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Speaker 1: And that's what you really missed with Jenna and Kevin

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Speaker 1: an iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to and that's what you're the most podcast. We

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Speaker 2: have a icon today.

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Speaker 3: An icon, a legend, an original gleek like I cannot

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Speaker 3: even and stayed till the bitter end.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it really was bitter our gleek of the

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Speaker 2: week this week, Dylan, I cannot believe it. I'm so excited.

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Speaker 1: Chris is BFF and she needs really no introduction, Like,

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Speaker 1: if you don't know, get out of here. If you don't,

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Speaker 1: this is a great way to get to know. That's true.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm not going to shame you, Okay, Dylan, Molvanie everybody.

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Speaker 4: I'm in a bed and I thought, you know what,

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Speaker 4: They're not going to judge me for that.

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Speaker 1: No, you know what, I want to get in bed, so.

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Speaker 3: I do like tiny room at iHeart because my WiFi

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Speaker 3: is not working today. So I'm literally in a hair

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Speaker 3: and makeup like set right up against the light.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're lighting is good.

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Speaker 4: Kevin, thank you called them and they were like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: I guess you can come here.

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Speaker 1: Yea in this closet.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, trauma, Yeah, put you back in the closet,

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Speaker 4: and I have another apology for you. I'm sorry I

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Speaker 4: had to cancel that first time that we were going

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Speaker 4: to record. I will tell you that too. It was

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Speaker 4: the first press tour I've ever done for anything, and

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Speaker 4: I didn't know what that meant, to the extent of

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Speaker 4: I don't think I would make it to the next

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Speaker 4: two weeks. But I did hear through our dear friend

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Speaker 1: No, no, don't even worry about it. We get that

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Speaker 1: you're preaching to the choir. We get it.

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Speaker 2: We fully It is good for you for just saying,

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Speaker 2: you know what, I can't advocating for yourself because so.

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Speaker 3: Hard it is, especially when it's like you did something

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Speaker 3: really big, like you released a book. That is so

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Speaker 3: hard and then you're like, well, I need to be

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Speaker 3: the Elton John after party Oscar thing.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and we've seen each other a few times.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what did I say? What did I immediately do?

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Speaker 3: Immediately started apologizing and I was like, girl, don't you

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Speaker 1: What was going on?

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Speaker 3: I was like, no, the positive is exactly what Jenna

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Speaker 3: just said. Okay, you shook a moment and you're like,

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Speaker 1: Everycate right now.

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Speaker 4: I don't remember the profuse apology there, because then maybe

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Speaker 3: This is great because we spend half of this podcast

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Speaker 4: Oh, I mean that was it was giving three podcasts,

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Speaker 4: I think what's weird is making something and then like

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Speaker 2: I think I think like the project itself, like you know,

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Speaker 4: I spent my entire life doing musical theater, and then

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Speaker 4: Like like why am I'm not that girl? But I

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Speaker 3: One of my favorite like tidbits about you, Dylan, is

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Speaker 1: Yes, thank you. It's all I care about.

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Speaker 4: very specific was my experience auditioning for musical theater colleges,

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Speaker 3: How did this happen? Because I love seeing your friendship.

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Speaker 1: I get it. I get it.

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Speaker 3: That's what a good moment to check yourself, like be present,

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Speaker 4: I've had so many moments in these past three years

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Speaker 1: Like you fly in a private day.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, this is what I'm supposed to be doing. Sure,

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00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 4: And I think that a lot of people think of

440
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,640
Speaker 4: me as this like activist when I'm like, honey, I

441
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 4: like that. I'm a theater but yeah, I really think

442
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 4: that advocating for trans people in theater and in you know, musical,

443
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 4: TV and film, like, that's something that I really want

444
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 4: to advocate for a while I'm here, because we haven't

445
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 4: gotten to see enough of it, right, Are.

446
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 1: There any shows or roles that you are dying to do? Yeah,

447
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 1: let's talk about this for a second. Let's talk about like, yeah,

448
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:37,199
Speaker 1: a five year plan, vision board twenty actually get this.

449
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 4: I have not made my twenty twenty five vision board, okay,

450
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 4: because I going into it, I was a little like,

451
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 4: what is this, you know, legislatively as a trans person,

452
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:51,719
Speaker 4: I was like, what does this?

453
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:52,880
Speaker 1: What's this year going to give?

454
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 4: And I was like I almost just want the goal

455
00:24:55,880 --> 00:25:00,439
Speaker 4: to be like stay alive and feel safe and and

456
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 4: maybe let's not try to project too much more onto that.

457
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 4: What I will say is that like so many dream

458
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 4: scenarios have happened, so that like I almost feel like

459
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 4: I'm gonna end up doing a vision board at the

460
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 4: end of the year of all the.

461
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 1: Good things that did great, but I love that, but

462
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: or maybe we're gonna get it.

463
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 4: I kept telling myself, like in January, then February of

464
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 4: the March, I was like, you know what, next week,

465
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 4: we're gonna we're gonna make that vision board.

466
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 2: Now too late, Like I don't mind, like a year

467
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 2: of calm, you know, that was my word for the year.

468
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 2: I do a word for the year versus a vision board,

469
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 2: and like my year my word was calm. Now, I

470
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 2: don't know that we've necessarily gotten that starting out in

471
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 2: January and la like, wasn't it commers Yep.

472
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly.

473
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 2: But I am feeling this thing for you of your

474
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,919
Speaker 2: vision board that is like it's okay to have a

475
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 2: calm year and then you know, regroup at the end

476
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:55,640
Speaker 2: of the year and then do one.

477
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 1: Maybe next year instead.

