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Speaker 1: new Thursday edition of the Draft Show from our virtual
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Speaker 1: mothership back at the Star in Frisco. But we are
Speaker 1: ready to break down one what has been really kind
Speaker 1: of a crazy twelve hours for the NFL. As Urban
Speaker 1: Meyer is back in the Fray as a head coach,
Speaker 1: as he's going or at least finalizing a deal with
Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Jaguars, who by the way, have the first
Speaker 1: pick in the NFL Draft. Then Kelvin Moore apparently being
Speaker 1: requested for an interview for the Philadelphia Eagles, and I'm
Speaker 1: apparently broadcasting from the mountains now, which is something that
Speaker 1: is different for all of us. But hey, it's the
Speaker 1: official draft season and anything can happen, so we are
Speaker 1: glad to be with you here on the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: dot Com Draft Show, Kyle Yeoman's, Dane Brugler, Jeff Kavanaugh,
Speaker 1: and Kevin kat Turner with you as always this crew
Speaker 1: every Thursday at ten am. But Dane, it really has
Speaker 1: been a crazy couple of hours throughout the NFL and
Speaker 1: really the college football season now in the rearview mirror.
Speaker 1: It's crazy to think about. But hey, it's draft season officially.
Speaker 1: I know you've been in draft season for quite some time,
Speaker 1: we all have been, but officially for everyone, it's draft
Speaker 1: season at this point with college football season now being
Speaker 1: over with. Yeah, and it's an interesting point in the
Speaker 1: year because there's a lot of hirings and firings going
Speaker 1: on type of thing that will shape how Draft weekend
Speaker 1: plays out. You know, both with the Cowboys and around
Speaker 1: the NFL. You know these whether it's assistant coaches, head coaches,
Speaker 1: you know, the new faces, the new names. That plays
Speaker 1: a part in how the draft will play out. So
Speaker 1: it's certainly something to pay attention to. Where only what
Speaker 1: a week and a half away from the Senior Bowl,
Speaker 1: we don't know what's gonna happen with the combine, so
Speaker 1: there's still a lot up in the air with what
Speaker 1: this draft season is going to look like. But it's
Speaker 1: going to make that more challenging, but all the more
Speaker 1: reason to kind of talk through it on this platform
Speaker 1: and kind of have fun with it. Jeff, are you excited?
Speaker 1: Is there a little extra excitement whenever it comes to
Speaker 1: the fact that hey, there's you're kind of getting closer
Speaker 1: to these big events like the Senior Bowl. Of course
Speaker 1: the combines a bit on the horizon still, but is
Speaker 1: there a little added emphasis and maybe even anxiousness for
Speaker 1: you as a guy who covers the draft, but also
Speaker 1: maybe even a little bit for these front offices. I Mean,
Speaker 1: this year is just so much different. Like I don't
Speaker 1: even know. I don't know what the Senior Bowl is
Speaker 1: gonna look like. We don't know if they're just going
Speaker 1: to be a line or what that's gonna look like.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's always it's always fun. It's always exciting
Speaker 1: to get closer to it because I think the Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl it can be so important to players in terms
Speaker 1: of if you're a small school guy and what you
Speaker 1: can prove to NFL teams, or if you're considered a
Speaker 1: third day of the draft guy and you're going up
Speaker 1: against guys who are considered better than that and you
Speaker 1: kick their butt all week. I always I love the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. The Combine's great, but I love the Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl because I think guys can make money at the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. So I'm excited about that. Katie, you got
Speaker 1: that anxiousness too a little bit with a crazy offseason
Speaker 1: like this. You know, for me, I think it's more
Speaker 1: in the realm of you know, draft season's always pretty
Speaker 1: hot and heavy. It's it's when someone like a national
Speaker 1: pundit like Dane Brugler ignores the no fireworks sign and
Speaker 1: it's like, you know what, here's some snakes and sparklers
Speaker 1: and black cats. Here's my mock draft too. Like that's
Speaker 1: all you need is that's enough to get you to
Speaker 1: get you going and get your juice's phone a little bit.
Speaker 1: So ye see it. You can't stop looking at it
Speaker 1: and thinking about how you might do it, and maybe
Speaker 1: you're doing mock draft simulators online and things like that.
Speaker 1: That's to me where it kind of I get more
Speaker 1: anxious for that. I guess I would say I'm more
Speaker 1: of a day to day guy. Then what event is
Speaker 1: going to happen in February? Because I don't know that's
Speaker 1: a good point, and really that's probably the best way
Speaker 1: to go about it. Right now in this offseason, it's
Speaker 1: day to day whenever it comes to the draft process.
Speaker 1: But you mentioned Dane's mock draft. We're gonna get to
Speaker 1: that coming up here in a little bit. We're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about how Dane's mock draft on the Athletic You
Speaker 1: should go and read it, look through all of it.
Speaker 1: Really fantastic work from Dan as always, but it did
Speaker 1: provide a little bit of a spark and something that
Speaker 1: was interesting, especially for the Cowboys. And we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about it in the moment, But I do want to
Speaker 1: talk about the rumors surrounding kell and Moore, since we
Speaker 1: are the first show for Dallas Cowboys dot Com that
Speaker 1: has been on air since at least These rumors surfaced
Speaker 1: about an hour and a half before we went live here.
Speaker 1: But Jeff, when it comes to the Cowboys and Kellen Moore,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a guy that last week or
Speaker 1: two weeks ago we were talking about maybe taking the
Speaker 1: Boise State job. He elects to stay here, gets an extension,
Speaker 1: a big extension at that, and now he's apparently being rumored.
Speaker 1: If you're Kellen Moore, One do you go an interview
Speaker 1: for the job? And two what should you feel like
Speaker 1: if you're a Cowboys fan? Right now? I think there's
Speaker 1: only so many opportunities to be a head coach in
Speaker 1: the NFL, So if Kellen Moore has an opportunity to
Speaker 1: interview for it, I would go take it. I couldn't
Speaker 1: imagine that one the Eagles would actually offer their head
Speaker 1: coaching job to somebody who would be a first time
Speaker 1: head coach that's still kind of young as a coordinator.
Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine that they would actually offer him the job.
Speaker 1: And if I believe to myself and I was Kellen Moore,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want that job either, because I think the
Speaker 1: Eagles opening is an absolute train wreck right now between
Speaker 1: where they are with the cap all they're old guys
Speaker 1: on that roster that are locked in for years, Like
Speaker 1: I don't that you don't know who your quarterback is
Speaker 1: or you're just hoping that Carson Wentz can become a
Speaker 1: good quarterback again. So I think one the Eagles, I'd
Speaker 1: be shocked if they didn't offer their job to somebody
Speaker 1: with head coach experience or at least more coordinator experience.
Speaker 1: And two, if I'm Kellen Moore, I don't want that
Speaker 1: job because I think it's a setup. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's gonna go well. Catsey, Yeah no, No, there's two
Speaker 1: answers because the important thing in the story is requested permission.
Speaker 1: So there's two answers that the Jones family has. Number
Speaker 1: one is nah, we're good, and then number two is
Speaker 1: do you think Kellen we could send you on this
Speaker 1: mission and you could find the deep dark secrets inside
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia facility? Can you find out what Roseman and
Speaker 1: Lurie are up to? It's more of that type of thing.
Speaker 1: If you send Kellen, you just don't let him have
Speaker 1: that interview. He signed the contracts, so he's got to
Speaker 1: get permission, you know, unless you want to look like
Speaker 1: a good guy, say go chase your dreams and get
Speaker 1: the job. But I feel like I feel like this
Speaker 1: is it was a very odd thing to just come
Speaker 1: up out of nowhere. I will say this though, Philadelphia
Speaker 1: might just be the team. It's like, you know what,
Speaker 1: there's enough, there's an enough steam, smoke and steam around uh,
Speaker 1: you know Kellen Moore, and in his future as a coach,
Speaker 1: they might I think they might offer him the job
Speaker 1: if they've got him in for an interview. I don't
Speaker 1: know if he's their number one candidate, but I don't
Speaker 1: think it's it's crazy to think that. But the answer
Speaker 1: if you're the Cowboys is no, you're not going to
Speaker 1: interview for that job. Would just sign you do a deal? Dude? Now,
Speaker 1: since it's a head coaching job, it can't Kellen Moore
Speaker 1: go on his own or is that a flip flop
Speaker 1: if you are a head coach. I don't know the rules. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think if they can't stop him. Yeah, coaching
Speaker 1: job if it's a promotion like that. But and if
Speaker 1: you're killing Moore, it's a good experience go in the interview.
