Speaker 1: It's nine O gen one Legen with Jenny Garth and
Speaker 1: Tory Spelling.
Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, look at look at you, Look at you,
Speaker 2: looking at you, look at you. Here's me looking at you,
Speaker 2: looking at you. Amy m's you.
Speaker 3: I'm here. My camera's on, but sometimes I have it's
Speaker 3: boring that I have a couple of different screens on
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Speaker 3: in your hair.
Speaker 1: Ye, we are back for another amazing episode of nine
Speaker 1: O two one. Omg, you guys, and we're so happy
Speaker 1: to be with you.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. We should think of like our own
Speaker 2: thing because I mean another episode. Uh, we're on weekly.
Speaker 2: We're always back. It's a new episode. They just keep
Speaker 2: going and going and going.
Speaker 1: So what would what would you like to change that too?
Speaker 1: Our catch cratchphrase?
Speaker 2: What do you want to know?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: We need something right right? What makes we're back?
Speaker 3: I do think it's hilarious that anyone listening that listens
Speaker 3: to other rewatch podcasts, they're lapping us because most shows
Speaker 3: have twenty episodes and we're still just.
Speaker 1: We are friggin ever last Buddies one of those things
Speaker 1: with the bad energizer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that one's you can't keep us down. It is
Speaker 2: actually Jen, that's so true though, right correct, Yes, it's
Speaker 2: very true.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you think about it, you guys did
Speaker 3: thirty plus episodes a season, so it basically meant you
Speaker 3: were working year round, going, going.
Speaker 1: Going, basically. Yeah, I think we had three months off
Speaker 1: a year.
Speaker 2: And this episode I could see it. I could see
Speaker 2: the wear and tear on how tired we were starting
Speaker 2: to show.
Speaker 3: I do have an interesting thing on that which I
Speaker 3: will hold, or I could say now I'll hold for
Speaker 3: the synopsis and then I will I.
Speaker 2: Will also I love you.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's do this because this was a good one
Speaker 1: you guys, and I got a newfound of faith in
Speaker 1: the show.
Speaker 2: I don't know what happened.
Speaker 5: Ooh, I liked it.
Speaker 1: First of all, I got confused because we were scheduled
Speaker 1: to do this podcast a couple of days ago, and
Speaker 1: then we got some scheduling issues so we had to
Speaker 1: change it.
Speaker 2: So I watched it a few days.
Speaker 1: Ago, and then we were going to do another one,
Speaker 1: and then I was like, wait, which episode is?
Speaker 2: I got so confused.
Speaker 1: Did you rewatch the watch? I did not rewatch it.
Speaker 1: I just went over my material and then it refreshed me, but.
Speaker 5: Talk of it.
Speaker 2: This is why we work so well together, were Yin
Speaker 2: and Yang. She's supremely organized, which I respect I am
Speaker 2: not so I love like it. Actually, that's like a
Speaker 2: turn on when you say things like that and then
Speaker 2: you went over your material.
Speaker 1: I'm happy I could turn you on today. Problem Season five,
Speaker 1: episode nineteen You Guys, Little Monsters aired February first, nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety five.
Speaker 2: And I so want to jump in here and just
Speaker 2: make this fluid, but I got nothing up, no material
Speaker 2: on brand. I mean, I guess I could do it
Speaker 2: from memory.
Speaker 1: Want me to do it? What amy to do the synopsis? Yeah, Jenny,
Speaker 1: you do because we need a drum roll?
Speaker 2: Who the director?
Speaker 6: You guys?
Speaker 2: Can I say it? Guys? Can I just get it?
Speaker 2: And can I? May? I please do it? You know
Speaker 2: I love to do my synopsis.
Speaker 1: I know you do. It starts with the one that
Speaker 1: you do not want to speak about synopsis.
Speaker 2: Aeriel Hunter is back in Spots Ray as her new prey,
Speaker 2: but Donna tries to warn him. The Professor Finley loses
Speaker 2: his tenure battle, but wage's war on poor Brandon. Kelly
Speaker 2: is asked to prove her devotion Dylan makes amends with
Speaker 2: Jim Walsh and Valerie wants her money. Honey, no money,
Speaker 2: no honey.
Speaker 1: Directed by James that House, written by Meredith Stein. Should
Speaker 1: we do some trivia first or should we get.
Speaker 2: Into the breakdown? O?
Speaker 3: Oh, trivia A little bit, little your Man directed you
Speaker 3: My Baby, My Baby.
Speaker 2: This is so yeah? This this okay? So here's the
Speaker 2: first trivia.
Speaker 1: This is the third and the last episode directed by
Speaker 1: James Xhouse.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, yep.
Speaker 1: He directed Strangers in the Night and Truth and Consequences,
Speaker 1: and this is it.
Speaker 2: This is the last one for the whole series or
Speaker 2: just as because they ship them off to Japan, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because the parents move away and we do have
Speaker 1: never seen them.
Speaker 6: I know we forgot about that.
Speaker 2: We have a rager that last night, No am I?
Speaker 5: Oh, go ahead.
Speaker 1: Joe and Jamie Walters performs apparently twice in this episode,
Speaker 1: neither of which I saw.
Speaker 2: Nothing and he does.
Speaker 1: He sings the first song why and Donna watches him
Speaker 1: perform at the after Dark, and the second song is
Speaker 1: called I Know the Game. Do you remember watching him
Speaker 1: perform either of those songs? No?
Speaker 2: Actually, are you shocked?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Those two I do not, So I feel like we
Speaker 2: should have a sash where we get together and just
Speaker 2: listen to and watch the originals and see his performance.
Speaker 1: I want to performance.
Speaker 6: That's a great idea.
Speaker 1: Talent Ray prou It performance appreciation episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sing a lot, how talented he is, even though
Speaker 2: I can't remember these two songs in the moment, but
Speaker 2: we'll go through it.
Speaker 3: So I have a question if you guys notice this.
Speaker 3: So this is the first time it really stood out
Speaker 3: to me that these new.
Speaker 6: People, Ray Vows, new people, these.
Speaker 3: New people Ray and Valerie are really having scenes without
Speaker 3: any of the rest of you. I'm sure it's happened
Speaker 3: a little bit before, but we saw a lot of
Speaker 3: Valerie with meaning.
Speaker 2: Like without a OG cast member.
Speaker 6: So it's like.
Speaker 3: Valerie's got scenes with just Jonesy, Ray's got scenes with
Speaker 3: just Aeriel, and we have a Valerie Ray interaction. So
Speaker 3: I just stood out to me that, Wow, this episode
Speaker 3: was very filled with these new cast members really becoming.
Speaker 2: Opening up some doors.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like like real, I don't know what the word is.
Speaker 3: They're out there on their own without you guys.
Speaker 2: Cool, we need a little break. We're tired. That's so true.
Speaker 6: But yeah, that sort of it was It didn't bother me.
Speaker 3: I enjoyed it, but I did note it that it's like,
Speaker 3: oh wow, they're really giving these people their own storylines.
Speaker 2: Now it's going to keep happening with more and more
Speaker 2: and more people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I like it. I am all of a
Speaker 1: sudden this is my favorite show. I mean, I've kept
Speaker 1: saying that before. I really love the show, but now
Speaker 1: that it's honestly it's gotten like a little soapier, I'm
Speaker 1: so sucked in.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, wait, I just want to hear her
Speaker 2: say that again. I'm so sucked in.
Speaker 5: Not that part, Oh.