478
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 4: It's okay, but it has not been a calm year

479
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,400
Speaker 4: yet for any of us.

480
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 1: No.

481
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 4: I did have one big vision board thing that I'm

482
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 4: gonna put on is do you ever take baths?

483
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,360
Speaker 1: Do you ever do lush bath bombs?

484
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 4: I got. I got my own Lush bath bomb and

485
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 4: that was like that dream Colloud, like if I'm honey,

486
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 4: if I'm going to be in Capitalism, I wanted to

487
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 4: be at Lush So that.

488
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: That was really hate.

489
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 4: But I think Clay back to doing theater. I oh,

490
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 4: I would love to play like Glinda one day, dying

491
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 4: to do a trans legally blonde like a cast of

492
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 4: like Twink Delta News. I think would be so fun.

493
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: Okay, hello, hello, sweet Charity.

494
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 4: I think could be really fun too.

495
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 2: One.

496
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 1: That's a great one. Really.

497
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 4: How was Jenna? I know you did Waitress right?

498
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 1: I did? It was the best.

499
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 4: How did it? How did it feel to go from

500
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 4: doing you know, performances on television to that?

501
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 1: Yeah?

502
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 2: So I had started in theater as well. I was

503
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 2: in and I when I was nine on Broadway, and

504
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 2: then I did Spring and Spring Awakening on Broadway when

505
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 2: Graf and Lee were in it, and then half split,

506
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 2: so I joined while they were in it and then

507
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 2: they left, and then I had the new cast as well.

508
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,959
Speaker 2: So I was in both casts right before Lee literally

509
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 2: booked Glee out of Smer awakening, but to return to

510
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,679
Speaker 2: the return to the stage after doing so many years

511
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 2: of Glee was like it was weird and scary because

512
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 2: it had been such a long time, but it was

513
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,360
Speaker 2: literally the best. One of my favorite experiences of all

514
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 2: time was doing Waitress.

515
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 1: Like there's a.

516
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 2: Few things that I I you would have asked me

517
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,199
Speaker 2: during gly like some of your favorite artists. It had

518
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 2: been Sarah Burellis and like, what is the next thing

519
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 2: you want to you was a Broadway musical, so like

520
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,479
Speaker 2: I got both again and like it was just it

521
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 2: was literally the best.

522
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: Like Sarah was there, Lisey pinched me.

523
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 2: She helped design like the speakers on the stage as

524
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 2: like an artist that we could hear better, Like with

525
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 2: the sound so the band was coming through the stage,

526
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 2: You're like, God, bless you. The mics were like crafted

527
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 2: so that you didn't have to work that hard for

528
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 2: her music. It was just so nice.

529
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 1: It was the best. I think about that a lot.

530
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 2: And then Kevin surprised me actually and came and saw

531
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 2: it and texted me at half hour, which I'll never

532
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 2: do to anybody.

533
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: Really, I didn't. You can do that. Some people like it,

534
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: some people don't. It was a big day.

535
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 2: It's like a lot of people there for me, so

536
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 2: I just like it added to like the nerves.

537
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: But Kevin was like, good luck, have a great time.

538
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 2: At your show, and like a selfie of him like

539
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 2: in front of the Marque.

540
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: I didn't know he was in New York or anything.

541
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: So it was great. It was really fun. She was

542
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 1: so good. I was nervous.

543
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 3: I was watching her because I had never seen her

544
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 3: perform in that way, and so I was sitting in

545
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 3: my chair like I had my mouth.

546
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: I was nervous.

547
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 4: Yeah again, but Kevin, what is on your Broadway vision board?

548
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: Well, Kevin is doing like this is the year of

549
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: the musical for Kevin.

550
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

551
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 3: I did my first theater thing last year, yes, spelling bee.

552
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 3: And then I'm going to London to dude.

553
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 4: I'm doing a concert called we Aren't Kids Anymore The

554
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 4: Savoy but the Savoy.

555
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, is going to be a The Savoy soon?

556
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's good. Oh it's going to end.

557
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: Yeah wait, that's exciting that But west End, everyone Brittain loved.

558
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: British men are so jealous. You guys are going to

559
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: London like I can't. I'm actually like so jealous.

560
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 3: This mads me like I was already happy and excited,

561
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 3: but this just really beside myself.

562
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 4: But say something weird. I almost like I would love

563
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 4: to become like a West End diva, even maybe over

564
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 4: a broad I love.

565
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: That for you. Yes, can you do that? I did

566
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: a g I did a gay cruise. This last like.

567
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 2: That.

568
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 4: I went on the gay cruise and I wrote the

569
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 4: show for three days. What I will say is there

570
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 4: was a little bit of like, oh, like, do should

571
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 4: I be taking this gig? Like I just I don't know.

572
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 4: And then I had went to a dinner with Patty

573
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 4: lapone like a week later, and I was like, Patty,

574
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 4: I was just on this gay cruise. She goes, Oh,

575
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,719
Speaker 4: I do those all the time. She goes, those are

576
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 4: my favorite gigs. And I was like, oh thank god.

577
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: I was like, look, Patty of Ru, do you do it?

578
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 4: You show right? Yes in New York, Little Cam.

579
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: I feel like I like the Broadway divas the show.

580
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 4: I feel like if Glee was running right now, I

581
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 4: maybe would have made a cameo wall Oh.

582
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: Oh you would have had a full part. Yeah, I

583
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: forget it. You would have had an arc. You know

584
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: what you have sang something musical theater, right, not pop

585
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: like music.

586
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 4: Would have had to be musical theater, and I think

587
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 4: it would have been Oh.

588
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: Oh, that's the hardest question, you know.

