1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody, Welcome to Move the Sticks, presented by 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 1: Zaxby's DJ. Bucky back with you here. Happy Election Day 4 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: and UH happy trade deadline. I guess it all kind 5 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: of comes at the same time, Buck, it all comes 6 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: at the same time. Really exciting day when you think 7 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: about UM, I mean, look at election Day. The number 8 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: of UH players that are taking an interest in voting 9 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: is encouraging UH taking part in the civil process, the 10 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: civic duty rather the electoral process. And then the trade 11 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: deadline is always exciting because this year, more than any 12 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: other year, we may get a lot of movement, and 13 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: I think that is exciting for us just because it 14 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:43,160 Speaker 1: means that we get to talk about players changing teams. 15 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 1: More importantly, what kind of draft currency you could come back. Yeah, 16 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go out and let and say, as we're 17 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: recording this, there's nothing really happening. But either while we're 18 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: recording this, or maybe ten minutes after we stopped recording this, 19 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: something crazy you'll happen. So if you don't hear us 20 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: talking about the crazy thing that happened, I just want 21 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 1: to be upfront. Let you know, we haven't heard about 22 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 1: it yet. That's why you haven't talking about Yeah, that's 23 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 1: one of the things. It should be an exciting time 24 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: because some of the big names that we are hearing, 25 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: like there's been the conversation about Stefan Gilmore being moved 26 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: around and stuff like that. So I'm curious to see 27 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: what happens at the end of the day and if 28 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,119 Speaker 1: those guys are moved, what kind of value do they 29 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: bring back in return because the n SS the market 30 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 1: for future transactions. When we see these big name guys 31 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: moved and traded at later dates, well, Buck, you know 32 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: we always say, like a veteran move, like a savvy 33 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: veteran move. I'm about to bust out a savvy veteran 34 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: move right now. Since we've been doing uh this podcast 35 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: for quite some time and the Bill can probably tell 36 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 1: us here and Bill, how many how many episodes have 37 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: we done on this podcast? Total? Six d and six 38 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: six We didn't have an anniversary for six d Where 39 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: was a surprise party? Three we have balloons and a 40 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: cake and everything else. Six hundred we would get we 41 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: would get doubled at. We should have a zoom party. Yeah, 42 00:01:56,440 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: exactly how we bring the water. You know, marks, marks 43 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: fall on the sword, marks jumped in the chat here 44 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: and falling on the sword. We forgive the markets. Okay, well, 45 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: we'll be fine. But with six center plus episodes comes experience. 46 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 1: And so what I was getting at, because we're gonna 47 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: talk about some of these trades that have taken place 48 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: and maybe what could happen. Let's move that to the 49 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: back of the episode, so in case something does pop 50 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: up while we're talking about some of this other stuff, 51 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: we can hit it. Then. Is that cool? Yeah? It works? 52 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: All right. Let's let's jump into what we saw with 53 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: the game last night, with with the Giants and the Bucks. Um. 54 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: First of all, just big picture takeaways, and then I 55 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: want to get into Daniel Jones and uh and the 56 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: turnover issue because I did a little homework on that 57 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: big picture takeaway. Um. Look, Thursday, two thursdays ago, we 58 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: did the Giants and the Philadelphia Eagles, and I think 59 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 1: we both came away impressed with how hard the Giants play. 60 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: And when you tell you a team that plays hard, 61 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: it always gives them a chance to be in the 62 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 1: game because their effort and energy sometimes can overwhelm or 63 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 1: outmatch exceed their talent. And with the Giants, because they 64 00:02:57,639 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 1: play what I say is a very simple scheme to 65 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: do a really good job, particularly on defense it um 66 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: it can make you play an ugly game because they 67 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: play hard their physical team, they have shown um a 68 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: picture for being fairly disciplined, and they make you work 69 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 1: to get everything down the field. And so they played 70 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 1: a Tampa Bay team that was far more talented than them, 71 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: but they made it an ugly game and they were 72 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 1: able to get the game on their terms. And so 73 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: I was really impressed with the coaching job that Joe 74 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: Judge did. I was impressed with both plans on offense 75 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: and defense because they had the game basically exactly where 76 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: they wanted until the turnovers kind of got them out 77 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: of source. And then on Tampa's in I think it's 78 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: easy to get caught up in the Tom Brady thing 79 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: and to get caught up in like this team should 80 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: throw it all over the yard. But this is really 81 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: a team that is driven by their defense and their 82 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: ability to play what I call opportunistic scoring offense. The 83 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: defense gets to turnover, gives them a short field. Tom 84 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: Brady doesn't miss out on cashing in a lottery tickets 85 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: and that's how they beat you, and so UM, there 86 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: have been the conversation and that this was faring away 87 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: the best team in the NFC, UH in the NFC. 88 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: Now buying that, I'm not quite sure that they're the 89 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: best team. I think they may have the best opportunity 90 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: to win it, but I'm not convinced that they're the 91 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: best overall team UH in the conference. Yeah. My thing 92 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 1: on Tampa like, I love I love their front seven. UM, 93 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: I love the skill position pieces they have on offensive. 94 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:25,479 Speaker 1: The offensive line is really good overall offense, I don't 95 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: really have any issues with them, and I love their 96 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: front seven. I just think when you see the premier quarterbacks, 97 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: you're gonna pay it for some of those sins on 98 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: the back end that Daniel Jones wasn't able to make 99 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: them pay for. And look I saw Herbert and doing 100 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: that game against the charges. Herbert dice them up down 101 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: the field. There's big plays to be had if you 102 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: can hang in there and protect and UH and get 103 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: your shots down the field. So I just look at 104 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: that Bucks team and I think of the quarterbacks you're 105 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: gonna face going through the NFC gauntlet. There in the postseason, 106 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 1: and that worries me a little bit. I mean, there's 107 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: some talent in that youth in the back end, but 108 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 1: that worries me. Yeah, I could matchups say everything right, 109 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:58,919 Speaker 1: And I think when most people think about the top quarterbacks, 110 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: the first type teams that come to mind will be 111 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers in the New Orleans Saints. But 112 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 1: that's not the team that I think gives them problems. 113 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: I think the teams like a Seattle who has a 114 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 1: mobile quarterback like Russell Wilson, a team like the Arizona 115 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: Cardinals with a guy that can scoot like Kyla Murray. 116 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 1: To me, those are the teams that are more likely 117 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: to give them problems because their quarterbacks can do so 118 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,359 Speaker 1: much other stuff. And even though Aaron Rodgers could do 119 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 1: that in the past, we saw the tam Bay Buccaneers 120 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 1: beat them up and his mobility wasn't necessarily a factor. 121 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: And talking to a coach about the tam Bay Buccaneers defense, 122 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: he told me this, and I never thought about it. 123 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 1: A lot of times. You would think that you bliss 124 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 1: because you have good play in the back end, He 125 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 1: told me, they bliss because they don't have good play 126 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: in the back. So they're bringing the pressure to make 127 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: you forced the ball out and they're saying that your 128 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 1: quarterback can't make good decisions under the rest, and so 129 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: that's why they take chances. Because you're right, DJ, there 130 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: were plenty of opportunities for the New York Giants to 131 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: hit them over the top, but when your quarterback is 132 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 1: getting hit in the said, you just can't get to it. 133 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: So it will be interesting to see a team that 134 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: can protect or a quarterback who is able to extend 135 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: plays if they can dial them up and make them 136 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,919 Speaker 1: play for the big place. Uh, no doubt. When we 137 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 1: look over at the other side with the Giants, we're 138 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 1: gonna get to the quarterback here in just a minute. 