WEBVTT - Roberto Castro - Part 2

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Frida Egg Podcast. Here's part two

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<v Speaker 1>of our podcast with Roberto Castro. If you miss part one,

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<v Speaker 1>check it out and enjoy.

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<v Speaker 2>I miss a green. For example, I'm already upset when

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<v Speaker 2>I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset.

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<v Speaker 3>And when I find my.

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<v Speaker 2>Ball in a brid egg, Frida egg, the dreaded Frida egg,

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<v Speaker 2>Frida egg, fridagg Frida egg, bride egg, lie, I'm about

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<v Speaker 2>ready to run off with the hump.

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<v Speaker 1>So, uh, how do you go about setting up your schedule?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, this year you're you're coming in with websites,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's a little bit different than when you're you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you've kept your card and your and you've got full

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<v Speaker 1>status on on tour.

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<v Speaker 3>How how how do you?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think I've done a terrible job of scheduling

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<v Speaker 2>for most of my career. So I'm learning learning to

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<v Speaker 2>do that, maybe at a very late stage in my career,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, I'm pretty much just taking a chunk at

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<v Speaker 2>a time, So like West Coast and then Florida Swing

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<v Speaker 2>and then summer, see what I get into, see what

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<v Speaker 2>I don't. But you know, I got two little ones

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<v Speaker 2>at home, so the days of hauling off for you know,

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<v Speaker 2>five six weeks in a row are over. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's gonna help me because I think the biggest, dumbest,

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<v Speaker 2>some of the dumbest things I've done is, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>play too much and kind of chase it and just

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<v Speaker 2>think about it the wrong way. So you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>hoping to play like twenty times this year, and you

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<v Speaker 2>know I kind of did that last year. I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to play X number of tournaments and I

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<v Speaker 2>need to get to you know, a certain dollar amount

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<v Speaker 2>to do this or and if I don't, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>like That's that's the Uh, that's the crux of it,

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<v Speaker 2>not whether I played enough. I'm not going to look

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<v Speaker 2>back on the year and be like I should have

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<v Speaker 2>played two more. It's like, no, you should have played better.

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<v Speaker 2>If I if I don't, accomplis what I want to accomplish.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's it's helped me. I think it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>help me, you know, really make the most of every week.

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<v Speaker 2>It's my my coach John Tillery said the funniest thing

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<v Speaker 2>to him is going to tour events and guys coming

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<v Speaker 2>into lunch on Thursday and it's like, how do you

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<v Speaker 2>do one over one under, Like they just think it's

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<v Speaker 2>another week where you're playing for seven million dollars and

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<v Speaker 2>those aren't like the best players. The best players like

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<v Speaker 2>look at every week is a huge opportunity to win,

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<v Speaker 2>and they you know, they have such like a high

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<v Speaker 2>energy level every week. But it's like you've become totally

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<v Speaker 2>desympitized that. You know, if you took a kid out

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<v Speaker 2>of college and you're like, hey, I'm going to give

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<v Speaker 2>you a spot at whatever Houston Open playing for seven million,

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<v Speaker 2>the kid's going to build like his whole month for

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<v Speaker 2>two months around the one week where he can play

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<v Speaker 2>for seven million. But you get on tour and you

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<v Speaker 2>just like totally become you know, you lose that, you

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<v Speaker 2>lose the focus. That's happened to me a lot. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to do better with the scheduling.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's like a fascinating aspect of it is you

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<v Speaker 1>know I get into that with work, like I you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I worked so many hours on this stuff that like

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<v Speaker 1>I just got up. I had a break and you

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<v Speaker 1>know now I feel like rejuvenated and it feels like good.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like the same thing you get into with

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<v Speaker 1>golf is is if you if it's there every day

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<v Speaker 1>and you you know it, it doesn't you lose a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of that, you know, the specialness of it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's that's a that's a.

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<v Speaker 1>Great point because like when you're in an amateur level,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, which is where everybody's coming from. There's only

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<v Speaker 1>like ten to twelve really big tournaments in a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in a summer or a year, right, and those are

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<v Speaker 1>the ones you gear up for.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, managing your excitement and your energy level is

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<v Speaker 2>a challenge out there. Wait, because hey, every week is

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<v Speaker 2>a good opportunity.

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<v Speaker 1>You haven't always been with John Tillery. You you switched

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<v Speaker 1>to him recently, right or in the last.

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<v Speaker 2>Four years four and a half years ago? Okay, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>So was it like making swing changes or changes like

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<v Speaker 1>that when you're at the PGA tour level.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good question. You know, I never like rebuilt

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<v Speaker 2>it or did anything like that. I mean when I

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<v Speaker 2>my kind of first half on tour, I worked with

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<v Speaker 2>my coach that was through college and uh, through like

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<v Speaker 2>many tours, web dot com and we had I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I played a ton of good golf working with him,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, I just kind of felt like I

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<v Speaker 2>was working on the wrong stuff and just got to

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<v Speaker 2>a point where, like, you know, it kind of getting

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<v Speaker 2>the same lesson but getting the same you know, poor results.

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<v Speaker 2>So when I went to John, it was just a

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<v Speaker 2>different lesson. And you know, I mean it's been great,

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<v Speaker 2>been great working with him, but it was never like, Buddy,

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<v Speaker 2>you got to you know, you got to go on

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<v Speaker 2>a hole for three months and rebuild this thing. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>The I played at Pinehurst the US Open, and I

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<v Speaker 2>just hit it so bad. I mean I couldn't with

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of holes left on Friday, like actually could

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<v Speaker 2>have made a burdy or two and made the cut,

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<v Speaker 2>but I was all over the map. And the next

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<v Speaker 2>week I went and saw John for the first time,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I went to congression all the following week

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<v Speaker 2>and I finished like thirtieth, you know, So like I

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<v Speaker 2>went from not hitting it, hitting it terrible, to like

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<v Speaker 2>playing a really hard golf course pretty well, just on

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<v Speaker 2>that one lesson. So, you know, I think, if you're

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<v Speaker 2>a reasonably good player, you shouldn't have to like get

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<v Speaker 2>worse before you get better. I don't believe in that,

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<v Speaker 2>but that you know, maybe that's just in my experience.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think It's uh, it's interesting. It's like, once

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<v Speaker 1>you reach a certain level, you're so talented. You guys

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<v Speaker 1>are also talented at that level that it's like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>making a small change you clearly don't most people don't

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<v Speaker 1>need to rebuild everything.

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<v Speaker 3>If you made it to the PGA Tour, right, what's it?

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<v Speaker 1>What's more frustrating playing like that week you played at

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<v Speaker 1>Pinehurst where you couldn't hit you know, couldn't even hit

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<v Speaker 1>the ball, or the weeks where you hit it great

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<v Speaker 1>and you miss the cut.

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<v Speaker 2>I've had plenty of those two. That's way more frustrating

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<v Speaker 2>to hit a good and pop bad. Yeah, way more frustrating.

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<v Speaker 3>I agree with that too.

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<v Speaker 1>It's uh, so you've your dad is from Peru and

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<v Speaker 1>your mom's from Costa Rica, which is the other way.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, my mom's PERUVI and my dad's my bad.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got a mild form of dyslexia, I think self diagnosed.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know it's it's you've got, you know, two

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<v Speaker 1>immigrant parents and then you know you're playing PGA Tour golf.

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<v Speaker 1>Both your brothers played college golf, like was your were

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<v Speaker 1>your parents golfers?

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<v Speaker 3>Like where this golfing gene come from.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, good question, myke. It's all my mom's side of

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<v Speaker 2>the family. My grandparents played for like the national amateur

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<v Speaker 2>team in Peru. They were lifelong golf first. And my

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<v Speaker 2>aunt is a college She's in the College Golf Hall

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<v Speaker 2>of Fame and played fifteen years on the LPGA Tour.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's all on my mom's side of the family.

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<v Speaker 2>But really my neither of my parents played. But my

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<v Speaker 2>grandparents were you know, avid golfers, and we would spend

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<v Speaker 2>the summers with them in Houston or mostly just spending

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<v Speaker 2>all summer with them, and they took us out and

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<v Speaker 2>from when I was tiny, you know, little we actually

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<v Speaker 2>lived in the same place when we were when I

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<v Speaker 2>was little. But I mean it's just totally for two

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<v Speaker 2>of us, you know, I mean the you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>read the you know these books about like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>outliers or this or that, or you know, you read

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<v Speaker 2>profiles of musicians, and you know, Dad always played in

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<v Speaker 2>the band. Mom was you know my you know, every

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<v Speaker 2>musician like their parents aren't CPAs and lawyers most of

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<v Speaker 2>the time, right, And so I was so lucky, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>And now that I have two little kids, like it's

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<v Speaker 2>I can see how lucky I was. You know, my

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<v Speaker 2>coach Tillery, he has a two boys that are you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like five and seven under six and eight, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I played nine holes with them a couple of weeks

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<v Speaker 2>ago and John was like to, you don't understand what

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<v Speaker 2>it took to get to this point where like they

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<v Speaker 2>remember to grab their wedge and they don't like just

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<v Speaker 2>go off, you know, like to get you know, to

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<v Speaker 2>get around nine holes and with two kids that know

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<v Speaker 2>how to play, and you know, parents are really busy,

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<v Speaker 2>even if even if you take your kid out, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>on the weekend or whatever. My grandparents took me every

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<v Speaker 2>single day when I was a when I was a kid,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, my grandmother would take us during the day

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<v Speaker 2>and then we'd come home and you know, cool off

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<v Speaker 2>or hang out at the pool, and then my grandfather

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<v Speaker 2>would come home from work and we'd play at six

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<v Speaker 2>o'clock at night till dark. And that was every day

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<v Speaker 2>for three months during the summers. And that's what it takes.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. It's like it was just so so lucky

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<v Speaker 2>to have that, and you know, you need you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it takes a environment. It's a huge thing. And golf

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<v Speaker 2>was the one that I grew up in and you

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<v Speaker 2>know now that I I mean the older I get,

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<v Speaker 2>the more I just realized that like three or four

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<v Speaker 2>things along the way of my career from being a

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<v Speaker 2>little kid to and now we're just like huge breaks.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, like my coach that I mentioned before, Jeff Patten,

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<v Speaker 2>through college and many tours. In my first couple of