589
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 2: I feel like I feel like going along with Sweet Charity,

590
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 2: like you would have Deald multiple numbers on our show obviously,

591
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 2: so like I feel like we could have had like

592
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 2: a big Spender number with all the girls, like we

593
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 2: could bring Sugar back and do it, and you could

594
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 2: have actually properly done it. We've done songs on the

595
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 2: show multiple times.

596
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 4: I will say my favorite Glee sort of like to

597
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 4: like Nor I still listen to this day is Christian

598
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 4: Chenowick's house is not a home or maybe.

599
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 2: This times literally you I'm not kidding. That's Kelly's favorite

600
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 2: size of the show. He will listen to that on repeat.

601
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 2: Us in London, just like Walking on the River.

602
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: You guys know, there's a new London.

603
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:04,959
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's new, but it's a nice

604
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 2: crisis in London bar that's like a musically I thought online,

605
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 2: I'll find it for you, but apparently.

606
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: There's like a full Broadway musical bar. I'm so jealous,

607
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: you guys.

608
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 4: And you know what you know what we're gonna sing

609
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 4: at that bar? I do house is not a home.

610
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: Oh my god, your words? Ready to go? Your pink suitcase, Kevin,

611
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: I'm you have to wait? You have you have a

612
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: pink suitcase? Yes? The new away bags that are wait?

613
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: Do you two?

614
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 4: I'm so mad at you no, because I emailed a

615
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 4: way about a month ago and I was like, can

616
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 4: I get some suitcases? They only had the silver gla

617
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 4: I was like, I really want pink, but I'll take

618
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 4: the silver glitter. I got the silver glitter. Two weeks later,

619
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 4: the pink ones come out. Oh other fun fact that

620
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 4: I have to tell you, I auditioned for Young Kurt

621
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 4: back in the day and.

622
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: And are you ready? Are you ready? I'm ready?

623
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 4: Guess what other character I auditioned for.

624
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: I'm it was.

625
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 3: It Young Kurt and it was another part in that

626
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 3: episode few years later, Young No Young.

627
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: Not Young Apart.

628
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 2: A few years later Young Kurt was like season two right,

629
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 2: I want to hold your hand, right, I'm gonna get this.

630
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 4: It was Jake Puckerman. I want to let that sit,

631
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 4: I want to let that sit sweating. Yeah, I might

632
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 4: I might be. I was going to say, I might

633
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 4: be the only one that auditioned for both Young Kert

634
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 4: and Cake. But what I definitely confirm is I'm the

635
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 4: only trans woman that auditioned for both Young Kurt and

636
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 4: Jake Puckerman made for you. I'm not okay, I'm I'm

637
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 4: obsessed without being like the first or the only of

638
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 4: like many different I'm trying to get to be the

639
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 4: first trans person to space right now, and that's the

640
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 4: whole thing in itself. But I can confidently say on

641
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,800
Speaker 4: this one that that was correct. I had this manager

642
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 4: that scouted me from high school musical Junior, and she

643
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 4: was very like Joey's agent from Friends, and the amount

644
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 4: of times where it was like You're gonna be amazing,

645
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 4: and and like she well, because I had gone in

646
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 4: for Young Kurt, and then I was like a little

647
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 4: too old. I did look shockingly like Chris pre transition,

648
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 4: and I do think there's also maybe something about me

649
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 4: and Chris playing siblings in something one day on like

650
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 4: a road trip comedy that feels like that feels.

651
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: Like maybe a twenty five vision board thing, thank you.

652
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 4: But then when the Jake audition comes around, I like

653
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 4: it was very obvious that the casting directors were not

654
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 4: like remember that kid that we saw for young Kurt,

655
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 4: We gotta get that one in here. This woman was

656
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 4: like all right, like who knows if she even got

657
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 4: me the proper audition. She told me to show up

658
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,919
Speaker 4: at this place and you had me hijacking things left

659
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 4: and right. And I was probably like fifteen or sixteen,

660
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 4: but I had paid like an online school for like

661
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 4: an illegal diploma that I had graduated high school so

662
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 4: that I could even audition for these things. And I

663
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 4: remember going in there and because I think his whole

664
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 4: thing was that he had to like play guitar, and

665
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 4: like there was like maybe some like sports or you know,

666
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 4: something like that, and I just like, th do you

667
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 4: play guitar? I'm like no, And then they're like any

668
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 4: sports background? Not really now, And then I was probably like,

669
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,439
Speaker 4: I mean, who knows. I was probably like blackbirds singing,

670
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 4: like like there.

671
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: Did you have to sing?

672
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 2: Or no?

673
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 4: The yeah, I think I had to sing for the audition.

674
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: Do you remember what you're saying? That's what I'm trouble.

675
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 4: It's giving either blackbird or it's giving.

676
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: Blackbird for sure, but wow.

677
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, what was your feeling about auditioning for Glee?

678
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 2: Like that's a big one if you're a fan of

679
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 2: the show. Right like that, it was like fifteen years.

680
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 4: I mean, I was like, this is it, you know what?

681
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 4: I also the lore of the Glee musical that was

682
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 4: coming to Broadway for many years. I mean that almost

683
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 4: kept me from transitioning because I was like, well, there's one.

684
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: Role that I as a man, and it was current

685
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: Humble on Broadway, right right, I was.

686
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 4: I was in that my mom's office computer room, singing

687
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 4: those songs ready to go whenever. And in some ways

688
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 4: I'm still waiting and maybe if there was a role

689
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 4: to still a d transition for, it's that one. We're

690
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 4: still waiting.

691
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 1: Your lips to Ryan's ears.

692
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, literally, how about did you know anything about that musical?

