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Speaker 1: Hey guys, and welcome back to this week's episode of

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Speaker 1: the Let's Be Real Podcast. As always, I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Sammy Jay, and welcome. Thank you so much for taking

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Speaker 1: the time to listen. This week, I got to chat

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Speaker 1: with the incredibly talented Cassidy Pope. Now you may know

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Speaker 1: her from the band Hey Monday, or from winning Season

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Speaker 1: three of The Boys, which I actually voted for her,

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Speaker 1: so glad you won, um, and she actually came out

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Speaker 1: with an album called Thrive and it is quite incredible. UM.

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Speaker 1: We have a really down to earth chat about what

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Speaker 1: it's like being a female artist, especially in country music,

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Speaker 1: what it was like winning the Voice. She goes into

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Speaker 1: some stories that I haven't heard her talk about anywhere else,

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Speaker 1: mental health, the importance of therapy, and she shares a

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Speaker 1: lot about her personal dreaming, which I'm so grateful she did.

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Speaker 1: I hope you guys enjoyed this episode. Cassidy, I am

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Speaker 1: so excited that you are on my podcast. I'm excited

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Speaker 1: to Before we start, I have a quick story to

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Speaker 1: tell you. Okay, when you were on the Voice, I

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Speaker 1: was what I remember so clearly, it was my obsession

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Speaker 1: with a voice, and I remember I voted for you.

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Speaker 1: I was when you first auditioned and you performed torn.

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh my goodness, and I just remember

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Speaker 1: watching the show so vividly. So this is very full

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Speaker 1: circle for me that you're on my podcast now. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for voting. I appreciate that. It's like, that's level.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think things worked out pretty well. It's

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Speaker 1: because of you, because of your vote. That vote, man,

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Speaker 1: that that one vote, that one vote me and my

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Speaker 1: brother did when we called in sent me over. It's amazing.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. It feels like a I mean, I was

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Speaker 1: a different person, Like it was just a whole other

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Speaker 1: life was insane. I mean, before the pandemic feels like

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Speaker 1: a different life. I agree, like nine lives. I feel

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Speaker 1: like it's kind of like a cat it is. It is. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: last year was like I don't I think it was

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Speaker 1: it was a blur, right. I That's the thing. I'm

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Speaker 1: like randomly remembering these weird little memories. I'm like, oh wait,

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Speaker 1: that wasn't that long ago, but it feels like ten

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Speaker 1: years ago. Yeah, it's And this year I feel like

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Speaker 1: has flown by because things have opened back up and

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Speaker 1: It's like, my endurance isn't what it used to be.

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Speaker 1: So if I have like one thing to do on

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Speaker 1: I had to do today. Oh yeah, I'm I'm a

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Speaker 1: freshman in college and I'm living on campus, and my

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Speaker 1: It's weird socializing with people in person. Yeah, I actually

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Speaker 1: found that I think I might prefer the internet, UM

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Speaker 1: that thing with people like I think it's I think

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Speaker 1: when we embrace it, it can be really amazing. Like

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Speaker 1: last year getting to UM, I did a bunch of

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Speaker 1: So you know, it's sometimes you just have to lean

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Speaker 1: There's something about being in person and having that connection.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think like in doses, both things are great,

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Speaker 1: much art has come out of this pandemic, and it's

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Speaker 1: like for everybody, it's given us time to really reflect

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Speaker 1: That's what's so awesome. You wrote an entire album from

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Speaker 1: like you said, it's all about perspective and we can

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Speaker 1: limiting yourself. You know, there are for a while, there's

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Speaker 1: which is very hard to do as an artist, especially

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Speaker 1: just going in with songwriters that helped sort of aid

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Speaker 1: because I rewatched your audition for the Boys and Christina

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Speaker 1: And and like the fans that I've all kind of

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Speaker 1: there are so many pressures of what you should be

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Speaker 1: certain moment besides the Hey Monday reunion, where you're like, man,

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Speaker 1: I really miss this side to me that I haven't

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Speaker 1: been fully letting UM show through my music. Oh that's

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Speaker 1: a good question. Um. I think when I'm on stage

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Speaker 1: handle this phrase well, or I don't handle it well

429
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 1: when somebody, you know, if my boyfriend walks ahead of

430
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 1: me in a social setting and I feel abandoned like that,

431
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,400
Speaker 1: that kind of those small moments that really trigger me

432
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 1: and just to know where they come from is so great.

