Speaker 1: Welcome to Insider's Guide to the Other Side, a production
Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio. Hi, y'all, I'm Julie.
Speaker 2: Hi there, I'm Brenda. Welcome to Insider's Guide to the
Speaker 2: Other Side.
Speaker 1: Now, y'all need to know that we are obsessed with
Speaker 1: everything on the other side.
Speaker 2: Yes we are, because once you learn to navigate the energetic,
Speaker 2: or to some the invisible world, life is going to
Speaker 2: be more fun and much more serene.
Speaker 1: Uh heck, yes it can. Because let's be honest, br in,
Speaker 1: earth school is hard.
Speaker 2: In fact, you taught me that, let's crush Earth school together.
Speaker 1: Well, hello, my witchy, who oh my god, she's already laughing, y'all.
Speaker 1: And here's the thing. If you guys remember last week
Speaker 1: when she did her like waving wand in her hand
Speaker 1: bullshit to like do the countdown to come back in.
Speaker 1: I actually did that, and so she was. She had
Speaker 1: the memory again of that moment and she started laughing
Speaker 1: on us. So hello, I WITCHI pooh, hello, my hell.
Speaker 1: How is the number eight working for you?
Speaker 2: Well more, finally we get some very interesting feedback. People
Speaker 2: are really engaged on the eight and thinking about how
Speaker 2: they can leverage that number right and love that right,
Speaker 2: and how to like engage other people in the eighteness
Speaker 2: to get things done right, which I loved, right, and
Speaker 2: especially thinking about how to manage the reputation, like how
Speaker 2: they're going to feel that more consciously. And I love
Speaker 2: this so much, right, and it's really inspired, you know,
Speaker 2: this kind of follow up segment about you know, how
Speaker 2: to work your work in the in the year of.
Speaker 1: The eight, right, Yeah, and I love that, Okay, And
Speaker 1: I just have to say, we called this work your
Speaker 1: work number eight just collect Chanel number five, So kind
Speaker 1: of think of this episode as a really great fragrance
Speaker 1: to how to work your work. On who you are
Speaker 1: when you go right, no matter what your work is, yeah,
Speaker 1: like who are you? Who's showing up? And how do
Speaker 1: you get to that place?
Speaker 2: And like some people will even put eight as a
Speaker 2: screen saver on their phone to remember, like just to
Speaker 2: keep it top of mind. Like as there's an eight,
Speaker 2: there's a frequency here of eight or four. It's like
Speaker 2: some one person said to force my number, so you
Speaker 2: know I'm double four, you know, yeah, so make it
Speaker 2: work for you.
Speaker 1: Obviously it takes I just don't want to take Suki's
Speaker 1: picture off my phone.
Speaker 2: Well why why wouldn't you right, It just makes me happy.
Speaker 1: I'm right now at it or baby Yeah, no, I'm
Speaker 1: not betting on there, but I love that people do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just don't have suki.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just to keep top of mind, right, just to
Speaker 2: keep that that eight frequency you knows as you're moving
Speaker 2: through the year, make it available to you, know that
Speaker 2: it's working for you and can really support you as
Speaker 2: you leverage it. So we're going to unpack that a
Speaker 2: little bit more today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. I it's you know, how you
Speaker 1: show up. So that's number eight. That would you know
Speaker 1: chanel number eight or school number eight? You know. I
Speaker 1: let's just go back a little bit. So let's do
Speaker 1: a little history here and talk about a lot of
Speaker 1: the advice that people have been given for the workplace
Speaker 1: and also what some workplaces have done to support their employees.
Speaker 1: And you know, I have been a very vocal hater
Speaker 1: of the book Lean In by Cheryl Sandberg. And it's
Speaker 1: not that I dislike Cheryl. It's just that when you
Speaker 1: because like we've had so much noise, right and change
Speaker 1: through through the generations that it's kind of hard to
Speaker 1: keep up with all the wants and needs and desires
Speaker 1: and who who do you need to show up to
Speaker 1: be Like if you're you know, a generation exert like myself,
Speaker 1: do you show up trying to be cool like the
Speaker 1: millennials and disease? No, you don't. That's your answer if
Speaker 1: that's what you worry about. My problem with the lean
Speaker 1: in was if you lean in all the time, you're
Speaker 1: a dick. That's my answer to her book, Like I
Speaker 1: should write, you lean in all the time, you're a dick.
