1 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:09,640 Speaker 1: Jeff Logoman didn't need Jacksonville. Tom Coughlin, though, needed a 2 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 1: pass rusher, and the free agent from New York was 3 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 1: the best in class. He became the jaguars first marquee 4 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 1: free agent and would go on to become one of 5 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: the most popular players on the field and for the 6 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 1: last twenty five years in the city that has become 7 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: his home. This his perspectives the story of the jaguars 8 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: first twenty five years, as told by the people who 9 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: built the franchise from the ground up. This is Jeff Logoman, 10 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 1: long a businessman who happened to be a football player. 11 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 1: Logoman was well versed in the business of the NFL. 12 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: He knew well how a pair of expansion teams could 13 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 1: expand the market for his services, and he considered both 14 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: Carolina and Jacksonville. The businessman, though, was interested in having 15 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: fun after six losing years in New York and let 16 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: the football player make the decision. Tom is not casual. 17 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 1: He's behind his desk. This is kind of formal. That's 18 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 1: kind of how he likes to have him and so 19 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 1: shake hands and I sit down at this small little chair. 20 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: I think that probably has the legs cut off just 21 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: so he can look down on you a little bit. 22 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 1: And uh, And we had a we had a heart 23 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: to heart conversation. He asked me what I was looking 24 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 1: for in free agency and and what I wanted to 25 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 1: to get in free agency, and and I said, look, obviously, contractually, 26 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: we want to get taken care of financial. I said, 27 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 1: that's obviously first and foremost. And I said then after that, 28 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 1: I said, then it's a matter of of one thing. 29 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:39,479 Speaker 1: And I said, that's winning. And I looked at him, 30 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: and I wanted to have an answer about how soon 31 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: could we win and and when I when I kind 32 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: of took that approach with it, he he was a 33 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: little slow to react. Uh, but then he came back 34 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: with a great answer. He said, look, we have we're 35 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: gonna have some tools, the multiple draft picks that we're 36 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: gonna have in each down, we're gonna have free agency, 37 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: we already had the expansion draft. We're gonna have the 38 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: ability to get better quick. And he had to sell 39 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: me on that because you know what, if somebody doesn't 40 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: have a plan. Look, it can be fun, and you 41 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: can have a lot of fun going on a new 42 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: team because an expansion team. But at the end of 43 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,359 Speaker 1: the day, somebody's got to have a vision, and in 44 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 1: that brief conversation that we had, I felt that he 45 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 1: had vision, and uh, it's kind of you gotta have faith, 46 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: right and some things in your life, and and I 47 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: had faith in that guy. I had faith in Tom Coughlin. 48 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: And his eyes were described to me long before I 49 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 1: ever met him, and that his eyes were very piercing 50 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: and can be very intimidating. And Uh, to me, I 51 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: thought they were very confident and also accomplished, and I 52 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:53,239 Speaker 1: had a lot of confidence in them to those around 53 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: the jab War since that inaugural season seemed like a 54 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: blur then and it's gotten fogg year through the years, 55 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: but not to log in it. So you got you 56 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: have to focus on nine because nine ninety nine doesn't 57 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: happen without ninety five. Because in nineteen without the precedent, 58 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:15,959 Speaker 1: and even though you have a brief history, but without 59 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: the precedent that you established with the toughness level and 60 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: expectation level, then the ensuing years have no expectation. And 61 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: I think the nine season was so important in so 62 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: many different ways because it did it. It established the 63 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: foundation in which this franchise was gonna run on for 64 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: the ensuing years, and so you had to make certain sacrifices. 65 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: In ninety five, for example, I'll never forget and practice 66 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: during an O t A one day, you had a 67 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: fight and it was Thomas Lnsky and Ferrek Collins. And 68 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: and when Ferrek Collins he grabs Thomas Linsky's helmet and 69 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: he throws it across the field, has a kind of 70 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: a sign of toughness or frustration or would ever it was. 71 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: And Tom Coughlin walks over to Ferrek Collins tells him 72 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: to go pick the helmet up, and Ferrik he refuses 73 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: and asked him again. He refused again, and so Tom 74 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: just kind of let it pass. And then I'll never forget. 75 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: After practice, you know, the defensive line fare Colins, defensive lineman, 76 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 1: we get together to a little breakdown with John P's, 77 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 1: our defensive line coach, and then we start to walk 78 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 1: off the field from south of the stadium, which is 79 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: where the practice fields used to be. And I'll never 80 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: forget it. Ferrek Colins is walking in front of me, 81 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: and I see Tom Coughlin walk up to him and 82 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: literally start walking alongside him, reach down and grabs his 83 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 1: helmet and says something to him and that was it 84 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 1: for Ferrek Colins. He was gone that day. But that's 85 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: the sacrifice that you had to to make of cutting 86 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: what was gonna be a really good football player. He 87 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: might have been our best defensive tackle that we had 88 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: on the roster, but it didn't matter. It was more 89 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 1: important to establish that there's one boss with a football team, 90 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: that's Tom Coughlin, and you either do it his way 91 00:04:58,320 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: or you're not gonna be here. And that was a 92 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: lesson that everybody saw on that football team. And that's 93 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: so from nine nine, people knew that you do not 94 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 1: defy Tom Coughlin otherwise it's gonna cost you your job 95 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: and it's also gonna cost you your teammate, your teammates 96 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: performance at the end of the day. And that's those 97 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 1: are the things that had to be established in nine 98 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: and they were certainly established in a very firm manner. 