Speaker 2: My god it. Oh no, I like.
Speaker 6: So what do we think of this part?
Speaker 2: Usually you do not like it?
Speaker 1: So I know I've changed my ways. People, what do
Speaker 1: you Okay?
Speaker 3: So do you want to start with Ray or Valerie?
Speaker 2: Let's just start the top because I love.
Speaker 1: This amazing what we're provided with, this amazing episode recap
Speaker 1: that our team does, and I have never really fully
Speaker 1: appreciated it until I went through it last night. It's
Speaker 1: so freaking good. So let's just kind of do the
Speaker 1: show like that today.
Speaker 2: Can we do that?
Speaker 3: Just?
Speaker 1: Yes, guys, Lorraine, did you do this?
Speaker 6: Who did this? Lorraine? And Sydney.
Speaker 2: I think are doing it.
Speaker 1: Lorraine and Sydney. Props to you because you guys are
Speaker 1: on fuego.
Speaker 2: Yes, I can't open it, damn it.
Speaker 3: Okay, hold on, yeah, Jenny can just walk us through
Speaker 3: it starting with value.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then we'll just talking about Okay, So we
Speaker 1: opened We opened it. Dylan's house, right, he's back from Hawaii.
Speaker 1: He left Erica with with Iris. I almost said Iris,
Speaker 1: I mean, can I immediately throw a flag on the play?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: What world is it that easy for a child to
Speaker 3: be removed from her parents? I guess, given to her
Speaker 3: long lost brother whatevs, and then give a woman who
Speaker 3: is not her mother, is not a relative in any capacity.
Speaker 2: This is ridiculous.
Speaker 3: Well, courts are involved. It's just like she just lives
Speaker 3: in Hawaii with Iris now, and.
Speaker 1: I was thinking, oh man, what a commitment, Iris, You're
Speaker 1: taking a teenage girl on.
Speaker 2: Wow. I feel like someone brought that up. There's got
Speaker 2: there's always someone.
Speaker 3: The love child of her ex and a random criminal lady.
Speaker 2: Right. I feel like there was someone in the spelling
Speaker 2: team that was like, uh, hold on, there, like we
Speaker 2: gotta do this, and my dad was like, nah, no
Speaker 2: one wants to see that, and Al was.
Speaker 3: Just fine with it. Like I understand her mom is
Speaker 3: a criminal, right, a terrible criminal, but that's still her daughter.
Speaker 3: And Eric is just gonna be fine. She seemed way
Speaker 3: too chill.
Speaker 2: What else is she gonna do?
Speaker 1: And hello, she gets to live in Hawaii with uh
Speaker 1: free to be you and me like hippie mother like
Speaker 1: I thought.
Speaker 2: Me, yeah, same, She's at the.
Speaker 1: Beach every day's complaining, she's thriving, so all right, fine,
Speaker 1: I'll just roll with it. Valeria asks Dylan for a
Speaker 1: cup of money since he helped she helped get Erica back.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Fair. I was super distracted by her outfit though,
Speaker 2: and I couldn't listen to a word.
Speaker 6: She was tea.
Speaker 3: It was not over T shirt.
Speaker 2: That one didn't work. I didn't. You didn't like it?
Speaker 2: Knows it got too sweater best over white tea? Yeah
Speaker 2: yeah it was. Yeah, but it was a rib tea
Speaker 2: Like maybe if the texture had been different, I would
Speaker 2: have been okay with it, but it really bothered me.
Speaker 2: Very very specific about your tea qualities, okay.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 3: And she did have some sort of dessert that I
Speaker 3: thought looked real bad.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 1: She she handmade some chocolate covered strawberries, I think, and
Speaker 1: they looked so bad.
Speaker 2: They did look ratchet. Yeah, they did not like the
Speaker 2: second time they've tried to elude that she's like a
Speaker 2: di y like baker, right, am I wrong? This is
Speaker 2: it's true that bitch cannot bake. I'm sorry. But they
Speaker 2: keep throwing it in there and it's not even well done.
Speaker 2: So is there a reason, like, oh she truck.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe it's like a bit because those were not
Speaker 3: Charter gallery.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't see that that cake that threw you
Speaker 2: over the edge because it was leaning. We didn't like that, Halton.
Speaker 6: Ferries.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Then we go to the peach pit where Brandon shows
Speaker 1: Andrea the article that he's writing and support of Professor Finley,
Speaker 1: and Andrea does not agree with what he's doing.
Speaker 3: M hm right. I got the vine that she's just like, uh, hey,
Speaker 3: there are ulterior motives.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, she's calling him out saying, the only reason
Speaker 1: you're doing this is to make Kelly happy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, trying to like, you know what about professor. But
Speaker 2: he's trying to like buoy up her a little bit
Speaker 2: in a way, like why are you here with me?
Speaker 2: Like you know this is happening, like Jesse and you're
Speaker 2: here with me right now, Like, is he trying to
Speaker 2: throw that back in her face that she like used
Speaker 2: to be obsessed with him?
Speaker 3: Oh, that's interesting, actually, but that's the sort of that's
Speaker 3: all distraction. Still sprinkle, just sort of that's really a
Speaker 3: good call out to her because it's a sprinkle that
Speaker 3: that leads us to what happens in the episode. And
Speaker 3: you're right, I didn't think of that till you said
Speaker 3: it right now. He does say that because Jesse's going
Speaker 3: on the trip, and it is a little illogical that
Speaker 3: she's like at the peach pit with Brandon when her
Speaker 3: husband's about to go.
Speaker 1: Up a little bit for for tell it? What's that
Speaker 1: so called foreshadowing? Foreshadowing?
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 2: Like foretelling though.
Speaker 6: Feeling by later.
Speaker 1: Beach House, where Kelly has organized a phone tree in
Speaker 1: support of Professor Finley. She answers the phone with save
Speaker 1: Finley and dam are all mad that she can't use
Speaker 1: the phone.
Speaker 2: How did sad that your watch was so loose It
Speaker 2: was like a bracelet and it was just like flipping
Speaker 2: all around.
Speaker 1: I don't like tight things around my wrists. I'm sorry more, And.
Speaker 3: How did you get twenty landlines installed in.
Speaker 2: The right like that, I set up headquarters.
Speaker 6: There's no phone guy.
Speaker 3: Just suddenly you've got many, many phone lines just operating
Speaker 3: out of the beach house.
Speaker 1: Is this is this where Kelly says your favorite line, Amy,
Speaker 1: use my car phone.
Speaker 3: Like Donna desperately needs to call Ray and you literally
Speaker 3: just say, use my car phone.
Speaker 2: It'll be fine, not one of these.
Speaker 3: Forty two lines I've mysteriously installed in our homes.
Speaker 1: And don't mind all these random strangers in our house.
Speaker 2: I believe you had been that interested when we were
Speaker 2: doing like all our sorority parties, Like I like organizing
Speaker 2: those parties, and you had no interest in those. But yeah,
Speaker 2: and you've like made this happen like that.
Speaker 1: And she's I really appreciate her organizational skills here.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's some Jenny coming out.
Speaker 2: Is it Jenny? Is it Kelly? I don't know who knows?
Speaker 3: And Donna had a great song that at first I
Speaker 3: thought was a top and then I recalled, oh no,
Speaker 3: that's a dress. It's that cute sort of metallicy silver
Speaker 3: dress that sort of was a memorable outfit.
