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Speaker 1: Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is

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Speaker 1: a production of the NFL and iHeart Podcasts.

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Speaker 2: We got lost, just said.

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Speaker 3: We got lost, Just saved better and we hope you

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Speaker 3: stay because we got lost.

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Speaker 4: Just say, yeah, we.

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Speaker 3: Got lost, Just say.

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Speaker 2: Here's Bobby that.

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Speaker 3: They welcome to another week. And what's exciting is we

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Speaker 3: actually have football, not quite real football, but for the

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Speaker 3: first time we get to talk about football. Because people

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Speaker 3: may not know and you may not care, it's been

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Speaker 3: very difficult for us. Yeah, you should listen to our

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Speaker 3: sob story. We started with like two weeks left of football.

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Speaker 3: We've been grinding through non football for like three months.

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Speaker 5: Seriously, I feel like when we started it was just

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Speaker 5: getting to playoffs, which was not bad, but then the

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Speaker 5: Super Bowl ended and then it was all the off

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Speaker 5: season minutia right looking for septy. Can we please give it?

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Speaker 5: Give us somebody, somebody get arrested, somebody gets anything to

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Speaker 5: happen that we can talk about.

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Speaker 3: Top one hundred and fifteen football movies go. So we're

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Speaker 3: not doing that anymore. But I did mention it because

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Speaker 3: I don't wear shoes whenever we do really any show,

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Speaker 3: and so I'm always checking with Brandon like, are my feet?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't let the dogs in the shot. I

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Speaker 3: And he's like, not the shot, and then you go,

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Speaker 3: what's that on your foot? And it's it's a it's

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Speaker 3: a callous All the work I.

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Speaker 5: Do all the work right, it's hard work.

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Speaker 3: And you said you get it from walking on the beach.

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Speaker 3: I don't like the beach. I'm not a beach guy all.

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Speaker 4: How do you not like the beach? The beach is

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Speaker 4: majestic water, the waves around a beach. I did grow

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Speaker 3: I grew up in Arkansas.

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Speaker 5: Oh, Arkansas doesn't have a beach.

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Speaker 3: We have no beaches.

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Speaker 5: You just have lakes everywhere.

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Speaker 4: We have late lakes, lakes are you Are you a

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Speaker 3: I'm very much a late guy, more than an ocean guy,

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Speaker 3: because I don't know what's in the ocean. Also it's

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Speaker 3: too salty. Also it's too wavy.

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Speaker 5: Well that's the whole point. You get a bookie board

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Speaker 5: or you get a surfboard and you.

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Speaker 3: Go out there and you get swim against it.

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 5: You gotta be athletic. I mean, look at your shoes,

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Speaker 5: For God's sakes you. Obviously you do some kind of labor.

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Speaker 4: You gotta out there. You got to earn it. That's

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Speaker 3: I like a lake if I can get on a

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Speaker 4: Awake, surf, yeah, even the tubing.

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Speaker 3: Any of that. Yeah, But I don't like to be

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Speaker 4: You know, you don't like to lay out in your

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Speaker 5: And just youre as ten i've ever seen, do you

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Speaker 5: know what? Yesterday was a lazy day around the pool.

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Speaker 5: Laid out my wife. She's got that Mediterranean olive skin.

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Speaker 5: I laid out just right next to her. We talked

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Speaker 5: all that stuff. I was a lobster last night. I

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Speaker 3: Because I don't burn at all.

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Speaker 5: I just hadn't been out in the sun since I've

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Speaker 4: But I went for it yesterday. I definitely got the base.

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Speaker 3: What do you do at the pool?

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Speaker 4: What do we do?

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Speaker 3: What do you do? I don't even know what to

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Speaker 3: do here. We have a pool. Five minutes in, I'm like,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we jump in.

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Speaker 5: Plus I've got all the kids right, so I'm throwing

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Speaker 5: It's a wrestling match. It's don't splash each other, it's

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Speaker 3: Okay, it's an activity.

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Speaker 4: It's an activity. And I even went So.

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Speaker 5: We have this old playground set down by my barn,

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Speaker 5: most hillbilly water slide you've ever seen. But my daughter

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Speaker 5: it right by the pool. Dude, it is so ghetto.

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Speaker 5: It's awesome.

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Speaker 3: That's awesome.

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Speaker 3: Uh TJ, who's Majordic coming on a little bit.

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Speaker 3: And so I was a big fan. I was a

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Speaker 3: Bengals fan growing up because and I've mentioned this before,

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Speaker 3: Boomerasism was left handed. That was the guy gravitated too.

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Speaker 3: Because whenever I was very young, much like yourself, we're

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Speaker 3: very similar. I was a quarterback. Yeah, until like sixth grade.

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Speaker 5: I was a quarterback, lefty slinging it and always came

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Speaker 4: Yeah, always came out a little different mind week.

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Speaker 5: No, but you were but you were on time, you

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Speaker 3: I was the sixth grade we ran a lot. That's

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Speaker 3: so that meant Chad Johnson early days.

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Speaker 3: Did you ever play against him a college?

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Speaker 5: We did so in two thousand and one, we went

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Speaker 5: up to Corvallas. It was the third week of the season.

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Speaker 5: We were ranked like eight in the country or something

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Speaker 5: a small stadium. These people are on top of you,

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Speaker 5: they're yelling at you, and they rushed the field and

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Speaker 5: they're all just talking crap to us on the field.

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Speaker 5: I'll never forget that because I was like, what is

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Speaker 4: But they beat us.

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Speaker 5: But that's the same year that they went on I

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Speaker 5: Notre Dame in the Festa Bowl, like forty one to nine.

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Speaker 5: They had a great team and ended up going way

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Speaker 5: didn't think of Oregon State as a powerhouse. They also

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Speaker 5: he was a young quarterback on that team. But they

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Speaker 3: How many times were you on the field where it

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Speaker 5: Let's see, I mean that was one that I can remember.

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Speaker 5: I think Washington State might have upset us at one point.

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Speaker 4: They rushed it.

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Speaker 5: Anytime we went somewhere and we got upset, more.

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Speaker 4: Likely they're rushing the field like it was just weird.

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Speaker 3: Is it weird to see everybody come pouring in.

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Speaker 5: It's crazy because you know it's these obnoxious nerdy fans

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Speaker 5: like the selfies, because now you see everybody, they're running out.

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Speaker 5: They're all filming themselves. Even when we're on Tennessee beat Alabama.

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Speaker 5: I had a bunch of buddies go that game with

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Speaker 4: Back then, it was just like a party on the field.

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Speaker 5: And then they're going up, you know, hugging, loving their

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Speaker 4: So it was it's always wild when you see something

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Speaker 3: What kind of sucks now because I stormed a couple

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Speaker 3: because of the phones, right, Like they'll go up and

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Speaker 3: What kind of clout are you chasing?

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Speaker 5: I know, it's it's the most obnoxious thing when fans

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Speaker 4: It's a hard fought game.

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Speaker 5: I'll never forget when remember when le Garrett Blunt at

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Speaker 5: Preregon and it was boys, wasn't it Boison State or

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Speaker 5: They lost, and that dude was coming up to talk

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Speaker 5: Smack and he cold cocked him. I was like, like, done,

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Speaker 5: That's what most players want to do, right, you want

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Speaker 3: Do you play with Blunt at all in New England?

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Speaker 5: No? I did not.

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Speaker 4: He was after me.

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Speaker 3: He seems like a guy that would call anybody.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he was one of those intimidating figures. I've been

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Speaker 5: Due where you're like, you better just kind of like

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Speaker 3: Yeah I don't either.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, kind of intimidating that. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: A couple things. So what we're doing this week we

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Speaker 3: haven't done yet is we each have a few things

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Speaker 3: we haven't shared with the other person yet. What we're

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Speaker 3: gonna bring, Yeah, we're gonna persist. So we'll just go

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Speaker 3: one one one beautiful for that and who's Mazzada will

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Speaker 3: come on? We'll probably break it up halfway through. But

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Speaker 3: would you like to go first? Sure, go ahead.

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Speaker 4: What do you have? Well, I think I'm going to

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Speaker 4: start with the Giants.

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Speaker 5: I thought Jackson Dart he got an opportunity to go

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Speaker 5: kid is going to be pretty something special. I mean,

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Speaker 5: the ball comes out, he's got a quick delivery. He

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Speaker 5: made a throw under pressure, the twenty nine yard touchdown

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Speaker 5: pass the little Jordan Humphrey in the corner, which again,

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Speaker 5: sometimes these players are going to break down, particularly in

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Speaker 5: preseason when maybe you don't have your starting line in

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Speaker 5: there all the time, but you're gonna get pressure. How

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Speaker 4: And I thought he made a great throw.

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Speaker 5: It was a precision throw on a go route down

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Speaker 5: the field exactly where you want to put it. So

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Speaker 5: I just think that he showed a lot in his

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Speaker 5: are excited about him. He also has that mobility and

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Speaker 5: he's that dual threat quarterback because you saw it in

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Speaker 5: college as well. Right, he can make all the throws

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Speaker 5: And you saw him make a few really good scrambles

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Speaker 5: get himself out of trouble. So all in all, in

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Speaker 5: these preseason games, you just want to see Number one

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Speaker 3: He played literally six naps, literally.

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Speaker 5: Here's advising you to go and spend basically four years

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Speaker 4: And you know, maybe he's betting on himself, but still.

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Speaker 3: Bet on yourself. With a three million million dollars condo.

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Speaker 4: He's taking the subway just oh my practice.

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Speaker 4: He really he did his homework on him.

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Speaker 5: He had a relationship with Lane Kiffin going back to Alabama,

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Speaker 5: And I think that the GM ownership understand that he's

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Speaker 3: Mine are I have three different players that I watched

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Speaker 3: Dion, No, it was I know, but I'm just saying

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Speaker 3: He had a good game.

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Speaker 5: He killed it.

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Speaker 3: He had a good game. Here's the thing, it's gonna

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Speaker 4: You have to temper expectations when you're.

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Speaker 3: There's no tempering with Shuldar and I think it's Super Bowl.

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Speaker 5: Dylan Gabriel, You're not splitting time with anybody, but you

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Speaker 5: I think he did just that. He showed that he

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Speaker 5: I think all around, it was just a solid performance

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Speaker 3: And you can go, well, it was against the twos

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Speaker 4: Were too bad. They didn't play their starters either.

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Speaker 3: Right, So I was pumped for them, But that pendulum

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Speaker 5: One hundred percent because they're going to have to get

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Speaker 5: can do as well. So it's going to be much

441
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Speaker 5: different going moving forward.

442
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Speaker 3: Talk to me about what's happening in the mind of

443
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Speaker 3: somebody when they're watching a quarterback that they're in a

444
00:17:36,215 --> 00:17:38,936
Speaker 3: close competition with play really great, because I got to think,

445
00:17:39,136 --> 00:17:41,296
Speaker 3: if you're doing Gabriel, you're like stupid hamstring, I don't

446
00:17:41,296 --> 00:17:42,055
Speaker 3: even get a chance.

447
00:17:42,376 --> 00:17:42,536
Speaker 4: Right.

448
00:17:42,656 --> 00:17:45,736
Speaker 5: It's tough, man, because the competitor inside of you want

449
00:17:45,776 --> 00:17:47,735
Speaker 5: to wants to be out on the field, and when

450
00:17:47,776 --> 00:17:49,896
Speaker 5: you're hurt in your sideline and there's nothing you can

451
00:17:49,936 --> 00:17:51,936
Speaker 5: do about it. You're at the mercy of just watching

452
00:17:51,936 --> 00:17:54,296
Speaker 5: somebody else play, and you hate to see somebody else

453
00:17:54,376 --> 00:17:57,376
Speaker 5: doing your job, especially when you know this is an

454
00:17:57,376 --> 00:17:59,336
Speaker 5: opportunity for me to get out there, but I can't.

455
00:18:00,256 --> 00:18:03,336
Speaker 5: You want to play that happy medium of you're happy

456
00:18:03,376 --> 00:18:05,616
Speaker 5: for somebody, and I think that everybody he has a

457
00:18:05,616 --> 00:18:08,376
Speaker 5: different personality, But the competitor inside of you're like, god,

458
00:18:08,495 --> 00:18:10,296
Speaker 5: dang it, I want to be out there, and now

459
00:18:10,336 --> 00:18:12,016
Speaker 5: I know I've got to step my game up.

