

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Speaker 1: individual and coupled psychotherapy to adult residents in both Georgia

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Speaker 1: resource website Gmichelle dot com, which offers busy caring people

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Speaker 1: private organizations that experience challenges with addressing selfie, hair, compassion fatigue,

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Speaker 1: and professional burnouts. Michelle, Welcome to Cultivating her Space.

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Speaker 2: We are so excited to have you here. Yes, thank

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Speaker 2: you guys so much for having me. I'm so excited

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Speaker 2: to speak to y'all today.

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Speaker 3: So we are going to jump right in with our

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Speaker 3: quote of the day, which, Michelle, will sound really familiar

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Speaker 3: to you because these are your words. We've been all

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Speaker 3: up in your book, on your social media, all of it.

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Speaker 3: Just because I can do it all doesn't mean I

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna just leave it right there.

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Speaker 3: That right there, Michelle, when you wrote those words, what

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Speaker 3: was the inspiration? Because I think about all of the

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Speaker 3: work that you do and the amazing things that you're

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Speaker 3: encouraging us to do to take care of ourselves, what

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Speaker 3: behind that quote, and I even would view it as

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Speaker 3: why do I feel like I have to do it all?

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Speaker 3: Like each of those words is intentional. Why am I

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Speaker 2: Of doing all the veins? That's really the core of

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Speaker 2: that piece and one of the many inspirations to why

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Speaker 2: I created I Own my Magic self talk to black

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Speaker 3: Shell is already speaking to our spirits. I'm already like, hmm,

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Speaker 1: not full. Right. So we're going to dive in a

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Michelle for sharing that, because I

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Speaker 3: do think that there's so many of us who spend

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Speaker 3: and at what point did you say, Okay, I love

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Speaker 3: look at I'm what's going on with me? And what

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Speaker 2: I actually shared this particular story in my second book,

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Speaker 2: which I self published called the Self Care Investment. In

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Speaker 2: So my aha moment did not come from myself. It

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Speaker 2: Man, there are so many answers quoting in my mind

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Speaker 2: Okay? And then number two, if you are taking time

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Speaker 2: for yourself, that means you're selfish. That means you don't care.

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Speaker 2: And again, I feel like even in the spaces I

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Speaker 2: was learning that narrative still existed. It was like hanging

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Speaker 2: over like a dark cloud, and I'm like, I shouldn't

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Speaker 2: be years into my career having to interrupt that, but

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Speaker 2: here we are interrupting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so powerful. I have a question for you, Michelle.

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Speaker 1: I will say that from what you've shared and from

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Speaker 1: my personal experience, it sounds like holding space for ourselves

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Speaker 1: and having that me time is crucial.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: And one of the things that I thought about, or

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Speaker 1: one of the things you mentioned, is intentional self care,

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Speaker 1: and I've been reflecting on like the nail shot, Right.

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Speaker 1: The nail shot for me is always been like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go do self care, but it isn't

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Speaker 1: really self care in the way that I envision it

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Speaker 1: because sometimes it's a little anxiety inducing. I'm watching to

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Speaker 1: make sure they're not, you know, pricking me and poking me,

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Speaker 1: and it's like it's a good It's something that I

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Speaker 1: like to do to treat myself, but I wouldn't necessarily

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Speaker 1: compare it to like a massage.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: So when you talk about intentional self care, what does

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Speaker 1: that look like and how can someone find their their

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Speaker 1: self care practice when you know some people try to

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Speaker 1: recommend self care and like, well, that's not really for me.

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Speaker 1: How can they explore and find things that do meet

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Speaker 1: their needs for self care?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Oh, so much wonderful stuff to unpack there. Let me

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Speaker 2: first start by saying, I'm not into self care shaming.

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Speaker 2: Like I've seen a lot of stuff on social media

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Speaker 2: and it's like, oh, getting a massage and getting your

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Speaker 2: nails done is not self care, And I was like,

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Speaker 2: says who, says who? That's nothing like having with fresh doo. Okay,

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Speaker 2: get your hair done by somebody you trust in a

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Speaker 2: meaningful time and price. Anyway, getting off topic, So, no

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Speaker 2: self care shaming. What I instead want to focus on

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Speaker 2: is the definition of a self care practice. So there's

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Speaker 2: self care. My definition of self care is doing what

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Speaker 2: you need to do to show up as your favorite

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Speaker 2: version of yourself. And then if we kind of narrow

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Speaker 2: that down a little bit, a self care practice is

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Speaker 2: identifying and addressing your needs on a regular and routine basis.