Speaker 1: That's a telephony book, because you shouldn't always your voice
Speaker 1: doesn't always have to be heard, you know, it just
Speaker 1: it doesn't.
Speaker 2: It's correct, that's correct, And it's not that she needs
Speaker 2: me to defend her in any way. But but I think, yes,
Speaker 2: lean in was a moment in time, and after that moment.
Speaker 1: I agree, and I also think, I mean, that's some
Speaker 1: of the work advice. But I also think when we
Speaker 1: start seeing patterns of what's happening in the country and
Speaker 1: in the world, is that everybody thinks that all thoughts
Speaker 1: that they have in their head must come out of
Speaker 1: their mouth, and whether it comes out of their mouth
Speaker 1: or they tie but on a keyboard. And that's also
Speaker 1: not the workplace y'all. The workplace does not ask your
Speaker 1: opinion about world events. Your workplace does not care. That's
Speaker 1: not why you are there. And I think it's putting
Speaker 1: into perspective about the balancing. You know, Listen, you have
Speaker 1: the choice, right you can go to work and be
Speaker 1: who you are and maybe you're an asshole. Well you're
Speaker 1: not going to have that job for long. But there's
Speaker 1: this whole movement of you know, be who you are
Speaker 1: authenticity and it's like, yeah, of course, but you always
Speaker 1: have to remember though somebody's paying you to do this,
Speaker 1: to go to work, you know, like there is a separation,
Speaker 1: and I just want to temper this for everybody, you.
Speaker 2: Know, hopefully. Yeah, I think it's important that, yes, we
Speaker 2: want you to bring your full self to work, because
Speaker 2: there are also people like, well, you're not talking about
Speaker 2: my area of work, so I'm not going to weigh in.
Speaker 2: I'm like, wait a minute, Yeah, you know, you're part
Speaker 2: of this team. As team produces affects your area, you
Speaker 2: wouldn't be on the team, right, There's got to be
Speaker 2: some interdependence somewhere, and so like, even though this may
Speaker 2: not be happening in your backyard, on the team it's
Speaker 2: still part of the team. What do you think about this? Like,
Speaker 2: I mean, I want you to share who professionally, you know,
Speaker 2: like your thoughts. That's important. I may not need to no.
Speaker 1: Idea well, but see that's what I'm talking about now.
Speaker 1: So then so what you're talking about is one aspect
Speaker 1: of it, yeah, which is bringing a whole self and
Speaker 1: giving a shit about what you're doing. But what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about is, you know, my job did not require
Speaker 1: me to be upset. The day that No One ate
Speaker 1: was Yes on eight and it was against gay marriage
Speaker 1: in California. I was angry that day. And there are
Speaker 1: days I wish I could redo of when I brought
Speaker 1: my whole self in and when I should have checked
Speaker 1: part of myself at the door. You know, we had
Speaker 1: a really bad habit at different workplaces of talking about politics. No,
Speaker 1: that is dangerous now, y'all.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like you said, everything changes, The world.
Speaker 1: Keeps changing, and you know, the last thing anybody needs
Speaker 1: to do is to bring up or participate in a
Speaker 1: conversation about the Israeli and Hamas war. Don't do it.
Speaker 1: Don't do it because that's not your best self. And
Speaker 1: by the way, your job doesn't ask you to do
Speaker 1: that unless you're a journalist. See, this is the thing
Speaker 1: that I think is a really great filter would we
Speaker 1: talk about. I mean, we need to probably roll back
Speaker 1: a little bit here, but I think that that when
Speaker 1: you're preparing for who you are at work, remember what
Speaker 1: your work is asking of you. Right Like, your job
Speaker 1: isn't asking for you to sit there and spend half
Speaker 1: an hour talking about the dinner you had last night.
Speaker 1: It's not. Your job isn't asking you what your opinion
Speaker 1: is on the world stage. Your work isn't asking what
Speaker 1: you think about a certain legislation being passed in the
Speaker 1: state of California. And even if you're gay, you know
Speaker 1: your work's not asking you these things. And I say
Speaker 1: these because you know I've done them all wrong. I've
Speaker 1: done all the things I just listened, I've done And
Speaker 1: so I can sit here in full and utter honesty
Speaker 1: about this, with zero judgment, but with history and wisdom
Speaker 1: to know that that's not a good thing. So preparing
Speaker 1: for work is I think what we need to talk
Speaker 1: about when we get.
