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Speaker 1: On today's episode of the Mets du podcast, we talk

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Speaker 1: about the spring breakout game, because holy shit, the Mets

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Speaker 1: were amazing. They looked fantastic. Steve Cohen addressed the media,

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Speaker 1: talks about the future of the team, talks about Pete a, Lonzo,

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Speaker 1: and a lot more, as well as we have a

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Speaker 1: viewer mail bag all that on this episode of the

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Speaker 1: Mets Up podcast.

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Speaker 2: What is Up?

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Speaker 1: Mets fans, Welcome back to another episode of the Mets

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Speaker 1: Stuff Podcast. We are actually super excited to talk to

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Speaker 1: you guys. Say you heard how much we love talking

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Speaker 1: about prospects, something we didn't get to do too much

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Speaker 1: in the past, but now we get to talk about

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Speaker 1: them again and we're ready to rock and roll. The

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Speaker 1: spring breakout game just happened, and the Mets were phenomenal. Like,

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Speaker 1: this is the thing that I think we're the most

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Speaker 1: excited about. Steve Cohen spoke, it's whatever. We'll go over

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Speaker 1: that as well, just because we kind of have to

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Speaker 1: as a Mets podcast. But really the majority of this

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Speaker 1: it could be a lot of prospect talk, a lot

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Speaker 1: of pitching talk, a lot about the future of this team.

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Speaker 1: The spring breakout game was amazing, James, We got to

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Speaker 1: live stream it. What were your initial thoughts about how

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Speaker 2: I mean for the Mets themselves. This was as excited

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Speaker 2: I think as we've been as Mets fans basically a

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Speaker 2: season fell apart last year. Just like watching a team

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Speaker 2: of Mets players look dominant inning after ending, pitcher after pitcher,

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Speaker 2: lots of hitters having really good at bad, sitting the

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Speaker 2: ball really hard, and then just being able to showcase

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Speaker 2: their talents like this was like third episode. Row is

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Speaker 2: the best marketing move by MLB since steroids, and like

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Speaker 2: having these games day after day and spring training it's

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Speaker 2: been incredible. But also the luck of MLB not re

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Speaker 2: associated with the Mets, but that they got Arizona's one

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Speaker 2: rainstorm a year when they had all the spring breakout

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Speaker 2: games planned like that sucked ass, but it's just incredible,

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Speaker 2: like such a good idea and just so cool to

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Speaker 2: see all these guys in the dug out together, having

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Speaker 2: positions were aligned when they were aligned together, seeing the

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Speaker 2: cool and like if you guys tuned into livestream, you

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Speaker 2: could definitely hear Mine and Mark's excitements. We were going

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Speaker 2: through this game even though as South Carolina was getting

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Speaker 2: such a good idea. I'm really excited. This is going

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Speaker 1: Okay, so who impressed you the most during the spring

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Speaker 1: breakout game?

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Speaker 2: I think, by far from the Mets, the most impressive

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Speaker 2: he's been no different. He was throwing ninety nine miles

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Speaker 1: Now. I know we asked for male bad questions at

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is zero percent chant. Something crazy that have

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Speaker 2: I this slider that Nolan McLean has h might have

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Speaker 2: Shame on us honestly for not talking about Hamil enough

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Speaker 2: Famer and one guy who Marks always thinks is overrated,

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00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:25,440
Speaker 2: but it's just him, him, him, and hitting a ball

432
00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:27,880
Speaker 2: one twelve as a teenager. It's freaky shit like his

433
00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,960
Speaker 2: previous high. Like digging through scathering reports, Eric Loganhiggens said

434
00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:32,720
Speaker 2: it was about one oh eight one oh nine, which

435
00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:35,080
Speaker 2: would put him in like the top fifty percentile of

436
00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,120
Speaker 2: Major League Baseball players as an eighteen nineteen year old.

437
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Speaker 2: This puts him in the top like eighty percent tile

438
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Speaker 2: of major League Baseball players and the top ninety nine

439
00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,280
Speaker 2: percent tile of teenagers. Like that is not a joke

440
00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:45,880
Speaker 2: and that like that, And we kind of hitted it

441
00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,560
Speaker 2: that last week before the breakout, like there are situations

442
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Speaker 2: where one thing can change from his prospects standings, and

443
00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:52,480
Speaker 2: this was literally it, like now we have someone with

444
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Speaker 2: like seventy great ropower in the system.

445
00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:58,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, the he would currently fall into the one ten

446
00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:00,920
Speaker 1: slot among qualified hitters right now, one ten out of

447
00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:04,760
Speaker 1: two point fifty nine, around guys like Brandon Neimo, Jerry Keal, Nick,

448
00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,680
Speaker 1: Max Kepler, Paul Goldschmidt, And it's only a couple mile

449
00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,600
Speaker 1: or a couple ticks lower than j. D. Martinez, who

450
00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:13,879
Speaker 1: Mets fans are clamoring for, so just goes to show you, like,

451
00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,399
Speaker 1: you know, these prospects what they can do. It's so interesting,

452
00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,280
Speaker 1: Like you said, this game is so awesome. How many

453
00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:20,119
Speaker 1: of you have ever seen Hazus Spy has hit a baseball?

454
00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:21,560
Speaker 1: Probably none of you. You got a chance to see it,

455
00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:23,240
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh my goodness, gonna keep an eye

456
00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:24,600
Speaker 1: out for him. Someone else. I want to keep an

457
00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:27,680
Speaker 1: eye out for Marco Vargas. I spoke about when I

458
00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:29,440
Speaker 1: saw him in PSL, how impressed I was with it

459
00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:31,560
Speaker 1: as a bat in the late endings of the game.

460
00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:33,800
Speaker 1: Even more impressed with what we saw in this game.

461
00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:35,840
Speaker 1: The dude has a command for the shrike zone. I

462
00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:38,080
Speaker 1: think we've said Matt Eddie's called like these guys before,

463
00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,520
Speaker 1: very hitterterish, and if you watched him in this game,

464
00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:42,320
Speaker 1: you would totally understand it. He had like an O

465
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Speaker 1: two count against Harlan Susana, who honestly might have the

466
00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:48,399
Speaker 1: nasties stuff in the minor leagus. From what it looks like,

467
00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:50,840
Speaker 1: the guy was throwing one hundred and three with like ease.