139 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 1: But defensively, I was talking to a coach that had 140 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: played against this Giant's front and he said an offensive 141 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 1: coach and said, look, when you look at Dalvin Tomlinson 142 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 1: and Dexter Lawrence, those are real dudes, and they are 143 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: guys you can build a defense around. Lanard Williams is 144 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 1: playing well. The only thing they don't have is they 145 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: just don't have any edge rushers. So if they can 146 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 1: in the draft, and they look like they could be 147 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: picking way up there. If they decide they're comfortable with 148 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: the quarterback situation, don't have to go there. Man. If 149 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: you could get a big time edge rusher to pair 150 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 1: up with what they have with these other guys inside 151 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,479 Speaker 1: that can be power players, this could be a really 152 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: really dominant front, which would set us up in this division. 153 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: It's kind of would be fun because you've got kind 154 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: of the Eagles and and the Cowboys kind of a 155 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: little bit older with their fronts, talented but a little 156 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: bit older. Fletcher Cox, Brandon Graham, you know, Lawrence, those 157 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 1: guys are getting a little bit older. And then now 158 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: you have Washington coming with their young front, and then 159 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: you could have the Giants coming with another really good 160 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: young front. And when you go back and you really 161 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: think about the NFC East and the legs of the 162 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: NFC East, going all the way back to when we 163 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: were kids, that's why how the division was one. It 164 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: wasn't because of the offense. Is because the teams they 165 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: had their physical defenses. Um And so when I look 166 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: at the Giants, it's funny that you said it, because 167 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: I was watching them try out their starting lineup in DJ. 168 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: I was like, they're almost playing with like three nose tackles, 169 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: three big dudes three plus pounders up front, and then 170 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: they're kind of sprinkling stuff in around them. And so, 171 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: either in free agency or in the draft, I think 172 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: they should try and get two guys that can rush 173 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: to pass her and kind of get after the quarterback. 174 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: Because if you're going to be a three man front 175 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: and either three or four defense, or when you go 176 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: to nickele you're gonna be a three, three, five defense, 177 00:07:58,080 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: I think you gotta have multiple guys that you can 178 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: row at people off the edge, or you have to 179 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: be committed to really utilize in slot pressures like the 180 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh still doesn't some of the other teams are doing 181 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: this year where you have a dynamic nickel player that 182 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: can blitz and rush and do some of those things 183 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: that you need to have a fifth rush you two. Yeah, 184 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: it's gonna be interesting to see how they build a team. 185 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: It's weird because there's a one in seven football team. 186 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: They're competitive, they're in there in every game, they play hard. Um, 187 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: you can see there's there's a future here. Now. The 188 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: elephant in the room is whether or not you've got 189 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:34,079 Speaker 1: the right quarterback. And so I've seen the turnover numbers 190 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: and everybody saw them all on the broadcast through Daniel 191 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: Jones or two years, it's got a ton of turnovers. 192 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 1: And this year, um with the interceptions you know, combined 193 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,559 Speaker 1: with still having some fumble issues. Um. So I want 194 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: to do a couple of things here to take kind 195 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: of a holistic view. I'm gonna go back and I'm 196 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: gonna read you my college report on Daniel Jones. Okay, 197 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 1: I want to get your feedback on that and see 198 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: how that jives with what we've seen. And then I 199 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: went back and charted all his picks this year, buck 200 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: and so I want to break those down for you 201 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: and get your thoughts on that. Well you're ready, Yeah, all, 202 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:03,959 Speaker 1: here we go. Jones outstanding size for the position. He 203 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: six one, always under control, throws from a firm platform 204 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: as a pass or, relies more on touch than power, 205 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: throws with anticipation underneath, and puts plenty of loft on 206 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 1: the deep ball, dropping them in the bucket. He's more 207 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 1: accurate than his stats would suggest, clear completion percentage of 208 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: fifty nine point nine. Jones suffered from a lot of 209 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: drop passes at Duke. He's very athletic, on design QB runs, 210 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: but he lacks urgency to consistently escape when pressured. He's 211 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: shown the ability to read the full field, but he 212 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: was forced to hold the ball at times because his 213 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: weapons failed to separate. He showed his toughness by playing 214 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: through injuries his past fall. Overall, Jones lacks a lead 215 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: arm strength, but he has a nice blendid size, toughness 216 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,599 Speaker 1: and football smarts. So so that's the report there. What 217 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 1: do you pull out of that? Well, I mean, I 218 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: think all those things are true. DJ Like, I think 219 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: he does have size, toughness, he does have the smarts. 220 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: I think we were given access to him in a 221 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: little different vain when we did the three six and 222 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 1: on him, and you heard people talk about and you 223 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: heard his preparation. You liked all of the intangibles they 224 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: he brought. You like the athleticism that he brought. But 225 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: you you did wonder when the game sped up, would 226 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: he have the ability to speed up his processing and 227 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: get the ball out. And I think what happens is 228 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: now that the book is out on him about pressure, 229 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: until he is able to look pressure in the face 230 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: and defeat it, he's going to continue to get it 231 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: and I don't know if and this goes back to 232 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: that conversation that we had with Joe Montana, I don't 233 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,559 Speaker 1: know if you can teach a young quarterback poise. I 234 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,839 Speaker 1: don't know how you can acquire that. Like, yeah, you 235 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: can get some of that by game action and game reps, 236 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: like you get acclimated to the speed of the game. 237 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: But I don't know how you quicken his clock. And 238 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: if you do, man, your play caller has to be 239 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: on point all the time to guess right when the 240 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 1: defense is listened, and I think that puts a lot 241 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 1: of pressure on the play caller. When you mentioned Joe Montana, 242 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 1: if you haven't listened to that episode, I would encourage 243 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 1: you guys to go back and listen to it because 244 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 1: we asked him for the definition of poise and he 245 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:00,839 Speaker 1: said it's when preparation meets concentration. I don't have any 246 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: doubts whatsoever that the preparation part has been that box 247 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: has been checked for Daniel Jones, He's been prepared to 248 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: come into the game. I think though, that as a 249 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: young player, I think sometimes you are not in the 250 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 1: concentration mode you need to be in from In other words, 251 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: every single down is full focus to make good decisions, 252 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: to be smart with the football. That is something you 253 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: have to reset every single snap, because you can do 254 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: it for twenty snaps in a row, but the twenty 255 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: one snap you lose your concentration and then you get 256 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: yourself in a mess. And I went back and charted 257 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: those turnovers. You talked about pressure, and I went back 258 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: and charted Carson Wentz as well as Kirk Cousins, because 259 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: I wanted to compare them. These are the top three 260 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: guys in terms of interceptions. So when I look at 261 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones and I'm you know, as a as a quarterback, 262 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: I'm always going to be a little bit forgiving on 263 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: ones that I might be able to put on somebody else. Okay, 264 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: So I took two of the interceptions and I put 265 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: one was a wide receiver slipped, another one was a 266 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: tip ball. So I'm gonna wipe two of them off 267 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: of his ledger at the top. So those two are gone, 268 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 1: So that means we've got so The interesting thing about 269 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: this program too, is so he has nine picks, I 270 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: believe right on the air. Is that correct? So one 271 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: of them was called back because then when I ran 272 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: the cut up. I got ten plays, so one of 273 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 1: these was an interception was called back, but for all 274 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: tense purposes, I'm gonna go off this ten number. So 275 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: you had three of them that were forced. So