Speaker 1: You know. I think if you're the Eagles, it makes
Speaker 1: sense because you've seen what that offense has done with
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott. Uh, you know, you know, Jalen Hurts might
Speaker 1: be your future. There's some parallels there with those two quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: Maybe you know, you can can learn some a few
Speaker 1: things and so it's an interesting you know inner division, Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, relationship that is. I think, you know, if
Speaker 1: you're Kellen Moore, you have to take you have to
Speaker 1: go on that interview. I think it's good experience and
Speaker 1: if you're the Eagles, you can get some information, so
Speaker 1: it's an interesting dynamic. Yeah, I ended up the last
Speaker 1: two minutes of what I said, and that's why I
Speaker 1: did the draft. I don't know the coaching rules. That's okay,
Speaker 1: that's how we roll here. But I think it is interesting.
Speaker 1: I mean, hey, maybe they're trying to steal Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1: Not just hey, it's a thing about Jalen Hurts and
Speaker 1: how he does line up with Dak Prescott. Maybe they're
Speaker 1: trying to steal Dak. Who knows. We'll see how that
Speaker 1: kind of ends up rolling. But I don't think it'll
Speaker 1: ultimately turn into much. But I wouldn't be against Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore at least going and interviewing. That's great experience and
Speaker 1: a guy who, like you said, Jeff, initially, there's only
Speaker 1: a certain amount of head coaching jobs and opportunities to
Speaker 1: be a head coach. Why not take at least a
Speaker 1: shot at one of them. Now, let's get into that
Speaker 1: two round mock draft that Dane put out on the
Speaker 1: Athletic CoA check it out as always, but starting things off,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go through kind of the top nine and
Speaker 1: talk through some of the highlights early on three quarterbacks
Speaker 1: in the first four picks. Right up at the top,
Speaker 1: of course, Trevor Lawrence going number one overall to Clemson
Speaker 1: or excuse me, to Jacksonville out of Clemson. Then you've
Speaker 1: got the Jets taking Zach Wilson, the quarterback out of BYU.
Speaker 1: DeVante Smith is the first wide receiver and non quarterback
Speaker 1: off the board. He goes to the Miami Dolphins at three.
Speaker 1: Fields from Ohio State goes to the Falcons, and then
Speaker 1: it goes sewel Jamar Chase to the Eagles at six,
Speaker 1: Micah Parsons to the Lyons at seven. Carolina takes Trey
Speaker 1: Lance the fourth quarterback off the board, and then the
Speaker 1: Denver Broncos steel Klea Farley at nine, right before the
Speaker 1: Cowboys go at ten. But Dane, I want you to
Speaker 1: introduce the Cowboys pick at number ten in your mock
Speaker 1: draft because I think it's one that's very interesting and
Speaker 1: an intriguing thought process. Whenever that day in April comes around, well,
Speaker 1: of course, Cowboys fans were unanimous in their love for
Speaker 1: this pick. No, actually they weren't. I went with Reshaun
Speaker 1: Slater offensive town call Northwestern, and you know, I first off,
Speaker 1: I want to say, look mock drafts, especially now in January.
Speaker 1: It's about scenarios. It's not about this is who they're
Speaker 1: absolutely going to take or they should take. It's about
Speaker 1: laying out the scenarios. And when you look at the
Speaker 1: Cowboys I think Rashawn Slater is the perfect fit for
Speaker 1: what they need. He's a guy that can step in
Speaker 1: play guard right away. He can step in play left tackle,
Speaker 1: right tackle. It gives you a long term plan for
Speaker 1: life after tyring a left tackle, so you have so
Speaker 1: much position flexibility, and I feel like that it gets
Speaker 1: thrown around a lot. He has realistic position versatility where
Speaker 1: he can play tackle or a guard and they're just
Speaker 1: he can step in from day one. He's NFL already
Speaker 1: technique wise, timing wise, discipline wise. So I think there's
Speaker 1: a lot going for Rashawn Slater that where you plug
Speaker 1: him into that offensive line and that fixes a lot
Speaker 1: of issues. Now, there are some Cowboys fans that will say, well,
Speaker 1: if it's not defense, I don't want to hear about it.
Speaker 1: You know, it just it doesn't make any sense. And
Speaker 1: I get that something I'll say in defense of the pick,
Speaker 1: is it's not easy to find offensive lineman outside the
Speaker 1: first round. I think it's a lot easier to find linebackers,
Speaker 1: even a corner Trevon Diggs last year. I think it's
Speaker 1: easier to find guys in the secondary. It's easier on
Speaker 1: day two compared to an offensive lineman, especially a premier
Speaker 1: offensive lineman. So I think there'll be a lot of
Speaker 1: Cowboys fans that would balk at picking Slater, especially over
Speaker 1: a Gila Certan out of Alabama. But I think that
Speaker 1: it's at least a conversation that the Cowboys need to
Speaker 1: have in terms of impact potential for how they can
Speaker 1: help this offense and gives them a plan for how
Speaker 1: to attack the defense on day two. I think it
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. But Jeff, whenever there's a
Speaker 1: guy like certain on the board, you have every dt
Speaker 1: on the board, and there's guys like that, how much
Speaker 1: poudse does he give you going with the offensive side
Speaker 1: of the football, or does this pick make that much
Speaker 1: sense in order to make it a reality if it
Speaker 1: were to come to fruition. To me, it makes all
Speaker 1: the sense in the world. So I have no hesitation
Speaker 1: if they were to make a pick like that, even
Speaker 1: with the board looking exactly like it did, because I
Speaker 1: was looking at this the other day. You're still counting
Speaker 1: on on the Cowboys offensive line. We talk about everything
Speaker 1: that's invested in it, but the guys who are still
Speaker 1: carrying your offensive line were drafted in the twenty eleven
Speaker 1: and the twenty fourteen draft, so a decade ago and
Speaker 1: seven years ago that Zack Martin and Tyron Smith. If
Speaker 1: you have the opportunity in the top ten to pick
Speaker 1: a guy that you love that's going to be a
Speaker 1: part of extending the run of having a really good
Speaker 1: offensive line, then you pick him. If you think Rashawn
Speaker 1: Slater is a better prospect than Patrick Curtain, then you
Speaker 1: pick him. If you think Patrick Curtan is a better
Speaker 1: prospect than Rashawn Slater, then you pick him. You know
Speaker 1: I would just pick Look, you're in the top ten,
Speaker 1: don't screw the pickup. Whichever guy you think is a
Speaker 1: better player, they're going to help your team. They're going
Speaker 1: to get on the field, they're going to play. In
Speaker 1: Curtan's case, it would be as a starter, as a corner.
Speaker 1: In Slater's case, it would be as a starter at
Speaker 1: either left guard or left tackle or wherever. So you know,
Speaker 1: you pick the best player. I get it. You want defense.
Speaker 1: There's also trading, there's free agency, there's six more rounds
Speaker 1: in the draft. You pick the best player. You're in
Speaker 1: the top ten. And I agree with Jeff. Look at
Speaker 1: a couple of things. Tyrant has missed multiple games the
Speaker 1: last few years, and the type of injury he has
Speaker 1: is a little jarring Lyle Collins obviously the type of
Speaker 1: injury he has with a hip. I don't like hip
Speaker 1: injuries on my offensive tackles, right, So that's something to
Speaker 1: keep in mind. I think another thing to keep in
Speaker 1: mind that I liked what Dane did with this scenario
Speaker 1: is there's two good things that happened here. There's one
Speaker 1: at one of two things that happened here. When you're
Speaker 1: picking at ten, and this case, four quarterbacks go before
Speaker 1: pick ten, pushing position players down. The thing that might
Speaker 1: be more alluring, and I know it is to captain
Speaker 1: trade down, would be if maybe that fourth quarterback made
Speaker 1: it to ten. Because man, I was looking at the
Speaker 1: fourteen playoff teams, men four of them might need new quarterbacks. Colts, Steelers,
Speaker 1: maybe Washington, Chicago, I mean, there are teams who are
Speaker 1: picking nineteen and up, and that's without looking at eleven
Speaker 1: to eighteen. There are teams picking nineteen and up who
Speaker 1: might want to get up to ten and start developing
Speaker 1: Trey Lance or if it fields folds or whatever happens there.