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<v Speaker 2>years on tour. I mean, he spent like hundreds of

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<v Speaker 2>hours with me because he was the director of golf

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<v Speaker 2>of Golf Club of Georgia where we played, and he

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<v Speaker 2>had some flexibility and he was insanely generous and I

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<v Speaker 2>mean hundreds of hours, thousands of hours over those six

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<v Speaker 2>or eight years. And without that, I don't think I

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<v Speaker 2>would have improved to the point where I could have

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<v Speaker 2>played on the tour. So you know, a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>those things just have to have to go your way,

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<v Speaker 2>and for me, my family background was one of those.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's because you it's almost like you learned. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like when say, like my dad tells me to do

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<v Speaker 1>something when I'm a kid, like you don't always they're

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<v Speaker 1>always telling you stuff to do, but like have that outside,

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<v Speaker 1>outside influence I can imagine is like so much more

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<v Speaker 1>valuable being able to play with somebody that's outside of

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<v Speaker 1>your nuclear family that that gets how to play golf too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, it's uh, it's huge. I mean that's why

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<v Speaker 2>you can improve a lot in college. You know, you

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<v Speaker 2>go to a team where you're surrounded by people that

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<v Speaker 2>are trying to do the same thing, and you have

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<v Speaker 2>a game every day, or just the right club, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like Hillary said that, you know, the research shows like

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<v Speaker 2>you either need like proximity or like a parents, Like

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<v Speaker 2>you either like live next door to like a golf

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<v Speaker 2>course or a tennis court or whatever, right, or you

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<v Speaker 2>have like a parent or a family member that's like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, really involved in that sport. And like I

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<v Speaker 2>had both. You know, we played a court nearby, And

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<v Speaker 2>I mean a lot of things have to go right

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<v Speaker 2>to to get in a position to you know, kind

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<v Speaker 2>of be at the top level of something.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's you read it about entrepreneurs. It's like there's

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<v Speaker 1>there's obviously like the great idea, but then there's a

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<v Speaker 1>ton of hard work and a lot of luck that

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<v Speaker 1>goes into like almost everybody's success.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh totally the luck.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're pretty uh it seems like you you think

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<v Speaker 1>a lot about the game, and you you also one

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<v Speaker 1>of the things you value is like balanced.

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<v Speaker 3>But what would you what do you what do you do.

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<v Speaker 1>When you're on the road for a week, like when

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<v Speaker 1>you're not at the golf course, because how like I

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<v Speaker 1>can't imagine you're spending like ten hours a day at

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<v Speaker 1>the course.

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<v Speaker 2>No. No, Yeah, if my family's traveling, you know, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>hang with them. But if not, really just read a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of stuff, you know. I mean some magazines you

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<v Speaker 2>can kind of go down like the internet wormhole of

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<v Speaker 2>you know, following articles and uh, you know, as much

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<v Speaker 2>as people like to knock on social media, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if you use it the right way, it can lead

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<v Speaker 2>you to like a ton of great knowledge. And I mean really,

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<v Speaker 2>in the last couple of years, I've kind of gotten

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<v Speaker 2>more into like, you know, reading about golf or learning

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<v Speaker 2>about it. I'm not traditionally, you know, a golf junkie.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that you know, this stuff just didn't exist before,

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<v Speaker 2>Like you were doing the Frida Egg and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>people were talking about this stuff on social media. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know where you went to find this stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I think about that with golf courses

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<v Speaker 2>a lot too. It's like I've played so many great

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<v Speaker 2>golf courses, and again, I'm like a lot of them.

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<v Speaker 2>I was a nineteen year old kid that like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>didn't appreciate how good he had it. But on the

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<v Speaker 2>other hand, it was like, yeah, so I want to

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<v Speaker 2>play Cyprus Point when I was twenty. But like unless

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<v Speaker 2>I like had a book on Cyprus Point or like

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you couldn't like do any like research before,

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<v Speaker 2>like read about it or this or that. Now, if

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to play sand Hills, I could read like

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<v Speaker 2>ten articles that you wrote or whoever wrote and find

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<v Speaker 2>out like what the story was, who the architect was,

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<v Speaker 2>how it was. That didn't exist for most of my career,

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<v Speaker 2>so that you know, that may be whatever. But I

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<v Speaker 2>mean I go all over the map when I'm on

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<v Speaker 2>the road. I don't really watch shows. I just don't

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<v Speaker 2>have like the attention span for it. I'd rather like

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<v Speaker 2>flip between magazines and articles and and things like that.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, it's a do you it's it's interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you do you think about like stuff you read

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<v Speaker 1>about non golf related and trying to apply it to golf.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, totally. And I think there's tons of tons of overlap,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's like you know, kind of like what success

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<v Speaker 2>literature like how to make it? You know, not really

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<v Speaker 2>self help stuff. But you know, even if you just

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<v Speaker 2>read like a profile of somebody of how they how

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<v Speaker 2>they achieved, what they achieved, there's a lot of overlap

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<v Speaker 2>with golf. I just read you're Chicago guy. Are you

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<v Speaker 2>a Wilco fan?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I dabble. I'm not like a I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>like a die hard. It wouldn't be my like first

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<v Speaker 1>concert i'd go see, but I enjoy their music.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So I just read, you know, he came out

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<v Speaker 2>with an you know, memoir autobiography and you know, guy

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<v Speaker 2>lives on the road a lot. It's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>you know, overlap, but there's a I don't know. It's

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<v Speaker 2>funny though, when I'm like playing, when I'm like energized

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<v Speaker 2>about things I have nothing to do with golf, Like

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<v Speaker 2>like you said, when I go home to the golf

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<v Speaker 2>to the hotel in the afternoon, if I spend like

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<v Speaker 2>three hours like in high energy mode like reading and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe I'll write something or I'll you know, find a

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<v Speaker 2>new book and like burn through half of it, that's

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<v Speaker 2>when I'm like playing, Well, it's like an overall energy

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<v Speaker 2>level when I am just like I don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>to do this afternoon, and I maybe like veg out

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<v Speaker 2>to a movie, or like I'm just bummed about being

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<v Speaker 2>on the road. I don't play well like and I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's you know, kind of that just like rhythm

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<v Speaker 2>of you know, human rhythm of like being in a

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<v Speaker 2>highly productive state versus not. To me, it carries over

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<v Speaker 2>away from just your you know, your actual jobs.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the balance, you know, it's like the everything in life.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all about balance. You can't be just a one

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<v Speaker 1>dimensional person. I feel like and like learning about other

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<v Speaker 1>stuff is so important to because you can learn from

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<v Speaker 1>other people that are doing completely different things. That's I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like I grew up cattying and that's something I

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<v Speaker 1>learned from Catty and was like, you know, I'd be

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I was I was a high school player,

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<v Speaker 1>a good high school player, and I'd be catting for

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<v Speaker 1>these like twenty five handicaps and they'd say something about

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<v Speaker 1>the game of golf and I'd be like, huh, never

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<v Speaker 1>thought of it that.

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<v Speaker 3>Way, and it would help me, you know, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It's ah, so it would do you ever think about

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<v Speaker 1>you know, post career, like what what you would like

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<v Speaker 1>to do?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, obviously you're still young.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, yeah, I'm not quite aging out yet, but

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<v Speaker 2>I'm also not not that excited to see all these

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<v Speaker 2>you know, cameraon champs that show up every year. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I think about it. I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 2>love golf. There's you know, interesting used to be done

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<v Speaker 2>in golf, but I also could see myself going in

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<v Speaker 2>a completely different direction. You know. I think, like I

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<v Speaker 2>said earlier, guys careers on tour, I think you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to see more of the if you're kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>the average tour player, more of guys playing from twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five to thirty five, and if you're a superstar, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>playing from twenty to thirty or twenty to forty if

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<v Speaker 2>you're a superstar. But everyone loves to point out the

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<v Speaker 2>outliers as to what's possible. Well, Stricter played till he's fifty.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, yeah, but there's outliers in every field. That

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't mean that anyone can do it, you know. It's

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<v Speaker 2>like David Toms kept his card to least fifty. It's unbelievable,

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<v Speaker 2>first of all, but the number, you know, you're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about like two three guys in the last Davis Love whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>There's yeah, three or four guys in the last like

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<v Speaker 2>ten years that could do that. So I don't see myself.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's just going to be so difficult in

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<v Speaker 2>this in this landscape to just you know, play that

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<v Speaker 2>you know, ten years when you're just like, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean it's not my prime, but I'll just stay on tour.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not really going to be an option for most guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, you never know, though you might might I something

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<v Speaker 1>might click and it could just completely change.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. You could be an outlier.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, totally. Like I said, when I look back

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<v Speaker 2>at how many dumb things I've done in my career,

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<v Speaker 2>like it's crazy to like start this year feeling like

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<v Speaker 2>I actually might know what I'm doing as far as like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, some of the scheduling stuff and just not

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<v Speaker 2>making the obvious mistakes that I've made in the past

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<v Speaker 2>that I actually feel like there could be some some

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<v Speaker 2>really good stuff ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me let me ask you a question. I I

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<v Speaker 1>know this moment vividly for what's the worst shot you've

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<v Speaker 1>ever hit in your competitive career?

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<v Speaker 2>God, great question, Just like bad shot, like like I.

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<v Speaker 4>Can't think like that, like like given the circumstance like

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<v Speaker 4>where like you know you could be it could have

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<v Speaker 4>been like you you just made seven berdis in a

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<v Speaker 4>row and you just like get this complete awful like.

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<v Speaker 1>I think about it. So I in high school golf,

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<v Speaker 1>I played really well in our regional. I get in

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<v Speaker 1>the sectional, I'm like the last tea time. I'm paired

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<v Speaker 1>with some really high profile players that played D one golf,

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<v Speaker 1>and like the first tee I laid side over like

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<v Speaker 1>an iron off the tee. It hit like seven inches

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<v Speaker 1>behind the ball. The worst shot I've ever had in

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<v Speaker 1>my life.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, that's great. I remember like four putting at

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<v Speaker 2>a high school regional on the last hole for our

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<v Speaker 2>team to miss by like one or something that was

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<v Speaker 2>not good. I was playing with Chris Kirk that day

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<v Speaker 2>and he like barely rolled out him looked like he

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<v Speaker 2>like didn't raise a finger and shot like sixty three.