those 276 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: were more vision issues just forcing the football, okay, not 277 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: just and that that kind of goes a little bit 278 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: into the decision making. I'll you can categorize that poor 279 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: decision forcing the ball um and didn't see it clearly 280 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: five though. The remaining five all under heavy pressure. So 281 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: that's the bulk of it. And you said it, you 282 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 1: know that. It's it's when you're under pressure. So you've 283 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 1: got five, and it's not giving up on a play 284 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: when everything's crowded around, you take the sack, throw the 285 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: ball away. It's just not giving up on a play. 286 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: And I think some of that is you look, you 287 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: play at Duke and you have to you know, some 288 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: of the hero ball stuff is gonna come into it. 289 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 1: You've got to try and make every play. You're constantly 290 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: under pressure and you're trying to you know, you've got 291 00:12:57,880 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 1: to be able to put up points and you're not 292 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:02,199 Speaker 1: gonna be able to win game, and you've got to 293 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 1: somehow get that out of him. But that to me 294 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 1: is at least encouraging because I want to go through 295 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: Winston Cousins here real quick, just to give you a 296 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: feel of that. So wins. Three of them decisions, so 297 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 1: just poor decisions. One of them I'm gonna throw away. 298 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: It was a fourth and twenty. Okay, it's a fourth 299 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:20,719 Speaker 1: and twenty, just throwing it up down the field. So 300 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:24,199 Speaker 1: I'm gonna wipe that one off. You've got so and 301 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: then you also have three tips and wide receiver airs, 302 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: so when the wide receiver just didn't come back to 303 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: the ball, so I'm gonna throw out. I'm actually gonna 304 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: throw out. Four of wins is three on on tips 305 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: and wide receivers, one on a fourth and twenty. So 306 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:40,079 Speaker 1: watched those four away. But he's got three poor decisions, 307 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: so just forcing the ball. Poor decisions. But here's the 308 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: big one, buck five inaccurate throws. So you're seeing it, 309 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,319 Speaker 1: you're through, you're throwing the ball where it's it's a 310 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: good spot to throw it. Don't have a problem with 311 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: where you threw it. You just were inaccurate. Yeah, that's different. 312 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,719 Speaker 1: That's different. I think it's easier and and and when 313 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 1: you're can at Daniel Jones and some of his issues 314 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 1: there to say, hey, when you're getting when everything's collapsing 315 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 1: around and you're under pressure, it's okay, take a sack, 316 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:08,439 Speaker 1: throw the ball away, that's fine. I think it's actually 317 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: a little bit easier to coach that out of him 318 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:12,959 Speaker 1: than than some of the issues Wentz is having this 319 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: year and not going back to Wentz is played well 320 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: in the past, but just this year. The accuracy thing 321 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: that that's that's what troubles me. Yeah, I mean, I 322 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: think I think that is troubling, and it's troubling because 323 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: I'll talk about it from a defensive standpoint. On defense, 324 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: you're taught um, particularly if you're a team that plays 325 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: a lot of zone is hey, we're gonna get our 326 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: interceptions off tips and overthrows. And what you're banking on 327 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: is the pass rush is going to force an errant 328 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: pass and the ball is gonna be elevated. It's either 329 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: gonna be tipped, deflected the line of scrimmage, or we're 330 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: gonna pick it because it's just an errant toss. And 331 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: I think Carson Wentz's issue is not that it's even 332 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: errant from the pocket. Is he is rolling right and 333 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: trying to throw all the way back across the field 334 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: or those things, and so it is troubling, and I 335 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: think it's troubling for a guy who has been in 336 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: the league for a why like he is no longer 337 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: like Daniel Jones is twenty games in. We talked about 338 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: you gotta give a quarterback thirty two games. You gotta 339 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: gi him two full season to really be able to 340 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: evaluate it. Dania Jones still has time to improve and 341 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: kind of shake off some of those. But now when 342 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: Carson Wentz, his game is almost settled in concrete, like 343 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: how much is that going to change? And that man 344 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: that the lack of accuracy and the errant throws that 345 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: we've seen from him this year. To me, I've heard 346 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: you talked about like his footwork, the why base, those 347 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: things like can we get him back to a point 348 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: whereas most of memory puts him in a consistent base 349 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: where he makes consistent throws and those things. Maybe we can, 350 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: but it's really troubling that he's had so many inaccurate 351 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: throws and week after week we're talking about the same 352 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: kind of interceptions. Yeah, look, I just say he needs 353 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: to go to the body shop and get realigned, right, 354 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: just just get realigned, because I've seen him be accurate. 355 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: I've seen him play at very high level, and people go, 356 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: you gotta go back to now you go back to 357 00:15:56,080 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. Carson played well last year seven and seven touchdowns, interceptions, 358 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: and was playing with a whole of different guys as 359 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: they were trying to break guys in. Uh, let's go 360 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: to Cousins because I mentioned him as well. So Cousins. Uh, 361 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: Cousins has ten picks. So here's how these breakdown. I'm 362 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: a white three off. Okay, Yeah, this is I always 363 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: think this is funny because a lot of people when 364 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: they just threw out these numbers, you've got to put 365 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: him in context. So of his ten, two of them 366 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: are hail Mary's. Okay, wipe those off, and then you 367 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: have one tip. So I'm a white three off of 368 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: his list, but you end up having three for decisions, 369 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: for decisions for for accuracy. So similar to Wentz and 370 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: that you know where you want to go with the ball, 371 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: just not throwing it accurately, and that can be a 372 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: mechanical thing that you can you can work on, try 373 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: and clean up. But I just think with Wentz and 374 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: cousins accuracy issues with Daniel Jones under pressure and dealing 375 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: with pressure. So it's almost look identical, right, but the 376 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: issues are totally different. Yeah, completely different. And I think 377 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: for Daniel Jones, Um, I'll be honest with you, I 378 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 1: don't like the things that he's had around him the 379 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: last two years. Like if his best player is Darius Slayton, 380 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: a fifth round pick, I don't think that is enough 381 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: to really do a fourth evaluation on him, you know, 382 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:16,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I think you have to be third receiver. Yeah, 383 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 1: but I think you have to give him a big 384 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: time dude. Everyone loves what Justin Herbert is doing, but 385 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: I think it also helps when you know in a 386 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 1: pitch man, I got a dude outside in Keenan Allen 387 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 1: who can win. I can at least hit a layup 388 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: by knowing, and you know what, we need to get 389 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: him settled. Let's call something to thirteen because thirteen more 390 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: times than not is going to get open and give 391 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: him a completion. For Daniel Jones, he has none of that, 392 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 1: Like he doesn't have a big time receiver and he 393 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: doesn't have a big time running back out of the 394 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 1: backfield that can consistently win and catch balls, and so 395 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,880 Speaker 1: the limit that you have if you're the Giants. Man, 396 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: if you're sitting up there in the top five, right, 397 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 1: and we talked about three quarterbacks being in there, so 398 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: you've got Trevor Lawrence justin fields and trade lance. You 399 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,679 Speaker 1: have to weigh what you see from Daniel Jones and 400 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 1: what you think he could be versus what you think 401 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: these other guys can be. Man, that is a very 402 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: very tough decision based on how those guys have played 403 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: in college. You know, there's two things to two names, right, 404 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:19,679 Speaker 1: you have to figure this out. You don't want to 405 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 1: you you don't want to hang on to Blake Bortles 406 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: and pass up on all those other top guys. And 407 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: then you also you don't want to you know you 408 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 1: have We saw both ways. The Jags hung on to 409 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: Blake Bortles and the Arizona Cardinals punted on Josh Rosen. 