Speaker 1: Welcome to Before Breakfast, a production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2: Good Morning, This is Laura. Welcome to the Before Breakfast podcast.
Speaker 2: This episode is going to be a longer one part
Speaker 2: of the series where I interview fascinating people about how
Speaker 2: they take their days from great to awesome and any
Speaker 2: advice they have for the rest of us.
Speaker 1: So today I am delighted.
Speaker 2: To welcome Emily Kolenski to the show. She's done a
Speaker 2: lot of different things in her career, but today she
Speaker 2: is mostly going to talk with us about reading the classics,
Speaker 2: which is something I know a number of listeners are
Speaker 2: definitely interested in. So Emily, welcome to the show.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much. I'm glad to be here. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, Emily, why don't you tell us a little bit
Speaker 2: about yourself?
Speaker 3: Sure? Yeah. So I finished my PhD in Theology, the
Speaker 3: Imagination and the Arts in twenty twenty three. I went
Speaker 3: to the University of Saint Andrews, so I got to
Speaker 3: do a lot of wandering along the beaches in Scotland.
Speaker 3: And nowadays I am the engaging editor at Verly Magazine,
Speaker 3: but I still do a lot of reading and I
Speaker 3: was recently at Read with Me, which is a program
Speaker 3: for reading the classics. It's kind of guided program, so
Speaker 3: it's definitely a passion of mine, and I do a
Speaker 3: lot of reading on the side, and then I also
Speaker 3: have a substack I write about Shakespeare and culture, so
Speaker 3: that's how I've continued my intellectual life on the side.
Speaker 2: Excellent, excellent, I guess so you got to explore a
Speaker 2: lot of Shakespeare while you were living in the UK,
Speaker 2: for sure, So first I wanted to start talking. The
Speaker 2: first question is how busy people can make time to
Speaker 2: read in general. I mean, what are some of your
Speaker 2: strategies for doing that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. I think that one of the most important
Speaker 3: things I want to communicate to busy people is that
Speaker 3: audiobooks are still books. And I actually saw something recently
Speaker 3: on substack which was so true, which is that audiobooks
Speaker 3: are actually the most traditional way to read books, Like
Speaker 3: we used to all just sit around and listen to
Speaker 3: one another tell stories like the Iliot and the Odyssey,
Speaker 3: where like audio.
Speaker 2: Books, a lot people were seeing Shakespeare performed like they
Speaker 2: weren't reading Shakespeare, they were watching a play.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yes, And that's actually one of my big soapboxes
Speaker 3: about Shakespeare is that if you tried to read Shakespeare
Speaker 3: off the page and you didn't like it. Of course
Speaker 3: you didn't like it. That's not a good way to
Speaker 3: do it. You know, when I was writing on Shakespeare,
Speaker 3: I watched every single you know, film and stage adaptation
Speaker 3: I could possibly get my hands on. I don't even
Speaker 3: know that I sat down and read Hamlet cover to
Speaker 3: cover besides when I did it in high school, because
Speaker 3: it's meant to be performed. So that's how you want
Speaker 3: to do Shakespeare. And then I also think one of
Speaker 3: your points that you make in Tranquility by Tuesday is
Speaker 3: a really good point as far as reading goes, which is,
Speaker 3: if you have a book that you want to read
Speaker 3: and you have other ways you want to spend your
Speaker 3: leisure time, just say, hey, if I read twenty pages
Speaker 3: of a Tale of Two Cities, I can then go
Speaker 3: scroll on my phone or do whatever I want, and
Speaker 3: you'll be surprised how far you get with just that
Speaker 3: little step.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, there's all sorts of bits of time through the
Speaker 2: day that are available for reading if we want to
Speaker 2: use them. So I'm sure you and I are both
Speaker 2: big fans of reading anything, But is there something in
Speaker 2: particular to be well? First of all, What is a
Speaker 2: classic you're talking about we're reading the classics?
Speaker 1: What is a classic?