Speaker 1: Where are you going in this fancy dress? I think
Speaker 1: she's going to the peach pit after dark.
Speaker 2: Yeah, at the time, they were called kimono dresses and
Speaker 2: they were just coming in. Yes, they used to wear them,
Speaker 2: like I would say, I don't know, is it the
Speaker 2: fifties forties, I don't know if they didn't store and
Speaker 2: then they came in. So yeah, like at Ardvark on Melrose,
Speaker 2: I used to get them like secretly, like in the
Speaker 2: late eighties, early nineties. Yeah, you look good, inn't it?
Speaker 1: And I think you wear it to the peach pit
Speaker 1: after dark, which we don't ever get to see.
Speaker 6: But I remembered the dress.
Speaker 3: So when I saw the episode this time, I was like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, there's that dress and it imprinted from
Speaker 3: back in the nineties, I think, as it was like right,
Speaker 3: very fashion forward, and then I'm assuming possibly became a
Speaker 3: trend because of nine oh two one oh.
Speaker 2: So old school. You remember when like men would get
Speaker 2: like uh tatted up and they would get like sexy
Speaker 2: girls like and they would have kimono style dresses on.
Speaker 2: And that's from oh yeah, way back, like yeah, what
Speaker 2: was then?
Speaker 3: Do it all?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: So now we are back at Dylan's house. Yes, Valerie
Speaker 1: gets out of bed because apparently the strawberries worked, and
Speaker 1: she immediately wants her money. Dylan writes her check for
Speaker 1: ten k, and she thinks that's not enough compared to
Speaker 1: the millions that he got. Dylan won't budge and Val.
Speaker 1: He tells Val take it or leave it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I kind of liked that he didn't budge, but
Speaker 3: he maybe could have done a little more.
Speaker 1: What do you think would have been like a correct amount.
Speaker 1: I mean I would have said, like, let's talk about it.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have been like, take it or leave it.
Speaker 1: Because she really did.
Speaker 2: Help him out.
Speaker 5: She did.
Speaker 1: She did, I think put herself in harms.
Speaker 6: Way, say fifty thousand would have.
Speaker 3: And probably he got four million because there was eight
Speaker 3: million and Jonesy got four million.
Speaker 1: Fifty grand back then in the nineties.
Speaker 3: That's he got four million. Because it doesn't matter. Yeah,
Speaker 3: she almost died and got bopped in the face.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, Well here's what's really stressing me out. The
Speaker 2: shot of her pulling up her pants, like it took
Speaker 2: so long, but she she I was waiting for it.
Speaker 2: I was like, is she going to do the top button?
Speaker 2: Because that was her jam right to leave that top
Speaker 2: button open in the nineties. She did it, She did it.
Speaker 3: I did not care for his ever growing Go tea
Speaker 3: that was growing more and more each.
Speaker 2: So it's so sketch because those are in now. And
Speaker 2: when guys do it like that, I'm like, it's so
Speaker 2: like do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not into a go tea at all.
Speaker 2: No, this is this phrase, you guys, and I'm just
Speaker 2: going to tell you I'm not into it. Like he
Speaker 2: saw her, he rocks at Go Tea for more. Now
Speaker 2: this is the beginning. He's gonna Yeah, he's going to
Speaker 2: keep going. It's that and then the hair and then
Speaker 2: the what is it called the mock one button? You
Speaker 2: guys are talking linen like shirt. He's going to keep
Speaker 2: wearing this stuff. And this is not when I find him.
Speaker 2: That's you know, with you.
Speaker 1: I don't like that collar and shirt, her coat because she.
Speaker 3: Was cold and I think she might borrow his coat
Speaker 3: or it's her coat, very cute coat. And I always.
Speaker 2: Notice when he's saying anything.
Speaker 3: So Dylan Luke is a lefty, which really you notice
Speaker 3: when he's right in the check, which I'm.
Speaker 1: Like, I mean going back to the dollar amount. I
Speaker 1: don't think it has anything to do with what he
Speaker 1: gets what he got, that's his money. That's besides the right.
Speaker 1: Truly hired her as an independent hooker, I mean contractor.
Speaker 2: And she should be paid the going rate for such.
Speaker 3: So I think ten thousand feels low on.
Speaker 2: A risk your life. But I'm not going to go
Speaker 2: fifty k for that. Well, I got to go to Mexico.
Speaker 3: I think Jonesy took way too much fifty percent crazy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's really like, why does Jonesy.
Speaker 2: Even need to work anymore?
Speaker 1: Jones again should have been paid a smillary a million.
Speaker 3: I would have given a million to Jonesy because he
Speaker 3: came up with the whole plan, and we wouldn't have
Speaker 3: gotten anything without him. Fifty thousand, maybe a hundred.
Speaker 1: A million dollars a million dollars he would have given him,
Speaker 1: we would have had zero.
Speaker 3: Jonesy found them and cocted the plan, knew how to
Speaker 3: get the money.
Speaker 6: There's no money without Jonesy.
Speaker 3: Okay, he deserves a lot of money.
Speaker 2: I think she deserves more though, but whatever, Oh okay,
Speaker 2: she's getting the boy too right, So he's like throwing
Speaker 2: that in like.
Speaker 1: Moving back to the peach pit. Now the peach pit
Speaker 1: after dark, Ariel shows up and David with her new
Speaker 1: new hairdoo, and David is shocked to see her. Ariel
Speaker 1: says she wants to meet Ray Pruett. Ray is on
Speaker 1: the phone with Donna and of course starts misstree dress
Speaker 1: for not being for not bringing him a clean shirt.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, when Ariel invites Ray to meet her boss.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm puffing fire Storms. So Harry see you're
Speaker 2: getting worked up. I'm getting all did you like her
Speaker 2: new hairdoo? Because I did?
Speaker 5: I did.
Speaker 6: I just thought, Oh, Ariel, up to your old tricks,
Speaker 6: all right?
Speaker 2: Do you have anything else?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because raise a little John Mellencamp and a little
Speaker 3: Joe Cocker.
Speaker 2: Oh he likes name. I was like the classic rockers.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Harry Dixon at Firestorm Record's gonna love him.
Speaker 2: Wait, what about the Is that a real name? Harry Dixon?
Speaker 3: Harry Dixon, No, but it sounds very bad, Harry Dixon.
Speaker 2: Did you guys notice that you make it your new alias?
Speaker 6: When I stayed at a hotel.
Speaker 3: If I was famous, I would totally be like put
Speaker 3: it under Harry Dixon. Ah, she is not going to
Speaker 3: be an an r REP. She's sort of like, I
Speaker 3: don't know I'm not her career path is question mark
Speaker 3: for me.
Speaker 2: But why couldn't she be? I don't know, good, question nothing?
Speaker 2: Why can't she be?
Speaker 1: I think she's doing great. She found David and she
Speaker 1: found Ray. Yeah, let's go to Andrea's house.
Speaker 2: It's like working girl, yep, like using her brain and
Speaker 2: are bot why not?
Speaker 3: She's handed all the big stars.
Speaker 5: Good for her.
Speaker 1: Let's go to Andrea's house where Jesse is going out
Speaker 1: of town, but Hannah is sick, so Jesse tells Andrea
Speaker 1: to call her friend Peter the nurse, the doctor.
Speaker 6: But not a nurse, he's a resident.
Speaker 1: I think, I'm sorry resident, he's a resident And she's like, hmm,
Speaker 1: maybe I will.