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<v Speaker 2>So that made it extra discouraging. Gosh, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>about like the situation. I can picture some bad shots,

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<v Speaker 2>so like that Pinehurst R five at US Open. It's

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<v Speaker 2>like number five or something that like that long one

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<v Speaker 2>that goes up to the left. I mean I hit

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<v Speaker 2>one one hundred yards right off the tee, one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>yards right, and I somehow I like hit the last

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<v Speaker 2>pine tree on the road over there and stayed in play.

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<v Speaker 2>But just like shots like that, you know, maybe not

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<v Speaker 2>that was probably a pretty low pressure situation because I

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<v Speaker 2>was probably just outside the cut anyway. But there's some

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<v Speaker 2>you know, everyone has those though, everyone has. If you

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<v Speaker 2>stay in this game long enough, you're can to take

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<v Speaker 2>some pretty bad licks. That's just part of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, at least it's not like a shank off the tee,

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<v Speaker 3>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's I played. I played with. Yeah, I got

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<v Speaker 2>memories of other guys, you know, like some of the

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<v Speaker 2>shots they hit or good or bad. Yeah, it's never

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<v Speaker 2>so situational. It's just like purely the shot that they hit.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you want to do some overrated under Yeah

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<v Speaker 1>all right, sure, who haven't done this in a while? So,

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<v Speaker 1>uh overrated underrated putting with the pin in?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it'll prove to be underrated.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you gonna put with the pin in?

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<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of guys will outside of twenty

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<v Speaker 2>or thirty feet yeah, and I think I will.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, do you let me ask you a question.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like Bryson's chops with his like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>testing are very overrated. Like you you went to an

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<v Speaker 1>academic institution for engineering, do you do like testing?

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<v Speaker 3>Like like if you no, right?

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<v Speaker 2>No? Yeah, no, and look you can you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know how deep into the weeds he gets. But

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<v Speaker 2>like for something to be like statistically significant, you got

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<v Speaker 2>to do more than like ten shots on a track.

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<v Speaker 2>Mean you got to do you know, I mean I

0:20:58.119 --> 0:21:01.320
<v Speaker 2>don't know those formulas my head anymore, but you know,

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<v Speaker 2>hitting ten putts against the pen and seeing that eight

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<v Speaker 2>go in and two don't go in, it's not statistically significant.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean you can call it that, but it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I remember from like a statistics course, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like sixteen hundred is like the minimum sample size for

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<v Speaker 1>something to be statistically significant.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I you're probably right. I don't remember. I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>so confused though about like the disconnect between like scientists

0:21:28.119 --> 0:21:31.400
<v Speaker 2>that are actually scientists and then like like the FedEx

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<v Speaker 2>Cup this is ten years old news, but the year

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<v Speaker 2>that like VJ won before the Tour Championship, okay, and

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<v Speaker 2>then the next year it was like super way too

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<v Speaker 2>volatile and they're like, look, this a while to get

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<v Speaker 2>it right. And I'm just thinking, like I had professors

0:21:47.480 --> 0:21:50.800
<v Speaker 2>in is strictly an industrial engineering problem, it's just a

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<v Speaker 2>math problem, Like it's a modeling problem. You can. I

0:21:54.000 --> 0:21:57.120
<v Speaker 2>had professors and tas and grads, you know, PhD students,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I just feel like with a fifty dollars could

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<v Speaker 2>have given them to some PhD at Georgia Tech and

0:22:03.800 --> 0:22:06.879
<v Speaker 2>they could have modeled the fed X cup. Like I

0:22:06.920 --> 0:22:10.000
<v Speaker 2>had an instructor in a math class who was like

0:22:10.400 --> 0:22:12.199
<v Speaker 2>he was getting his PhD, and I was like, what

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<v Speaker 2>do you do with this job? Like what are you

0:22:13.880 --> 0:22:16.320
<v Speaker 2>going to do with this stuff we're learning? And he's like, well,

0:22:16.359 --> 0:22:18.399
<v Speaker 2>you can make a model of like whether it's you know,

0:22:18.480 --> 0:22:23.359
<v Speaker 2>financially feasible to for Boeing to develop and build a

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<v Speaker 2>new jet. So you're talking about like building an equation

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<v Speaker 2>with one hundred and fifty variables in it to figure out,

0:22:28.760 --> 0:22:30.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, because like this new Dreamliner, like it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be a production for like thirty or forty years,

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<v Speaker 2>Like does it make sense cost? Benett? How did we

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<v Speaker 2>not get the fed X cup right? You know, Like

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't understand how we didn't like get some Standford,

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<v Speaker 2>Georgia Tech PhD to run like a million models of

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<v Speaker 2>this so that VJ couldn't win the damn thing before

0:22:49.840 --> 0:22:52.679
<v Speaker 2>it even started. That's just so confusing to me. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know, maybe they did, and maybe the tech guy

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<v Speaker 2>got it wrong. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>What. What do you think of the news system?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's it's great. I think it's great. And

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<v Speaker 2>to give my I got a buddy who's been like

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<v Speaker 2>couting this exact system for like ten years and he's

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<v Speaker 2>completely vindicated by the tour doing it. I think it's good.

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<v Speaker 2>I think people can understand it. Every you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>should have to win the last tournament. You should have

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<v Speaker 2>to win the last tournament to win the championships.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's not winning if it's not winning if you

0:23:21.280 --> 0:23:22.080
<v Speaker 3>start with the lead.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it's consumable. It's consumable to the fan. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's great.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, should it count as an official win if

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<v Speaker 1>you start card Well, I'm just saying. I'm just saying

0:23:34.680 --> 0:23:38.119
<v Speaker 1>this is that you're talking, say say you win that.

0:23:38.240 --> 0:23:41.919
<v Speaker 1>Say somebody wins this and they pass somebody else that

0:23:41.960 --> 0:23:44.800
<v Speaker 1>played in a different era for career wins. You know,

0:23:44.880 --> 0:23:48.040
<v Speaker 1>someone might look at that twenty years from now and say, hey,

0:23:48.080 --> 0:23:50.560
<v Speaker 1>this guy had a better career. He had more career wins,

0:23:50.600 --> 0:23:52.880
<v Speaker 1>and two of them could come from an event where

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<v Speaker 1>he started with the lead.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I don't care, all right, Hey, I don't care.

0:23:58.800 --> 0:24:00.680
<v Speaker 2>You know, I just don't care.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you think about match play?

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't have much experience with it. I think

0:24:07.240 --> 0:24:09.640
<v Speaker 2>it's I think it's what most people play. They play

0:24:09.760 --> 0:24:13.560
<v Speaker 2>nassas at home. You know, it just doesn't work in

0:24:13.600 --> 0:24:16.480
<v Speaker 2>professional golf because you lose half your stars every round,

0:24:16.680 --> 0:24:18.119
<v Speaker 2>so it's tough. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>My idea for the Tour Championship would you you do

0:24:21.600 --> 0:24:27.040
<v Speaker 1>match play and you play out all the thirty two spots,

0:24:27.800 --> 0:24:30.440
<v Speaker 1>so instead of thirty, you got thirty guys in there,

0:24:30.520 --> 0:24:33.920
<v Speaker 1>and you play the matches all the way through one

0:24:34.000 --> 0:24:37.439
<v Speaker 1>through thirty two. So like there's a thirty one versus

0:24:37.480 --> 0:24:40.560
<v Speaker 1>thirty two match on Sunday, just like there's a one

0:24:40.640 --> 0:24:41.560
<v Speaker 1>versus two match.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, I mean you could if Dustin and speak

0:24:45.960 --> 0:24:48.480
<v Speaker 2>are playing a thirty one to thirty two match, Like

0:24:48.520 --> 0:24:50.760
<v Speaker 2>that's a marquee matchup. But you got to watch the

0:24:50.800 --> 0:24:52.840
<v Speaker 2>guy that's gonna win fifteen million, right, that's the one

0:24:52.840 --> 0:24:54.200
<v Speaker 2>people are going to want to watch.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, all of them are.

0:24:55.800 --> 0:24:59.040
<v Speaker 1>There's something being played for all of them. Like, and

0:24:58.800 --> 0:25:01.760
<v Speaker 1>that's the thing is, like why do people go watch people?

0:25:02.160 --> 0:25:04.480
<v Speaker 1>There's if you go to somebody's club championship, there's like

0:25:04.480 --> 0:25:06.920
<v Speaker 1>one hundred and fifty people watching the club championship.

0:25:08.160 --> 0:25:09.280
<v Speaker 3>It's an easy way.

0:25:09.119 --> 0:25:11.960
<v Speaker 1>To follow golf, Like match play is so much easier

0:25:11.960 --> 0:25:12.880
<v Speaker 1>for the casual fan.

0:25:13.040 --> 0:25:16.440
<v Speaker 3>Like I told this story on my other pot.

0:25:16.480 --> 0:25:18.359
<v Speaker 1>It's like, you know, I went to the after the

0:25:18.560 --> 0:25:20.360
<v Speaker 1>after the match, I went to the bar and all

0:25:20.359 --> 0:25:23.399
<v Speaker 1>my all my buddies aren't golfers. They're all like my

0:25:23.840 --> 0:25:26.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, they're my college buddies. None of them are.

0:25:26.359 --> 0:25:29.200
<v Speaker 1>They're all casual golfers. And I go to the bar

0:25:29.240 --> 0:25:33.560
<v Speaker 1>and they never ask me about golf unless it's the Masters,

0:25:33.880 --> 0:25:36.000
<v Speaker 1>you know. And I get to the bar and all

0:25:36.080 --> 0:25:39.199
<v Speaker 1>of them are just asking me how the match was,

0:25:39.840 --> 0:25:42.520
<v Speaker 1>Like and this is moments after I've never seen but

0:25:42.600 --> 0:25:46.120
<v Speaker 1>it's so easy for them to understand match play.

0:25:46.280 --> 0:25:49.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah you're talking about the Tiger, Phil, Yeah, did you

0:25:49.280 --> 0:25:51.840
<v Speaker 2>watch that? I watched the front nine?

0:25:52.119 --> 0:25:52.760
<v Speaker 3>What'd you think?

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it as a general like the date is

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<v Speaker 2>perfect and I think like a pay per view to

0:26:00.040 --> 0:26:03.480
<v Speaker 2>e the golf event is also has a ton of potential.