Speaker 1: So having that quarterback stay could be beneficial to the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: But overall, I do not disagree. I think the Cowboys
Speaker 1: front office two might have a little bit of I
Speaker 1: don't want to say Connor Williams regret, because it's not
Speaker 1: Connor Williams as a bust, but comparatively to their first
Speaker 1: round hits, that's a pretty recent thing in their head, like, hey,
Speaker 1: the second round or we drafted he's okay, but man,
Speaker 1: what if we knocked out a really good top flight
Speaker 1: officsive Ironman at ten. It's something I think this front
Speaker 1: office might think about. Where do you guys feel about
Speaker 1: about Rashaun Slater and what he brings as a prospect, Dame,
Speaker 1: because I know there's a lot of tackles that are
Speaker 1: kind of in that second round prospect kind of like
Speaker 1: maybe what we saw from Connor Williams, And I don't
Speaker 1: want to bring up Texas just for the fact of
Speaker 1: bringing up Texas. But there is a guy like Samuel
Speaker 1: Kazmi that'll probably be there in the second I mean
Speaker 1: Jalen Mayfield for Michigan, Christian derris Off for Virginia Tech,
Speaker 1: who's a pretty solid tackle that I know we've already
Speaker 1: talked about on this show. There are other tackles, But
Speaker 1: why Slater above all of those guys up at number ten? Well,
Speaker 1: and like I stated earlier, I think that it's just
Speaker 1: easier to find tackles in the first I mean, if
Speaker 1: you're hoping one of those tackles falls in the second,
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe they will, but I mean there's a
Speaker 1: reason they fell that far, you know, and so many
Speaker 1: teams are tackle starved in the league, and so there's
Speaker 1: a reason they're available in the second round, and that
Speaker 1: should give you a little bit of pause. But I
Speaker 1: think when you specifically a Rishawn Slater, I mean when
Speaker 1: you break down his tape and you know he doesn't
Speaker 1: have that elite size, but he's agile, he's stout, he's
Speaker 1: power packed, he doesn't allow rushers to go through him.
Speaker 1: He's very What I love most about Rashaan Slater is
Speaker 1: he is so quick to lock up pass rushers before
Speaker 1: they can do anything, before they can set up their moves,
Speaker 1: so he doesn't stray from his fundamentals. He's smart, technically sound.
Speaker 1: I just everything says that this guy's a future starter. Enough,
Speaker 1: he's gonna get digging throughout the process because his arms
Speaker 1: are going to be about thirty two and three quarters
Speaker 1: and so he's gonna not hit that thirty three inch
Speaker 1: threshold that a lot of teams have. But you know,
Speaker 1: when you watch his film, you can't help but think.
Speaker 1: You know he can overcome that, no problem. And plus
Speaker 1: you get the factor you're going up against Chase Young
Speaker 1: twice a year. We saw Rashaan Slater go up against
Speaker 1: Chase Young last year in Ohio State faced Northwestern and
Speaker 1: turned out Slater was the only tackle that could on
Speaker 1: the college level that could even remotely slow him down.
Speaker 1: So that has to give you a little bit of
Speaker 1: optimism moving forward. I love that pick, but whenever you
Speaker 1: look at the current state of this offensive line and
Speaker 1: you've got a couple tackles out, and of course I
Speaker 1: think long term, you want him to be your left tackle,
Speaker 1: you want him to be your Tyrand Smith replacement. But Katie,
Speaker 1: it would Slater play guard first? Would he be at
Speaker 1: left guard initially? Is it just the versatility that you're
Speaker 1: excited about because he could come in and play immediately
Speaker 1: a guard and then ultimately move out to one of
Speaker 1: the tackle spots whenever you needed him. I just feel
Speaker 1: like that's one of those things that can have a
Speaker 1: better answer for you, and you know in March or April,
Speaker 1: because you know, I just to me, it's flip a
Speaker 1: coin that Tyrd Smith is on this team next year.
Speaker 1: I mean fifty to fifty, whether it's retirement, whether it's
Speaker 1: cap casualty or whatever. I don't necessarily one hundred percent
Speaker 1: think he's here next year. And you know, we'll see
Speaker 1: that that's all gonna play out. I'm gonna find a
Speaker 1: way to get him on the field. He's my number
Speaker 1: ten pick, though he will be starting for me. He's
Speaker 1: not a developmental guy. He's ready to go. You know,
Speaker 1: Dane menchened Chase Young twice a year. How about you
Speaker 1: guys watch the Bills a little bit, see aj epenessa
Speaker 1: flash a little bit. He handled Japanessa at Iowa back
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen as well. I mean, Slater's ready to go. Um,
Speaker 1: I know he didn't play in twenty twenty. That's the
Speaker 1: one question mark you might have is what does he
Speaker 1: look like now? What has he done? And everything you
Speaker 1: hear about him is he's a great dude, um and
Speaker 1: he's in he's in control of his body, all that
Speaker 1: stuff like, he's good to go, Katie. Here here's your assignment.
Speaker 1: Uh Rashawn's working out in Frisco right now, so just
Speaker 1: topping the car. Need you to sneak in, get some footage,
Speaker 1: see what the body's looking like. See how because he
Speaker 1: I talked to his trainer and he's working out a
Speaker 1: guard and center, so getting used to the body movement.
Speaker 1: So I need you to get a little bit of
Speaker 1: footage of that he always doing. That's your assignment, right
Speaker 1: all right? Seeler, Yeah, I mean, if let's go and
Speaker 1: just get it done. Thanks buddy, appreciate you. But Jeff,
Speaker 1: do you feel like that's a realistic expectation is to
Speaker 1: be able to come in and play guard initially and
Speaker 1: do it successfully against the division that at least really
Speaker 1: the strengths of the teams, even though there maybe not
Speaker 1: be very strong teams, the front sevens are pretty stout. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that's why I think his name there makes
Speaker 1: a lot of sense because of everything that Dane is
Speaker 1: talking about. I think Rashawn Slater versus Penney Sewell is
Speaker 1: a great debate at playing tackle. That's how good I
Speaker 1: think his tape is a tackle. Now, the fact that
Speaker 1: people are going to consider him at Garden Center, it's
Speaker 1: just to me, it's just extra because if you're comparing
Speaker 1: his tackle tape to say, Christian dey Saw or Elijah
Speaker 1: Vera Tucker, or pick the names of other guys that
Speaker 1: you like that could be first round picks, Rashawn Slater's
Speaker 1: got better tape. He's the better player, and he's a
Speaker 1: guy that people are going to project to be And
Speaker 1: it's it's almost like a if you can play left tackle,
Speaker 1: you play left tackle. So I think a lot of
Speaker 1: teams are kind of projecting it to like, well, I
Speaker 1: don't know if you can play left tackle, so he
Speaker 1: can do this, and they're gonna feel like, but he's
Speaker 1: going to be an all pro guard or he's gonna
Speaker 1: be an incredible guard. Yeah, but he's a better tackle
Speaker 1: prospect than the other tackles you could take in the
Speaker 1: first round. So that's why it makes sense because I'm
Speaker 1: planning for him to be my left tackle forever, but
Speaker 1: if he has to play guard, I think he's gonna
Speaker 1: be awesome at it. I hope that's the case. I
Speaker 1: hope that's something that the Cowboys could look at moving
Speaker 1: into the draft process, and hopefully we get some insight
Speaker 1: from Katie here after this first commercial break on how
Speaker 1: how Slater's body's working. He looks great, He's in great shape,
Speaker 1: He's doing well good. I know you got in and
Speaker 1: out pretty quick. That was fantastic. Some other notes from
Speaker 1: the mock draft from Dame Rubler, of course, but I
Speaker 1: thought it was interesting. One pick after the Cowboys took Slater,
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts, the tied end from Florida, flies off the
Speaker 1: board and he goes straight to Division rival New York
Speaker 1: as the Giants pick him up, and then San Francisco.
Speaker 1: The pick right after that takes Patrick Sir Tan, the
Speaker 1: cornerback out of Alabama. So two guys that at least
Speaker 1: have been thought about around the Cowboys have flown off
Speaker 1: the board one pick and two picks right afterwards, Dane,
Speaker 1: is that another thing that was kind of interesting is
Speaker 1: you could have gone offense in a couple ways you
Speaker 1: could have gone offensive tackle, but you also still had
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts on the board there. Yeah, and you know
Speaker 1: I definitely considered it there at ten. You know, you
Speaker 1: look at it, Michael Gallup, He's entering a contract year.