Speaker 3: I wrote, uh, and then she immediately calls hello, is
Speaker 3: doctor Peter Tucker on call?
Speaker 6: Oh.
Speaker 2: It's a bummer when you go back in time and
Speaker 2: realize that they kind of set it up for you.
Speaker 3: And it was very sort of, it was very lascivious
Speaker 3: the whole Is that the right word. It's very Yes,
Speaker 3: it's a very intentional sort of inappropriate behavior.
Speaker 2: I like it same, all right?
Speaker 6: Is my favorite moment of Okay.
Speaker 1: Kenny Kelly runs into Brandon and Cindy huh while she's
Speaker 1: with Professor Finley and she is super mean to Brandon.
Speaker 3: Yes, in front of his mother in his very very
Speaker 3: very oversized bomber jacket. I like it, very puffy oversized body.
Speaker 2: Wait, does Cindy still go to college? There is that?
Speaker 1: Because I forgot all about that. I forgot about that,
Speaker 1: or maybe she just brought him lunch.
Speaker 2: No, she's going to school, dude, she's going to class.
Speaker 2: I forgot about that. Yeah, yeah, you're a little frosting,
Speaker 2: like that frostiness from cal cal.
Speaker 1: David tells Donna that the A n R Rep Is aerial,
Speaker 1: and Donna for freaks out.
Speaker 6: Donna with a ponytail. I think I wrote Donna with
Speaker 6: a pone.
Speaker 2: I was not like not that. I honestly cringed in
Speaker 2: my looks this episode. And you know, you, guys, I've
Speaker 2: worked really hard to like be able to watch this
Speaker 2: back and not be like, oh, I don't feel good
Speaker 2: about how I looked in that stuff like that. This
Speaker 2: episode actually took me out. I was like, oh, well.
Speaker 1: Your eyes like puffy, that's natural, that's gonna happen. We
Speaker 1: can't love the way we look all the time.
Speaker 2: Okay, But I was hard I was doing well.
Speaker 1: Though, Remind yourself in those moments of criticizing yourself, you're
Speaker 1: right that you loved think of Yeah.
Speaker 3: You looked great in this episode. By the way, you
Speaker 3: have the iconic dress. What do we think of David
Speaker 3: telling Donna? I thought, good for you, David.
Speaker 1: Oh, now he's gonna be forthcoming with Donna and tell
Speaker 1: her things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's the good point. But I thought, you
Speaker 3: know what, I think he kind of did do the
Speaker 3: right thing.
Speaker 2: This is really setting up their relationship as best friends
Speaker 2: and confidants that goes on for a long time before
Speaker 2: they get back together.
Speaker 3: True.
Speaker 2: True.
Speaker 3: Then at Firestorm Records, Ray in another bomb record there
Speaker 3: was a sale at the bomber Jacket store for this episode.
Speaker 1: Go teas and bomber jackets this.
Speaker 2: Episode fashion wise, I'm sorry, it just lost me. I
Speaker 2: felt like, does someone step in? I don't know. I
Speaker 2: wasn't m.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wasn't thrilled with it either. There was not
Speaker 1: a lot of consistency.
Speaker 2: I noticed.
Speaker 3: It is this where Ariel says, don't make me beg
Speaker 3: to ray Eh, Yeah, that's not professional.
Speaker 2: So I do have that right, don't make me beg.
Speaker 2: He kind of is turning down her her crap offer,
Speaker 2: which I also thought begged, doesn't he.
Speaker 5: Or is a callback?
Speaker 6: I don't know, But is this where he turns down
Speaker 6: the offer?
Speaker 5: Yep?
Speaker 2: Does he do that for Donna? Donna?
Speaker 6: No, he does it because it was an offer.
Speaker 3: And I was impressed by his smarts because he was like,
Speaker 3: I'm not giving you all the publishing.
Speaker 6: Maybe he loves the girl.
Speaker 3: First of all, it was very savvy. He very very savvy,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, Okay, this guy knows what he's doing.
Speaker 3: He was not going to give up publishing. And it
Speaker 3: was legit, like that was a legit conversation between these people.
Speaker 3: And he was like, I don't I'm not so desperate
Speaker 3: that I'm giving you all the rights to all my songs. Yeah,
Speaker 3: she clearly did not do since we can't even hear
Speaker 3: the song.
Speaker 2: He's clearly a very good businessman in real.
Speaker 6: Life as well. Yeah, So that was it.
Speaker 2: That's good.
Speaker 1: So so then Dylan goes to Jim's office, right yep,
Speaker 1: and he asks Jim to be his business manager again
Speaker 1: not leering.
Speaker 3: Oh, I liked him in the suit. And Jim had
Speaker 3: a computer now on his desk.
Speaker 2: Two boys and you were bored.
Speaker 6: They were just there.
Speaker 1: Whenever you say the words business manager, I'm like, ah,
Speaker 1: but it's.
Speaker 3: Different this time, Jenny. It's not going to be like
Speaker 3: last time.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, Dylan does tell him that he gave Val
Speaker 1: thousand dollars, but.
Speaker 2: You know, is Jim yeah, because Jim hates him?
Speaker 5: Is there?
Speaker 2: I'm convinced you happened he does. He doesn't seem to
Speaker 2: care for her.
Speaker 1: No, it's like to it a level, something has hate
Speaker 1: in his heart for Val. I feel like he just
Speaker 1: doesn't trust her.
Speaker 2: It's which is something that is not even fair. But
Speaker 2: I don't think it's something that he's even aware of.
Speaker 2: I don't know there's something more than not trusting because
Speaker 2: I see Jim when he doesn't trust people, and he's
Speaker 2: up front, there's something that even like gets She gets
Speaker 2: under his skin in such a weird way or something else.
Speaker 6: That's it. That's also really true.
Speaker 3: She gets under his skin and maybe he just is
Speaker 3: so he doesn't like her behavior. You know, he's a real.
Speaker 4: Honest he's got maybe this is boy yeah, and this
Speaker 4: is and does she can't compare to his Brenda?
Speaker 2: I know exactly what it is.
Speaker 5: It just hit me.
Speaker 2: You guys, because on some level he could never have
Speaker 2: a girl like that. He's in a very controlled relationship,
Speaker 2: not on purpose, and he's great, but it's very structured
Speaker 2: and very and then he's in his business world. So
Speaker 2: a girl like val is something. It rubs him the
Speaker 2: wrong way because he wishes he could have a girl
Speaker 2: like ew. Sorry, I don't know. I'm happy to have
Speaker 2: conversations about me and Jim. No, it's not real. This
Speaker 2: isn't real. It's subliminal. I don't think even anyone out.
Speaker 3: We're fine to think of you and Jim but not
Speaker 3: his not daughter.
Speaker 2: But not Kelly and Jim.
Speaker 3: H true? True? Yeah, what a different show if Jim
Speaker 3: started having an affair with one of them?
Speaker 2: Okay, do you want me to say Tiffany and Jim?
Speaker 2: Does that work better for you? No? No? Doesn't.
Speaker 6: Once again? Can I say one quick thing?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: Once again?
Speaker 3: Because I do read all the comments because I am
Speaker 3: not the biggest Valerie fan, which why would I be?
Speaker 3: Because she's lying and conniving, right, they don't think they're
Speaker 3: like Tiffany and can I just say.
Speaker 2: For once and for all, no, you don't need to
Speaker 2: say it, can I please?
Speaker 3: Okay? Okay?
Speaker 2: She wants to say it. Let her say it.