Speaker 3: That's a really good question. I think that the way
Speaker 3: I understand the classic is just a work that's, you know,
Speaker 3: undergone the test of time. So it's something that's I
Speaker 3: don't want to give an arbitrary cuff, but maybe more
Speaker 3: than one hundred years old that people have really found
Speaker 3: richness in over a period of years. What it's not
Speaker 3: is an inherently challenging book, and I think that's a
Speaker 3: mistake people make when they think about the classics. They're like,
Speaker 3: it has to be hard and I have to hate
Speaker 3: reading it, or it's not the classics, and then they say, well,
Speaker 3: why aren't I reading more classics the books that I hate?
Speaker 3: You know. So I think something that's been helpful for
Speaker 3: me is to, especially if you're just getting started, start
Speaker 3: with children's classics. Start with things like The Secret Garden
Speaker 3: or A Little Princess that we have generations of readers
Speaker 3: have enjoyed, so you know, there's a lot of value there. Basically,
Speaker 3: I think the classics are just people over the years
Speaker 3: have found these to be deeply moving and powerful books
Speaker 3: that have changed their lives, and that should be the
Speaker 3: cut off, not how challenging it is for you to read.
Speaker 2: And is there anything particularly beneficial then with attempting to
Speaker 2: read these? I mean, why should someone add classics to
Speaker 2: their list if they're the sort of person who's already
Speaker 2: you know, reading a lot of the good news stuff
Speaker 2: that comes out these days.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that's what I find when I read
Speaker 3: the classics is that they have with stood this test
Speaker 3: of time for a reason. And it's often there's a
Speaker 3: lot of really great contemporary literature, but it's sometimes hard
Speaker 3: to judge what's going to really change your life or
Speaker 3: really move you because there's so much there. And I
Speaker 3: actually I would love to hear you interview someone about
Speaker 3: contemporary literature because I don't usually know where to start there.
Speaker 3: But I know that if I dig into say a
Speaker 3: Charles Dickens or a Jane Austen, that's going to have
Speaker 3: really moved someone changed someone's life before I got there,
Speaker 3: and that means that has a good chance of changing mine.
Speaker 2: Excellent, Excellent, And you mentioned that some of the more
Speaker 2: accessible titles you mentioned using children's literature as a way
Speaker 2: to get in that. I'm sure many people have fond
Speaker 2: memories of say, reading Little House in the Big Woods
Speaker 2: or something with their parents when they.
Speaker 1: Were growing up.
Speaker 2: I wonder if you could give me a few more
Speaker 2: other accessible titles if somebody's new to this, what they
Speaker 2: might start with.
Speaker 3: Sure. Yeah, So Francis Hodjet Burnett is one of my
Speaker 3: favorite authors. She's the one who did a Little Princess
Speaker 3: in a Secret Garden. She also has some lesser known
Speaker 3: books like The Lost Prince is really really excellent. It's
Speaker 3: almost out of print, it's kind of hard to find.
Speaker 3: I love this writer called Rumored Godden. She wrote a
Speaker 3: book called An Episode of Sparrows. She writes for a
Speaker 3: span of younger audiences into older audiences. She has a
Speaker 3: very moving book called In This House of Breed that
Speaker 3: some of your listeners might have read. She is a
Speaker 3: good place to start as well. And then I personally
Speaker 3: love C. S. Lewis pretty much anything that he's written.
Speaker 3: And let's see what else. Oh yeah, also very passionate
Speaker 3: about the Ann of Green Gables books. I think people
Speaker 3: don't always think of those as classics classics because they're
Speaker 3: a little bit more recent and they're not super challenging,
Speaker 3: but they've been read over the years and so loved
Speaker 3: for so many reasons. And they really do have this
Speaker 3: tendency that a lot of older books for children do,
Speaker 3: which is they grow with the reader. So you start
Speaker 3: with Ant of Green Gables, you could read that when
Speaker 3: you're like ten or twelve, and the books go all
Speaker 3: the way through when Anne's children are in the war,
Speaker 3: So they become increasingly deep and increasingly like ready to
Speaker 3: accompany you know, women through the stages of their lives.