410 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: So you have to find out what Daniel Jones. Is 411 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: he Josh Rosen or Blake Bortles or is he somebody 412 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:43,120 Speaker 1: else that you know, Hey, we can we can build 413 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,160 Speaker 1: around him. I will say this, I'm not I'm not 414 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: offering a verdict at this point in time. I want 415 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: to see more. We've got a lot more of the 416 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 1: season left. I would say, based off of last year, 417 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: I was pretty darn encouraged. I think Daniel Jones played 418 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 1: better last year, even with the fumble issues. And I 419 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 1: know he had a bunch of fumbles, but I thought 420 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: he played better last year than we ever saw from 421 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 1: Josh Rosen or Blake Bortles. Would you agree with that? Yeah, 422 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: I think now, I think so. I think he's had 423 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 1: better He's had better moments. He's had more moments than 424 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: both of those guys have had. I think with Blake Bortles, 425 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: the entire offensive game plan was about how can we 426 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: minimize his impact? How can we hide him? Yeah, and 427 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: I think with Daniel Jones, I think they have put 428 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: him in a position where he has made plays and 429 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: DJ his his athleticism. Because as bad as those interceptions were, 430 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 1: like the second interception was bad, right, he comes right 431 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,640 Speaker 1: back in orchestrates a two minute drill, drops a dime 432 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 1: for a touchdown, and has them in a position to 433 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 1: convert a two point conversion. Now people are talking about 434 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:45,679 Speaker 1: the p I I will simply say, man, if he 435 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: just lets it go on open, you just run that 436 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: play every week. That's and on college was every Thursday, right, 437 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 1: those two that means point play. He run that a 438 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 1: million times. I mean, I'm looking at it. I'm like, 439 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 1: they go to a four one formation. I'm like, this 440 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: is a seven on seven play. Like, if you get 441 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: any movement, just drop it to him. It's it's it's 442 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 1: a conversion. And so just letting it go. And I 443 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,640 Speaker 1: think maybe he was a little bit snake bitten by 444 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: the two turnovers that he wanted to make sure it 445 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 1: was open before he let it go. But that should 446 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 1: have been a conversion. But I give him credit because 447 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 1: the resil you see that he showed coming back from 448 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 1: those bad turnovers to me, speaks volumes about him as 449 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:27,159 Speaker 1: a playmaker. And look, let's give him time. Let's give 450 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: him enough time at the end of the season before 451 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 1: we make a decision. But I think it's one of 452 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: those evaluations that you have to have a real objective evaluation, 453 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 1: and you have to go into it without thinking about 454 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: the end in mind. You have to let all sixteen 455 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 1: games play out, you have to look look at all 456 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 1: the tape and then take that and compare it to 457 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: justin fields and trade lance and then make a decision, 458 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 1: all right, I wanted to be fair to Blake Bortles. 459 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: I went back and pull up his numbers because I 460 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: was like, okay, I want to I say that just flippantly. 461 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 1: He's been, He's what he's done is better than anything 462 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: we saw from Blake Portals. Blake Portles man, he had 463 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 1: some interesting years. Like in uh he had thirty five touchdowns, right, 464 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: that's the big number through yards, eighteen picks. The next 465 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: year twenty three touchdown, sixteen picks, then one touchdowns thirteen picks. 466 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: I mean it is a boat boatload of uh you know, 467 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: and I never we never really caught. You know. Context 468 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 1: context matters. So how many of those that big season, 469 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: how many of those three hundred yards? How many of 470 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: those uh yards of that fort yard season we're in 471 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 1: meaningful playing time? Like were they chasing? Where they playing 472 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: against soft defenses? Because that was a five and eleven year, right, 473 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: So so was he a bag of potato chips and 474 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: a lot of empty calories or was he really having 475 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: a meal that we every year? So they're good. Year right, 476 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: ten and six that was seen, Um, that was the 477 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 1: a f C championship here, right, So that year he 478 00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: was uh, thirty six hundred yards only completed sixty centis passes, touchdowns, picks. 479 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: Another thing about Daniel Jones and black barrels can move 480 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: around a little bit. But Daniel Jones a much better athlete, 481 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 1: much better athlete, I mean, much better athlete. He's shown it. 482 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: He can make make plays whatever. I think. The big 483 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,439 Speaker 1: thing for him is something. And I said this, and 484 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 1: I said it with Jay Color, and Jay Color was 485 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 1: never able to shake it. When Jay Color played at Vanderbilt, 486 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: he had to do so much. And so I say, 487 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: you never really learned how to play winning football, meaning 488 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 1: how to manage the game in a winning fashion. Hey, 489 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: let's look at time and score. Oh you know what 490 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 1: I can I can check this without or I can 491 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,400 Speaker 1: throw this one away because the game is at hand. 492 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 1: When you're playing at Duke and you don't have a 493 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 1: bunch of A level players around you, you're playing at Vanderbilt, 494 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 1: you don't have that you're conditioned to. I gotta do 495 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 1: all this by myself. I can't trust the defense. I 496 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,919 Speaker 1: can't give it back to the other team via punt 497 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,679 Speaker 1: because I know we can't stop him. And you just 498 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: had to keep working with him to teach him how 499 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: to manage the game and understand where we are at 500 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 1: the game and what we can do and what we 501 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: probably say scale back on when you have the green light, 502 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: when it's a yellow light situation, and when it's a 503 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: red light, like he has to understand that part of it. 504 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: All Right, I got a question for you because I 505 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: just got a text from one of our mutual friends here. 506 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 1: I'll tell you who it is afterwards. But he said, 507 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: outside of Patrick Mahomes, he said, after watching all the 508 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 1: tape this week, said, outside of Patrick Mahomes, I would 509 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 1: take Joe Burrow over any young quarterback in the NFL. 510 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: But I'm telling you, Buck, we we we have to. 511 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 1: We have to. We have to adhere to our own principles, 512 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: right like we have. You have your opinions. I have 513 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: my opinions, but there's some show opinions. Like there's some opinions. 514 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,439 Speaker 1: We've come together and we've shared and we agree, and 515 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: we've been preaching trucks and trailers, right, We've been preaching 516 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: this for five seven years, however long we've been preaching this. 517 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow is a truck in year one, DJ it is. 518 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: It is remarkable. And here's the thing. And I think 519 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: here's the lesson for all evaluators. Right, what you think 520 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,199 Speaker 1: about somebody before they ended the league, it's okay to 521 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: change your opinion after they get into the league. Because 522 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 1: what you're doing before they get into the league's pure projection. 523 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,120 Speaker 1: Like you don't you're not privy to where they're gonna 524 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: where they're going to go, who they're going to play with, 525 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: what it's going to look like when they get there. 526 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,679 Speaker 1: It's a little more of a guestimate. But once someone 527 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 1: gets to the league, your job as an evaluated is 528 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 1: to objectively look at how they're playing and to make 529 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 1: your opinion on that. And good ones will admit, you 530 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: know what, I was a little awful because I was 531 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: lower on Joe Burrow than some, But I will say 532 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: this and watching him do can deal like he has 533 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 1: it and I think the best trade And some of 534 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: this is influenced by what we learned uh during his 535 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: journey on three sixty super competitive, super paides losing um. 536 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 1: It's it's the thing that we've always talked about, like 537 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: there's some guys that if we're playing pick up basketball, 538 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 1: you put them with whatever, they always stay on the court. 539 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 1: To me, just Joe Burrow. You give Joe Burrow is 540 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow plus four. He's gonna find a way to 541 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,439 Speaker 1: stay on the court. When I look at them the 542 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 1: being the Bankers had no business beating the Tennessee Titans 543 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: the other day with a completely revamped offensive line to 544 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: the injury. I mean, a j Green can't play anymore. 545 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: He has Tyler Boyd and Tee Higgins out there playing. 