0:26:03.520 --> 0:26:07.080
<v Speaker 2>I thought that particular iteration of it was pretty rough.

0:26:07.920 --> 0:26:09.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I thought they did.

0:26:09.720 --> 0:26:13.439
<v Speaker 1>Like the idea is brilliant, the execution was horrible. But

0:26:13.560 --> 0:26:16.240
<v Speaker 1>like just what you said, like you were watching all

0:26:16.240 --> 0:26:18.000
<v Speaker 1>those shells wonderful world of golf.

0:26:20.560 --> 0:26:22.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I was. I had a d V

0:26:22.359 --> 0:26:24.440
<v Speaker 2>yard and was just watching because I wanted to see

0:26:24.440 --> 0:26:28.760
<v Speaker 2>the courses back in the day. Yeah, but those are

0:26:28.840 --> 0:26:29.800
<v Speaker 2>stroke play match.

0:26:29.640 --> 0:26:32.960
<v Speaker 3>Play, Yeah, those are weird.

0:26:33.080 --> 0:26:35.040
<v Speaker 2>You know, Jan Littler got into the woods there at

0:26:35.040 --> 0:26:37.000
<v Speaker 2>Pine Valley and what he will almost never saw him

0:26:37.000 --> 0:26:39.800
<v Speaker 2>again seven on it. So that was a ball game.

0:26:41.400 --> 0:26:44.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's an interesting thing I think about too, is

0:26:44.240 --> 0:26:47.120
<v Speaker 1>like the one thing that match play doesn't account for

0:26:47.840 --> 0:26:48.879
<v Speaker 1>is like the big number.

0:26:50.280 --> 0:26:54.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like, hey, that's you know, I you know, I

0:26:55.080 --> 0:26:57.200
<v Speaker 2>listened to some of your stuff in the conversation about

0:26:57.240 --> 0:27:00.919
<v Speaker 2>like that's just a perfect example of like professional golf

0:27:01.119 --> 0:27:03.439
<v Speaker 2>versus just regular golf.

0:27:03.600 --> 0:27:03.639
<v Speaker 1>It.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we're just so indoctrinated to playing seventy two

0:27:07.520 --> 0:27:10.359
<v Speaker 2>whole stroke play and whether it's right and it's just

0:27:10.400 --> 0:27:12.119
<v Speaker 2>the way it is, you know, like it doesn't have

0:27:12.160 --> 0:27:13.879
<v Speaker 2>to be that way forever, and you can throw some

0:27:14.000 --> 0:27:18.199
<v Speaker 2>random events in there, but you know, the big number is,

0:27:18.359 --> 0:27:21.280
<v Speaker 2>you know all those the way we've built professionals have

0:27:21.320 --> 0:27:24.800
<v Speaker 2>like built their game to be played is to maximize

0:27:25.400 --> 0:27:27.400
<v Speaker 2>a seventy two hoole stroke play result.

0:27:27.720 --> 0:27:31.720
<v Speaker 1>So so so is stroke play overrated or underrated?

0:27:34.000 --> 0:27:34.800
<v Speaker 2>Properly rated?

0:27:35.359 --> 0:27:38.320
<v Speaker 3>Oh man, can't can't properly rate that.

0:27:39.400 --> 0:27:40.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to go underrated.

0:27:40.480 --> 0:27:44.440
<v Speaker 1>The I was gonna also ask is Tillery and Jeopardy

0:27:44.480 --> 0:27:46.560
<v Speaker 1>of losing his job to club pro guy?

0:27:49.080 --> 0:27:51.920
<v Speaker 2>He yeah, I mean he's pretty concerned about it. He's

0:27:51.960 --> 0:27:54.439
<v Speaker 2>definitely given me a discount on my rate just to

0:27:54.640 --> 0:27:58.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, kind of keep me around. So he was

0:27:58.040 --> 0:27:59.840
<v Speaker 2>worried about losing me, so he said he's gonna give

0:27:59.840 --> 0:28:01.960
<v Speaker 2>me a half off for the first half of next year.

0:28:01.960 --> 0:28:02.719
<v Speaker 2>So that's nice.

0:28:03.320 --> 0:28:03.760
<v Speaker 3>All right.

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<v Speaker 1>Last question, if you were a golf fan, what's the

0:28:08.240 --> 0:28:11.919
<v Speaker 1>PGA tour stop that you would travel to go go see.

0:28:13.280 --> 0:28:16.880
<v Speaker 2>That's a great question. And honestly, after my rookie year

0:28:17.400 --> 0:28:19.240
<v Speaker 2>or maybe my second year, when I saw all you know,

0:28:19.280 --> 0:28:21.880
<v Speaker 2>by then i'd seen all the stops, I think if

0:28:21.880 --> 0:28:23.760
<v Speaker 2>you're a golf fan, you should go to one tour

0:28:23.800 --> 0:28:27.600
<v Speaker 2>event a year, because there are really really cool tour events.

0:28:27.600 --> 0:28:30.399
<v Speaker 2>If you go in person to any tour event, I

0:28:30.440 --> 0:28:33.280
<v Speaker 2>think you'll become a golf fan. And they all are

0:28:33.440 --> 0:28:37.440
<v Speaker 2>very different and they have their own personality and they're awesome.

0:28:37.520 --> 0:28:39.920
<v Speaker 2>There really are, Like I mean, you can complain about

0:28:39.920 --> 0:28:43.680
<v Speaker 2>the wrap around or whatever, and I know I've done

0:28:43.720 --> 0:28:46.400
<v Speaker 2>it before. And then you go to NAPA. It's like, golf,

0:28:46.560 --> 0:28:48.560
<v Speaker 2>we just finished a week ago. It's a joke. And

0:28:48.560 --> 0:28:51.840
<v Speaker 2>then you go to NAPA and there's thousands of people eating,

0:28:52.120 --> 0:28:55.640
<v Speaker 2>drinking wine, watching golf. It's a beautiful setting and you're like,

0:28:55.680 --> 0:28:58.000
<v Speaker 2>all right, I get it. Like these people are, they're

0:28:58.000 --> 0:29:00.520
<v Speaker 2>having the time of their lives out here. They're like

0:29:00.640 --> 0:29:03.760
<v Speaker 2>halfway watching golf. But you know, to answer your question,

0:29:04.080 --> 0:29:08.480
<v Speaker 2>Colonial is awesome, Tory Pines is awesome, Charlotte is awesome.

0:29:09.680 --> 0:29:14.760
<v Speaker 2>Travelers gets a bunch of people. The Players is awesome.

0:29:14.880 --> 0:29:20.000
<v Speaker 2>The Players is really cool. Yeah, they're all different, and

0:29:20.080 --> 0:29:23.080
<v Speaker 2>the product in person is really really good, and the

0:29:23.480 --> 0:29:25.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, the kind of the personality of the town

0:29:25.560 --> 0:29:28.320
<v Speaker 2>comes out a little bit. And the I mean, like

0:29:28.400 --> 0:29:31.520
<v Speaker 2>San Diego, I mean, I don't know eighty percent of

0:29:31.560 --> 0:29:34.320
<v Speaker 2>the people there watched more than like two shots. But

0:29:34.840 --> 0:29:37.440
<v Speaker 2>it's usually beautiful and it's just like a culture of

0:29:37.440 --> 0:29:41.280
<v Speaker 2>like being outside and it just feels like the you know,

0:29:41.360 --> 0:29:44.880
<v Speaker 2>like the winter is like suspended for a minute because

0:29:44.880 --> 0:29:46.320
<v Speaker 2>you're you're there. It's just great.

0:29:47.520 --> 0:29:50.600
<v Speaker 1>So sorry, this is one more question. Do you think

0:29:50.600 --> 0:29:54.240
<v Speaker 1>the players should be a major? No?

0:29:55.680 --> 0:29:58.080
<v Speaker 2>Right, No, I don't really care too much about like

0:29:58.200 --> 0:30:01.000
<v Speaker 2>history or this or that, you know, like the relative

0:30:01.120 --> 0:30:04.200
<v Speaker 2>comparing the fifties to now, But I think four majors

0:30:04.200 --> 0:30:06.760
<v Speaker 2>is four majors. I think that's pretty That's probably where

0:30:06.800 --> 0:30:09.040
<v Speaker 2>I draw the line as far as you know, let's

0:30:09.080 --> 0:30:13.440
<v Speaker 2>keep some things consistent for comparison safe. I have a

0:30:13.480 --> 0:30:17.520
<v Speaker 2>question for you though, all right, do you think that

0:30:18.760 --> 0:30:21.720
<v Speaker 2>like listening to the you know, the architecture junkies like

0:30:21.800 --> 0:30:25.840
<v Speaker 2>yourself and your whole crowd, do you think that the

0:30:26.000 --> 0:30:30.200
<v Speaker 2>Dope and the core Crenshaw and the gil Hands do

0:30:30.240 --> 0:30:33.680
<v Speaker 2>you think it's just the current, Like I feel like

0:30:33.760 --> 0:30:36.800
<v Speaker 2>you're convinced that like it's just better now and like

0:30:36.920 --> 0:30:39.760
<v Speaker 2>now they're getting it right, whereas like in the eighties

0:30:39.800 --> 0:30:43.440
<v Speaker 2>and nineties when it was like Fazzio and Nicholas. Don't

0:30:43.480 --> 0:30:45.000
<v Speaker 2>you think you would have been like, look, Fazzio is

0:30:45.000 --> 0:30:47.640
<v Speaker 2>building these great golf Like do you think twenty years

0:30:47.680 --> 0:30:51.400
<v Speaker 2>from now is it that different than fashion? Like are

0:30:51.600 --> 0:30:54.120
<v Speaker 2>you know, are these courses going to be great forever

0:30:54.400 --> 0:30:56.840
<v Speaker 2>or are you just convinced that your current era that

0:30:56.880 --> 0:30:58.120
<v Speaker 2>these guys are getting it right.