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Speaker 2: So again, self care doing what you need to do

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Speaker 2: to show up as your favorite version of yourself. Right,

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of things that could be included in that,

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Speaker 2: but the actual practice of that is identifying and addressing

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Speaker 2: your needs on a regular basis, because if you are

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Speaker 2: consistently as much as you can checking in on what

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Speaker 2: you need and then addressing those needs again, it's a

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Speaker 2: two parter. With that, then you're doing on a routine basis,

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Speaker 2: your self care practice will be intentional. So I'm so

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Speaker 2: glad you reflected on sometimes your experiences with getting your

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Speaker 2: nails done. How I heard it feels a little stressful

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Speaker 2: and anxiety provoking. Right, I heard that, and I understood

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Speaker 2: that perfectly. So that may not even be necessarily the

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Speaker 2: self care practice. You need to feel calm and relaxed.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's fulfilling other beings. Maybe that needs to be

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Speaker 2: done during a time where you know you don't have

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Speaker 2: a lot of other stuff going on, or maybe developing

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Speaker 2: a relationship with the nail technician that you trust, who

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Speaker 2: maybe doesn't provoke and have those kind of feelings. Right,

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Speaker 2: we could go all day with that wonderful example that

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Speaker 2: you shared, But it's about finding out what your needs

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Speaker 2: are and addressing those needs on a regular basis, and

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Speaker 2: when that is put together, it really is helpful. Because

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Speaker 2: we're human beings, we have life transitions, we're dealing with changes.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we don't even need to say the key

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Speaker 2: word okay that we're living through global okay. I mean

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Speaker 2: there's so much change that can happen. So you want

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Speaker 2: to notice how am I coping with these changes? How

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Speaker 2: am I experiencing any life transitions? Do I need anything differently?

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Speaker 2: I'll give a really quick example. Just being a new parent,

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Speaker 2: I've had to shift my expectations for myself. It's like

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Speaker 2: very significantly and really examine my relationship with my work

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Speaker 2: and then the other parts of my life. And I

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Speaker 2: am still a work in progress. I say, I'm almost

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Speaker 2: a six month old parent. I'm doing a good job.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm hanging in there and taking it literally

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Speaker 2: a moment at a time. That is beautiful.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate that. And I love what you said starting

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Speaker 3: out about like not shaming people's self care practices, because

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Speaker 3: everybody really needs to step back and examine what works

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Speaker 3: for them for their unique situation, what works within their budget,

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Speaker 3: and their all the things that are unique to each individual.

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Speaker 3: And so, Michelle, what would be your top five affirmations

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Speaker 3: from your book that.

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Speaker 2: Really mean the most to you?

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Speaker 3: And I know because your book is full of amazing affirmations,

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Speaker 3: including our.

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Speaker 2: Code of the day. What your top five? I'll be honest,

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Speaker 2: I don't even know if I could pick five. I

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Speaker 2: think I need to. I'm going to focus on one perfect, okay,

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Speaker 2: because I want to. Really this one is the one

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Speaker 2: that means the most to me. This affirmation is I

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Speaker 2: am too important to not take care of myself. If

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Speaker 2: I don't take care of myself, I cannot show up

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Speaker 2: to do the things that I love to do. I

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Speaker 2: have to like pause, put my hand over my heart,

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Speaker 2: close my eyes because I'm talking directly to myself to

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Speaker 2: remind myself, Hey, girl, you need to take care of yourself.