99 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 1: Nineteen ninety six started on the right foot but never 100 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 1: could find its balance. Mark Brunell's five interception game in St. 101 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 1: Louis was followed by Dave Thomas's gruesome leg injury in 102 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: Cincinnati a few weeks later, and in mid November, Andre 103 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: Risen was dismissed after a horrendous game in Pittsburgh. It 104 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: seemed as if there was nowhere to go but down. 105 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 1: A lot of people point to a couple different things 106 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety six is the turning point, because there's 107 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: a lot of things that happened in nine and a 108 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 1: lot of people don't know about. I mean, first of all, 109 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: people know about the donuts. What Tom was gonna come 110 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 1: in and hang out in the locker room and eat 111 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: donuts with people, and and then he wasn't gonna be 112 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: terrible Tom anymore, and he was gonna start to build 113 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 1: a nice relationship with the players, and then they would 114 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 1: be all seen Kumbayan win football games together. That's a 115 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 1: bunch of bullshit. The head coach coming in and having donuts. 116 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: When he came in, the donuts guys scattered. It was 117 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: it was like you turned the lights on in the 118 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 1: roaches scatter because nobody, nobody wanted to sit down and 119 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: have a doughnut with Coughlin. There was very few that did. 120 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: It was a couple of the veteran guys that actually 121 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: sat there and did have a donut with Couflin, And 122 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,359 Speaker 1: of course one of them was Jerkovic, who was one 123 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: of the most sociable players you would ever meet in 124 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: your life. I had a donut with Tom, you know, 125 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: but it was veteran guys. But the rest of the 126 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: guys they were gone. So was that the turning point? No? 127 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: Was it the cutting of Andre Risen who was uh? 128 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: Then their stories about Andre Risen holy Cow before he 129 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 1: got cut, that were some of the most memorable stories 130 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 1: that we have. When I say we the guys that 131 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: were on that early Jaguars football team where night before 132 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: a game in New England from on the back of 133 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: the US and and Andrea was in a different state 134 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: of mind than some of the other folks and so 135 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 1: pretty interesting stories there. But was it when they cut 136 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: Andrea Rising that turned the franchise around? No, Well, there 137 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: was also something that was going on because the owner 138 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: of Wayne Weaver was calling players into his office to 139 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: find out what was going on with this team. And 140 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: it wasn't like Tom Couflin approved of Wayne Weaver calling 141 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: players into his office. This was Wayne Weaver legitimately worried 142 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: did I have the right man to lead this organization 143 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: going forward? He called me in his office, He called 144 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: other key veterans into his office and wanted to know 145 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: what was going on and what needed to change for 146 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:42,119 Speaker 1: us to win. And I remember my conversation with Wayne 147 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: very well, and he asked me what I thought, and 148 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: I said, look, I said, we just need to focus 149 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: on one thing, and that's doing our own jobs. And said, 150 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: we need to stop worrying about Tom Coughlin, the terrible Tom, 151 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: and he's not treating us right and he's being too 152 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: hard on us and all this other stuff. And and 153 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: I thought that was important to say that to Wayne. 154 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: And I also think it was important to share that 155 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: message with the players because I was a captain and 156 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: I show I shared that message with the players because 157 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: a lot of the players wanted to tell Wayne that, 158 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: you know, they wanted to see Tom gone. And I said, 159 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: it's not about Tom, it's about us. It's about us. 160 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: This is our football team. This isn't Tom Coughlin's football team. 161 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: He's part of our team, but it's not his team. 162 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: It's our team. And I think that that message was 163 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: was important to be said. And I probably wasn't the 164 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: only one that was saying that. I think other guys 165 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: were saying it as well. But I think you combine 166 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: all of those things together. Andre Rising getting cut, did 167 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: Tom maybe work on certain relationship better than he had 168 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: in the past. Sure did the development of players like 169 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: Jimmy Smith and Mark Burnell and Keny McCardell, and stopped 170 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: turning the dagon ball over, start playing better defense, start 171 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: playing position football with special teams. I mean, all those 172 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: things factored in, but you can't point to it and 173 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: say it was just this one thing. It was just 174 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: a compilation of things. And also some damn good for 175 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: Chin as well. And overtime winning Baltimore, though, took the 176 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: Jaguars in a different direction. Four and seven became eight 177 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:11,559 Speaker 1: and seven, and what seemed implausible in early December, if 178 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: not entirely impossible in early November, was improbably within their grasp. 