460
00:18:12,136 --> 00:18:13,416
Speaker 4: But that's what competition does.

461
00:18:13,416 --> 00:18:16,856
Speaker 5: And every facet of sports is are you going to

462
00:18:16,936 --> 00:18:19,215
Speaker 5: rise to the occasion, Is it going to make you better?

463
00:18:19,256 --> 00:18:20,896
Speaker 4: And are you going to step up to the competition.

464
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Speaker 3: My other one in this first little segment here is

465
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Speaker 3: Cam wore. I watched every snap. The first drive wasn't great,

466
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Speaker 3: This wasn't great in general. Right, I hate to say this,

467
00:18:29,896 --> 00:18:32,256
Speaker 3: he's awesome. I hate to say it because it's preseason

468
00:18:32,296 --> 00:18:34,255
Speaker 3: game one and I don't want to wrap myself in

469
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Speaker 3: a tortilla of hype. Yeah he's awesome.

470
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I was fired up. I mean because you saw

471
00:18:39,256 --> 00:18:41,255
Speaker 5: him come back that second series. The first series he

472
00:18:41,296 --> 00:18:43,975
Speaker 5: was oh for two, missed a few throws, then go, well, okay,

473
00:18:43,975 --> 00:18:46,096
Speaker 5: you're a how do you respond? He comes right back

474
00:18:46,136 --> 00:18:49,016
Speaker 5: out and starts seating the ball. He finds Calvin, Ridley's

475
00:18:49,096 --> 00:18:52,336
Speaker 5: number one wide receiver, the deep crow route over the middle.

476
00:18:52,495 --> 00:18:54,936
Speaker 5: He threw the ball to the sideline to sideline. On

477
00:18:54,975 --> 00:18:56,936
Speaker 5: the out route, he hit Calvin, and then the crossing

478
00:18:56,975 --> 00:19:00,096
Speaker 5: route was probably his best throw, right right by the

479
00:19:00,136 --> 00:19:03,096
Speaker 5: linebacker and right before the safety came down. I mean,

480
00:19:03,576 --> 00:19:05,416
Speaker 5: you could see the arm strength, you could see the

481
00:19:05,455 --> 00:19:09,576
Speaker 5: pocket presence. It was exciting to watch, just because Tennessee

482
00:19:09,616 --> 00:19:11,776
Speaker 5: hasn't had a guy like that to get excited about

483
00:19:11,816 --> 00:19:15,176
Speaker 5: in a long time. And again he's been underrated. Nobody's

484
00:19:15,215 --> 00:19:17,495
Speaker 5: talking about cam Ward. But to go out and have

485
00:19:17,576 --> 00:19:19,335
Speaker 5: that first outing with a team like that, it's got

486
00:19:19,376 --> 00:19:20,975
Speaker 5: to give them a lot of excitement.

487
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Speaker 3: When he would drop back, he would drop back twelve

488
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Speaker 3: to thirteen year old.

489
00:19:24,696 --> 00:19:25,816
Speaker 4: Yeah, he had a lot of depth.

490
00:19:26,336 --> 00:19:28,656
Speaker 3: So and I remember listening to Peyton Manning talking about

491
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Speaker 3: how he didn't like to drop back that far because

492
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Speaker 3: it gave the defensive backs.

493
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Speaker 4: The defensive ends coming around that.

494
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Speaker 5: That's what it was.

495
00:19:34,336 --> 00:19:37,015
Speaker 3: So the ends could get around the edge because you're

496
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Speaker 3: back farther right, So it made it easier for them

497
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Speaker 3: to get back. What are your thoughts on that, Well.

498
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Speaker 5: I think if you're going to take that type of

499
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Speaker 5: drop step right, if you're getting to ten to twelve yards,

500
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Speaker 5: you have to be ready to put your foot in

501
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Speaker 5: the ground and step up in the pocket because what

502
00:19:50,776 --> 00:19:53,335
Speaker 5: they're trying to do, you're trying to secure the interior

503
00:19:53,376 --> 00:19:55,496
Speaker 5: part of your pocket with your guards and your center right,

504
00:19:55,576 --> 00:19:58,016
Speaker 5: and those guys are super important because if you get

505
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Speaker 5: pushed back, you feel that in your face right, and

506
00:20:00,296 --> 00:20:03,176
Speaker 5: you're trying to work those guys around the edge. And

507
00:20:03,215 --> 00:20:05,855
Speaker 5: so when you're getting any more than of yards, are

508
00:20:05,856 --> 00:20:08,136
Speaker 5: you're staying at that that's a really hard task on

509
00:20:08,215 --> 00:20:11,336
Speaker 5: those tackles to keep them from getting to you at

510
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Speaker 5: that point. So you've got to be able to drill

511
00:20:14,136 --> 00:20:15,696
Speaker 5: where you get to twelve, but you're going to put

512
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Speaker 5: you foot in the ground and immediately get back into

513
00:20:17,455 --> 00:20:20,696
Speaker 5: that pocket, that secure pocket of protection. So you've got

514
00:20:20,735 --> 00:20:23,056
Speaker 5: to be careful about that because the more you get

515
00:20:23,096 --> 00:20:25,536
Speaker 5: back these guys like we just saw, we talked about

516
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Speaker 5: a guy like abdel Carr, he's just going to run

517
00:20:27,336 --> 00:20:28,735
Speaker 5: around the edge and he's going to beat you to

518
00:20:28,776 --> 00:20:30,975
Speaker 5: that spot and that's where the strip sacks and all

519
00:20:30,975 --> 00:20:33,055
Speaker 5: that stuff happens. So it's all about drill work and

520
00:20:33,296 --> 00:20:37,136
Speaker 5: also the coaching and what you're being told by that

521
00:20:37,215 --> 00:20:40,096
Speaker 5: quarterback coach or offensive coordinator of how much depth they

522
00:20:40,136 --> 00:20:42,656
Speaker 5: want to get and what they're being drilled on to

523
00:20:42,696 --> 00:20:44,376
Speaker 5: step back up into the pocket of protection.

524
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Speaker 3: The other thing that I have here is cam Little.

525
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Speaker 3: It's a seventy yard field goal. It was amazing.

526
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Speaker 4: I didn't even see that.

527
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Speaker 3: Yeah, from the forty five he kicked a seventy yard

528
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Speaker 3: field goal. It was four yards more than what the

529
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Speaker 3: record is. Although it's not a record because it's the preseason.

530
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Speaker 4: Right, I give him the record though.

531
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Speaker 3: It was so and I think he could he could

532
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Speaker 3: have been back five more yards.

533
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was easy.

534
00:21:05,376 --> 00:21:08,016
Speaker 3: I didn't like, barely make it over the crossball.

535
00:21:08,096 --> 00:21:08,856
Speaker 4: That's unbelievable.

536
00:21:08,856 --> 00:21:11,215
Speaker 3: I messaged him and I said, I was going to

537
00:21:11,256 --> 00:21:11,696
Speaker 3: read you this.

538
00:21:12,735 --> 00:21:14,456
Speaker 4: You messaged him. He taught Bobby I had a kick,

539
00:21:14,495 --> 00:21:15,496
Speaker 4: but yeah, years ago.

540
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Speaker 3: I did a whole Really, he kicked at Arkansas?

541
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Speaker 5: Did you did you kick without your shoes on? No?

542
00:21:20,016 --> 00:21:23,215
Speaker 4: I can't kick, you can't No, come on, you're on all?

543
00:21:23,376 --> 00:21:24,336
Speaker 5: Are you a lefty? Kicker.

544
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Speaker 3: I don't know that kick with both feeks. I don't know.

545
00:21:27,376 --> 00:21:29,255
Speaker 4: I'm I don't even know what I am.

546
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Speaker 3: I am such a bat. I couldn't kick and it

547
00:21:32,056 --> 00:21:34,416
Speaker 3: was terrible. And he gave me some notes and we

548
00:21:34,455 --> 00:21:36,136
Speaker 3: worked on it. But so I messaged him.

549
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Speaker 4: I, so, did you actually make some field goals?

550
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm talking about it was like nineteen sixty

551
00:21:39,816 --> 00:21:42,056
Speaker 3: style where you take three steps back and then kick

552
00:21:42,096 --> 00:21:45,296
Speaker 3: it straight forward like Charlie Brown with your tail. Yeah. Basically,

553
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Speaker 3: I said, did that seventy yard or feel like you

554
00:21:48,656 --> 00:21:50,336
Speaker 3: were going to make it right off the foot or

555
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Speaker 3: did you have to stare it down?

556
00:21:51,696 --> 00:21:52,215
Speaker 5: Yeah?

557
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Speaker 3: Because again it's seventy seventy yards, he wrote. He texted

558
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Speaker 3: me back he said, I definitely had to stare it down,

559
00:21:57,936 --> 00:22:00,616
Speaker 3: no doubt, knew it was straight, did not know if

560
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Speaker 3: it had the leg laughy laughing emoji emoji.

561
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Speaker 5: Incredible, incredible seven ty yards is a I mean, an

562
00:22:08,096 --> 00:22:10,215
Speaker 5: absolutely sonster. It's it's ridiculous.

563
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Speaker 3: Okay, we're gonna come back. TJ. Huge Manzada coming up.

564
00:22:13,536 --> 00:22:15,176
Speaker 3: We'll talk to him and we'll go back and forth

565
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Speaker 3: a little more as well. Right back in a second,

566
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Speaker 3: coming up now, TJ. Hooge Manzada, we'll talk his career,

567
00:22:36,056 --> 00:22:37,976
Speaker 3: we'll talk what he's doing now. As far as him

568
00:22:37,975 --> 00:22:40,656
Speaker 3: and Snoop that have a flight football league, but played

569
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Speaker 3: junior college. Is it Crito's college, Torino's that's kind of

570
00:22:44,696 --> 00:22:47,536
Speaker 3: your Yeah, that's my neck of the woods. Played junior college,

571
00:22:47,696 --> 00:22:49,616
Speaker 3: then went to Oregon State. We talked about that a

572
00:22:49,656 --> 00:22:52,535
Speaker 3: little bit with Matt earlier. And then from there, I

573
00:22:52,576 --> 00:22:55,496
Speaker 3: went to Cincinnati, played with the Raiders, played with the Ravens.

574
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Speaker 5: He went to I think he signed a big deal

575
00:22:57,376 --> 00:22:59,456
Speaker 5: with Seattle but was only there for like a year

576
00:23:00,536 --> 00:23:03,696
Speaker 5: and then Ravens. Raiders went back and reunited with Carson

577
00:23:03,735 --> 00:23:05,255
Speaker 5: when he was with the Raiders late and I think

578
00:23:05,455 --> 00:23:08,735
Speaker 5: that was his last stop. But I think most people

579
00:23:08,735 --> 00:23:11,495
Speaker 5: would recognize him for him his days as a Cincinnati Bengal.

580
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Speaker 3: How do you know him?

581
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Speaker 4: You know what?

582
00:23:13,495 --> 00:23:15,176
Speaker 5: We used to work out all the time in the

583
00:23:15,215 --> 00:23:17,536
Speaker 5: offseason because of the connection. He's a so cow guy,

584
00:23:18,016 --> 00:23:20,696
Speaker 5: so we'd go out and throw together and obviously Carson

585
00:23:20,735 --> 00:23:23,376
Speaker 5: being out there as well, so we used to work

586
00:23:23,416 --> 00:23:25,576
Speaker 5: out a lot and we'd bring wide receivers out and

587
00:23:25,656 --> 00:23:29,096
Speaker 5: he was impressive to watch man. He was he's intense

588
00:23:29,136 --> 00:23:31,176
Speaker 5: and you'll probably notice it in the interview. He's just

589
00:23:31,455 --> 00:23:35,376
Speaker 5: he's an intense guy, but he loves football. He was

590
00:23:35,416 --> 00:23:37,376
Speaker 5: one of those guys that was always teaching the younger

591
00:23:37,376 --> 00:23:39,975
Speaker 5: guys what to do, working on his releases, all that stuff.

592
00:23:40,016 --> 00:23:41,696
Speaker 5: It was just a pleasure to always be around him,

593
00:23:41,696 --> 00:23:43,696
Speaker 5: and he always was fun to work with because he

594
00:23:43,975 --> 00:23:44,736
Speaker 5: took it seriously.

595
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Speaker 4: What did you call him, TJ?

