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Speaker 1: Hello there, Happy Wednesday. Welcome to another episode of The

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Speaker 1: Chuck Podcast. The best thing that's happened in the last

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Speaker 1: twenty four hours since the University of Mind Me hasn't

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Speaker 1: lost a football game. Yes, I know it's the weekday,

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Speaker 1: but you know, these are baby steps in my coping

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Speaker 1: mechanism when it comes when it comes to that, you know,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of Look, the Trump presidency introduces all

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Speaker 1: sorts of ways to deal with him and to combat him.

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Speaker 1: You can try to treat him as a conventional candidate.

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Speaker 1: You can try to treat him as an outlier president.

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Speaker 1: You can try to treat him as an existential threat.

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Speaker 1: There have been various ways that different entities have tried

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Speaker 1: to deal with the shakeup that Donald Trump has brought

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Speaker 1: to American politics. Well, what's funny about all of the

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Speaker 1: shaking up that he does, all of the chaos that

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Speaker 1: he brings. He's actually falling into a trap that many

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Speaker 1: a president has fallen into, which almost is universally led

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Speaker 1: to bad outcomes for them in domestic elections. And what

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Speaker 1: I mean is being too consumed with international and to

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Speaker 1: think that Donald Trump, the guy who ran on an

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Speaker 1: American first platform, the guy who does not believe in

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Speaker 1: multilateral treaties, The guy who does not believe in collective

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Speaker 1: security is somehow finding himself so consumed with his own

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Speaker 1: legacy building, and most presidents get consumed with that, and

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Speaker 1: the only place to establish the legacy is in foreign affairs.

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Speaker 1: That he's taking his eye off the ball, the domestic

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Speaker 1: promises he's made, right. The Argentinian example is a perfect case.

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Speaker 1: So here he is trying desperately to help an ideological

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Speaker 1: ally in Javier Malayal, and he desperately needs his economy

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Speaker 1: essentially bailed out, so the United States has agreed to

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Speaker 1: do it. And then on top of that, Donald Trump,

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Speaker 1: out of nowhere says, hey, we'll buy Argentinian beef. At

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Speaker 1: a time when everything in our food industry has essentially

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Speaker 1: been hampered by Donald Trump's policies between his immigration deportations,

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Speaker 1: which has made hiring people to work and meat processing

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Speaker 1: plants almost impossible, just ask folks, and chicken processing plants,

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Speaker 1: places like Arkansas, beef processing plants and places like Nebraska,

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Speaker 1: and pork processing plants and places like Nebraska and Iowa,

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Speaker 1: things like that. You have that issue plus the tariffs. Right,

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Speaker 1: So it's been a double way. May imagine being a

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Speaker 1: cattle rancher who also grows soybeans. Man, and you voted

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Speaker 1: for Donald Trump thinking that he was going to bring

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Speaker 1: you some good American first conservative policy, and all Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump is doing is literally making your life and making

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Speaker 1: your economic life a total nightmare. Right, You're going to

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Speaker 1: have the government buying beef from another country, undermining our

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Speaker 1: beef industry, and we're going to have soybean crops that

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Speaker 1: may eventually rot and go nowhere because China has found

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Speaker 1: other ways to buy soybeans from many other countries, including Argentina.

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Speaker 1: But it's not just Argentina that has been a universal

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Speaker 1: distraction to Donald Trump. Right, he's got to try to

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Speaker 1: do some trade deal with China. He's consumed with that.

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Speaker 1: He's obviously that he sees the peace steel potential peace

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Speaker 1: steel which may fall apart at any moment in Israel

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Speaker 1: the term that somebody leaked out from the Trump administration

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Speaker 1: that they're sending people over there to go BBE sitting,

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Speaker 1: because it's pretty clear the right wing pressure BBE is

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Speaker 1: facing is all about pulling back from the agreement that

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Speaker 1: was made. But the fact this is a case, and

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Speaker 1: this was something I wasn't one hundred percent sure about.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's one thing to announced the agreement between

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Speaker 1: Israel and Amas, and it's another thing to make sure

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Speaker 1: to make it stick, sending vans over there, sending what

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Speaker 1: coughback over there to do again what a Trump administration

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Speaker 1: official is calling bb sitting. But again, he is consumed

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Speaker 1: with an international legacy on foreign policy, this war with Venezuela,

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Speaker 1: where obviously I made that the focal point of my

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Speaker 1: gets any congressional scrutiny, you know, there's definitely being We're

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Speaker 1: being misled, right. There's no fentanyl at all having to

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Speaker 1: do with anything with Venezuela. This is clearly an attempt

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Speaker 1: to do regime change with Maduro. Ironically, I think he

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Speaker 1: would have more political support domestically if they would not

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Speaker 1: lie about what they're doing. But they're trying to do

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Speaker 1: this backhanded way, thinking that they because of his America

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Speaker 1: First proclamations, he doesn't want to just willy nilly get

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Speaker 1: into a war for regime change, so he's got to

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Speaker 1: somehow ground it in one of his campaign promises. What

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Speaker 1: these cartels that are bringing fentanyl killing Americans the United States.

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Speaker 1: The problem is whatever fentanyl issue that we have comes

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Speaker 1: from Mexico via China. That's the situation. And of course

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Speaker 1: it's sort of a pay no attention to what I

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Speaker 1: this rubric of that. Obviously, they were sort of exposed

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Speaker 1: our constitution. So they've repatriated survivors of these bombings. Well,

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Speaker 1: what is Ecuador done? Well? On Tuesday evening, the Associated

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Speaker 1: strike of that submersible Narco sub that was accused by

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Speaker 1: the Trump administration of transporting drugs in the Caribbean ended

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Speaker 1: up being released by authorities in Ecuador after prosecutor said

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Speaker 1: they had no evidence that he committed a crime in

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Speaker 1: their nation, which was part of the issue. Right, this

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Speaker 1: administration who presented no evidence to the public, no evidence

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Speaker 1: Perhaps they've presented evidence to themselves, to various legal councils.

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Speaker 1: But given that we've had a resignation of the commander

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Speaker 1: There has been none of this. And again, we do

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Speaker 1: not have a functioning United States Congress. If we had

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Speaker 1: a functioning United States Congress, they would be focused on this.

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Speaker 1: And yet, sadly we don't have a function in Congress.

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Speaker 1: You know, I vacillate between we sit here, is this

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Speaker 1: sort of a we just have an incompetently run government

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Speaker 1: and will sort of muddle through this, or we have

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Speaker 1: a president who's intentionally trying to weaken every other a

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Speaker 1: political party that has decided to go all in with Trump,

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Speaker 1: weaken all of the guardrails of the functioning republic and

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Speaker 1: executive branch, which of course would be a dangerous precedent.