546 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: I don't even know if Joe Mixing played because I 547 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: think Giovanni Bernard played and it doesn't matter. And so DJ. 548 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,439 Speaker 1: Some of the arguments that we get into, well not you, 549 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 1: because you avoid arguments on Twitter. I get into Twitter 550 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: has to do with like the standard of expectation and 551 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: what you expect when someone is taken at the top 552 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 1: of the board. And so when you take Joe Burrow 553 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: number one, you're saying, hey, he is, in our mind 554 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,640 Speaker 1: a truck. He's going to get all the stuff right, 555 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 1: and he's done that, and so yeah, like, look, man, 556 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 1: he is. He is phenomenal, and they have really gotten 557 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: a really good player, and it's gonna be I mean, 558 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: it's gonna be really interesting to see how you build 559 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,360 Speaker 1: this team around him, because I think he has already 560 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 1: made them a competitive game. He's almost made them musty 561 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: must see TV because he he's gobbling up three rd 562 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 1: games like it's nothing. You know. You know what I 563 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: would love to see them do is I would love 564 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 1: to see them go out and get a big time 565 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 1: tight end, Like think about think about this where they're picking, 566 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: they could be you know, let's let's say they're picking 567 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,199 Speaker 1: you know eight, eight or nine, that Florida tight end. 568 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 1: You plug him in, you plug it cow pits into 569 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: that into that group with some of the receivers they 570 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: have and Joe Mixing in the backfield, that would be fun. 571 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: And see so I've uncountered to this that argument with 572 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: somebody yesterday, Like right now I'm going all in and 573 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 1: I'm building the offense up around him. Before I started 574 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 1: thinking about like the defense of whatever. I want to 575 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: be great on one side of the ball, and my 576 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: quick opportunity to be great is to load up on 577 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 1: this offense. So I got Joe Mixing, I have two 578 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 1: receivers and Tyler Boyd and see Higgins, I'm gonna get 579 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: another receiver, another tight end. I will see what I 580 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: can do with this offensive line, either via free agency 581 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 1: of the draft, and I'm gonna make sure that when 582 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,400 Speaker 1: we step onto the field of one as close as 583 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 1: I can, I want to give him an L. S 584 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: U like set of weapons so he can do exactly 585 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,439 Speaker 1: what he did at L. S U. And then we 586 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: will work on the defense on the fly. But I 587 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,199 Speaker 1: want this offense to be an A plus offense. Ye, 588 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: and let them grow together, let them all grow up together. 589 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: So I'm with you on that front. All right, Let's 590 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: get to some of these trades that we've seen here. 591 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,880 Speaker 1: Is anything stood out to you and some of these 592 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: guys changing places here, I thought, you know, Dunlop going 593 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 1: to Seattle to try and fix their issues in the past. 594 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,880 Speaker 1: Rush to me, he's probably the one that I think 595 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 1: has a chance to be impactful. Yeah, I mean, I 596 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 1: think that's that's the best one. Because Dj, We've talked 597 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: about it a little bit, but I said it. Jamal 598 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: Adams was their best pass rusher prior to Carlos Dunlap coming. 599 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: They were using Jamal Adams as a linebacker pass rusher 600 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: for the Seahawks the same way that he was being 601 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 1: used for the Jets, and so he came in and 602 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: gave them that. But he has missed the last three 603 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,119 Speaker 1: or four games, and so they hadn't been able to 604 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: generate pass rushing until the San Francisco forty Niners game. Well, 605 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 1: now when you bring Carlos Dunlap over, it gives them 606 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,880 Speaker 1: a legitimate four men rush because you have a designated 607 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 1: rusher in him. You add Jamal to the mix, it 608 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 1: gives you five. And then the way that you decide 609 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 1: to use Bobby Wagner, because Bobby Wagner had two sacks 610 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: against the forty Niners, it now makes your defense a 611 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: little more dynamic. And remember, this defense doesn't need to 612 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: be lights out defense. This defense needs to be what 613 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: I call it an arena ball defense. We're playing for 614 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 1: two or three stops. That's a game. We're playing for 615 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: two or three stops because Russell Wilson and that side 616 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: is cooking. So let them go. We're playing too. Hey, 617 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: you can have as many yards as you want to 618 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: have between the twenties. We just want to make you 619 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 1: kick field goals. If we can get a turn over 620 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: or stop miraculously during the game, that's a win for us. 621 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: And I think that's how they have to play. And 622 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: so you just need to have enough guys that you 623 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: can throw at the quarterback to knock him around and 624 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: force him to make some bad decisions. Another one that 625 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: was interesting, Um you had des md King, who I 626 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 1: see every week during the Charger games, going from the 627 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: Chargers to the Titans. Um, they're a little bit thin 628 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: in the secondary, so I think they want to bring 629 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: him in there. The interesting thing with des Mking is 630 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: in as an underneath zone defender. He's good, he's he's tough, 631 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: he's physical. But the issues we had with his his 632 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 1: his play speed are legit. So you're gonna put him 633 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: in the slot you got. You're not gonna want to 634 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: match him up too much and let him he so 635 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: DJ for the longest time in the scouting industry, you 636 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: heard everyone talk about like, oh, he's a Tampa two corner. Oh, 637 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 1: this is a Tampa two corner. And what that means 638 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 1: is really he's his own corner who has speed limitations. 639 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: And what Desmond King offered coming out of Iowa, his 640 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: instincts and i Q gave him a chance to really 641 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: overcome his lack of speed. So he has to play 642 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 1: in a defense that allows him to do that stuff. 643 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: So either he's in the middle of the field as 644 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: what I think is a safety that you convert and 645 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: teach him how to play safety, or he is a 646 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: nickel corner in a defense that plays a lot of 647 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 1: zone where he can have his eyes on the quarterback 648 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: and he can go and make plays. He does have 649 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 1: terrific return skills, so you have to account for that, 650 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: But he's not a guy that can go and match 651 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 1: up and play one on one with premier wide receivers. 652 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 1: Maybe on occasion the number three, but in my mind, 653 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: I think he can match up with the number four receiver. 654 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: And what value do you get from a guy that 655 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 1: matches up with the fourth best pass catcher? And so 656 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: I think that's what you have to look at. That's 657 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: what you have to understand there in four six coming out, 658 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 1: so four six flats, So that was that was a 659 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 1: little bit of a concern. I remember at the Senior Bowl, 660 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 1: there's always in certain plays that stand out. Remember Cooper 661 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 1: Cup went up against him on the first rep, right 662 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: by him. I couldn't get that out of my head, 663 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: and and and and that's and that's hard. And so 664 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: if he ran four six when he was coming out 665 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 1: of college, DJ, he's probably a four six five, four six, 666 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: seven four seven. Oh guy, you don't typically get faster 667 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 1: in the pros, and so his ability to play for 668 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 1: a long time would depend on his understanding of what 669 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 1: defense he's in scheme and his understanding of offense. So 670 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 1: he is a guy that is kind of like the 671 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 1: wise old man in the secondary, that makes plays based 672 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 1: on knowledge and know how as opposed to just his 673 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 1: natural talents. One of the things I'll add on the 674 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 1: trade thing, and uh, you know you have the Jets 675 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 1: trading Avery Williamson, um uh traded mcclennon the defensive lineman. 676 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 1: They've collected twenty two picks, So I thought it was 677 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: interesting because they have all these extra picks in in 678 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 1: twenty one. That was actually pretty smart by Joe of saying, look, 679 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna try and even though these are fifth, sixth 680 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: round picks, but just getting you want to come in 681 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: too back to back draft with double digit picks, So 682 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 1: don't just you don't want to have fifteen picks in 683 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 1: one draft. You want to kind of balance that out 684 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: a little bit. So I thought it was interesting he's 685 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: kind of building up that twenty two ward chests as well. Yeah, 686 00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: I think you have to I think that's what you 687 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 1: have to to do. Because we talked about it one draft. 