596
00:23:48,056 --> 00:23:50,256
Speaker 5: But behind his back it was who's your Mama? Because

597
00:23:50,256 --> 00:23:52,376
Speaker 5: it was just TJ.

598
00:23:52,495 --> 00:24:01,816
Speaker 3: Who's your mama? All right here he is TJ? Whoji Manzada? Hey, TJ.

599
00:24:01,856 --> 00:24:03,696
Speaker 3: We really appreciate you coming on. I do want to

600
00:24:03,696 --> 00:24:06,176
Speaker 3: start with this because Matt was just talking about playing

601
00:24:06,176 --> 00:24:08,056
Speaker 3: you guys at Oregon State when you guys rushed the field.

602
00:24:08,256 --> 00:24:10,376
Speaker 3: What are your what do you remember that game when

603
00:24:10,376 --> 00:24:12,735
Speaker 3: you guys beat USC and the crowd came rumbling in.

604
00:24:13,016 --> 00:24:15,176
Speaker 5: It was like two thousand and one. You guys had

605
00:24:15,215 --> 00:24:18,016
Speaker 5: Stephen Jackson, you Ocho. We played you like the third

606
00:24:18,016 --> 00:24:19,495
Speaker 5: game of the season. We came up there. We were

607
00:24:19,536 --> 00:24:23,936
Speaker 5: ranked like eighth in the country, and you guys remember us,

608
00:24:23,975 --> 00:24:25,295
Speaker 5: and they rushed the field.

609
00:24:26,416 --> 00:24:29,975
Speaker 2: I remember that and part of the game that I

610
00:24:30,016 --> 00:24:34,376
Speaker 2: do remember was when Carson threw a pick and our

611
00:24:34,416 --> 00:24:37,535
Speaker 2: safety intercepted the ball and you guys were going in

612
00:24:37,576 --> 00:24:40,335
Speaker 2: the score. And I don't know why I remember this,

613
00:24:41,256 --> 00:24:45,056
Speaker 2: do Carson ran our safety down our safety he was

614
00:24:46,296 --> 00:24:48,295
Speaker 2: out in the open like it would have been one

615
00:24:48,336 --> 00:24:50,656
Speaker 2: hundred years return. Carson called him in like the twenty

616
00:24:50,735 --> 00:24:53,616
Speaker 2: or fifteen yard line and I was like, oh, Carson

617
00:24:53,656 --> 00:24:57,495
Speaker 2: can't really run. Yes, I do remember that. It was

618
00:24:57,536 --> 00:25:00,416
Speaker 2: a great thing because I was on my way to USC.

619
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Speaker 2: Obviously that didn't happen. I go to Oregon State and

620
00:25:05,656 --> 00:25:10,255
Speaker 2: Oregon Stateium I believe it was twenty twenty seven or

621
00:25:10,296 --> 00:25:12,376
Speaker 2: thirty years they hadn't had to win a season, and

622
00:25:12,455 --> 00:25:16,495
Speaker 2: so I think once we're able to beat a program

623
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Speaker 2: like USC, that's why everybody rush the field because they

624
00:25:19,735 --> 00:25:21,535
Speaker 2: were like, oh, this may be something special. And it

625
00:25:21,576 --> 00:25:23,975
Speaker 2: wasn't anything special that year, but that was the first

626
00:25:23,975 --> 00:25:27,656
Speaker 2: winning season in probably three decades. It was the following

627
00:25:27,735 --> 00:25:29,016
Speaker 2: year where we kind of took off.

628
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Speaker 5: Yeah, that was incredible. Let's talk about that. So you

629
00:25:32,455 --> 00:25:34,496
Speaker 5: go to Oregon State, you get drafted in the seventh round.

630
00:25:34,495 --> 00:25:38,656
Speaker 5: Preseason just started. Talk to me about your mentality and

631
00:25:38,856 --> 00:25:42,136
Speaker 5: how preseason was important for you coming in to make

632
00:25:42,176 --> 00:25:45,056
Speaker 5: a name for yourself and earn a spot on the team,

633
00:25:45,056 --> 00:25:46,855
Speaker 5: and how important it is for all these young players.

634
00:25:48,656 --> 00:25:52,736
Speaker 2: Matt, you know this all too well, man, when you're

635
00:25:52,856 --> 00:25:55,136
Speaker 2: draft it's so funny. I don't know why I have

636
00:25:55,215 --> 00:25:59,136
Speaker 2: all these stories to tell, right, But I trained a

637
00:25:59,136 --> 00:26:02,095
Speaker 2: lot of guys for the Combine, and so one of

638
00:26:02,096 --> 00:26:06,376
Speaker 2: my players I'm not going to say his name, that

639
00:26:06,416 --> 00:26:09,296
Speaker 2: I've been working with, he felt like he didn't play

640
00:26:09,376 --> 00:26:14,496
Speaker 2: well this past weekend. It's like, oh, man, I had

641
00:26:14,656 --> 00:26:16,816
Speaker 2: X amount of boss thrown to me. I only caught

642
00:26:16,816 --> 00:26:18,975
Speaker 2: half of them. One of them I really should have caught.

643
00:26:19,016 --> 00:26:22,616
Speaker 2: I don't know what's going to happen, and I'm really

644
00:26:22,616 --> 00:26:26,136
Speaker 2: blunt with them. These preseason games matter so much. I said,

645
00:26:26,176 --> 00:26:31,255
Speaker 2: when you're drafted late, all you want is opportunity singular.

646
00:26:32,896 --> 00:26:37,736
Speaker 2: We may not get opportunities plural, and so I'm like,

647
00:26:38,495 --> 00:26:40,536
Speaker 2: you got to get over you got to take advantage

648
00:26:40,536 --> 00:26:43,376
Speaker 2: your opportunities. You may not get another one. And you're

649
00:26:43,376 --> 00:26:46,336
Speaker 2: gonna kick yourself and out because you're dropping balls that

650
00:26:46,416 --> 00:26:48,576
Speaker 2: you should catch. And yeah they may be fifty to fifty,

651
00:26:48,896 --> 00:26:51,255
Speaker 2: but you got to make those catches. These preseason games

652
00:26:51,256 --> 00:26:56,416
Speaker 2: for guys like myself and the guys that were drafted

653
00:26:56,495 --> 00:26:59,455
Speaker 2: late or you're at the bottom of the depth chart,

654
00:27:00,296 --> 00:27:03,176
Speaker 2: you have to take advantage of opportunities. Don't give me

655
00:27:03,215 --> 00:27:05,775
Speaker 2: the bs. Oh Man, the coach doesn't like me. Man.

656
00:27:05,816 --> 00:27:07,495
Speaker 2: Every coach wants to win because when they win, they

657
00:27:07,536 --> 00:27:09,336
Speaker 2: make more money. They make more money, They got to

658
00:27:09,376 --> 00:27:13,416
Speaker 2: smile on their face. And so I love the preseason games.

659
00:27:13,455 --> 00:27:15,416
Speaker 2: I don't like them. I don't want them to do

660
00:27:15,455 --> 00:27:17,416
Speaker 2: away with the games. I want them to keep the

661
00:27:17,455 --> 00:27:21,896
Speaker 2: games going because there's always guys that they're just gamers.

662
00:27:22,056 --> 00:27:24,215
Speaker 2: They may not look get in practice, but they play

663
00:27:24,296 --> 00:27:26,055
Speaker 2: well in the game. And you got guys that are

664
00:27:26,096 --> 00:27:28,816
Speaker 2: all American practice players and they can't do in the game.

665
00:27:29,495 --> 00:27:33,616
Speaker 2: And so I love the preseason. I love watching it.

666
00:27:33,616 --> 00:27:35,976
Speaker 2: It's good for players that just are trying to get

667
00:27:35,975 --> 00:27:37,055
Speaker 2: a footing in the league.

668
00:27:37,416 --> 00:27:39,216
Speaker 3: Are some of those guys that are going in five, six,

669
00:27:39,256 --> 00:27:41,496
Speaker 3: and seven, or maybe most of those guys are They

670
00:27:41,536 --> 00:27:43,736
Speaker 3: not only trying to prove they can play their position,

671
00:27:43,776 --> 00:27:45,856
Speaker 3: but they're also going, hey, I can also be used

672
00:27:45,896 --> 00:27:47,816
Speaker 3: on special teams or any way you need me. Please

673
00:27:47,896 --> 00:27:50,416
Speaker 3: let me show you during a game.

674
00:27:52,495 --> 00:27:55,536
Speaker 2: Obviously, yes, and I you know, you got to go

675
00:27:55,696 --> 00:27:58,696
Speaker 2: talk to the special teams coach. What do I have

676
00:27:58,816 --> 00:28:01,896
Speaker 2: to do to make this team? You tell me, if

677
00:28:01,936 --> 00:28:03,535
Speaker 2: I got to run through this wall, I'm running through

678
00:28:03,576 --> 00:28:04,976
Speaker 2: the walk. What do I have to do to make

679
00:28:05,016 --> 00:28:09,856
Speaker 2: the team? Special teams now it's different. It wasn't when

680
00:28:09,856 --> 00:28:13,815
Speaker 2: I was playing. It was, Hey, you wanted to on

681
00:28:13,816 --> 00:28:16,136
Speaker 2: a wedge. You're splitting them. You're not turning your body.

682
00:28:16,136 --> 00:28:18,015
Speaker 2: You're putting your face mash right in the middle of them.

683
00:28:18,056 --> 00:28:19,856
Speaker 2: You want to write down and do not turn your body.

684
00:28:20,336 --> 00:28:25,096
Speaker 2: It's so different. The safety awareness kickoffs now are going

685
00:28:25,096 --> 00:28:28,255
Speaker 2: to the thirty five, so I believe that will entice

686
00:28:28,336 --> 00:28:31,056
Speaker 2: more returns. But when you're a receiver, unless you're a

687
00:28:31,136 --> 00:28:35,815
Speaker 2: bigger receiver, you got to make it as a receiver.

688
00:28:35,975 --> 00:28:39,575
Speaker 2: A donner special teams. I just don't know if it

689
00:28:39,656 --> 00:28:44,456
Speaker 2: has as much of an impact now as when we

690
00:28:44,456 --> 00:28:46,936
Speaker 2: were playing, just because of the rules and trying to

691
00:28:46,976 --> 00:28:48,216
Speaker 2: make sure everybody is safer.

692
00:28:49,016 --> 00:28:49,216
Speaker 3: Tej.

693
00:28:49,456 --> 00:28:51,176
Speaker 5: I mean, I remember in an off season we used

694
00:28:51,216 --> 00:28:53,976
Speaker 5: to work out, and I always was an awe of

695
00:28:54,096 --> 00:28:56,575
Speaker 5: how you'd come out in new professionalism and how you

696
00:28:56,576 --> 00:28:59,096
Speaker 5: would approach just even throwing sessions right.

697
00:28:59,136 --> 00:29:01,496
Speaker 4: You'd always work in your craft and go out.

698
00:29:02,416 --> 00:29:05,656
Speaker 5: Talk to me about when you knew that you had

699
00:29:05,656 --> 00:29:08,336
Speaker 5: finally kind of arrived in the league and that you're

700
00:29:08,416 --> 00:29:11,816
Speaker 5: going to have some sustainability, because I know that early on,

701
00:29:12,016 --> 00:29:14,336
Speaker 5: early on for all of us, right, we're all fighting

702
00:29:14,376 --> 00:29:17,056
Speaker 5: for that little crumb and trying to make make a statement.

703
00:29:17,056 --> 00:29:19,696
Speaker 5: But when did you realize, like, Okay, I belong, I'm

704
00:29:19,736 --> 00:29:22,936
Speaker 5: here for the long haul. Man.

705
00:29:22,936 --> 00:29:24,976
Speaker 2: Man, this is gonna sound cocky as hell, Man, I

706
00:29:25,016 --> 00:29:32,136
Speaker 2: love it. Hey, after my first practice, Ricky Mini camp, Well,

707
00:29:32,136 --> 00:29:34,296
Speaker 2: it wasn't Ricky Mini Camp, it was everybody. It was

708
00:29:34,376 --> 00:29:38,096
Speaker 2: right after the draft. After that first practice, I got

709
00:29:38,136 --> 00:29:42,536
Speaker 2: in a fight, but that I did get some reps

710
00:29:42,576 --> 00:29:47,016
Speaker 2: prior to the fight. And the year before me, the

711
00:29:47,056 --> 00:29:50,296
Speaker 2: Bengals drafted Peter Warck. He was the fourth pick, and

712
00:29:50,816 --> 00:29:54,136
Speaker 2: in my opinion, this is just my opinion, the best

713
00:29:54,176 --> 00:29:56,736
Speaker 2: two college football players that I that I've seen with

714
00:29:56,816 --> 00:30:00,456
Speaker 2: my own two eyes are Peter Warick and Reggie Bush.