Speaker 2: Back and welcome back. How are you doing my health? Well?
Speaker 1: I'm trying to step off my soapbox right, But I'm
Speaker 1: afraid I'm going to step on another one.
Speaker 2: Now. Well, we're going to talk about because we talk about,
Speaker 2: you know, the eight year, how are you prepare to
Speaker 2: do your work? Whatever? Whatever you know you put into
Speaker 2: that quotation of work could be home, could be work,
Speaker 2: could be community, whatever it is. But how you to
Speaker 2: prepare to do your work? And I think there are
Speaker 2: two parts. One is how you individually design your life
Speaker 2: to do your work, and then how you the organization
Speaker 2: the systems that organization has to support you doing your work.
Speaker 2: So let's talk about those.
Speaker 1: I think that is fantastic. So there's the personal responsibility
Speaker 1: and then the corporate training for you. Right, So from
Speaker 1: a personal responsibility, you know, I can say that again
Speaker 1: through experience of doing things wrong and right that in
Speaker 1: my version of the wrong bucket. Susanne used to joke
Speaker 1: with me that every morning I would go through the
Speaker 1: fire drill to get ready to go to work, which
Speaker 1: is I would stay in bed until the last possible second,
Speaker 1: jump in the shower, and then make my drive to work.
Speaker 1: And that and that's really how I was leading my life.
Speaker 1: And when I started to balance myself better balance my day,
Speaker 1: balance my night, when I would get it and from
Speaker 1: This is what worked for me. And again, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: I mean I was a desk jockey, so it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter if you work for UPS or you on a
Speaker 1: flower shop. It's the start of your day. Everybody has
Speaker 1: a has a start, right, So mine was was actually
Speaker 1: I would work out and then I would do We
Speaker 1: had a Plotti's reformer at home and I would intentionally
Speaker 1: get on the reformer, so I not only was my
Speaker 1: body more flexible, but my mind was more flexible.
Speaker 2: So because I'm curious what changed from your your fire
Speaker 2: droll mornings versus your intentional mornings? What changed for you?
Speaker 1: What changed when I showed up?
Speaker 2: Or what? Well? No, what changed? How did you get from? Oh?
Speaker 1: Why did I get there?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: I wow? I wasn't expecting that question, but thank you.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I saw myself fairly stagnant in the fire drill. Not
Speaker 1: that I was doing my work was bad. I wasn't
Speaker 1: really living up to what I wanted to be, what
Speaker 1: I thought I could offer. I also saw where I
Speaker 1: wasn't utilizing my full day. I was kind of spending
Speaker 1: the first part of it kind of getting adjusted to
Speaker 1: the world a little bit yep, because.
Speaker 2: It's like you got shot out of a cannon every day.
Speaker 1: I got shot out of a kit. Yes, I shot
Speaker 1: myself out of a cannon every day. It's true though. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so I made changes, and everything changed when I
Speaker 1: started making those changes, and then I started making changes
Speaker 1: to where the night before I would look at my schedule,
Speaker 1: I would see what I had ahead of me. I
Speaker 1: would think about that in advance, and also knowing that
Speaker 1: stuff changes when you get there, but the expectations, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like if I have a lot of friends at
Speaker 1: their sons. Interestingly are ups drivers and the most successful
Speaker 1: ones who actually look at their route. No, for real,
Speaker 1: they look at their right And it's a really great
Speaker 1: job for a lot of these young men. They love it.
Speaker 1: They treat their employees really well, and therefore they want
Speaker 1: to give back, right, they want to give them their best, yeah,
Speaker 1: and keep the drop their route. Yeah, they'll they'll look
Speaker 1: at their routes to look at the weather, you know,
Speaker 1: like they'll just get prepared.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: I was looking at my routes and looking at my
Speaker 1: weather the night before, just so I could, you know,
Speaker 1: see if I was going to have a stormy day,
Speaker 1: you know, it was going to be bright and sunny
Speaker 1: because I have them all right, So that was the prep,
Speaker 1: right like, and it was intentional and it wasn't. I
Speaker 1: wasn't dismissive. I wasn't I don't want to go to work?