433
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,159
Speaker 1: And then like targeting those memories and reprocessing them to

434
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 1: not affect you as badly is a game changer like that,

435
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 1: That kind of therapy has been amazing for me. And

436
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 1: it's not even like, Okay, this happened in the past,

437
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 1: but then you can work on how to because you're

438
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,199
Speaker 1: aware of it, how to make that not trigger you

439
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 1: so much in the future. Yeah, it's taking the power back,

440
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 1: which is so powerful, and I feel like I don't know,

441
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 1: I could go on about therapy for hours. I highly

442
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 1: recommend it. It's it's just if you want to be

443
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 1: grow as a human, you don't have to have issues

444
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: to go to therapy, which is a weird stigma with it.

445
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 1: Obviously you want to go into therapy for yourself to

446
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 1: feel better and um improve and and just know yourself better.

447
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: But the collateral, like the positive collateral from that is

448
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 1: so amazing, Like your your relationships to get better. Um,

449
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 1: you might you might lose some relationships. The more you grow,

450
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 1: the more you might grow away from people. And that's okay,

451
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 1: that's not a bad thing though, it's not a bad thing.

452
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 1: It's actually really great because you're the more you step

453
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: into yourself and who you really want to be, the

454
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: more you become aligned with people that will help you

455
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: with that, you know. So it's it's just all around,

456
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: like it helps everybody around involved, like you and the

457
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 1: people that are that you're in relationship with. And I

458
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: know you said you you're in Hey Monday before the voice,

459
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,199
Speaker 1: but you said you've been in the industry since you

460
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 1: were twelve. Yeah, what were you doing at twelve? I know,

461
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:06,439
Speaker 1: it's it's been a long journey. Um, I was. I

462
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: took voice lessons from four years old, and then my

463
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: voice coach would get all of her students together to

464
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,199
Speaker 1: go play at fairs and festivals and really got us

465
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 1: on stage young, which is great. And I think I

466
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 1: was playing some fair or festival in West Palm Beach

467
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: for Radio Disney and um, a couple of sorry continuing,

468
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: and we have talked about Radio Disney for a second, Okay,

469
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: I mean it was like put on by Radio Disney.

470
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 1: I wasn't exactly like a Radio Disney artist, you know,

471
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: but there were there was this couple who were managers

472
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: who worked for Radio Disney who liked me, and we're like,

473
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 1: I think I was like twelve or thirteen at the time,

474
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 1: and they wanted to help me with my career. And

475
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 1: so from that day forward, I had managers and I had, um,

476
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: you know, gone to different music conferences and sang acapella

477
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: for people and trying to get record deals. And by

478
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 1: fifteen I had my first record deal with Drive Through

479
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: Records and yeah, and I was on there for a year.

480
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: Didn't work out because I was writing pop punk songs

481
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 1: and they wanted like really obscure indie music. Um, and

482
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: so I just got off that and then just kept

483
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 1: kept that process, basically going, oh my goodness. So I

484
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: worked for Radio Disney for four years. Oh I love

485
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 1: Radio Disney, but I just I feel like I didn't

486
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: quite make it fully into the Radio Disney realm. It

487
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: was more of like these managers worked for Ray Disney

488
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: and then they left Rady Disney to just be managers.

489
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 1: I see. So, but you've been in it for a

490
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 1: long time. Yeah, I relate to that. I've been. I started.

491
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 1: My first interview was when I was thirteen. Oh my god,

492
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: that's amazing. So I've been Yeah, five and a half years.