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Speaker 2: You're too important. That particular affirmation, in addition to other

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Speaker 2: affirmations and I own my magic, are for each reader

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Speaker 2: to develop their own kind, patient, loving way of speaking

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Speaker 2: to themselves. I invite folks, when an affirmation shows up

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Speaker 2: in the book, usually after a chapper chapper, after a

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Speaker 2: chapter or a series of journal prompts, I invite you

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Speaker 2: to say those words out loud. Now. Honestly, I used

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Speaker 2: to think affirmations were kind of corny. I did. I

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Speaker 2: didn't get it at first. So this is quite literally

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Speaker 2: a safe space. It's okay to say that. And folks

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Speaker 2: may think affirmations are still a little goofy. Now that's okay,

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Speaker 2: But affirmations are a way that we can talk to ourselves.

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Speaker 2: It's an option, and I found when I started creating

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Speaker 2: my own that they were way more useful to me.

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Speaker 2: They were way more intentional and meaningful. So you are

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Speaker 2: invited again to develop your own self talk with some

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Speaker 2: of the affirmations I share in the book and literally

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Speaker 2: say I'm to yourself out loud. If you're if you

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Speaker 2: are not alone, you feel kind of silly, It's okay.

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Speaker 2: Put your phone up to your ear and act like

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Speaker 2: you're talking to somebody. But you need to hear yourself

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Speaker 2: say the kind things. Your body, your mind, your spirit

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Speaker 2: needs to connect there.

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Speaker 1: I love love, love that, and dom, I think we

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Speaker 1: might have some new mantras for our upcoming season. So

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Speaker 1: you think, yeah, be on the lookout, Michelle, we might

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Speaker 1: be using some of these affirmations now, Michaelle, we want

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Speaker 1: to shift up the energy. Now, ladies, I will say

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Speaker 1: I'm having some technical difficulties, so I'm going to do

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Speaker 1: my best to transition into this new face. So let

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Speaker 1: me know if anything you know happens here. But let's

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Speaker 1: go ahead and shift up the energy, Michelle. So because

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Speaker 1: we recognize the preaching and celebrate the multifaceted woman, and

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Speaker 1: we believe that it's okay to be bougie, classy and ratchet.

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Speaker 1: You can still be elegant and dance to strip club

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Speaker 1: music if you so choose. Okay, we want to invite

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Speaker 1: you to the oh you blatchet segments. So do you

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Speaker 1: take on the challenge.

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Speaker 2: I take it on fullheartedly.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, yes, all right. So, now what we're

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Speaker 1: going to do, Michelle. We are going to ask you

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Speaker 1: three questions. We're going to share three sentence completions, and

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Speaker 1: then we have three photos pulled up from your Instagram

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Speaker 1: because it's stalking you, and we want you to choose

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Speaker 1: one photo and give us more context behind the photo

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Speaker 1: that you choose. So the first question here is what's

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Speaker 1: the best piece of wisdom or advice you've ever received.

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Speaker 2: The best piece of wisdom or advice I've ever seen

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Speaker 2: has to do with relationships that if you put energy

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Speaker 2: into your relationship with both, if you're in a relationship

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Speaker 2: that's monogamous and has two partners, if you put energy

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Speaker 2: into your relationships and so does your partner. That's the

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Speaker 2: best recipe for love. It's the best advice I've ever received.

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 3: So now I have four words for you, work or

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Speaker 3: two steps.

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Speaker 1: Work Bay all right, Oh my good Michelle's mass she said,

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Speaker 1: She's like, oh, yes, no, Brander, I love it now, Michelle,

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Speaker 1: what is the sexiest item you own?

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Speaker 2: Oh, perfume? Oh my gosh, kind it's put us on

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Speaker 2: Ralph Lauren romance. It's just that that is such a

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Speaker 2: sensual smell to me, sexy.

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Speaker 4: I like that.

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Speaker 3: I like that one. That's a good one. So now

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Speaker 3: we have three sentence completions. One question or topic I

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Speaker 3: wish people asked me about more often is.

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Speaker 2: My locks, which people will ask me more about my hair.

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Speaker 2: So I have just celebrated my annu my first lackiversary,

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Speaker 2: and I love it. It is like the ultimate beauty

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Speaker 2: and protective style. I wish I would have did this

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Speaker 2: years ago. I wish my people would ask me about that.

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Speaker 1: Well, Michelle, what would you want to tell us about

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Speaker 1: your lock of journey? In your locks? They look good

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Speaker 1: by the way.