Speaker 1: Is it realistic you're going to be able to resign
Speaker 1: him when you've got you know, Amari with his contract
Speaker 1: and you eventually are thinking you're going to resign Ceedee
Speaker 1: Lamb And you know, maybe Kyle Pitts can slide in
Speaker 1: there and you know, really serve as a wide receiver
Speaker 1: for you. You know, Kyle Pitts. I think when you
Speaker 1: when you stack the players in this draft, good luck
Speaker 1: trying to find five players better than him. You know,
Speaker 1: just talent wise, he's that good. Um, It's just more
Speaker 1: about how does he project to your offense? Do you
Speaker 1: have the creativity and the understanding of his strengths to
Speaker 1: implement his skills. Not every offensive coordinator is going to
Speaker 1: be up to that, um, But you know, I think
Speaker 1: he's going to be a terrific weapon. Where he ends
Speaker 1: up the Giants, I think that makes sense. They're missing
Speaker 1: that playmaker. He can be a Plexico Burrs for them.
Speaker 1: He could be that playmaker for them. So I think
Speaker 1: it makes sense, even though Giants fans are a little
Speaker 1: a little gun shy after Evan Ingram has kind of
Speaker 1: been a disappointment after being a first round pick and
Speaker 1: then certain you know, he was the other consideration there
Speaker 1: for the for the Cowboys at ten and I you know,
Speaker 1: he had a good National Championship performance. Uh didn't see
Speaker 1: a lot of targets his way. I thought, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: he there were some open moments Fields just didn't see
Speaker 1: him the receiver that Curtain was covering. I think when
Speaker 1: he runs in the four fives, that's when we're gonna
Speaker 1: hear a lot about Okay, is he fast enough to
Speaker 1: go top ten? And this and that, and that's gonna
Speaker 1: be a topic, a topic that's you know, we're gonna
Speaker 1: talk to death here. But there's there's no more NFL
Speaker 1: ready corner in this draft than Patrick Surtain. I'm interested
Speaker 1: about that, and I know, Ja you kind of knox
Speaker 1: her Tan for that as well, potentially being a slower
Speaker 1: forty right, Yeah, and it not in a it's weird
Speaker 1: because when you start talking about guys that might go
Speaker 1: in the top ten, and you mentioned the things that
Speaker 1: you have concerns about you turn into a guy who
Speaker 1: hates the player. Patrick Surtan's a really really good prospect,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I just I wonder like when they got
Speaker 1: down to the goal line there, and I think it
Speaker 1: was Garrett Wilson, they kind of gave him a little
Speaker 1: hesitation and ran a fade. If Fields sees that throws
Speaker 1: that it's an easy touchdown. And that's just that's my
Speaker 1: one thing about patrick's Urtan is how do you match
Speaker 1: up with guys that are shifty, nuanced rout runners in
Speaker 1: man coverage. I think he's a really good prospect. I
Speaker 1: have questions about that aspect because I just don't know
Speaker 1: how fast and quick he is. He's really really good
Speaker 1: and I'd love to have him on the team, but
Speaker 1: those are my questions. The answer is hiring a new
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator or run a lot of Cover three, because
Speaker 1: I do think he's pretty perfect for that with what
Speaker 1: they're moving too. With a lot of cover three, Dan
Speaker 1: Quinn and Patrick Curtain's gonna be pretty ideal for that.
Speaker 1: Richard Sherman did pretty good with his four to six
Speaker 1: something forty and a Cover three for his career, not
Speaker 1: comparing the two by the way. I don't want anyone
Speaker 1: to freak out or anything, but I think I think
Speaker 1: curtain makes a lot of sense in a cover three
Speaker 1: type situation. Katy's looking ahead on the rundown a little bit.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about that coming up here in this
Speaker 1: next segment. No, it was good, No, it was good.
Speaker 1: It was a perfect analysis there, Katie. Final highlight that
Speaker 1: I thought I had from the from the mock draft.
Speaker 1: But Christian Barmore the first defensive tackle off the board.
Speaker 1: He goes off the board at twenty five, and I
Speaker 1: mean he's I think a fantastic player. He showed out
Speaker 1: again in the National Championship game and he just looks
Speaker 1: like a game changer. Dane. But Dane, was there a
Speaker 1: pick maybe after the Cowboys? That was your favorite fit
Speaker 1: of the draft? I don't want to really talk top ten.
Speaker 1: I'm talking pretty much at anything after that. But was
Speaker 1: there anything that stuck out to you as this is
Speaker 1: the perfect fit, because I thought Barmore was pretty perfect there.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think that that certainly fits. I mean
Speaker 1: there were a couple of Christian Derris out to the Chargers.
Speaker 1: I mean they need to protect Justin Herbert. I thought
Speaker 1: that was a great fit. Jalen Waddle to the Patriots.
Speaker 1: We don't know what's going on at quarterback there, but
Speaker 1: we know they need playmakers, and Jalen Waddle is certainly
Speaker 1: a playmaker. You know, I thought there were definitely a
Speaker 1: few h you mentioned Barmore. Barmore's interesting because he's only
Speaker 1: a Richard sophomore. He hasn't officially declared yets with weight
Speaker 1: on that official decision, but you know, you could tell
Speaker 1: the second half of the year he's just getting better
Speaker 1: and better and better. There's so much potential, there's so
Speaker 1: much ability that by the time the draft gets here,
Speaker 1: we might be talking about Barmore as a possibility at
Speaker 1: number ten because he's just so talented of a player
Speaker 1: and so a Barnmore's definitely a name to keep an
Speaker 1: eye on. There's two really unfair ones that Dane had
Speaker 1: on there. Chris Elave going to the Saints, another Ohio
Speaker 1: State guy crossed from Michael Thomas, and man Cadarius Tony
Speaker 1: from Florida the lade receiver to the Chiefs. Come on, man,
Speaker 1: can the league have a chance? Give us a chance?
Speaker 1: I also like Naja Harris to the Bucks. I mean
Speaker 1: Bruce arians he is desperate, desperately wanting that pass catching back.
Speaker 1: Leonard Fournett's kind of filling that role this year, but
Speaker 1: you know, good chance he's not back next year. Naja
Speaker 1: Harris plug him in right there. This is a win
Speaker 1: now team. You know that window is closing at a
Speaker 1: player like Naja Harris in the first round, and just
Speaker 1: I think that'd be just another boost to that offense.
Speaker 1: I also like green Bay picking up Davian Nixon, the
Speaker 1: defensive tackle out of Iowa at thirty one. I think
Speaker 1: him being an interior presence for that green Bay defense
Speaker 1: would be something really exciting to see. Now, all of
Speaker 1: the playoffs shifting and kind of the way that things
Speaker 1: are going to work out from the playoffs will change
Speaker 1: these picks around. But I like what you you had
Speaker 1: going there day whenever it comes to some of these
Speaker 1: late round guys. Even Joseph A said, the edge rusher
Speaker 1: out of Texas going to Baltimore, that's scary too, I think,
Speaker 1: and seeing him with the Ravens would be something very entertaining. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's step aside. When we come back twitter on the twenty,
Speaker 1: are the Cowboys looking at a specific type of defender?
Speaker 1: Now with Dan Quinn in the mix, and what does
Speaker 1: that defender look like when we return here on the
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Speaker 1: Is the Dallas Cowboys dot com Draft Show back here
Speaker 1: with the second segment of the Dallas Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 1: Draft Show, one hundred and four days until the NFL
Speaker 1: Draft on April twenty nine, twenty twenty one, in Cleveland,
Speaker 1: and it's time now for some twitter on the twenty
Speaker 1: on the twenty of course, Chris Beam always doing great
Speaker 1: work back there at the Star in Frisco. We're gonna
Speaker 1: start things off with you, Jeff. I want Jeff Cavanaugh
Speaker 1: to take the stage here with this early question, and
Speaker 1: this comes from Shane. Shane says, what are the type
Speaker 1: of defenders that dan Quinn, new defensive coordinator for the
Speaker 1: Cowboys might be looking at in this up coming drafts?
