1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:05,320 Speaker 1: Wine Down with Janet Kramer and I Heart Radio podcast 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 1: The Gangs Back Together. I like it in the bands 3 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: together in the same room where I can touch you 4 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:19,920 Speaker 1: and see your faces. You know. It's so that's all right, 5 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: a real lovey, cuddly Catherine. That's me. Have you guys 6 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: had any embarrassing moments to start your year? Because I 7 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 1: have this sounds like it. Do tell well it involves you. 8 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 1: Oh oh no, did I embarrass you? Oh? I got 9 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 1: nervous what happened? So I was, oh no, no, no, 10 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:45,480 Speaker 1: I'm not letting you be this way. Oh I am 11 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:47,919 Speaker 1: I'm going to be this way. I can't. I don't 12 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: know what's up. I'm not entertaining this. I'm going to 13 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:51,560 Speaker 1: fill you in on this. Cat. This is what happened, 14 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: ready for it. So I'm not letting this is embarrassed. 15 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: This is cringe e like fringe. It's cringe because you 16 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: love me. But it does not need to be cringe 17 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: e because I love you. So I was in Scotland 18 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:12,279 Speaker 1: with my boyfriend and boyfriend we got a B word 19 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: on the podcast. I'm not reacting this time. I know 20 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: they always get my like faces anyway. So anyways, in 21 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: Scotland with the boyfriend and say it again. We'd like 22 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: to hear it. But I was putting my makeup on, 23 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: and you know, I like to when either when I'm 24 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: running or do my makeup, I like to make some 25 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: FaceTime calls. I don't FaceTime Catherine because she hates facetiming. 26 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: So there's certain people that FaceTime. By the way, I 27 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: don't thoroughly enjoy it, but like face timing you just 28 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: so we're clear because you don't like it. Not my 29 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: preference really well, especially when I'm facetiming my sweet beautiful 30 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: actress friend with her brand new boobs, like just's some 31 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: sort of wapping the floor at home. Yeah, I have 32 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: like a side ponytail and she's like Baywatch theme music 33 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: is playing and she's on the treadmill and like there 34 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: she is, Hey, BF, what's going on? So people stand 35 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: in the darkness. I'm like, Pam Anderson is online one 36 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: I better answer that anyway. So anyhoo, I thought you 37 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: liked facetiming, and that's the second part of this embarrassing 38 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: now story. I actually really only like it with certain 39 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: people and I love it with you, so that should 40 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:35,519 Speaker 1: be good. Well, I I just like to see people's faces. Yeah, 41 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: when I talk and Katherine, to be fair, we're not 42 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:41,119 Speaker 1: really like we were were way more text her. We're 43 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 1: way more text her. But we also see each other 44 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 1: in personally, that's true. Yeah, we don't see each other 45 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 1: in person as much. Right. So, well, so I was 46 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: facetiming with you. I was like, oh, I'm putting a 47 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: makeup on, and so he has he'll talk to like 48 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:02,079 Speaker 1: his brother whoever, and and so I've wanted for him 49 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: to meet my people too. Rite so I'm like, oh, 50 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: I'm gonna FaceTime Kristen, and then you know, you can 51 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: meet the b off again because you've based on him 52 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: a few times. But the first time he was like 53 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: driving and he was trying to concentrate on keeping you safe, 54 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: and he was in his turtle neck looking dap so cute, 55 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: and so um we FaceTime. We're having this great conversation 56 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: and it's you know, it's awesome you you talked to him, 57 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: Uh were you know, I'm doing my makeup, I'm getting 58 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: ready for like a really fun night out in Scotland, 59 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: and I'm just waking up. It's a great conversation. It's 60 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: so great. Cut two the next day, we land back 61 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: in England and I'm driving what you're driving? I mean, 62 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: I'm not driving, not only just don't even do the highways. 63 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: So when a really slow white car, I'm like, that's 64 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: probably Cramer. Definitely not Cramer. Did you see how she drove? 65 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: That's true. You know why I thought I was driving 66 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: because I was in the driver's seat. Oh yeah, in England, right, 67 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 1: So it's like the other side, it's so strange. Um okay. 68 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:26,720 Speaker 1: So anyways, so driving and it was like, I'm scrolling 69 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 1: on Instagram and I see your birthday post and I go, 70 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: oh ship, and I'm almost so loud that he got 71 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: into an accident, you know. I freaked mys like what 72 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, oh no, oh no, 73 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: oh no. I go yesterday, I go it was Christine's birthday. 74 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: He's like, okay, I go. We face time with her. 75 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: I had her on the phone. She was actually like 76 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:58,919 Speaker 1: the first call of the day. So I was like, 77 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: we'll look at Cramer not and I was like, hey girl, girl, 78 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 1: hey girl girl, not even like and I'm like, what's 79 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: even worse is we were on the phone with her 80 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: and I didn't say happy birthday. It is not even 81 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: this big of a d live for my birthday. But 82 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 1: I never expect anyone else to live for my birthday, 83 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: like it means a lot to me, one of your 84 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: best friends. And the fact that I forgot what day 85 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 1: it was, I mean, you can and you were so 86 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 1: sweet like you're you've been traveling and it doesn't matter. 87 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 1: I was like, you don't. I was like, first of all, 88 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: San Diego, I don't even know where you are. You 89 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:40,359 Speaker 1: don't know what day it is. You don't even know 90 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: if you've arrived the same day you left, Like, how 91 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 1: would you know it's my birthday? Because I should have 92 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 1: I should have done in a day. I don't care 93 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: the excuses that was. I felt so bad, but the 94 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,919 Speaker 1: fact that we were on the phone together made it 95 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: so much worse. I mean, I wasn't expecting you guys 96 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 1: to be like hit it and and shethday. You're a 97 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: singer and he has a Scottish accent. I was like, oh, 98 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 1: this is gonna be good, just kidding, kidding. So when 99 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: I didn't say happy birthday, I mean, you so gracefully 100 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: just hung up the phone. I love you. I mean, 101 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 1: I was let me just waking up. What did you think, 102 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: go ahead, you can call me the you know, just terrible. 103 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: I honestly, honestly, I was like so cute that she 104 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: called me on my birthday. I just moved along like 105 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:34,039 Speaker 1: I wasn't. It doesn't make it like it has to 106 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 1: be like I'm tracing you for your birthday, happy birthday. 107 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: Like it's like you already one, Like what are we doing? 108 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: So you thought she was calling you for your birthday? 109 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: I forgot to say happy birthday because she's also with 110 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 1: her boyfriend the word, and I was like, oh, that's exciting, 111 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: Like I just don't. I'm just so like, but she 112 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 1: really forgot that it was your birthday? Well, I don't 113 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: think she knew a day it was. Let's talk about 114 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 1: her like she's not here. I don't think we're not 115 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: getting together. I honestly was like she had just gotten there, 116 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: So I was like she might just even not know, 117 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: like when she wrote and she was like, I'm so embarrassed. 