493
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: I've been working and I've loved every second of it.

494
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: But it's really interesting. I'm sure you can really late

495
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: like when you're working at it at a young age,

496
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: I always gravitated towards people that were older than me,

497
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: and I had trouble kind of finding my group with

498
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 1: people that were my own age because I was always

499
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 1: focusing on my career and like what's next. You said

500
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: you were touring eighteen. Do you think you missed out

501
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 1: on anything? Or are you like me? And that's just

502
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,199
Speaker 1: kind of the path that we were given, and you

503
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 1: were kind of like mentally older than the age you

504
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 1: always were. Yeah, I agree, that's I The more I

505
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: talked to my friends who went to college and stuff,

506
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: the more I felt. I feel like I I got

507
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: some insane life experience very quickly at a very young

508
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: age that you know. And I'm not saying college is bad.

509
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: I think it's great. Um, it's different for everybody. It's

510
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: different for everybody, though not everyone is meant to go. Yeah,

511
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: and I and it's always there. I got my high

512
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: school diplolmost I could always go back. But um, but yeah,

513
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 1: I definitely feel like it was the right path for me.

514
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: It was I all I wanted was to get on

515
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: the road, and I my parents were really supportive. I

516
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: mean my mom was the most supportive. And um, I

517
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: just had this opportunity staring me in the face and

518
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: it wasn't even a question. I was like, I'm not

519
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: going to college when I've got a follow up boy

520
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: tour to go on, Like I'm going to do that

521
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: and think about school later. But I was in a

522
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: very rare position where I had a record deal and

523
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: I had big tours lined up, Like I totally get

524
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: the the sort of um conflicting feelings of do I

525
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: go to school or do I pursue this when there

526
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: isn't a deal and there aren't tours already lined up

527
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: and stuff, So I do I do. See how unique

528
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: my experience was. And then the Voice came along. Okay,

529
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: a few questions, how is that? How do you deal

530
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: with that kind of pressure on live TV? People literally

531
00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: voting to determine your fate, Because when you think of

532
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: it like that, it's really weird. It is. And and and

533
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: you know, I came off the road touring and competition

534
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: was not in my vocabulary. I've never been competitive as

535
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: far as my music goes. Maybe when I was a

536
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: kid and like before i'd like matured, I'd be like,

537
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: that doesn't count. Yeah, I want to beat here and whatever.

538
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,479
Speaker 1: I want to be the best karaoke singer. I don't know,

539
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: but I but in my adulthood going on tour and

540
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: being being on tour with your friends, it's like a party.

541
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: It's so much fun and it's not competitive. You go

542
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: up and you sing during each other's sets, and you

543
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,719
Speaker 1: sleep on each other's buses, have sleepovers, and it's just

544
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,959
Speaker 1: really fun and not competitive at all. So going into

545
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: the Voice was terrifying, and I could see how other

546
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: people were super competitive, and they were walking up and

547
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: down the halls doing their crazy runs and stuff just

548
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: to kind of intimidate each other. And and the pressure

549
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: was so stide, like, oh yeah, since the voice. I

550
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: I have a hard time with live television. To be

551
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: completely honest, I I do it and I think I

552
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: do a great job, but inside I am a complete

553
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: and total mess. I am a mess. I remember when

554
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: it was like when they were like about to announce,

555
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: like who is the winner? And I remember I was

556
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: like me and my brother were like a boat to there, like,

557
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: oh my god, what's what's gonna like they build it

558
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: up and Carson was like it was just I was like,

559
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: just say it already. And I know they do that

560
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: on purpose, but like, what is it like actually being there?