Speaker 1: Specifically at linebacker in the cornerback spot after all the
Speaker 1: first rounders are gone. But I kind of want to
Speaker 1: throw the first round in there too, because we talked
Speaker 1: about a little bit of Patrick's or Tan a little
Speaker 1: bit ago with Kat. But what kind of specific players
Speaker 1: are we're looking to throw into that cover three scheme
Speaker 1: with dan Quinn? Well, I think you just you mentioned it.
Speaker 1: If you're picturing the dan Quinn Seattle, then you're talking
Speaker 1: about four down linemen, you're talking about a lot of
Speaker 1: Cover three. You're talking about a free safety who can
Speaker 1: cover a ton of ground and fix mistakes there on
Speaker 1: the back end. But I don't think that's very much
Speaker 1: different than what they would have been looking for anyway.
Speaker 1: Like the entire league is looking for a free safety
Speaker 1: that can get sideline to sideline and cover ground. The
Speaker 1: entire league is looking for corners that are long and
Speaker 1: can run and can play the ball. So I actually
Speaker 1: don't think I mean, I guess it's technically different than
Speaker 1: if it were Mike Nolan, and you might have been
Speaker 1: looking for something a little bit different, But I don't
Speaker 1: think it's all that different than what you might have
Speaker 1: been looking for if say Rod Marinelli and Chris Richard
Speaker 1: were still here. You'd love to find a free safety.
Speaker 1: You'd love to find a corner that's tall, long, fast,
Speaker 1: and can play the ball in the air. Linebacker, I
Speaker 1: think your two might be on the roster. But defensive line,
Speaker 1: you're probably looking for guys that are capable of playing
Speaker 1: the run on the way to rushing the passer as
Speaker 1: opposed to just shooting gaps. But that's just top of
Speaker 1: my head what I think that That's what I think
Speaker 1: of when I think of Dan Quinn defenses. Is those
Speaker 1: things Katy, Well, yeah, And I think it was very
Speaker 1: interesting And I didn't know this to find out that
Speaker 1: dan Quinn had quite a bit more say in Atlanta
Speaker 1: from a personnel standpoint than just going and being the
Speaker 1: head coach. That was kind of enlightening because I didn't know.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that that if I had the hiden
Speaker 1: more safe. You take a look back at his draft history,
Speaker 1: this might make Jeff excited some Cowboys fans excited just
Speaker 1: a few things that he's done. I think back to
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, in the third round, he took Deetrons, not
Speaker 1: a big defensive tackles. That tells you the third round
Speaker 1: he's not He wasn't scared to spend a premium pick.
Speaker 1: And I know it's not just him making the calls, right,
Speaker 1: but he had a big say in personnel in Atlanta.
Speaker 1: So the investment in a one technique defensive tackle might
Speaker 1: be something He did. Try to take a lot of,
Speaker 1: you know, long cornerbacks Isaiah Oliver in twenty eighteen, you
Speaker 1: know Jalen Collins back in his first year in twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: and that was the year that they drafted both Vic
Speaker 1: Beasley and Grady Jarrett, who's all pro of course, but
Speaker 1: like they spent a lot of resources on defense in
Speaker 1: his time there in Atlanta, and just for some reason,
Speaker 1: you just weren't able to get that defense to be,
Speaker 1: you know, one of the upper tier defenses in the league.
Speaker 1: And that's a little frustrating and maybe a little concerning,
Speaker 1: would you look at it. But you know, players make
Speaker 1: this happen, not coaches, and that's the most important thing
Speaker 1: to think about, is like the players just gotta be good.
Speaker 1: I really, I really feel better about Donovan Wilson's role
Speaker 1: here now if your plan is to do a lot
Speaker 1: of Cover three, and again we don't know, Dan quib
Speaker 1: maybe making some sneaky adjustments, but if you're gonna play
Speaker 1: a lot of cover three, getting a lot of safety
Speaker 1: up near the line of scrimmage, I feel much better
Speaker 1: about Donovan Wilson's prospects as a starter on this team
Speaker 1: moving forward. Dan, Yeah, you know, I think that's something
Speaker 1: that we've learned, you know, the last five seven years,
Speaker 1: is the Cowboys front office, how willing they've been to draft,
Speaker 1: specifically for the attitude of the coaches and what exactly
Speaker 1: they're looking for. Whether you know, and that doll hasn't
Speaker 1: always worked out, you know, talking about you know a
Speaker 1: Taco Charlton or the defensi Tago from UCF who has
Speaker 1: been so irrelevant already forgot his name, Crystal Hills, Yes,
Speaker 1: Triston Hill. Uh you know obviously they that hasn't worked out,
Speaker 1: but the Cowboys front office has been very willing to, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, address the needs that best fit the scheme
Speaker 1: and what the coaches want. And I think when you
Speaker 1: look at this class, uh linebacker, there's some really intriguing
Speaker 1: mid round, you know, linebackers I think fit what coach
Speaker 1: Quinn wants to do. Um. One guy just down the
Speaker 1: road at TCU, Garrett Wallow, number thirty. Uh. You know
Speaker 1: you turn on the TCU tape to watch the safeties,
Speaker 1: but there's number thirty just running around like his head
Speaker 1: cut off, just hitting dudes. Very very active player it Uh.
Speaker 1: You know there's sometimes that leads over pursuit and being
Speaker 1: too aggressive, but you love that active play style. Tony
Speaker 1: Fields at West Virginia is another one who a little undersized,
Speaker 1: but he can run and that you're looking for that speed.
Speaker 1: So um, you know I've done you know, I've talked
Speaker 1: with coach Quinn before, and I've really enjoyed our talks
Speaker 1: because he he's a coach that gets it um, He's
Speaker 1: a he's a thinking type of coach. You know. One
Speaker 1: thing that really stood out to me, you know, when
Speaker 1: I talked to him before, has been his understanding of
Speaker 1: what wins on offense and you know, trying to limit
Speaker 1: that and the biggest thing or explosive plays. He understands
Speaker 1: that how to try what you have to do to
Speaker 1: try to stop those explosive plays, and that's what you
Speaker 1: have to do to win on defense in today's NFL.
Speaker 1: So I think it's a great hire and I'm looking
Speaker 1: forward to seeing how that will manifest itself on the draft.
Speaker 1: That's something you have to do successfully as a defensive
Speaker 1: coordinator is understand the offensive game and how it's evolved.
Speaker 1: And I think that might be one of the big
Speaker 1: knocks against Dan Quinn during his time in Atlanta was
Speaker 1: the fact that, hey, he came from a defensive scheme
Speaker 1: and then hey, he figured out how to play a
Speaker 1: little bit of offense with Matt Ryan and company as
Speaker 1: a head coach, and then he tried to take the
Speaker 1: defense back over. It didn't have any success. That's one
Speaker 1: of my big worries is how can he find a
Speaker 1: way to get back to that Seattle form of thinking
Speaker 1: and that Seattle's success of adjusting with the modern off
Speaker 1: fence and adjusting with these mobile quarterbacks that he's gonna
Speaker 1: have to deal with more so now than he had
Speaker 1: maybe back in twenty twelve and twenty thirteen. So that's
Speaker 1: something that I think we'll have to look for and
Speaker 1: maybe go into the personnel that he ends up selecting
Speaker 1: whenever he does get his first shot at it. Okay,
Speaker 1: So the second question comes from Randall. He says, what
Speaker 1: would be one scenario in the first round that would
Speaker 1: elicit a pin throw moment? Katie? Where would you just
Speaker 1: chuck that pin? If blank ended up happening in April?
Speaker 1: I think I know the player that Jeff is gonna say.
Speaker 1: I could be wrong, So I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go away from that here. If for me, it
Speaker 1: would be if they just did something out of this
Speaker 1: world and did like maybe they reached for Dressau or
Speaker 1: maybe they reached for Vera Tucker from you USC or
Speaker 1: something like that. I'm saying again, I'm saving this for
Speaker 1: Jeff because I'm gonna give him the player that I
Speaker 1: think he's going to mention. But that would be the
Speaker 1: pin throw moment I think for me is if they
Speaker 1: reached for someone who was maybe the third, fourth, fifth
Speaker 1: player at their position in the draft. When you're picking
Speaker 1: at ten and it's right there in front of you,
Speaker 1: time to do anything crazy, take the good player. That
Speaker 1: would a taco like situation, if you will. That would
Speaker 1: be the pin throw moment for me. I'll say this
Speaker 1: at ten, it's really hard to screw it up. Oh
Speaker 1: you could screw it up. If you picked Gregory Rousseau.