0:30:58.880 --> 0:31:04.920
<v Speaker 1>So that's great question. I think obviously, like anything, there's trends,

0:31:05.480 --> 0:31:08.480
<v Speaker 1>but if you look at the greatest golf courses in

0:31:08.520 --> 0:31:13.920
<v Speaker 1>the world, they embody a few core characteristics, like they're

0:31:14.000 --> 0:31:17.120
<v Speaker 1>extremely There's like most of the great golf courses have

0:31:17.280 --> 0:31:21.200
<v Speaker 1>with right Augusta is really wide, it's almost impossible to

0:31:21.200 --> 0:31:25.160
<v Speaker 1>lose a golf ball except for like the couple ponds,

0:31:25.320 --> 0:31:30.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, the So from that standpoint, like these guys

0:31:30.800 --> 0:31:37.400
<v Speaker 1>kind of design with the principles of you know, the greatest.

0:31:37.160 --> 0:31:38.240
<v Speaker 3>Architects of all time.

0:31:39.080 --> 0:31:41.760
<v Speaker 1>I think at the end of the day, golf architecture

0:31:41.920 --> 0:31:47.320
<v Speaker 1>is extremely simple and the toughest skill for an arc

0:31:47.480 --> 0:31:51.760
<v Speaker 1>that for an architect to have is actually restraint. So

0:31:51.960 --> 0:31:55.800
<v Speaker 1>like doing less is more, and I think the minimalist

0:31:55.840 --> 0:31:59.800
<v Speaker 1>approach to it, like like why is Saint Andrew's like

0:31:59.840 --> 0:32:01.760
<v Speaker 1>our Argia with the greatest golf course of the world,

0:32:01.880 --> 0:32:05.200
<v Speaker 1>Like it's like also and it was done when people

0:32:05.280 --> 0:32:08.920
<v Speaker 1>knew so little. There there's another whole thing with like amateurs,

0:32:09.000 --> 0:32:12.560
<v Speaker 1>like designing golf courses. Like Hugh Wilson designed Marion. He

0:32:12.560 --> 0:32:15.960
<v Speaker 1>he never designed another golf course. Uh you know, look

0:32:15.960 --> 0:32:19.479
<v Speaker 1>at Crump at Pine Valley Founds it at Oakmont, like

0:32:19.520 --> 0:32:20.280
<v Speaker 1>all these guys did.

0:32:20.320 --> 0:32:23.160
<v Speaker 3>It was their first course. And uh so.

0:32:23.160 --> 0:32:26.480
<v Speaker 1>I think like at the end of the day, I

0:32:26.480 --> 0:32:28.760
<v Speaker 1>think like there's there's a lot of things with like

0:32:28.840 --> 0:32:31.520
<v Speaker 1>the naturalness that they do these golf courses where they

0:32:31.520 --> 0:32:34.960
<v Speaker 1>aren't they're very sympathetic to the land. Like something that

0:32:35.000 --> 0:32:37.360
<v Speaker 1>bugs me is like you know when you go to

0:32:37.600 --> 0:32:41.200
<v Speaker 1>like say a Fasio or a Jones courses like the

0:32:42.200 --> 0:32:45.080
<v Speaker 1>you know they they had the earth moving capabilities and

0:32:45.120 --> 0:32:47.959
<v Speaker 1>they did almost too much where you know, you have

0:32:48.000 --> 0:32:50.840
<v Speaker 1>these like you have containment mounting that blocks like your

0:32:50.880 --> 0:32:53.640
<v Speaker 1>long views of the golf course. Like little things like

0:32:53.680 --> 0:32:57.080
<v Speaker 1>that are really like my pet peeves. But I think

0:32:57.120 --> 0:32:59.200
<v Speaker 1>the trends are going to change and and there's gonna

0:32:59.200 --> 0:33:01.360
<v Speaker 1>be a new wave of our architects, just like you know,

0:33:01.400 --> 0:33:03.760
<v Speaker 1>there's this new wave of golfers, Like I don't know

0:33:03.840 --> 0:33:07.160
<v Speaker 1>what the next wave of golf architect. Texture is going

0:33:07.240 --> 0:33:08.959
<v Speaker 1>to be like what the next trend's going to be,

0:33:09.000 --> 0:33:11.440
<v Speaker 1>But they're certainly going to be a new trend. If

0:33:11.480 --> 0:33:13.760
<v Speaker 1>I knew what the next trend would was going to be,

0:33:13.800 --> 0:33:18.480
<v Speaker 1>I'd quit my job and become a golf architect. But yeah,

0:33:18.480 --> 0:33:21.360
<v Speaker 1>they I mean they are like essentially, I don't know.

0:33:21.400 --> 0:33:25.240
<v Speaker 1>I think the principles that they use and are the

0:33:25.320 --> 0:33:28.480
<v Speaker 1>key ones though, Like the strategic nature of a lot

0:33:28.480 --> 0:33:30.880
<v Speaker 1>of their holes, Like it's a blend of the three

0:33:30.920 --> 0:33:33.240
<v Speaker 1>schools of like you know, some holes are going to

0:33:33.320 --> 0:33:36.760
<v Speaker 1>be penal, some holes are heroic, but the vast majority

0:33:36.760 --> 0:33:40.640
<v Speaker 1>of them have strategy. And at your level, the strategy

0:33:41.040 --> 0:33:43.239
<v Speaker 1>doesn't really matter, because we talked about it is like

0:33:43.400 --> 0:33:46.200
<v Speaker 1>you hit it so far that you know you have

0:33:46.320 --> 0:33:48.320
<v Speaker 1>leg in your hand. It doesn't matter what angle you

0:33:48.360 --> 0:33:50.120
<v Speaker 1>have when you have leg in your hand as much.

0:33:50.880 --> 0:33:53.800
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that leads in another question. So if at my

0:33:54.000 --> 0:33:55.800
<v Speaker 2>level the guys hit it too far and they're too

0:33:55.840 --> 0:33:59.200
<v Speaker 2>good for the strategy to matter, I'm confused as to

0:33:59.320 --> 0:34:03.800
<v Speaker 2>like who it's because everyone I play with and whether

0:34:03.920 --> 0:34:07.080
<v Speaker 2>avid like they're not good enough to play strategy, you

0:34:07.120 --> 0:34:09.600
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean? Like, let's let's see, I read

0:34:09.640 --> 0:34:12.439
<v Speaker 2>this like stuff, and I'm like, even my buddy who's

0:34:12.440 --> 0:34:14.840
<v Speaker 2>like a tent who's like a good player, like he

0:34:14.840 --> 0:34:16.640
<v Speaker 2>can't hit it down the left or the right side

0:34:16.640 --> 0:34:18.120
<v Speaker 2>of the fairway. He's just trying to hit it in

0:34:18.160 --> 0:34:20.600
<v Speaker 2>the faraway, like anywhere in the fairway, even if it's

0:34:20.640 --> 0:34:24.319
<v Speaker 2>a huge faaraway. So I'm confused as to like who

0:34:25.160 --> 0:34:28.960
<v Speaker 2>the whole like the whole like you know, you know,

0:34:29.080 --> 0:34:32.200
<v Speaker 2>cottage industry around this stuff is like for what like

0:34:32.239 --> 0:34:35.720
<v Speaker 2>a high level midamateter. I'm just confused who's like taking

0:34:35.760 --> 0:34:36.399
<v Speaker 2>this stuff like.

0:34:37.080 --> 0:34:40.920
<v Speaker 1>It's actually like a fascinating thing. Is so like here's

0:34:40.960 --> 0:34:43.960
<v Speaker 1>a here's something. What about a lady? Like what about

0:34:43.960 --> 0:34:46.520
<v Speaker 1>your aunt probably has the ball on a string but

0:34:46.600 --> 0:34:51.719
<v Speaker 1>hits it low? Yeah, that or a senior player strategy

0:34:51.840 --> 0:34:54.040
<v Speaker 1>is like paramount to them. Like I can tell my

0:34:54.160 --> 0:34:56.799
<v Speaker 1>mom isn't she's a I don't know, probably like a

0:34:57.640 --> 0:35:01.200
<v Speaker 1>probably like an eighteen handicap, but she no, she hits

0:35:01.200 --> 0:35:03.719
<v Speaker 1>at one hundred and fifty yards like And this is

0:35:03.800 --> 0:35:06.120
<v Speaker 1>kind of what bugs me when I get in arguments

0:35:06.160 --> 0:35:10.200
<v Speaker 1>with some like super statistical people. It's like, you know,

0:35:10.320 --> 0:35:13.200
<v Speaker 1>an angle of approach really matters for somebody that can't

0:35:13.239 --> 0:35:15.120
<v Speaker 1>put a ton of spin on the ball or doesn't

0:35:15.160 --> 0:35:16.200
<v Speaker 1>have wedge in their hand.

0:35:16.480 --> 0:35:18.000
<v Speaker 3>Like that's like a perfect example.

0:35:18.000 --> 0:35:20.959
<v Speaker 1>Your buddy who's a ten handicap, if he's got two

0:35:21.040 --> 0:35:24.239
<v Speaker 1>twenty from a disadvantaged angle, he'd be way better off

0:35:24.360 --> 0:35:26.640
<v Speaker 1>just hitting it short left of a green that say,

0:35:26.640 --> 0:35:28.400
<v Speaker 1>he's on the right side of the fairway to a

0:35:28.440 --> 0:35:30.959
<v Speaker 1>green that goes left to right, He'd be way better

0:35:31.000 --> 0:35:32.960
<v Speaker 1>off playing it left and then chipping.

0:35:32.719 --> 0:35:33.800
<v Speaker 3>Up it from there.

0:35:34.080 --> 0:35:34.239
<v Speaker 2>You know.

0:35:35.400 --> 0:35:38.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I understanding when you're in a position to attack

0:35:39.080 --> 0:35:42.360
<v Speaker 1>versus a position where you have really no shot is

0:35:42.560 --> 0:35:44.880
<v Speaker 1>obviously very important for somebody.

0:35:44.680 --> 0:35:48.560
<v Speaker 3>The less skilled you are. Yeah, so you know, and

0:35:48.600 --> 0:35:49.040
<v Speaker 3>you can.

0:35:48.960 --> 0:35:51.799
<v Speaker 1>Try and like listen, like, I think this is a

0:35:51.920 --> 0:35:55.000
<v Speaker 1>misconception too. If people think like I'm saying, like, hey,

0:35:55.360 --> 0:35:58.040
<v Speaker 1>you need to hit the ball down the left, aim

0:35:58.120 --> 0:35:59.560
<v Speaker 1>down the left edge of the fairway.