468
00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,280
Speaker 2: There might be more behind that, which was kind of crazy,

469
00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:55,920
Speaker 2: and he was down O two and work to walk

470
00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,400
Speaker 2: against them, faldofs and pitches, took some close ones, spin

471
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Speaker 2: on some sliders. That to me is the thing where

472
00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,399
Speaker 2: that separates those guys, because like you have the ability

473
00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:05,280
Speaker 2: to get stronger by working out, you have the ability to,

474
00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:09,000
Speaker 2: like whatever, work on things. But like the actual way

475
00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:11,360
Speaker 2: that he sees the pitches, the play discipline at such

476
00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:14,720
Speaker 2: a young age just absolutely awesome. I thought it was

477
00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:17,840
Speaker 2: interesting that Vargas and Alex Ramirez were the only two

478
00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:19,960
Speaker 2: Mets to play all seven innings of this game, so

479
00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,000
Speaker 2: each of them had the opportunity to have three at bats,

480
00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,440
Speaker 2: three play appearance. Three at bats, not three play appearances

481
00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,120
Speaker 2: because I use play appearances that have at bats, because

482
00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,439
Speaker 2: Vargas and his three plate appearances walk twice one off

483
00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:32,399
Speaker 2: the O two and Carlo Tusana another one that I

484
00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:33,560
Speaker 2: think he was down in the can and wore a

485
00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:35,000
Speaker 2: couple of foul balls, and then the one ball he

486
00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:38,199
Speaker 2: actually put in play, he opposite fielded it for one

487
00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:40,160
Speaker 2: hundred miles hour off the bats to the warning track,

488
00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,840
Speaker 2: and like you see barrel control, you see balanced the

489
00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,240
Speaker 2: athletic looking in the box and see a guy who

490
00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:48,000
Speaker 2: it looks like a coup that the Mets had got him,

491
00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,040
Speaker 2: as well as ronand Hernandez, who appeared in this game

492
00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,840
Speaker 2: for three months of David Robinson with the five VRA

493
00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:54,919
Speaker 2: for a Marlins team that she had no business being

494
00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:56,960
Speaker 2: in the playoffs. But it was beautiful. And the other

495
00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:58,960
Speaker 2: hitter that you mentioned that meant that he did call hitherus,

496
00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:01,320
Speaker 2: Jeremy Rodriguez had one at bat. He had a nice

497
00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:03,159
Speaker 2: piece of hitting, put the ball for I think an

498
00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,760
Speaker 2: RBI actually over the shortstops head were just short stop,

499
00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:09,200
Speaker 2: second baseman, Yeah, short stup. But it's just like, oh wow,

500
00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:10,920
Speaker 2: this is a teenager playing in this game, and he

501
00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,920
Speaker 2: looks very equipped to handle himself. And it again, you

502
00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,000
Speaker 2: just there's there seemed to be a readiness among these

503
00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,240
Speaker 2: Mets prospects. These guys wanted to be in this game,

504
00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:20,560
Speaker 2: like and it's funny looking back at it, because I

505
00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,159
Speaker 2: think the ones who were the most disappointing, ironically were

506
00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:25,440
Speaker 2: Jet Williams, who just seemed like he was like ready

507
00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:28,040
Speaker 2: to go, like maybe a little too ready. Luisa on Hellicoon,

508
00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:29,760
Speaker 2: you who you guys kind of saw the downside of

509
00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:31,960
Speaker 2: him as a prospect where he just he takes some

510
00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:33,879
Speaker 2: hacks to hell a fly off of swinging a breaking

511
00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:35,520
Speaker 2: ball below his own It's just not he did his

512
00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:38,639
Speaker 2: pitch selections with struggles right now. And then Alexaimierz, who

513
00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:40,000
Speaker 2: he had a fine game like it was it wasn't

514
00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:41,240
Speaker 2: that bad, but like he didn't drop the ball and

515
00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,040
Speaker 2: he didn't drop a ball in the outfield like James would.

516
00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:46,240
Speaker 2: But yeah, it was just it was, it was just

517
00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:48,080
Speaker 2: it was so funny to see these guys play. Ryan's

518
00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:51,119
Speaker 2: Clifford had an amazing two out RBI hustle double in

519
00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:52,919
Speaker 2: the first inning where he just he served it over

520
00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:54,800
Speaker 2: the third baseman's head. It didn't even make it to

521
00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:56,440
Speaker 2: the wall. He slid in the second base for a double.

522
00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,920
Speaker 2: I didn't expect him to get there. For Nick Morbido,

523
00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,359
Speaker 2: who someone were excited about from an athletic standpoint, he

524
00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,920
Speaker 2: looks more like a football player and a baseball player.

525
00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,560
Speaker 2: He's stung. Yeah, definitely good running back or nice like

526
00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:10,280
Speaker 2: a college receiver in the MAC or something. Yeah, yeah,

527
00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,080
Speaker 2: like a good slot in the MAC. But Drew Gilbert

528
00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,240
Speaker 2: stung one just like kind of looks as we've said

529
00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:17,359
Speaker 2: the whole time, the most ready you have all these guys.

530
00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:19,680
Speaker 2: Kevin Parada puts them with on the ball and we

531
00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:21,200
Speaker 2: actually got to see him catch for the first time,

532
00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,199
Speaker 2: and again it isn't I'm a little worried about him

533
00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,200
Speaker 2: defensively back there, but at least as a hither he

534
00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,240
Speaker 2: looked comfortable and competent, which is a nice step. And

535
00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,080
Speaker 2: then even a kuna say he took some bad at bats,

536
00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:30,760
Speaker 2: we still put put one in the air one hundred

537
00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:32,960
Speaker 2: miles an hour. So there's so much to be excited

538
00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,520
Speaker 2: about with this this system right now. It's also nice

539
00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,000
Speaker 2: these guys seem like they like each other.

540
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Speaker 1: That's what I was gonna bring up.

541
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Speaker 2: I was like, we've seen like so many groups of

542
00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:43,080
Speaker 2: Mets prospects recently, like they all just like baby Ventas,

543
00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:45,720
Speaker 2: Viento's Alvarez Mauricio like those guys, and you have like

544
00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:49,200
Speaker 2: the Pete McNeil like that group, you have Nimo conforda

545
00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,280
Speaker 2: like when those guys came up, it's really cool to

546
00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:53,400
Speaker 2: see that they're like still keeping that in a way

547
00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,960
Speaker 2: because they were completely fucking with Drew Gilbert when he

548
00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,000
Speaker 2: was getting interviewed by Michelle Margo.

549
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Speaker 1: Who if you've watched us and why, you're aware of

550
00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,280
Speaker 1: who she is, but like Drew Gilbert was standing there

551
00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,440
Speaker 1: with the arms cross pushing up the muscles. They're throwing

552
00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:07,200
Speaker 1: seeds at him and he's getting all red in the face.