Speaker 1: I would say, Miami defensive end. He can't play. He's
Speaker 1: not good. He had eighteen sacks and he's not good.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's my guy. That's my guy. Dane's gonna
Speaker 1: mock him in the top half of the first round,
Speaker 1: so is everybody else. Everybody's gonna tell me he's so
Speaker 1: long and he's so athletic, and you're gonna watch him
Speaker 1: on tape just light up in the middle and run
Speaker 1: around to guard and guards in the NFL aren't gonna
Speaker 1: let you do that. And he doesn't win from the outside.
Speaker 1: And I don't know how athletic he is. He's just
Speaker 1: a tall dude that accidentally got a bunch of sacks
Speaker 1: you don't want. Gregory Rousseau and the first room. I
Speaker 1: like him a little bit more than that, but I mean,
Speaker 1: I do agree with you. He's, you know, being a
Speaker 1: little bit overrated as a top half, a round one
Speaker 1: type of guy. When you look at it, there's probably
Speaker 1: only you know, one position that would be drafted ahead
Speaker 1: of the Cowboys that you know that would you know
Speaker 1: they're not going to take, and that's wide receiver. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna draft the quarterback, but even
Speaker 1: a quarterback you would like to see there at number
Speaker 1: ten for those trade possibilities like Katie mentioned. So you know,
Speaker 1: if you see three wide receivers go off the board
Speaker 1: in the first nine picks, that's that, you know, that's
Speaker 1: the fake pen throw because you know you feel good
Speaker 1: that you're not taking receiver there. Every other position could
Speaker 1: be on the board for them. Gregory Rosso six foot five,
Speaker 1: two hundred and sixty pounds and Dan you had him
Speaker 1: mock to fourteenth to Minnesota, So just four picks behind
Speaker 1: the Cowboys to Minnesota in your mock draft. The other day,
Speaker 1: do you, And you said he's a little bit overrated
Speaker 1: for maybe a top half of the draft. But whenever
Speaker 1: you look at a guy like Rousseau, and I know
Speaker 1: we'll probably talk about him on multiple occasions, especially after
Speaker 1: he probably goes and lights up the combine, But is
Speaker 1: it more so just the prospect and the potential of
Speaker 1: that frame and that athleticism rather than maybe the tape
Speaker 1: that he already put out in college even though there
Speaker 1: was production. Yeah, And here's the thing is when you
Speaker 1: factor in his journey. He was a wide receiver in
Speaker 1: high school and he moved to defensive end as a senior.
Speaker 1: As a Richard freshman, had all this production and then
Speaker 1: it didn't play this past year as a Richard sophomore.
Speaker 1: So you think his ceiling is going to be so
Speaker 1: much more And that's really where it's going to get
Speaker 1: interesting with the projection of a guy like Gregory Rousso.
Speaker 1: So it's it's definitely some risk, involved, a lot of risk.
Speaker 1: I understand why someone are going to be intrigued, But
Speaker 1: the top half of round one, that's that's pretty rich
Speaker 1: to take a player like that. In my opinion, it's
Speaker 1: it's a little different because this player did not line
Speaker 1: up inside like Gregory roussetted, but kind of measurable wise,
Speaker 1: a little Leonard Floyd who went seventh a few years ago,
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys actually did have interest in a guy
Speaker 1: who struggled early in the league and has kind of
Speaker 1: put it together as he's become a veteran. That's the
Speaker 1: whole thing, as a guy who had a year off
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, Like, how do I know that he's
Speaker 1: gonna play lower, playing more consistently with his hands, uh,
Speaker 1: and not just win based on his physical traits? How
Speaker 1: do I know that that's difficult? That's you. You're a
Speaker 1: roll in the dice. If you're taking him at ten,
Speaker 1: that is just kind of out of this world, rolling
Speaker 1: the dice. But there will be guys who are in
Speaker 1: love with him. There will be teams who are in
Speaker 1: love with him. Leonard Floyd could turn the corner. He
Speaker 1: was a good as Yeah, yeah, yeah. Rousseau can't do that.
Speaker 1: Rousseau is a linear, weird player. That's just tall and long,
Speaker 1: that's all he is. No, you're right, and I just
Speaker 1: about to think comparison from a measurable standpoint, thin tall,
Speaker 1: you know, around the same way and I think Floyd
Speaker 1: was a little bit about ten to fifteen pounds lighter
Speaker 1: than Rousseau. But like just where they were taken though,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. The Cowboys like Leonard Floyd. If you're to
Speaker 1: believe that Peter King article that came out where Peter
Speaker 1: King was in the war room that night in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: if you'll remember, the biggest thing that I think you
Speaker 1: worry about with a guy like Rousseau is there's some
Speaker 1: there's some similarities with him and Taco in terms of
Speaker 1: what Jeff is saying about being long and linear and
Speaker 1: not fully understanding how to use his skill set. And
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of that. Now Rousseau is a
Speaker 1: little freakier and his ceilings a little higher. But that
Speaker 1: that's where the little bit of worry starts to creep in.
Speaker 1: Dane just buried Rousseau in the minds of every Cowboys
Speaker 1: fan that has ever listened to the Draft show. Because
Speaker 1: of comparing anybody compared to Taco, Charleton's ultimately going to
Speaker 1: end up writing them off and taking them off the
Speaker 1: draft board. Okay, final question before we move on. Our
Speaker 1: friend Bertie on Twitter says, how do these potential first
Speaker 1: round corners compared to the previous years first round corners
Speaker 1: in terms of their early grades. Now, of course, none
Speaker 1: of the grades are complete right now at this point
Speaker 1: in the draft process, but Dame, when you look at
Speaker 1: kind of this year compared to past years, where do
Speaker 1: you have these corners slotted in with guys like Patrick
Speaker 1: Curtan and of course okay, with Farley and some of
Speaker 1: those top prospects. And it's so tough to do this
Speaker 1: because it's hard to eliminate what we know about these
Speaker 1: corners at the NFL level. You know, it's hard to
Speaker 1: eliminate the year that Okuda had and CJ. Henderson and
Speaker 1: AJ Terrell and all these guys. I think Farley and
Speaker 1: Certan would probably be if they were in last year's draft,
Speaker 1: fighting with CJ. Henderson to be cornerback two behind Okuda,
Speaker 1: So right there in that top ten conversation. You know,
Speaker 1: I think they're better prospects than you know, AJ Terrell
Speaker 1: Um and some of the corners that were drafted after that.
Speaker 1: So you know, it's it could be tough to do
Speaker 1: this type of exercise, but I do think that they'd
Speaker 1: be still in that top ten conversation fighting out to
Speaker 1: be the second corner drafted. Does that intrigue you, Katy? Uh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I again, Dave said, it's very difficult and
Speaker 1: for me, Um, maybe I'm losing my mind already. Some
Speaker 1: of the years run together. I just pulled up my
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen draft board and it was really Latimore and
Speaker 1: everyone else and Tredevious Whites turned out to be the
Speaker 1: best cornerback of that group right there. I had it
Speaker 1: first run grade on him. Um, but I can't tell
Speaker 1: you that I think I'd have a higher grade on
Speaker 1: based on my films study, a higher grade on Farley
Speaker 1: in certain than I did on Tredevious White. Um. But
Speaker 1: I'm also a guy who liked tease Tabors so kill me,
Speaker 1: you know. So wow, Yeah, that's a lot. That's a
Speaker 1: little harsh. Yeah, I agree. I think if I don't
Speaker 1: even have all the names in front of me right now,
Speaker 1: but if you go back like when Denzel Ward was
Speaker 1: coming out, or Marshaun Lattimore or Jalen Ramsey last year,
Speaker 1: Jeff Okuda, all of those guys I would have ahead
Speaker 1: of where you have Sir Tan and Farley, and yeah,
Speaker 1: those guys would be it would be okay. C J.
Speaker 1: Henderson versus sur tan and they would be very different,
Speaker 1: and it would be very close, and I might have
Speaker 1: Henderson ahead. But yeah, that's you know what. Each year,
Speaker 1: I think there's been a guy that I would think
Speaker 1: is a close to elite corner prospect, and I wouldn't
Speaker 1: have Sir Tanner Farley ahead of any of those guys.