561
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: And then you're like, I don't my goodness, Yeah did

562
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: it feel like hours? It did? It felt so long,

563
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: and it was like I didn't feel like I had

564
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: it in the bag at all. Because Terry McDermott, who

565
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: was the runner up, he he just like stole everybody's

566
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: heart and I loved him so much. He's he's a

567
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: great guy and Scottish and sings eighties classic songs like

568
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: What's not to Love? You Know, has a cute little family,

569
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,239
Speaker 1: and I just I just was like, I almost at

570
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: that point, was like, I hope he wins, because I

571
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: really well, I thought that he had the better voice,

572
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: and I thought that he deserved it more or something

573
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: because he's been in the industry way longer, and like,

574
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just I'm a self sabotage person.

575
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: So I was like, yeah, give it to him, and um,

576
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: so yeah, it was really really awful. And now I

577
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: I watch it here and there, but I have a

578
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: hard time like keeping my heart right down and and

579
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: feeling normal. Okay, Cassidy, we have to take one final break,

580
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: but when we come back, let's talk a bit more

581
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: about some of the crazy experiences on the Voice. I

582
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: also want to talk about your own music and your

583
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: perspective on social media and so much more. We'll be

584
00:32:55,080 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: right back, and we're back. I would say after your season,

585
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: only watched like one other season because it was just

586
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: too much for my anxiety. I was like, I can't

587
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: do this. By the way, this is a side note,

588
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: your outfit and your audition was iconic. Ah where was

589
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: that blue dress from? And those red and those red

590
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: boots those I remember seeing that when I was telling,

591
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: I was like, I want that. Oh my god. I

592
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: couldn't believe they let me wear that. I was like,

593
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: here's the weird outfit that I like. And I was great.

594
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: And the dress was I think from um Forever twenty one,

595
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: and then the shoes were, Oh my god, I think

596
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: Shoe Dazzle or one of those like online shoes places.

597
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: I was super broke, so I the dress I had

598
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: in my closet for forever. The shoes I remember like

599
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: getting them and like calling whatever the company was to

600
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,959
Speaker 1: cancel my membership because I couldn't afford another month of it.

601
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: And they kept me on the phone for an hour

602
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: and we're like, are you sure you want to kid?

603
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, I just I broke, can't afford this. I

604
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: just I can't afford this. I just wanted these pairs

605
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: of shoes. Yeah, And so it was kind of hilarious

606
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: that that those that was the outfit that I wore

607
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 1: to audition for the point. Do you still have the

608
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: dress and the shoes? Yeah, oh yeah, I've kept it

609
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: all good as you should. And that audition song, What

610
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: was it like getting the four chair turn? Because how

611
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: do you keep singing during that? I know, I know

612
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: we're going back memory lane, but why not? No, It's

613
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 1: it's a good question because it is actually something that

614
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: the producers talked to all of us about before the

615
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: blind auditions. They were like, we understand the pressure and anxiety,

616
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: and if you have a chair turn, we understand like

617
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: the relief you're going to feel. But if you stop

618
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: singing and you like dropped the floor, you drop your mic, whatever,

619
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 1: and you just get so excited that you made it through,

620
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 1: We're probably not going to air your audition because that's

621
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: that's not going to be good TV to like see

622
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: somebody just oh, I got a chair turn, I'm gonna

623
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 1: stop singing. So that was motivation for me because like

624
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: I did not for the I did not for one

625
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: second think I was going to win this show. So

626
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: I was like, I got to make sure they air

627
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: my blind audition because I'm not gonna last very long

628
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: and I just need all the exposure I can get.

629
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: So that's what I was thinking. When they turned, I

630
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 1: was like, you gotta keep singing, you gotta get this

631
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: to be aired. I don't know how you do that,

632
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: Like that's something so incredible, and you have all these

633
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: like incredible, like iconic artists. That's you really think about

634
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: the whole show. It's so intimidating. It is the most

635
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: intimidating part is when their backs are turned to you.

636
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: And then once they're turned around and you see them

637
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: interacting and like reacting to your your voice, then it's easier.