553
00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,199
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's the kind of stuff that like, that's

554
00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:10,920
Speaker 1: what I loved about play baseball. We just get to

555
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:12,600
Speaker 1: hang out with the guys like fuck around a little

556
00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:14,840
Speaker 1: bit and it's not so serious, and it's cool to

557
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:16,399
Speaker 1: see that, like a game that is important for a

558
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,560
Speaker 1: lot of these guys, that they were still able to

559
00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:20,160
Speaker 1: just kind of relax and still have fun.

560
00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:22,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was cool. And the one guy, last guy

561
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:23,720
Speaker 2: I wanted to make bring up just because I think

562
00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,040
Speaker 2: he's the type of prospect who will become a cult

563
00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,040
Speaker 2: hero for Mets fans. In the exact same ilk as

564
00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,239
Speaker 2: Jake Mangum was Rylan Thomas, who was a senior from

565
00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,159
Speaker 2: usc who actually hit the ball ninety nine miles an

566
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:34,960
Speaker 2: hour in this game, got a hit, came around, score

567
00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,480
Speaker 2: the run. He was in the Mets organizational goal Glove

568
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,199
Speaker 2: winner last year. And it was another guy who went

569
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:40,920
Speaker 2: to Binghamton at the end of the year and was

570
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 2: a very important piece for that defensively and just just

571
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:45,320
Speaker 2: as like a cog in the bottom of the road

572
00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,200
Speaker 2: there twice as many almost walked the strikeouts across the

573
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,040
Speaker 2: minor leagues last year. Freaky back control, freaky play, discipline.

574
00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,600
Speaker 2: He's like a fun guy who could be cool at

575
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:54,880
Speaker 2: organizational glue at some point for a Mets roster fourth

576
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:58,879
Speaker 2: fifth outfielder type. Yeah, overall, I mean success, major success.

577
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:00,159
Speaker 2: I think if you're a Mets fan, if you're a

578
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:01,720
Speaker 2: fan of baseball, you saw what the Mets were able

579
00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:03,680
Speaker 2: to do in this game with the players, and you go,

580
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,800
Speaker 2: oh shit, they got something cooking over there. Like I know,

581
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:08,960
Speaker 2: MLB pipeline doesn't love us necessarily in terms of like

582
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:13,440
Speaker 2: top farm systems Baseball American, I think prospectives do. It's

583
00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,159
Speaker 2: hard not to be excited about these young guys that

584
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 2: are there. Again, like you said, there's still prospects, there's

585
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,399
Speaker 2: still a lot of time. We've seen kind of similar

586
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,000
Speaker 2: stuff happen with some guys right now that we were

587
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,200
Speaker 2: really excited about, like Baby and Viento's for two guys

588
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,160
Speaker 2: that were really high on still high on Baby.

589
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:26,960
Speaker 1: Will never give up hope on him. But it's like

590
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 1: you can tell that sometimes no matter how good they

591
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 1: are in the minors, you have to be able to

592
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:32,320
Speaker 1: get it done at the major league level, but still

593
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 1: even having these guys and hearing comments that the Mets

594
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,760
Speaker 1: have made over the last few days that they would

595
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:38,680
Speaker 1: consider now moving some of these guys if they could

596
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 1: get young, controllable pitching in the future. These are all

597
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 1: things that you can help build a sustainable organization. And

598
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,399
Speaker 1: while it's like so boring and not sexy at all

599
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,440
Speaker 1: for the Mets, who haven't won shit in forever to

600
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 1: be talking about sustainability, that's what happens when the Willpond's

601
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,359
Speaker 1: hand you the keys to a fucking lemon and you're like.

602
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 2: What do I do with this?

603
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 1: How do I fix this?

604
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 2: And it is a bullshit cliche, But like anything in life,

605
00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,600
Speaker 2: any business relationship, anything you're trying to build, like it

606
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 2: always starts from the bottom. You gotta build a strong foundation.

607
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 2: Like that's what the Mets have spent a lot of

608
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 2: time and Steve Cohen under the railar I spent a

609
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 2: lot of money doing these last couple of years and

610
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,440
Speaker 2: seeing the fruits of this payoff because MLB had this

611
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 2: breakout game, Like it's just a cool moment for the

612
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,119
Speaker 2: whole organization, honestly, and I am happy as fans as

613
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,680
Speaker 2: people who talk about the team like that we got

614
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 2: to experience it and everybody seemed like one kind of

615
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,360
Speaker 2: from it and we actually finely get to win, which

616
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 2: was cool. They're like they would like to look pretty

617
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,440
Speaker 2: excited to actually win the baseball game, which is nice.

618
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 1: Totally. Yeah, No, it was cool. And again it was

619
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,440
Speaker 1: cool to hear Steve Cohen mentioned like Noel McLean. I'm

620
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,119
Speaker 1: sure this is cool for Noel McLean to be like

621
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 1: shuit the billionaire owner knows who I am, Like, this

622
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,680
Speaker 1: is pretty cool. Like he's talking about me to the

623
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 1: reporters when they're talking about the games. And he mentioned

624
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,400
Speaker 1: a bunch of other pictures as well, Sprote, Hamill, Scott

625
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 1: whatever it was gonna be. But we also got some

626
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 1: more information out of him, and he talked about the

627
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 1: vibes in spring training that they feel very loose, expects

628
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 1: the team to be competitive. It was, for lack of

629
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,399
Speaker 1: atter term, not a lot of information given. It was

630
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,440
Speaker 1: kind of a nothing burger, but at the same time,

631
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 1: like there are some interesting things, like he made comments

632
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 1: about Alonzo.

633
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was the classic Steve Cohen press uh press

634
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 2: briefing that we've gotten a few of these last few

635
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:08,719
Speaker 2: years where he's like, oh my god, I'm so relatable.

636
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 2: I'm such like a nice, funny guy, but he's also

637
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 2: like the richest man and one's ever going to see

638
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 2: with their eyes in the world. But he's like he

639
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 2: talks about the team kind of like we all talk

640
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 2: about the team, which is kind of a sun thing. Yeah,

641
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 2: it's like he's just like us for real. He's like,

642
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,159
Speaker 2: I'm excited about his defense. We were giving him four

643
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 2: outs last year. Now we're gonna see him diving plays

644
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 2: like I like that. And he was like, this bullpen

645
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Speaker 2: looks pretty deep, Like that's nice, Like the flake, I

646
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Speaker 2: like how much pitching we have this year, And like

647
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 2: Nolan MacLean he had thirty two hundred rpm spin rate

648
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 2: and a slider. I don't know what that means. I

649
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,120
Speaker 2: think you guys know what that means, but it sounds

650
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 2: for like a lot of spin to me. Like it's

651
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 2: just it's funny to hear how relatable Steve Cone is

652
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 2: when discussing Mets and just the fact that he's like, yeah,

653
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 2: something's last few years worked out, somethings last few years

654
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 2: did not work out, and now we have got a

655
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,959
Speaker 2: person in place in David Sterns, who I trust. They

656
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 2: were like, how do you feelbout adding to the team.