118 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 1: I'm like, you're not allowed to be embarrassed. You don't 119 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: even maybe know what day it is, And I truthfully didn't. 120 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: I had no idea what because when I'm there, it's 121 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: such a different world, right, So I don't have my 122 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: responsibilities and I don't have work, like a lot of 123 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: work to do, and so I didn't I truly didn't 124 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: know what day it was. And we also don't arrive 125 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: the same day that you was the fact we were 126 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: on the phone. Okay, that really just I believe I 127 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: should have done and said hey you. I cannot believe 128 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: I forgot to say happy birthday. That's the whole reason 129 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: I called you, and we would have moved right through 130 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: and we would not have listened to honest. I then 131 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: went knee deep and was like, I got I got it. 132 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: I was like, I know, you actually made a reel 133 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: that made me cry. I was just like, I was like, 134 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: I was going to do a post anyways, but I 135 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: was like, you got a whole. I gotta I gotta 136 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: a hole. And I was like, I go, I gotta 137 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: make this up to her one second and I go 138 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: give me the next twenty minutes. I mean, I read 139 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: out take for like the last like nine years, and 140 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: I was so adding. I was just like making this 141 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: real because I was like, I gotta make this so good. 142 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: But the best part was he was so cute. He 143 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: was trying to help me pick the song Hasty be 144 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: Jessica Simpsons song, and so we're listening to Jessica Simpson 145 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: music and she's obsessed Jessica Simpson. I go, but no 146 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: one else is going to get this. So I'm like 147 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: with you with and he's like, I can't in person 148 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: in his Scottish accent, he's like, I don't know if 149 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: that's that's that's totally British, so it's like terrible, I can't, 150 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: But in his cute little Scottish accent, he's like, I 151 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: don't think people are going to get that, you know 152 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: what I mean. He's like that when it sounds, it 153 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: sounds like you're you're like lesbian lovers with her. I 154 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: was like, well, I am, also, yeah, like we can't. 155 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: We actually have a secret side promise that we'll raise 156 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 1: our babies together things at the fans. Yeah. Meanwhile, I'm 157 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: panicking because you post the day after and I'm like, 158 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: I texted her on the wrong day, but then you 159 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: didn't respond, So I was like, I don't even know 160 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: if I have which is fine, everyone's texting on your birthday. 161 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: I'm not, you know, but I'm just like wrong. So 162 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: I got a Facebook and I'm like dude, I have 163 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: the wrong or right, and then queened him also Julie 164 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,719 Speaker 1: Tech Happy birthday, Chris. I was like, oh yeah, got 165 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:06,719 Speaker 1: the wrong day. Well, the queendom chats full of Leo's too, 166 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 1: so I just never expect the Leo's to come out first. 167 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: I don't. I'm usually terrible with birthdays, and I got you. 168 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. It doesn't matter to me with birthdays. 169 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: I am, I love you. It's seventh. I'm always and 170 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: you always say you guys. Am I the only one 171 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: that is just like not concerned like I really am, 172 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: and especially mine because I'm January three. It's like it's 173 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: been Christmas, it's been New Year, like everyone is finally 174 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: taking a deep breath, and now you're you have to 175 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: expect to get like calendar rally and come back for me. 176 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,439 Speaker 1: I'm January three. I'm fine. I mean, but I reeled 177 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: it hard. That was like, my so sorry, you made 178 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: me cry. And then I felt bad because I was 179 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 1: sitting with Preston husband watching he made a real two 180 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: and it didn't make me cry. So I felt bad 181 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,599 Speaker 1: because he's like I was like, look what look what 182 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 1: Kreamer made for me? And he's like you, he gets 183 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 1: I have like artist's best friend, artist husbands. Everybody gets 184 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: really ultra competitive. Who's going to get the A C 185 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: M for best real and the birthday? Anyway, So it 186 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: was cute and I was not upset at all. I 187 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:14,319 Speaker 1: don't get upset. I know, well, I love you and 188 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, and I'm going to do better with birthdays. 189 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 1: I just truly I you know, I had to put 190 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 1: them in my phone. I forget to put them in 191 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: my phone. I've been trying to be better about that, 192 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: and then I do the reoccurring so every year. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 193 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 1: So I haven't celebrated yours because you were out of town, 194 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 1: so we owe it to each other. Where was I? 195 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: Oh no, I was here alone? Yeah by myself. Oh no, 196 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 1: she was supposed to be out of town. Yeah yeah, 197 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:38,079 Speaker 1: good job. Yeah. And You're like, hey, guys, just kidding. 198 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, as I'm pulling my suitcase 199 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: through bn A, I'm like, catch you next time. What 200 00:10:56,559 --> 00:11:00,439 Speaker 1: were gonna say? Cattle? Anyway, I feel like you don't 201 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: really look at your calendar, so you probably would have 202 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:07,439 Speaker 1: Catherine her birthday. Katherine does work, Katherine, how do you 203 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 1: feel about that and then she says I She goes, 204 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 1: don't forget whatever, and I'm like question mark or I 205 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:19,719 Speaker 1: just I'm like, nope, please see notes. Please, yeah, just 206 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: check your calendar well, because it's hard because it's like 207 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: the time difference is really tricky to uh with with 208 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: being over there, and I know, like we wanted to 209 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 1: FaceTime you, Preston. I wanted to FaceTime you, but it 210 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: would be so late for you, like you would be 211 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: middle of the night, right because it was like eight 212 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: o'clock for us. Yeah, and then when he gets home 213 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,679 Speaker 1: from work, that's the time where I put it away, 214 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: which is when you guys are all wanting to you know, 215 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: work or videos, and I'm like, I just want to 216 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: spend time with the man. What happens when he gets 217 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 1: home from work? Wow, we light a fire, which is 218 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: so fun. I love lighting fires. You've always been good 219 00:11:55,000 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: at lighting fires and must be we've had this yeah. 220 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,199 Speaker 1: Uh we was really busting her though. The last FaceTime 221 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: he was like, and I can't do a Scottish accent either, 222 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:07,959 Speaker 1: so one of us needs to sign up to get 223 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: really good at that. You can do it when I'm 224 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: around him, but when I when I'm not. I like, yeah, 225 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: I don't know what my net, but it's probably British. 226 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: Let's try it. She's not doing a very good job 227 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: and lighting the fire. I don't know what. I don't 228 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: know what that is. I feel like I feel like 229 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 1: we need like a queendom goes overseas, Queendom to the Kingdom. 230 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 1: We do a wine down tour of that. Let's do 231 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: it in England. Yes, to the Palace we go. Wait, guys, 232 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:45,959 Speaker 1: i'd be really fun. We need to do so are 233 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 1: you listening? We need to do We need your money? 234 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: This is getting right? Um? We should. That would be 235 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,199 Speaker 1: so fun because there's so many tree Hiller fans in England. Yeah, 236 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: I don't like it. On the check Jackie, there's a 237 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: little chat that happens when we record, and sometimes I 238 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: ignored the chat because I think we're getting in trouble. 