179 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: I think the great thing about where we were at 180 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 1: that point at four and seven was there was no pressure, 181 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 1: There was no expectation. All we were was a second 182 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: year expansion franchise. Carolina Panthers were doing pretty good, so 183 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: you always have a little bit of that comparison going on, 184 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: so you always want to be able to win that comparison. 185 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: But we didn't have a lot of expectations, so I 186 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: think it allowed a lot of guys just to continue 187 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: to develop, continue to work, continue to get better. And 188 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: we weren't thinking playoffs in ninety six. We're thinking, let's 189 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: win a game. Let's let's try to win one game. 190 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 1: And so when you when you're focused and you hear 191 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: so many coaches use that term one game at a time, 192 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: one game at a time, you know, well, we're just 193 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: you know, we're looking at the opponent this week and 194 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: nobody else. That really means something. And there's legitimacy to 195 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: why people say that, because that's what we were doing. 196 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: In We were just worried about that week and trying 197 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 1: to win that week. But even even to a a 198 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: more a smaller level than that, we were just trying 199 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: to get better in each individual practice and also trying 200 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 1: to get better during the week to where we could 201 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: be fresher on game day. And I think that was 202 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: a big part of it, because Coughlin had very demanding practices, 203 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: which was expected. He wanted to weed out the week, 204 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: but then he backed off in practice a little bit, 205 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: and it also allowed us to be fresher for Sunday, 206 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: and I think that was a big part of it. 207 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: So all of those things combined allowed us to be 208 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: worry free, anxiety free one game at a time, and 209 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: then we started to get better. And then all of 210 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,199 Speaker 1: a sudden, you look up and you're like, wait a minute, 211 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: you know, And we didn't really want to talk about 212 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: it because we were sitting there talking about different combinations 213 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: about how maybe we could get into the playoffs, but 214 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: nobody wanted to talk about it was almost taboo. And 215 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: the next thing you know, here we're getting ready to 216 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:05,079 Speaker 1: face Atlanta and it's like, guys, uh, if we win 217 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: as we go to the playoffs, and that put the 218 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: pressure back on it. We didn't play very well against 219 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: the Atlanta Falcons. I mean, it was probably the as 220 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: well as we were playing leading up to that. It 221 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 1: was probably one of the most poorly played games that 222 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 1: we did as a football team in because we were 223 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: so tense and we were anxiety field because of the 224 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: pressure of needing to win to get to the playoffs, 225 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: and obviously wanted to play very well in a big game. 226 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,679 Speaker 1: I remember I wanted to play well, and I probably 227 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 1: didn't play my best game. But at the end of 228 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: that game, here if the Falcons are driving trying to 229 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 1: do everything and in my abilities to stop the Falcons, 230 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: and then they're bringing out Morton Anderson for this field goal. 231 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:50,839 Speaker 1: And I'll never forget I wasn't on field goal block. 232 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 1: Wasn't on that team for what reason. I don't know why. 233 00:11:55,960 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 1: I'm six ft six and got length, so does Clyde Simmons. 234 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: Clyde Simmols out there, and Clyde Simmons has been known 235 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 1: to be a great field goal block guy and and 236 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,319 Speaker 1: had numerous of him in his career. Paul phrase was 237 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: actually the guy that came in for me on field 238 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: goal block. So here we are freezing Morton Anders or 239 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: whatever was I think we called a time out and 240 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: I go to Larry Pasquality, our special team's coordinator, and 241 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 1: I told Larry, I said, I'm not coming off the field. 242 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: And I said, you better. You better tell Paul Frays 243 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: did not come in. He says what I said, I'm 244 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: not leaving the field. I said, I am gonna be 245 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: on that field. And anyway, I had absolutely no impact 246 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: on that play whatsoever. I get cut blocked by the 247 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: offensive lineman. And so if you look at the picture 248 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: of Morton's miss there, I am on the ground as 249 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: the ball is sailing up, but he missed it, and 250 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 1: and it was a magical moment, but it was I 251 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: shouldn't even have been on the field at that play, 252 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: and maybe Paul Fras would have blocked it if they 253 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 1: didn't tell Pasquality that I'm staying on the field. Jeff, 254 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: who rarely tasted victory in New York, was suddenly a 255 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: connois sewer after five consecutive victories, despite never having played 256 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: in the postseason. He understood anything was possible for this 257 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: team that was playing like they belonged, even if the 258 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 1: rest of the league thought they were an outlier. It's 259 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:12,199 Speaker 1: hard to be the playoff momentum that we had because 260 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: of the miracle of