638
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 1: Like I've never sung to people's backs before, so it

639
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: was weird. Yeah, it's it's a weird power dynamic too. Yeah,

640
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: I will say maybe this is controversial. I don't know,

641
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: but I think your season was probably one of the

642
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: best seasons of the Voice Thanks. It was so new,

643
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 1: it was still like it didn't feel like repetitive. It

644
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: was so fresh. It wasn't people trying. It was just

645
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 1: people who loved music, and everybody had a different vibe.

646
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 1: Like I remember looking around and being like, I don't

647
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: know who's gonna win because we're also different from each other,

648
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: and that's that's what was special. And then they would

649
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: have us all singing together for these numbers and it

650
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: was like amazing because we all just sounded different but

651
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: harmonized with each other. And it was. It was a

652
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: really special season. Yeah, and then you released Wasting All

653
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,760
Speaker 1: These Tears, which I remember seeing that music video like

654
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: because I was in middle school. I told you I

655
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: I followed you for a minute and I was remember

656
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: being in middle school. That's amazing remember seeing that video

657
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:43,720
Speaker 1: and I was like, whoa, this girl went off. Well.

658
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 1: I one of my like dreams as a kid when

659
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: I would like envision a career in music was like

660
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: I get to be I get to act in music videos,

661
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: like my own songs. Like I'm not an actress, but

662
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 1: I get to like play one for like a day

663
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: with the dresses and the lights and the whole vibe.

664
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: That is one of my favorite parts of what I do, too,

665
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: is is being in music videos and getting to like

666
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 1: live out my childhood dreams. Absolutely. That one was definitely

667
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: one of my favorites of just the there were so

668
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 1: many different setups. It was like, you know, full day.

669
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 1: It was so extra in the best way. Yeah, And

670
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: and like the indoor swing with the with the rain

671
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: was just crazy. I couldn't believe that they figured that out,

672
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: and I just felt like this isn't this is a

673
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: major label video shoot? Cool? Was that the moment where

674
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: you felt like you made it or whatever whatever it

675
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 1: quote made it means? Have you ever felt that or

676
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: do you still feel like you're working on that? I

677
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: still feel like I'm working on that. Yeah, really, Yeah,

678
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: I've got a Grammy nomination. Girl. I am so I am.

679
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 1: I'm proud of the things that I've accomplished. I am grateful,

680
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: But I don't you know you're capable of more. I

681
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: know I'm capable of And I also don't really know

682
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,959
Speaker 1: the I don't have the thing that I that. Once

683
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 1: that happens, I'm I'm good. I feel like I've made it.

684
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: I mean, a big bucket list moment is to host

685
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 1: and be musical guest on SNL. But manifest, let's manifest

686
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: Cassidy out there. I I it would be the coolest thing. Um,

687
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: but I don't even then I'd be like, Okay, what's next?

688
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: Like that was so awesome, I'm so happy? What else

689
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: can I do? Maybe if I played a stadium and

690
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: I sold it out and I headlined, maybe that would

691
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: be like, oh, I made it, Because that's to me,

692
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: the most tangible success that you could have is is

693
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: like people coming out to see you play and that

694
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: many people. So maybe maybe that maybe like a stadium

695
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 1: tour would be like here we go, I'm good. I

696
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: totally agree with that, and I totally understand that because

697
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: you always want to work towards something better. But then

698
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 1: I go because I struggle with him like okay, but

699
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 1: then in my focus sing on what's to come? Or

700
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: am I just not living in the moment, which is

701
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: a really hard balance to do. Yeah, what advice do

702
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: you have for me? Or you still going through that yourself? No,

703
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 1: I it's a it's a journey. It's a journey, and

704
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 1: I think I think everything is different, you know. I

705
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 1: think like if you feel like a big weight it's

706
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 1: been lifted and you've accomplished something and you want to

707
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: sit in that for a minute, like, I think you

708
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: should listen to that instinct and sit in it and

709
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: and celebrate. And then I think, too, if there's like

710
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: our gut tells us so much. So if you feel,

711
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: oh yeah, if you feel like okay, great, I did that,

712
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: But is it enough to really like take a few

713
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: days off to just enjoy it um or can I

714
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: enjoy it? Because while simultaneously continuing to work forward. That's

715
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: usually where I land, it's like, Okay, I can I

716
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: can enjoy this and celebrate while staying productive. We're also

717
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: we're in a world where social media everything is defined

718
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: and you're defined by that outward success of what other

719
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:01,919
Speaker 1: people say of your projects. But the end of the day,

720
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: it just matters how you feel about it and if

721
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: you're proud of it. That's so much easier said than done.