239 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: First good thing. That would be so much fun, though, 240 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: we should do it. That'd be really fun and then 241 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: we can just have fun. Yeah, well, you guys eventually 242 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:16,719 Speaker 1: meet him, right, but I'm saying like, let's go a 243 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:20,959 Speaker 1: step so we can meet him. Well, this next podcast, 244 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: that would be so much fun. It would be super 245 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: super fun for one of us. Okay, it really actually 246 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,079 Speaker 1: would be fun for all of us. Also, I've never 247 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: been so you've never been were in any of the 248 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 1: any of these? Have you ever ever seen? Yeah? Yeah, 249 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: we never is that overseas. I haven't been anywhere like that. 250 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: You've never been to Europe. I never had it until 251 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: you were supposed to, and her passport was still working 252 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 1: on that. I never goot it for new We need 253 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: to work on your passport it yet. Okay, let's edit 254 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 1: that out because we need my heart to favor, don't 255 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,599 Speaker 1: to be ready to go? Yeah, yeah, no, you gotta 256 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,599 Speaker 1: because you never know. I'm doing it right now and 257 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: my family actually dating someone in London exactly expedite. It's 258 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: on the calendar. Speaking of um traveling, we have a 259 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: real estate agent coming on the show, not a travel agent, 260 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: not a travel agent, but she going with con She 261 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: has a million dollar listing, so you know, if you 262 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: want to she's also adorable, she's she's a badass. Yeah, 263 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: but now she's she's on a million million dollar listing 264 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: l A. It's on Bravo. So it's like, you know, traveling, 265 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: if you want to go to l A, I got 266 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: to go buy a million dollar listening in l A. No, 267 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: I'd like to sell my house. That's for sale. My 268 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: house is for say all everyone dmzu've for dress. Um No, 269 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm building a new house and I'm really 270 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: excited and I have to go. It's it's now officially 271 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: ago and I can officially I can officially officially say 272 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: now that I am officially actually, um, this is exciting. 273 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: We'll have to sell my house. You're going to sell 274 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: your house, but God's just making sure that you don't 275 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: have to go live somewhere else in between, right. I 276 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: like it, but I'm really excited. It was last September 277 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: where I texted Nick, Catherine's husband, and I was just like, 278 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: I need to I need to get out of here. 279 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: It was I started to like see things from like 280 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: because I built this house with Mike, you know, and 281 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: so I just I just want new memories, fresh beginnings 282 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: and uh so, but I also, you know, obviously talked 283 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: to the kids and I was like, hey, you know, 284 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: we're still going to be very close, like even closer 285 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: to Pam in Harlem and everybody. So uh and we 286 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: found a lot that is very private and it just 287 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: feels really good and so yeah, so I've I've been 288 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: kind of quiet about it, so much so that you 289 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: didn't even know I was. My house was up for sale. 290 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: That quendom chat guys sterical, we can revisit it, let's 291 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: do it, Okay, okay, okay. So I follow Nick consocials 292 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, he's like private listing coming 293 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: in in Tennessee, and I'm like, that's Creamer's house. So 294 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: I copy it and send it in the queendom and 295 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: I said, it looks like I might be behind, but 296 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: does anybody else confused where they're going for the next 297 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: one night because I don't think I have the correct 298 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: address anymore. And then it got really good because Julie 299 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: Solomon is hilarious, so funny, and then it just really 300 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: spiraled out of control, like Janna leaving us out of everything, 301 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: and I just really needed to like have a minute 302 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: to process it myself, just because I'm so so there's 303 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 1: just like one step between like yourself. And then it 304 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: go into socials that we get just little lippy loppy. Well, 305 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: I didn't even think about it, like Nick, everybody didn't care. 306 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: I knew you weren't going far right, but I was like, 307 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 1: well this is I loved it. The funniest part of it, 308 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: I think Catherine barely knew too. I mean I really truly. 309 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: I just texted Nick and was just like I would 310 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: like to start talking about I just I just and 311 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 1: then cleaned your house and how to film crew and 312 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 1: then yea and had people come and I was like, 313 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: let's put it up there and then and because I 314 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: was just I just I'm craving that new lightness and 315 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: that energy and specially think it's important you didn't run. Yeah, 316 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 1: like you made peace with the space and now it's time. Yeah, 317 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: and it's gonna be great. It's time to you know, 318 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 1: start the next chapter and seasons of change. The funniest 319 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:54,919 Speaker 1: part of those like in Queendom, were very intimate with 320 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 1: each other, Like we we talked about a lot of 321 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,640 Speaker 1: really personal details, and so we were all just dying 322 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:01,239 Speaker 1: because I was like, I know, when this chick has 323 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: a hangnail, and I don't know when she's listening her home, 324 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 1: I don't know, but I'm excited. But I think it 325 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: was just Also it was even when I put my 326 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 1: house up for sale and I started the contract on 327 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 1: the building a new place, I was still because I 328 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: have that mentality and like how am I going to 329 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 1: afford this? Or how am I gonna? Like that scarcity mindset. 330 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 1: So it's still very scary, but that's where I'm just 331 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 1: kind of like, you know what God will provide and 332 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 1: it's going to be great and it's going to be 333 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:27,159 Speaker 1: a beautiful home for the kids. And the kids have 334 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: been really involved, like I said, all right, Julie, what 335 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 1: do you want for your room? How do you guys? 336 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: And so they they're so excited about it. That makes 337 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: me happy, and yeah, it's just I'm like, all right, 338 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: this feels really good. And I've you know, with the 339 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: acre that we talked about doing UM and therapies, I'm 340 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,439 Speaker 1: going to be very mindful of who I let into 341 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 1: my new space and my new energy. And that's that 342 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: was a huge piece of the work that I've done 343 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: with my our therapist to be like, all right, because 344 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 1: I've let people in here that have I didn't have 345 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: the energy and that I feel like it taints your 346 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: space and I don't. I don't. I want to be 347 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 1: very mindful of who comes in the house. Um, is 348 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: there some guru or something all of us can go to, 349 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 1: because I feel like, I do pretty well battling this 350 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 1: scarcity mindset. Preston as a preacher's kid, so we really 351 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: go through this a lot in our marriage. He has 352 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: a scarcity mindset, Like I want us to all go 353 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:24,199 Speaker 1: do something where we like take the block away? What 354 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 1: is I mean? I listened to the secret and that's 355 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: always helpful to me. And Steve Harvey said a really 356 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: good motivational speech. He still like he said it to 357 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: be um six. He's like, you have to get uncomfortable. 