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Speaker 1: And that's the concerned that many people have here. It's

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Speaker 1: the precedents that are being set. The idea that Trump

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Speaker 1: quite naive. And this is why I've been very disappointed

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Speaker 1: yet they continue to do that. But I'm going on

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Speaker 1: a roundabout way to say Donald Trump is focused on

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Speaker 1: everything except domestic issues in the United States. This is

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Speaker 1: a man that is not focused on the economy. This

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Speaker 1: is a man that is not aware that inflation is up,

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Speaker 1: that prices are going up, not down. Electricity has gone

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Speaker 1: price of energy has gone up, not down. We have

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Speaker 1: a continuing softening of an economy. And I will tell

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Speaker 1: you this. I remember My first professional campaign covering was

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety two, and George H. W. Bush was he

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Speaker 1: was presiding over the fall of the entire Soviet side

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Speaker 1: And you're already starting to see like the bailout. So

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Speaker 1: we're going to bail out Argentina's economy by their beef,

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Speaker 1: but raise prices on people's healthcare. Right, This is not

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Speaker 1: the irony is Donald Trump ran in America first meeting,

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Speaker 1: it's all about repairing the country, right, all about making

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Speaker 1: has to make because he's decided tariffs or are a

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Speaker 1: better way to run an economy than how the economy's

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Speaker 1: gone over the last thirty years. He's in some ways

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Speaker 1: create the mess that he has to clean up in

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Speaker 1: one on one diplomacy is a mess that he created himself.

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Speaker 1: Needless to say, he's consumed with having summits with Kim

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Speaker 1: But what's he doing for your grocery budget? You see

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Speaker 1: sort of enhancing their own politics. Take Christy Nome at

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Speaker 1: the Department of Homeland Security. Just in the last week, right,

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Speaker 1: we have learned that the largest expenditure for television ads

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Speaker 1: Homeland Security. Our friends at Axios reported that DHS has

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Speaker 1: She looks She's not the first Homeland Security secretary to

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Speaker 1: deportations and all of them. They're supposed to be public

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Speaker 1: service messages, but instead they appear to be campaign style

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Speaker 1: messages with President Trump as the you know, most mentioned

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Speaker 1: phrase and all of the creatives, and it really does

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Speaker 1: seem as it's Christy Nomes effort to say, hey, look

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Speaker 1: when it comes to immigration. Right. And you know, if

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Speaker 1: this were not a political ad, they wouldn't be tapping

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Speaker 1: a political ad agency, but they did. They taped the

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Speaker 1: conservative line political addgency called People Who Think and Safe

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Speaker 1: America Media and it's a contract with a ceiling of

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Speaker 1: up to two hundred million dollars. So they've spent fifty

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Speaker 1: their plan probably is to spend two hundred million, probably

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Speaker 1: over this year and next year before the midterm elections.

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Speaker 1: They've even done Spanish language versions of these they target.

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Speaker 1: Some of them are about telling people not to come

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Speaker 1: to the border, some of them are telling people to

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Speaker 1: self deport. So that's two hundred million dollars that's not

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Speaker 1: being used to bring down the cost of groceries or

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Speaker 1: bring down the cost of healthcare. Then what do we

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Speaker 1: learn over the weekend? Christinome has bought not one, but

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Speaker 1: two new planes. Somehow the Department of Homeland's security secretary

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Speaker 1: needs a fleet of planes. Okay, I'm not sure, you know,

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Speaker 1: we can decide how many planes she needs. So they're

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Speaker 1: buying two Gulf Tream G seven hundreds. It's about another

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Speaker 1: two hundred million dollars all in. This looks a lot

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Speaker 1: more like giving her as much easy transportation to travel

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431
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Speaker 1: now he's weirdly suing himself and his former personal lawyer,

432
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Speaker 1: Todd Blanche is going to be the guy that signs

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Speaker 1: off on this. So oh, by the way, when you're

434
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 1: thinking about all the money that this administration is spending

435
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 1: not helping you find lower cost health care or lower

436
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: the grocery bills. He's also going to take two hundred

437
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 1: and fifty million dollars of you of our tax dollars

438
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 1: and just pocket it money he didn't have to spend anyway.

439
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: He ripped off donors from the RNC to pay all

440
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Speaker 1: his legal bills. As it is, he never spent a

441
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Speaker 1: dollar of these things. So I don't know who's getting

442
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: their money back if he's claiming some sort of damage

443
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Speaker 1: to the US government. But I digress. I go back

444
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 1: to where we're headed with AIM. I do think that

445
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: there's going to be an undetended consequence that might actually

446
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: move us in an interesting direction at a time when

447
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: I think we've all felt suffocated by the tech world,

448
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: and that is the more things are not believed online. Right,

449
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: the launch of Sora has been is sort of the

450
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Speaker 1: exclamation point on the total destruction the tech companies have

451
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Speaker 1: done to the information ecosystem. You know, one of the

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Speaker 1: reasons why I'm very skeptical of the of of allowing

453
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Speaker 1: a allowing tech firms and AI to run a mock

454
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Speaker 1: here is we had the same attitude with social media

455
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Speaker 1: and and and look what they did, right, These tech

456
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: companies absolutely destroyed trust in all of our institutions. Social

457
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: media has been a total disaster for UH. It has

458
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: not made things better, It's made things pretty much on

459
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Speaker 1: everything worse. And now we're supposed to trust them to

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Speaker 1: make sure AI, make sure we quote win the race

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Speaker 1: for AI and it doesn't end up, uh in as

462
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Speaker 1: dystopian of a situation as we deal with now with

463
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Speaker 1: social media. So forgive my lack of confidence UH in

464
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Speaker 1: these in these companies, but they've already failed on social media.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure we should be allowing them to run

466
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Speaker 1: without supervision when it comes to AI. And yet as

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Speaker 1: much as I have zero confidence in tech companies looking

468
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Speaker 1: out for humanity, zero confidence in this government looking out

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Speaker 1: for humanity, you know, I trust looking out for humanity. Humans.

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Speaker 1: And one of the many AHA moments I've had recently

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Speaker 1: is when I speak to large groups and I talk

472
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Speaker 1: about and I get asked about AI in general, and

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Speaker 1: where's this headed? Usually it has to do with a

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Speaker 1: on journalism. Sometimes it's in politics, you know. I note

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Speaker 1: that I do think we're going to see a premium

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Speaker 1: put on the human touch. And what do I mean

477
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Speaker 1: by this? I'll survey an audience that I'm speaking to

478
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Speaker 1: and I'll say, how many of you would pay extra

479
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Speaker 1: money in order to get a customer service agent that

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Speaker 1: was human rather than dealing with a bot, audition or

481
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Speaker 1: something similar. Two thirds of hands almost always go up.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I was at a tech conference and I

483
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: asked this question in two thirds of hands went up.