722
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: But what has it been like because social media when

723
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 1: you were like on the Voice was not nearly as

724
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: prevalent as it is now, and it's I've struggled with

725
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:20,439
Speaker 1: a very uh toxic relationship with social media because it's

726
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: so easy to compare yourself to people, how many followers

727
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 1: you have, all this and that, um, And that's what

728
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: a big part of the music business has become about

729
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: how many followers you have. How have you dealt with

730
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: navigating that when you're just an artist and you care

731
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: about the art. I've um over the past year and

732
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: a half really paid attention to what sets me apart

733
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:46,760
Speaker 1: instead of how can I be as popular as this person?

734
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: I love that mindset, Yeah, because because I'm not, I

735
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,879
Speaker 1: don't I love I think it's beautiful when women show

736
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,720
Speaker 1: their bodies I think it's amazing when men show their bodies.

737
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 1: I think it's like you're you know, you have agency

738
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: over your body what you do with it. So I

739
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 1: have no problem with that. I personally don't feel comfortable.

740
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: I don't want to say ever, because I might tomorrow

741
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: I'll be like, you know what fun I'm gonna wear

742
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 1: a bathing suit on Instagram, but as of late, I don't.

743
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: I'm not a bikini selfie poster. I feel that, and

744
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: I think it's great when people do it, but I

745
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: do see that gets way more engagement than anything I post.

746
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:32,479
Speaker 1: But then I'm like, well, you know, people want to

747
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: look at that kind of stuff. Maybe there's more people

748
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 1: that want to look at women that look amazing in

749
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: a bathing suit, are comfortable enough to show their bodies

750
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: more than seeing me play like turning my chemical romance

751
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,959
Speaker 1: song into a country song acoustic. You know, I don't

752
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: know what the mainstream audience wants, but I can't focus

753
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 1: on that. You can't focus on that because social media,

754
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: like as big as it is, it doesn't account for

755
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,280
Speaker 1: everybody in the world. It doesn't and it doesn't define

756
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: your success or your talent. How many likes you have yeah, exactly.

757
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 1: So I I've I see it. I pay attention to it.

758
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: Sometimes it gets to me, but most of the time,

759
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 1: I'll like be like, I'm want to look at my

760
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: feed and just see how it looks. And I'm like,

761
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: that looks like me. That looks like me. I'm a

762
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: I'm goofy. I'm an artist. I I am a musician.

763
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: I love my dogs, I love my boyfriend, I love

764
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: my family, I love my friends. That's what you're getting

765
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: on my page, You're not. I don't. Sometimes I'm like,

766
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 1: I love my makeup today. I opposed to selfie as

767
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: you should. That's completely self indulgent. And I lean into

768
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 1: that when I feel like it, you know, But my

769
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 1: page looks like me, and that's I have to I

770
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 1: do intentionally, Like I have to stick with that, you know,

771
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: because of the pressure. Oh absolutely. And I think something

772
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: I'm realizing as I'm getting older, being a girl, being

773
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: a young woman, being a woman, it's so hard. Yeah,

774
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: you have the interesting perspective of like country music that's

775
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: such a male dominated industry where so much of the

776
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 1: songs are so sexist. What was that like being a

777
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: woman in that industry and what was the biggest thing

778
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 1: you've learned about someone you don't want to be and

779
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: who you want to be moving forward. I think like

780
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 1: aligning myself with there are people in Nashville that are

781
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,720
Speaker 1: like minded and like agree with a lot of the things.