0:36:00.360 --> 0:36:02.800
<v Speaker 3>That is not what I've That's not the way I play.

0:36:03.320 --> 0:36:03.440
<v Speaker 2>Is.

0:36:03.480 --> 0:36:05.960
<v Speaker 1>Like what I do is I'll look at it and say, okay,

0:36:06.040 --> 0:36:08.160
<v Speaker 1>Like any I hit the ball three hundred yards, It's

0:36:08.200 --> 0:36:10.080
<v Speaker 1>like I'll look at the hole and say, okay, like

0:36:10.360 --> 0:36:12.600
<v Speaker 1>I should aim down the left center of the fairway

0:36:12.680 --> 0:36:16.120
<v Speaker 1>here because I'd rather be in the left rough than

0:36:16.160 --> 0:36:17.400
<v Speaker 1>the right edge of the fairway.

0:36:18.440 --> 0:36:20.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, now I see what you're saying. You're saying if

0:36:20.800 --> 0:36:22.600
<v Speaker 2>you're not necessarily trying to go there, if you end

0:36:22.680 --> 0:36:24.439
<v Speaker 2>up there, you play accordingly from there.

0:36:25.200 --> 0:36:29.160
<v Speaker 1>It's it's just opening and it gives. So like, here's

0:36:29.200 --> 0:36:31.319
<v Speaker 1>the other aspect that I think. This is what I

0:36:31.320 --> 0:36:34.719
<v Speaker 1>think is the most beautiful thing about golf architecture. Right, So,

0:36:35.080 --> 0:36:37.400
<v Speaker 1>if you would have asked me four years ago before

0:36:37.440 --> 0:36:40.640
<v Speaker 1>I started the frieda Egg like, I played golf for score,

0:36:40.680 --> 0:36:43.719
<v Speaker 1>Like I was trying to compete in state ams. I

0:36:43.760 --> 0:36:46.440
<v Speaker 1>was trying to, you know, get into USGA events. That's

0:36:46.480 --> 0:36:49.560
<v Speaker 1>that's why I played golf like I took it seriously

0:36:50.120 --> 0:36:53.000
<v Speaker 1>since I got you know, I always was interested in

0:36:53.120 --> 0:36:56.000
<v Speaker 1>architecture growing up. I read about it like you know,

0:36:56.160 --> 0:36:59.759
<v Speaker 1>a ton, I'd read books Like once I started this

0:36:59.840 --> 0:37:02.320
<v Speaker 1>and I started writing about architecture, like all of a sudden,

0:37:02.440 --> 0:37:06.360
<v Speaker 1>like why I played the game has completely shifted.

0:37:06.680 --> 0:37:07.680
<v Speaker 3>I don't keep score.

0:37:08.120 --> 0:37:10.719
<v Speaker 1>I have more fun on the golf course than I've

0:37:10.760 --> 0:37:14.120
<v Speaker 1>ever had before in my life, Like I care, I

0:37:14.239 --> 0:37:17.680
<v Speaker 1>like enjoy playing so much more because, like you know,

0:37:17.760 --> 0:37:21.960
<v Speaker 1>what if I shoot eighty three or sixty seven, it

0:37:22.000 --> 0:37:23.080
<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter to me.

0:37:23.640 --> 0:37:24.920
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, I love that.

0:37:25.200 --> 0:37:26.160
<v Speaker 3>And like I go.

0:37:26.080 --> 0:37:29.040
<v Speaker 1>Out there and I enjoy being outside. I enjoy walking,

0:37:29.120 --> 0:37:31.799
<v Speaker 1>I enjoy looking, and I like, you know, like why

0:37:31.800 --> 0:37:34.239
<v Speaker 1>do people go on architectural boat tours when they go

0:37:34.320 --> 0:37:37.680
<v Speaker 1>to Chicago, Like you're learning stuff, You're seeing stuff, and

0:37:37.760 --> 0:37:42.400
<v Speaker 1>like I'm way more observant of what's going on around

0:37:42.440 --> 0:37:45.000
<v Speaker 1>me rather than just what I'm doing. And I think

0:37:45.080 --> 0:37:48.960
<v Speaker 1>that's like the most amazing thing about golf is that, like,

0:37:49.320 --> 0:37:52.440
<v Speaker 1>really for ninety nine percent of the population, And this

0:37:52.480 --> 0:37:54.760
<v Speaker 1>is what I think the one of the American golf's

0:37:54.760 --> 0:37:58.800
<v Speaker 1>biggest problems is is that like you shouldn't care about score,

0:37:59.080 --> 0:38:02.280
<v Speaker 1>You should care about being outside, being with your friends.

0:38:02.320 --> 0:38:05.240
<v Speaker 1>Like I played National Golf Links with a Hickory driver

0:38:05.680 --> 0:38:07.880
<v Speaker 1>and a blot of ball, and I played with guys

0:38:07.920 --> 0:38:10.680
<v Speaker 1>that were in the range of twelve to fifteen handicaps,

0:38:10.920 --> 0:38:14.240
<v Speaker 1>like I played when I played other times at National,

0:38:14.520 --> 0:38:17.360
<v Speaker 1>Like it was like driver wedge everywhere. I'm playing hickory

0:38:17.360 --> 0:38:20.640
<v Speaker 1>and blatta and I'm playing the members teas and I'm

0:38:20.719 --> 0:38:22.840
<v Speaker 1>hitting it into the same spots as these guys. And

0:38:22.840 --> 0:38:26.080
<v Speaker 1>what I noticed most was how much more conversation was

0:38:26.120 --> 0:38:29.480
<v Speaker 1>being had because I wasn't walking sixty yards ahead of them.

0:38:30.200 --> 0:38:32.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's I don't know. That's to me.

0:38:32.800 --> 0:38:36.479
<v Speaker 1>Architecture just adds another facet to the game that makes

0:38:36.520 --> 0:38:38.000
<v Speaker 1>it so much more enjoyable.

0:38:38.840 --> 0:38:42.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I like that, and I like that, don't

0:38:43.080 --> 0:38:46.759
<v Speaker 2>The only other the only other thing that I see

0:38:46.800 --> 0:38:51.799
<v Speaker 2>playing in pro ams, that is, I do think that

0:38:51.920 --> 0:38:56.480
<v Speaker 2>this current generation has not I just see amateurs their

0:38:56.520 --> 0:38:59.000
<v Speaker 2>hole is over when they get in a bunker, Like

0:38:59.040 --> 0:39:02.480
<v Speaker 2>they cannot get out of the bunker. And that's one

0:39:02.480 --> 0:39:04.640
<v Speaker 2>thing that I think, like you know, the Fasio and

0:39:04.640 --> 0:39:07.719
<v Speaker 2>the Nicholas courses with car paths and neighborhoods and deep

0:39:07.719 --> 0:39:10.680
<v Speaker 2>bunkers and you know, all this stuff that's really kind

0:39:10.680 --> 0:39:14.760
<v Speaker 2>of proving to be you know, unsustainable or expensive. We're both,

0:39:15.600 --> 0:39:18.680
<v Speaker 2>uh this current you know, like I've seen all these

0:39:18.680 --> 0:39:21.480
<v Speaker 2>pictures of a Hopee match club. It looks unbelievable, but like,

0:39:22.200 --> 0:39:23.640
<v Speaker 2>how do people get out of the bunkers?

0:39:24.560 --> 0:39:27.880
<v Speaker 1>See that's a that's a and so like a hoopie

0:39:28.120 --> 0:39:31.480
<v Speaker 1>the the owners like a competitive amateur.

0:39:31.880 --> 0:39:34.280
<v Speaker 3>So like that's another thing you have to keep in mind.

0:39:34.120 --> 0:39:37.160
<v Speaker 1>Is like who's who's the project for It's always Yeah,

0:39:37.200 --> 0:39:40.080
<v Speaker 1>there's so many variables that go into the golf course design.

0:39:40.160 --> 0:39:42.040
<v Speaker 1>And and I think like a lot of times, like

0:39:42.320 --> 0:39:44.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, like a lot of times, you know what

0:39:44.280 --> 0:39:47.200
<v Speaker 1>happened in the in the wrong era is like it

0:39:47.239 --> 0:39:50.040
<v Speaker 1>was like the Hogan effect of golf. Like, you know,

0:39:50.320 --> 0:39:52.960
<v Speaker 1>to a certain extent, these guys don't deserve as much

0:39:53.000 --> 0:39:55.640
<v Speaker 1>flak as like someone like I give them because like

0:39:55.680 --> 0:39:57.920
<v Speaker 1>they were in an era where that was thought to

0:39:57.960 --> 0:40:01.960
<v Speaker 1>be good, right, and like think about like the associated

0:40:02.040 --> 0:40:05.920
<v Speaker 1>penalty of you going into a bunker versus a fifteen handicap.

0:40:07.520 --> 0:40:09.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's you know, that's why I think, like they

0:40:09.760 --> 0:40:12.680
<v Speaker 2>just redid the golf course of my neighborhood, Bobby Jones

0:40:12.760 --> 0:40:17.120
<v Speaker 2>golf Course. Yeah, they took it. I have not played

0:40:17.120 --> 0:40:19.919
<v Speaker 2>it yet. It's literally rained for three straight months since

0:40:19.920 --> 0:40:23.160
<v Speaker 2>it opened. But they took it from nine eighteen holes

0:40:23.200 --> 0:40:25.840
<v Speaker 2>to nine holes. It's a reversible course with like seventy

0:40:25.960 --> 0:40:27.960
<v Speaker 2>tea boxes. And you know they're not like I think,

0:40:27.960 --> 0:40:29.680
<v Speaker 2>they're just a little spot where you can put Tea's

0:40:29.760 --> 0:40:32.480
<v Speaker 2>a lot of them, not necessarily like a define tea box,

0:40:32.520 --> 0:40:35.360
<v Speaker 2>but and it's all fairway and I think that's a

0:40:35.360 --> 0:40:38.040
<v Speaker 2>great idea. A you can keep the ball rolling, you

0:40:38.080 --> 0:40:41.560
<v Speaker 2>can putt, you can chip. But I've walked around it

0:40:42.000 --> 0:40:44.479
<v Speaker 2>and there's not that many bunkers and I'm like, wow,

0:40:44.520 --> 0:40:46.320
<v Speaker 2>people are actually going to be able to like finish

0:40:46.400 --> 0:40:48.920
<v Speaker 2>a hole here, and whether you're playing first four or not,

0:40:49.239 --> 0:40:52.600
<v Speaker 2>people want to finish the hole. And I just play

0:40:52.640 --> 0:40:56.759
<v Speaker 2>with like, I'm just shocked at how many decent golfers,

0:40:56.840 --> 0:40:59.920
<v Speaker 2>avid golfers I play with that. I'm like, poor guy,

0:41:00.120 --> 0:41:02.080
<v Speaker 2>his hole is over, like he got in his bunker

0:41:02.120 --> 0:41:05.279
<v Speaker 2>and his hole is over. And I really think they

0:41:05.280 --> 0:41:07.440
<v Speaker 2>did a good job with this, Bobby Jones here with

0:41:07.520 --> 0:41:10.879
<v Speaker 2>the all fair away and all and not that many

0:41:10.920 --> 0:41:13.000
<v Speaker 2>deep bunkers. So that's cool.