Speaker 3: Let not only and my friends with Shannon, I am
Speaker 3: friends with Tiffany.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: You guys, you just are sagging me like I don't
Speaker 3: and I it's so fascinating, And I think it's a
Speaker 3: whole thing about this show, because never if I said
Speaker 3: I don't like I don't know some other character on
Speaker 3: TV that I don't like, do I think people would
Speaker 3: think I don't like the actor.
Speaker 1: It's weird because you're coming from a you are a
Speaker 1: true super fan, and you have very distinct opinions about characters,
Speaker 1: and that's your right, and that's what makes you a
Speaker 1: true super fan. And it's very fascinating to me because
Speaker 1: they're getting out at you about it.
Speaker 6: Yep, and change it to the actor.
Speaker 3: So I do find that fascinating because I think if
Speaker 3: I said to you, like, I'm trying to think of
Speaker 3: another TV show, so I'm watching whatever, I.
Speaker 2: Can't wait, can you not say it or are you
Speaker 2: allowed to do it?
Speaker 3: Pretend I'm watching I don't know, I'm watching twenty four,
Speaker 3: rewatching twenty four and say I was like, I do
Speaker 3: not like the character of Chloe. By the way, I
Speaker 3: do love Chloe but say I didn't. I just don't
Speaker 3: think anyone's gonna think I don't like the actor portraying Chloe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go with One Tree Hill. What happens One
Speaker 2: Tree Hill? So they say I was like, I don't
Speaker 2: like Brook.
Speaker 3: I just don't think anyone's gonna think I don't like
Speaker 3: the actor that played Brook.
Speaker 2: Okay, so this isn't about you. This is about people
Speaker 2: relating to our show Like that show. The actors, the characters,
Speaker 2: they all blurt so much that it's just like hold
Speaker 2: them both their hurts so much.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll speak only for myself, and I know
Speaker 1: you feel the same way I. Jenny was Kelly. Kelly
Speaker 1: was Jenny?
Speaker 2: Like what?
Speaker 1: And that came across through the screen because of the
Speaker 1: way they wrote to our personalities and to the ease
Speaker 1: with which we and the comfort we all felt as
Speaker 1: actors with our characters. So it was so real. I
Speaker 1: feel the same way like I feel like when I
Speaker 1: watch it, it's Donna and Tory are the same person.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I a thousand percent, but you.
Speaker 6: Know it's agree with you.
Speaker 2: But it's also a testament to us as well, not
Speaker 2: just I mean obviously the writers, the producers, and everybody,
Speaker 2: but the fact that we were able to blend us
Speaker 2: and the characters and just be comfortable putting it out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think our our comfort level with each other
Speaker 1: and what our characters really shines through.
Speaker 2: And that's why People really does well.
Speaker 3: And it's so And it's now that you say that,
Speaker 3: because I get upset when I read the comments because
Speaker 3: I'm like, I actually and and now I am friends
Speaker 3: with both of them. I've been I've been friends with
Speaker 3: Tiffany for a long time and I'm friends with Shannon,
Speaker 3: and I get like upset reading it because I start
Speaker 3: to be like, what if Shannon read that and thinks
Speaker 3: I'm not friends with her? And then I'm like, wait, people, yeah,
Speaker 3: people remember Amy Sugarman.
Speaker 1: Is the producer of not only this podcast, but a
Speaker 1: number of podcasts on iHeart, and she.
Speaker 2: Is like a normal number. Yeah, she's a big wig.
Speaker 6: It does not to be about me. It's like, I'm
Speaker 6: so fascinating.
Speaker 3: I get sucked into it too. I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: they think I don't like Tiffany because I don't like Valerie.
Speaker 2: And I'm like falling for it too.
Speaker 3: And I think there is something very unique about the
Speaker 3: show where the actors have melded into the characters, they
Speaker 3: have become synonymous. And maybe it's because and like it's
Speaker 3: the same thing with like I don't know, are they friends?
Speaker 3: People ask me all the time, like are Jenny and
Speaker 3: Tory best friends? And I'm like, yeah, it's just.
Speaker 2: They want to know that it's real they love. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean I think about like how that affected I'll
Speaker 1: speak for myself again, me as a human being being
Speaker 1: melded into a character like that, and then when it
Speaker 1: was over being like wait, who am I if I'm
Speaker 1: not Kelly, Like a part of my body just sort
Speaker 1: of stopped living.
Speaker 2: The day that the show ended, you know.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, that's such a good way saying.
Speaker 2: It just gave me such chills. Like it's it's like
Speaker 2: gives like what do they say when kids like push
Speaker 2: them out of the nest, let them flop, I like,
Speaker 2: you know, go off to college. Like yeah, like when
Speaker 2: this ended in two thousand, like whoa, we were just like,
Speaker 2: oh okay, parts just cut off. Yes, you're right by
Speaker 2: by a part of you was just cut off dead done.
Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, okay, who wants to go boot shopping?
Speaker 2: Valerie? Oh I thought you were asking me. I'm like, okay, sure, I'd.
Speaker 1: Love to No, but Ariel takes Ray to buy some
Speaker 1: cowboy boots, which is not his dog.
Speaker 2: Say it like that, you love cowboy boots.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's more of a like a motorcycle boot guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like a Doc Martin combat booth.
Speaker 6: Fine motorcycle.
Speaker 2: But who's there, Valerie?
Speaker 3: Of all the gin joints on rodeo for walking, they're
Speaker 3: at the story.
Speaker 2: The symbolism you guys walk all over you. These boots
Speaker 2: are made for walking. Oh yeah.
Speaker 3: I also thought her outfit was extraordinarily expensive for the nineties.
Speaker 3: Nine hundred and sixty five dollars is expensive.
Speaker 2: Now was it leather? What was happening? Like a leather blazer?
Speaker 3: So she was probably buying what a four thousand dollars outfit?
Speaker 2: If it was today, it's like very can't buy me love?
Speaker 6: She left it?
Speaker 1: Or did she go buy it at that what's that
Speaker 1: store on the Melrose corner there that we always.
Speaker 3: Her white white jacket and can't buy me love?
Speaker 2: Fred's Seagull don't spill ready wine, it's gone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she probably bought that at Fred's Siegel.
Speaker 3: How about Valerie?
Speaker 1: Are putting her claws into another.
Speaker 2: Man, don't we all? I was like, oh, man, here we.
Speaker 1: Go, here we go another bit of for telling.
Speaker 2: Yes, and.
Speaker 3: That doesn't mean I don't love Tiffany, but I sure
Speaker 3: don't like Valerie going on Donna's man like that.
Speaker 2: Hello, what do you mean they all take my man?
Speaker 2: So what is it? It's irrelevant at this point. Kelly
Speaker 2: does not take your man ever. Ever. Wait, whoa real
Speaker 2: friend we except in real life?
Speaker 1: Remember when you told me, O, my god, what is it?
Speaker 6: Oh god, what is it?
Speaker 3: You told this story?
Speaker 2: Oh my god? What is it? So?
Speaker 1: I was leaving to do a movie of the week
Speaker 1: and I was talking to Tory about who was was cast?
Speaker 1: Who do I cast as my love interest?
Speaker 2: And who did you cast? Mister Peter FATCHELLI? Uh huh,
Speaker 2: I like a good timeline though, yah yeah uh.
Speaker 1: And when I said that, I got an unexpected reaction
Speaker 1: from you.
Speaker 6: Wait, Tori, what did you say?