Speaker 3: And I think that's something we don't always realize that
Speaker 3: there's more to dig into with those.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and say CS Lewis isn't isn't quite thee hundred
Speaker 2: year mark?
Speaker 1: Is he yet?
Speaker 3: Yeah? See, this is why I say I don't really
Speaker 3: want to cut something off. You know, it could be
Speaker 3: and it could.
Speaker 2: Be a classic still, although at about it, I mean
Speaker 2: World War two eras stuff is still a while ago. Now, Yeah,
Speaker 2: we're not talking recent and if generations have read it
Speaker 2: since then, then then maybe that's are qualified. Well, We're
Speaker 2: going to take a quick ad break and then I
Speaker 2: will be back with more with Emily. Well, I am
Speaker 2: back with Emily Kolinski. We are talking about reading the classics,
Speaker 2: so books that have stood the test of time and
Speaker 2: why we should include those in our TBR lists. So
Speaker 2: you said there are some that are definitely more accessible,
Speaker 2: but I will say that there is a difference that
Speaker 2: I have noticed when I have attempted to read books
Speaker 2: that are over one hundred years old, even ones that
Speaker 2: seem fairly readable, like you know, I'll throw out there
Speaker 2: for Moby Dick, who people assume that must be like
Speaker 2: some ridiculous, dense thing, and it's actually quite entertaining. But
Speaker 2: these people were writing before there was cable, before there
Speaker 2: was you know, an internet that could grab your attention quickly.
Speaker 2: So my experience is that sometimes things move a little slower.
Speaker 2: They might be lengthier than you were planning on. The
Speaker 2: sentences might be a little longer because again, you were
Speaker 2: filling people's entertainment time.
Speaker 1: Have you experienced any of this as well.
Speaker 3: Definitely. Yeah, that's a really good point and something that
Speaker 3: that brings to mind for me is part of the
Speaker 3: reason why some of the books that I recommend, even
Speaker 3: the children's books, are more recent, is because it's easier
Speaker 3: to read more recent books because they have more in
Speaker 3: common with our syntax. But I do think in my
Speaker 3: experience of reading things by Saint Dickens or Austin or
Speaker 3: even going back to Shakespeare. Once you've kind of unlocked
Speaker 3: this dialogue pattern and you have time in a big
Speaker 3: book like Moby Dick, it becomes a lot smoother. But
Speaker 3: it does take time to kind of acclimate yourself to
Speaker 3: that sound because it is still English. It's just it
Speaker 3: takes a lot to kind of get over that initial hump.
Speaker 3: So I guess the word of encouragement I would have
Speaker 3: is the more you read them, the easier it will gets.
Speaker 3: And probably the trick is not to over exert yourself
Speaker 3: at the beginning. You know, if you jump right in
Speaker 3: with a rough translation of Anna Karena No, you're going
Speaker 3: to get really discouraged. Or just read it slowly though, right, Yes,
Speaker 3: that's true too.
Speaker 2: I mean, is that is that a technique you would suggest, Like,
Speaker 2: don't try to read it all like as your only book,
Speaker 2: for you know you're reading for two weeks.
Speaker 1: Like to spread it out over a longer period of time.
Speaker 3: And I think that's a good point too. It's helpful
Speaker 3: to have a more challenging book and a less challenging
Speaker 3: book that you're reading so that you have that habit
Speaker 3: of reading. But you don't feel like the choice is
Speaker 3: between you slogging your way through this tone and you
Speaker 3: scrolling on your phone, because you're going to pick scrolling
Speaker 3: on your phone, versus if you say, okay, well I'm
Speaker 3: going to treat myself and read something a little bit easier,
Speaker 3: you're still getting into that practice of picking up a
Speaker 3: book and reading.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so that's it.
Speaker 2: So we're going to balance the older stuff maybe with
Speaker 2: the newer and more accessible stuff. I mean, do we
Speaker 2: have to learn to sort of like increase our level
Speaker 2: of attention. I think there's something to that as well.