693
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 2: We had heard the words of it, but it never

694
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 2: it never got pasted, literally like people talking about it,

695
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 2: not not Ryan, not anybody. We just had heard, like

696
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 2: I mean, there might be a musical. That one playbill article.

697
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 4: Was enough to fuel me for like six years.

698
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: That's probably.

699
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 4: I mean, that was enough to like make me an

700
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 4: audition for like musical theater colleges. Like I was like, well,

701
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 4: there's always the Glee musical.

702
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 3: Maybe that's crazy. That's another one at it to sweet Chair, it.

703
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 2: Wouldn't have been crazy though, like that, it feels like

704
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 2: a very plausible thing at the time.

705
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 4: I will say, I will say Kevin, like my if

706
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 4: I was to do a vision board right after we

707
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 4: end this call and I put the Glee musical, like

708
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,359
Speaker 4: my manifestation skills are so good, it might happen, and

709
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 4: I'm just nervous for all of us.

710
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 3: That's oh my god, Yeah, you on them for us.

711
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: Jake Spickerman, I can't with that. That's never going to

712
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: leave my mind.

713
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 3: And funnily enough, the guy who played Jake Puckerman did

714
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 3: get into Juilliard.

715
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: For Dan. That's what we really messed. That's what we

716
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:20,240
Speaker 1: really messed.

717
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 4: And I mean our lives will look so differently. We

718
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 4: would know each other in very different contexts.

719
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, we would wow about Glee.

720
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 2: Obviously you you loved Kurt. There was like a kinship there.

721
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 2: Tell me about like obviously the musical theater thing as well.

722
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 2: But what else about the show kept you watching? And

723
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 2: what about the show did you like hate watch any

724
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 2: of it any of it or like, were there like

725
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 2: unhitch storylines that you felt like were just like.

726
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 4: I talked till the end.

727
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 2: I was, oh my god, you're like, you're the person

728
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 2: who watched the rest of the show.

729
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 4: It was me. But what is weird is that like

730
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 4: the Josie you know Mayron where I forget what her

731
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 4: character's name was, that like slipped my mind completely because

732
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 4: like I was, that's where it really gets to the end.

733
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:29,280
Speaker 1: There you're like, what did you do? Sure?

734
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 4: But what I loved was like how it was raunchy,

735
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 4: Like there was so many things that like I think

736
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 4: my mom thought it was going over my head that

737
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 4: it didn't. And during the time, like I was that

738
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 4: twelve year old that was like reading Chelsea Handler like

739
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 4: books and similar, Yeah, it's scary. And I think that

740
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 4: I really, like I was obsessed with any time you

741
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 4: guys were talking about sex or you know, I was

742
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 4: even this morning, I was putting make up on. I was

743
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 4: watching like the Sectionals episode, and I was like, wow,

744
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 4: we're like going And in many ways, there were like

745
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 4: some kids that were probably way too young to be

746
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,879
Speaker 4: watching that that because we're singing don't stop believing, Like sure,

747
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 4: I thought it was okay to show your children. Yeah,

748
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 4: but I think that it was always this sort of

749
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 4: like heightened version of reality. And also I'm such a

750
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:28,399
Speaker 4: camp person still, and so my personality is not far

751
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:33,240
Speaker 4: off from what that world looks like. And it's still

752
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 4: it brought me so much peace because like I and

753
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 4: actually I feel like I missed that from TV still

754
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 4: these days. Is that like that really heightened dramatic sort

755
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 4: of like but there was still so much sweetness there

756
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 4: and there was it wasn't past the point of not

757
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,240
Speaker 4: being able to get vulnerable. And and I think that

758
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 4: that's what is sad about television now that's like either

759
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 4: really dry humor or you know, not a musical number

760
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 4: to be seen. It's sort of like why it was

761
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 4: so valuable like it was. It was first Lee and

762
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 4: then Smash was another huge one in my rolodex. But

763
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 4: I think that had it makes me sad thinking that

764
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 4: like the younger generation right now doesn't have that like

765
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 4: theater kid pipeline TV show. What is that right now?

766
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe it was a high school musical

767
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: TV show.

768
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 4: Okay, there's what we love, we love.

769
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, you're right, there's and it walked that

770
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 3: fine line, which I think is sort of like Ryan's

771
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 3: whole bag of like being really satirical and like dark humor,

772
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 3: and there was always space, like you said, Dylan, that

773
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:50,280
Speaker 3: you could always get grounded and have something really meaningful happen.

774
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 3: And being able to do that in the same episode

775
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 3: is crazy. And it always happened, and it always worked,

776
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 3: and we always bought it.

777
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 4: Yes, And it's a red flag for me when people

778
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 4: say that they can't enjoy that, or like once somebody

779
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 4: starts singing, they like completely check out right. I had

780
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 4: people that went to see the Wicked film and they're like,

781
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 4: I loved all the parts except when they sang, and

782
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 4: I was like that to me, like death, Like I like,

783
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 4: it's it's a Wendy Williams, Like you know.

784
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: Just like nope.

785
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 4: I think that, like the the art of like figuring

786
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 4: out how to get into a musical number in an

787
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 4: acting bee is so funny and it.

788
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 3: Didn't always work, you know, like sometimes it works better

789
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 3: than others. And I think like with Wicked and when

790
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 3: Glee or any musical is at its best is when

791
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 3: those songs are advancing the story and explaining things the

792
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 3: characters feeling that they can't explain through regular words, And like,

793
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 3: how can I.

794
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 4: Even feel that can I even go as far as

795
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 4: I feel like the musical theater on the show did

796
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 4: the best job of that, because I feel like the

797
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 4: pop songs didn't always tell the full story where it's

798
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 4: maybe his time moment, like we're going in so many

799
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 4: other places.