Speaker 2: Cutie? He's a cutie? I said something along the lines
Speaker 2: and best friend world like however it was and it's
Speaker 2: not verbatim, Like no, wait, I've been talking to that
Speaker 2: guy like he likes me, Like, don't don't pick up
Speaker 2: with him. He's mine, he's mine.
Speaker 3: Yes, stop it, stop it, stop it okay, Jen backstory, Okay,
Speaker 3: so I'm gonna get this wrong.
Speaker 2: Stop I won't. So Peter was in a movie for
Speaker 2: Fox that was really clearly well like a male prostitute.
Speaker 2: Uh huh, and that was like his first thing and
Speaker 2: he was getting attention and they had some Fox people
Speaker 2: come and do this like Charity night and thing, and
Speaker 2: Peter and I met and we hit it off and
Speaker 2: I gave him my number and then nothing went after that.
Speaker 2: And then I remember telling jen like, oh, this guy
Speaker 2: he's on Fox, like he's really cute, like nice, cool, funny.
Speaker 2: And then Jenen was like, oh and I cast this guy.
Speaker 2: I was like, no, wait, that's the guy I told
Speaker 2: you about. He's mine. This is happening.
Speaker 3: So wait, Jenny, Peter was cast opposite you, and that
Speaker 3: is how you fell in love.
Speaker 2: Wait hold on, did you hear right when she said
Speaker 2: the first time she cast him?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was producing that film and uh.
Speaker 6: What Phil, Well, first of all, what movie was it?
Speaker 2: Oh God, what was the name of it?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Shoot, Like the funny part is is that shit finished?
Speaker 6: Were you? How did okay? I know we're doing therapy nine?
Speaker 2: Two one.
Speaker 3: Oh, but how did you feel when you realize not
Speaker 3: only did they like each other, but they got married.
Speaker 1: Oh and we didn't get married for a long time.
Speaker 2: It took four years for that.
Speaker 1: I got knocked up, we had a baby.
Speaker 2: This is a great question because to be honest, like
Speaker 2: we flirted, but there was something like and Jen knows this,
Speaker 2: like if I had wanted to go forward, like I
Speaker 2: would have returned his call. I would have there was
Speaker 2: something that didn't mesh for us. But I thought super
Speaker 2: hawk eye, super like. But there was that like best
Speaker 2: friend thing like wait, shoot, you could have anyone you want.
Speaker 2: You're amazing, Like and I know what happens when people
Speaker 2: go away and co stars, right, And she did have
Speaker 2: the power that you know if they're like here there's
Speaker 2: this person, this person, this person, she can be like, Okay,
Speaker 2: she had chemistry read with him, she liked him, and
Speaker 2: she's like that's my top choice and they're gonna cast him.
Speaker 2: So I was just like it was more like, hey, funny,
Speaker 2: like he's mine, put in a good word for me,
Speaker 2: wink wink. But then when I found out, I honestly
Speaker 2: didn't feel anything about it because I didn't feel like
Speaker 2: he was right for me. I think he was cort back.
Speaker 1: And being like, so, remember when you told me stay
Speaker 1: away from him. I I'm sorry.
Speaker 6: This really brings me back.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry he's moving in next week, but he's only
Speaker 2: bringing a TV. Oh my gosh, that's amazing too.
Speaker 6: This brings me back to the whole thing.
Speaker 3: Of why these characters are so blended with real people,
Speaker 3: because it is it's all just one big mess of blur.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you know what. It actually wasn't weird
Speaker 2: with Jen, like it just I don't know why. I
Speaker 2: am having a flashback right now that I've never remembered
Speaker 2: the first time. Peter though, however, came to see Jen
Speaker 2: on set after the movie Rafter and we were back
Speaker 2: at nine and two. I'm remembering him right now walking
Speaker 2: into the makeup trailer and our eyes met, and I
Speaker 2: did feel like, oh, that's weird, and I think he thought, oh,
Speaker 2: that's weird, and then we're both like whatever, and he
Speaker 2: was awesome, like till yeah, oh my gosh, this is
Speaker 2: Peter was like one of the girls. Remember Jen, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Oh he was Yeah, And I liked it because Jen
Speaker 2: had had some other relationships where I didn't love how
Speaker 2: she was treated and Peter like was doting on her,
Speaker 2: and it was what she deserved at the time. You
Speaker 2: know what I mean? What year was a journey?
Speaker 6: And I really was an un whatever an affair?
Speaker 3: What was it, Randy ninety four?
Speaker 2: Unfinished? An unfinished affair? When was what did you call it?
Speaker 3: An un filtered affair? And it was an un something?
Speaker 6: What year was that?
Speaker 2: Like, is this happening right now? Nineteen ninety four? Oh
Speaker 2: my god, so.
Speaker 3: It's all happening right now, So we're telling the story
Speaker 3: right at the right time.
Speaker 2: It's all happening right now. Yep.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's a that's a good one from the vault.
Speaker 1: I was just really glad you weren't mad at me.
Speaker 2: I wanted you to be happy first of all, and
Speaker 2: you came back beaming and glowing, and it was something
Speaker 2: in you I hadn't seen before. And as a friend,
Speaker 2: you see that and it's like, ooh, it's worth more
Speaker 2: than a guy's so sweet. Yeah, fact, wow, Okay, And
Speaker 2: Jen's not that type, like if it was meant to be,
Speaker 2: do you know.
Speaker 6: What I'm saying? Okay, so we know you know what
Speaker 6: I mean.
Speaker 2: Jenn is never that friend that's ever going to flirt
Speaker 2: with your man ever? And I go on record here
Speaker 2: for lewis you should she I am, she would never
Speaker 2: flirt with your man like you never have to be
Speaker 2: worried about that. Like girls, you're always like, oh, I
Speaker 2: don't know, like is there something ever? And we've known
Speaker 2: each other my friends since we're sixteen and seventeen, and
Speaker 2: never not once. She's not that tight?
Speaker 3: Well, Valerie is.
Speaker 2: This is true? Sorry, thank you so much. I'm bringing
Speaker 2: it all back talking to Ray, so take it away, Ray, Wait,
Speaker 2: where do we see that?
Speaker 1: Donna tells the beach apartment. Yeah, but the beach barmon.
Speaker 1: Donna tells Ray the Ariel was the reason that she
Speaker 1: and David broke up, and she tells Ray to give
Speaker 1: back those boots and stop seeing Ariel, but Ray refuses
Speaker 1: and says his career is his business and his priority.
Speaker 3: Why did I write Donna is cutting? What was she cutting?
Speaker 1: She's dead serious about like, no, yeah.
Speaker 6: She was, which I thought was an overstep of Donna.
Speaker 2: But I liked it. It's one of those times where
Speaker 2: they do that, and I'm sure I felt super uncomfortable
Speaker 2: to saying that word.
Speaker 6: It was very not Tory like to be like, I
Speaker 6: will not take this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't character both of us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I thought he made a good point. He's
Speaker 3: his point was number one. It is his career and
Speaker 3: he does need to take it seriously. They do kind
Speaker 3: of buy boots forever everybody, you know, which was I
Speaker 3: don't know. He was sort of saying they sort of
Speaker 3: entice their clients dangle a carrot. She was overstepping, but
Speaker 3: the point was well taken, Like, this is dicey, and
Speaker 3: you should know how dicey this is.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So Kelly goes to find Brandon uh in the newspaper
Speaker 1: office I think.