Speaker 1: Can I tell you that there was not a single
Speaker 1: day in my life that I actually did want to
Speaker 1: get up and go to work. I love that, no
Speaker 1: matter what the job was, whether I worked at the
Speaker 1: sub shop that my mom's friend owned in Miamma or
Speaker 1: quick Stop Too or whatever it was as a convenience
Speaker 1: store in Myma, Oklahoma, still there, I think. But it's
Speaker 1: but that is also part of knowing getting prepared again,
Speaker 1: no matter what you fucking do, is that you're contributing
Speaker 1: to society, and which I think leads us a little
Speaker 1: bit into the second one. And by the way, do
Speaker 1: you anybody do do you on how you get ready?
Speaker 1: Because I also started meditating in the morning for like
Speaker 1: five minutes as part of my prep. Like I was
Speaker 1: up at five, five, five thirty in the morning to
Speaker 1: get ready for what I was doing.
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 1: I was in bed hopefully a sleep by ten, and
Speaker 1: I had that rhythm. Also, you know, I don't drink anymore,
Speaker 1: like at all. But I would drink back in the day,
Speaker 1: but I not during the week because that would hurt
Speaker 1: what I was doing, and ultimately any day was not
Speaker 1: good for me with it. But that's points another episode.
Speaker 1: I know, what the hell, but I'm an eight right now,
Speaker 1: I'm eighteen. I'm eighteen and fiving right now. But I
Speaker 1: think that it was also really interesting. And what I
Speaker 1: like to do and when I have some time is
Speaker 1: I read about different companies. And I was so enamored
Speaker 1: and impressed with this company called Dutch Brothers. It's a
Speaker 1: coffee place, and I think we've already established I've never
Speaker 1: had a cup of coffee in my life, so it's
Speaker 1: not like I read only the things I like, Otherwise
Speaker 1: I want to be reading about dunkin Donuts. But I
Speaker 1: was reading about Dutch Brother's coffee, and it's this up
Speaker 1: and coming their business is going. It's their business is soaring.
Speaker 1: And when I read about why their business was soaring,
Speaker 1: even though people love their product, like they like the
Speaker 1: kind of interesting flavors and combinations that they offer, but
Speaker 1: they loved how friendly and kind the employees of Dutch
Speaker 1: Brothers are well, And when's the last time you've heard that.
Speaker 2: It's been a minute. Right. That's impressive, right, that cultural
Speaker 2: personal engagement. People are not raving about that sort of
Speaker 2: thing these days.
Speaker 1: No, which is why I wanted to bring it up,
Speaker 1: because that is a current day corporate situation where it's
Speaker 1: so important to them that that you, their customer, is
Speaker 1: so important that they make that part of who they are,
Speaker 1: part of the culture, part of the training, you know,
Speaker 1: and you just don't you don't see that like back
Speaker 1: and they when you and I were talking at the
Speaker 1: break about it, or before we started about this, was Disney.
Speaker 2: Disney set the standard back in the day how they
Speaker 2: trained their their cast members, right. I mean it's just
Speaker 2: even you know, because words matter, right, so they would
Speaker 2: they weren't employees, they were cast members. Right. We're putting
Speaker 2: on an entertainment experience, so yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, And people have saved for a big chunk of
Speaker 1: their life to take their family to this experience.
Speaker 2: And they took it seriously, and they.
Speaker 1: Took it it is serious. Yeah, yeah, you know, entertainment
Speaker 1: that is serious. It's like people who's been a fortune
Speaker 1: to go on a cruise and then they end up
Speaker 1: it's stinky and the food sucks and like why did
Speaker 1: I work and save and scrape to come do this?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: So you know when I was when I was first
Speaker 1: working at ad agencies back in the early nineties, they
Speaker 1: had training, oh yeah, and serious raining, like you stayed
Speaker 1: in the evening to go through the training courses and
Speaker 1: to do your work. But it set an expectation of
Speaker 1: a professionalism. They taught us how to write PowerPoint decks,
Speaker 1: which they weren't I think they weren't PowerPoint back then.
Speaker 1: Of course I broke all those rules because that's what
Speaker 1: I do. But they gave like a basis and a
Speaker 1: consistency of service.