715
00:30:01,056 --> 00:30:04,335
Speaker 2: Those two dudes were unbelievable college football players. And so

716
00:30:05,456 --> 00:30:08,416
Speaker 2: after that first practice, I said, oh my god, he

717
00:30:08,536 --> 00:30:11,976
Speaker 2: was a fourth pick. Oh, I'm playing in the NFL,

718
00:30:12,936 --> 00:30:15,016
Speaker 2: Like there's no question. I felt like I was the

719
00:30:15,016 --> 00:30:18,256
Speaker 2: best receiver on the team after that first practice, and

720
00:30:18,336 --> 00:30:23,096
Speaker 2: so that gave me the confidence and to know, like, bro,

721
00:30:23,656 --> 00:30:25,736
Speaker 2: this dude was a fourth pick of the draft. I

722
00:30:25,776 --> 00:30:29,976
Speaker 2: watched this guy on TV go to work against everybody

723
00:30:30,016 --> 00:30:33,776
Speaker 2: he played against, and so every off season, I just

724
00:30:34,096 --> 00:30:38,815
Speaker 2: I killed myself working out. I've worked with Julian Edelman

725
00:30:39,416 --> 00:30:42,976
Speaker 2: and he's another dude. Man, Like, he almost literally had

726
00:30:43,056 --> 00:30:45,376
Speaker 2: me kill myself because I didn't want him to beat

727
00:30:45,416 --> 00:30:47,456
Speaker 2: me in workouts, and so we're both about to die

728
00:30:47,456 --> 00:30:51,456
Speaker 2: because we're trying to prove a point. But yeah, after

729
00:30:51,496 --> 00:30:54,096
Speaker 2: that first practice, I knew I was made to play

730
00:30:54,216 --> 00:30:55,896
Speaker 2: the league. I could plan the league. I could be

731
00:30:55,896 --> 00:31:00,936
Speaker 2: a good player in the league. But dude, I worked

732
00:31:00,976 --> 00:31:03,416
Speaker 2: so hard. I didn't even take vacations. Man, me and

733
00:31:03,496 --> 00:31:04,976
Speaker 2: my wife would argue, I'm like, you can go on

734
00:31:04,976 --> 00:31:08,696
Speaker 2: to vacer I'm not going, and so we would argue

735
00:31:08,696 --> 00:31:10,656
Speaker 2: about that. I'm like, you can go. I can't train

736
00:31:10,776 --> 00:31:12,776
Speaker 2: on vacation. I need to be out here with my

737
00:31:12,816 --> 00:31:16,936
Speaker 2: trainer co C. And so I love football. Then I

738
00:31:16,976 --> 00:31:20,776
Speaker 2: love football now it's giving me everything. I just love

739
00:31:20,816 --> 00:31:21,136
Speaker 2: the game.

740
00:31:21,856 --> 00:31:24,016
Speaker 3: What do you see with Travis Hunter? Because now we're

741
00:31:24,016 --> 00:31:25,896
Speaker 3: watching more than practice clubs. We got to watch him

742
00:31:25,896 --> 00:31:28,536
Speaker 3: play both sides a little bit. What do you see

743
00:31:28,536 --> 00:31:30,576
Speaker 3: in his ceiling as far as year one?

744
00:31:32,936 --> 00:31:36,376
Speaker 2: Man? Now young man. He's so talented. He's so talented,

745
00:31:36,416 --> 00:31:39,616
Speaker 2: But I have concerns. I'm not going to sit up

746
00:31:39,656 --> 00:31:42,376
Speaker 2: per and act like I don't have concerns. Can he

747
00:31:42,416 --> 00:31:44,576
Speaker 2: play both sides of the ball. Yeah, he can play

748
00:31:44,616 --> 00:31:46,176
Speaker 2: both sides of the ball. How long do you want

749
00:31:46,216 --> 00:31:48,216
Speaker 2: to play both sides of the ball. That's the problem.

750
00:31:48,856 --> 00:31:55,016
Speaker 2: It's football and the National Football League. You want to

751
00:31:55,056 --> 00:32:00,136
Speaker 2: have longevity. I don't know how long he can play

752
00:32:00,216 --> 00:32:03,736
Speaker 2: playing both sides of the ball, because everybody, like the

753
00:32:03,736 --> 00:32:08,136
Speaker 2: difference between high school and college is, in high school,

754
00:32:08,136 --> 00:32:10,696
Speaker 2: you may have three or four guys that play hard

755
00:32:10,896 --> 00:32:15,056
Speaker 2: from whistle to whistle, from snap to the whistle. In college,

756
00:32:15,056 --> 00:32:17,456
Speaker 2: you may have seven or eight of guys that play

757
00:32:17,456 --> 00:32:20,736
Speaker 2: hard from snap to whistle. In the NFL, all eleven

758
00:32:20,816 --> 00:32:23,536
Speaker 2: guys from the snap to the whistle are balls to

759
00:32:23,616 --> 00:32:29,456
Speaker 2: the wall. And can your body withstand just that type

760
00:32:29,496 --> 00:32:31,776
Speaker 2: of battering. Yeah, your first two to three years, you'll

761
00:32:31,816 --> 00:32:35,456
Speaker 2: be fine because you're young. He can be really good

762
00:32:35,456 --> 00:32:38,736
Speaker 2: at receiver, He can be really good at corner. I'm

763
00:32:38,736 --> 00:32:40,976
Speaker 2: playing receiver because as of right now, the receivers are

764
00:32:41,016 --> 00:32:45,416
Speaker 2: making more money than the corners. But he's gonna have

765
00:32:45,456 --> 00:32:48,456
Speaker 2: to be careful if he wants to play a decade

766
00:32:48,456 --> 00:32:50,416
Speaker 2: plus in the league. Will go on both ways.

767
00:32:51,496 --> 00:32:54,496
Speaker 5: Do you think Jamar Chase T Higgins the best duo

768
00:32:54,736 --> 00:32:57,816
Speaker 5: in the in the NFL right now? And how would

769
00:32:57,816 --> 00:33:01,056
Speaker 5: you compare them to you and Ocho Cinco back in

770
00:33:01,096 --> 00:33:02,416
Speaker 5: the day and those offenses.

771
00:33:04,416 --> 00:33:07,376
Speaker 2: To answer the first quar yes, I do believe they're

772
00:33:07,416 --> 00:33:10,016
Speaker 2: the best dual. I don't know how anybody can say

773
00:33:10,056 --> 00:33:14,016
Speaker 2: otherwise and pick any any pair on a team that's

774
00:33:14,056 --> 00:33:16,856
Speaker 2: better to them, not with what they've done the quarterback

775
00:33:16,896 --> 00:33:21,376
Speaker 2: that they have. Yeah, I don't think it's close. To

776
00:33:21,376 --> 00:33:27,136
Speaker 2: be honest, I would probably say them A. J. Brown,

777
00:33:27,216 --> 00:33:31,976
Speaker 2: Davonte c D. George Pickens just off the top of

778
00:33:32,016 --> 00:33:36,336
Speaker 2: my head, and now also Puka and Davonte and so

779
00:33:36,776 --> 00:33:39,776
Speaker 2: will be my top four. But for sure, for sure,

780
00:33:41,176 --> 00:33:47,216
Speaker 2: Chasing Higgins, I T Higgins and Jamar Chase, they're they're

781
00:33:47,216 --> 00:33:50,896
Speaker 2: better than me and Chadway And I think Chad would

782
00:33:50,896 --> 00:33:52,776
Speaker 2: say the same thing. I don't like to get into

783
00:33:52,816 --> 00:33:55,536
Speaker 2: the oh, we were better than them, because you know

784
00:33:55,576 --> 00:33:59,336
Speaker 2: we're older guys now. But Jamar Chase is on his

785
00:33:59,456 --> 00:34:01,896
Speaker 2: way to being the greatest Bengals receiver ever. So that

786
00:34:01,936 --> 00:34:03,976
Speaker 2: means he gonna knock Chad down the number two. He's

787
00:34:03,976 --> 00:34:07,256
Speaker 2: gonna knock me down of what I was. And te

788
00:34:07,296 --> 00:34:09,216
Speaker 2: Higgins is also gonna do the same thing. And so

789
00:34:10,136 --> 00:34:13,296
Speaker 2: the way they've played one thing the Bengals is going

790
00:34:13,376 --> 00:34:17,176
Speaker 2: to do. We're gonna have some receivers that can play football,

791
00:34:17,856 --> 00:34:22,296
Speaker 2: and they've always drafted receivers and developed them. I'm happy

792
00:34:22,296 --> 00:34:24,296
Speaker 2: for them that they they finally got they payday that

793
00:34:24,336 --> 00:34:27,736
Speaker 2: they they've earned. We just got to stay healthy, man.

794
00:34:27,776 --> 00:34:29,696
Speaker 2: We got one of the best quarterbacks in the league.

795
00:34:30,256 --> 00:34:33,856
Speaker 2: We got the best receiving tandem in the league. Defense,

796
00:34:33,896 --> 00:34:34,816
Speaker 2: come help us, baby.

797
00:34:36,776 --> 00:34:39,896
Speaker 3: Let's talk about that then, because you know you're Sinini's

798
00:34:39,896 --> 00:34:42,736
Speaker 3: best defensive player still as of right now not signed.

799
00:34:42,736 --> 00:34:44,256
Speaker 3: Where are we with with Trey?

800
00:34:45,656 --> 00:34:49,936
Speaker 2: It's disappointing, man, it really is. When when you're a

801
00:34:49,976 --> 00:34:52,616
Speaker 2: player and I put myself in Trey hendricks and shoes,

802
00:34:53,576 --> 00:34:57,896
Speaker 2: you want to be compensated fairly. And this is a business.

803
00:34:58,416 --> 00:35:00,696
Speaker 2: And so if you guys meaning management are going to

804
00:35:00,696 --> 00:35:03,216
Speaker 2: approach it as a business. Why can't I, you know,

805
00:35:03,376 --> 00:35:06,776
Speaker 2: no hard feelings, why can't I? I led the NFL

806
00:35:06,816 --> 00:35:08,696
Speaker 2: and sacks last year? The last two years, I've led

807
00:35:08,696 --> 00:35:11,336
Speaker 2: the league in sacks. I'm not asking to be the

808
00:35:11,416 --> 00:35:14,136
Speaker 2: highest paid defense Avevan just put me in a vicinity,

809
00:35:14,976 --> 00:35:18,416
Speaker 2: and so I'm with Trey Hendrickson with that. But I

810
00:35:18,456 --> 00:35:22,056
Speaker 2: also get where the Bengals are coming from. Age you're

811
00:35:22,056 --> 00:35:24,976
Speaker 2: in the contract, what you're gonna do. You're gonna sit

812
00:35:25,056 --> 00:35:29,376
Speaker 2: out and lose money, but you're sitting out to try

813
00:35:29,416 --> 00:35:32,816
Speaker 2: to make money, and so it's a tough situation to

814
00:35:32,896 --> 00:35:36,056
Speaker 2: be in. They got to resolve this because without him,

815
00:35:36,656 --> 00:35:37,016
Speaker 2: it's a.

816
00:35:37,136 --> 00:35:40,536
Speaker 5: Wash, don't you think Cincinnati though historically that's been an

817
00:35:40,536 --> 00:35:43,376
Speaker 5: issue with this organization, and sometimes they don't pay dudes

818
00:35:43,416 --> 00:35:46,496
Speaker 5: that have earned that contract. Even going back to Carson

819
00:35:46,656 --> 00:35:49,376
Speaker 5: and some of these guys that have had contract disputes

820
00:35:49,376 --> 00:35:52,096
Speaker 5: didn't want to be there any time, but just management

821
00:35:52,136 --> 00:35:52,656
Speaker 5: in general.