Speaker 2: In a good outfit yeah.
Speaker 1: And says she's happy with the article that he wrote.
Speaker 1: But then she gets upset with him because Brandon asks
Speaker 1: to spend more time with her. So we really feel
Speaker 1: like the rift is developing between them, sort of like.
Speaker 3: Also some foreshadowing because of Finley. What wtf Binley?
Speaker 2: WTF?
Speaker 3: I know I'm getting a little ahead, but you can't
Speaker 3: do that. Yeah, because we're doing it new, I like it.
Speaker 2: Keep it going. Peach Pit after Dark.
Speaker 1: David tries to warn Ray to be careful about Aeryl,
Speaker 1: and Ray says that Ariel wasn't the only one who
Speaker 1: burned Donna.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, mic drop, although I did again like David.
Speaker 3: David is really doing sort of the right thing, yes,
Speaker 3: in this episode, and I thought that took some.
Speaker 2: Guts because he's done season.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, it's very feels very inauthentic to me
Speaker 1: now because it's out of nowhere for him to be
Speaker 1: like saying the right thing and thinking about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm.
Speaker 1: Gonna go with it and give him the benefit of
Speaker 1: the doubt. And yeah, maybe he's grown, which is awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, you just said a mic drop there, but
Speaker 2: that's irrelevant since we can't hear any of the music
Speaker 2: ever seen. We didn't even hear the mic drops.
Speaker 3: And it's like he's just always at the peach pit
Speaker 3: in our world and after dark, but never actually performing.
Speaker 1: Like hmmm, so back of the peach Pit, Donna complains
Speaker 1: to Claire about Ariel. She also says Kelly is not
Speaker 1: helpful because all she does is talk Finley Psy Go Babbyl.
Speaker 1: Claire tells Donna that Finley's days are numbered.
Speaker 2: It's like a Babbyl at the wash house.
Speaker 1: Dylan is there to have dinner with the Walsh family.
Speaker 1: Cindy asks I like this.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Cindy asks him if they should be worried about Valerie,
Speaker 1: and he gives a sort of a this girl, yeah,
Speaker 1: he gives them calls to be concerned.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And this is also where I enjoyed seeing the
Speaker 3: orange lining in Brandon's very large bomber jacket.
Speaker 1: Remember the orange lining in those gym But it was
Speaker 1: so legit.
Speaker 3: That's why I'm like, I don't understand why guys didn't
Speaker 3: love the fashion. You know what it was the girls did.
Speaker 3: Maybe well, Donna had a good dress. I did not
Speaker 3: like the burgundy outfit that Kelly was wearing, but I
Speaker 3: kept noticing the fashion, the boots, the every Valerie's leather
Speaker 3: best whatever that.
Speaker 2: They stood out. You're right, Yeah, it was very almost
Speaker 2: a little way but.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe it wasn't like so on point, but it
Speaker 3: was definitely fashion centric.
Speaker 1: And this is the point where what you were talking about,
Speaker 1: where Valerie goes to Jonesy's house hotel, Yeah, and asks
Speaker 1: for money and he says.
Speaker 2: That he will pay her if she agrees to.
Speaker 1: Work quote with him in the future.
Speaker 3: She is just going all over town to get money
Speaker 3: for this gig she did.
Speaker 2: She's got a supporter weed habit double dip.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 3: I have a funny weed story about this, but we'll
Speaker 3: do it later. Jonesy is creepy and not creepy at
Speaker 3: the same time. For me, I'm like, oh, he's so creepy. Wait,
Speaker 3: maybe he's nice. He's weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's something like so free about him that's enticing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's just like when makes it, I'm not going
Speaker 3: to sleep with you.
Speaker 2: So that was real clear.
Speaker 3: And then he was sort of like, I wasn't even
Speaker 3: gonna ask you that, like it's all they do in
Speaker 3: a little dance. And this is where I noticed, like, Wow,
Speaker 3: there's not a primary nine O two one Oho actor
Speaker 3: in this scene.
Speaker 2: So does does Galary go on to work for Jonesy?
Speaker 1: And is this something we see moving forward? I don't know,
Speaker 1: or is this just like a conversation that never goes
Speaker 1: I think the point more is she's got money.
Speaker 3: Now, she's got money.
Speaker 2: And she's not just a bad baker. She's a clever one.
Speaker 2: She's clever. She she she she outsmarts, not outsmarts these men,
Speaker 2: but she definitely knows what to say or when to
Speaker 2: say and plays accordingly.
Speaker 6: Yeah, she's savvy.
Speaker 2: How did you get savvy? Savvy is my question. She's
Speaker 2: born with it. Yeah, she's kind of she's got it dark.
Speaker 1: Then you guys would get to see the Andrea Peter
Speaker 1: thing on, and Andrea says that her heart is beating
Speaker 1: fast Doctor Tucker and they start kissing.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it was so in public. It was
Speaker 2: so crazy.
Speaker 3: She was gussied up, she was bared for the she
Speaker 3: was gussied up, and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: there's a hand I think there was a hand touch
Speaker 3: and I was just like, oh my god. And then
Speaker 3: there's a kiss.
Speaker 1: It was just yeah, it's too scary. They're just right
Speaker 1: there at the Equator coffee house.
Speaker 6: I do know as I messed up.
Speaker 3: I think right before this was actually the scene where
Speaker 3: Ray's like, I'm not so dumb for the second rate deal.
Speaker 2: I apologize I did.
Speaker 1: He goes back to the record company says, no, I'm
Speaker 1: not into that deal.
Speaker 2: You guys can't have my publishing rights.
Speaker 1: Then we go on to California University University where Professor
Speaker 1: Finley is talking to the students and he tells that
Speaker 1: he that he is ready for the meeting tonight.
Speaker 2: Okay, big build up there the peach bit.
Speaker 1: Ariel barges in on Donna and Ray's lunch and tells
Speaker 1: Donna to help convince Ray to sign and it's gonna
Speaker 1: work out.
Speaker 6: Ariel correct.
Speaker 3: And I liked having them in a scene together saucy
Speaker 3: when Ray, How was.
Speaker 1: That when you guys film that scene?
Speaker 2: Were you?
Speaker 1: What do you remember the crossover of Donna.
Speaker 2: Tory Ariel? Yeah? Isn't it funny what I remember and
Speaker 2: don't remember? And I remember everything, but when it comes
Speaker 2: to things that are too like emotional and fun, personal
Speaker 2: and intimate, I start to Yeah, I'm like, there's a block.
Speaker 2: That's how PTSD works.
Speaker 3: Okay, perfectly put Donna and Ariel in these scenes. Like
Speaker 3: first of all, this the Limo scene was still kind
Speaker 3: of scarring, and I think we even got a flashback
Speaker 3: to it, like that was rough right when oh yeah,
Speaker 3: flashback because Donna knock knock knocking at the window. And
Speaker 3: then now we've got this sort of like who wants
Speaker 3: to sit down at a booth over a tuna melt
Speaker 3: with the girl that like gave their boyfriend?
Speaker 2: Yeah, some kind of an STD crabs I think God
Speaker 2: say like, yeah, it's virginity and that's something.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, but the Crabs has scarred me, really scarred.
Speaker 6: I had never heard of anything like it. I know.
Speaker 3: I think I told the story and then when that
Speaker 3: happened on nine on to and I was like, and
Speaker 3: I know I couldn't google it, but somehow I must
Speaker 3: have researched it because I was like, this is something
Speaker 3: I don't want.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I was right at that age.