358 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 1: He's like, to be successful, you've got to get uncomfortable comfort. Yeah, 359 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 1: and so it's like, Okay, I am stretching myself with 360 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 1: this new place, but I am I'm gonna I'm gonna 361 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: be able to provide and I have to believe that. 362 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 1: And I have to get uncomfortable to be comfortable. And 363 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: that was something that I love that he said. But yeah, 364 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 1: I would love of that. We should we should find 365 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 1: some rocks in a river. I don't know. I've thrown 366 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: a lot of rocks and the rivers I've got to throw, 367 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: So I'm tired of throwing rocks and rivers. Like I 368 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: just want to be like I'm just I'm saying this 369 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: is season to just be happy. It's just like we 370 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 1: just talked about this. Yeah, I don't even know about 371 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: that talk. Yeah that's a sign. But I was like, 372 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 1: how about we just trying to just be joyful this year? Joyful? 373 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 1: And that has been my word? Really, Yes, I love 374 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 1: that word. That's that's my word. Not even just happy, 375 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 1: like what's happy? You know whatever. Joyful It's such a 376 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 1: good one. Yeah, like why not? Life's too short? Oh, 377 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 1: life is way too short, and you're just choosing joy. 378 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: And I think mine too, is like just kindness, like 379 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: just choosing Yeah. Also just assume great things out of 380 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: people and move along. Yeah, and just be kind. I 381 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: know we talked about that million times, but yeah, I 382 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 1: love the joyful. Its just that's a great one. Just yeah, 383 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: speaking of joyful, wind down makes me joyful. And when 384 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: we're on the road, I get extra joy and we 385 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: are we are. We're going to New York in February 386 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:08,880 Speaker 1: and Boston. I've never been to Boston. You guys. It's 387 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 1: beautiful and it's like fun. Everyone I meet from Boston 388 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with. It's so much fun. I'm excited. I 389 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 1: love Boston. Boston is great and New York is going 390 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 1: to be awesome too. So, um, in February, if you 391 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: guys are listening, wind Down is going to the City 392 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:26,439 Speaker 1: Wineries second Night or the first second night or we 393 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: sold that in Boston. We added another one than New York. 394 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,439 Speaker 1: So we'll see you guys there. It's gonna be really fun. 395 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: But um, all right, let's take a break and let's 396 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: get Tracy Tutor on. Hi guys, Hi so much Hi. Hi. Okay, 397 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 1: So you're I've always tried to um figure out the 398 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 1: difference between a broker and an age. Her her husband's 399 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: a real estate agent, so she was just kind of 400 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: like filling us in, but you are the she no more. Yeah, 401 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: but now I mean truth that we call ourselves brokers 402 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: just but the broker is like the company where you 403 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 1: had in your license as a real estate agent. You 404 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 1: can get your broker's license, but I never did that. 405 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: Twenty seven years later, I was like, what's the point, 406 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,360 Speaker 1: because you're do I really want to I don't want 407 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 1: to open my own brokerage. So there's that. And then 408 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: your dad was really into the you know, the architecture 409 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:33,640 Speaker 1: side of things. Is that kind of what got you 410 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:37,439 Speaker 1: into the career that you're in now. Oh no, I 411 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: mean my dad is a builder, and my ex husband's 412 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: a residential builder. My sister is an interior designer. My 413 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,640 Speaker 1: sister and laws an interior designer. So yeah, at some 414 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:52,160 Speaker 1: level it was in all in the family. But yeah, 415 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: my dad is like infrastructure, so bridges, tunnels, casinos, hotels, 416 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: like much more on a massive scale. Yeah, I love that. 417 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,360 Speaker 1: Are you do you enjoy filming the show? I mean, 418 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,120 Speaker 1: is it something where you're just like to be able 419 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 1: to do what you love and then also kind of 420 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: get the other side of, you know, being in front 421 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: of the camera and having that that life too. I 422 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: think yeah, I think because I grew up I went 423 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: to theater school, So I started, you know, very young, 424 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:24,360 Speaker 1: wanting to be an actress, and I was dancing and singing, 425 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: and I wanted to go to New York and be 426 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: in theater and be on the stage. And when I 427 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 1: graduated from SC theater school, I was like, you know, 428 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: waiting tables and trying to go on auditions. But I 429 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: never really fit into that box of like I wasn't 430 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 1: like the hot girl or the funny girl. And it 431 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,479 Speaker 1: was really tough back in the day. I mean this 432 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 1: was like nineteen nine, late nineties, and it was very 433 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 1: it was very particular about you know, what people were 434 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: looking for in terms of like a leading lady. And 435 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: I was like, I just don't want to wake up 436 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: and be bartending or or be still trying to get 437 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 1: that gig. I wanted financial independence. And so I remember 438 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 1: a friend of mine it sat me down and was like, 439 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: why do we do real estate? Um? And she was 440 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: also an actress, And I said, well, I guess you 441 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: know it's not rocket science, right, Like I know how 442 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 1: to sell. I could sell myself. I could probably sell houses. 443 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: And so I studied to get my real estate license 444 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 1: and I was probably twenty four at the time, and 445 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: that's when I started my career as Okay, so I'm 446 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 1: selling my house right now, and I'm I'm building a 447 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: new house, and is there something that sellers do that 448 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 1: you would recommend, Like is there something that I should 449 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: that I should do differently, or something that you said, 450 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: like it was something that's um like that sellers are 451 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 1: doing that isn't good or whatever that you should be 452 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: a little insight to help sell my house. I guess 453 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,919 Speaker 1: for sure. I mean I think the first thing I 454 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 1: do when I'm walking through a house, is I look 455 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,959 Speaker 1: at the front, right, because curb appeal is like the 456 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: first thing that every a body sees. And oftentimes, like 457 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 1: you know, you'll remodel your house and you'll clean up 458 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 1: the inside, but when you're pulling up and you see 459 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,880 Speaker 1: the front of the house and the architecture and the landscape, 460 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:17,400 Speaker 1: that's the first bit of where a buyer decides, Oh, 461 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:21,400 Speaker 1: I'm like intrigued. So whether that's like planting a little 462 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 1: bit of some fresh flowers or upgrading your landscaping a 463 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: little bit, I think herb appeals like by far one 464 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: of the most important things that a celler has to 465 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,640 Speaker 1: consider spending a little bit of money on before coming 466 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 1: to market. And then um on the inside of the house, 467 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 1: I always say, a fresh code of paint. You know, 468 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: everybody has different tastes, but I think you know, in 469 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: a market like now, particularly this type of market, you 470 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,719 Speaker 1: want to appeal to as many people as possible, and 471 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: we all have. I mean, look at the art behind me. 472 