800
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, Journey for sure. I think you're correct.

801
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's on now that we've solved Glee.

802
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: What are you listening to? What do you listen to

803
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:16,760
Speaker 1: on the regular?

804
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I feel like I let everyone tell,

805
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 4: like figure out what the good songs are. I have

806
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 4: been listening to a lot of Juno Sabrina Carpenter that

807
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 4: I and I listened to the same, like seven songs

808
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 4: on repeat.

809
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 1: I'm a looper.

810
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 4: We've got a lot of Gaga going right now, getting

811
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 4: ready for Coachella. Oh my god, Perfect Celebrity, Garden of Eden.

812
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 4: Oh it's killer, it's so good, Perfect Celebrity. I did

813
00:43:55,760 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 4: get to listen to Abracadabra early early, did so lucky

814
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 4: I did.

815
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: Does she ever come on the show? No, but but

816
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 1: I think she likes it. Yeah, she loves it. Confirmed

817
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 1: she yeah, on the Vogue thing. Jenna was in one

818
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: of her music videos.

819
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 2: She yes, So it's crazy. We did a lot of

820
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 2: her music. Obviously, we did episodes for her. Ryan loved her.

821
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 2: She was like the hottest of hot at the time.

822
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 2: And then the guy that I was dating, his friend

823
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 2: whose TV show they were on a TV show together,

824
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 2: was dating Gada.

825
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: They got engaged and so they were He was like, she.

826
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 2: Was visiting him in Atlanta and I was in Atlanta too,

827
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 2: and so he's like, hey, my my girlfriend wants to

828
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 2: come out or like Lady Kaka rights like yeah, so

829
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 2: she like comes over that.

830
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 4: She can come.

831
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, she comes over like a rotisserie chicken and like

832
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 2: apple sapples, like chicken that he had like eaten a

833
00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 2: bite of and she's like, I'm so sorry he like

834
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 2: eat some of it.

835
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, I also, you.

836
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,879
Speaker 4: Just said Lady Gaga showed up as a rotes stry chicken.

837
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 4: I was like, what does that outfit look like?

838
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 1: I would have loved that too, works.

839
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 3: Work for friends game night, It's almost.

840
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: She showed up as a rottach.

841
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 4: Is what got cut for the VMEs?

842
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 2: But yeah, then exactly how did you end up in

843
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 2: the And then so we were just chatting, we like

844
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 2: became like buds.

845
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: That night we all went out to a bar, like

846
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: so much fun. It was awesome.

847
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 2: And then I guess I was like on her mind

848
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 2: and she was talking about her in music video that

849
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 2: she was directing.

850
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 1: It was married the night.

851
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 2: And then like a couple of days later, I got

852
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 2: a call and they're like, Gaga, I wants like to

853
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:42,240
Speaker 2: know if you want to be in a music video.

854
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: She's directing this her first, it's her directorial debut. I

855
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 1: was like yes. I was like, but there's a slight problem.

856
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: I'm shooting Glee and we don't stop working. So she

857
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: called Ryan and was like, hey.

858
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 2: Ryan, I would ask if you could release Jenna for

859
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:57,800
Speaker 2: these two days so that she could come and do

860
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 2: my music video.

861
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,040
Speaker 1: It's like yeah, whatever, sure.

862
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,919
Speaker 2: And so nobody gets out to do nobody, but Lady

863
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 2: Gaga calls Ryan. You know you get out, and so

864
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 2: Ryan get graciously like let me out to go do it.

865
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 2: So I did two days on her music video and

866
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 2: it's very brief and like it was a full movie

867
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 2: in the music video that like you didn't get to see,

868
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 2: like nobody saw it, but we shot like a full

869
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 2: short film in her in like in a set apartment

870
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 2: that like and then like you literally catch me if

871
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 2: you pause it and look at the far end of

872
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:29,439
Speaker 2: the actual edit.

873
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: But but I was.

874
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 4: There, Okay, I'm actually putting on my vision board is

875
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 4: to see the short film that was.

876
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: Oh I want to see that.

877
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, I'm nervous, Like I was like,

878
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 4: should I just text her and ask for to like

879
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 4: maybe get that on her plate? And there's like can

880
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 4: you imagine getting ready for Coachella and like this crazy

881
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 4: world tour and it's like some trans girl being.

882
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: Like, Hi, can we please see them Marry the Night video.

883
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 4: I was just talking to my friend on a podcast

884
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 4: and she we didn't get to see that Clinton, So

885
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 4: if you could take time to do that when you're

886
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 4: not rehearsal would be great in your busy schedule.

887
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Can you take a picture of

888
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:18,879
Speaker 1: yourself as a registery chick and thank you?

889
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 4: But if her an idea, you know that's no.

890
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: I know You're welcome, Goga, You're just so you got

891
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: like that with GAA. You guys text.

892
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 4: We are texting, and we're on a tensing basis that

893
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 4: she's an ally.

894
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:39,720
Speaker 1: She she's for the dolls on every she is saying

895
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: it from the rooftops like she's using her full chest

896
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 1: and she gets that. I mean, I think that's kind

897
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 1: of what we need right now.

898
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, it's so scared, especially I think just in

899
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 4: this industry now, people are scared of like what does

900
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 4: it mean to, you know, hire a transperson, even a

901
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 4: queer person. At this point, there's this like fear and

902
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 4: I don't know what pride looks like, and I don't

903
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 4: know what the kind of bigger picture looks like. But

904
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 4: I at least know the people in my life and

905
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 4: in my circle and the ones that I can depend on.

906
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 4: She's one of them, and I feel so lucky that.