the win at home against the 261 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons propelled us to Buffalo, and I had a 262 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 1: lot of confidence against the Buffalo Bills because you knew 263 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: that the heyday of the Buffalo Bills, who I had 264 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 1: faced so many different times when I was with the 265 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: New York Jets, their heyday was gone and they were 266 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: trying to hang on with a couple of key players 267 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: Jim Kelly and obviously Bruce Smith. Both of them are 268 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: Hall of famers and and rightly so, great players. But 269 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: I just felt really good about our chance against them. 270 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 1: I felt good about where our offense was, felt really 271 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: good about our defense against what I've considered to be 272 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: an offense that wasn't quite what it used to be 273 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: in their heyday in Buffalo. So we had confidence, and 274 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: boy we had I think that the two guys that 275 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: really stood out in my mind, or stand out in 276 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: my mind in that game the trone means who is 277 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: an absolute beast against Buffalo and Clyde Simmons with a 278 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: huge play against Jim Kelly, and uh boy, what a 279 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: what a moment, what a special moment, and Clyde making 280 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: up play and and that was just such a fun 281 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: game because to go back to where we were at 282 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: when we were four and seven, we had no pressure, 283 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,239 Speaker 1: we had no expectation. Well, we go to the playoffs, 284 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: there's no pressure, there's no expectation. So here we are 285 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: again playing anxiety free football, having a good time, having 286 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: probably no expectation or no realistic, realistic expectation that we're 287 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: going to be in the playoffs. N maybe n but 288 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: certainly not ninety six. We beat Buffalo like a cool 289 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: and then now we're going to Denver to face the 290 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: team I think that they had one win all season 291 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: long at the number one seed. Nobody was gonna stop 292 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: John Elway and Bill Romanowski and Terrell Davis, and he's great. 293 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: Nobody was gonna stop the Denver Broncos of that day. 294 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: And all we did was show up. And when we 295 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: showed up, we woke up on game day morning, and 296 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: we read the newspaper and there's a good article in 297 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: the newspaper to get some more fuel in the fire, 298 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: so to speak, from what he page calling us the 299 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: Jaguards and how does how does how does some team 300 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: name the Jaguards expect to beat the vaunt of Denver Broncos. 301 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: And he starts making fun of certain players that are 302 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: on our roster. And I went up to every player 303 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: that was in that article. I said, hey, did you 304 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: read this? Do you read this? You read this, You 305 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: read this, You better read it. If you hadn't read it, 306 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: here you go. I wanted to get guys fired up. 307 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: And then we showed up out there. And then while 308 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: Mark Brownell in that game, Jimmy Smith in that game, defensively, 309 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: i'd like to say that we played great. I think 310 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: we played okay, But maybe that was a day of 311 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: just offensive football, just being dominant in the magic of 312 00:15:56,360 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: Mark Bronell, the magic of of Jimmy Smith. And it 313 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: wasn't even so much like Natron means from the previous week, 314 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: But boy, our offense was special in that. And when 315 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: Mark Brunell could make things happen with his legs, I 316 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: mean we we were as dangerous of the offensive football 317 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: team as there was in the league. The way we 318 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: were playing that day with Mark Brennell at coldback. The 319 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: sun was stretching over the Rocky mountains, casting splashes of 320 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: fading light over Mile Heigh Stadium as Logovan walked towards 321 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: the visitors locker room after that win, the a f 322 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: C Championship game was in their winshield, but the man 323 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: who had never played in the playoff game and had 324 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: now never lost a playoff game wanted to reflect through 325 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: the rear view mirror before boarding the flight for home. 326 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: One of the most unique things about that when in 327 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: Denver was you you rewind all the way back to 328 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: the preseason and here we are going to Denver to 329 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: play in a preseason football game, and then all of 330 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: a sudden whisper start that we had just signed Clyde Simmons, well, 331 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:09,919 Speaker 1: Corey Mayfield. Unfortunately, the defensive tackle gets sent home. The 332 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 1: morning of the preseason game against the Denver Broncos, Clyde 333 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 1: Simmons is flown into Denver. He's told he's not gonna play. 334 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: They get him outfitted into the uniform, shoulder pads, cleats, 335 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: nothing that he's ever worn before. And we go out 336 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:28,120 Speaker 1: there in the first half and and we didn't play 337 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: very well in the preseason. This is preseason. Tom Coughlin 338 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: comes back into that locker room in his irate I 339 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 1: mean he is. He is chewing heads off at a 340 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: ferocious rate. And he comes in and he and everybody's 341 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 1: like taking a knee in the middle of the locker 342 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: room or sitting around on chairs or whatever. And here's 343 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:52,679 Speaker 1: this gatorade table with cups filled with gatorade and water, 344 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 1: and Coughland comes in and swings his arm through the 345 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: cups and they just literally fly up into the air 346 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: and right into the face of Clyde Simmons and me. 347 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: And then when Coughlin turns his attention to a different direction, 348 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: Clyde looks at me, gets my attention, He goes, is 349 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: it like this all the time and I just shook 350 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:24,439 Speaker 1: my yes. His eyes were so big. And then you 351 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 1: fast forward to the playoffs we just won in Denver, 352 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 1: and so it's amazing how things had changed from the 353 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 1: preseason of ninety six to the postseason of ninety six 354 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:41,239 Speaker 1: with the Jaguars football team that had no expectations. And 355 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: then coming home was incredible. And I think it was 356 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:52,360 Speaker 1: incredible more so the win against Buffalo because what happened 357 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:57,679 Speaker 1: was totally unplanned. Those the road from the airport to 358 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: because back then there was no short cut that everybody 359 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 1: takes now back to so it was a long tunnel road. 360 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 1: And there's people standing alongside the road, parked alongside the 361 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 1: road in the backup pickups, drinking beer, you know, hooting 362 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: and hollering, and then the buses are crawling along heading 363 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: through this literally like a tunnel of people and fans 364 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,239 Speaker 1: heading back to the stadium. So to me, that was 365 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 1: so much more special, but as special as the flyover 366 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: of the stadium coming back from Denver, just because it 367 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 1: was unplanned and some of the unplanned things and and 368 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: and here I was thinking to myself, this is the 369 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,360 Speaker 1: fun and excitement I was expecting when I came here, 370 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: as a free agent, and then to beat Denver and 371 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,120 Speaker 1: then to do a fly over over the stadium and literally, 372 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: I don't know how many feet we were above the stadium, 373 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,919 Speaker 1: but we weren't a lot because I could identify people 374 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 1: individual people in the stadium. And it was not quite 375 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 1: to the level of some of the great flyers that 376 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: we've had in Jacksonville Jaguar's history, but it was pretty cool. 377 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: And we actually stopped the card game that we were 378 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: playing in the back of the plane to look out 379 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 1: into the stadium because it was pretty dagon cool. Now, 380 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 1: I don't know if there's ever been a seven twenty 381 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 1: seven or a seven forty seven, whatever it was that 382 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: we were flying in back then that's ever done a 383 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 1: flyover of an NFL stadium at that level. Before he 384 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: was ready for more, much more, But after just one 385 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:35,959 Speaker 1: more season, his pro football career was complete. Arguably the 386 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: best shape I've ever been into my life, and I 387 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: didn't know if this was gonna be. It was last 388 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 1: year of my contract, and I hadn't I had no 389 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: desire to go anywhere else, but I didn't know if 390 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 1: anywhere else was going to be in a retirement, so 391 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,199 Speaker 1: I was kind of unsure. I was thinking that it 392 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 1: was gonna be my last year, and I wanted I 393 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: wanted it to be that. If it was my last year, 394 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:00,200 Speaker 1: I wanted it to be my best year. So I 395 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 1: was in great shape, uh probably as lean and as 396 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 1: strong as I've ever been injury free coming into the season, 397 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: which couldn't be said for many other years playing professional football. 398 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: So I was very excited and go to Chicago looking 399 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: forward to it. It's not a hot weather opening day 400 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: place against the Chicago Bears, and Edgar Bennett the running back. 401 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: You know, it's good back and I think he's a 402 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,880 Speaker 1: local guy, so I was looking forward to facing him. 403 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,120 Speaker 1: And I'll never forget to play. Was the fourth defensive 404 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: play of the game. And it's a play away and 405 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:35,679 Speaker 1: I'm the right defensive end and I'm trailing down the 406 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage and I'm supposed to play backside for 407 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,199 Speaker 1: any cutbacks, reverse or anything like that, and also to 408 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 1: pursue Edgar Bennett. And I'm so fired up, so anxious 409 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: that I take a little bit too tired of an angle. 410 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 1: And when I do, Edgar Bennett decides to plant his 411 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 1: foot and then cut back and try to bounce outside 412 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,959 Speaker 1: of me. So when he does, I'm I've got two more, 413 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: much too much momentum going. I plant my foot and 414 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: I dive up and out and then throw my arm 415 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 1: out to try to trip him up. And that high 416 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: knee kick that he had, which kind of like Roger kraigish, 417 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:11,919 Speaker 1: he kicks my arm, and my arm pops and and 418 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: there goes Edgar Bennett. I didn't make the tackle, and 419 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 1: there he goes, and I'm on the ground holding my arm, 420 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,360 Speaker 1: and never forget. The doctor comes out and he looks 421 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 1: at me and he says what happened? And I had 422 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: already been looking at my arm for a while, and 423 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: I said, well, I tore my bicep ten and it's 424 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 1: rolled up in my arm. I said, also spraying this 425 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 1: ligament right here. And he goes, well, I've never seen 426 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 1: the two of them together. I said, well, you're fixing too, 427 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: And sure enough did the m r I and had 428 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: a distal bicep tendant tear, which is the bicep tenant 429 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 1: and out of your elbow and everything rolls up like 430 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 1: a window shade, And had a second third degree strain 431 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,919 Speaker 1: of that ligament down on my elbow and was going 432 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 1: to require surgery, so and was that going to be 433 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: season ending or not. Well, they didn't want to hold 434 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: the roster spot for somebody that may or may not 435 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 1: be able to play a play towards the end of 436 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: the year. So I went to i R and it 437 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 1: was one of the most frustrated seasons I've ever had 438 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: because I just wanted to go out on such a 439 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: high note. But for me, that was it was a 440 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: It was a a tough career because in that was 441 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: my tenth year, and in ten years I had had 442 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 1: a herniated disc in my neck, torn a c O, 443 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: had reconstructive surgery, right interior capsule shifting, right right shoulder, 444 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 1: I had dislocated shoulder, had separated shoulders, had multiple broken 445 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: fingers and thumbs, had a microfracture in my left knee, 446 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: had an umbilical hernia surgery, and so many other injuries 447 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,719 Speaker 1: that didn't require surgeries or medical attention. And then, by 448 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: the way, I found out after I retired that I 449 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: had a complete terror of my pc al on my 450 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 1: left knee and never knew it because I was on 451 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: so much medication from a shoulder injury. So it was 452 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: time after the bicep tenan was torn and all I 453 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: could be was essentially a glorified cheerleader and was certainly 454 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: tried to be my best at that. And I was 455 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 1: hoping that we would win at a level that's never 456 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: been seen before with this franchise, and we were unable 457 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 1: to do that. And that was probably one of the 458 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: most disappointing things, is that I couldn't be part of 459 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: making it the best year ever for this franchise. Jeff 460 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 1: left football behind, but as he walked out the door, 461 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: he knew the players were in place for a winning tradition. Yeah, 462 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: I think I think that my top five guys. I mean, 463 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:29,479 Speaker 1: number one for me is the selling from from the 464 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: day that I ran him over and tore his knee 465 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: and Steven's point and send him home on Wayne Weaver's 466 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: private jet to get fixed back in Jacksonville. But I mean, 467 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 1: he was just a special talent. And to go against 468 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,919 Speaker 1: Tony when he was just this pup from USC and 469 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: he was so good, so good in practice. I mean, 470 00:24:55,000 --> 00:25:00,160 Speaker 1: here I was seventh year guy going against a rookie, 471 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: and I remember going, how am I going to beat 472 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:08,400 Speaker 1: this rookie? Great player, great player, ultra competitive, great leadership 473 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 1: qualities and The reason I put in probably at the 474 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: top is because no offense to Mark Brunell, but everybody 475 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: has different leadership qualities, and a lot of people expect 476 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: a quarterback to always be the main leader of an offense. 477 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 1: In the early years of the Jaguars history, Tony Boselli 478 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: was the leader without question on offense and not a 479 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 1: slight of any kind to Mark Brunnell. But that was 480 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 1: just the qualities of Mark and Tony, and they were 481 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 1: a good fit together because they each had a different 482 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: quality of strength and Tony Tony's leadership was tremendous. Jimmy 483 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: Smith I've been a big believer and that guys that 484 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: have great success on special teams will ultimately be great 485 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: players on on as positional players as well. And Jimmy Smith, 486 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 1: I mean, blocked the punt early in the franchise's history. 487 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 1: And then Jimmy Smith became arguably a Hall of Fame 488 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 1: wide receiver in this league, and he had such a 489 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 1: special relationship with Mark that the two of them could 490 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: almost communicate without saying anything and without any type of 491 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 1: body language whatsoever. It was just something in the eye 492 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 1: contact because they had something that was very unique, the 493 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 1: ability to change the play and to throw the go 494 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: route whenever they saw it fit, and or many times 495 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: that boy, did they ever see it fit. Mark would 496 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: throw a beautiful ball, and Jimmy just had this speed 497 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: that if you put him on the clock, I don't 498 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: think he was that fast, but you put them in 499 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: pads and on grass, he was faster than everybody else. 500 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 1: And when the ball was in the air, he had 501 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,719 Speaker 1: another gear that nobody else could achieve. Total special player 502 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: and it was so fun. Because I think a lot 503 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,120 Speaker 1: of the credit to Jimmy being a great player goes 504 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,199 Speaker 1: to another one of my great players is Keena Macardell, 505 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: because without Keena, I don't think that there's a Jimmy. 506 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: I think with without Jimmy, there's always a Keenan. But 507 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: I think Keenan gave Jimmy the confidence in the competitive 508 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: fire to become the player that he became, because Keenan 509 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: was just such an ultimate competitor. But it wasn't just 510 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 1: competition when it came to game day. He taught Jimmy 511 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 1: how to practice, because I don't know if Jimmy knew 512 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: how to practice prior to Keenan getting here, because Keenan 513 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 1: practiced like he played Hunter Miles an hour and it 514 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 1: didn't matter if he was nicked up. He showed everybody 515 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 1: what toughness was as a wide receiver. So I mean 516 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 1: those three guys, and unfortunately it's mostly offensive guys, because 517 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: here I go to the Fred Taylor who he had. 518 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 1: He had such a special ability to to slow down 519 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: and then accelerate faster than anybody. I used to call 520 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,639 Speaker 1: it the old Fred Sandford dead leg trick. He just 521 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 1: stutter a little bit and then that defender would gather 522 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,360 Speaker 1: himself for a second, and that's all it took. When 523 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 1: the defender squared his feed up just for a second, 524 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: that was it. Fred was gone because Fred had speed 525 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 1: like no other and you're talking two eight pounds of speed. 