657
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 2: He was like, that's a David Stearns decision. Like if

658
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 2: he has something he thinks is an idea, like he'll

659
00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 2: bring it to me and then we can evaluate. But

660
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 2: like that's all on him. I think that's the big

661
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 2: change of tone for the last few years. And Steve

662
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 2: talked about that too. He was like, I was much

663
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 2: more hands out with the team that probably should have

664
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Speaker 2: been or wanted to be the last few years. Now

665
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 2: I have business people and baseball people in high positions

666
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,679
Speaker 2: of power that I trust, and I can let them

667
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Speaker 2: do their thing.

668
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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I can't blame them either. If I

669
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: owned a baseball team, I totally would want to get

670
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 1: my hands all over the day to day Like that.

671
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 1: That's why I play it will be the show and

672
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: make a franchise. You're like, this is so much fun.

673
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: I could do this better. We even attempted the other

674
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Speaker 1: day to video that might go into the bowels and

675
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Speaker 1: never be seen. But like the idea that and he

676
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 1: mentioned it two. He's like, I'm not great at the

677
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 1: day to day. I'm better at the big picture stuff.

678
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 1: That's what's made me all this money. Just even acknowledging

679
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 1: that I think is cool, especially from the Mets Mets

680
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 1: fan side of like we got the right people in place.

681
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 1: I trust them. They got the big picture thing down,

682
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 1: and we'll start building something here, which it's probably hard

683
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 1: for a Mets fan to hear right now after the

684
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: most one of the most disappointing seasons I've ever had,

685
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 1: after a quick exit in twenty twenty two. But again,

686
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,640
Speaker 1: it's what you kind of need, Like the Dodgers haven't

687
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: won a World Series since nineteen eighty eight, Like it's

688
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: it's hard. It's hard to win a World Series even

689
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 1: if you have the best stuff going, but at least

690
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 1: you give yourself the opportunity every year. He even said

691
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 1: that he was like, yeah, last years didn't work out,

692
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: Like he's like, based on what that was handed, I

693
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 1: knew the only way to bridge the talent gap was

694
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Speaker 1: just get free agent, spend a lot of money, and

695
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 1: we tried to do it, and we got They got

696
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: kind of relatively close once they kind of choked on

697
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 1: the matter at most, but in terms of what the

698
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: last three years could have been like having one year

699
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: of one hundred wins for as bad as this roster

700
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 1: and organization for in place by the time you bought it,

701
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 1: it's like it's not that bad. And the whole thing

702
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: that fucked up METS fans was he was like, three

703
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:30,360
Speaker 1: to five years, I'll be this point if we don't

704
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 1: win one.

705
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,120
Speaker 2: So everyone never said that. Everyone clung to that ship

706
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 2: and he made jokes about it than this. He was like, yeah,

707
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 2: you guys kind of took more. Took that more than

708
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 2: I did. But like, you have to set big goals,

709
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 2: and he's right, like fuck it. Like if if I

710
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 2: had twenty million, twenty billion dollars in boy basically might

711
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 2: be yeah, I want to win a World Sies next

712
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 2: three to five years. People were like, holy shit, they

713
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Speaker 2: want wor World serious nex three to five years, like

714
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 2: you're the king. But it set big goals and achieved them.

715
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, and I can focus on my hedge fund,

716
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 2: which is cool. But he also said, like, with this

717
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 2: pharm system that we have, plus the resources that we have,

718
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 2: that's how this becomes exciting. And he was like, yeah,

719
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 2: it prospers one after another. It seems like we really

720
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 2: got a lot of good stuff going there. I like

721
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 2: our player development. Me fucking too, Steve, me too.

722
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you there, and again briefly mentioned Alonzo

723
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 1: talked about and made a joke about it, like, oh,

724
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: finally you guys asked me about Pete Alonso. Can't believe

725
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: it took you this long, and basically that they have

726
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,640
Speaker 1: no talks on a long term deal. They're not worried

727
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 1: about him going to free agency. They had Neimo, they

728
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: had Edwin who were in very similar situations, went to

729
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: free agency and they got him back. So it seems

730
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 1: like from his perspective, at least, he's very confident that

731
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 1: the Mets are at least gonna have a pretty good

732
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 1: shot at bringing Pete back and that it's not as

733
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 1: big of a priority as it's made out to be

734
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: to sign him right now.

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Speaker 2: I also don't think it ever was. There's another thing

736
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 2: that the media kind of just did for no reason

737
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 2: where it's like, how Scott Boris guy's literally never sounding sensions.

738
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Speaker 2: We told you guys about this few episodes ago when

739
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,479
Speaker 2: we did there just Pee Alonso contract discussion and quit

740
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 2: the player preview stuff that we were trying to do.

741
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 2: It was just like he's had three guys sounding sensions ever,

742
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 2: and two of them were hosing out two things. It

743
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 2: just doesn't happen for his clients as part of his game.

744
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 2: Sometimes you're gonna have guys sitting on seven free agent

745
00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 2: sitting out in free agency on Saint Patrick's day. That

746
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 2: just gonna happen. That's the game he plays sometimes. But

747
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,479
Speaker 2: that's Scott Boris. Steve also said he likes talking to him,

748
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 2: thinks he has a good relationship with which is hilarious.

749
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Speaker 1: I mean, it would make sense for Scott Boris to

750
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,239
Speaker 1: like this guy and tell him whatever he wants. As well,

751
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: he's got the most money in baseball. I'd like to

752
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: talk to Scott Boris.

753
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 2: Scott Boris seems like one of the most interesting, like smart,

754
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 2: fascinating people in baseball.

755
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: Open invitation to Scott Boris if you ever want to

756
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: come come on the Mets Pod Mets the Podcast. We Gotcha, Well,

757
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 1: will happily allow you. We'll pay for your flag out

758
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: to New York. You can come hang out. We'll do

759
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: any for your hotel, unless it's like the Rise Carlton,

760
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 1: which I don't think we can afford. Yeah, you're sitting

761
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 1: the economy, but.

762
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll pay for Scott Boris his coach flight to

763
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 2: New York. He definitely put him up in the holiday

764
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 2: in and like Penn Station, I'll throw him in like

765
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 2: the in like these horrible hotels down Ridgewood. They really

766
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 2: see some culture.

767
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm twenty first to have in a story and

768
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: put him real close. It's just get going around there.

769
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think that's pretty much it. In terms

770
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: of like actual baseball stuff. We do have some mail

771
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: bag that we want to go over because you guys

772
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: asked us some questions and of course we love to

773
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: support you guys continue to show us. So this is

774
00:28:58,200 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: our way to kind of just say thank you back

775
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 1: and let you guys get involved. First one coming in

776
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: from Jenny Metz. You guys know well over on Twitter.