907
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 4: I mean that also, honestly, meet your heroes like that,

908
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 4: like that is what I There's very few people that

909
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 4: I admired that did not live up to what my

910
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 4: young Dylan thought. Coating being with the two of you

911
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 4: right now, I mean, it's so cool.

912
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: You're cool, are you? You're cool?

913
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 3: Like I know, you probably didn't sign up for TikTok

914
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 3: thinking you were going to be, you know, a gigantic

915
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 3: role model or millions of people's I don't know, and

916
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 3: maybe only experience of like seeing a trans person like

917
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 3: live happily in the ups and downs. And like, but

918
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:03,919
Speaker 3: here you are, like that's no small responsibility whether you

919
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 3: and you've done it in a way that I don't

920
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 3: know how. I don't know how you have, but like

921
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 3: you're here so kind every time I see you, yours

922
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 3: always kind, And I know you have long days. You're

923
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 3: getting it all the time from people, the good and

924
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 3: the bad. But and you're handling it like you are

925
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:25,439
Speaker 3: crushing it.

926
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: We are so lucky.

927
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 4: We're so lucky to be doing what it is we

928
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 4: love and have gotten to these experiences. I think it's

929
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,359
Speaker 4: because I'm camp that I can get through because there

930
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 4: is like I'm like, oh I took a beer company

931
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 4: down that's camp. Like oh I just get a gay cruise,

932
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 4: that's camp. You know, there's like if you can't find

933
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 4: the hilarity in the darkness of what we're all living through,

934
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 4: then I just don't know the point.

935
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: You're right, You're so right.

936
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 2: Can we talk about this book for a second, because

937
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 2: that's a hard journey in itself?

938
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,439
Speaker 1: Like what was the what was the process for the book?

939
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 1: How was it? Did you enjoy it? Was it hard? Was?

940
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 4: I think what's weird is going from uh, like every

941
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 4: single day making a new thing putting it out there,

942
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 4: seeing how the world responded, and then waking up the

943
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 4: next day and doing it again. It was so conflicting

944
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,439
Speaker 4: because I was like, what do you mean, I can't

945
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 4: put the book out tomorrow?

946
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: And in a way that process right right totally.

947
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,359
Speaker 4: But that really freaked me out because I was like, Okay,

948
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 4: I'm signing up for this thing that will come out

949
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 4: in like three years from now, and.

950
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: I didn't know.

951
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 4: I was scared because I was like, I don't know

952
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 4: what that looks like. And it ended up being a

953
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 4: really great thing. Because I thought the book was going

954
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 4: to be one thing. Then beer Gate happened and I

955
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:55,839
Speaker 4: grew up so much and it became another. I think

956
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 4: the one piece of it that makes me slightly like

957
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 4: uncomfortable is the fact that, like I this is these

958
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,280
Speaker 4: are my twenty five year old words, and I feel

959
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 4: like a little slightly different, you know. It's a little

960
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 4: more earnest than I am now, And I'm starting to

961
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 4: try to let that just be like a gift of like, oh,

962
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 4: how how great that that's a time stamp of that chapter.

963
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 4: But I think that in a way, because of all

964
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 4: the dark parts of what have happened in the last

965
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 4: three years having somewhere to put it that wasn't the

966
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 4: Internet that felt safer. Did you guys, Like, at what

967
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 4: point did you realize the Internet, like when you were

968
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 4: doing the show was like kind of becoming as big

969
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 4: as it did. Like with with your relationship to the

970
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:46,919
Speaker 4: social media.

971
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, what we we started really at like the advent

972
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 3: of Twitter. It was like twine. Twitter sort of blew up,

973
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 3: and that's what we did. And so it started off

974
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 3: as like a really positive I would say, the first

975
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 3: season and a half ye, and it started to mirror

976
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,399
Speaker 3: what Ryan had always told us about, you know, if

977
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 3: we are lucky enough to have success, it's great, and

978
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 3: they're going to build us up, but just at some

979
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 3: point they're going to tear you down. And I think

980
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 3: having in the back of our minds one having no

981
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 3: previous interaction with social media in that way, because my

982
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,839
Speaker 3: Space was not like that. Facebook was not like that.

983
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:27,359
Speaker 3: Like I was on Facebook when you had to get

984
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 3: an invite to get on Facebook, right wow, And so

985
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 3: like that's what we were used to in terms of

986
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 3: social media, and I don't even think there was the

987
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 3: term social media at the time.

988
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: And so.

989
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 3: I think our relationship to it. It felt really fun

990
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 3: and really positive at the beginning, right where like you

991
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:51,359
Speaker 3: could that instant gratification and like you were meeting people

992
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 3: who were so excited about the thing you were a

993
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 3: part of is so nice and reaffirming and gratifying. That

994
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 3: like being able to interact people like that was unbelievable

995
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 3: and it still is.

996
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: That is like the best thing.

997
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:09,760
Speaker 4: But it is scary, I think when you know people

998
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 4: do turn on you or when the wrong people find you,

999
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 4: because then people feel like they've got a direct line yes,

1000
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:22,839
Speaker 4: and that can be really dangerous because I think what

1001
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 4: ended up happening was sort of this like, oh, oh

1002
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 4: my gosh, I'm including everyone in my life and I'm

1003
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 4: showing them my personal you know, vulnerabilities both internal and external,

1004
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 4: and then people start to feel like they have a

1005
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 4: right to that and so so hard to scale back.