484
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Speaker 1: We value human interactions. We don't trust entities. Entities may

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Speaker 1: be more accurate, right, a computer maybe, or more accurate,

486
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Speaker 1: but the lack of humanity adds a layer of distrust. Right.

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Speaker 1: I've used to say that about you know, these entities.

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Speaker 1: When you talk about working at a major network. You know,

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Speaker 1: does the entity care about the employee? No, there is

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Speaker 1: no The entity is not human. Right. I used to say,

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Speaker 1: NBC does not care about its employees, but the employees

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Speaker 1: care about the reputation of NBC. But NBC is an entity.

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Speaker 1: The people who are supervising it, they're just you know,

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Speaker 1: they're being counters. They're there, they have a feater share

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Speaker 1: responsibility their shareholders, but they don't really care about their

496
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Speaker 1: employees because they're not being judged by how their employees

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Speaker 1: feel about them. They're simply being judged by the bottom line.

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Speaker 1: And so entities. This is why I think we won't

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Speaker 1: care about an entity as much as we care about

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Speaker 1: a human and so the more we don't trust things online,

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00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: the more we're going to value the human experience. So

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Speaker 1: I've already you know, anecdotally we can you know, we

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Speaker 1: will pay more money to deal with a human being

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Speaker 1: on customer service. So that tells you something. If you

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Speaker 1: don't believe anything you see online and right now, thanks

506
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: to the launch of Sora, there's not a single piece

507
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Speaker 1: of video you can fully feel confident in his right

508
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: So what are you going to believe? Well, you're gonna

509
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: have to see things in person, the live experience. If

510
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: you're a journalist, you're gonna have to be fully transparent.

511
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: You probably should do more live streams, right I You know,

512
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: the future version of the Chuck Podcast may always be

513
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 1: that I record what I'm doing now fully live, so

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Speaker 1: everybody can see the good, the bad, the ugly, and

515
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: we maybe say here's the raw material and then here's

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Speaker 1: how we edited it. If you're going to want to

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Speaker 1: have trust, you're going to have to be fully transparent,

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Speaker 1: fully available to people in person and on products. You know,

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Speaker 1: it may be that stores come back stores might be

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Speaker 1: not where you actually buy things. Stores in the rest

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Speaker 1: of the twenty first century might be where you touch

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Speaker 1: and feel something to see if it is actually what

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Speaker 1: they say it is online. So the more artificial everything

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Speaker 1: online becomes, the more we will put a premium on

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Speaker 1: the real the in real life, the in person experience,

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Speaker 1: the value of life, the value of human to human contact.

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Speaker 1: It may be that you have some weirdos in Silicon

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Speaker 1: Valley and there is an entire set of weirdos out

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Speaker 1: there that are very smart, but they're super weird who

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00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: do want to replace humans, right, or view sort of

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Speaker 1: humans as potential task rabbits for them. I think Bezos said,

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Speaker 1: you know, basically. I think at one point, supposedly he

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00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: was quoted as saying, there's going to be essentially the

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Speaker 1: super rich, and then a whole bunch of people that

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Speaker 1: service the super rich, and that will be the new

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00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:27,240
Speaker 1: middle class because everything else is automated with some weird,

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Speaker 1: sort of very let them eat cake type of observation.

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Speaker 1: But it was made by somebody who's who doesn't live

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Speaker 1: in the real world, right, doesn't live where ninety percent

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Speaker 1: of us live. I know this sounds pollyannish on this front,

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Speaker 1: but don't bet against humanity on this. We are not

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Speaker 1: going to marginalize ourselves as a species. So even at

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Speaker 1: these tech companies do create tools in an attempt to

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Speaker 1: marginalize the human experience, and if anything, even sort of

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Speaker 1: say no to know, this is smarter than a human being,

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Speaker 1: This is more thorough than a human being. We aren't

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Speaker 1: going to allow ourselves to be displaced, and that is

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Speaker 1: something tech companies. The more they keep us out of

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00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 1: this process and keep humans away from this, and the

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Speaker 1: more they keep elected officials away from regulating and trying

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00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 1: to put up early guardrails, the more they're actually going

552
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: to put their own companies in jeopardy, because if they

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Speaker 1: keep plowing forward sort of using all of us as

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Speaker 1: guinea pigs and using society as guinea pigs like they

555
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:44,280
Speaker 1: did with social media, the populist revolt that took place

556
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: on the right with Trump will look like small potatoes

557
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: compared to sort of a populist revolt from multiple parts

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Speaker 1: of the political spectrum. And you may see a demand

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Speaker 1: essentially the pitchforks come out for these tech overlords that

560
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: essentially tried to create a world that left out the

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Speaker 1: human touch. So I know that all of that sounds

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Speaker 1: a little science fiction y, but at the same time,

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Speaker 1: I do think this is you're going to see it

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Speaker 1: percolate more in political campaign So the fear of AI,

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Speaker 1: either fear of losing it to the Chinese or the

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Speaker 1: fear of it replacing us in jobs or in culture,

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Speaker 1: and all sorts of things. It's going to be a

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Speaker 1: big driver of American politics over the next two to

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Speaker 1: four years, So I do think people need to prepare

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Speaker 1: for Ultimately, I call myself short term pessimistic and all

571
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: this plays out, but long term optimistic because we will

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00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: react in the same way now we don't trust anything.

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Speaker 1: What it will do is it'll motivate us to have

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Speaker 1: more in real life experiences. So for those that are

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Speaker 1: sort of pessimistic about all this, don't under sell the

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Speaker 1: human experience and do realize humans value humans a hell

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Speaker 1: of a lot more than they do some computer that

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00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: he has been powered by a data farm. All right,

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Speaker 1: with that, I got my top five lists coming up,

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Speaker 1: and this is a fun one. It has to do

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Speaker 1: with my favorite political TV shows of the last ten years,

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Speaker 1: because one of them is coming back with a new season.

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Speaker 1: So I thought it'd be a good time to talk

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Speaker 1: about that I'm going to be taking some questions. Let's

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00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: sneak in the break, all right. I want to have

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Speaker 1: a little fun with my top five list this week,

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Speaker 1: Top Top Top jest. One of my favorite shows is back.

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00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 1: And you know, often I get asked which political shows

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Speaker 1: TV shows do I like, And usually the question is

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Speaker 1: you must love west Wing, and I'm like, oh, here

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00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: we go, Aaron sork and stuff. I don't now. Part

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Speaker 1: of it is that west Wing is is a a

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Speaker 1: sort of a fever dream of of of what a

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Speaker 1: liberal utopia, utopian system would work. It's not, it doesn't.