526 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 1: And so I loved watching Fred Taylor. And Mark Brnnell 527 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,479 Speaker 1: is a close right there at number five. But I've 528 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: got to go to one guy that I've got I've 529 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:26,919 Speaker 1: got great respect for, and that's Tony Brackens, who I 530 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 1: played with and Clyde played with. And when Tony Brackens 531 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 1: came here, I'll never forget the very first practice that 532 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: we were in pads. And as a veteran guy, you 533 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 1: always try to you try to raise the younger players 534 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: the right way. And so John Peas came to me 535 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: and came to Clyde and said, I want you guys 536 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,719 Speaker 1: to work with this young man, Tony Brackens, obviously our 537 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: second round pick out of Texas. We want we want 538 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: him to learn to be a pro like you two are. 539 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: So me and Clyde both agreed that we would work 540 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: with him. So the first today of pads and I 541 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 1: grabbed Tony and he's gonna be my partner in a 542 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: drill and he lines up for me. He's the defender. 543 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: I'm the offensive lineman, and so I'm supposed to come 544 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: off and you know, be a blocker of him, and 545 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: he's gonna give me a pop in my chest and 546 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: stand me up and get his feet square and get 547 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 1: good hand position. Well, I come off on this drill 548 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 1: when John p says, hut, and I get hit in 549 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: my chest and I literally I can't breathe, and I'm 550 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: going I'm trying not to show that I'm that I'm 551 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: in obvious discomfort and pain because I don't want to 552 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 1: show this rookie that he's hurt me. So I kind 553 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: of turned around and got my face away from to 554 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: catch my breath, and then I'll never forget the drill ends, 555 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: thank goodness, because he was wearing me out and hurt me. 556 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: And so as we're going to the next drill, I'm 557 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: jogging next to Clide and say, Clyde, tomorrow, I wants 558 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 1: you to take Tony in that drill. So the next 559 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: day Clyde takes Tony in that drill and Clyde's eyes 560 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: just like they were on the gatorade cups when Tom 561 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: Coughlin knocked all the gatorade and the water into him. 562 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: His eyes were huge and he goes, my god, I said, exactly, 563 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: my god. The guy strong. But he's such a great athlete. 564 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: I'll never forget. When we used to do conditioning drills, 565 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: he would run with the running backs and outrun them. 566 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: He could catch football's when the quarterback was standing five 567 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 1: ft away from him. And I'm not talking about put 568 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: his hands up to just bat it up in the air. 569 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: I'm talking the reaction and the cat quickness to catch 570 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 1: a football seven ft away from a quarterback and not 571 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 1: bad at but catch it, and then the ability to 572 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 1: make the big play. I just have such great respect 573 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 1: for him because he is by far one of the 574 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 1: most talented players I've ever played with. He is such 575 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: a good person and he's one of the smartest players 576 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: that I ever played with. He would be in meetings 577 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden you'd be tapping him 578 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: trying to wake him up because he's taken a nap 579 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 1: and meetings, but he had retention that if you told 580 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 1: him once, that was all you needed to tell him, 581 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 1: because he was so smart. And not only do I 582 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: have so much respect for him as a player, but 583 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 1: Tony Brackens when he came in here was driving this 584 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: beat up Toyota car that wasn't worth a thousand dollars probably, 585 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 1: And the day he left this franchise and he was 586 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 1: one of the highest I think it was the highest 587 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: paid player in the organization's history. When he left here, 588 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 1: he was driving that same car and he saved all 589 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: of his money. And I just have so much respect 590 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: for him on a personal level, a professional level, and 591 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 1: so many other levels, because he's a good man. He 592 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: was ready for more, much more, but after just one 593 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: more season, his pro football career was complete. Well, for 594 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 1: first and foremost, I feel incredibly fortunate, blessed to have 595 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 1: been able to be what I've been here in Jacksonville, 596 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 1: and and very few guys have had the opportunity that 597 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: I've had, And and I'm thankful every day. I mean 598 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 1: I literally wake up and I say to myself, could 599 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 1: you have written it up any better? And that there's 600 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 1: you always have passions in life, and for me, my 601 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: passions have always been family, football, fishing, hunting, farming, and 602 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: believing it not people say, farming, what do you mean 603 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 1: by that? Why? When I was a kid, I grew 604 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: up all over one of you was a farmer. And 605 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 1: so all of these passions that I that I have 606 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 