0:41:13.239 --> 0:41:14.040
<v Speaker 3>I wanted to see that.

0:41:14.160 --> 0:41:16.200
<v Speaker 1>I didn't have time the last time I was down

0:41:16.239 --> 0:41:18.920
<v Speaker 1>there to see it. I'm gonna go this spring sometime.

0:41:19.000 --> 0:41:21.839
<v Speaker 2>But the I think that's like I live like five

0:41:21.920 --> 0:41:23.600
<v Speaker 2>hundred yards from there, so hit me up.

0:41:23.880 --> 0:41:27.680
<v Speaker 3>I will. That's the thing though, was like, so like

0:41:27.880 --> 0:41:29.160
<v Speaker 3>if you built a golf.

0:41:28.880 --> 0:41:34.759
<v Speaker 1>Course with minimum bunkers and like really interesting green complexes,

0:41:35.480 --> 0:41:39.160
<v Speaker 1>it's like the perfect thing for a beginner because they

0:41:39.160 --> 0:41:42.640
<v Speaker 1>could use whatever they can duff it around right. And

0:41:42.680 --> 0:41:45.320
<v Speaker 1>then for a good player, like all of a sudden,

0:41:45.400 --> 0:41:48.480
<v Speaker 1>those greens are the defense, and like you have to

0:41:48.520 --> 0:41:51.920
<v Speaker 1>be in the right spots to attack, like you know,

0:41:52.120 --> 0:41:53.919
<v Speaker 1>I'll never forget, Like there was a there's a whole

0:41:54.280 --> 0:41:57.080
<v Speaker 1>San Francisco Golf. I was playing with Zach Blair there

0:41:57.400 --> 0:42:00.719
<v Speaker 1>and it's like the it's the sixteenth hole, right, So

0:42:00.760 --> 0:42:02.879
<v Speaker 1>I challenge the bunker on the right and I get

0:42:02.920 --> 0:42:06.200
<v Speaker 1>around the bunker into the very right edge of the bunk,

0:42:06.480 --> 0:42:08.239
<v Speaker 1>and he hits it up the left. We had never

0:42:08.239 --> 0:42:11.799
<v Speaker 1>seen the course, you know, the green sloped hard left

0:42:11.800 --> 0:42:15.000
<v Speaker 1>to right. He had absolutely no chance from the left

0:42:15.000 --> 0:42:17.759
<v Speaker 1>side to hit the ball within thirty five feet of

0:42:17.800 --> 0:42:19.960
<v Speaker 1>the flag, and he had a wedge in his hand right.

0:42:20.160 --> 0:42:22.680
<v Speaker 1>So that's a perfect example of a hole like the

0:42:22.800 --> 0:42:25.440
<v Speaker 1>fifteen to twenty handicap is gonna have no clue. You know,

0:42:25.480 --> 0:42:28.760
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't matter for them really, But for a good player,

0:42:28.800 --> 0:42:30.279
<v Speaker 1>you have to be up the right and you have

0:42:30.360 --> 0:42:32.520
<v Speaker 1>to take on this bunker to get the angle in.

0:42:32.760 --> 0:42:34.480
<v Speaker 1>And this is one of the things, like I think

0:42:34.560 --> 0:42:38.440
<v Speaker 1>the biggest problem with modern golf is like people complaining

0:42:38.480 --> 0:42:42.120
<v Speaker 1>about greens and saying they're unfair, Like like the greens

0:42:42.160 --> 0:42:45.600
<v Speaker 1>that Mackenzie built Augusta National would never get built today

0:42:45.640 --> 0:42:49.560
<v Speaker 1>because people will say they're unfair, and those are That's

0:42:49.640 --> 0:42:51.000
<v Speaker 1>what makes the golf course.

0:42:52.200 --> 0:42:57.120
<v Speaker 2>I mean, if the if a regular tour event had

0:42:57.160 --> 0:42:59.320
<v Speaker 2>greens and put pins where they put them at the Masters,

0:42:59.440 --> 0:43:04.120
<v Speaker 2>no one would go play. Why they're just so extreme,

0:43:04.120 --> 0:43:06.920
<v Speaker 2>they're so severe. But it's the Masters, so it's awesome.

0:43:07.840 --> 0:43:10.720
<v Speaker 1>See. That's that's what drove me nuts about Trinny Forrest

0:43:10.800 --> 0:43:13.879
<v Speaker 1>is they were moving teas up to take center line

0:43:13.920 --> 0:43:14.960
<v Speaker 1>bunkers out of play.

0:43:15.080 --> 0:43:16.520
<v Speaker 3>They were moving teas up.

0:43:16.520 --> 0:43:21.319
<v Speaker 1>On par threes, so that, like the tour players like

0:43:21.400 --> 0:43:23.799
<v Speaker 1>have an adverse effect to like the idea of having

0:43:23.880 --> 0:43:26.680
<v Speaker 1>to aim away from something to get it close to something.

0:43:27.600 --> 0:43:29.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I hear you. I don't know about the bunkers,

0:43:29.680 --> 0:43:32.440
<v Speaker 2>but I will say that you know this, it's a

0:43:32.960 --> 0:43:36.359
<v Speaker 2>it's a circle with no solution. But the I don't

0:43:36.360 --> 0:43:38.160
<v Speaker 2>know about the bunkering, like I said, but the greens.

0:43:38.600 --> 0:43:41.319
<v Speaker 2>The other thing that nobody thinks about is getting one

0:43:41.360 --> 0:43:43.880
<v Speaker 2>hundred and fifty six guys around the golf course, or

0:43:43.920 --> 0:43:47.000
<v Speaker 2>even one hundred and forty four or even ninety. I

0:43:47.040 --> 0:43:49.239
<v Speaker 2>mean the rounds and the masters take five hours and

0:43:49.280 --> 0:43:53.880
<v Speaker 2>forty minutes because and that's with ninety players, right. So

0:43:54.640 --> 0:43:57.319
<v Speaker 2>I played at Pinehurst in the US Open, and in

0:43:57.360 --> 0:43:59.839
<v Speaker 2>the practice rounds, like whoever it was Orschel or Coop

0:43:59.840 --> 0:44:03.520
<v Speaker 2>to someone was like, look after round one, twelve guyrs

0:44:03.520 --> 0:44:06.120
<v Speaker 2>will be leading the field. And he was right. The

0:44:06.200 --> 0:44:09.560
<v Speaker 2>practice rounds, the greens were really firm, and you could

0:44:09.640 --> 0:44:12.480
<v Speaker 2>stripe every shot and not hit more than twelve greens.

0:44:12.680 --> 0:44:14.520
<v Speaker 2>And we got out there on Thursday and I hit

0:44:14.560 --> 0:44:15.960
<v Speaker 2>it down the middle on the first hole and I

0:44:16.000 --> 0:44:18.120
<v Speaker 2>spun an eight iron back off the green. They had

0:44:18.160 --> 0:44:22.080
<v Speaker 2>watered the green so much and it was disappointing, and

0:44:22.160 --> 0:44:24.800
<v Speaker 2>it was much easier, and Kimer obviously played great and

0:44:24.840 --> 0:44:27.680
<v Speaker 2>shot low scores. But dude, if you leave a firm

0:44:27.760 --> 0:44:30.160
<v Speaker 2>like that, it takes it takes six hours and twenty

0:44:30.200 --> 0:44:33.480
<v Speaker 2>minutes to get around that golf course. Because you're playing

0:44:33.600 --> 0:44:36.600
<v Speaker 2>for a US Open championship in ten million bucks. So

0:44:37.160 --> 0:44:39.160
<v Speaker 2>if you're playing like for funnel your buddies, even if

0:44:39.160 --> 0:44:41.080
<v Speaker 2>you're keeping score and you chip it across a green

0:44:41.120 --> 0:44:43.560
<v Speaker 2>a couple times, it's no big deal. But guys are

0:44:43.600 --> 0:44:46.200
<v Speaker 2>so good and there's so much at stake that if

0:44:46.239 --> 0:44:49.040
<v Speaker 2>you're having to like, you know, not put it off

0:44:49.040 --> 0:44:53.800
<v Speaker 2>the green, it takes forever. And that's a really tough

0:44:53.840 --> 0:44:58.400
<v Speaker 2>thing that professional golf has to deal with that nobody

0:44:58.400 --> 0:45:02.320
<v Speaker 2>ever talks about. Is to make it hard for players

0:45:02.520 --> 0:45:06.320
<v Speaker 2>of the tour level. It's so hard that it takes

0:45:06.440 --> 0:45:09.640
<v Speaker 2>so long to play. It's a problem. There's no solution

0:45:09.800 --> 0:45:12.040
<v Speaker 2>to that. I mean, it's tough, you know.

0:45:12.760 --> 0:45:16.080
<v Speaker 1>So here's something that goes into pace of play that

0:45:16.440 --> 0:45:19.000
<v Speaker 1>tour players and I think the tour never thinks about,

0:45:19.200 --> 0:45:23.560
<v Speaker 1>is the distance that the ball is traveling now is

0:45:23.640 --> 0:45:27.720
<v Speaker 1>also causing pace of play. And look no further than Riviera,

0:45:27.800 --> 0:45:31.439
<v Speaker 1>which is now like an essentially an invitational. The LA Open,

0:45:31.480 --> 0:45:34.320
<v Speaker 1>one of the greatest, most historic events of all time,

0:45:34.640 --> 0:45:38.760
<v Speaker 1>has now been reduced to a limited field, small field

0:45:38.760 --> 0:45:39.880
<v Speaker 1>event because of distance.