782
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 1: You know, Oh, of course it's not everybody, it's not everybody.

783
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: So I've just aligned with the people that I know

784
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: are are working for change, and they're advocating for artists

785
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: of color, at anybody of color in the country realm. Like,

786
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: there's so many producers and songwriters that just don't get

787
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 1: the time of day. So like just just aligning with

788
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 1: those initiatives, aligning with those people that really want to

789
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: make that happen. Um no, and when to speak up

790
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,280
Speaker 1: and when to step back, you know, all that stuff.

791
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 1: But like, I think the thing that I've struggled with

792
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:11,720
Speaker 1: more than you know, the dudes that sing the songs

793
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: that objectify women, really was mainly just like my experience

794
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: with a country label, because there is this pressure put

795
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: on you to be digestible, to be um cute, um,

796
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: you know, don't like roll off the plane at six

797
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,479
Speaker 1: am after you went on at four five am flight,

798
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: roll into the radio station without makeup, on, like you

799
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: better get ready in that airport bathroom, have the blonde

800
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: hair with the extensions. Yeah, yeah, all of that, Like

801
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: just you know, don't don't show your tattoos all the time,

802
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: like cover them up sometimes. I remember one, like one

803
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: promo shot, I caught them editing out my tattoo on

804
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: my arm and I was like, what are you gonna

805
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 1: how are how are you gonna explain it when I

806
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: go to people in person and they see a tattoo

807
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: and not in the picture. And also like I remember

808
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: that too from your audition, Like it was like very distinctive.

809
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: It's not like a little like little whatever, you know,

810
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: it's it's what is it by the way? Um? Well,

811
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: and and it's hand tattoo too, like you can't cover that.

812
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's all music related. There's like it's harder

813
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: show I guess. Um there's a bird singing, which was

814
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: my first tattoo. That was my first one the day

815
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,919
Speaker 1: after I turned eighteen. Um, this one is the This

816
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: is from the follow up boy tour I was on

817
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 1: where like when on on like a world tour for

818
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: a year basically eighteen which was amazing. Um. And then

819
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 1: this is from my great Grandpa. I would call him pappy,

820
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:43,879
Speaker 1: but when I was too young to pronounce it, i'd

821
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: call him happy and Hey Monday. Well before we were

822
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: Hey Monday, we were Blake Um Blake showcase for Columbia

823
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: Records on my pappy's birthday and he had passed at

824
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: that point, but we got signed, so I was like, oh,

825
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,720
Speaker 1: he's looking out for me, so like a happy face.

826
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: That's Blake and you had Blake Shelton. I know it

827
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,760
Speaker 1: wasn't that weird. Blake's my middle name, so wait what,

828
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 1: I know it's like a cosmic thing. If you have

829
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: a kid, you should name it Blake, just to make

830
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: it even more full circle. No, I know that would

831
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: be that would make sense. Passity, thank you so much

832
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 1: for coming on my podcast. I know you're so busy.

833
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: I know you're writing, I know you're doing, but this

834
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: conversation just means so much. Thank you. Thanks for having

835
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: me and like being down to talk about some some

836
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,800
Speaker 1: deep stuff. It was awesome. I'm like, you're so wise

837
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: for your age, Like I am still blown away that

838
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 1: you're what are you eighteen nineteen? Just for nineteen? Oh

839
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: my gosh, Yeah, You're gonna be just fine. Thank you

840
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,240
Speaker 1: so much, Cassidy again for coming on this week's episode

841
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: of Let's Be Real Podcast. I hope you guys enjoyed it.

842
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: Subscribe to the podcast if you haven't already, and follow

843
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: me on Instagram and it's Sammy J. That's I T

844
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: S S A M M Y J A y E.

845
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: I love hearing your comments. DM me always if you

846
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 1: have any questions or if you just want to chat.

847
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 1: My d m s are open and I will see

848
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: you guys next week with another very special episode. Bye guys.

849
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 1: Yeah