688 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: We just don't know. It's such a crapshoot because it's 689 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 1: weird for the college prospects coming out. It's weird for 690 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: the scouts that are trying to figure out how to 691 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 1: evaluate them. I think you want to have enough um 692 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 1: ammunition to be able to go in twenties twenty two 693 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: and we hope things are more normal that you can 694 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 1: go and you can get good players. And I think 695 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 1: for any evaluator in a rebuilding situation, the best thing 696 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 1: that you can have are multiple options. You want to 697 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 1: have multiple first round picks in multiple years. You want 698 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 1: to have the ability to control the board because you 699 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: have so much in the war chest that you can 700 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 1: pick and choose and move around the board to get 701 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 1: players that you deem to be blue chip players that 702 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: can come in and play and make impact. And so 703 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 1: to do that you gotta have you have to have 704 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 1: enough currency. Interesting thing about that as well, is when 705 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: you collect these fifth, sixth round picks and you look 706 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 1: at the Jets, you're gonna be a really good salary 707 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 1: cap situation going forward. They're gonna have a lot of space. 708 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 1: So when you look at the cap you know not 709 00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: going up in the future, and you look at teams 710 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: way over now, all of a sudden, you know Clais 711 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 1: Campbell went for a fifth round pick. You know you're 712 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 1: gonna have a bunch of these bargaining chips here too. 713 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: That if as teams are trying to get underneath the 714 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 1: cap and need to get rid of some good veteran 715 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 1: football players that you can spin off one of those 716 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: fifth or six, you'd be surprised what you might be 717 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 1: able next year. Yeah. I mean we've seen it. And 718 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 1: especially because of like you talked about, like the salary 719 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: cap dumps and those things, you may be able to 720 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 1: bargain basement shop, get some good players, cut some salaries down, 721 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 1: like when you get them on a on a salary 722 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: cap ORTRD deal. Yeah, it gives you an opportunity to 723 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 1: do it. Because I think here's the other thing too, 724 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 1: it's a mix. When you're doing the rebuild. You can't 725 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: have too many young players because then the rebuild process 726 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 1: takes too long. But you can't have too many old 727 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 1: players in free agents because then you know exactly what 728 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: you're getting. So it needs to be a mix and 729 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 1: what you want is maneuverability. You want the ability to 730 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 1: evaluate what's out there, what do I need to get, 731 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 1: whether it's a young player or an old player, what 732 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: I need to give up to get them and have 733 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: enough that you can go and make some of those moves. Yeah, 734 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 1: And I know baseball, you're gonna see bargaining basement deals 735 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 1: here because that they've that that market's gonna get flooded. 736 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 1: You're seeing a bunch of players getting on. You're gonna 737 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 1: see a bunch of players getting non tendered um and released. 738 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 1: So you're gonna have a huge market there. And I 739 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 1: think in baseball it's interesting because they're getting to their 740 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 1: off season before the NFL and you're seeing what we 741 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,839 Speaker 1: have talked about, that middle class, those five six eight 742 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 1: million dollar players done. Uh you're either real young uh 743 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,840 Speaker 1: and cheap ours stars and babies. You've got stars and babies. 744 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,880 Speaker 1: That's it, man. I mean that. I mean, that's just 745 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 1: the way that people are building it. And for the 746 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 1: National Football League has been like that for a while. 747 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 1: I think what is prevented some of that is like 748 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,319 Speaker 1: people get their feelings in the way when it comes 749 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,400 Speaker 1: to make those hard decisions. But if if you're able 750 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 1: to separate like your heart and your fondness for a 751 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 1: player from the production and how you have to build it. 752 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:55,840 Speaker 1: You have to make some of these shrewd moves and 753 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 1: you have to let people go. And I believe this, 754 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 1: and this is a baseball thing. I would rather get 755 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,719 Speaker 1: rid of a good player a year too early than 756 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: a year too late. Um, just because we've seen what 757 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 1: happens like, man, when you retain a player and they 758 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 1: come back and they can't play anymore. Man, it hurts 759 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:14,799 Speaker 1: you like it hurts you. And I'm not gonna keep 760 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 1: piling on a J. Green. But DJ Sincinnati being was 761 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 1: a parent a J. Green like eighteen like six eighteen 762 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 1: million dollars. They're getting minimal production. You think about what 763 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:25,839 Speaker 1: the Eagles are doing with the Sean Jackson, like they 764 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 1: have money tied into him and all Sean Jeffrey, and 765 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,839 Speaker 1: I think I getting any production out of them. And look, 766 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: it's not um harsh or whatever, but if we we 767 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,840 Speaker 1: treat this like business man, it's just a it's just 768 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 1: a bad it's just a bad way to go. Yep, 769 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,719 Speaker 1: that's what it is. I got something for you want 770 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 1: to I want to ask you this because um, you know, 771 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,760 Speaker 1: like the real world of the Twitter verse goes crazy, 772 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 1: like when when things are so I heard Rex Ryan 773 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 1: on the show talk about how the scouting community completely 774 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 1: messed up with DK Metcalf, right, and he just said, 775 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,480 Speaker 1: like he was just talking about scouts a guffs who 776 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 1: aren't coaches. Scouts don't Basically, he just took a shot 777 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 1: at a bunch of scouts or whatever. And so I 778 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 1: just kind of want to have the conversational like why 779 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,359 Speaker 1: we a scals sometimes will either miss or downgrade a 780 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 1: player based on what they did in college, and I 781 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 1: was sometimes like, look, it can be wrong. Um, so 782 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,279 Speaker 1: the DK Metcalf situation, like what did you think about 783 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 1: DK Metcalf when he was coming out? First of all, 784 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 1: I love I love Rex. I worked with Rex and 785 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,880 Speaker 1: we get along great. But that's crazy. So for a 786 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 1: couple of reasons. Number one, and I could even go 787 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,239 Speaker 1: back to show you where I had him, Um, I 788 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 1: think he was my what what years? It's the twenty 789 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 1: nineteen draft, right buck, So I'll give you the exact 790 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 1: number here. DK Metcalf was my twenty feet overall player. 791 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,839 Speaker 1: I compared him to Marius Thomas. That's who. That's where 792 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,799 Speaker 1: I had him and he was the sixty I think 793 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,400 Speaker 1: he was sixty or sixty and he was. He was 794 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 1: the sixty four pick. Yeah, he was my twenty first player. 795 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 1: He was a sixty four pick. So, and I had 796 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,760 Speaker 1: DK Metcalf even higher than that earlier in the process, 797 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,360 Speaker 1: but he still ended up in my is my twenty 798 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,839 Speaker 1: one overall player. Away. A lot of these organizations work 799 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,440 Speaker 1: at the beginning of the process. The scouts set the board. 800 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 1: As you go through the process, the coaches come into 801 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,800 Speaker 1: the mix. Yes, coaches are have more influence after the facts. 802 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 1: So this whole notion that after the scouting combine where 803 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,440 Speaker 1: d K ran a slow three cone and it was stiff, 804 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 1: that the scouts pulled him down the board is such 805 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,200 Speaker 1: it's so ridiculous. It's so ridiculous because most of these 806 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,239 Speaker 1: organizations of scouts so have any juice at that point 807 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,080 Speaker 1: in time. They had him where they were at the 808 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 1: beginning of the process. After that, you handed off to 809 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 1: your organization, and those are the guys who end up 810 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 1: making that decision. And I can tell you from firsthand 811 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 1: knowledge of talking to some teams about this, they had 812 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,760 Speaker 1: him in a good spot and because of a neck issue, 813 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 1: had a neck, had a neck injury. The medical personnel 814 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 1: pulled him off the board or pulled him down the board. 