777
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: This one specifically for me, but you're also gonna answer it.

778
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 1: I don't know why I was singled out with this. Yeah,

779
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: for at Draft Mack Park, and which prospects will come

780
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: up first pitching wise, I'm thinking Vassal or Hamill any sleepers,

781
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be Vassal. I think VA's gonna

782
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: be the guy that we see first. Right now. I

783
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: think the fact that he did not pitch in the

784
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: Spring Breakout game kind of just tells you he's a

785
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: little bit ahead of Dominic Hammel in terms of guys

786
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: that they think are probably MLB ready. But at the

787
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: same time, they're both gonna be in Triple A competing

788
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: with each other essentially to find out who that next

789
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: guy is. So it's gonna come down to who pitches

790
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: the best, and there's no reason it can't be Dominant Cambell.

791
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:37,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think also same for Christian Scott as

792
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 2: the resident Christian Scott guy of this podcast. It's good

793
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 2: the three headed race right there. Whoever has the best

794
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 2: first month, they'll get the first shot when we can,

795
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 2: like I don't know, make We'll see what happens with

796
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 2: Tyler mcguil. Jose Boodo has been awesome. They met say

797
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 2: they like Max Kranick as a death piece, so it

798
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 2: all kind of depends on that. But in terms of

799
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 2: all of them, who's pitching first, Vassal is probably the

800
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 2: safe choice, But I think Scott is still gonna be

801
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 2: my choice because I feel like he could just he

802
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:00,239
Speaker 2: could just fuck people up.

803
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: That's your boy. You love Christian Scott.

804
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 2: I love Christian Scott's find someone who finds someone who

805
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 2: looks at James like or who looks at Christian Scott

806
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 2: like James does like looks at you like Christian Scott like. Almost.

807
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 2: You almost got it, though I'm not going with that stuff.

808
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 2: We know that next question I wanted to do from

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00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 2: someone who actually DM bes we're just talking about prospects,

810
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 2: talking about minor league stuff. Want to get out of

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00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 2: the way from Ari Obi Obi Wan Canari because DM

812
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 2: me this question. So you guys again, if you ever

813
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 2: want to just DM talk about stuff like I'm ready

814
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 2: to go back in twenty twenty two, Alvarez and Bathe

815
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 2: with top two prospects in our farm system and high

816
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 2: up in many top hundred lists. Fast forward today, ready

817
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 2: to throw the bag of Alvarez, and we're worried about Baby.

818
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 2: Two questions, did we mess up Baby's development while simultaneously

819
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 2: helping Alvarezes And can we use these lessons from each

820
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 2: to effectively handle trajectory of our current crop of top

821
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 2: prospects Jet Drew Gilberticunya or is the whole thing just

822
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 2: a crapshoot? Thanks?

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Speaker 1: Now, I'll say this, I don't know like it's very,

824
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: very hard to know what the day to day is

825
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: of what's going on the miners while Brett Baedy and

826
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: those guys were in the system, but they all had success,

827
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: like you said, And I don't think that this is

828
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: necessarily a detriment to the Mets or Brett Batty. I

829
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: think it's a little bit more that Francisco Alvarez is

830
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: fucking him like he's just that dude. He was never

831
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: going to allow himself to not be a good player.

832
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: He's not.

833
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that Brett Batty is content, but

834
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 2: he's got the Yeah, he's got the best tattooed on

835
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 2: his neck.

836
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: And we've heard it from major leaguers again, I'll say

837
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: it a million times. Max Scherzer and Justin Verlander or

838
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame pitchers who very very set in their ways.

839
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: They want their guys. Martin Maldonado's was a Houston astra

840
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: forever for no reason because Justin verd Verlander loved pitching

841
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: to him. Max Scherzer had what was a Kurtzuzuki hanging

842
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: around with the Nationals forever. Like these guys have very

843
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: similar things that they like, and they saw Francisco auverers

844
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: like that's our catcher, Like, sorry, Tomas, and you know

845
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: you're dead. Francisco Alvarez, we want you. And he's just

846
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: built differently now on the side of Batty or Vientos

847
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,719
Speaker 1: or Maurici or whatever the other guys that you're comparing

848
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: them to. It's hard. Being a major leaguer is difficult.

849
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: You can dominate them and you still might not be

850
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,479
Speaker 1: ready yet. And then it starts to get in your

851
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: head and you start to hear the New York media

852
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: and you hear the asshole fans who like to boo

853
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: you like there's a lot of things I think off

854
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: the field that make it hard as well as on

855
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: the field. It's just really hard to be a good

856
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: major League baseball player. That being said, I haven't given

857
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: a hope on any of these guys, but I think

858
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: the difference is just that Francisco Alvarez has that X

859
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: factor and that's not a detriment to the guys who don't.

860
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, Alvarez is just closer to being a superstar than

861
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 2: a regular human being. Well, the other guys artists, regular

862
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 2: human beings trying to make it again. We're not gonna

863
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 2: quit on Brett Bailey two years ago, he was the

864
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 2: best player in the whole Eastern League in the highest

865
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 2: WRSC plus, like he dominated every single level he was

866
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 2: at when he got there after a little while, so

867
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 2: that's still in play, but it's just again also a

868
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 2: thing with Baty I think happened where Alvarez the defense

869
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 2: was better than people expected, so he started getting positive reviews,

870
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 2: and Baby it was worse than people expect, sorry, negative reviews.

871
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 2: And a lot of that came back to the Mets

872
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 2: coaching staff that was in place the last few years

873
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 2: that wasn't really putting Brett Bailey in the exact proper

874
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 2: positions to not even just succeed, but just even to

875
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 2: be average. So you start to make a bad play

876
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 2: in the field, and you come to the plate and

877
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 2: you take your defense to the plate with you, you

878
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 2: have a bad at bat, you take it back in

879
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 2: the field with you, and things just kind of start

880
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 2: a snowball. And that's how it's felt with Baby so

881
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 2: far in his career. So I don't think it's something

882
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 2: necessarily about what the Mets have done developmentally, that's your question. Ari.

883
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 2: That has kind of made those two jettison away from

884
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 2: each other. It's just that Alvarez is something that's so special,

885
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 2: and Baby's just been more or less serious unfortunate events.

886
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 2: And sadly, sometimes a serious unfortunate events is a baseball

887
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 2: prospect can derail your entire career, like we've seen that

888
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 2: happen to a guy like Jared Kellnick for starters who

889
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 2: struggled at first, was supposed to be the savior. Bad,

890
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 2: sent back down, came up bad again, bad, sent back down,

891
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 2: came up good, then bad. Then punches a wall in

892
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 2: the locker room, and then he's out, and then now

893
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 2: he's having another bassting training and the Brays bring him

894
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 2: to all to compete with him. It just goind to happen.