Speaker 3: I think we do, and I think that is another
Speaker 3: reason to read the classics. Like obviously they're good to
Speaker 3: read on their own, but I also think they train
Speaker 3: us to pay more attention and to read more slowly,
Speaker 3: and to read with you know, this attention to detail
Speaker 3: that we don't always have, especially when you're scrolling online.
Speaker 3: There are some terrifying statistics about how people read articles online.
Speaker 3: For anyone who writes articles online, they skim the first
Speaker 3: like five.
Speaker 2: They're not reading your article, they're not creating your article.
Speaker 3: They're they're skimming the first lines. They're scrolling to the
Speaker 3: bottom and they're reading the end, and you really can't
Speaker 3: do that with a classic. You're going to miss something.
Speaker 3: And I even to this day, we'll find myself saying, Okay,
Speaker 3: well I read that paragraph, but I didn't really really
Speaker 3: read it. I need to go back and take another
Speaker 3: look at it. And instead of seeing that as a failure,
Speaker 3: I think it's helpful to say, oh, this is a
Speaker 3: good moment for me to practice paying attention.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that whole TLDR too long, didn't read. I
Speaker 2: mean the number of things I've seen that applied to
Speaker 2: that are actually quite short.
Speaker 1: That's like, well you.
Speaker 2: Probably you probably could have read it if you wanted to.
Speaker 2: Well after out here at sag Jashtin, some longtime listeners
Speaker 2: have heard me talk about this. I have tried to
Speaker 2: read longer works, just a couple pages at a time,
Speaker 2: spread out over the course of many months, maybe even
Speaker 2: a year. I read through Warren Peace that way. It
Speaker 2: has three hundred and sixty one very very short chapters.
Speaker 2: So you know, you can read four pages of Tolstoy.
Speaker 2: Fourteen hundred pages of Tolstoy is a lot, but if
Speaker 2: you only do four pages a day, you will get
Speaker 2: through it in a year. I'm currently doing anacarin Ina
Speaker 2: that way, say, I'm doing a chapter at a time,
Speaker 2: and you definitely do see details that you would have
Speaker 2: missed because I read through both of those books fairly
Speaker 2: quickly at other stages of my life.
Speaker 1: I think just trying to get through them.
Speaker 2: I maybe I had to get through them forget reading
Speaker 2: for school. But you know, you missed the little the
Speaker 2: little details, and then you go back and you're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: oh that was in there.
Speaker 1: Oh I didn't see that totally.
Speaker 3: That's really inspiring because Warren Piece, to be honest with you,
Speaker 3: is still on my list and I haven't done it,
Speaker 3: but that's the best way to do it probably is
Speaker 3: just one chapter at a time.
Speaker 1: Well, what is on your list?
Speaker 2: Like, what are some classics that you're hoping to take
Speaker 2: on that you haven't yet.
Speaker 3: Oh, that's a good question. Yeah, warm pieces Actually, I
Speaker 3: think toward the top, I am part of the way
Speaker 3: through a Tale of Two Cities right now, which is
Speaker 3: really good and also really challenging. I've found like a
Speaker 3: lot of these books, you just don't expect them to
Speaker 3: be funny, and they're just hilarious. Like Tale of Two
Speaker 3: Cities is so funny, let's see what else am I
Speaker 3: trying to read. I'm going to look at my bookshelf
Speaker 3: because I've got I've got them kind of lined up.
Speaker 1: Oh really, you have all just makes it.
Speaker 3: Sound more organized than what I have. I have a
Speaker 3: lot of books that I've bought that I haven't read.
Speaker 3: That seems a little bit more accurate I've been. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I have. I have my warm piece copy right here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as it's standing out big.