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Speaker 1: I guess what I look for in my political TV

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Speaker 1: shows is a little bit of reality. I don't need

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Speaker 1: all of it to be reality based. I don't need

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00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,280
Speaker 1: to be like a you know, as if you're following

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Speaker 1: an historical book. But I wanted to be realistic, and

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Speaker 1: I will just say West Wing was never realistic, not

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Speaker 1: one iota. And actually most of what Sorkin does is

602
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: not realistic, even though it is incredibly moving, entertaining and

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00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 1: sometimes inspiring. I mean, trust me, I'm a guy who's

604
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: seen a few good men so many times, and yet

605
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: I don't think any jag officer has ever had an

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Speaker 1: experience like Kevin Bacon or Tom Cruise, the two stars

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Speaker 1: of that movie. So with that spirit, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: give you my five favorite political TV shows from the

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Speaker 1: last ten years, not going back. So basically, now, it

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Speaker 1: could be a show that started before twenty fifteen, but

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Speaker 1: it had to end after twenty fifteen to make my list.

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Speaker 1: So my top five lists. Number one, I'm putting it's

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Speaker 1: the show that just came back, and it's a show

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Speaker 1: that in its first season I wouldn't have put in

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Speaker 1: my top five, but now going into season three, the

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Speaker 1: Diplomat is really, I have to say, is really now.

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Speaker 1: I haven't watched a single episode yet of season three,

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Speaker 1: but I loved season two. I loved where they've taken this,

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Speaker 1: I do think, and you know, I had the showrunner

620
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: on the podcast, so if you guys are curious, she

621
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: gave it terrific a little bit of a tease at

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Speaker 1: the time about a new season is coming on that front,

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Speaker 1: so we got to sort of learn that during that

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Speaker 1: interview process. But look, are there some things that are unrealistic.

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Speaker 1: The idea that you would use the ambassadorship to the

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Speaker 1: UK as a launching pad for a potential way to

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Speaker 1: vet a potential vice president. All right, that's a little unrealistic,

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Speaker 1: but the sort of the way diplomacy works when you

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Speaker 1: sort of you know, sort of the formal stuff, the

630
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Speaker 1: informal stuff, the back channeling, the role the CIA plays,

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Speaker 1: how the CIA really is in the State Department, work

632
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Speaker 1: much closely together than anybody wants to ever fully admit.

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Speaker 1: So I feel like when it comes to that stuff,

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Speaker 1: it's really good. And what I really admire about what

635
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: the Diplomat did last season is, you know, everybody's been

636
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Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to portray a Trump like figure.

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Speaker 1: I love that they made the British Prime Minister the

638
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 1: Trump like figure rather than trying to make it. You know,

639
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: they sort of with Michael McKeon, they turned the president.

640
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 1: They basically had a Joe Biden like president. Michael McKean

641
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: I felt like, was doing his version of Biden, and

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00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: then they had the Trump like character be the British

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Speaker 1: Prime Minister. So I thought that was very clever as well.

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Speaker 1: So look, I'm a huge fan. It's number one on

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Speaker 1: my list of the last ten years. I really think

646
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Speaker 1: it's carry Russell's terrific. But I'll be honest. The character

647
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Speaker 1: and the actor I love the most is a character

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Speaker 1: the hal Wiler character I do as we learned. I

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Speaker 1: think it's Richard Holbrook Chile. Is sort of the backstory

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Speaker 1: of that character. For those of you that are diplomatic

651
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Speaker 1: history junkies. The actor's name is rufus Sewell and I

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Speaker 1: first saw him in a TV show called Man in

653
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Speaker 1: the High Castle. Also another one of my favorite sort

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Speaker 1: of alternative history TV shows. Doesn't it isn't going to

655
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Speaker 1: make my list. It what's sort of on my radar.

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Speaker 1: He played the American Nazi. He's just you know, he's

657
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Speaker 1: just one of these character actors that I think is

658
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Speaker 1: much strong. I think he can be a lead. And

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Speaker 1: I will just say I really enjoy him. I enjoy

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Speaker 1: his character. I've enjoyed him in almost every show I've

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Speaker 1: seen him in anyway. Diplomat number one on my list.

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Speaker 1: Number two. Number two is one that I've also mentioned.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I mentioned it in the last episode. It's

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Speaker 1: for All Mankind. This is another one that I are

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Speaker 1: because you know, it does alternative history. And the whole

666
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Speaker 1: premise of this show is the Soviets beat the Americans

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Speaker 1: to the moon and then like Part two of it

668
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Speaker 1: is the Soviets land put the first woman on the

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Speaker 1: moon before the United States does, and how America would

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Speaker 1: have responded, how our political system would have responded, frankly,

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Speaker 1: how Richard Nixon would have responded. I think this show

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Speaker 1: nailed it. You know, they do these really fun little

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Speaker 1: news vignettes as in between episodes, so if you really

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Speaker 1: focus in, you got to you got to go onto

675
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Speaker 1: the Apple TV episode website and there'll be these little

676
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Speaker 1: little vignettes that sort of tell you what's happening, you know,

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Speaker 1: in the in their alternative political timeline. The show itself

678
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: is not hugely political, although but they the timeline is,

679
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Speaker 1: and the backstory helps at least explain certain decisions. I

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Speaker 1: think they nailed the way their predictions and how each

681
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Speaker 1: party would behave, how each candid would behave. They had

682
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Speaker 1: these incredible flourishes, like because in their version events, Nixon

683
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 1: only has one term, not two, so nobody ever discovers

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Speaker 1: the secret recording mechanism in the White House, and presidents

685
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Speaker 1: keep it all the way until they have a donas

686
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Speaker 1: don't tell situation in the nineties. So I just think

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Speaker 1: they I thought the writers did a great job of

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Speaker 1: correctly predicting how the two parties would behave, what kind

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Speaker 1: of candidates would win, which parties would win, which direction

690
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Speaker 1: things would go anyway. I love it. I think it

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Speaker 1: was intellectually challenging. It's number two on my list from

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Speaker 1: the last ten years, so one Diplomat too from Mankind.