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: This is not appeal to everybody, but it's about thinking about, 473 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 1: you know, how can I make this I hate to 474 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: say it, but as vanilla as I can, so that 475 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: I can sort of appeal to the masses, because you know, 476 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,880 Speaker 1: there are very few people that have a gift and 477 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 1: that talent of being able to pull a house together 478 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 1: and it's you know, all the way right, Like they 479 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 1: can furnish it well, but then they won't spend money 480 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 1: on the accessories and the books at the end, which 481 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: you know, to do a house property properly, it has 482 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: to be like layered, it has to have all these 483 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,919 Speaker 1: different elements that sort of finish it off. And I 484 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: think there's very few people that have the gift of 485 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: knowing how to do that. So I'll go into a 486 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: seller's house and no, say, okay, let's talk about like 487 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: what what we really want to spend here to get 488 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,199 Speaker 1: the house ready for sale, or what what kind of 489 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 1: budget do we have so that we can capitalize on 490 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: your profit on the back end. And if they don't 491 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 1: have a ton of money to do that, then I 492 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: just simplify. I'll say, okay, so let's get rid of 493 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: the chass personal family photos. We don't like a lot 494 00:26:55,840 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 1: of knickknacks, clear the counters um. You almost want people 495 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: to be able to walk into the house and imagine 496 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 1: themselves living in it, not looking at like, oh, well, 497 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,880 Speaker 1: she's got a family of three. They're super cute. They 498 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: seem to like, you know, this particular type of style. 499 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 1: You want to be able to imagine themselves in it. 500 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 1: And I think the more simplistic the houses on the interior, 501 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: the more that it will appeal to the masses and 502 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 1: hopefully drive up the price. So my entire family wall 503 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 1: on this area I should probably take down. So as 504 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 1: long as if you have a family wall in the hallway. 505 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,199 Speaker 1: I had the same thing in my old house, and 506 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: I went, well, this is going to be a bit yeah. 507 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,640 Speaker 1: I mean it's like there's it's it's my entire top thing. 508 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 1: I've got all these pictures of me and the kids. Well, 509 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,919 Speaker 1: I had the same thing, and I opted not to 510 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: take it down. But you know, people walk by that 511 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 1: that hallway and they're like, look at this darling family 512 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: now right, you know, as long as it's tasteful, I 513 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,919 Speaker 1: guess right, you think though that people because like my 514 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:03,959 Speaker 1: fear is like people coming there, it's like, oh, this 515 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,199 Speaker 1: is like the divorce, like they got divorced in the 516 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 1: house or whatever, Like is there like a death. It's 517 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: like it's like second and I know it's not like 518 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: a death. But I'm saying, like, is it, like, you know, 519 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,679 Speaker 1: is that is that going to be something that's like 520 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: a negative for the house. There's some pretty there's some 521 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:23,919 Speaker 1: pretty interesting buyers out there, Like, you know, obviously, I 522 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 1: don't think I think divorce is like fifty of the 523 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: reason people sell their homes. Yeah, But on the flip side, 524 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,199 Speaker 1: you know, you also have you know, families that are 525 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 1: selling for different reasons, and I think divorce is a 526 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: little bit less concerning death. On the other hand, is 527 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 1: can be a problem for people, you know, even if 528 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 1: it's by natural causes. It's like, you know, I bought 529 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: a house back like when I graduated from college. It 530 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: was like my bachelorette pad in the Hollywood Hills. And 531 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: after I bought it had a heart shaped pool. It 532 00:28:55,440 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: was so fun and um, the neighbor that had there 533 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 1: for like forty years came over and introduced himself and 534 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: then proceeded to tell me that like thirty years prior, 535 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: an entire family had been murdered in the house, And 536 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 1: I was it was too late. Did you feel that 537 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: already though, Like was there something or You're like no, 538 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: it was good because I don't think it always has 539 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: to feel that way. No, I didn't have that weird energy. 540 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: I mean again, you know how some people just have 541 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 1: that gift of going I you know, I steal the 542 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: energy in here. I'm not really that person. My husband, 543 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: I mean. And we walked into a home and I 544 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: knew this is actually hilarious. I knew someone he hadn't 545 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 1: died in the house, but the reason they were selling 546 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 1: because the husband had passed away and he was a 547 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: younger husband. And we walked in and I was like, 548 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 1: what do you think? And He's like, energy is often here. 549 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 1: I don't know. It just seems kind of dark. And 550 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh man, I felt bad, but you couldn't 551 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: kind of tell. But it was a beautiful home, but 552 00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: there was just kind of like this gloomy and like 553 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: some people have that that the ability to sort of 554 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: feel that type of energy. I've never been that person, 555 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 1: but I've had clients that are very much like that. 556 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 1: Like We've gotten to the front door and turned around 557 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 1: and walked out. So is there do you have to 558 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: disclose any of that? Like legally do you have to 559 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: say like if someone different states, different states have different laws. 560 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: I think in in California, in three years. Um, if 561 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: it's there's been a death in the home in the 562 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: last three years, meaning the person would have had to 563 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 1: die in the home. Okay, yeah, okay, Well let's just 564 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 1: change the topic because it matters to me. Like, we 565 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: bought new construction because I thought, I love the creakiness 566 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: of older homes and the character and all the things. 567 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: And my husband's like, nope, somebody died in here. I'm like, okay, 568 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: we'll come on now. So we bought new construction because 569 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: of that. And I was like, I was wondering if 570 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: somebody could like legally have to tell us if that 571 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 1: is something. I yeah, I don't think I could. I 572 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: love the process of the building. I don't know. I 573 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 1: just there's something about building. It's it's it's kind of 574 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,719 Speaker 1: stressful doing its single right now because well, I mean, 575 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: you know, like by myself, but because my builder he's like, well, 576 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 1: where would you like this outlet? I'm like, I'm a 577 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 1: single mom. I don't know where to put the I 578 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 1: was like, I need you to be like my husband 579 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: right now. I need you to pretend to be my 580 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 1: husband in this house. This is going to be a 581 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 1: real intuitive placed home. It's going to be great, so 582 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 1: like I just did it myself, but I bought like 583 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: a nine twenties Spanish I actually bought it on the 584 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: show from Josh Flag last season and then spent the 585 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: last year remodeling it sort of top to bottom with 586 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 1: my ex husband, who I was like, hey, like your mine, 587 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: Can I use you as a resource Because it's been 588 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: five years, I think we've moved past the divorced thing. 