Speaker 3: I was at the same age, so I was like,
Speaker 3: if I'm gonna be around boys.
Speaker 2: This is something I want to avoid.
Speaker 3: So what did I get an encyclopedia out?
Speaker 2: I don't know how I read it. I sponsored by RAID,
Speaker 2: just kidding.
Speaker 1: This is also the point where Valorie shows up in
Speaker 1: her sporty new car and Dylan accuses her of acting
Speaker 1: like a hooker.
Speaker 3: So I couldn't get the math figured out because we
Speaker 3: know that Dylan only gave her ten thousand dollars. So
Speaker 3: let's say Jonesy gave her. I mean, even though I
Speaker 3: saw the money, I think they were hundreds at most,
Speaker 3: that was only ten thousand dollars maybe twenty?
Speaker 2: Right? Just how much was that car? You think? What
Speaker 2: in the car? She least it? Right? What kind of
Speaker 2: car was it.
Speaker 3: It was some sporty thing, right. I just couldn't do
Speaker 3: the math. It seems like she's blown all her money
Speaker 3: on the car, so.
Speaker 1: That's her car for out for the whole show, Like
Speaker 1: this is a VAL's car?
Speaker 2: Really, I can't remember. I don't know. It just felt
Speaker 2: like I thought it was symbolic and making comparison of
Speaker 2: when men kind of tried to swing their and buy
Speaker 2: sports cars and like just look like I have big energy,
Speaker 2: but you really have a small So it felt like that.
Speaker 2: But it's a female, which I kind of appreciate it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and he does have a big I think so.
Speaker 3: And I think you kind of realize and maybe I'm
Speaker 3: reading into it. Money is super important to Valerie to
Speaker 3: feel like she's a part of Beverly Hills or that
Speaker 3: she can hang right, because it's all about the flash, right.
Speaker 3: She's not taking the money and high tailing it out
Speaker 3: of there. She's buying the cars, she's buying the clothes,
Speaker 3: like you know, it's a status, Like I'm going to
Speaker 3: have this money because now I have status and I'm
Speaker 3: going to be sure part of this.
Speaker 1: And then we finish up at California University again where we.
Speaker 2: See professor couldn't even stay on the street face no.
Speaker 1: Like California univers Bad. Professor Finley loses his job, but
Speaker 1: says he will continue teaching people even from his own
Speaker 1: living room.
Speaker 2: If he has to, or his officers bedroom.
Speaker 1: Or Kelly ditches Brandon for Finley, and Professor Finley tells
Speaker 1: Kelly to break up with Brandon because he isn't supportive
Speaker 1: of the new evolution, and.
Speaker 2: She Freudian slash. Finley slipped and said, Dylan and Brandon,
Speaker 2: did you guys hear that it was hot?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 2: So, Yeah, this is where.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm not on board with this because
Speaker 1: I don't see how Kelly would be brainwashed to ditch Brandon,
Speaker 1: who she loves, Who's who's just clearly tried to help
Speaker 1: her with the article and has asked to spend more
Speaker 1: time with her. Like, how is she so in this?
Speaker 1: Finley's like web that she That's what they do.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's what they do. And may I bring this
Speaker 2: all back to a story that we told earlier, Jen,
Speaker 2: what other character did Peter play in a movie?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 2: That's recent, right?
Speaker 5: He yeah?
Speaker 1: Played what's that called cult cult guy?
Speaker 2: H Yes, the guy Peter Fatchinelli played him. There's a movie.
Speaker 1: There's a doc and there's a movie that was made
Speaker 1: for TV and scripted. Peter was in it, and Peter
Speaker 1: was great. I should have seen this coming.
Speaker 6: Yeah, escaping the cult.
Speaker 1: I believe that he could have been a really good
Speaker 1: cult leader.
Speaker 2: Wait, who are talking about here? Now I'm panicking.
Speaker 1: I believe that Peter could have been a really good
Speaker 1: cult leader in real life. Like he's good at that
Speaker 1: convincing you, he's a good like.
Speaker 6: This is Josie. I need to watch this.
Speaker 3: It was Kate. He played Keith Ramier. Keith Ramier.
Speaker 2: But how interesting that we're talking about this storyline with
Speaker 2: you which was done nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 3: Whoa and Kathin Oxenburg bringing it all back to the
Speaker 3: Aaron Stout world. So Katherin Oxenburg narrates the story.
Speaker 2: Because it's her daughter was India.
Speaker 3: That Katherine Oxenberg was on Dynasty. She played Amanda Carrington.
Speaker 3: Oh she was a Carrington. She must marry something. Oh
Speaker 3: she married Adam. I think she married Adam Carrid that's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but wasn't she at moult Davie when the whole
Speaker 2: thing Like.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what I that's why there's some and she
Speaker 6: is royalty in.
Speaker 2: Real life, a real princess. Oh oh, let's bring it
Speaker 2: all back. Who then went on to marry Casper van Deen.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's like six degrees of nine O
Speaker 2: two and zero. She married Casper. They went on to
Speaker 2: have children together, do a reality show, do a real
Speaker 2: handy show, and then they told them married to a
Speaker 2: famous princess in real life. And yeah, and her book
Speaker 2: is great. We know Casper played Oh I just blinked
Speaker 2: right that preppy expression stone.
Speaker 3: Yeah anyway, okay, wow, so hmm that's what they do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: I feel like you guys have just brainwashed me, so
Speaker 1: I believe you.
Speaker 3: But I do think that is the thing that she
Speaker 3: has been sucked into this guy, and she's which happens
Speaker 3: in these situations. She's forgetting everything. And then he does
Speaker 3: what they do, wants her to break up with Brandon.
Speaker 2: They isolate you, isolate you from your circle. Hold. She
Speaker 2: doesn't do this, Oh she does? Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Wait why was this episode called Little Monsters? Anybody?
Speaker 2: That's why I was.
Speaker 1: So confused in the very beginning. I was like, wait,
Speaker 1: we're going to recap the Monsters. I don't remember watching
Speaker 1: anything about.
Speaker 3: Kids stray before Lady Gaga.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was confused, what could it be? Just throw spitball.
Speaker 3: These people are little monsters. I don't know, like Ariel,
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I Burial vow wonder Andrea Philly. This a little monster juicy.
Speaker 2: It is such a really juicy.
Speaker 1: It's such a ten ten ten ten ten ten. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, you guys we agree the first time, maybe
Speaker 1: a second time Dancing with the Stars, perfect score. Wow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: longest podcast ever. But I really feel like we covered
Speaker 1: the shot out of this. I feel really good about this.
Speaker 1: That was it was.
Speaker 2: It was Yeah, Well guess what week. We'll be back again.
Speaker 1: Next week with another new episode and then next week
Speaker 1: what is our episode?
Speaker 2: Next week? Let me see you let me see the
Speaker 2: one that's only on DVD. But oh yeah, that's right.
Speaker 6: It's a weirdo one.
Speaker 5: This is the one.
Speaker 1: You guys have to go, uh get your EVD collection out,
Speaker 1: or or find a weird creepy bootleg like Amy did.
Speaker 3: And somebody found their DVD player in the text. Was
Speaker 3: that you Jenny yeah Ing.
Speaker 2: Season five, episode twenty You gotta have heart.
Speaker 6: There must be too many songs.
Speaker 2: They couldn't even cut them out. Have a great week.
Speaker 2: You guys, I love you.