Speaker 2: Well, and it was part of the culture. They're actually
Speaker 2: teaching you about the corporate culture. This is what's expected
Speaker 2: to you. This is how we work. This is the
Speaker 2: standard that you will be judged by and how you'll
Speaker 2: be accepted. How you will get work done is by
Speaker 2: working in this way. And today, I mean they literally
Speaker 2: put employees in front of a video and like this
Speaker 2: is your training. Good duck.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what to say about that, but see,
Speaker 1: but I think what's happened and why would really another
Speaker 1: reason we wanted to talk about this, not that you guys.
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, you all got excited about eight. But
Speaker 1: the other thing is is that things with exception of
Speaker 1: Dutch brothers, and we don't know everything of every corporate
Speaker 1: company or small company. But the reality is is that
Speaker 1: you have to kind of train yourself these days. You
Speaker 1: have to take some initiative in the morning, afternoon, whenever
Speaker 1: it is that you start your work day and to
Speaker 1: get prepared, because that's how that eight is going to shine.
Speaker 2: Right, That's how you leverage that energy that's very strong
Speaker 2: and supportive. Right, It's how you literally garner resources to
Speaker 2: you and including supporting you the resource of your reputation
Speaker 2: in your professional and social communities. So it's really yeah,
Speaker 2: it's really important because how you do what you do matter,
Speaker 2: So how you approach your every day right is super important.
Speaker 1: So what we'll come back and talk about some other
Speaker 1: interesting trends that we've been seeing and hearing about when
Speaker 1: we get back for this next break and we're okay,
Speaker 1: or maybe we won't stop doing this, but we keep
Speaker 1: doing the whole like magic wandy witchy hand ester and
Speaker 1: we come back and now that one of us, don't
Speaker 1: one really coming back now? And that happened so, and
Speaker 1: it was actually my job to bring us back. So Brenda,
Speaker 1: I'm going to just hand it over to you.
Speaker 2: So one of the things right in the last thing
Speaker 2: we talked about how my elf gave great examples of
Speaker 2: how she prepared for work when she went through the
Speaker 2: shift that said, I'm feeling a little stuck. I feel
Speaker 2: like I'm not doing everything I could do, and perhaps
Speaker 2: I'm not going to get to the level that I
Speaker 2: actually want if I'm not bringing everything I can. I
Speaker 2: imagine there was something like that connected there. I don't know,
Speaker 2: you didn't say that, but I'm thinking, maybe does that
Speaker 2: makes sense?
Speaker 1: So you and that's actually when I became a president
Speaker 1: of the company.
Speaker 2: This is exactly like I was working. And I began, yeah,
Speaker 2: because you were bringing it, and I'm connecting the doubts too,
Speaker 2: because that is the energy of the eight. If you
Speaker 2: want to excel, this is your year, right, double down
Speaker 2: on it.
Speaker 1: And I wanted to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course you did, because you're totally capable, right,
Speaker 2: And I think this is a little bit of the
Speaker 2: generation we were brought up in, which is you own it,
Speaker 2: bring it right, if if if you got it, bring.
Speaker 3: It work, which is workers right. I mean the generation
Speaker 3: we were workers, Yeah, and that's we were kind of
Speaker 3: raised that way and that's how it was, and good
Speaker 3: or bad, it's just it's just a generational thing and
Speaker 3: it just is.
Speaker 2: And I think so you know, we talked about how
Speaker 2: to prepare and you know, leverage that energy so you
Speaker 2: have what you need to be the best you can
Speaker 2: and checking in the day before. For me, I like
Speaker 2: to set things up energetically a week before. That's how
Speaker 2: I like to cook energy. That's just me, not required,
Speaker 2: not better or worse. It's just as long as you're
Speaker 2: getting what you want. It's important. Now. The second part
Speaker 2: of this is when you are clear about what you
Speaker 2: need and you're not taking full responsibility for it, or
Speaker 2: sometimes in an effort to try and get that need met,
Speaker 2: if you're not well rehearsed or you're not well practiced
Speaker 2: asking for it, it can come out a little sideways
Speaker 2: and it can come out a little victimy, and that
Speaker 2: doesn't do you, just as it's not taking care of
Speaker 2: that reputational eight energy by frequency that's surrounding us this year.