895
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 2: Sometimes that's just prospects, that's just baseball, Susan. And again,

896
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 2: I don't think it's not like there's a lesson to

897
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 2: learn from there, But probably the lesson is just that

898
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 2: you have to put these young guys in position to

899
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 2: succeed right away, and you can never put too much

900
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 2: on somebody's plate unless they demand. This is something that

901
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 2: I like to pull examples from different sports a lot,

902
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 2: because like player development, young players coming with the league

903
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 2: is always some similarities about mentally and stuff, and Bill

904
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 2: Walsh always said that he would give his rookies five

905
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 2: percent of the playbook. The famous forty nine Ers head

906
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 2: coach like, if he had a defensive end who was

907
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 2: a really good pass rusher, he'd be on the field

908
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 2: for ten snaps a game. Say pin your ears back,

909
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 2: rush the passer, build your confidence, and do what you

910
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 2: do best. When you're ready for more, I'll give you more.

911
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,280
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick's also did that really well with the Patriots

912
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 2: for less generation, where it's just I will give you

913
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 2: exactly what I think you could do well, and then

914
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 2: when you've proven that you can get more, I will

915
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 2: now give you more. It's harder doing baseball because there's

916
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 2: a lot more things you have to do to be

917
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 2: on the field regularly. But a guy like Baby's just

918
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 2: like hit against Ridy's and play good defense, hit against Ryer',

919
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 2: play good defense, have some good at bats. We don't

920
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 2: really care about the results. Just look comfortable out there,

921
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 2: throw the ball the first base, and then we're going

922
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 2: to keep growing off that. I think that's probably what

923
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 2: is going to happen this year and what I hope

924
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 2: keeps happening totally.

925
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: And one of the only coaches that also came back

926
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 1: from that staff last season, Glenn Sherlock, What did he do?

927
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 1: Francisco Alvarez catching Joey Cora and Wayne Kirby. What were

928
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:00,720
Speaker 1: they doing in field? Outfield?

929
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 2: Not here? So I think that that also speaks a

930
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 2: little bit if you want to talk about the development

931
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 2: at the major league level, what was going on in

932
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 2: the last few years. Got another question here from Richard Hernandez.

933
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 2: This guy's always hitting U up on Twitter. Appreciate you, Richard.

934
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,439
Speaker 2: He was like, we know nimo Inndoor Pete are the one, two, three,

935
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 2: fourth through nine. Doesn't really matter as much to me,

936
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 2: but what is the best lineup the Mets can throw

937
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 2: out there.

938
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: After those first three guys? So I'll I'll give it

939
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: to you first, James, what are you thinking?

940
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 2: I want to see something funny too, shout out another

941
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 2: listener who I've been dming with, Will Lupica. He is

942
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 2: much smarter than me, especially in terms of math. I

943
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 2: did like a very simple reduction in the last episode

944
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 2: about Pee Alonzo getting up as few times as possible

945
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 2: with men on base by ensuring he leads off his

946
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 2: few winnings as possible, which happened way more often than

947
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,760
Speaker 2: shold have last year. But he did a holstistical analysis

948
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 2: regression about like where pe Alonzo can be up the

949
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 2: most often players on base ahead of him, and fourth

950
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 2: came out like slightly beat than third with players being

951
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 2: on base more. I thought that was really funny. So like,

952
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 2: we're always down to hear new perspectives of your new stuff.

953
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 2: Dms are always open, always down for stuff. But I

954
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 2: think even with that, still would do the Neimo Lindor

955
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 2: Lonzo one two three, And then it's gonna sound crazy

956
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 2: and it's probably asked backwards to baseball people out there.

957
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 2: But Jeff McNeil is my foe.

958
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: Hill, damn it. I thought I was gonna be the

959
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 1: only one doing that. I just love that.

960
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 2: I think he's that he is the next highest on

961
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 2: base percentage in the lineup if he's if the fourth

962
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 2: spot winds up leading off the second most dings over

963
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 2: the year, I'm comfortable with him being a lead off hither.

964
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 2: It's an even year, So I think he's gonna come

965
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:20,919
Speaker 2: back and be great. He's gonna be back in spring

966
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 2: training games this week on Sunday, which is a cool thing.

967
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 2: But he just kind of feels like because the Mets

968
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 2: have such a chasm from the top three guys to

969
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 2: the rest of the order, and maybe Alvarez does elevate

970
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 2: himself and become that like real prototypical cleanup hitter. But

971
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 2: I think right now we profiles better as a five,

972
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 2: So then that would go McNeil, Alvarez, Marte, and then

973
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 2: after that seven through nine kind of just becomes whoever

974
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 2: has the hot hands, Baby Viento's. I don't know DJ Stewart,

975
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 2: whoever's getting into games, but my four, five, six, I think,

976
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,280
Speaker 2: weirdly enough would be McNeil, Alvarez, Marte.

977
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think that. I think. I hate

978
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: to be that. We're just the same. We just talk

979
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 1: too much.

980
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,760
Speaker 2: We agree on too many things here, We're too smart,

981
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 2: That's what it is. We're just about everything baseball related.

982
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think that's the lineup. Harrison Bader's definitely

983
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 2: the nine hitter, Yes, yeah, but yeah, I think he'll

984
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 2: be fun. How I wand up doing it?

985
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: Okay, this one comes from Brandon Ditcheck and he says,

986
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: do you think Brandon Nemo can be an All Star

987
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: this year? I? Yes, yes, Brandon should have been All

988
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: Star the last couple of seasons. But the problem is

989
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: that it's a lot of fan voting. And if you've

990
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 1: ever been in the comment section one of my videos

991
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: where I'm gassing up Brandon Nemo as I should because

992
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 1: he's a fantastic baseball player, they tell me I'm an idiot,

993
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: I'm biased. He's not actually that good. But if you

994
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: have any sort of brain, or if you're not from Atlanta,

995
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: let's say a place of low educated, stupid people, then

996
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: you'd be like, oh my god, Brandon Nemo is incredible. Like,

997
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: he has better numbers than almost every center fielder in baseball.

998
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: Now he's in the left field a little bit different,

999
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 1: but he's I don't know what, like the second or

1000
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: third best like left fielder in baseball. Probably, so yeah,

1001
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 1: he totally has an ability to be an All Star.

1002
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 2: Nemo just gets screwed because he's so not flashy, like

1003
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 2: he just he just he praised to God. He runs

1004
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 2: his the first base and trial to God. That's it.