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Speaker 1: Number three is the show that many of us will

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Speaker 1: tell you depicts Washington politicians better than any other. And

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Speaker 1: it's and it's veep. It's sort of what veep Catchers is,

696
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Speaker 1: how unintended so many things are in Washington that become

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Speaker 1: big deals. You know, there's always this assumption of intentionality

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Speaker 1: in political behavior, whether by president's vice president, senators, governors,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. I can't tell you how often it is

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Speaker 1: sort of accidental in nature, and most of this stuff

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Speaker 1: is more accidental than not on so many levels. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan of butterfly effects or of accidents

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Speaker 1: of history, you know. You know, one of the one

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Speaker 1: of the more interesting ones that I'll share with you

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Speaker 1: now has to do with Donald Trump complaining about Barack

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Speaker 1: Obama's first state dinner, and he calls up the White

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Speaker 1: House basically wanting to either talk to Obama. The White

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Speaker 1: House Social Secretary, David axelrod high up because he had

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Speaker 1: some ideas of how to heyld. He has said this recently.

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Speaker 1: He's talked about trying to get a ball room. He

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Speaker 1: thought it was silly that they used tents on the

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Speaker 1: South lawn, and he has wanted to help design a

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Speaker 1: ballroom for the White House forever. Well. David axelrout a

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Speaker 1: minute to me, never return that call. Nobody wanted to

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Speaker 1: be the one to have to return. All who wants

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Speaker 1: to call Donald Trump back? I don't want to do it.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to do it right. That was the mindset.

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Speaker 1: What if they had called Donald Trump back and had

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Speaker 1: humored him and let him come up with some blueprints

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Speaker 1: for how to do state dinners, maybe in a nicer

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Speaker 1: set of tents or something like that. Imagine where we

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Speaker 1: would have been. Well, then again, imagine if the NFL

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Speaker 1: had allowed the Buffalo Bills to sell the team to

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. But I digress. So one diplomat, two for

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Speaker 1: all mankind three veep. Number four on my list is succession.

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Speaker 1: Look the sort of the media, the nexus of media

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Speaker 1: and politics, which is more important today than it was

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Speaker 1: even thirty years ago, forty years ago, fifty years ago,

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00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: and frankly wouldn't have been as part of any political

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Speaker 1: storyline even in the eighties and nineties, right, the press

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Speaker 1: wasn't as much of a star, for instance, even of

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Speaker 1: the West Wing, you know, back then. These days, obviously

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Speaker 1: there's there's much more of a nexus between communications between

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Speaker 1: media and politics. And there's no doubt Succession, you know,

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Speaker 1: And obviously it seemed to hwe fairly closely to the

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Speaker 1: drama inside the Murdoch family when it comes to Fox News.

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Speaker 1: But you know, the small things, the sort of the

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Speaker 1: dufist nepo baby that decides he wants to run for

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Speaker 1: president and gets his one percent right, they just they

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Speaker 1: had these nice little grace notes that felt realistic. Right

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Speaker 1: on one hand, it wasn't. On the other hand, the

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Speaker 1: more we've learned and seen, you're like, oh my god,

743
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: maybe it was. But when you look at what's been

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00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: out there, boy did Succession it turned out to be

745
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 1: a really smart show about politics as well as sort

746
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Speaker 1: of behind the scenes when it comes to media moguls.

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Speaker 1: And finally, number five on my list is going to

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Speaker 1: be one where it might surprise you where I'm going

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Speaker 1: and it's the walking Debt. Now. The Walking Dead, of

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Speaker 1: course started before twenty fifteen, but you know, one I

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Speaker 1: think we're still there's still some Walking Dead franchise out there.

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Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what I loved about the first

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Speaker 1: six or seven or eight or nine or whatever seasons

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Speaker 1: of Walking Dead. I did eventually give up on it.

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Speaker 1: I've not seen all of it, but here's what I thought.

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Speaker 1: Why I put Walking Down on one of my favorite

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Speaker 1: political TV shows of all time and certainly in the

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Speaker 1: last ten years, is what I thought they did a

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Speaker 1: good job of is sort of understanding how the different

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Speaker 1: ways human beings would try to organize themselves, and the

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Speaker 1: sort of the basic ways right there would be, you know,

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Speaker 1: the charismatic leader might run a benevolent dictatorship in one community,

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Speaker 1: the charismatic leader might run a malevolent dictatorship in another community.

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Speaker 1: One would be super egalitarian. There was another community that

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Speaker 1: was run by all women. There's another, you know, community

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Speaker 1: that seemed to have a lot of democracy for those

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Speaker 1: that had. And then some sort of stormtroopers, you know

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Speaker 1: that we were sort of let loose to do whatever

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Speaker 1: they wanted. It just what I thought they that Walking

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Speaker 1: Dead at its best would capture are how it in

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Speaker 1: some ways help explain how certain certain communities fall under

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Speaker 1: the spell of a dictator, or fall under the spell

773
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Speaker 1: of a cult leader, or fall you know, or end

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Speaker 1: up just or end up thriving as a commune, or

775
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Speaker 1: end up thriving as a democracy. That looked familiar to us,

776
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Speaker 1: but it was all What was great about different seasons

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Speaker 1: of Walking Dead is these different communities would showcase a

778
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Speaker 1: certain different way, different political structures that these communities would

779
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Speaker 1: create in its sort of rost form. So I found it,

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Speaker 1: as you know, I like to call myself a political anthropologist.

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Speaker 1: I think when you think about if that were a

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Speaker 1: if that actually were something you could major in political anthropology,

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Speaker 1: I might make The Walking Dead mandatory viewing for those

784
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Speaker 1: trying to major in this idea of political anthropology. So

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Speaker 1: there it has it. My five Diplomat for all Mankind,

786
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Speaker 1: veep succession, and and those zombies. Look, my issue with

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Speaker 1: The Walking Dead usually were the zombies, Right, Every other

788
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Speaker 1: part of the show was interesting, and then by the

789
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Speaker 1: you know, by season four or five, we're like, all right,

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Speaker 1: what's what's the zombie scene going to be this week? Right?

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Speaker 1: That was always the Lafe and I think that that's

792
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Speaker 1: probably why this show sort of hit a wall, if

793
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: you will, right, you sort of got worn out by

794
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Speaker 1: all the zombie by all the zombie stuff. But don't

795
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Speaker 1: I don't want to undersell how smart of a show

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Speaker 1: Walking Dead was, particularly in those in those first eight

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Speaker 1: nine ten season. So there's my top five list for

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Speaker 1: the week. I hope you enjoyed it. So with that,

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Speaker 1: let's move to some questions. Ask Chuck, all right, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna try to I'm gonna try to get through four.

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Speaker 1: My son, ever the ever the what I would say

802
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Speaker 1: a nice critic he thinks I don't answer enough questions.

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00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:01,919
Speaker 1: He things two or three is not enough. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: do four. But he's not wrong. I want to start

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Speaker 1: increasing my volume of questions that I answer, which means

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Speaker 1: I got to keep my answers shorter. All right, here

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Speaker 1: we go. First question Brian from Vero Beach, Dodgertown, Baby,

808
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Speaker 1: greetings from the Sunshine State. What do you make of

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Speaker 1: the reported plans to put President Trump on a dollar

810
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Speaker 1: coin next year or possibly construct an arc to Trump.