1: and had, they were all met right here in Jacksonville 607 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 1: and football, Jacksonville Jaguars. Family got incredible family, blessed with 608 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: two great kids. Farming, I've got a tree farm in Georgia, fishing, hunting, 609 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: can do all of that here in Jacksonville, and to 610 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: a degree that can't be seen in a lot of 611 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 1: other places. So, I mean, Jacksonville was just a great fit. 612 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 1: And twenty five years. It's hard to believe that it's 613 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 1: been twenty five years. But then at the same token, 614 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 1: sometimes I wake up in the morning, go, man, it 615 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: feels like thirty years the body is just kind of 616 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 1: getting a little bit old. But uh, but it has 617 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 1: been an incredible ride, and I'm not ready for the 618 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: ride to end yet. I think one of the most 619 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 1: exciting things for me has been recently when this franchise 620 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 1: hosted a playoff game against the Buffalo Bills, and to 621 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 1: see that sea of white in the stadium that hadn't 622 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: been seen since what I call the honeymoon days of 623 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 1: n six, seven and eight. I mean that really took 624 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 1: I think it took a lot of fans back to 625 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 1: those glory days and rekindled a lot of that fire, 626 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 1: that burning fire inside of everybody to be a Jaguar fan. 627 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 1: And for me, it was no different. I mean, relet 628 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 1: the candle, so to speak. And I mean, I just 629 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 1: I love this franchise. I love everything about it. I 630 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 1: love the history. I love the players that have gone 631 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 1: through here that I get to see occasionally, whether it 632 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 1: be in a in a setting in which the Jaguars 633 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 1: are the ones who set it up, or whether it 634 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,279 Speaker 1: be just out on the street. I mean, Jacksonville has 635 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,800 Speaker 1: been such a great town to a lot of different 636 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,839 Speaker 1: former Jaguars, but I think particularly the the early year 637 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:32,359 Speaker 1: Jaguars because we we have a special feeling for Jacksonville, 638 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,800 Speaker 1: because I think the people of Jacksonville have a special 639 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: feeling towards us too, you know, because that was that 640 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: was the honeymoon period, and that, to me, that will 641 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:46,280 Speaker 1: never be replicated, that that special nous of and six 642 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 1: and seven. But that special feeling can be different and 643 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,799 Speaker 1: still be special for this franchise going forward. But but 644 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 1: I do I feel so lucky, so fortunate to have 645 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,280 Speaker 1: been a are of this franchise from the very beginning, 646 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,840 Speaker 1: and there's not a day that goes by without me 647 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 1: going I really am lucky. He left the locker room behind, 648 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 1: but he stayed close to the game. Is a jagged 649 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: worst broadcaster, first on television and most prominently on radio. 650 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 1: It isn't the same as putting on a helmet, but 651 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,160 Speaker 1: it keeps him close to the franchise he loves. I 652 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 1: think being in the booth it doesn't fulfill everything that 653 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,280 Speaker 1: being on the field. There's there's nothing that can fulfill 654 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:33,799 Speaker 1: that the competitive fires that you have. I mean, you're 655 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,800 Speaker 1: not competing in the booth, but you're challenged your challenge, 656 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,800 Speaker 1: your challenge to have a good broadcast, challenge to execute 657 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:42,440 Speaker 1: your job at a high level. And I take that 658 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 1: challenge very seriously every week. And but it's different. It's 659 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 1: a lot different. And when you're when you're part of 660 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 1: a team, which we have a broadcast team and then 661 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,720 Speaker 1: but a football team is fifty three guys that you're bleeding, 662 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 1: you're sweating together, and you're doing it all year long. 663 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 1: It's just a little bit different. But I can tell 664 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 1: you the money mornings I wake up after broadcasting, I 665 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 1: feel a hell of a lot better than I do 666 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: after the games that were played. So there's there's positives 667 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 1: to all of that, and that broadcasting can provide a 668 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 1: lot of positive things and and yeah, it keeps you 669 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,279 Speaker 1: a part of the game. And I think the one 670 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,000 Speaker 1: thing that's a little bit different, I think is a 671 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,920 Speaker 1: broadcaster now you develop a lot of great relationships like 672 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 1: you had when you were a player. But I think 673 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:31,360 Speaker 1: the relationships now as a broadcaster, you don't have you 674 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 1: know all the players. You talk to the players, they 675 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,959 Speaker 1: know who you are. But is that is that relationship 676 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 1: like it was when you were paying No, not even close. 677 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 1: But you have great relationships with the staff of the organization, 678 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 1: whether it be coaching staff, the personnel, staff, and so 679 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 1: in a way, you're rooting for the team, but you're 680 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,759 Speaker 1: rooting for success because of those relationships that you have 681 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,680 Speaker 1: with people that you've built over the years, and because 682 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 1: we all know the reality of football and that if 683 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:11,759 Speaker 1: success is not forthcoming, then those relationships will not continue 684 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,120 Speaker 1: on as they are right now because you have to 685 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,719 Speaker 1: win in this business to be able to continue to 686 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 1: see those persons. So uh, but broadcasting love it. Uh, 687 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 1: can't beat it. But at the same token, here's the 688 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,080 Speaker 1: other one. The paychecks aren't nearly as good.