Speaker 1: I think you can make some pretty close comparisons between
Speaker 1: Farley and CJ. Henderson. I think they you know, good
Speaker 1: sized athletes, you know good speed. They're discipline is something
Speaker 1: that needs to be improved, but I think they're pretty
Speaker 1: similar players. Yeah, I don't see either one of these
Speaker 1: guys classified, like Jeff said, as an elite corner from
Speaker 1: back prospect. They're both really really good and they deserve
Speaker 1: to be in the top fifteen conversation. But I think overall,
Speaker 1: when you look at kind of the film study between
Speaker 1: guys like a Denzel Award in the past or a
Speaker 1: Jeff o'cuda last year, I know those are both Ohio
Speaker 1: State guys, but still it's not necessarily that same level.
Speaker 1: Even a Lattimore back in the past. Those guys that
Speaker 1: continue to be elite prospects after coming out of school.
Speaker 1: I don't see Farley Orcertan up to that level. But CJ. Henderson,
Speaker 1: I like what you kind of through out there, Dane,
Speaker 1: whenever it comes to those two guys, at least whenever
Speaker 1: it comes to Farley as the comparison there. But that's
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Speaker 1: when we come back, we're gonna hit the second round
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Speaker 1: Com Draft Show final segment here at the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: dot Com Draft Show Thursday edition with the great Jeff Cavanaugh,
Speaker 1: Dame Brugler, Kevin KT Turner, and myself Kyle Yeoman's and
Speaker 1: glad you've been with us. Thanks again to all of
Speaker 1: those who sent in there and Twitter on the twenty questions,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna go into the second round mock draft
Speaker 1: here from Dame Brugler in the Athletic and kind of
Speaker 1: talk about what he had for the Cowboys at forty four. Now,
Speaker 1: there was a bit of a run of edge rushers
Speaker 1: right before the Cowboys selecting at forty four, So three
Speaker 1: from three edge rushers taken from forty through forty three
Speaker 1: right before that Dallas pick, and Dallas ends up taking
Speaker 1: TCU free safety Trayvon Moig, a guy who I know, Jeff,
Speaker 1: you're very high on, but you're not even as high
Speaker 1: on him as maybe even his teammate and Darius Washington.
Speaker 1: But overall, what did you think about the pick? Mister
Speaker 1: Kavanaugh and kind of where the Cowboys went here in
Speaker 1: the second round, the highest they would have picked the
Speaker 1: safety since two thousand and two. That works for me,
Speaker 1: I think marig is. I think he's a he's a
Speaker 1: really good prospect. I think he's one of the top
Speaker 1: two safeties in this draft. He alluded to it. I
Speaker 1: actually prefer his five foot eight teammate. I think I
Speaker 1: think our Darius Washington's only weaknesses that he's five foot eight,
Speaker 1: and I think he's got I think he's a quicker reactor.
Speaker 1: I think he's got better instincts. I think he's a
Speaker 1: better man and zone coverage guy than his own teammate.
Speaker 1: But there's something good about being six one six two
Speaker 1: over two hundred pounds and being a good safety prospect.
Speaker 1: Then I'll probably get him picked before Washington. But yeah,
Speaker 1: you nailed it. I like our Darius Washington. He's my guy.
Speaker 1: I like my tiny guy. Dane did The fact that
Speaker 1: there was a bit of an edge rusher run right
Speaker 1: at the top of the forties kind of deter you
Speaker 1: away from the Cowboys maybe making a pick like an
Speaker 1: ad rusher there. Well, you know, I think the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: obviously if they especially they go offensive line in the
Speaker 1: first round. Um, you know, I think it's fair to
Speaker 1: say they're going defense in the second round and edge rusher,
Speaker 1: defensive tackle, linebacker, corner, safety. I mean, they could go
Speaker 1: any of those positions, right, So it really opens it
Speaker 1: up to going with the best player available there on defense.
Speaker 1: And when you look at it, I thought I'd be
Speaker 1: going corner just because that looks like it could be
Speaker 1: a need area, especially for a starter. But with no
Speaker 1: safety's drafted up to that point, and you know, Xavier Woods.
Speaker 1: You know, we all love the pick with the value
Speaker 1: that we got with Woods, but safe to say I
Speaker 1: don't think he's the future of that position for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: You know, a chance to go get the top free
Speaker 1: safety in the draft, that's certainly appealing with Morick and
Speaker 1: you know, you you alluded to. I was kind of
Speaker 1: surprised this would be the highest that they draft since
Speaker 1: Roy Williams that draft a position. So you have to
Speaker 1: wonder how much of a philosophy is it. We know
Speaker 1: this team does not believe in drafting nose tackle was early,
Speaker 1: which I agree with. I get. Do they have a
Speaker 1: you know, a tendency to look at safety the same way,
Speaker 1: you know, just their drafting history would say maybe, And
Speaker 1: so you know, would they consider a safety at this
Speaker 1: point he even knew Byron Jones he was a first rounder,
Speaker 1: played plenty of safety, even though I think they draft
Speaker 1: him to be a corner. So you know, we have
Speaker 1: to look at it, and they have plenty of opportunities
Speaker 1: for a corner, for a safety. Here ed Rusher that
Speaker 1: you mentioned, there was a little bit of a run
Speaker 1: on the first few picks ahead of it. Maybe that's
Speaker 1: a direction they go. So if they go offensive line,
Speaker 1: they've got a lot of different avenues they could explore
Speaker 1: in that second round. The swear it gets fun is
Speaker 1: because Dane did it on a mock draft. You can
Speaker 1: now question everything Dane did and just like we do
Speaker 1: after real drafts and even looking at drafts from the history,
Speaker 1: do you go, who could they have gotten after that?
Speaker 1: Should they have done this? And about two picks later
Speaker 1: and Dane's mock draft at pick forty six, he's got
Speaker 1: in New England taking Levi on Woosery, the DT from Washington,
Speaker 1: who I would have you know, if we're just ranking,
Speaker 1: I'm here, I would have him graded higher than moreg
Speaker 1: And I don't dislike moreg I don't have a safety
Speaker 1: graded in the top two rounds yet this year, still working,
Speaker 1: you know, and hoping that someone does pop up there,
Speaker 1: but this year a little different. So for me, I'm
Speaker 1: fine it to pick there though. I like what Dan did.
Speaker 1: I like the idea of the team actually taking the
Speaker 1: position seriously, but it picked forty four. Just looking at
Speaker 1: who went afterwards in this scenario and Dan's mock draft,
Speaker 1: I would be going in another direction. I think this
Speaker 1: team has to address defensive tackle. I think they I
Speaker 1: think it's a big leap of faith to go Antoine Woods,
Speaker 1: Tristan Hill, and the Bill Gallimore justin Hamilton. You're my guys,
Speaker 1: go get it, you know, and they'll try to do
Speaker 1: some things in freehency and all that stuff. But that's
Speaker 1: kind of the direction i'd be looking in this scenario.
Speaker 1: And you know, just because we're talking about this thing's
Speaker 1: on the draft show, I wanted to pick a different
Speaker 1: player too. No, I feel that, and I'm right there
Speaker 1: with you. I love what Dane's thinking here with the combination,
Speaker 1: especially if you go offense in the first round with
Speaker 1: an offensive tackle. I love the pairing of bow Rig
Speaker 1: playing that free safety and allowing Donovan Wilson to play
Speaker 1: the strong and kind of a bruiser role in dan
Speaker 1: Quinn's defense. I would love that and I think it'd
Speaker 1: be a great pairing between the two. Now, the one
Speaker 1: question I did have, Dane is the fact that there
Speaker 1: were no corners. Like you said, you could have gone
Speaker 1: corner there, but that's still a position that has not
Speaker 1: been addressed in the first two rounds. I know Farley
Speaker 1: Sertans off the board. JC Horn from South Carolina is
Speaker 1: not there anymore. I know Tyson Campbell from Georgia was
Speaker 1: off the board, and so was a Sante Samuel Jr.