822
00:35:53,976 --> 00:35:57,576
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, Yeah, I mean me and Carson we talked

823
00:35:57,576 --> 00:36:01,336
Speaker 2: to this day. I'm heading to practice with his alma

824
00:36:01,336 --> 00:36:07,696
Speaker 2: monor later this afternoon. They didn't really they gonna pay

825
00:36:07,696 --> 00:36:09,736
Speaker 2: their quarterbacks matter. That's one thing the Bengals when they

826
00:36:09,736 --> 00:36:11,536
Speaker 2: don't play when it comes to the quarterbacks. When it

827
00:36:11,576 --> 00:36:14,976
Speaker 2: comes to the quarterbacks, we gonna pay you. It's when

828
00:36:15,016 --> 00:36:18,936
Speaker 2: we tell the quarterback we're going to do this, and

829
00:36:18,976 --> 00:36:21,896
Speaker 2: then they don't do this, and then it happens time

830
00:36:21,936 --> 00:36:25,096
Speaker 2: after time. I know with Carson that rubbed him the

831
00:36:25,096 --> 00:36:36,016
Speaker 2: wrong way. But you can't draft Shamar and not have

832
00:36:36,176 --> 00:36:38,696
Speaker 2: you in camp on time when you're going through this

833
00:36:38,896 --> 00:36:43,456
Speaker 2: with Trey Hendrickson and so to me, I'm gonna get

834
00:36:43,456 --> 00:36:46,856
Speaker 2: this done. I'm gonna make it short term. You're not

835
00:36:46,856 --> 00:36:50,656
Speaker 2: gonna get all you want, and I'm not gonna give

836
00:36:50,736 --> 00:36:54,176
Speaker 2: you what you feel is less. A good negotiation is

837
00:36:54,216 --> 00:36:57,416
Speaker 2: when both parties are satisfied, but they feel like they've

838
00:36:57,416 --> 00:37:01,696
Speaker 2: both given up a little too much. But yeah, the

839
00:37:01,736 --> 00:37:05,136
Speaker 2: Bengals have done this. They you know that's I was

840
00:37:05,176 --> 00:37:08,656
Speaker 2: a Cowboy fan growing up. I'm a Bengals fan now.

841
00:37:08,776 --> 00:37:13,896
Speaker 2: I don't know why my mind and my heart I

842
00:37:13,976 --> 00:37:16,616
Speaker 2: just when I speak of the Bengals, I always say we.

843
00:37:16,896 --> 00:37:19,736
Speaker 2: And obviously because I spent so many years there that

844
00:37:19,856 --> 00:37:23,176
Speaker 2: gave me my opportunity. I really feel like had I

845
00:37:23,216 --> 00:37:26,416
Speaker 2: gone anywhere else, I probably would have been released earlier.

846
00:37:26,416 --> 00:37:30,416
Speaker 2: Because I was I was hurt. I almost played with

847
00:37:30,456 --> 00:37:33,496
Speaker 2: you guys with the Patriots. Then happened. I went up

848
00:37:33,536 --> 00:37:35,776
Speaker 2: there for a visit. I was like, oh my god,

849
00:37:35,816 --> 00:37:37,936
Speaker 2: if I can get with Tom Brady in an offensive

850
00:37:38,016 --> 00:37:41,096
Speaker 2: system that is like I need you to be here

851
00:37:41,456 --> 00:37:44,336
Speaker 2: right now. I'm like, that's where I thrive in a

852
00:37:44,416 --> 00:37:48,456
Speaker 2: system of you can't just do your own. The quarterback

853
00:37:48,536 --> 00:37:53,616
Speaker 2: expects you to be here, be there. And that's what

854
00:37:53,696 --> 00:37:55,616
Speaker 2: I love about football, man, just being on the team.

855
00:37:55,616 --> 00:37:57,976
Speaker 2: But yeah, the Bengals, man, we got to get our together.

856
00:37:58,056 --> 00:37:58,216
Speaker 5: Man.

857
00:37:58,256 --> 00:38:06,456
Speaker 2: We it bothers me, man because we as athletes or

858
00:38:06,536 --> 00:38:09,336
Speaker 2: window is this big, like we don't have Oh we

859
00:38:09,376 --> 00:38:10,896
Speaker 2: can do it next year. Oh we can do it

860
00:38:10,936 --> 00:38:14,256
Speaker 2: next year. We done playing Matt Like, ain't no more

861
00:38:14,296 --> 00:38:17,096
Speaker 2: next year. It's so you got to make it happen

862
00:38:17,176 --> 00:38:17,736
Speaker 2: when you got it.

863
00:38:33,256 --> 00:38:35,816
Speaker 3: A couple of things. One, the sophomore slump is that

864
00:38:35,856 --> 00:38:37,856
Speaker 3: a thing or is the most growth between year one

865
00:38:37,856 --> 00:38:39,896
Speaker 3: and year two, because and I look at like a C. J.

866
00:38:39,976 --> 00:38:40,336
Speaker 4: Stroud.

867
00:38:40,456 --> 00:38:42,296
Speaker 3: Year one comes out as rookie quarterback, does so much

868
00:38:42,296 --> 00:38:44,496
Speaker 3: more than anybody expected because there isn't a lot of

869
00:38:44,576 --> 00:38:47,016
Speaker 3: expectation on rookies. However, he has kind of set a

870
00:38:47,016 --> 00:38:50,096
Speaker 3: new precedent, didn't have a great second You had a

871
00:38:50,096 --> 00:38:51,896
Speaker 3: good second year, but not a great second year. But

872
00:38:51,936 --> 00:38:54,056
Speaker 3: then you also hear between year one and two is

873
00:38:54,056 --> 00:38:56,176
Speaker 3: when your most growth is What's more true?

874
00:38:58,496 --> 00:39:02,976
Speaker 2: It really depends on the player, because there's a lot

875
00:39:02,976 --> 00:39:06,056
Speaker 2: of players. Man, they get comfortable after they have success

876
00:39:06,056 --> 00:39:09,176
Speaker 2: in your one, they start to really think. I'm like, oh,

877
00:39:09,216 --> 00:39:12,856
Speaker 2: I can't be touched. I'm untouchable. And then the league

878
00:39:12,976 --> 00:39:16,616
Speaker 2: hits you right in the face that that happens. Where

879
00:39:16,656 --> 00:39:19,296
Speaker 2: a lot of guys they don't work going in the

880
00:39:19,416 --> 00:39:22,056
Speaker 2: year two like they worked going into year one. That's

881
00:39:22,136 --> 00:39:25,736
Speaker 2: number one. Speaking of CJ. Straw, you know he trains

882
00:39:25,776 --> 00:39:28,936
Speaker 2: out here with us, a lot of these dudes. I'm

883
00:39:29,056 --> 00:39:35,496
Speaker 2: fortunate enough, man, around so many of the top quarterbacks

884
00:39:35,616 --> 00:39:40,536
Speaker 2: every single off season, the top receivers every single off season,

885
00:39:41,176 --> 00:39:44,656
Speaker 2: and so I'm able to see how they work. I'm

886
00:39:44,696 --> 00:39:47,816
Speaker 2: able to see how often they show up to work

887
00:39:48,216 --> 00:39:50,896
Speaker 2: and when they don't show up to work. You don't

888
00:39:50,936 --> 00:39:53,976
Speaker 2: know me that well, but I'm letting them know, like, Bro,

889
00:39:54,136 --> 00:39:56,776
Speaker 2: you ain't done. You had one good year, Like you

890
00:39:56,856 --> 00:39:59,256
Speaker 2: better get yours out here and work. Boy, what are

891
00:39:59,256 --> 00:40:01,736
Speaker 2: you doing? And so that's how I talk to him.

892
00:40:01,776 --> 00:40:04,576
Speaker 2: You know himself may not like it, but that's just

893
00:40:04,656 --> 00:40:08,096
Speaker 2: me trying to push them to let them know, Like, bro,

894
00:40:08,416 --> 00:40:11,656
Speaker 2: guys are coming in every year to take your spot.

895
00:40:12,016 --> 00:40:15,056
Speaker 2: You better take advantage it is. But I don't know

896
00:40:15,096 --> 00:40:19,416
Speaker 2: if it's a sophomore slump. You should get better from

897
00:40:19,496 --> 00:40:23,416
Speaker 2: year one going to year one. Season ends, you're training

898
00:40:23,456 --> 00:40:26,256
Speaker 2: for the combine. You really never get a break. You

899
00:40:26,336 --> 00:40:28,616
Speaker 2: don't get a break, so your body breaks down a

900
00:40:28,656 --> 00:40:31,096
Speaker 2: little bit as a ricky. Whereas going into your second

901
00:40:31,176 --> 00:40:34,016
Speaker 2: year you get a little break. You can rest your body.

902
00:40:34,536 --> 00:40:38,136
Speaker 2: Certain things you did that you liked, You continue things

903
00:40:38,136 --> 00:40:40,936
Speaker 2: you didn't that you didn't like, you take that out.

904
00:40:40,976 --> 00:40:43,016
Speaker 2: And so it's just trial and error, just experience.

905
00:40:43,976 --> 00:40:45,576
Speaker 4: How you think this is going to go for the

906
00:40:45,576 --> 00:40:47,616
Speaker 4: Steelers this year with Aaron Rodgers.

907
00:40:49,496 --> 00:40:50,816
Speaker 2: I mean for the sake of the being because I

908
00:40:50,896 --> 00:40:51,696
Speaker 2: hope they play like.

909
00:40:55,216 --> 00:40:58,496
Speaker 4: So spoken, so true from the heart right there.

910
00:41:00,456 --> 00:41:05,096
Speaker 2: If I'm being honest, though, man, that division is going

911
00:41:05,176 --> 00:41:10,456
Speaker 2: to be crazy because yall should do it looked great obviously.

912
00:41:10,496 --> 00:41:13,296
Speaker 2: The Ravens are gonna be the Ravens and the Steelers

913
00:41:13,336 --> 00:41:15,296
Speaker 2: are gonna be the Steelers. One thing the Steelers are

914
00:41:15,336 --> 00:41:19,016
Speaker 2: gonna do is play great defense, That's no question. They're

915
00:41:19,056 --> 00:41:26,016
Speaker 2: gonna play great defense. Can they create enough offense? I'm

916
00:41:26,056 --> 00:41:29,496
Speaker 2: a huge fan of Aaron Rodgers. The quarterbacks up today,

917
00:41:29,856 --> 00:41:32,456
Speaker 2: they all mimic him the way he throws the ball.

918
00:41:34,096 --> 00:41:37,696
Speaker 2: He's a trailblazer in that aspect. He has set a

919
00:41:37,776 --> 00:41:40,936
Speaker 2: precedent of every young quarterback. At least when I'm on

920
00:41:40,976 --> 00:41:43,176
Speaker 2: the field with these dudes, they all trying to throw

921
00:41:43,216 --> 00:41:45,936
Speaker 2: the ball and trying to make it look like Aaron Rodgers.

922
00:41:46,816 --> 00:41:50,816
Speaker 2: Can he rewind the hands of time and be the

923
00:41:50,936 --> 00:41:54,136
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers of Green Bay and his last great season

924
00:41:54,176 --> 00:41:57,496
Speaker 2: I believe was twenty twenty one. Can he do it?

925
00:41:57,656 --> 00:42:00,416
Speaker 2: And we don't know because last year with the Jets,

926
00:42:00,456 --> 00:42:02,216
Speaker 2: I'm like, boy, that's Aaron Rodgers. They going to the

927
00:42:02,216 --> 00:42:07,096
Speaker 2: playoffs and they didn't have a great year, and so

928
00:42:08,056 --> 00:42:10,656
Speaker 2: the Jets had a good defense. Offensively, the Jets and

929
00:42:10,696 --> 00:42:14,496
Speaker 2: the Steelers offense look very similar on paper right now,

930
00:42:14,736 --> 00:42:18,816
Speaker 2: and so if they have a great season, it just

931
00:42:18,856 --> 00:42:21,456
Speaker 2: shows me how great of a coach Mike Tomlin is

932
00:42:21,536 --> 00:42:24,536
Speaker 2: because the Jets of last year and the Steelers of

933
00:42:24,576 --> 00:42:28,815
Speaker 2: this year they looked very similar, strong on defense, one

934
00:42:28,896 --> 00:42:31,856
Speaker 2: really good receiver. On offense. We want to run the ball.

935
00:42:34,096 --> 00:42:39,976
Speaker 2: But Pittsburgh is Pittsburgh, man. They always a great team,

936
00:42:40,456 --> 00:42:42,536
Speaker 2: but I want them to play.