1006
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 4: It's so hard to redefine boundaries with parasocial relationships. And

1007
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 4: what is weird too is I always thought that like

1008
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 4: maybe people would know me as like a character that

1009
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 4: I eventually played, But people really feel like they know me,

1010
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 4: and which is such a compliment because that means they like,

1011
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 4: you know, the idea of who I even though I

1012
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 4: have a thousand other parts to myself. But I think

1013
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 4: that did people project, especially like through social media and

1014
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:10,879
Speaker 4: starting to get to know you. Was there any part

1015
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 4: of them that was like frustrated when you weren't living

1016
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 4: up to like the character that they had built in

1017
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 4: their heads around you.

1018
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, yeah, I think it started. That's right, Kevin

1019
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 2: has started really positive. And then I feel really lucky

1020
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 2: honestly because we were at the dawn. We weren't in

1021
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 2: the height, you know, or like the explosion of Instagram

1022
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 2: where like stories started to come out like that was

1023
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 2: after we were off and that really fast, like I

1024
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 2: know what her house looks, like, I know where she

1025
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 2: is all the time kind of feeling wasn't there when

1026
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,359
Speaker 2: we were on Glee and we were really just like

1027
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:49,240
Speaker 2: telling vogging from like set, so it felt really safe

1028
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:49,879
Speaker 2: in a way.

1029
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 1: Where As like as.

1030
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 2: We started to as it started to the time started

1031
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 2: to go on, like towards the end, we started to

1032
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 2: see like battles between fans over things, fighting within each

1033
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 2: other and cyberbullying and all of that. It was like

1034
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 2: really rude and terrible, but it didn't happen until later.

1035
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:14,720
Speaker 2: And I think we also got a lot of like

1036
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,760
Speaker 2: like I didn't write the show, but like they would

1037
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 2: hate us for storylines and hate us for things that

1038
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 2: we did to other characters and things that we said.

1039
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 1: And then it started to just really snowballs.

1040
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 4: And then what like I built my entire thing on

1041
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 4: like telling everyone everything and being honest and all this stuff.

1042
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:35,720
Speaker 4: But then you realize when then you're in a place

1043
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:39,839
Speaker 4: whether you're behind a contract or it's literally not your

1044
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:43,240
Speaker 4: place to speak on certain things and people are demanding

1045
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 4: things of you, we were like, wait, this doesn't even

1046
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 4: fall under my jurisdiction, yes, or I legally cannot tell

1047
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 4: you this thing. And yet that that's what's I think crazy.

1048
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:57,839
Speaker 4: I give so much more grace to anyone that's putting

1049
00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 4: themselves out there, whether it's in the public eye or

1050
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,800
Speaker 4: they're writing a book or they have a podcast, because

1051
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 4: it is it's weird to and it's scary to put

1052
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 4: yourself out there. And it doesn't mean.

1053
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: That everybody gets like a right to everything.

1054
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 2: Then like, and I do think you're right, Like I

1055
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 2: feel like people really do feel like because you are,

1056
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 2: this comes with the territory.

1057
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 1: That's what people would say.

1058
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 2: It's kind of like becoming famous on a show when

1059
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 2: you're an actor, and they're like, it comes with the territory.

1060
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 2: They should just know that if they're getting interrupted during

1061
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 2: dinner or they're interrupted while shopping or walking outside, like

1062
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 2: that's what they signed up for.

1063
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 1: Actually it's not. It's not what we signed that for.

1064
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 4: Can can I ask a question?

1065
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 1: Yeah that's the way?

1066
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 4: Okay, I just started a podcast. It's called The Dylan Hour,

1067
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 4: and yeah, thank you. I find myself over sharing in

1068
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 4: really crazy ways on like on podcasts, where I'm like

1069
00:56:57,920 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 4: and then I get done with them, I'm like, whoa,

1070
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 4: how did that just happen? How how do you guys

1071
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 4: with this what we're doing right now? Like where are you? Like,

1072
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:09,919
Speaker 4: have you defined what your boundaries are before you even

1073
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:13,359
Speaker 4: go into you know, making all these episodes, or how

1074
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,840
Speaker 4: does that work for you guys as podcast hosts?

1075
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 3: Great question. We sort of deal with it as it comes.

1076
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 3: I think luckily because Jenna and I, I mean had

1077
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 3: almost the exact same experience. We're part of the exact

1078
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 3: same thing where we have that check and knowledge and

1079
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 3: foundational like friendship to be able to tell what's cool

1080
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 3: to say publicly and what's not.

1081
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 1: I always like to sell to Kevin though, like there's

1082
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 1: a rule like it's not my story to tell, so

1083
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 1: if it involves one of our other cast members, I

1084
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 1: just say, it's not our story. Yeah.

1085
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 3: There's been a couple of times where I'm like, Okay,

1086
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 3: well this thing actually happened behind the scenes and I

1087
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 3: don't know, and she's like no. I'm also not one

1088
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 3: who likes headlines are like attention like that, Like I'm

1089
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 3: not trying to you know, I want our podcasts to

1090
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 3: do well, and I want all of that, but I

1091
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 3: don't want like the Aden way. Yeah, And I think

1092
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 3: it's like we come from a place where this show

1093
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 3: and this podcast is about explaining the narrative from our

1094
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 3: perspective and only we can tell it from our perspective.

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00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 3: And it's positive and it's light, and there was challenges,

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00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 3: and there was dark times and tragedy and friendship and

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00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 3: fights and like all of the truths that happened when

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00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 3: you were in a family.

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Speaker 2: But the reality is like the headlines that you're reading

1100
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 2: about the rivals and all of the crap that you read,

1101
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 2: it's like a zero zero one percent compared to all

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00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 2: the good things that happened to us.

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00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 1: On the show and our relationships.

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00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 2: And so I think we kind of lead with the

1105
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 2: positivity and just really laying down the narrative that like this,

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00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 2: this is what was true, this is what was true,

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00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 2: and then like the rest kind of comes and like

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00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 2: we kind of just.