Speaker 1: From Florida State. But why did you go with safety
Speaker 1: rather than corner in the secondary. Was it just the
Speaker 1: fact of a better prospect there or is there just
Speaker 1: not as much safety or excuse me, corner depth that
Speaker 1: would have intrigue the Cowboys to maybe spend the top
Speaker 1: two round pick on. No. I mean, I think there's
Speaker 1: enough corners. I think I had nine total corners going
Speaker 1: in the first two rounds, which is a lot. I
Speaker 1: think there will be corners there that they'll consider. One
Speaker 1: name to keep an eye on that I think could
Speaker 1: be in the mix for the Cowboys based off of
Speaker 1: what they do. Uh. He FATU melifon Wu. Uh, Katy,
Speaker 1: I know you've looked at him out of Syracuse, Jeff,
Speaker 1: not sure if you have yet. Uh, just a you know,
Speaker 1: we know about his older brother, Obie when he blew
Speaker 1: up to combine at a Yukon a couple of years
Speaker 1: years ago. He's still floating around the league. U melifon Wu,
Speaker 1: He's He's a big framed corner who is twitchy. Uh,
Speaker 1: He's fluid, He's got length, he's got speed. I think
Speaker 1: he's more reactive than instinctive. But when you have those traits, uh,
Speaker 1: you know you can He's got that loose muscle twitch,
Speaker 1: he can accelerate on command. Um. You know, the instinctive
Speaker 1: part of the game is still catching up in terms
Speaker 1: of his route recognition, finding the football, those types of things.
Speaker 1: But there's a lot to work with with melifon Wu.
Speaker 1: And I think that he could in play there with
Speaker 1: the Cowboys second pick there. And I think keep in
Speaker 1: mind that the Cowboys met with his brother when he
Speaker 1: was a free agent after he had been released, and
Speaker 1: maybe they met with him in the draft as well
Speaker 1: if he was one of the visits going back. I
Speaker 1: don't know how much time they spoi with him, but
Speaker 1: when he was a free agent looking for a job,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys brought him in for a visit, and I
Speaker 1: remember the feedback that I had heard, and it was
Speaker 1: kind of whispers that were getting around and media circles.
Speaker 1: Was kind of like, yeah, it just feels like his brother,
Speaker 1: ob he just doesn't care about football as much as
Speaker 1: you know, we'd like, so you might have to you know,
Speaker 1: there might be some questions that you asked about about
Speaker 1: that with this kid. But I hate saying that i'mbout
Speaker 1: a kid I don't even know, right, but that was
Speaker 1: a thing with his brother, and I think that's that's
Speaker 1: important to know. There are times when you watch the
Speaker 1: Syracuse tape, I like it when when the actions on
Speaker 1: I like it. There are times when run played at
Speaker 1: the opposite side of the field, and you know when
Speaker 1: the white receiver to spread offense just kind of takes
Speaker 1: the playoff where he's kind of with the wide receiver
Speaker 1: there and he's kind of taking the playoff too. But
Speaker 1: it's not like concerning. It's just like, Okay, there's a
Speaker 1: run play to the complete other side of the field.
Speaker 1: And he's just kind of melded in a few times.
Speaker 1: Just notice that a couple times nothing to nothing to
Speaker 1: go freak out about. But man, you start putting one
Speaker 1: and two together with oh, I heard some things about
Speaker 1: us brother and it's like, well, no, he's a different
Speaker 1: human than his brothers, so don't okay, But I still
Speaker 1: have to think about the things, and those are stuff
Speaker 1: that scouts are gonna do. You know, they're gonna ask
Speaker 1: those questions. So I think that that's sometime I'm going
Speaker 1: to be watching for with Melipon was how he interviews
Speaker 1: with teams and things like that. But his tape is good, man,
Speaker 1: his tape's great. Katie. That's one of the things I
Speaker 1: love about you in your draft process. And Dan, you
Speaker 1: do this quite a bit as well, of course, and
Speaker 1: all of your work, but you look really into the person.
Speaker 1: And I know last year we had a couple of
Speaker 1: guys like that where you were saying, oh, off the
Speaker 1: field issues and maybe there's a character or maybe even
Speaker 1: a drive sort of deal. And I think that's very
Speaker 1: important because that's exactly what teams are looking at, that's
Speaker 1: what front offices are searching after. And you kind of
Speaker 1: get the background on it now, Jeff, whenever it comes
Speaker 1: to the Cowboys not taking a linebacker, defensive tackle, or
Speaker 1: corner in the first two rounds instead going with the safety,
Speaker 1: going with an offensive tackle, I know there are a
Speaker 1: lot of holes, but those are three really really big
Speaker 1: holes on that defense that aren't addressed. How much does
Speaker 1: that worry you? I think the best teams know that
Speaker 1: there are multiple avenues to improving your team. So like
Speaker 1: in this scenario in Dan's mock, if you ever shown
Speaker 1: Slater is the best player available at number ten, you
Speaker 1: pick him. If you get to the second round and
Speaker 1: your best player available is Travon Morrig, then you pick
Speaker 1: him because that's also a position to need for this team,
Speaker 1: and then you just have to figure it out. I
Speaker 1: mean that's and they'll do this in free agency before
Speaker 1: the draft. They will sign a corner, they will probably
Speaker 1: sign a safety, they will sign a d tackle. They'll
Speaker 1: be capable of playing football without the draft, and then
Speaker 1: hopefully you can pick your best players and you can
Speaker 1: make it work. I mean, it's it's just look, this team,
Speaker 1: no matter what they go in the first two rounds,
Speaker 1: if you don't talk about what they're gonna do in
Speaker 1: free agency or what they're gonna do after or trades.
Speaker 1: They can't fix this defense. This defense needs at least
Speaker 1: one corner, at least one safety, at least one d tackle.
Speaker 1: I'd think about a linebacker, and you probably need to
Speaker 1: double dip at one or two of those spots. So
Speaker 1: it doesn't even matter which routes they go. You cannot
Speaker 1: fix or make a great defense out of this roster
Speaker 1: in one draft. Can't do it. Yeah, Casey, No, No,
Speaker 1: Jeff Schreiden, It's like it's just not gonna happen. We
Speaker 1: all want them to go all defense or a lot
Speaker 1: of account offense. I think want them to go all
Speaker 1: defense in Carolina. And it's also we always forget about
Speaker 1: like not forget about it, but like we're do the
Speaker 1: draft shows, so we're talking about the draft, but this
Speaker 1: team doesn't. Free agency is going to be important to
Speaker 1: their plan. They can't strike out in free agency like
Speaker 1: they did last year. They just hand happen. I know.
Speaker 1: So that's freak bad luck with Gerald McCoy. They just
Speaker 1: can't happen. And then I think that's something that well,
Speaker 1: I'll have our eyes on because hey, it's it's our job.
Speaker 1: We're following the team here day. Yeah, and I think
Speaker 1: there's only so much you can do through the draft.
Speaker 1: You know, they have a few extra picks on day
Speaker 1: or you know, after the first two rounds, so you know,
Speaker 1: you can address some of those and it will be
Speaker 1: interesting what they do in free agency that will shape
Speaker 1: what they do in the draft. It'll be also interesting
Speaker 1: to see how their board shapes up. So if they
Speaker 1: feel like they can get a linebacker later on, then
Speaker 1: that's going to shape how they look at linebacker in
Speaker 1: the first two rounds. If you can get into Garrett
Speaker 1: Wallow in the fourth round and they feel really good
Speaker 1: about that, then maybe that you know, they don't really
Speaker 1: strongly consider a linebacker in the first two rounds, but
Speaker 1: maybe they don't find that linebacker. And Zaven Collins is
Speaker 1: you know, a guy that I've brought up before as
Speaker 1: a guy I know they really like. So it's and
Speaker 1: you know, I think with Zaven Collins, he and we
Speaker 1: talk about that Seattle defense. Okay, plug him in. He's
Speaker 1: your kJ Wright and you feel good about that. So
Speaker 1: they're just so many different directions they can go. And
Speaker 1: I mean to the other points mentioned, free agency will
Speaker 1: certainly shape the Hey, I'm glad you mentioned kJ right,
Speaker 1: kJ Wright, also Bruce Irvin and also Richard Sherman, all
Speaker 1: free agents. Just telling that out there, just damn you
Speaker 1: want to make it the legion of Boom two point
Speaker 1: zero down here in Dallas. Just kind of lone star
Speaker 1: legion of Boom. Oh. I like that. I like that.
Speaker 1: That sounds pretty legion of boomers because they're old. Oh
Speaker 1: that's good. That's even more so. I like that the
Speaker 1: legions Boomers coming to Arlington. This is fantastic. If you're
Speaker 1: thirty five and still clinging on to an NFL career,
Speaker 1: come on down to Dallas. Come on, Gerald McCoy, come on, everybody,
Speaker 1: let's get a part of it. Forget the draft. Let's
Speaker 1: just sign everybody in free agency. All right, that'll do
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