937
00:42:42,336 --> 00:42:46,336
Speaker 3: Like what's up with the flag league? You and Snooper doing?

938
00:42:48,136 --> 00:42:48,296
Speaker 5: Man?

939
00:42:48,336 --> 00:42:53,536
Speaker 2: I love. So we got started in flag football, my

940
00:42:53,656 --> 00:43:00,096
Speaker 2: son and Matt Lioners league, and we started winning so

941
00:43:00,216 --> 00:43:02,456
Speaker 2: much that they didn't want us to play in it anymore.

942
00:43:04,616 --> 00:43:07,416
Speaker 2: And I mean, when I'm out there coaching, I'm a

943
00:43:07,416 --> 00:43:10,696
Speaker 2: little I'm a little crazy, like I played, might get

944
00:43:10,736 --> 00:43:14,096
Speaker 2: real competitive, talking trash to the other coaches. Never really kids,

945
00:43:14,096 --> 00:43:18,416
Speaker 2: just the other coaches make it, make it fun. But

946
00:43:19,896 --> 00:43:21,736
Speaker 2: so I went off and started my own league into

947
00:43:21,776 --> 00:43:24,576
Speaker 2: South Bay, and I was just kind of gonna do

948
00:43:24,616 --> 00:43:26,976
Speaker 2: it on my own. Talk to the NFL. They gave

949
00:43:27,016 --> 00:43:30,016
Speaker 2: me the go ahead do it. I'm gonna have a

950
00:43:30,016 --> 00:43:32,096
Speaker 2: good friend that works for the Chargers. He reached out

951
00:43:32,136 --> 00:43:34,336
Speaker 2: to me and said, we can partner with you. I said, okay,

952
00:43:34,376 --> 00:43:37,456
Speaker 2: that's perfect. I love to do that. So I partnered

953
00:43:37,496 --> 00:43:41,136
Speaker 2: with the Chargers and then somebody from Snoop camp reached

954
00:43:41,136 --> 00:43:43,336
Speaker 2: out and was like, man, can we can we get

955
00:43:43,336 --> 00:43:45,736
Speaker 2: in in with you? And I said absolutely, So talk

956
00:43:45,816 --> 00:43:50,456
Speaker 2: to Snoop. He wanted to do it, and we have

957
00:43:50,576 --> 00:43:52,496
Speaker 2: been going at it now for a year and a half.

958
00:43:52,576 --> 00:43:55,576
Speaker 2: First year we had like two hundred kids, or the

959
00:43:55,656 --> 00:44:00,176
Speaker 2: first season. Second season we had like seven hundred and fifty,

960
00:44:01,536 --> 00:44:05,376
Speaker 2: and so it's just growing and growing and growing to nonprofit.

961
00:44:05,576 --> 00:44:08,776
Speaker 2: So we sponsored last year over one hundred kids. They

962
00:44:08,816 --> 00:44:11,416
Speaker 2: couldn't afford, the inner city kids, let them play for free.

963
00:44:13,176 --> 00:44:16,456
Speaker 2: I love it, man. It's something that every we play

964
00:44:16,496 --> 00:44:20,376
Speaker 2: every Friday. What we're really trying to do now is

965
00:44:20,456 --> 00:44:25,776
Speaker 2: get a girls league out that. I don't know if

966
00:44:25,776 --> 00:44:31,056
Speaker 2: you guys watched girls flag football, but it's better than boys.

967
00:44:31,216 --> 00:44:35,896
Speaker 2: They're the way they the way that they play, the excitement,

968
00:44:36,016 --> 00:44:41,136
Speaker 2: the energy, the passion, it's completely different. And so that's

969
00:44:41,136 --> 00:44:44,496
Speaker 2: what I'm looking forward to on is expanding the girls

970
00:44:44,616 --> 00:44:48,096
Speaker 2: aspect of that. Because I was fortunate enough I went

971
00:44:48,136 --> 00:44:50,496
Speaker 2: down to Beaverton, Oregon. Nike flew me out there. They

972
00:44:50,576 --> 00:44:53,656
Speaker 2: had a flag tournament of all girls, and I was amazed.

973
00:44:54,536 --> 00:44:58,416
Speaker 2: I was amazed at how good they were and how

974
00:44:58,496 --> 00:45:01,336
Speaker 2: serious they took the game. And you tell them something

975
00:45:01,416 --> 00:45:03,856
Speaker 2: one time, and they were going to do everything in

976
00:45:03,896 --> 00:45:06,256
Speaker 2: their power to do exactly what you told them. We

977
00:45:06,336 --> 00:45:08,616
Speaker 2: tell some we tell the young boys this, they're gonna

978
00:45:08,616 --> 00:45:11,056
Speaker 2: be like, man, should show up. I'm like listening to you.

979
00:45:11,096 --> 00:45:12,816
Speaker 2: They're not saying that, but that's the look that they

980
00:45:12,856 --> 00:45:15,936
Speaker 2: have on your face, on their face. So the Flag

981
00:45:16,016 --> 00:45:21,856
Speaker 2: League has been pleasantly a good thing for the community,

982
00:45:21,936 --> 00:45:25,576
Speaker 2: the league. I appreciate the Chargers and Snoop and we're

983
00:45:25,616 --> 00:45:26,856
Speaker 2: just trying to continue to grow it.

984
00:45:27,336 --> 00:45:29,536
Speaker 3: We'll put the note down at the bottom of our

985
00:45:29,536 --> 00:45:30,776
Speaker 3: notes so that if you guys want to go and

986
00:45:30,856 --> 00:45:34,296
Speaker 3: learn more about it, and it's Snooping hooshflightfootball dot org.

987
00:45:34,576 --> 00:45:36,976
Speaker 3: They'll put the note down to the bottom for anybody

988
00:45:37,016 --> 00:45:39,376
Speaker 3: that wants to go check it out. And grades one

989
00:45:39,416 --> 00:45:40,616
Speaker 3: through eight, right, is that what it is?

990
00:45:41,496 --> 00:45:44,376
Speaker 2: Yeah, kindergarten through the eighth grade. This past weekend, we

991
00:45:44,536 --> 00:45:46,456
Speaker 2: just had a bunch of kids because you know, we

992
00:45:46,496 --> 00:45:49,616
Speaker 2: partner with the Chargers, the Chargers inviting them out to

993
00:45:49,616 --> 00:45:54,016
Speaker 2: the preseason game. They played a game at halftime, and

994
00:45:54,056 --> 00:45:56,736
Speaker 2: so the Chargers have been great with this because they're

995
00:45:57,536 --> 00:45:59,856
Speaker 2: letting kids come to training camp, they're getting on the

996
00:45:59,856 --> 00:46:02,056
Speaker 2: field with the players, they're doing a lot of things

997
00:46:02,096 --> 00:46:06,096
Speaker 2: that otherwise they wouldn't have an opportunity to do you.

998
00:46:06,056 --> 00:46:08,416
Speaker 5: Need to cut that kindergarten You need to move that

999
00:46:08,496 --> 00:46:10,816
Speaker 5: up Probor first or second grade. And I coach kindergarten

1000
00:46:11,016 --> 00:46:14,216
Speaker 5: flag football. Oh my god, it's like hurting cats. They

1001
00:46:14,216 --> 00:46:16,496
Speaker 5: don't have any idea what they're doing. You can't throw it,

1002
00:46:16,576 --> 00:46:18,816
Speaker 5: you're not running it. You're just you're just out there

1003
00:46:18,936 --> 00:46:21,416
Speaker 5: watching these kids run around going like they're not even

1004
00:46:21,496 --> 00:46:22,216
Speaker 5: the right position.

1005
00:46:22,536 --> 00:46:25,176
Speaker 4: You know, you know, they don't need a kindergarten league, TJ.

1006
00:46:26,416 --> 00:46:27,936
Speaker 2: But you know what, you know what it is though

1007
00:46:28,456 --> 00:46:29,736
Speaker 2: it's a lot of jets weeks.

1008
00:46:30,896 --> 00:46:33,616
Speaker 5: That's the only thing they can do.

1009
00:46:34,536 --> 00:46:37,896
Speaker 3: Nobody, right, TJ. We really appreciate that. Thank you for

1010
00:46:38,056 --> 00:46:40,256
Speaker 3: coming on with us, and you gotta check it up

1011
00:46:40,256 --> 00:46:43,256
Speaker 3: on game. It's Labar Arrington, Plexville, Burus and TJ on

1012
00:46:43,296 --> 00:46:46,856
Speaker 3: Fox Sports Radio. A big fan and appreciate the time

1013
00:46:46,896 --> 00:46:48,776
Speaker 3: you gave us today. And yeah, I hope you have

1014
00:46:48,896 --> 00:46:49,616
Speaker 3: a great rest of week.

1015
00:46:49,656 --> 00:46:53,016
Speaker 2: Many man, I appreciate you guys. You guys take care,

1016
00:46:53,096 --> 00:47:05,496
Speaker 2: may have a great rest of your day.

1017
00:47:09,456 --> 00:47:11,256
Speaker 3: Okay, back over to you give me something else.

1018
00:47:11,576 --> 00:47:13,376
Speaker 5: Well, I'm gonna stay with special teams though. Did you

1019
00:47:13,376 --> 00:47:17,016
Speaker 5: see Travon Henderson con the Patriots one hundred yard kickoff

1020
00:47:17,016 --> 00:47:17,736
Speaker 5: to start the game.

1021
00:47:18,176 --> 00:47:18,856
Speaker 3: I did see that.

1022
00:47:19,856 --> 00:47:22,496
Speaker 5: First time he touched the ball, and I think it

1023
00:47:22,576 --> 00:47:25,256
Speaker 5: was such a great pickup by the New England Patriots

1024
00:47:25,256 --> 00:47:27,496
Speaker 5: second round pick. And we know he came out of

1025
00:47:27,496 --> 00:47:29,576
Speaker 5: Ohio State. He was a superstar there. He was there

1026
00:47:29,616 --> 00:47:32,216
Speaker 5: with Quinn Shawn Jenkins, and I always thought he was

1027
00:47:32,256 --> 00:47:35,096
Speaker 5: just an all around back everything from running the ball,

1028
00:47:35,216 --> 00:47:38,736
Speaker 5: his explosiveness, but also in the in the past game

1029
00:47:38,776 --> 00:47:42,416
Speaker 5: as well, he's he's an asset. But then now New

1030
00:47:42,456 --> 00:47:44,496
Speaker 5: England picks him up and he's just another chess piece

1031
00:47:44,536 --> 00:47:46,056
Speaker 5: for them to play with because the one thing that

1032
00:47:46,096 --> 00:47:48,576
Speaker 5: they lacked a little bit of was playmaking ability and

1033
00:47:48,616 --> 00:47:49,896
Speaker 5: also that explosive nature.

1034
00:47:49,896 --> 00:47:52,136
Speaker 4: Well, he gets the ball right off the jump and.

1035
00:47:52,456 --> 00:47:55,616
Speaker 3: House calls it and nobody was close.

1036
00:47:55,736 --> 00:47:57,136
Speaker 4: There was not even a doubt it was.

1037
00:47:57,376 --> 00:48:00,296
Speaker 5: He hit the seam and then just ran right by

1038
00:48:00,376 --> 00:48:03,136
Speaker 5: everybody down the sideline. The other fun part was, you

1039
00:48:03,136 --> 00:48:05,696
Speaker 5: know what he got some He got some played at

1040
00:48:05,696 --> 00:48:07,616
Speaker 5: the running back position. He took one down the sideline

1041
00:48:07,616 --> 00:48:09,496
Speaker 5: for a fifteen yard run. He helped out in the

1042
00:48:09,496 --> 00:48:11,576
Speaker 5: past game as well. I think this guy is going

1043
00:48:11,616 --> 00:48:13,656
Speaker 5: to be a major asset for the New Engla Patriots.

1044
00:48:13,696 --> 00:48:15,056
Speaker 5: I thought it was a great pickup for him. So

1045
00:48:15,096 --> 00:48:17,576
Speaker 5: it was fun to watch that because you just never know.

1046
00:48:17,656 --> 00:48:20,936
Speaker 5: But you knew about Travon Henderson, but for him to

1047
00:48:20,976 --> 00:48:23,656
Speaker 5: explode on the scene with a one hundred yard kickoff

1048
00:48:23,656 --> 00:48:24,776
Speaker 5: return awesome.