815 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,439 Speaker 1: That was a big part of his drop. The other 816 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,799 Speaker 1: one was the coaches got involved and said, oh, he 817 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,359 Speaker 1: can't run or he can't run the route tree, so 818 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,320 Speaker 1: we can't use him. He's just he's big, fast and stiff, 819 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 1: and this is gonna be Bishod paramount two point oh, 820 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 1: and it's it's uh, you know, we can't use him. 821 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,320 Speaker 1: So I would I would push back and say it 822 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,880 Speaker 1: was actually more coaching than it was scouting at that 823 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,200 Speaker 1: time with his evaluation. So here's the other thing. How 824 00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 1: can you go all in on a player who wasn't 825 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,960 Speaker 1: the number one receiver on his own team. A J. 826 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,840 Speaker 1: Brown was the number one receiver at Ole Miss. A J. 827 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,279 Speaker 1: Brown has been a star in this league too, but 828 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,520 Speaker 1: A J. Brown was the one who was the go 829 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 1: to player at Ole Miss whenever they needed anything. I 830 00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 1: think for DK mcalf, i'm glad you brought up the 831 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 1: injury because I think that gets swept under road. People 832 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,640 Speaker 1: don't understand how the medical part plays a role in 833 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,480 Speaker 1: the evaluation. I think the other thing that you brought up, 834 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,520 Speaker 1: Dk metcalf still doesn't run the entire route tree. You 835 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,120 Speaker 1: say that DK Metcalf reminded to Mary's Thomas, which I 836 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,600 Speaker 1: think is a great comparison. I would say that he 837 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 1: reminds me a little bit of Terrell Owens when Terrell 838 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,160 Speaker 1: Owens came into the league, when TiO came into the league. 839 00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,319 Speaker 1: He's t O and David Boston's body. That's who I'm mean. Like, 840 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 1: he's big, fast and physical, but anyone who looks at him, 841 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 1: he's a straight line playmaker. Meaning when we say straight 842 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,239 Speaker 1: line route runners, like a big guy that runs like 843 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,720 Speaker 1: DK Metcalf runs. And this is where the three cone 844 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,840 Speaker 1: comes into it with DK Metcalf. What you want to 845 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,920 Speaker 1: do with a player like that is you don't want 846 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 1: to ask them to stop and regenerate their speed all 847 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,800 Speaker 1: over again. So if you notice when DK Metcalf runs routes, 848 00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,360 Speaker 1: he typically only runs like three or four routes and 849 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,520 Speaker 1: they're all on the move. He'll run a hitch at 850 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,319 Speaker 1: various links, he will run a dig, he will run 851 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,080 Speaker 1: a deep over, he'll run a post a go, and 852 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 1: sometimes he will run a post corner. Those things typically 853 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:46,440 Speaker 1: don't ask you to stop, start and regenerate your speed 854 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,560 Speaker 1: all over, and so he's able to do that. The 855 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,480 Speaker 1: Clo Shawks have done a great job of taking him 856 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:55,000 Speaker 1: where he was as a college player and only asking 857 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,000 Speaker 1: him to do a limited amount of things that played 858 00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,520 Speaker 1: to his skill set. We talk about it in the 859 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:04,400 Speaker 1: Scout of community fit in scheme, how does the players 860 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:09,240 Speaker 1: talents fit in our scheme? DK Metcalf's talents fit well 861 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,759 Speaker 1: in this scheme. And I can't confidently say that if 862 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,440 Speaker 1: we took DK Metcalf and put him with the Minnesota 863 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,319 Speaker 1: Vikings or put him with the San Francisco forty nine 864 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,520 Speaker 1: or the Arizona Cardinals, that he would have the same 865 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,520 Speaker 1: level of success, because his game has some limitations when 866 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,040 Speaker 1: it comes to his route running ability. All right, I 867 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,120 Speaker 1: pulled up my report here and this now because I 868 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:33,880 Speaker 1: didn't know Rex said this, and I love Rex, I 869 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:35,320 Speaker 1: don't I don't know why. But the other thing, I 870 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:36,960 Speaker 1: have to give Rex a little bit of a benefit 871 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:38,719 Speaker 1: of the doubt here because Rex spent so much time 872 00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,719 Speaker 1: in Baltimore where the Scouts ran the draft, and so 873 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,560 Speaker 1: the Scouts had more and more control. So I guess 874 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,640 Speaker 1: he's trying to blame it. I've got great stories on 875 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,800 Speaker 1: Rex too, I'll tell you one after I read this report. Okay, 876 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,839 Speaker 1: so here's my DK Metcalf report. Buck, keep in mind 877 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,439 Speaker 1: what he's done stat wise, and how productive he's been, 878 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,440 Speaker 1: how great he's been. Right, and tell me where the 879 00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,000 Speaker 1: lie is as I go through this report. All right, 880 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,080 Speaker 1: Metcalf has a rare blend of size, speed, and athleticism. 881 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:07,560 Speaker 1: He's at his best on runaway routes, goes, slants, and posts. 882 00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,640 Speaker 1: He explodes off the ball in his release and use 883 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,279 Speaker 1: his big frame to wall off opponents on slants and 884 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,040 Speaker 1: vertical routes. He's a little choppy at the top of 885 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,800 Speaker 1: his route. When he's working back to the quarterback. Metcalf 886 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,759 Speaker 1: makes some spectacular one handed grabs, but he'll drop some 887 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,880 Speaker 1: passes due to lack of concentration. He's exceptional after the catch, 888 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,839 Speaker 1: breaking tackles and pulling away from defenders. Overall, Metcalf still 889 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,439 Speaker 1: has room to improve, but he's built like the Batman suit. 890 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,040 Speaker 1: He's extremely explosive, and he's tough. He'll be a matchup 891 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,720 Speaker 1: nightmare for opposing teams as soon as he steps foot 892 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,520 Speaker 1: on an NFL field. He was fully clear to participate 893 00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,920 Speaker 1: in the combine, but did suffer a serious neck injury 894 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,560 Speaker 1: last season, and it's a concern any time of player 895 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,920 Speaker 1: is coming back from that type of injury. Pre draft 896 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,719 Speaker 1: medical checks figure to play a big role in his evaluation. 897 00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,399 Speaker 1: Where's the lie? There is one like this, Like that's 898 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,840 Speaker 1: the thing like like DJ, so I'm looking at the 899 00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,839 Speaker 1: bill for the numbers, a three cone of seven, three eight, 900 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,360 Speaker 1: like anyone who has been in our industry when it 901 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,279 Speaker 1: comes to three cones and change the direction Like that's 902 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,040 Speaker 1: a high level of stiffness when it comes to like 903 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,960 Speaker 1: doing it. And I know, like, uh, scouts get picked 904 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,000 Speaker 1: apart or chastise about the drills and why the drills 905 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,760 Speaker 1: and why there's so much of an emphasis on the metrics, 906 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,479 Speaker 1: but it just highlights like, hey, he has a change 907 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:25,239 Speaker 1: of direction problem, Like he just doesn't change direction explosively 908 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,239 Speaker 1: or quickly when he has to go. And so when 909 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,800 Speaker 1: we talk about being a straight line player, the production 910 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,799 Speaker 1: that you talked about his final season five sixty nine yards, 911 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,840 Speaker 1: five touchdowns, Like that's fine, seven games, but he's injured, 912 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,120 Speaker 1: and so how do you go all in when we've 913 00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,760 Speaker 1: seen in that conference. Man, Remember he has been judged 914 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,640 Speaker 1: against the players that are also coming out of l 915 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,759 Speaker 1: S U and Alabama and all these other guys that 916 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,640 Speaker 1: we see come out of that league that are putting 917 00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,279 Speaker 1: up ridiculous numbers. And I'll go back to the A. J. 918 00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,800 Speaker 1: Brown conversation. A J. Brown played on the same team, 919 00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,320 Speaker 1: the same field with him opposite, and it clear in 920 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,520 Speaker 1: the parent that he was the focal point, the number 921 00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:07,399 Speaker 1: one receiver, and so sometimes ascuson evaluated. Man, it's hard 922 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,520 Speaker 1: to say that a guy who was the second receiver 923 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:12,520 Speaker 1: on his college team is gonna come in and be 924 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,239 Speaker 1: out number one receiver, like you kind of pegged them 925 00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:19,400 Speaker 1: as they've been deployed. So I had I had d 926 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,400 Speaker 1: KS one, he went sixty four. I had A J. 927 00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:27,120 Speaker 1: Brown is thirty six, he went fifty one. So you 928 00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,640 Speaker 1: can make and and and so I felt good about that, 929 00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,359 Speaker 1: the fact that I was much higher on both those 930 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:32,800 Speaker 1: guys and where they ended up getting picked. But you 931 00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:34,560 Speaker 1: can make a case that A. J. Brown was the 932 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,759 Speaker 1: worst miss that point if he didn't have any of 933 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,280 Speaker 1: those health issues and still didn't go to the fifty 934 00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,279 Speaker 1: first pick. And he's been outstanding. He's been outstanding, and 935 00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,640 Speaker 1: I think part of like part of like that. And 936 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,799 Speaker 1: I'll tell you, like having known A J. Since he 937 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,000 Speaker 1: was in high school. I think part of it was 938 00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,839 Speaker 1: he's still kind of a like he's a thicker kid 939 00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,040 Speaker 1: to be like six ft six one, like he's a 940 00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,800 Speaker 1: big I mean, rocked up or whatever, and I worried 941 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,000 Speaker 1: about out. I know he ran in the fourth forces. 