589 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 1: We're co parenting, like could we work together again? And 590 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: we actually got through it, And honestly, I don't think 591 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: I could have picked where the plugs got. Like certain 592 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 1: things that I'm very good at in terms of like 593 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: design and spatial awareness and all, and then there's certain 594 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: things I'm like, I that electrical, I have no idea, 595 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 1: Like I'm not handy like that. How long did it 596 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 1: take for your co parenting to or to be able 597 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 1: to be on the other side, Uh, we've always co 598 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: parented relatively well, we've been divorced now for about five years, 599 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: I would say true like repair of our friendship and 600 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: you know we were together for married for fourteen big 601 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 1: together for almost eighteen years, so like most of my 602 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 1: adult life. UM, I would say it took the better 603 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 1: part of the last four years. So only in this 604 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 1: last year and a half have we gotten to a 605 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 1: place where I I feel like we're friends again, you know, 606 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: like we laugh, you know, we have we get a 607 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 1: kick out of each other. Like he's known me since 608 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 1: I was twenty four years old. So is he dating 609 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 1: for that? Yeah, he's actually married. He got married this 610 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 1: year to a lovely girl and they're happy. And I'm 611 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm happy for them. And then how long 612 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,479 Speaker 1: have you been with your boyfriend? We're almost three years, okay? 613 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 1: And are you are you wanting to do the remarriage 614 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 1: and all that stuff? I mean, wow, guys, And it's 615 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 1: like I thought that we were talking about real estate. 616 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 1: It's like, am for this conversation? No, Um, you know 617 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: I would get married again. I don't feel like that 618 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 1: pressure to Like there's something sort of freeing about living 619 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 1: for the moment that you're in and living for the day, 620 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 1: which when you're married, it's like, you know, the idea 621 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 1: of till death do you part, right, that's a very 622 00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: scary commitment these days. Like I think even my girls 623 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 1: are like says who like my daughter seventeen, and she 624 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 1: sent me a text the other day of her something 625 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 1: that she had written in kindergarten, which I actually remembered, 626 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,320 Speaker 1: about who she wanted to be and what she wanted 627 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 1: to do when she grown up. Was grown up, and 628 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: she said, I want to have a boat that can 629 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 1: take me to Arizona, and I'm going to be an 630 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,399 Speaker 1: actress and I'll be out American idol. But I will 631 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,840 Speaker 1: not be married, and I will absolutely not have kids, 632 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: and my name will be Juliette and my boy name 633 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 1: already is Juliette. So but I but I think like 634 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: the younger generation, particularly young girls, have a little bit 635 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 1: of a different perception than perhaps what we all grew 636 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,279 Speaker 1: up with in terms of the way they look at 637 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,439 Speaker 1: traditional relationships. And and I don't think that it has 638 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,839 Speaker 1: to be till death do you part anymore. I think 639 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,439 Speaker 1: even obviously we have all found out that marriage isn't 640 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,840 Speaker 1: always until death do you part? So why can't it 641 00:34:55,960 --> 00:35:01,239 Speaker 1: just be tell we're not happy and thriving in the 642 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,279 Speaker 1: way that we need to let anyone. I also don't 643 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,760 Speaker 1: think there's a pressure to get married as young anymore, 644 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 1: like I think our generation, I think we're all around 645 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 1: the same age ish, but like it was always like 646 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 1: I know, in my tiny town, it was like prom 647 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 1: engagement babies, and they all thought when I got divorced 648 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,839 Speaker 1: at like thirty two and didn't have kids, They're like, well, 649 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,920 Speaker 1: she can she can't even have babies, like you know, 650 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 1: how would she ever? And then when I remarried and 651 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,279 Speaker 1: had kids and later, you know, so I feel like 652 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 1: it's kind of wonderful that they don't feel the pressure 653 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 1: to like have to find someone in their twenties. Well 654 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 1: you look at I look at some of my girlfriends 655 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 1: that that never got married, and one of them adopted 656 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 1: at forty five, one just recently at forty Uh, how 657 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 1: a sur get involved? Like there's so many different ways 658 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:56,359 Speaker 1: to maybe skin the cats, not to write around, but 659 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,280 Speaker 1: but I do I feel like, you know, they're lucky 660 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 1: to have the those kinds of options, you know, as 661 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 1: beautiful as tradition is, and I appreciate the sentiment of 662 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 1: till death do you part. If you can make it 663 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: and it's beautiful and it's everlasting, then that's a wonderful thing. 664 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 1: But I don't think that we need to live in 665 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:21,000 Speaker 1: that space because there's there's just disappointment that it's attached 666 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 1: to that that I don't think we need to operate 667 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 1: from I think if we operate from a place of 668 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 1: you know, while we're happy, um, I think we're a 669 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: lot more likely to be in more long term like 670 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 1: healthy relationships. Yeah. I also think to the misconception is 671 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,360 Speaker 1: a lot of times for me too. I know, I 672 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,760 Speaker 1: know that I was putting my happiness in the where 673 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,880 Speaker 1: my status in the relationship was or how um you know, 674 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 1: if we weren't good, then I'm not Then then I'm 675 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 1: miserable and I'm not happy. It's like, um, I really 676 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 1: thought that or I it was I based my happiness 677 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 1: on the relationship and or him making me happy, and 678 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:01,879 Speaker 1: it's like he can't. I have to be the one 679 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 1: to make myself happy. And so I think that was 680 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,239 Speaker 1: a big thing to to realize. I'm like, you know, 681 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 1: I'm like and it's like, even in a new relationship, 682 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,319 Speaker 1: I'm like, you don't make me happy. You contribute to 683 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,759 Speaker 1: my happiness, but you can't make me happy you And 684 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:17,719 Speaker 1: that's not even that's never going to be your job. 685 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,359 Speaker 1: Like you can contribute to it, but you're not going 686 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,840 Speaker 1: to be the sole person of like you are my happiness. 