Speaker 3: Still working my way through Virginia Wolf. I think that
Speaker 3: the goal that I have, probably for the next couple
Speaker 3: of years is to read some of the classic like
Speaker 3: Earnest time Way, William Faulkner, that kind of writing, because
Speaker 3: I really missed in my education. I did a lot
Speaker 3: of kind of the Turn of the century like or
Speaker 3: Victorian stuff, and I've done a lot of Shakespeare, and
Speaker 3: I haven't actually gotten into what again is completely breaking
Speaker 3: my one hundred year cut off, the more contemporary American literature.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of really good American stuff that I
Speaker 3: just have not been able to get into. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, something like Virginia Woolf is such a mix because
Speaker 2: some of it is so accessible and some of it
Speaker 2: is completely not Ye all she really kind of ran
Speaker 2: the gamut there of it. And you know, I love
Speaker 2: reading to the Lighthouse, like I try to read it
Speaker 2: like once a year, and then I made myself get
Speaker 2: through the Waves once and I'm like one.
Speaker 1: Never again.
Speaker 3: It's so impressionistic, you know. And yes, that's why I
Speaker 3: do gravitate towards some of the Victorian or Russian stuff,
Speaker 3: because there tends to be a linear story that I
Speaker 3: can sink my teeth into and I want to come
Speaker 3: back and find out what happens next. And the Waves
Speaker 3: is like all over the place. But it's such a
Speaker 3: cool impressionistic way of writing. So all right, I.
Speaker 2: Will think of it as like seeing a Monet painting
Speaker 2: and set So Emily, do you track your reading? Do
Speaker 2: you write down? And do you take notes on what
Speaker 2: you've been reading? I'm curious your approach there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's interesting that you should ask, because I just recently,
Speaker 3: probably a couple of months ago, got on good Reads
Speaker 3: and I have loved it. I wouldn't. I didn't really
Speaker 3: expect that I would find it interesting. I don't really
Speaker 3: like social media overall, but I found a bunch of
Speaker 3: friends from college who are avid readers and just having
Speaker 3: that little way to track you know, what I'm reading,
Speaker 3: how far I am in these books, and then have
Speaker 3: people kind of cheer you on. And I've noticed I get,
Speaker 3: you know, on my updates. I also read a lot
Speaker 3: of self help and so you know my updates on
Speaker 3: the self help books. People are kind of like, take
Speaker 3: or leave it. But if I say, you know, I
Speaker 3: finished the mill on the flow, so everyone's like yay,
Speaker 3: So you get kind of you get a positive affirmation
Speaker 3: feedback loop there. So that's pretty much all I do
Speaker 3: to track. I definitely am a planning tracking type of person,
Speaker 3: So I'm sure I've had things like bullet journal spreads
Speaker 3: and stuff like that in the past. But the fact
Speaker 3: is that by the time I went to trek the book,
Speaker 3: I probably already didn't have the list. I really admire
Speaker 3: people who have you tracked all the books they've read
Speaker 3: in one notebook, But I'm not organized snuff for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, but when you were doing your PhD, I
Speaker 2: mean I guess like as you were going I mean,
Speaker 2: were you literally like going through each of the Shakespearean
Speaker 2: plays or I mean, like, what was the approach to
Speaker 2: reading there?
Speaker 3: Yeah, the PhD was interesting and grad school in general
Speaker 3: was interesting because it's really just such a different mode
Speaker 3: of reading. You can't I definitely just immersed myself in
Speaker 3: the plays, mostly in the sound like I would listen
Speaker 3: to the plays over and over, I would watch them,
Speaker 3: and that was kind of my primary source material. But
Speaker 3: then as far as the secondary sources, there's just so
Speaker 3: much that you really have to skim and pull. So
Speaker 3: what I ended up with was just this giant Google
Speaker 3: doc of passages from different stuff that I'd read, and
Speaker 3: then I was able to go in and pull that out.
Speaker 3: I went through a while where I was I'd read something,
Speaker 3: I'd pull a bunch of quotes, and then i'd write
Speaker 3: up a summary of you know what this is, what
Speaker 3: this is doing for me where it does in the literature.