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Speaker 1: Supposedly both are to commemorate America's twenty fiftieth birthday when

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Speaker 1: I first heard about them, I thought both were too

813
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Speaker 1: fantastical and way outside the boundaries of American tradition. But

814
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Speaker 1: today Cruise are demolishing the facade of the East Wing

815
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Speaker 1: to make room for the Trump Ballroom. So perhaps not.

816
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 1: It seems like one would never go broke betting on

817
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Speaker 1: Trump's narcissism. Someone who can watch rocket launches from my backyard.

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Speaker 1: I love the episode about Splace exploration. Thank you Brian

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Speaker 1: from Vero Beach. Look, well, let me demystify the arc. Okay,

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Speaker 1: in fairness to the proponents of the arc, and I

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Speaker 1: know it's now being deemed the arc dat Trump. So

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Speaker 1: the idea is this actually was proposed by this commission before

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump took the oath the second time. You know,

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Speaker 1: there's been this two hundred and fiftieth Planning Commission for

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Speaker 1: quite some time. Multiple presidents have appointed members, I think,

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Speaker 1: to this committee, and this is a proposal that some

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Speaker 1: people have loved and they figured Trump would like it.

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Speaker 1: And it is not a crazy notion. You go to

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Speaker 1: other cities there are these arches. Basically, it's almost like

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Speaker 1: a like a gateway, a gate into the city. So

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Speaker 1: the idea of this of this arc would be I

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Speaker 1: think it's for coming into Memorial Bridge between you know,

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Speaker 1: Arlington Cemetery. It would be on your way to the

834
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Speaker 1: Lincoln Memorial and you'd have this grand arch and it

835
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Speaker 1: would be there to commemorate the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's you know, as a country, right and

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Speaker 1: as states at certain significant anniversaries, you many a state,

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Speaker 1: many a country has done these things to commemorate two hundred,

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Speaker 1: two twenty five fifty things like that. So you know,

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Speaker 1: the arc the arch idea of doing that to commemorate

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Speaker 1: two hundred fifty, because this is something people have talked

842
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 1: about before, and we've had other capital cities have arches,

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Speaker 1: you know that essentially welcome you in as a gateway

844
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Speaker 1: to the city. So as much as you know, sometimes

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Speaker 1: I think everybody just because Trump proposed it doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: it's a crazy Trump idea. This one emanated from the

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Speaker 1: Commission itself, and this has been an idea that's percolated. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it is gaudy enough and gold leafed enough to get

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Speaker 1: Trump's attention, but now the coin, Okay, that is narcissism

850
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Speaker 1: on another level. Now, we've done this temporary business before

851
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Speaker 1: with Eisenhower. There was a quick commemoration of an Eisenhower coin.

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Speaker 1: I think that was what was done as a to

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Speaker 1: mark in seventeen seventy six. I believe that was the

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Speaker 1: choice of the bisentennial coin. But you know, we had this,

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Speaker 1: you know, we've always had this law that says you

856
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 1: don't put living people on on on stamps, coins, et cetera. Right,

857
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 1: you don't get a stamp until you die. That that's

858
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: always been sort of that. So I think the coin,

859
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 1: it sounds like they're gonna they're going to try to

860
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: make him a commemorative coin. Maybe the Franklin Mint will

861
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:27,399
Speaker 1: do it. There's so much garbage Trump stuff out there

862
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: as it is, it's it's sort of I think it

863
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 1: is unfortunate made anything that the that the US Treasury

864
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 1: does look like it's being part of the the Maga schlocky,

865
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:40,760
Speaker 1: you know, Franklin Mint garbage that gets gets marketed to people,

866
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 1: that has no value at all. My guess on this

867
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:52,720
Speaker 1: coin business and the the smarter way to get around

868
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: this would be putting out a presidential coin set and

869
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:58,240
Speaker 1: put all the president you know, give all the presidents

870
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: a coin, and you mint everybody a coin. If you

871
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: want to do that, you know that would be to me,

872
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: the least of the bad ways to commemorate living people

873
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 1: on coins, if you were really going to go down

874
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 1: this road, right, I will say this and every other

875
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 1: the only places that have living people on their money

876
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: are usually dictatorships. I don't know why we would want

877
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 1: to join the ranks of those countries, but I would

878
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: like I said, I'd separate out the arch from this

879
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 1: sort of this laundry list of narcissism charges on that

880
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:38,879
Speaker 1: one coin is fair game. His obsession with a ballroom,

881
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 1: to me, paving over the Rose Garden was just ridiculous.

882
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 1: You could argue we could use that the White House

883
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 1: needs a better ballroom. I'm not going to sit here

884
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 1: and say he's totally crazy about the notion of a ballroom.

885
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: The problem is how he's gone, Like with a lot

886
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 1: of things, Donald Trump, he may be right about about

887
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 1: what about a result we should want, but his ideas

888
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: to get there are usually not the best ways to

889
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 1: do it, and in this case, not going through the

890
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:15,839
Speaker 1: White House Historical Association, not sort of making this. I mean, look,

891
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 1: Americans aren't going to be knee jerk against this stuff.

892
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 1: If it feels like it's done for America. When it

893
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 1: feels like it's being done for an individual, that's when

894
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 1: we recoil. And Trump has presented all of this through

895
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:33,479
Speaker 1: the prism of his own personal narcissism. Rather look marking

896
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 1: the country's tent in fiftieth Look, I think there should

897
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 1: be some sort of marker in DC. I think the

898
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 1: arches wouldn't be my first choice, but it's not the

899
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 1: craziest idea. Right, This is America at two hundred and fifty.

900
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 1: But it's sort of like with everything Trump does, how

901
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 1: he goes about it is usually is usually what turns

902
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 1: people off. All right? Next question comes from Chase Little Rock, Arkansas.

903
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 1: Let's go hogs. Hey, I really enjoyed your peace and

904
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 1: the teapot Dome scandal. Speaking of corruption and scandal, I

905
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: think Arkansas should just bite the bullet and make Bobby

906
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 1: Patrino the permanent head coach. After all, we went from

907
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 1: losing to a group of five school like Memphis to

908
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 1: taking the best team in the SEC, Texas A and

909
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 1: M down to the wire. All right, but you only

910
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 1: just covered you didn't beat them. But I take your point.