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00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly. And I think that's maybe what we have

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00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 1: in common.

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00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 4: It's like trying to always lead with the positive and

1112
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 4: the truth, and I think it's it makes me sad

1113
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 4: that so much of what media has become is for

1114
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 4: the clickbait, where you know, they want the drama, they

1115
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 4: want to they want to see people, you know, hurting,

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00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 4: they're hurting others, and I think that's what I don't

1117
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:38,919
Speaker 4: ever want to prescribe to. And I think you are

1118
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 4: both like iconic hosts for making people feel so comfortable

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00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 4: on here and.

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Speaker 2: Well you're a great interview by the way, So I

1121
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 2: have thank you.

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00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 1: I have in the world that you're going to be

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00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 1: a great podcast as well.

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00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you're just the best. There's nothing really that

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00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 3: you haven't set your mind to that you've tried to

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00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 3: do and have not just crushed it.

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00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 4: He The one thing is I really wish Jenna would

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01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 4: come to London.

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01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, I have a small new small child. I know,

1130
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 2: so sadly, I don't think they get to London this.

1131
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 2: What about a little bit by Ones.

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01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 3: Jenna, I'll buy what severalby ones you want?

1133
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 1: Yes, I will. I mean I would love that. Yes,

1134
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 1: I will that. He would be really cute.

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01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, he would good coloring for that.

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01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 1: I would love that. No, you guys have the best

1137
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 1: time in London.

1138
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 2: Okay, before we let you go, Dylan, we have to

1139
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 2: know what is the feeling that.

1140
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 1: Glee leaves you with.

1141
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 4: Mmm. I think it's like, this is crazy infinite femininity,

1142
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 4: because yes, when I think about me dancing to like

1143
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 4: rag Doll, or like say a little prayer, or like

1144
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 4: in my living room like as a kid, Like sure,

1145
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 4: there was plenty of other storylines in there, but it

1146
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 4: was the femininity within the show that helped me survive

1147
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 4: and get to my womanhood and ultimately, like, so much

1148
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 4: of who I am now is still that kid that

1149
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 4: was like dancing in my living room that to your

1150
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 4: show and so and I think it's infinite because it

1151
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 4: has gotten me this far and it's going to keep

1152
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 4: getting me to the next and where me and Kevin

1153
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 4: are still listening to houses, not a home, so this

1154
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 4: really could be infinite and beyond it.

1155
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 3: Oh it is, that's right. We celebrate it. We celebrate

1156
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 3: the femininity.

1157
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 4: And I.

1158
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 1: My eyes were starting to have moisture in them. That

1159
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 1: was really beautiful.

1160
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 3: And thank you for sharing that, and thank you for

1161
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 3: being on here and being so willing to talk about

1162
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 3: Glee in depth and share so much of yourself with us.

1163
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 3: I know you get pulled in a million directions, so

1164
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 3: it means a lot that. Yeah, as much time.

1165
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:08,479
Speaker 4: I haven't enjoyed doing this more than just about any

1166
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 4: other press thing that I've gotten for this book. And

1167
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 4: we made all the way through not one trans people

1168
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:16,440
Speaker 4: in sports question.

1169
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 1: No, we promised.

1170
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 4: That's for that's for my comeback episode.

1171
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 1: That's the title You're welcome only talking about. It's thirty

1172
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 1: seconds long and it's just about in sports.

1173
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 2: Oh well, thank you, thank you so much again for

1174
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 2: for just being with us.

1175
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 1: It's really such pleasure.

1176
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 4: I can't wait to see you in person, both of you.

1177
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 4: I'll text you. I'll text you, Yeah, text me.

1178
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 3: Go listen to Dylan's podcast, Go by Dylan's book, like

1179
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 3: come on, it's you do.

1180
01:02:58,480 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 4: On stage.

1181
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 1: See both of us on stage in London Fair.

1182
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, I love you both, love you so much,

1183
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 4: love you bye?

1184
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 1: What did I tell you? I mean you were right? Wow.

1185
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 3: Dylan is the gift that keeps on giving. What a

1186
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 3: light for so many people, for me, for us, She's

1187
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 3: just the the realist.

1188
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 1: And what a great hombo. Love her, love her? Yeah,

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01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 1: I mean, did you make it very Chris's inner circle.

1190
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 1: It's pretty good. You're vouched for it. That's like vouching

1191
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 1: the highest honor. Good person, good advocate stands for good things, integrity, funny,

1192
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 1: like smart, charming, like lovely, really really wonderful.

1193
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 3: Diagram that she's got going on of friendship, you know,

1194
01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 3: like guy Chris.

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01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also like I want her to make my

1196
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 2: vision board?

1197
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 1: Wow? Yeah, can we have a vision board party? Maybe

1198
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 1: that's what we should.

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01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 2: Do, Kevin, let's do that off New Year's unless you're

1200
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 2: going somewhere else for New Year's.

1201
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 1: Let's do it. Okay, Okay, have you made a vision

1202
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 1: board for this year?

1203
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 4: No?

1204
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 2: I tend to write down words and lists, but I

1205
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 2: really only made words for this one.

1206
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:27,440
Speaker 3: But I mean, like, okay, I'll talk to Dylan. Maybe

1207
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:31,919
Speaker 3: we'll just do like a visual party as vision board

1208
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 3: party let's do it.

1209
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 1: That sounds fun. Okay great. Thanks for joining us, and

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01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 1: that's what you really missed by.

1211
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:42,440
Speaker 3: Thanks for listening, and follow us on Instagram at and

1212
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:44,760
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01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 3: us a review and leave us five stars. See you

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Speaker 3: next time.