1005
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 2: He's a trial to God baby. Like he's just there's

1006
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 2: no flash, he's just he puts on his hard hat

1007
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 2: and he goes to work. And I think that kind

1008
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 2: of hurts you in something like all Star Voe thing,

1009
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 2: especially where you also are on a team with the Mets,

1010
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 2: where like last year, the team needs one to all start.

1011
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,240
Speaker 2: It's probably almost always going to be Peelonzo Francisco Anddor

1012
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 2: because they're both kind of in that superstar echelon much

1013
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 2: more than Nemo. But in terms of production, like Nemo

1014
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 2: can really can really put up with the best of them,

1015
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 2: even on this team in the whole league, and I

1016
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 2: would I would like for him to get start getting's

1017
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 2: moll star nos in to his stories, he gets the

1018
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 2: recognition he deserves as a really good baseball player.

1019
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 1: Definitely. This one comes in from bones zero nine to

1020
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: one to two, and the bones are their money and

1021
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: so are the worms. Don't forget it. Do you think

1022
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: Jose Gleasias will start the year in the MLB the

1023
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: way he has been swinging the bat so far in spring?

1024
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: This is the million dollar question right now, I think

1025
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 1: with this team, because just hit a walk off home

1026
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: run today. Shoutout Jose Glacias. He's got a fire song

1027
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: that he just made and he wants to walk up

1028
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:52,760
Speaker 1: to it. Apparently if he makes it to the majors

1029
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: in the game, which I don't know if there's ever

1030
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: been a player that's come up to their own song.

1031
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 1: Jose ray Is actually, I think came up to his

1032
00:38:58,400 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: own one. I think he came up to Seguell rebuy

1033
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: fun fact taking off Spotify. I think Fat Joe and

1034
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: French Montana said you can't fucking just steal our song

1035
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 1: like that and make it Spanish, no way. What do

1036
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: you think in James He's he has been swinging the

1037
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: bat well, it's kind of bizarre, but right now we

1038
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: mentioned it a little bit last week, Jose Glacier has

1039
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: been hitting the ball as hard it's not hard that

1040
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: basically every player in the bets this spring. He's the

1041
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 1: fifth most hard hit balls on the team, only behind

1042
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 1: Lindor Alonzo Fientos and now tied with Starling Marte. So

1043
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: shoout Marte for actually starting to hit that ball between

1044
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: ninety five one hundred miles hour on the ground. But

1045
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 1: also one had Zach Short and even today's we've been

1046
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: nauseavid just talking about the spring training results. That's why

1047
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: we had to an episode like this to change up

1048
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: the vibes a little bit.

1049
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 2: But Iglacias, Short and Wenzel are all competing for that

1050
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 2: one backup utility infielder spot that was vacated by Ronnie Mauricio.

1051
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 2: And it's kind of anyone's guessing. Glaciers probably is having

1052
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 2: the best time right now out of all those guys.

1053
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 2: I think he probably is the best infielder defensively, And

1054
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 2: if he's not a team opening day, it's a good

1055
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 2: chance to see him at some point this season.

1056
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: You know what.

1057
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 2: That's kind of a spring training for prove it. Do

1058
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 2: what you gotta do. And I would love to talk

1059
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,320
Speaker 2: to some of these coaches and people on these teams,

1060
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 2: were like, how much do you guys care about free

1061
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 2: training results? Like if you see a guy have two

1062
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 2: good weeks, like you actually give that credit? Or do

1063
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 2: you just have your own projections and your own ideas

1064
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 2: already and just kind of roll with it.

1065
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: Tell you what, if we could ever get some access

1066
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 1: to the Mets again, that would be a good question

1067
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: to ask some people. That would be a really good

1068
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 1: question actually to use an interview like does you care

1069
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: about spring training at all? Does it matter? What are

1070
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Speaker 1: you looking for?

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Speaker 2: I'm sure people actually care about the answer to that question.

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Speaker 2: What do you guys think about spring training? Do you

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Speaker 2: care about these results? What are you looking for? Are

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Speaker 2: you not looking for results? Like looking for a process.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know.

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Speaker 2: What'd be a nice question to ask somebody if we

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Speaker 2: ever had the opportunity again.

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Speaker 1: Definitely, if we ever get accepted back as a media

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Speaker 1: pass there all right, last question here comes from I

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Speaker 1: don't know sand Reckoner. I don't know. That's a crazy name.

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Speaker 2: Oh, he's always in the mentions though he's a legend,

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Speaker 2: respect them though, he says, is this bridge?

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Speaker 1: Is this bridge here to evaluate the young guys as

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Speaker 1: foolish as I think it is by all accounts. We

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Speaker 1: want to sign a bunch of stars and free agency

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Speaker 1: next year. We have the money, but we also need

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Speaker 1: the prestiges of winning franchise, taking a big risk with

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Speaker 1: question marks at four and a half spots in our lineup.

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Speaker 1: Here's what I'll tell you. The Texas Rangers literally had

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Speaker 1: never won anything when they signed Corey seeger Marcus Simon.

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Speaker 1: They brought in all these good players, Jacob de Gram

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Speaker 1: a former guy on our team. So I think prestige

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Speaker 1: in terms of a franchise is a little bit bullshit.

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Speaker 1: As long as you're not the Rockies. I think people

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Speaker 1: are like I'll give you a shot, or maybe even

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Speaker 1: the Angels. They continue to convince stupid people to sign.

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Speaker 1: There the money. We've got the money, show the people

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Speaker 1: the money next year. And truthfully speaking, there probably wasn't

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Speaker 1: anything that Mets could have done this offseason. Realistically, that

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Speaker 1: makes them one of the five favorites to win the

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Speaker 1: World Series. So as again as fucking lame as this

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Speaker 1: answer is, this is the smart approach to take, and

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Speaker 1: I think that's why David Stearns was brought in to

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Speaker 1: do this, to evaluate what the team is. We have

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Speaker 1: to find out what Brett Baty and Markviienzos are going

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Speaker 1: to be like at some point. We have to because

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Speaker 1: if they don't make it this year, we now know

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Speaker 1: third base is a position we have to address the

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Speaker 1: upcoming season. There's just spots in this lineup where figure

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Speaker 1: it out. We worry about it next year with that

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Speaker 1: loaded free agent class.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that the only part to think

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Speaker 2: I'll push back on is that we have heard, especially

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Speaker 2: from Trevor May and just like talking to people around

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Speaker 2: the league, that some players just won't sign contracts in

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Speaker 2: New York. It's just a difficult place to live to

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Speaker 2: play to be to exist. It's just that is hard sometimes.