Speaker 3: And that ended up, though it doesn't sound, you know
Speaker 3: that romantic, and ended up being super practical and probably
Speaker 3: more practical than doing some long hand note taking, which
Speaker 3: I did a little bit of as well.
Speaker 1: Excellent.
Speaker 2: All right, Well we're going to take one more quick
Speaker 2: bad break and then I'll be back with more from
Speaker 2: Emily Kolinsky on reading the classics.
Speaker 1: Well, we are back.
Speaker 2: I've been talking with Emily Kolinski, who has a PhD
Speaker 2: in Shakespeare topics. You know about reading the classics, and
Speaker 2: so I'm very curious. We talk a lot about daily
Speaker 2: routines on this show. Do you have any daily routines
Speaker 2: that help make you more productive?
Speaker 3: That's a great question, so I'm very influenced by you.
Speaker 3: So I do enjoy time blocking. For quite a while,
Speaker 3: I was planning on Fridays out for the next week,
Speaker 3: and nowadays because I just occasionally can't sleep that well,
Speaker 3: I've found that tracking my sleep amount and then writing
Speaker 3: up in the morning a realistic schedule for myself has
Speaker 3: worked the best. So usually I reserve morning hours for writing.
Speaker 3: It's my best thinking time. And when I just when
Speaker 3: I wake up or when I'm starting my day, I'll
Speaker 3: lay out, you know, this is how much sleep I got,
Speaker 3: So this is the level at which I can expect
Speaker 3: myself to be functioning. And then I try to block
Speaker 3: out morning hours for writing. I take a break and
Speaker 3: then I do email, you know, administrative stuff, posting that
Speaker 3: kind of thing in the afternoon, and that's worked well
Speaker 3: for me lately. I do think that as far as
Speaker 3: a reading habit goes in my day, I one of
Speaker 3: my biggest influences is my grandmother who always, always, always
Speaker 3: has a book. She'll be like, I need to go
Speaker 3: read my book, and she does a lot of that
Speaker 3: late at night, so she'll, you know, the end of
Speaker 3: the day, she sits in bed and she reads. So
Speaker 3: on an ideal day, I sit in bed and I
Speaker 3: read at the end of the day. If it's not
Speaker 3: an ideal day, I try to take my book with
Speaker 3: me where I go and kind of like we were
Speaker 3: saying earlier about the just you know, making it easier
Speaker 3: to do slightly higher effort stuff. If you bring your
Speaker 3: book with you everywhere you have your phone, then that
Speaker 3: option is at least available. And if I'm in the
Speaker 3: dentist office or I'm you know, waiting in the car
Speaker 3: wash line or something like that, I can choose to
Speaker 3: read the book. And if I'm not choosing to read
Speaker 3: the book, I know that it's intentional. So that's something
Speaker 3: that's kind of helpful when I need to flex my
Speaker 3: routine a bit.
Speaker 2: I love the image of you, like sitting there reading
Speaker 2: Virginia Wolf in the car wash line. Yea, the waves exactly,
Speaker 2: the waves that would be the place to do it.
Speaker 2: In fact, so were saying you note how much sleep
Speaker 2: you got, and then plan your day based on the
Speaker 2: energy for that. Is there like a you know, six
Speaker 2: hours equals x. I mean, do you have like an
Speaker 2: actual formula for this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good question. I think that it depends.
Speaker 3: I think I just mostly select what I'm going to
Speaker 3: be working on. So I try to really say, you know,
Speaker 3: if I have hours in the morning and I've managed
Speaker 3: to stave off meetings, which usually I can, I just
Speaker 3: try to keep everything to the afternoon, then I'm going
Speaker 3: to expect some sort of writing out of myself. But
Speaker 3: if I got say, yeah, usually it's about six hours.