687 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,480 Speaker 1: It's such a cycle break because I don't know how 688 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,960 Speaker 1: long have you been apart from your ex husband, but 689 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,799 Speaker 1: two years it's such like a cycle break to go 690 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,880 Speaker 1: through that piece of it, because I think that's just 691 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 1: that's like nature virtus nurture, right, Like, this is how 692 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 1: we grew up. Like we can intellectualize that, we can 693 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,839 Speaker 1: talk about it on podcasts, and we do. I do 694 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:51,720 Speaker 1: all the time about breaking that cycle of of needing 695 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:56,799 Speaker 1: to feel the happiness within the relationship. But the truth is, 696 00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 1: obviously only we can give that to ourselves. But even now, 697 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,160 Speaker 1: like even when I have a disagreement with my boyfriend, 698 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 1: like I'm so tied to the people that I love 699 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,759 Speaker 1: that they affect me greatly. They affect my mood, they 700 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,200 Speaker 1: affect how I how I operate, how I function, and 701 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,759 Speaker 1: I have had to learn how to compartmentalize that so 702 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 1: that I could move throughout my day. And sometimes I 703 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,879 Speaker 1: think by compartmentalizing it, it's kind of brought me back 704 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,840 Speaker 1: to myself. I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna put that away 705 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,319 Speaker 1: for right now because I have work to do. I 706 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 1: have my kids to deal with, or I need to, 707 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,759 Speaker 1: you know, work on my relationship with my boyfriend or 708 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,000 Speaker 1: whatever it is. But I can't take it on all 709 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,399 Speaker 1: at once. And I think like as a working mom, 710 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,000 Speaker 1: particularly a single mom, and I'm sure you relate to 711 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,239 Speaker 1: this and starting new relationships. It's like you kind of 712 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,080 Speaker 1: put everything in like boxes and you're like, Okay, that's 713 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,799 Speaker 1: how I tack you know, like the ultimate question of 714 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,160 Speaker 1: how do we balance it all? It's like that question 715 00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,560 Speaker 1: is like how do I answer that? I just I 716 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,080 Speaker 1: just get through it, yeah, you know, and we're just 717 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,480 Speaker 1: trying that. We were having that conversation because my boyfriend 718 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,000 Speaker 1: right now lives um in England, and so I'm like, 719 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,480 Speaker 1: you know, it's like, well, we're trying not to go 720 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,799 Speaker 1: more than three weeks about seeing each other. And it's 721 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,680 Speaker 1: like the steps like Okay, I can just focus on 722 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,839 Speaker 1: today because if I start going because I'm like, well, 723 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,239 Speaker 1: then I'm filming a movie in April and then I'm 724 00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:21,680 Speaker 1: gonna be doing this, and then I'm like and then 725 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,520 Speaker 1: it's just becomes this like that's not that's not taking 726 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,680 Speaker 1: away my happiness and my joy for the situation that 727 00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,600 Speaker 1: I'm in. Right, So it's like just focusing on and 728 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,600 Speaker 1: like you said, like in a way putting putting those 729 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,960 Speaker 1: months in different boxes and right now just focusing on 730 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,279 Speaker 1: like today and the joy that it's bringing. You know, 731 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,080 Speaker 1: I think that's such a big part two of coming 732 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,880 Speaker 1: out of a marriage, Like when you've been dependent on 733 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,840 Speaker 1: that one person for so many years of your life 734 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,719 Speaker 1: and and then all of a sudden there's this massive adjustment, 735 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,280 Speaker 1: and then you're kind of like, Okay, now what um 736 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,919 Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to say fate, but there's 737 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,880 Speaker 1: a reason you're dating someone on the other side of 738 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 1: the pond, Like that's that's like what you're meant to 739 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,480 Speaker 1: be doing right now, probably to teach you all the 740 00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,320 Speaker 1: same things that I've learned over the last five years, 741 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:09,879 Speaker 1: you know, by falling over and kind of getting back 742 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,399 Speaker 1: up again. It's like you know that that was put 743 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,719 Speaker 1: in front of you because it's a lesson that obviously 744 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:16,680 Speaker 1: is going to be a gift for you down the 745 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,600 Speaker 1: road one way or the other. Right is gone. It's 746 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,000 Speaker 1: gonna be the greatest gift or the greatest lesson, right. 747 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:23,719 Speaker 1: That's how That's how I was looking at It's like 748 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 1: it will be the greatest gift or the greatest lesson. 749 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,440 Speaker 1: Right way to look at it. I was going to 750 00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:33,319 Speaker 1: ask a show question. Please, I know I'm sorry, I like, 751 00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,719 Speaker 1: I like to you know, get both things. I like, 752 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:37,960 Speaker 1: I actually had one more thing on marriage, but I 753 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:39,720 Speaker 1: was like, I was not going to do that because 754 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:44,560 Speaker 1: it's probably like, what am I doing? What show? Is that? Okay? 755 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:48,040 Speaker 1: So in fourteen? This is season fourteen, right, Yeah, I 756 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,880 Speaker 1: mean that's that's a really long TV career. First of all, 757 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,720 Speaker 1: I mean I've been on the show for five years, 758 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,839 Speaker 1: but there's you know, Flag has been on since you're 759 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:00,760 Speaker 1: what I mean, you blew up on a TV show, 760 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,840 Speaker 1: and it's also huge to be on for five Is 761 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,880 Speaker 1: this the first time you bought a property on the show? Yeah? 762 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,440 Speaker 1: Actually I sold my property after my divorce because I 763 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,560 Speaker 1: signed up for this show and then, you know, as 764 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,080 Speaker 1: one does on the reality show, I got divorced after 765 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:24,120 Speaker 1: my first season. It really is um I sold my 766 00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,520 Speaker 1: first house on the show, and then I bought I 767 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,520 Speaker 1: bought the house that I'm currently in and you know, 768 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,759 Speaker 1: been renovating it for the last year. But I think 769 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,120 Speaker 1: being on this show is this year has been a 770 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,759 Speaker 1: lot of fun. I mean, very different from years past 771 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,120 Speaker 1: because it used to be six of us. I mean again, 772 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,240 Speaker 1: I've only been I've been the only woman on the show, 773 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,920 Speaker 1: but the other five people were men, So they've narrowed 774 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,799 Speaker 1: down the cast to just three of us now, which 775 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,520 Speaker 1: I think allows for a little bit more of like 776 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,279 Speaker 1: a personal relationship with the audience that's been watching the 777 00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,319 Speaker 1: show for this long. With all these other I guess 778 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,279 Speaker 1: real estate shows that are out there now that are 779 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:08,600 Speaker 1: obviously um more drama focused with sort of the real 780 00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,000 Speaker 1: estate as a background, will always keep the real estate 781 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,719 Speaker 1: in the foreground. But they've been watching us for this 782 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,719 Speaker 1: many years. They want to know, like, what's going on 783 00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,640 Speaker 1: in your relationship, how are your kids? You know, like 784 00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,720 Speaker 1: those are things that we haven't tapped into in the past, 785 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,719 Speaker 1: so they we really went there this season, and we 786 00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,799 Speaker 1: filmed for eleven months, so it was a lot of 787 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,839 Speaker 1: a lot of hours. Yeah, And I do like that 788 00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,759 Speaker 1: about the show, that it isn't drama focused, because like 789 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,560 Speaker 1: a lot of those other ones, I hope we don't 790 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:44,200 Speaker 1: ever have anybody else come on, but we have. I 791 00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,720 Speaker 1: have one, actually, and it's great. It serves its purpose 792 00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,319 Speaker 1: and it's great. But I do like I loved I 793 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,560 Speaker 1: love real estate, and I love to see and some 794 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,040 Speaker 1: of them I'm putting on me is what I was 795 00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,879 Speaker 1: going to say, Like I'm here to watch what I'm 796 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:00,520 Speaker 1: I want to see the proper ease. I want to 797 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:04,600 Speaker 1: see the transformations. Do we get to see your renovation? Yeah, 798 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,040 Speaker 1: I mean you definitely see the inside of the house, 799 00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,279 Speaker 1: um quite a bit because we film her all the 800 00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,200 Speaker 1: time and I do some stuff on on Bravo TV 801 00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,759 Speaker 1: dot com where I do some house tours and things 802 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,600 Speaker 1: of that nature. So that makes it a little fun 803 00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:22,120 Speaker 1: because obviously people saw the house before, um, and so 804 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,200 Speaker 1: it's it's it's a very very different house now. Um. 805 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,799 Speaker 1: Probably the most year old thing I could say that 806 00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:33,600 Speaker 1: I live for a good renovation. It was a fun. 807 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,040 Speaker 1: It was a really fun project to do it with 808 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:39,200 Speaker 1: my ex husband and then my boyfriend's here and