Speaker 2: So you know, this is an opportunity to hone that
Speaker 2: skill to really support your needs, but to really think
Speaker 2: about hey, when I get challenged. You know part of
Speaker 2: in astrology when people will talk about, oh, I have
Speaker 2: this grind trine and water, which means it is all
Speaker 2: harmonious and trains are really soft energy and gifts blessings,
Speaker 2: and nobody can really feel them in their chart. So
Speaker 2: they're like, okay, whatever, nothing. It doesn't really get it expressed.
Speaker 2: If you have a square or an opposition, it's harder.
Speaker 2: But it's where you get invited to grow. It's where
Speaker 2: you get invited to expand. And we know that our
Speaker 2: school is hard, so let it be hard with a
Speaker 2: specific reason for your soul expansion. That's the whole invitation here.
Speaker 2: So when you have something at work that's not working
Speaker 2: for you, yay, celebrated and not in a way that's
Speaker 2: like they don't respect me. That's what I hear a
Speaker 2: lot about it. They don't respect me, right, they're not
Speaker 2: taking care of.
Speaker 1: That makes me insane. Well, I mean like I want
Speaker 1: to lose my mind because I've heard people say that. Look,
Speaker 1: that also just doesn't respect me.
Speaker 2: There's so many times that's actually true. I literally had
Speaker 2: an executive tell me that she came in and she's like,
Speaker 2: I was literally on a video, you know, teams or
Speaker 2: something with my boss and one of his peers. And
Speaker 2: his peer literally said, we are very serious people here,
Speaker 2: little lady, little lady, Oh my god. But the thing
Speaker 2: is she did not melt down. She did not. She's like,
Speaker 2: she goes, I'm not gonna lie. I thought for a minute,
Speaker 2: should I turn off my video while I've composed myself,
Speaker 2: And she's like, no, I'm just going to roll with
Speaker 2: this and I will laugh about it later. But right
Speaker 2: just want to die, you know.
Speaker 1: But that's really funny.
Speaker 2: But she did not, you know, say to her boss,
Speaker 2: you didn't save me. You didn't address that. She did
Speaker 2: talk to her boss and say, hey, I don't think
Speaker 2: i'm the best person to go into this meeting because
Speaker 2: he just told me he doesn't see me as a
Speaker 2: serious person. She's a VP in this in this company
Speaker 2: like that. She's like, whatever, I'm just clearly not the person.
Speaker 2: So this is yours. It's all yours, you know. And
Speaker 2: they had a good laugh about it. But the point
Speaker 2: is she didn't go in as a victim because of it.
Speaker 2: She knew this is not, you know, an engagement I
Speaker 2: aspired to repeat and I'm not going to melt in
Speaker 2: the face of it, right, I can am not going
Speaker 2: to be like I can't work under these conditions. I'm
Speaker 2: going to talk to my boss. We're going to come
Speaker 2: up with a plan to make it functional, to make
Speaker 2: it better. And I imagine this man is probably not
Speaker 2: going to say little later to me again, you know,
Speaker 2: like this is because they're going to have a conversation,
Speaker 2: because that's the plan where everyone saves faith, not in
Speaker 2: a dysfunctional way, but in a productive way to keep
Speaker 2: getting work done. And that's what's really important, is so
Speaker 2: that you go in as this is a problem, and
Speaker 2: I'm going to be part of the solution. I this.
Speaker 2: It might just be a problem for me, it might
Speaker 2: be a problem for the organization. It doesn't matter. We're
Speaker 2: going to We're in it together to fix it. We
Speaker 2: can only fix it together. We can't win overall if
Speaker 2: one of us is losing. So let's let's bring it in,
Speaker 2: let's figure it out, right, let's all be adults in
Speaker 2: this way.
Speaker 1: Aren't we seeing a trend as well with people using
Speaker 1: their mental health as reasons to not I don't know,
Speaker 1: get their work done. I I it's it is.
Speaker 2: It has kind of become a just a tagline blanket
Speaker 2: that says. I think of it like it as an
Speaker 2: invisibility cloak, like no one can touch me if I
Speaker 2: say if I say mental health, Yeah, if I play
Speaker 2: the mental health card, and this is so dangerous in
Speaker 2: my mind, because mental health is really serious. It is
Speaker 2: really serious, and that is different than this project is
Speaker 2: a cluster we are behind and it's not working well.