911
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 1: Don't we all deserve it? Fifth or even six chance,

912
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 1: especially when it comes with winning. What say you make

913
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: the Hogs great again? I'll hang up and listen. You know,

914
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 1: it's funny about Patrino. I think he's got to start

915
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 1: winning number one too. If ore here's the here's the

916
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 1: only way. If I were an Arkansas donor, you know,

917
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 1: big donor, and I've been and I felt like I

918
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 1: was let down before by Patrino, here's the reason to

919
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 1: hire him. He might be the best coast you can

920
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 1: get on a bargain. Right who's going to hire him?

921
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 1: In power? In the power for I don't think anybody

922
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 1: serious but Arkansas right now, which means Arkansas is all

923
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 1: the leverage and if you can save money, but you

924
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 1: might get a quality head coach, at least on the

925
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 1: offensive side. But essentially he's on a short leash, like, look,

926
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: you don't get the ten year contract so that there's

927
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 1: some eighty million dollar buyout because sorry, buddy neck brace,

928
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 1: Bobby doesn't get that. That's about the only way, as

929
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 1: a board of trustees person of how I could essentially

930
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 1: swallow my morals and ethics that say, all right, we'll

931
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 1: give him a six chance. But there's got to be

932
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 1: some upside for the university and for the donor community.

933
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:49,919
Speaker 1: And the upside should be there's no buyout, one's transgression.

934
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 1: You're out, and there's no eighty million dollar windfall, fifty

935
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 1: million dollar windfall, whatever it is. So and look, if

936
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 1: you told me that that's I will tell you this.

937
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 1: If you're a Hogs fan, if if they go down,

938
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 1: if they do go down the Patrino road, it means

939
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 1: that they'd rather focus on basketball and baseball, and they're

940
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 1: trying to do football on the cheap because Petrino is

941
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 1: probably the best coach you can get at a bargain price.

942
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 1: All right, I'll be curious what you think of that one, Chase. Thanks.

943
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 1: Next question comes from Josh B. He writes, do you

944
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 1: think message or experienced background matters more? For example, could

945
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 1: a Gavin Newsom with the right message play in the

946
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 1: Midwest or South or will his coastal background drawn out

947
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 1: that message? Thanks? So, I think what have we learned

948
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 1: of the successful two term presidents? I do think message

949
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 1: trumps everything. I think charisma Trump's everything you can overcome,

950
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 1: you know, in theory, should a NEPO baby like George W.

951
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 1: Bush been the obvious? You know? Answer? In two thousand.

952
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 1: Probably not, but he had his own way about him

953
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 1: that that work. He had a type of charisma, you know,

954
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 1: Barack Hussein Obama on paper, a guy from Chicago is Chicago.

955
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 1: The best place to run for national office from right,

956
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 1: is New York City for Donald Trump. So and I

957
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 1: sit here and do I think a former mayor of

958
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 1: San Francisco can carry the state of Michigan. No, right,

959
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 1: I don't. Do I think that a really good political

960
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 1: athlete can overcome those things. The answers, yes, And so

961
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 1: I am. While I have like, I think there's you know,

962
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:38,959
Speaker 1: there's so many pieces of Gavin Newsom's background that would

963
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 1: have been non starters in previous campaigns that I'd sometimes

964
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 1: fear I'm too dismissive of his chances because in some

965
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 1: ways I'm holding him. I'm holding him to a criteria

966
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 1: that mattered ten years ago, but it may not matter now, right,

967
01:01:56,040 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 1: And I also think that there is you know, the

968
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 1: Gaven Nusoms today is a lot different than the guy

969
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 1: who started issuing marriage licenses in San Francisco back in

970
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 1: the first decade of the twenty first century. You know,

971
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 1: it's funny. He's a fairly young guy for politics in

972
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 1: his late fifties, and it feels like he's been around forever, right,

973
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 1: because he kind of has. Right, He's basically been a

974
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 1: major player in California park At politics for the entire

975
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 1: twenty first century. And so I think it's possible, but

976
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 1: you have to almost dominate the attention economy. I mean,

977
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 1: I would go take a look at this crisses up

978
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 1: ed in the New York Times from a couple of

979
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 1: days ago that talked about that he thinks the next

980
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 1: successful Democrat will be successful essentially because they dominate the

981
01:02:56,400 --> 01:03:02,439
Speaker 1: attention economy. And I will say this, that's a skill

982
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 1: sket Gavin Newsom has that ten years ago wouldn't have

983
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 1: been seen as an asset and today is seen as

984
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 1: an asset. R I don't want to sneak in one

985
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 1: more question here. This one comes from Chris k. Good

986
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 1: morning from Greenville, South Carolina. My Hawkey's had a messy

987
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 1: win against Penn State, but hey, a win is a win.

988
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 1: I know. How about the fact that both Penn State,

989
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 1: Florida State, Auburn, all three schools as of October twenty

990
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 1: second have no wins in their respective conferences. No winds

991
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 1: Penn State has not a single Big ten victory, Florida

992
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 1: State not a single ACC victory, Auburn not a single

993
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 1: SEC victory. Anyway, But I digress back to Chris. I'm

994
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 1: eagerly looking forward to your weekend review and what's to come,

995
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:47,440
Speaker 1: and college football is tough weekend for Miami. But in

996
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 1: my opinion, this has been the most entertaining first half

997
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 1: of college football in a long time. Question. My wife

998
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 1: is flying this weekend to visit family, and it's been

999
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 1: causing some stress and off the comments as she travels

1000
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 1: through Newark. Avoid Newark, You've got to try to avoid

1001
01:03:59,880 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 1: new work. Has privatizing air traffic controllers been discussed as

1002
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 1: an alternative to the current system. I understand that MESSI

1003
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 1: travel can lead to pressure to get Congress back to

1004
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 1: work and then the shutdown as a follow up. Is

1005
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 1: there a situation where both sides can say face and

1006
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 1: get back to business. Look, I do think we're there,

1007
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 1: you know, I keep saying that that in some ways

1008
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 1: there's acknowledgment. These healthcare subsidies need to be discussed. It's

1009
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:27,920
Speaker 1: more front and center now than that has been. You

1010
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 1: have Republicans ready to negotiate, but they can stick to

1011
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 1: their guns saying open the government then will negotiate, and

1012
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 1: Democrats can say they've got what they want and then

1013
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 1: they can be I kind of you know, the Republicans

1014
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 1: in general are much better at figuring out how to

1015
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 1: take a small win and declare victory, you know, small

1016
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 1: progress and declare victory. Democrats sometimes get seventy five percent

1017
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 1: of what they want and then project as if they

1018
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 1: lost something, and you're like, no, you got you know.

1019
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 1: I remember during you know, the passage of Obamacare, because

1020
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 1: they didn't get the public ey option, they behaved as

1021
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 1: if they failed, and it's like, good grief, you didn't fail,

1022
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 1: you know. So it is so it is, you know.