1049
00:48:25,096 --> 00:48:27,376
Speaker 3: To follow up with the Patriots, I did watch all

1050
00:48:27,376 --> 00:48:28,456
Speaker 3: of Will Campbell snaps.

1051
00:48:28,736 --> 00:48:31,056
Speaker 5: Yeah, Will Campbell, you saw him get after that dude

1052
00:48:31,056 --> 00:48:31,896
Speaker 5: down the sideline.

1053
00:48:32,496 --> 00:48:33,576
Speaker 3: He's going to be awesome.

1054
00:48:33,896 --> 00:48:35,296
Speaker 4: He's just a dog, he is.

1055
00:48:35,616 --> 00:48:38,456
Speaker 3: Yeah, And again coming out of LSU, he went viral

1056
00:48:38,496 --> 00:48:41,856
Speaker 3: a few times, right, Like you know, I'm lucky. I

1057
00:48:41,856 --> 00:48:44,536
Speaker 3: don't have to work delivery. I protect my quarterback like

1058
00:48:44,536 --> 00:48:47,616
Speaker 3: all these clips that have gone viral. So you're like, okay,

1059
00:48:47,696 --> 00:48:51,576
Speaker 3: is he more viral bite than real life dominant? And

1060
00:48:51,696 --> 00:48:53,376
Speaker 3: again it's preseason, but I don't want to say that

1061
00:48:53,416 --> 00:48:56,536
Speaker 3: anymore because but for you can only beat the person

1062
00:48:56,536 --> 00:48:58,936
Speaker 3: in front of you, and he's whooping those dudes.

1063
00:48:59,176 --> 00:49:02,216
Speaker 5: Well, he also has that mentality to him, right, and

1064
00:49:02,296 --> 00:49:04,936
Speaker 5: you like you said, you heard him talk. But I

1065
00:49:04,976 --> 00:49:07,336
Speaker 5: think he's one of those guys that just has so

1066
00:49:07,456 --> 00:49:10,896
Speaker 5: much pride in what he does and being a bully

1067
00:49:11,576 --> 00:49:14,376
Speaker 5: and protecting his quarterback and doing whatever he needs. And

1068
00:49:14,416 --> 00:49:17,176
Speaker 5: he's got some nastiness to him, and that's what you

1069
00:49:17,256 --> 00:49:20,696
Speaker 5: want in your left tackle because it creates this edge

1070
00:49:20,696 --> 00:49:23,056
Speaker 5: for everybody on that offensive line. And so when you

1071
00:49:23,176 --> 00:49:25,496
Speaker 5: got a guy like that out there that can go

1072
00:49:25,616 --> 00:49:28,576
Speaker 5: and set the tone up front, that's a different type

1073
00:49:28,616 --> 00:49:31,256
Speaker 5: of mentality because normally the guys on defense are the

1074
00:49:31,256 --> 00:49:34,096
Speaker 5: guys that are talking smack and trying to you know,

1075
00:49:34,256 --> 00:49:36,216
Speaker 5: bring the energy and do all that stuff. But when

1076
00:49:36,256 --> 00:49:38,136
Speaker 5: you have somebody like that on your side of the ball,

1077
00:49:38,736 --> 00:49:41,136
Speaker 5: it fires you up as a quarterback and also everybody

1078
00:49:41,176 --> 00:49:42,376
Speaker 5: that he's blocking for.

1079
00:49:42,816 --> 00:49:44,696
Speaker 3: Okay, back over to me, and I have two quarterbacks

1080
00:49:44,696 --> 00:49:46,936
Speaker 3: that did not fare so well, and I'll go with

1081
00:49:47,296 --> 00:49:51,656
Speaker 3: Joe Milton, who to see his clips And this happened

1082
00:49:52,016 --> 00:49:54,936
Speaker 3: with the Patriots, this happened with Cowboys. Where he's throwing

1083
00:49:54,976 --> 00:49:58,976
Speaker 3: the ball eighty yards in practice. It looks like you

1084
00:49:58,976 --> 00:50:00,616
Speaker 3: can't throw a five yard pass. He can only throw

1085
00:50:00,616 --> 00:50:03,496
Speaker 3: eighty yard passes like no touch. I felt bad for him.

1086
00:50:03,496 --> 00:50:05,176
Speaker 3: I was rooting for him. Well, I think that was

1087
00:50:05,376 --> 00:50:07,376
Speaker 3: part of his issue. Even going back to college.

1088
00:50:07,536 --> 00:50:11,296
Speaker 5: Is just surreal talent can throw the ball one hundred

1089
00:50:11,336 --> 00:50:13,936
Speaker 5: yards probably he's got one of the most powerful arms

1090
00:50:13,976 --> 00:50:16,496
Speaker 5: you'll see. And last year, late in the season with

1091
00:50:16,576 --> 00:50:18,376
Speaker 5: the Patriots, they put him in to play the second

1092
00:50:18,376 --> 00:50:20,656
Speaker 5: half of Buffalo and he shined.

1093
00:50:20,736 --> 00:50:25,216
Speaker 3: Yeah, they didn't want to win, right, so he won a.

1094
00:50:25,216 --> 00:50:26,696
Speaker 5: Game, and that's really what set him up to be

1095
00:50:26,776 --> 00:50:29,176
Speaker 5: traded over to Dallas and then you get another opportunity.

1096
00:50:29,176 --> 00:50:32,456
Speaker 5: But you saw some of those inconsistencies show up, right,

1097
00:50:32,496 --> 00:50:36,815
Speaker 5: the accuracy the mid level throws, the intermediate passes where

1098
00:50:36,816 --> 00:50:39,296
Speaker 5: there's just too much on it or it's not as

1099
00:50:39,296 --> 00:50:42,416
Speaker 5: accurate where especially when you're talking about that intermediate five

1100
00:50:42,456 --> 00:50:44,936
Speaker 5: to ten yard routes, you have to put the ball

1101
00:50:44,976 --> 00:50:47,336
Speaker 5: on the guy. Especially when you throw that hard, it's

1102
00:50:47,336 --> 00:50:49,496
Speaker 5: impossible for those guys to adjust.

1103
00:50:49,096 --> 00:50:50,816
Speaker 4: And that that short of a time period.

1104
00:50:50,856 --> 00:50:54,736
Speaker 5: So it was something that had been talked about in

1105
00:50:54,856 --> 00:50:58,176
Speaker 5: terms of some of the faults of his game that

1106
00:50:58,256 --> 00:50:59,256
Speaker 5: showed up on tape.

1107
00:51:00,136 --> 00:51:03,616
Speaker 3: I think, especially with Cowboys fans, I think it was

1108
00:51:03,656 --> 00:51:06,776
Speaker 3: great for Dak Prescott. He didn't go out and blow

1109
00:51:06,816 --> 00:51:09,456
Speaker 3: the top, Milton didn't blow the top off, because I

1110
00:51:09,496 --> 00:51:11,136
Speaker 3: think all those fans would have been like, this is

1111
00:51:11,176 --> 00:51:12,815
Speaker 3: our guy, this is our guy.

1112
00:51:13,096 --> 00:51:15,256
Speaker 5: It always happens. I mean the backup quarterback is always

1113
00:51:15,296 --> 00:51:18,336
Speaker 5: the most popular guy, right. And I say that because

1114
00:51:18,456 --> 00:51:22,856
Speaker 5: if your first string quarterback struggles at all, everybody's like, Oh.

1115
00:51:23,136 --> 00:51:25,416
Speaker 4: Let's put in so and so. He's the best.

1116
00:51:25,456 --> 00:51:27,216
Speaker 5: Hell, he do better than this guy. And then all

1117
00:51:27,256 --> 00:51:29,496
Speaker 5: of a sudden reality strikes, the guy gets hurt and

1118
00:51:29,536 --> 00:51:32,096
Speaker 5: the other guy steps in. You're like, oh god, I

1119
00:51:32,776 --> 00:51:35,456
Speaker 5: forgot how good the first string was and why he

1120
00:51:35,576 --> 00:51:39,376
Speaker 5: was starting. Right. And Joe Milton's one of those polarizing

1121
00:51:39,416 --> 00:51:43,416
Speaker 5: figures because he's so physically gifted that people want to

1122
00:51:43,456 --> 00:51:46,536
Speaker 5: see more and more, and then they realize, oh, he's

1123
00:51:46,536 --> 00:51:48,336
Speaker 5: still got a ways to go to become a good

1124
00:51:48,376 --> 00:51:49,296
Speaker 5: professional quarterback.

1125
00:51:49,536 --> 00:51:51,616
Speaker 3: I can remember viral clips of Joe Milton at every

1126
00:51:51,616 --> 00:51:55,736
Speaker 3: stop Michigan when he came in, or Tennessee for sure,

1127
00:51:55,736 --> 00:51:59,176
Speaker 3: the Patriots, the Cowboys, this, Uh, where was he? Where

1128
00:51:59,176 --> 00:52:00,736
Speaker 3: did he? Where was he first in the league?

1129
00:52:00,976 --> 00:52:02,656
Speaker 4: Patriots, Patriots drafted?

1130
00:52:03,456 --> 00:52:04,856
Speaker 3: Okay, well, then I remember I have viral clips in

1131
00:52:04,896 --> 00:52:07,056
Speaker 3: my head of every stop he's ever been. Because Manny

1132
00:52:07,096 --> 00:52:09,816
Speaker 3: has a cannon, but it's like it's only a cannon. Yeah,

1133
00:52:09,856 --> 00:52:11,856
Speaker 3: there's no there's very little touch.

1134
00:52:12,256 --> 00:52:16,456
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's full throttle every single time.

1135
00:52:16,536 --> 00:52:18,976
Speaker 3: Another one, another quarterback that didn't perform as well as

1136
00:52:18,976 --> 00:52:21,776
Speaker 3: I thought he would based upon what I had seen

1137
00:52:21,776 --> 00:52:25,456
Speaker 3: from practice, was Quinn yours like really had a good camp.

1138
00:52:25,976 --> 00:52:27,296
Speaker 3: Was really looking at a practice. I think I went

1139
00:52:27,336 --> 00:52:29,696
Speaker 3: five for eighteen. It was not a good showing.

1140
00:52:30,296 --> 00:52:33,456
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's sometimes hard. Man. You go in these preseason games,

1141
00:52:33,496 --> 00:52:37,896
Speaker 5: and I'll say this, there's two different approaches, and most

1142
00:52:37,936 --> 00:52:41,376
Speaker 5: of the time with these offensive coordinators, you're still in

1143
00:52:41,456 --> 00:52:44,336
Speaker 5: camp mode, and so they're not putting together a very

1144
00:52:44,376 --> 00:52:48,176
Speaker 5: elaborate plan. It's very simplistic. There's probably not a lot

1145
00:52:48,216 --> 00:52:50,736
Speaker 5: of motions. You're running a lot of your base stuff,

1146
00:52:51,176 --> 00:52:55,216
Speaker 5: and those don't always match up against the team that

1147
00:52:55,216 --> 00:52:57,335
Speaker 5: you're playing against. Normally, when you go into a normal

1148
00:52:57,416 --> 00:53:00,016
Speaker 5: game week, you're scheming this team up. You're trying to

1149
00:53:00,056 --> 00:53:02,456
Speaker 5: make sure that you have plays in answers and check

1150
00:53:02,496 --> 00:53:05,536
Speaker 5: with mes, but you're not showing your full array of

1151
00:53:05,576 --> 00:53:08,696
Speaker 5: your playbook, and so you kind of get handcuffed at

1152
00:53:08,736 --> 00:53:12,656
Speaker 5: times as a quarterback. And also at the other extent

1153
00:53:12,656 --> 00:53:14,936
Speaker 5: of it, you're not always playing with the top tier

1154
00:53:14,976 --> 00:53:17,496
Speaker 5: offensive line or wide receivers, and you're not always in

1155
00:53:17,576 --> 00:53:19,936
Speaker 5: sync with all those guys. So You're going to see

1156
00:53:19,976 --> 00:53:22,376
Speaker 5: these up and down performances where some guys will shine,

1157
00:53:22,456 --> 00:53:25,376
Speaker 5: other guys might struggle immensely, And you saw that with

1158
00:53:25,416 --> 00:53:26,256
Speaker 5: Quinn yours.

1159
00:53:26,176 --> 00:53:28,976
Speaker 3: All right, your final point of the day, final point.