Speaker 2: That cause you stress, yes, but that does not give
Speaker 2: you a hall pass to play the mental health card
Speaker 2: and walk away and someone else has to clean up
Speaker 2: your mass. That is not how it goes, right, It's
Speaker 2: not how it goes Now. If there are things in
Speaker 2: the organization that continue to personally challenge you that's creating stress,
Speaker 2: then that's a mental health issue. But if the work
Speaker 2: is just too hard, that's a whole different thing. Right,
Speaker 2: Those are two different categories. Right.
Speaker 1: See, I thought the weekends were our time for mental
Speaker 1: health breaks. I didn't realize that it was the middle
Speaker 1: of the day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't come until ten today. Actually, did you
Speaker 2: see the article Jody Foster had this? She had some articles.
Speaker 2: She's like, I don't understand these people are like, no,
Speaker 2: I can't come until ten thirty. She's like, I don't understand, right, Like,
Speaker 2: how's that helpful? Right? We have call it six? Like
Speaker 2: we six? I am, we are on site? Why ten thirty?
Speaker 2: That's gonna work?
Speaker 1: Like you imagine how often I've been to work on
Speaker 1: that movie Niad with she I mean, come on, come on,
Speaker 1: y'all watch that. Watch that movie Niad. I think it's
Speaker 1: on Netflix now. I don't know, n y Ad. It's
Speaker 1: about the woman who swam from to Florida and she
Speaker 1: was amazing. You know, Sorry, I have feelings, but it
Speaker 1: was about the article because I think I read something
Speaker 1: similar to that as well, So there you know again.
Speaker 1: I think it gets back to you know, when you
Speaker 1: work for a company, there's there's an agreement, like just
Speaker 1: to start fundamental, there's an agreement you do certain work
Speaker 1: ideally well for money. That's the agreement.
Speaker 2: That's the contract, that is literally an employment contract, payment.
Speaker 1: And exactly right. And I think and where the world is.
Speaker 1: I think that's been kind of lost in certain aspects.
Speaker 1: Not everybody, not everything, but it seems like it's more
Speaker 1: of a pattern than like.
Speaker 2: People have made corporations they're parent right, Yes, you need
Speaker 2: to take care of me you're not meeting my right.
Speaker 1: Right and now there's just certain needs that corporations need
Speaker 1: to be responsible for. But on an individual basis, to use,
Speaker 1: you know, an out like that, I think is just
Speaker 1: it's appalling to me personally. But I'm a I have
Speaker 1: verged on workaholic in my life, so I'm probably not
Speaker 1: the best person to actually comment, even though I just did.
Speaker 1: But I think I love to work, so that's also
Speaker 1: part of my problem.
Speaker 2: I love, I completely understand, and I think it's really
Speaker 2: important for people to be able to celebrate, right, I
Speaker 2: mean literally, our takeline is our school is hard. It
Speaker 2: is hard, and it's that's how we grow. So to
Speaker 2: understand it's part of the privilege of being here with
Speaker 2: a body and running into these things that are challenging
Speaker 2: and celebrating the person on the other end of that challenge.
Speaker 2: Who's allowing you to grow? How allowing you to feel
Speaker 2: that tension and find your strength and resilience and grow,
Speaker 2: you know, like the Grinch, grow your heart like ten
Speaker 2: times bigger, and do it with love. That is ultimately
Speaker 2: all my challenge. How can I do this with love? Yes?
Speaker 2: Could I crush them, absolutely? But how can I do it?
Speaker 1: With love, right, or people can crush you, which I
Speaker 1: have to tell you. When I had my first job
Speaker 1: in advertising was actually kind of a nightmare. And they
Speaker 1: were very strong, actually women, and they were tough, and
Speaker 1: I had no idea what to expect. I'm like, twenty
Speaker 1: whatever the hell do I know?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: And I mean, I was too concerned of building my
Speaker 1: schedule in college around reruns of Livert and Shirley, and
Speaker 1: then I go into this very corporate kind of life
Speaker 1: and and that's all true. But I'm telling you the
Speaker 1: things they pointed out and how hard they were on me,
Speaker 1: I was so grateful because, you know what, those mistakes
Speaker 1: that I made at that time, and this is thirty
Speaker 1: plus years ago, I have not made them since.
Speaker 2: That's exactly right, right, And that's.
Speaker 1: I have not made them since I took it as
Speaker 1: a challenge.