everybody 809 00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:43,920 Speaker 1: has opinions and we're like one big dysfunctional family. Um, 810 00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,920 Speaker 1: it was. It was a roller coaster. Um. We're starting 811 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,000 Speaker 1: phase two and I'm doing my guesthouse now, um, which 812 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,000 Speaker 1: I swear to God will never end. But um, it's 813 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,560 Speaker 1: been it's been fun shooting in the house this season 814 00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,680 Speaker 1: and kind of letting the viewers in a little bit 815 00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:01,040 Speaker 1: more and and so it seems like i'vebody's enjoying the 816 00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,000 Speaker 1: new format, which is, like I said, has been a 817 00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,560 Speaker 1: little bit more personal, and I think that's great to 818 00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:07,520 Speaker 1: be able to peel back the layers too. It's like 819 00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,600 Speaker 1: you're still keeping the core of what the show is, 820 00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,640 Speaker 1: but you're you're peeling back a layer. And I think 821 00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,480 Speaker 1: that's really nice to give people that that look inside, 822 00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,440 Speaker 1: because that's people. People want to see that, and they 823 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,640 Speaker 1: want to see, you know, what you're going through on 824 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,319 Speaker 1: the days that you're selling a house or looking you know, 825 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,840 Speaker 1: it's like people people want to feel that closeness to you. 826 00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,440 Speaker 1: So we think of the questions we've already talked to 827 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:34,680 Speaker 1: you about, Tracy. I mean, I've already you know, I've 828 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,239 Speaker 1: been selling real estate for twenty four years and so 829 00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,160 Speaker 1: I know what I'm doing and it was very easy 830 00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,960 Speaker 1: for me to talk about, you know, ten thirty one exchanges. 831 00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,319 Speaker 1: And like I said, our show is very different from 832 00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,160 Speaker 1: some of the more entertaining real estate shows that are 833 00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,000 Speaker 1: a little more drama and fused. But we definitely have 834 00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,160 Speaker 1: some drops, like some of the drama that is coming 835 00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:59,719 Speaker 1: later in the season. You know, it's it's a lot 836 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,040 Speaker 1: eight tune because it just I think it's building and 837 00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,799 Speaker 1: you know, I remember we signed on with a new 838 00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,160 Speaker 1: producer and she was like, listen, it's going to be 839 00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,600 Speaker 1: a little different this year. And I'm like, but how different? 840 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,200 Speaker 1: Like you guys have been saying that for a long time, 841 00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,520 Speaker 1: and I really think Bravo said go for it. So um, 842 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,640 Speaker 1: I think as as it's sort of keeps going from 843 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:23,399 Speaker 1: episode to episode, um, we'll have a little bit more 844 00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,640 Speaker 1: fun with it, and you'll definitely see a breakdown and 845 00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:30,759 Speaker 1: communication between the three of us. Definitely some arguments that 846 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,440 Speaker 1: are very real. Um, you know, not a lot of 847 00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:38,480 Speaker 1: acting going on here, just just showing up lises and 848 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,160 Speaker 1: a lot of life lessons. So it was Its been 849 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,279 Speaker 1: a fun It's been a fun time. Well, thank you 850 00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,080 Speaker 1: for coming on the show. Thank you for peeling back 851 00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:49,080 Speaker 1: a layer with us, and I'm excited to see what's 852 00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:52,080 Speaker 1: to come on the show. Thank you, Thanks guys, thanks 853 00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:57,279 Speaker 1: for having thanks. Appreciate by. I appreciate you to thank you. Bye. 854 00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,399 Speaker 1: I love it when people can open up and you back. 855 00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,800 Speaker 1: It's fun to me. Yeah, I was like enough about this, 856 00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:06,839 Speaker 1: but yeah, I don't know, I just I just think 857 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,279 Speaker 1: it's I mean, I personally love to and I know 858 00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,520 Speaker 1: that some people do not like that about me, but 859 00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,320 Speaker 1: I don't want to just know your favorite color is. 860 00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,759 Speaker 1: I wanted to know what your childhood traumas are. Love 861 00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:21,440 Speaker 1: that you ever are not an actress or an entertainment 862 00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:23,520 Speaker 1: you have such a career ahead of you, like an 863 00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:27,200 Speaker 1: interrogation officer. Like there'll be times where I'm like, actually, 864 00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,319 Speaker 1: like I'm doing fine, and she's getting here and she's 865 00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:30,960 Speaker 1: like how are you? And I'm like she's doing good, 866 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,279 Speaker 1: and she's like, man, you're crying feminutes, how are you? 867 00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:38,040 Speaker 1: I'm actually right. My favorite is when she first meets 868 00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,440 Speaker 1: someone and it's like she just goes right and I'm like, 869 00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,440 Speaker 1: here we go, buckle up. But I had to be 870 00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,200 Speaker 1: I had to be careful of that with So I 871 00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,800 Speaker 1: did that differently this go around with dating, because my 872 00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,480 Speaker 1: therapist is like, don't give them too much. I don't 873 00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:55,000 Speaker 1: give them all of yourself, right, But I also when 874 00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:58,719 Speaker 1: I go so like, so, what age were you with 875 00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,560 Speaker 1: child traumas of this, that and the other, and it's 876 00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,240 Speaker 1: like that that's a lot. That's a lot for somebody, 877 00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,160 Speaker 1: especially a dude. So um, I had to kind of 878 00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,200 Speaker 1: lean into those kind of conversations and like because some 879 00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,960 Speaker 1: people aren't going to be as open about things and whatever. 880 00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:15,840 Speaker 1: But I do. I do. I love it. I like 881 00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:17,759 Speaker 1: it a lot. I love too. It's good to go 882 00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,960 Speaker 1: slow because then you're like, I feel like if you 883 00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,000 Speaker 1: know too much too soon, you might be like pre 884 00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,800 Speaker 1: judging responses or waiting for certain things to be a 885 00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,200 Speaker 1: certain way because of what you know. Well, I just 886 00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:29,920 Speaker 1: just listen. If you're gonna sit next to me on 887 00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,360 Speaker 1: a plane, I'm going to ask you about like generally 888 00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,440 Speaker 1: end up on a podcast. Chances are you well because 889 00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,839 Speaker 1: if you give them mouse a cookie, he's gonna ask 890 00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:43,040 Speaker 1: for milk. Ask this mouse for peanuts, because you'll end 891 00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,759 Speaker 1: up on our podcast. Who was the person you met? 892 00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:53,840 Speaker 1: A Sarah Gretzky? So I got her Christmas card? And okay, 893 00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:58,279 Speaker 1: I I send Christmas cards out and people will send 894 00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:00,200 Speaker 1: me Christmas cards, but I don't read them like some 895 00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,000 Speaker 1: people will send like the whole thing. I don't read it. 896 00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:06,320 Speaker 1: I read. I read like literally hers and PAMs. So 897 00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,080 Speaker 1: I read PAMs and then everyone else. I just put 898 00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,560 Speaker 1: it on this like my little tree or whatever. And 899 00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:13,520 Speaker 1: I was I was like, oh, Sarah, and but and 900 00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:18,200 Speaker 1: for some reason I flipped the back of it because 901 00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:19,360 Speaker 1: it was just you know, it was opening. There was 902 00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:23,080 Speaker 1: like a pile of them and it said baby. Because 903 00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,880 Speaker 1: I was like, and I immediately facetimeed her and my 904 00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,440 Speaker 1: jaw was just on the floor and she was like, 905 00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,480 Speaker 1: that's that was her announcement to people, was the Christmas 906 00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,800 Speaker 1: card and she'll figure out who's diligent and that's and 907 00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,439 Speaker 1: that's exactly what she go Sarah, I almost didn't read 908 00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:40,080 Speaker 1: the car, and she goes, it's so funny. She's like, 909 00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,520 Speaker 1: because there's been people that we've sent it to and like, oh, 910 00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:44,000 Speaker 1: did you get the car. I'm like, yeah, it's great 911 00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:50,560 Speaker 1: and they don't uncomfortable but anyways, yeah, so um, I 912 00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:51,879 Speaker 1: love you guys. See you next week.