1160
00:53:28,816 --> 00:53:30,896
Speaker 5: Of the day. I'm just happy that preseasons here. I mean,

1161
00:53:31,136 --> 00:53:33,656
Speaker 5: I will say this, the last guy I thought, Trevor

1162
00:53:33,696 --> 00:53:37,136
Speaker 5: Lawrence with Liam Cohen coming out, I mean that there

1163
00:53:37,176 --> 00:53:39,456
Speaker 5: was a lot of hype around Travis Hunter and what

1164
00:53:39,496 --> 00:53:41,016
Speaker 5: he was going to do. I mean he played, he

1165
00:53:41,056 --> 00:53:43,416
Speaker 5: played offense, he played defense. It wasn't like one of

1166
00:53:43,496 --> 00:53:46,656
Speaker 5: these wow moments by any means. But Trevor Lawrence coming

1167
00:53:46,696 --> 00:53:49,416
Speaker 5: in under Liam Cohm, I think he did a great

1168
00:53:49,536 --> 00:53:51,776
Speaker 5: job of coming in and executing the offense. It looked

1169
00:53:51,776 --> 00:53:54,016
Speaker 5: like he had complete command, which is a good sign

1170
00:53:54,216 --> 00:53:56,496
Speaker 5: for Jacksonville. Liam Comb because I think he had a

1171
00:53:56,536 --> 00:53:58,856
Speaker 5: lot of success with the Buccaneers. He was brought here

1172
00:53:58,856 --> 00:54:01,336
Speaker 5: to help Trevor Lawrence. And if Trevor Lawrence can get

1173
00:54:01,416 --> 00:54:03,456
Speaker 5: back to what he was just a few years ago

1174
00:54:03,736 --> 00:54:06,576
Speaker 5: where he was consistent, he's got some He's got some

1175
00:54:06,696 --> 00:54:09,016
Speaker 5: dudes over there on that side of the ball that

1176
00:54:09,376 --> 00:54:12,416
Speaker 5: they could do some damage, particularly in the AFC South.

1177
00:54:12,576 --> 00:54:16,456
Speaker 3: How much it is true about how difficult it is

1178
00:54:16,496 --> 00:54:19,976
Speaker 3: whenever your offensive coach is changed pretty much every year,

1179
00:54:20,136 --> 00:54:22,656
Speaker 3: because that's happened with Trevor Lawrence almost every year.

1180
00:54:22,776 --> 00:54:25,976
Speaker 5: Right, it's very difficult because you have to think about

1181
00:54:26,016 --> 00:54:29,296
Speaker 5: some of the best quarterbacks in our league. There's consistency,

1182
00:54:29,336 --> 00:54:33,496
Speaker 5: there's in alignment with your offensive coordinator, with the terminology,

1183
00:54:34,256 --> 00:54:37,256
Speaker 5: the offensive scheme in general. So by the time you

1184
00:54:37,296 --> 00:54:40,336
Speaker 5: get to your second year in a system, it becomes

1185
00:54:40,376 --> 00:54:43,056
Speaker 5: second nature. You know that, you get a particular look

1186
00:54:43,456 --> 00:54:46,176
Speaker 5: and you know, hey, this is probably not going to

1187
00:54:46,216 --> 00:54:48,016
Speaker 5: be great getting the ball downfield. I'm going to get

1188
00:54:48,016 --> 00:54:50,696
Speaker 5: to my checkdown right now, let him make five six yards,

1189
00:54:50,816 --> 00:54:53,376
Speaker 5: stay ahead of sticks, and you take the thinking out

1190
00:54:53,416 --> 00:54:55,816
Speaker 5: of it. And that's when it's fun because you're not

1191
00:54:55,936 --> 00:54:59,416
Speaker 5: thinking so much more so you're reacting and playing at

1192
00:54:59,456 --> 00:55:02,976
Speaker 5: a really high level. Whereas when you have this constant

1193
00:55:03,016 --> 00:55:06,256
Speaker 5: turnover of offensive scheme and everybody's got a different way

1194
00:55:06,296 --> 00:55:07,335
Speaker 5: to look at how.

1195
00:55:07,256 --> 00:55:07,816
Speaker 4: You're gonna read this.

1196
00:55:07,856 --> 00:55:09,416
Speaker 5: You're gonna read it low to high, you're gonna read

1197
00:55:09,416 --> 00:55:12,816
Speaker 5: it high to low, or terminology. Just learning it and

1198
00:55:12,856 --> 00:55:14,696
Speaker 5: having it click in your brain as soon as you

1199
00:55:14,896 --> 00:55:18,056
Speaker 5: hear it. In your helmet to where you can visualize it,

1200
00:55:18,176 --> 00:55:20,376
Speaker 5: see it and go out and execute at a high level.

1201
00:55:20,496 --> 00:55:23,616
Speaker 5: It's difficult. So I know Trevor Lawrence's smart guy. He's

1202
00:55:23,616 --> 00:55:26,216
Speaker 5: been with a lot of different coordinators, but it is

1203
00:55:26,296 --> 00:55:30,376
Speaker 5: difficult with that much change over such a small period

1204
00:55:30,376 --> 00:55:31,536
Speaker 5: of time in his young career.

1205
00:55:32,056 --> 00:55:35,096
Speaker 3: My final point is out of football. But UFC just

1206
00:55:35,136 --> 00:55:38,016
Speaker 3: signed a big deal with Paramount Paramount Plus. Yeah, so

1207
00:55:38,136 --> 00:55:41,016
Speaker 3: they're going to do starting a twenty twenty six Paramount

1208
00:55:41,056 --> 00:55:44,936
Speaker 3: play paid seven billion dollars for seven years billion. The

1209
00:55:45,096 --> 00:55:47,656
Speaker 3: UFC pay per view is no more if you have

1210
00:55:47,696 --> 00:55:48,376
Speaker 3: Paramount Plus.

1211
00:55:48,456 --> 00:55:50,256
Speaker 4: Yes, idea of Paramount Plus.

1212
00:55:50,336 --> 00:55:54,416
Speaker 3: You get everything on Paramount Plus. That's the numbered fights,

1213
00:55:54,456 --> 00:55:56,856
Speaker 3: that's the fight nights. CBS I think is going to

1214
00:55:56,856 --> 00:55:59,416
Speaker 3: carry five of the big ones all year for free

1215
00:55:59,416 --> 00:56:01,136
Speaker 3: as well, like on network.

1216
00:56:01,216 --> 00:56:02,456
Speaker 5: Tell you that work television.

1217
00:56:02,856 --> 00:56:05,376
Speaker 4: So UFC, dude, I'm telling you.

1218
00:56:05,416 --> 00:56:08,336
Speaker 3: I mean these UFC just okay, So seven billion dollars,

1219
00:56:08,376 --> 00:56:10,936
Speaker 3: no more pay per views. I mean you saw this

1220
00:56:10,976 --> 00:56:14,256
Speaker 3: happen with WWE as well. First going to Peacock and

1221
00:56:14,296 --> 00:56:17,376
Speaker 3: we just watched we You probably don't I love it.

1222
00:56:17,776 --> 00:56:21,616
Speaker 3: Peak Summer Slam was on Peacock WrestleMania, so Peacocks had it,

1223
00:56:21,656 --> 00:56:26,136
Speaker 3: but next year WWE then is moving. There are no

1224
00:56:26,176 --> 00:56:28,416
Speaker 3: more pay per views because these streaming services are so

1225
00:56:28,496 --> 00:56:30,536
Speaker 3: much in the game. They're paying the billions of dollars

1226
00:56:30,576 --> 00:56:34,296
Speaker 3: to get eyeballs over to them. Raw WWE is on Netflix,

1227
00:56:34,616 --> 00:56:37,336
Speaker 3: which you could watch that every Monday. So if you're

1228
00:56:37,376 --> 00:56:40,216
Speaker 3: a fight fan, no more paying for pay per views

1229
00:56:40,656 --> 00:56:42,736
Speaker 3: unless you have to go and buy Paramount Plus, which

1230
00:56:43,576 --> 00:56:46,656
Speaker 3: it's about what's the pay per view cost seventy.

1231
00:56:46,296 --> 00:56:47,496
Speaker 4: Bucks eighty bucks a fight?

1232
00:56:47,576 --> 00:56:49,456
Speaker 3: Eighty bucks a fight and what is there one of

1233
00:56:49,456 --> 00:56:52,815
Speaker 3: those a month? Oh yeah, at least maybe a couple

1234
00:56:52,976 --> 00:56:53,776
Speaker 3: the numbered ones.

1235
00:56:53,856 --> 00:56:55,896
Speaker 4: Yeah, the actual ones that you paid, Yeah, probably one

1236
00:56:55,976 --> 00:56:56,176
Speaker 4: or two.

1237
00:56:56,656 --> 00:56:58,496
Speaker 3: So if you get Paramount Plus then you're saving money.

1238
00:56:58,536 --> 00:57:00,296
Speaker 3: Actually oh yeah, oh for sure, because it's not one

1239
00:57:00,376 --> 00:57:02,456
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty bucks a month for Paramount Plus. It's

1240
00:57:02,496 --> 00:57:04,256
Speaker 3: like eleven to twelve dollars. Yeah, I think I'll pay

1241
00:57:04,296 --> 00:57:06,376
Speaker 3: like thirteen bucks because I get my little Apple reminder

1242
00:57:06,416 --> 00:57:08,576
Speaker 3: because I bought it through Apple, so it reminds me.

1243
00:57:08,736 --> 00:57:10,696
Speaker 3: You can also cancel things really easy if you buy

1244
00:57:10,696 --> 00:57:12,376
Speaker 3: it all through Apple, because you can go into your

1245
00:57:12,376 --> 00:57:13,216
Speaker 3: phone and go like, what are my.

1246
00:57:13,216 --> 00:57:15,456
Speaker 4: Subscriptions, right, I do that all the time because, like I.

1247
00:57:15,456 --> 00:57:17,096
Speaker 3: Think, I still have a tanning Bed membership from like

1248
00:57:17,096 --> 00:57:19,496
Speaker 3: twenty three years ago. That I that I don't know

1249
00:57:19,536 --> 00:57:22,856
Speaker 3: how to turn off. With Apple though, you can just

1250
00:57:22,936 --> 00:57:24,816
Speaker 3: go and say, all right, you still got a little sickness.

1251
00:57:24,536 --> 00:57:25,616
Speaker 4: And you still got a little something.

1252
00:57:25,736 --> 00:57:29,216
Speaker 5: You know. Matt's laughing when he's coughing, coughing, I'm laughing.

1253
00:57:29,376 --> 00:57:32,536
Speaker 3: So big deal, UFC. I go into Paramount Plus, So

1254
00:57:32,576 --> 00:57:34,216
Speaker 3: no more paying for pay per views.

1255
00:57:34,296 --> 00:57:35,136
Speaker 4: Let's go, let's go.

1256
00:57:35,536 --> 00:57:39,376
Speaker 3: Uh, that's it, thanks to TJ Hooja Manzada. That's Matt Castle,

1257
00:57:39,536 --> 00:57:40,056
Speaker 3: very tan.

1258
00:57:40,416 --> 00:57:41,696
Speaker 5: Very tank. Look at me.

1259
00:57:41,856 --> 00:57:43,816
Speaker 3: You don't even look red. No, I feel better, Yeah,

1260
00:57:43,816 --> 00:57:47,616
Speaker 3: you look good. Eighty five percent Over the walking pneumonia,

1261
00:57:48,256 --> 00:57:50,056
Speaker 3: I'd say eighty five percent. I still got a little

1262
00:57:50,096 --> 00:57:51,496
Speaker 3: rasp now it's like limping pneumonia.

1263
00:57:51,616 --> 00:57:52,696
Speaker 4: It's limping pneumonia.

1264
00:57:52,576 --> 00:57:57,136
Speaker 5: Yeah, no more walking, crawling, cral pneumonia, just getting through it.

1265
00:57:57,216 --> 00:57:59,736
Speaker 3: Pick off, Kevin Brandon Ray, I'm Bobby gone. We've had

1266
00:57:59,776 --> 00:58:01,136
Speaker 3: lots to say. We'll see you guys next week.

1267
00:58:01,136 --> 00:58:01,816
Speaker 2: Five body.

1268
00:58:06,936 --> 00:58:09,136
Speaker 1: Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is

1269
00:58:09,176 --> 00:58:12,736
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00:58:12,776 --> 00:58:16,816
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