Speaker 2: That's the growth that comes out of the tension. You're like,
Speaker 2: I got this, I got this. I will never make
Speaker 2: that many.
Speaker 1: If they would have babed me, or if I would
Speaker 1: have said I have mental health and mental health break
Speaker 1: for one as they would have laughed me out of
Speaker 1: the building. But for real, they would have.
Speaker 2: Would have it. If you did it twice, they'd replace
Speaker 2: you right.
Speaker 1: In a skinny minute, but it was the And again,
Speaker 1: mental health is real, and I understand it is so
Speaker 1: incredibly real. It is so real, like it's more real
Speaker 1: than it's ever been real, you know. And whether it's
Speaker 1: it is a permanent situation for someone or if it
Speaker 1: is a temporary situation that they're trying to work through,
Speaker 1: it is a very real thing. So neither one of
Speaker 1: us are are dissing on it. It's just that it's
Speaker 1: being used as an excuse for people that aren't suffering
Speaker 1: from a real mental health issue.
Speaker 2: And that's why I think it's dangerous right when when
Speaker 2: when it gets used.
Speaker 1: But even if you feel in the course of your
Speaker 1: work that you are like like you're on yeah, if
Speaker 1: you're even if you're not even keel or you're a
Speaker 1: little teetery, preparing for that day helps so you're not
Speaker 1: like that much, right, It's like you know, breathing at work,
Speaker 1: taking you can listen, do you know many times I
Speaker 1: took bathroom breaks. I didn't have to go to the bathroom,
Speaker 1: and I'm not I'm this is honest. It got true.
Speaker 1: I I became very familiar with the last stall on
Speaker 1: the third floor and Building eighty eight on the Fox lot,
Speaker 1: because sometimes I had a window. Sometimes I just needed
Speaker 1: I needed a time out, right like at school, I
Speaker 1: didn't leave school. I just took a time out and
Speaker 1: I needed to time out to breathe, to ground, to whatever.
Speaker 1: It's so fun. I can see myself doing this now.
Speaker 1: Is that because I was so vivid? I did it
Speaker 1: so much because I felt I was at times I
Speaker 1: was coming on glue, high pressure environment sometimes dealing with
Speaker 1: corporate terrorists, and it's like you just need a minute.
Speaker 1: So that's okay. But blanking out, skipping, grabbing my keys
Speaker 1: and hauling ass out of there is not the answer.
Speaker 1: That's I think what your point is right, Just I
Speaker 1: gave it a lot of color. That's a good job.
Speaker 2: That is my storytelling out. It's so good. It's so good. Yes,
Speaker 2: thank you for routing that up hopefully.
Speaker 1: Thank you for telling us about the last doll and
Speaker 1: the third four, Building eighty eight. There were used to
Speaker 1: take a break my health.
Speaker 2: We need to know that everybody did. But again, I
Speaker 2: think what's important is remembering we've got this eight year
Speaker 2: that's going to support your work and reputation. If you
Speaker 2: invest in it if you use it and leverage it,
Speaker 2: and how to do that personally, and how to work
Speaker 2: within the system you have at work. And you can
Speaker 2: also begin to find mentors or leaders who can work
Speaker 2: on the system if something's not working about the system, right,
Speaker 2: So you can work in the system and on the system.
Speaker 2: So those those are two different things.
Speaker 1: Prep prep prep prep, prep prep prep. I will tell
Speaker 1: y'all and those who read my book know the story
Speaker 1: of Jacob take the wheel. When I knew that something
Speaker 1: was coming and I was prepared, That's the reason I'm
Speaker 1: not dead. Yeah, be prepared, like preparing yourself every day.
Speaker 1: It is worth it. You will be calmer as a result.
Speaker 1: You'll be able to handle whatever comes at you. For real,
Speaker 1: Like I think that is that's the number eight, right,
Speaker 1: Like that's being and you and you'll soar s O
Speaker 1: A R not s O R E because sometimes I
Speaker 1: was there. You're sore, You're just sore. So why not?
Speaker 1: Why why why stumble when you can soar.
Speaker 2: Prepared to soar? People? Remember our school.
Speaker 1: Is hard without the number eight and the other side.
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Speaker 4: a special thanks to our producer Joey Patt and our
Speaker 4: executive producer, Maya Cole Howard, who guides us well we
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