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Speaker 2: So the other thing is like these guys signing contracts

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Speaker 2: in Texas, like you hate that comes in, but they

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Speaker 2: don't get taxed on the games they play in Texas,

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Speaker 2: which is definitely part of it. Like your contract in

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Speaker 2: Texas is gonna be worth more than the same contract

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Speaker 2: is signing in New York. So then we're gonna have

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Speaker 2: to close that gap, which is more money on top

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Speaker 2: of it. But I don't know, but I do think

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Speaker 2: you're right that, like the prestige doesn't matter. And again,

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Speaker 2: I think we actually have relative prestige in terms of

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Speaker 2: other franchises in the league, Like we have Francisco Indoor.

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Speaker 2: People love Francisco Indor. He's so well respected around baseball, voted.

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Speaker 1: The player in Major League Baseball by other players in

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Speaker 1: his fans survey, and the second friendliest. Yes, and that checks.

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Speaker 1: The guy's got style. I asked to fix me. Granted,

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Speaker 1: I don't think I can pull off what he said.

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Speaker 1: I can't wear oversized clothing. I'll look like a mountainnourished child.

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Speaker 1: But at the same time, he's got drip. I've been

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Speaker 1: rocking baggy stuff for the last few months now. I

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Speaker 1: feel what Francisco was saying. I love wearing the baggy stuff,

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Speaker 1: but I don't think we don't have prestige. Like people

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Speaker 1: around the league, they like and respect Steve Cohen, they

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Speaker 1: like and respect the Mets people. For the most part,

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Speaker 1: I know them how passionate and how crazy rabbit Mets

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Speaker 1: fans are, and they definitely want to win for them,

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Speaker 1: especially if they have some dog in them. I think

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00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: it's a real thing that people still kind of do

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00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: want to play for the Mets, except for the few

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Speaker 1: guys that will just never go to a big city

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Speaker 1: like New York, and that guys wind up in Texas.

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Speaker 1: You're not cut out for here. And truthfully, this is

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Speaker 1: gonna sound like lame, but like I don't want you

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Speaker 1: to play here then, because it's gonna be really difficult.

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Speaker 1: This is not an easy place to play, regardless of

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00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: whether or not you can cut it, or or you

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00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: are good or you can handle it mentally, it's very,

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Speaker 1: very difficult. And even like Trey Turner obviously on the Phillies,

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Speaker 1: but there's a clip of him talking about like his

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Speaker 1: favorite place to play, I love playing in City Field.

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Speaker 1: He's like those fans bring the energy. They're so passionate.

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Speaker 1: Even if you're not on the team, there is a respect.

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Speaker 1: I think that yes we have the lull Mets bullshit

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Speaker 1: or whatever, people are concerned about that.

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Speaker 2: Who cares.

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Speaker 1: But I think a lot of people are like, this

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00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 1: is not a joke of a team, and it does

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Speaker 1: help when your owner will pay forty year olds forty

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Speaker 1: million dollars a year or two.

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Speaker 2: I think this year will go a long way to

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Speaker 2: it too. Just we say every episode, but like, this

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Speaker 2: is gonna be a grind to that baseball team. We're

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Speaker 2: gonna play defense, like we're gonna pitch well, like we're

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Speaker 2: gonna be in games. We're gonna have to win some

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Speaker 2: close games. We want to actually be in the playoff picture,

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Speaker 2: which by every projection system right now, we have between

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Speaker 2: twenty and like a thirty five percent chance to make it.

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Speaker 2: I think that's a pretty fair estimation of this team.

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Speaker 2: A bout a five hundred team, five up, five down.

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Speaker 2: Things go right, things go wrong, and I think a

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Speaker 2: lot of teams are probably gonna gain a lot of

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Speaker 2: respectful a lot of players in his roster this year

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Speaker 2: because we're gonna grind you the fuck down, like We're

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Speaker 2: not gonna let you leave City Field with easy wins.

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Speaker 2: It's never gonna happen. It just isn't Like if you

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Speaker 2: put the ball in play, like we're gonna catch it.

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Speaker 2: Like if you get to our ballpen late innings, you're

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00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 2: gonna see some weird wild looks. Like if you have

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Speaker 2: some at bats against the bomb for order, like we're

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00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 2: gonna make you throw a bunch of pitches. Like that's

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Speaker 2: gonna be the vibe of this team this year. And

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Speaker 2: that's the thing I'm probably most excited about totally.

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Speaker 1: I know we wanted to maybe talk about the MB season,

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Speaker 1: but we're coming up on like forty eight to fifty

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Speaker 1: minutes here, so I think we're gonna save that for

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Speaker 1: maybe another episode.

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Speaker 2: We don't.

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Speaker 1: We don't need to add that one here at the end.

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Speaker 1: Do you have anything else real quick to talk about

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00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: with the Metsore is the time to wrap it up.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just mess is happy we're gonna have

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Speaker 2: baseball this week for everyone out there, the Dodgers, Padres,

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Speaker 2: and Soul Korea. It's gonna be six am. I I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's gonna be tough to wake up for the I

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Speaker 2: think Mark is gonna be streaming them live, which is

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Speaker 2: kind of wild. I don't I haven't decided him to

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Speaker 2: do that yet, but I'm just gonna wake up and

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00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 2: go on stack cast or may maybe one day we'll

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Speaker 2: stay up.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I haven't planned yet.

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Speaker 1: Can't do this, can't do the stay up. I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you as someone who's tried it. That ruins. That ruins

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Speaker 1: your week. You're gonna be all followed up. You gotta

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00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: sleep and just wake up early and then you maybe

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Speaker 1: take a nap during the day. That's the way to

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Speaker 1: handle it.

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Speaker 2: It's true. And also like baseball in bed like that,

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00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:22,439
Speaker 2: that'd be great, just like set the alarm for six

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00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 2: and just like pull up the computer and just watch

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00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 2: one eye open, Like what's most worts than that? But

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Speaker 2: like we made it, guys, like we got through another winter.

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00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 2: Baseball's here. It's been sunny, Like we did it again.

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Speaker 2: Now we can watch. Now we can watch and take

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Speaker 2: in baseball stats every single day for the next six months,

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Speaker 2: like we did it. Congratulations everybody listening.

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Speaker 1: And we we noticed you guys are tired of spring

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Speaker 1: training too, like we said, So that's why we have

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Speaker 1: to do a little bit of a different episode. We're

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Speaker 1: so tired of it too. We can't talk about Tyler

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00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 1: McGill spring training anymore. I just can't do it. I

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00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: need to see him pitch a game that matters. But guys,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for listening, Thank you for watching.

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Speaker 1: for listening and watching, and we'll catch you on the

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Speaker 1: next episode of the mets Up Podcast. Peace Out, peace out.

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Speaker 2: See you guys next time.