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Speaker 2: You guys are amazing that. It's just so much fun

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Speaker 2: and it's been a growing process. I actually started my

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Speaker 2: lock journey shortly after I learned I was pregnant, so

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Speaker 2: I feel like my locks and my baby are the

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Speaker 2: same age. It's like, oh my gosh, look at the

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Speaker 2: growth of everyone. It's amazing. It's been so cool seeing

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Speaker 2: my hair actually kind of it's like emerging together. They're

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Speaker 2: in a loving relationship and they're budding. It's so much

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Speaker 2: fun to just go through the process. You got to

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Speaker 2: go through the process, though, you know, to appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: I love that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, I love that too. Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so our last sentence completion. What I love most

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Speaker 3: about myself is.

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Speaker 2: My ability to be empathetic. I definitely identify as an

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Speaker 2: impath and that was part of another part of my

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Speaker 2: self care journey. And once I learned that about myself,

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Speaker 2: I found that was another layer in me take care

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Speaker 2: of myself better. And I just I appreciate that about

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Speaker 2: myself a lot.

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Speaker 1: So beautiful. I love it. I love it well, Michelle.

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Speaker 1: We have one last phase of this conversation here, and

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Speaker 1: basically what we want you to do is choose a

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Speaker 1: number between one and three, and then we're going to

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Speaker 1: show you a picture and we want you to provide

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Speaker 1: more context about said picture. Number three, number three, that's

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Speaker 1: the popular number. I love it. This is such a

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Speaker 1: cute picture, so feel free to describe the picture because

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Speaker 1: everyone won't be listening on Patreon, so feel fa to

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Speaker 1: describe the picture and then give us context that we

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Speaker 1: would not know by looking at this photo.

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Speaker 2: This picture is a picture of me in the height

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Speaker 2: of the pandemic. My husband took this picture of me.

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Speaker 2: I'm in a rose colored dress with my eyes closed,

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Speaker 2: but I'm giving like a smirk and you can see

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Speaker 2: trees and one of my pandemic plants behind me as

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Speaker 2: I'm smiling, and I think I'm even in motion. I

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Speaker 2: see my hand is still moving. So he caught the shot.

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Speaker 2: Like this was my first time in the pandemic, having

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Speaker 2: on this day. I was like I got to share

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Speaker 2: this photo. It's also on September first, which was it

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Speaker 2: is self care Awareness month, and so we love September

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Speaker 2: for that. There's yeah, so there's a lot of joy

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Speaker 2: in this picture. I remember I was trying my best

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Speaker 2: to share it.

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Speaker 1: What's a beautiful photo. It just exudes goodness. I love

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Speaker 1: the expression on your face. It's just lovely.

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Speaker 3: So yes, So, Michelle, we have thoroughly enjoyed this conversation.

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Speaker 3: We also are like, as I'm listening to you, I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 3: there's a couple more topics that we could bring you

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Speaker 3: on to talk about, Like, let's talk about how to

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Speaker 3: help these impacts out here, fellow impaths. Right, yes, let's

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Speaker 3: dive more into developing your own affirmations. Listen, talk about

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Speaker 3: your locks as well, because there's so many of us

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Speaker 3: who might might be considering starting that journey. Right. So, Michelle,

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Speaker 3: we have had such a good time with you today,

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Speaker 3: and we know that our listeners are going to feel

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Speaker 3: going to want to know how can we connect with Michelle.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I want to thank you both for having me

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Speaker 2: on This is so amazing.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, We appreciate you. And so where can our

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Speaker 3: listeners find you and support you and get their hands

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I'm on Instagram, Pinterest, and Twitter at the same name.

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Speaker 2: At the g Michelle and it's Michelle with two l's.

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Speaker 2: You can find I Own My Magic literally anywhere where

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Speaker 2: I said absolutely yes to TJ Max. So I Own

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Michelle. We appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you you.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us today. Please note that our show

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Speaker 3: may contain conversations about self help, advice, self empowerment, and

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Speaker 1: and before we meet again, repeat after me, what's meant

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Speaker 2: Will never miss me? I don't have to chase