1023
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 1: I never, I never can underestimate the possibility that Democrats

1024
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:17,680
Speaker 1: don't know how to, uh, how to take a small

1025
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:22,919
Speaker 1: a small win and declare victory. But you're asking about

1026
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 1: specific and air travel. Look, there's been talk of privatizing

1027
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:37,920
Speaker 1: air traffic controllers before, it's been talk of privatizing TSA before. Uh.

1028
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:42,160
Speaker 1: I just think that, let's put it this way, privatizing

1029
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:48,400
Speaker 1: prison guards hasn't been great for the prison system. And

1030
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 1: I think because that experiment has really been more of

1031
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:54,680
Speaker 1: a failure than a success. I think there's going to

1032
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 1: be a lot of hesitation. We already have a lot

1033
01:05:56,960 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 1: of trust issues, you know, putting that in the hands

1034
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 1: of the private sector, and who would get it it is,

1035
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 1: you know, at this point, I think I want to

1036
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 1: hold government officials accountable, not some corporation that we don't

1037
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 1: necessarily have the ability to hold accountable immediately, right But

1038
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 1: Newark specifically is just prone to all sorts of problems.

1039
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 1: The way they're set up works for air traffic controllers

1040
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:32,920
Speaker 1: that's sort of separated from the rest of the system

1041
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 1: in the tri state region, and they've been trying to

1042
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:38,400
Speaker 1: fix this, but they have a lot of sick outs,

1043
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 1: they have a lot Anyway, if it's at all possible

1044
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:45,360
Speaker 1: to avoid Newark, I have just done everything. I've had

1045
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:49,040
Speaker 1: multiple nightmares going through Newark in the past. I simply

1046
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 1: make that an airport I try to avoid. Sometimes you can't,

1047
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:55,760
Speaker 1: you know, particularly if you're flying United overseas. Almost ninety

1048
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 1: percent of those flights M and eight out of Newark,

1049
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:01,040
Speaker 1: and you're sort of stuck doing that. But if you're

1050
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 1: traveling domestically, there's usually an alternative to new work uh,

1051
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 1: And I'd highly recommend it, but I I I think

1052
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 1: privatizing TSA security makes more sense than doing air traffic

1053
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:19,760
Speaker 1: controllers in the moment, especially since ultimately the systems that

1054
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:23,040
Speaker 1: are in place, you know, with air traffic controllers are

1055
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 1: going to be always, you know, implemented by the by

1056
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:32,400
Speaker 1: the by the government. Where TSA, you know, different airport

1057
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 1: authorities do different things different security. So you know, if

1058
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:37,600
Speaker 1: you if you wanted to go down that road, I

1059
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 1: probably would start with TSA security first. I would not

1060
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 1: do that with the air traffic controllers right away. Maybe

1061
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:46,120
Speaker 1: you see how that goes for a while before you

1062
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 1: think about that. All right, I'll sneak in one more question.

1063
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:53,920
Speaker 1: This comes from Judar Hey. When the story about the

1064
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:56,200
Speaker 1: swastika on the American flag broke, it was first reported

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Speaker 1: by The Rooster, an independent Ohio journalists known for covering

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Speaker 1: local politics. Larger out let's like Politico later around the story,

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Speaker 1: citing quote independent sources, but without crediting him. Wow, what

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Speaker 1: a BS thing to do. Come on, Politico, be better.

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Speaker 1: What does this say about the state of local journalism?

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Speaker 1: How can independent reporters get recognition for breaking big stories

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Speaker 1: in an era when we need more of them? Thanks

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Speaker 1: shaming politica, right. You know, in the sports world, there

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Speaker 1: was It was interesting during the early days of the

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Speaker 1: Athletic when they were not owned by The New York Times,

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Speaker 1: that they were their own up and coming enterprise. They

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Speaker 1: were in between that barstool. There were all these up

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Speaker 1: and coming independent sports outlets that were constantly breaking news

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Speaker 1: before ESPN reported it, and ESPN would do like sources

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Speaker 1: or generic and there was just this massive shame campaign

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Speaker 1: and you know what ESPN started to do, and they've

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Speaker 1: done it a lot now I think they've overcorrected. You know,

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Speaker 1: they'll report, you know, to me, you know, your report

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Speaker 1: about a signing. At some point, it's just a signing.

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Speaker 1: And if you weren't first, you know, if you ain't first,

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Speaker 1: your last, so it doesn't or anymore. But you know,

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Speaker 1: there's there's sort of commodity news and unique news. Right.

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Speaker 1: There's news you've been that simply you are the first.

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Speaker 1: It's news everybody would be reporting. You just happen to

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Speaker 1: get it first. Then there's like news you unearth and

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Speaker 1: you force to get reported that maybe wasn't planning to

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Speaker 1: be reported. Right, that's a that's a super scoop. Right.

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Speaker 1: This falls into that category. That's a that's a that's

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Speaker 1: a story when they win a handout, right a lot

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Speaker 1: of times these football and baseball and basketball free agent

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Speaker 1: signings or handout. But the shame campaign worked. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you watch the ESPN ticker, they'll be like, you know,

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Speaker 1: so and so, you know, Kevin Durant sign an extension.

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Speaker 1: You know, story first reported by Yahoo Sports, and they

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Speaker 1: now do that regularly, and so shame, shame, shame. You know. Look,

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Speaker 1: I'm you know, hopefully, and this is why I'd like

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Speaker 1: to figure out a way to create an entity that

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Speaker 1: can sort of network all of these great independent startups

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Speaker 1: together because I think, you know, if if we can

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Speaker 1: have a lot of these small local outlets have a

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Speaker 1: sort of a national spine to feed off of as

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Speaker 1: a resource, then you have you Suddenly you have people

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Speaker 1: that can help make sure you're getting proper credit for

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Speaker 1: your scoops. But the best way to do it and

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Speaker 1: what they successful what Yahoo Sports, the Athletic barstool all

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Speaker 1: successfully pulled off with ESPN and their ticker was shame

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Speaker 1: and it worked. So come on, Politico, give the rooster

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Speaker 1: it's cock a doodle? Do? Will you give the rooster

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Speaker 1: its rights to prompt to prants around on this scoop. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: I was trying some bad dad humor there, so Jude,

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Speaker 1: don't don't hold that against me. All right with that?

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Speaker 1: The good news is I'll be back in twenty four

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Speaker 1: hours with a brand new episode, brand new set of

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Speaker 1: set of observations and news nuggets for you to to digest.

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Speaker 1: But until then, I'll see you in twenty four hours.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening, Please like and subscribe, tell a friend,

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