Speaker 3: If I get six hours, I'm fine. If I get
Speaker 3: less than six hours, or I get six hours multiple
Speaker 3: days in a row, the writing's just not going to
Speaker 3: be good and I'm going to have to go back
Speaker 3: and edit a lot. So I spend that time on
Speaker 3: editing or brainstorming or taking walks and coming up with
Speaker 3: other ideas. That kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Interesting, Okay, I like that. All right, Well that's a
Speaker 1: smart tip.
Speaker 2: Planning our day is based on how much sleep we
Speaker 2: manage to get. So Emily, what is something you have
Speaker 2: done recently to take a day from great to awesome.
Speaker 3: That's a good question. My favorite thing to do, I
Speaker 3: think for and it'll take a day from great to Austin.
Speaker 3: It'll also take a day from bad to okay, or even.
Speaker 1: Bad to okay. It's probably even more important.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my go to is just taking a walk, and
Speaker 3: especially taking a walk. Sometimes I'll have to bribe myself, say,
Speaker 3: you know, you can listen to a podcast to one
Speaker 3: point of this walk, and then you're gonna have to
Speaker 3: take your earbuds out and actually appreciate the silence. And
Speaker 3: I always come back with a new perspective, new ideas,
Speaker 3: especially when you're when you have a job like mine,
Speaker 3: which is all about ideas. You those are the currency
Speaker 3: of what you work with. And I if I'm sitting
Speaker 3: in my house, I often just don't have any and
Speaker 3: I always do if I take a walk, it'll just
Speaker 3: turn around my whole mood.
Speaker 2: Excellent, excellent, big fan of walking over here. So what
Speaker 2: are you looking forward to right now?
Speaker 3: Oh, that's a good question. Well, my husband recently was
Speaker 3: admitted to Harvard Law School, so we're moving to Harvard,
Speaker 3: and I'm very excited about that. That's something that I'm
Speaker 3: that I'm excited about. A little bit. Uh, it's going
Speaker 3: to be a lot of work as well as far
Speaker 3: as the.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, move is always a lot of work.
Speaker 1: Do you have a lot of books that are going
Speaker 1: to have to move with you?
Speaker 3: Yes, that's the one thing we decided not to downsize.
Speaker 3: You know, we got to downsize a bunch of stuff,
Speaker 3: but we're going to keep all of our keep all
Speaker 3: of our books. What else am I looking forward to?
Speaker 3: I'm really looking forward to spring. I think we're so
Speaker 3: close and you can really feel it. I'm in Michigan.
Speaker 3: The days are getting longer and I'm starting to feel
Speaker 3: like we turn to the corner. So I'm excited for
Speaker 3: long summer days and all the inspiration that that brings.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wonderful. Yeah, I'm so eager for it as well.
Speaker 2: I don't know, it hasn't even been that bad winter,
Speaker 2: and it's been somewhat snowy, but you know, it's still
Speaker 2: there's that moment where you're like, yes, I know spring
Speaker 2: is coming. It's coming now, So why don't you tell
Speaker 2: listeners a little bit about where they can find you. Now,
Speaker 2: you can mention what Verily magazine is for people.
Speaker 1: Who might not know that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Verily magazine is a women's magazine, and our
Speaker 3: motto is less of who you should be, more of
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Speaker 3: I've written a few things over the years and we've
Speaker 3: we've had some really excited. Someone wrote actually recently on
Speaker 3: pride and prejudice and marriage, so people who are interested
Speaker 3: in the classics would enjoy that. And then you can
Speaker 3: also find me on substack. I write sign No More,
Speaker 3: which is on Shakespeare and culture. And I think that's
Speaker 3: I think that's about it for the moment.
Speaker 2: I am yeah, yeah, yeah, sign no More. So everyone
Speaker 2: sigh as an s I g H. Correct, that's right.
Speaker 2: It's a line from much ado by nothing and much
Speaker 2: to do about nothing exactly. All right, Well, Emily, thank
Speaker 2: you so much for joining us. And thanks to everyone
Speaker 2: who's been listening. If you have feedback on this or
Speaker 2: any other episode, you can always reach me at Laura
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Speaker 2: In the meantime, this is Laura, Thanks for listening, and
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