942 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:03,400 Speaker 1: I think he ran in the fourth forces of the combat, 943 00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:07,160 Speaker 1: but I don't necessarily think he played fast. And to me, 944 00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,600 Speaker 1: he's been a bit of a revelation in Tennessee. Um 945 00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,720 Speaker 1: the way that he plays in terms of his ability 946 00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,440 Speaker 1: to run after the catch, because I don't know if 947 00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,600 Speaker 1: we saw that consistently at Old Miss. I don't know 948 00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,640 Speaker 1: if we saw him. Like, man, he's one of the 949 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,759 Speaker 1: leading yacht leaders, um since he's in of the league 950 00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,560 Speaker 1: in terms of like his ability to break down because 951 00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,920 Speaker 1: and do those things or whatever. And so look, man, 952 00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:32,239 Speaker 1: it's an in exact science. It's a lot easier when 953 00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,880 Speaker 1: you're evaluating pros already playing at the pro level versus 954 00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,440 Speaker 1: evaluating college players that you project, because the thing that 955 00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,880 Speaker 1: you can't predict is where they going, where are they 956 00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,839 Speaker 1: going to go, and how are they going to be utilized? 957 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,880 Speaker 1: And that impacts a lot of how people perform. All right, 958 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,880 Speaker 1: So I promise you one Rex story, and I love Rex, 959 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,000 Speaker 1: but there was a there was a year where we 960 00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,040 Speaker 1: hadn't needed a safety. We needed another safety. I think 961 00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,239 Speaker 1: we had just lost Will Demps to Houston and free agent. See, 962 00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:01,919 Speaker 1: so we got ed Read obviously the Hall of Famer 963 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:03,719 Speaker 1: back there, but we need another safety. So we had 964 00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:05,480 Speaker 1: our list, we had our board. Well, the way the 965 00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,160 Speaker 1: board was stacked, he had kind of kind of like 966 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,680 Speaker 1: a clump of safeties. Then there was a gap, and 967 00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,040 Speaker 1: then there was the next group. So he he was 968 00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:13,600 Speaker 1: adamant we had to get one of these guys in 969 00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,960 Speaker 1: this clump. Well, the way the board fell, we ended 970 00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,759 Speaker 1: up having somebody else another position higher rated. So we 971 00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,759 Speaker 1: end up not taking a safety at this point in time, 972 00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,560 Speaker 1: in the third, fourth round whatever it was. And uh 973 00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:25,560 Speaker 1: Rex is not the draft room. So he comes into 974 00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,320 Speaker 1: the draft room after the last safety in that original 975 00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,839 Speaker 1: clump was gone and said, I don't have I can't 976 00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:33,360 Speaker 1: I don't have a safety. I don't have anybody to 977 00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,440 Speaker 1: line up. And so he took like the card off 978 00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,839 Speaker 1: the off the board and threw it on the ground. 979 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:39,839 Speaker 1: It was like a big he made like a big scene. 980 00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:41,880 Speaker 1: It was like a big deal about how what are 981 00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:43,680 Speaker 1: we gonna do? What are we gonna do? And then 982 00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,799 Speaker 1: ironically I believe it was the sixth round. No, it 983 00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:50,600 Speaker 1: was the fifth round. So in our next clump of safeties, 984 00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,560 Speaker 1: we ended up taking Dawan Landry. Uh if you remember him, 985 00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:57,880 Speaker 1: remember Laurn Landry. This is brother, Yeah, big arms. So 986 00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,520 Speaker 1: we took him in the fifth round. Um, after Rex 987 00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,440 Speaker 1: had been so adamant that we, you know, wouldn't be 988 00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,759 Speaker 1: able to line up and play with anybody. Uh, and 989 00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,600 Speaker 1: he uh, he started for us for however many years. 990 00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,960 Speaker 1: He was with the Ravens for for five years, and 991 00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,440 Speaker 1: then Rex signed him with the Jets when he was 992 00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,719 Speaker 1: with the Jets uh as the head coach a few 993 00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,480 Speaker 1: years later. So it was just kind of funny that, yeah, 994 00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,960 Speaker 1: it worked out, okay, you know, like we have the 995 00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,040 Speaker 1: how you trust the board, you go off the board, 996 00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,279 Speaker 1: get the highest rated players, you'll be fine. But it 997 00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:26,640 Speaker 1: was like, we weren't gonna be able to line up 998 00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:28,799 Speaker 1: like the Baltimore Ravens. We've got Hall of famers all 999 00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:30,680 Speaker 1: over our defense, but if we did not get this 1000 00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:32,200 Speaker 1: one safety, we were not going to be able to 1001 00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:35,480 Speaker 1: line up. The defense was kind of what was intimated, 1002 00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,080 Speaker 1: and it was like, yeah, we're we're fine, We'll be okay. Uh. 1003 00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:40,719 Speaker 1: I mean, but that's uh, I mean, there's our coaches are. 1004 00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:42,440 Speaker 1: And I think that's why you have to be careful. 1005 00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,960 Speaker 1: It always has to be a delicate balance in the 1006 00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:49,480 Speaker 1: room because we have seen um coaches typically and it's 1007 00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,080 Speaker 1: funny that Rex would take that stand on the show 1008 00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,520 Speaker 1: that I watched him on. Coaches want the right now product, 1009 00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,799 Speaker 1: Like coaches typically don't want anything anything where you have 1010 00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,480 Speaker 1: to refine it or develop it a little bit. They 1011 00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,799 Speaker 1: typically want no parts of it. They want a thing 1012 00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,200 Speaker 1: that is ready made, right out the box, no instructions. 1013 00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:09,960 Speaker 1: Let's put him right on the field and he can 1014 00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,360 Speaker 1: go play and he can be an all star. It 1015 00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,920 Speaker 1: is rare that you find coaches that are like a coach, 1016 00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:17,439 Speaker 1: he can't do this, he can't do that, he needs 1017 00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,000 Speaker 1: some development, and they're like, oh coo cool, simn me 1018 00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,319 Speaker 1: if I can get them ready. Nope. They don't want 1019 00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,560 Speaker 1: to waste their time. And so it is always funny 1020 00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:25,920 Speaker 1: when we do that, and I don't think like when 1021 00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,120 Speaker 1: we do the DK make ever, how does it work 1022 00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,880 Speaker 1: out historically for all those teams where the head coach 1023 00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:32,960 Speaker 1: has the personnel power how does that work out in 1024 00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,440 Speaker 1: the draft? Traditionally, it doesn't. It doesn't work out well. 1025 00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,759 Speaker 1: It's rare that you have the ability to be a 1026 00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,400 Speaker 1: great X and OS tactician and also be a great 1027 00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,600 Speaker 1: personnel evaluator. Like for all of the great things that 1028 00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,200 Speaker 1: Bill Belichick has been able to do in his career, 1029 00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:50,960 Speaker 1: if you go back and look at his drafts, his 1030 00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:52,719 Speaker 1: drafts has not been stellar. And it's one of the 1031 00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:57,040 Speaker 1: reasons why the Patriots are currently sitting in the situation 1032 00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,239 Speaker 1: that they're in because they won't say they lean a 1033 00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,080 Speaker 1: lot of draft picks, but they miss evaluated a lot 1034 00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,680 Speaker 1: of guys that they were expected to be key contributors 1035 00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:09,600 Speaker 1: early early in their careers. Alright, any anything else we 1036 00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:10,960 Speaker 1: we tried to see if we could hold on we 1037 00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,200 Speaker 1: get a trade during this podcast, but it did not happen. 1038 00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:14,920 Speaker 1: So anything else you want to get before we get 1039 00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:16,680 Speaker 1: out of here? Buck, No, that's good. You've given me 1040 00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,719 Speaker 1: some stuff to talk about in the NOTEBOOKOK. This week, Yeah, 1041 00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,200 Speaker 1: we'll kind of see what kind of see what else 1042 00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:25,040 Speaker 1: what else we can do. I think the d k 1043 00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,960 Speaker 1: mckef and the Daniel Jones conversations are definitely going to 1044 00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,959 Speaker 1: be in the new book. It's like it's like righting 1045 00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,120 Speaker 1: a it's like writing a sketch for Saturday Night Live 1046 00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:35,600 Speaker 1: and thinking you might get a chance to get it 1047 00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,040 Speaker 1: in the show. So that that's big. Anything anytime we can, 1048 00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,640 Speaker 1: anytime we can workshop something in here on the pot 1049 00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,680 Speaker 1: that makes it into the notebook, it fires me up right. 1050 00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,399 Speaker 1: Let's let's let's jump out here again. Thank you guys 1051 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,120 Speaker 1: so much for hanging with us today. Fun conversation again. 1052 00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,840 Speaker 1: Always trying to learn a little something as we go along. Um, 1053 00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:53,680 Speaker 1: and look forward to being back on Thursday where a 1054 00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:55,640 Speaker 1: good buddy, Bruce Feltman is gonna join us here. It's 1055 00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,160 Speaker 1: got a new book out chronicling what happened at l S. 1056 00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,080 Speaker 1: You gonna hit him up with some questions on Oh 1057 00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:03,200 Speaker 1: Burrow and Justin Jefferson and Patrick Queen, all those guys 1058 00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,759 Speaker 1: we've seen play really well as rookie. So looking forward 1059 00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,680 Speaker 1: to catching up with Bruce on the next episode. That's 1060 00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:09,040 Speaker 1: gonna do it for us. Thank you guys for listening. 1061 00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:10,960 Speaker 1: We'll catch you next time. Right here. Move the Sticks 1062 00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:12,160 Speaker 1: presented by Zaxby's