0:45:39.960 --> 0:45:42.120
<v Speaker 3>Like now every single player in.

0:45:42.040 --> 0:45:45.640
<v Speaker 1>The field goes for tenant off the tenth t every

0:45:45.680 --> 0:45:49.440
<v Speaker 1>player is waiting on eleven, every player is waiting on seventeen,

0:45:49.840 --> 0:45:52.960
<v Speaker 1>and that adds so much time to the round that

0:45:52.960 --> 0:45:57.120
<v Speaker 1>that's why the young players don't get the opportunity to

0:45:57.120 --> 0:45:58.280
<v Speaker 1>play Riviera as.

0:45:58.200 --> 0:46:00.680
<v Speaker 3>Rookies or so short.

0:46:01.080 --> 0:46:04.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So that's that's another part of the pace of play.

0:46:05.320 --> 0:46:07.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mean that's just a huge it's a

0:46:07.640 --> 0:46:10.799
<v Speaker 2>huge issue that that that day at Sawgrass where the

0:46:10.800 --> 0:46:13.399
<v Speaker 2>greens turned like eighteen on the spin meter, took six

0:46:13.440 --> 0:46:16.920
<v Speaker 2>hours to play those rounds. You know, it's like, okay,

0:46:17.239 --> 0:46:19.640
<v Speaker 2>so that was probably a little bit much. But like, well,

0:46:19.760 --> 0:46:21.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, when you're talking about this conversation about like,

0:46:21.960 --> 0:46:24.319
<v Speaker 2>well do you do golf Nascia, Now do you make

0:46:24.360 --> 0:46:28.320
<v Speaker 2>the greens faster? Do you? You know, Augustus protected themselves

0:46:28.320 --> 0:46:31.759
<v Speaker 2>with really severe greens and really tough pin placements and

0:46:31.800 --> 0:46:34.839
<v Speaker 2>the rounds take a long time. You know what, what.

0:46:34.840 --> 0:46:41.240
<v Speaker 1>About slower greens with with more interesting pins, more.

0:46:41.160 --> 0:46:44.279
<v Speaker 2>Severe That's what That's what hinnacok was really good this

0:46:44.680 --> 0:46:48.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, this summer, I only played Thursday Friday, played

0:46:48.080 --> 0:46:52.279
<v Speaker 2>pretty well, missed the cup by won whatever. But you know,

0:46:52.400 --> 0:46:54.600
<v Speaker 2>the greens were like nine or ten on the stamp,

0:46:55.080 --> 0:46:58.280
<v Speaker 2>and it was windy and they had some tough pins

0:46:58.600 --> 0:47:01.480
<v Speaker 2>and it was all good, you know, and then they

0:47:01.600 --> 0:47:04.160
<v Speaker 2>just put two pins too close, which you know was

0:47:04.239 --> 0:47:07.920
<v Speaker 2>a whole another story. But but yeah, you know, that's

0:47:08.000 --> 0:47:10.040
<v Speaker 2>like what Sheen said. The whole thing about golf course

0:47:10.080 --> 0:47:12.399
<v Speaker 2>conditioning has gotten out of control, you know. I mean

0:47:12.880 --> 0:47:15.719
<v Speaker 2>that's why I played two British Opens and to me,

0:47:16.440 --> 0:47:18.600
<v Speaker 2>they just hit a home. It's a ten out of

0:47:18.600 --> 0:47:21.359
<v Speaker 2>ten over there. You know. I played at Birkdale, which is,

0:47:21.560 --> 0:47:23.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, one of the two or three best tournament

0:47:23.360 --> 0:47:28.000
<v Speaker 2>courses I've ever played. It was so awesome and Harrington

0:47:28.040 --> 0:47:31.680
<v Speaker 2>won their ten years before at three over par and

0:47:32.080 --> 0:47:34.920
<v Speaker 2>Stayden Fooch. You know, it was pretty like, you know,

0:47:35.040 --> 0:47:38.160
<v Speaker 2>crappy on like Thursday for a while. Otherwise the weather

0:47:38.280 --> 0:47:42.000
<v Speaker 2>was pretty good. Got to like and you know what cared.

0:47:42.360 --> 0:47:44.719
<v Speaker 2>They didn't move the pins and they didn't speak the

0:47:44.760 --> 0:47:46.680
<v Speaker 2>greens up, and they didn't bring in the rough or

0:47:46.719 --> 0:47:49.200
<v Speaker 2>move it out, like the course is just the course

0:47:49.440 --> 0:47:53.720
<v Speaker 2>and you just go play. And I think that's pretty awesome.

0:47:54.680 --> 0:47:58.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's that's I think that's one of the biggest problems.

0:47:58.480 --> 0:48:02.440
<v Speaker 1>And it's partially like from Augusta but like in the

0:48:02.560 --> 0:48:06.120
<v Speaker 1>agronomics like have just gotten better. But to me, I

0:48:06.400 --> 0:48:08.719
<v Speaker 1>don't know how you think about this, but I think

0:48:08.760 --> 0:48:13.920
<v Speaker 1>the slow greens actually enhanced the skill of putters, Like

0:48:13.960 --> 0:48:16.600
<v Speaker 1>the better cutters put better on slower greens.

0:48:16.680 --> 0:48:19.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I agree with you on the putting. The best

0:48:19.440 --> 0:48:21.640
<v Speaker 2>putters put the best strike on it. And a lot

0:48:21.640 --> 0:48:24.640
<v Speaker 2>of those guys grew up on really slow greens, you know,

0:48:24.719 --> 0:48:27.160
<v Speaker 2>like Russell Henley grew up in like Bermuda, you know,

0:48:27.239 --> 0:48:30.480
<v Speaker 2>South Georgia and like just puts the most beautiful like

0:48:30.560 --> 0:48:33.520
<v Speaker 2>strike on his putts. And I don't know what kind

0:48:33.520 --> 0:48:36.440
<v Speaker 2>of greens Ricky grew up on, but that, like, you know,

0:48:36.520 --> 0:48:38.799
<v Speaker 2>the hit he puts on putts is just unbelievable.

0:48:38.880 --> 0:48:42.040
<v Speaker 3>I don't think he grew up on a MUNI I think.

0:48:41.880 --> 0:48:47.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, and yeah, it's uh, I agree with you.

0:48:48.520 --> 0:48:51.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So slower greens, more interesting pens. You know, we're

0:48:51.640 --> 0:48:53.200
<v Speaker 1>just fixing all of golf problems.

0:48:54.000 --> 0:48:57.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just it's like whackable, you know, like you

0:48:58.040 --> 0:49:00.080
<v Speaker 2>just fix one problem and you have another, you know.

0:49:00.160 --> 0:49:02.480
<v Speaker 2>Like I wasn't at Trinity Forest, which we talked about,

0:49:02.520 --> 0:49:04.480
<v Speaker 2>and I think maybe it was you or someone that

0:49:04.600 --> 0:49:06.120
<v Speaker 2>was like, you know, they made it soft and like

0:49:06.160 --> 0:49:08.719
<v Speaker 2>it didn't play hard and fast and like and they

0:49:08.800 --> 0:49:11.320
<v Speaker 2>put the pin. It's like you start putting those pins

0:49:11.320 --> 0:49:14.720
<v Speaker 2>three off the runoffs and you're paying you can't finish.

0:49:14.840 --> 0:49:18.360
<v Speaker 2>It takes five hours and fifty minutes for a for

0:49:18.440 --> 0:49:21.400
<v Speaker 2>a tour guy that has to put everything out. You know,

0:49:22.000 --> 0:49:24.000
<v Speaker 2>you can't just like whack it up the slope twice

0:49:24.000 --> 0:49:27.440
<v Speaker 2>and then pick up. It's a totally different deal. Tournament

0:49:27.480 --> 0:49:30.359
<v Speaker 2>golf is so different. It's tough, man, it's tough. It's

0:49:30.400 --> 0:49:35.399
<v Speaker 2>tough to set it up. And so how do you.

0:49:35.520 --> 0:49:40.920
<v Speaker 1>How do fifteen handicaps get around trinity forrest in firmer

0:49:41.160 --> 0:49:45.920
<v Speaker 1>and faster conditions get around it in less than four hours?

0:49:46.320 --> 0:49:49.479
<v Speaker 1>And PGA Tour players can't get around it in less

0:49:49.480 --> 0:49:50.719
<v Speaker 1>than five and a half.

0:49:51.080 --> 0:49:53.840
<v Speaker 2>Whether they pick up or they just putt and it

0:49:53.840 --> 0:49:56.279
<v Speaker 2>doesn't matter. They just play fast because it doesn't matter.

0:49:58.800 --> 0:49:59.279
<v Speaker 3>Isn't pay?

0:49:59.400 --> 0:50:02.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean, like, what do you think about pace of

0:50:02.440 --> 0:50:05.640
<v Speaker 1>play on the tour? Like the fact that it's actually

0:50:05.680 --> 0:50:09.160
<v Speaker 1>not enforced. The rule in golf isn't enforced.

0:50:10.000 --> 0:50:12.360
<v Speaker 2>I think pace of play on tour is talked about

0:50:12.400 --> 0:50:14.000
<v Speaker 2>more than it needs to be because I think if

0:50:14.000 --> 0:50:16.879
<v Speaker 2>you came out on a weekend where you were playing twosomes, yeah,

0:50:16.920 --> 0:50:18.600
<v Speaker 2>I think it'd be shocked at how fast the pace

0:50:18.600 --> 0:50:18.919
<v Speaker 2>of play.

0:50:18.960 --> 0:50:21.560
<v Speaker 3>It's like four hours in twosomes on weekends.

0:50:21.920 --> 0:50:24.800
<v Speaker 2>But like, yeah, that's pretty good on a hard golf course.

0:50:25.120 --> 0:50:27.640
<v Speaker 1>But like, why aren't players penalized when they take like

0:50:27.719 --> 0:50:28.680
<v Speaker 1>three minutes to hit a.

0:50:28.600 --> 0:50:31.920
<v Speaker 2>Shot, and I just don't think it happens that often,

0:50:32.120 --> 0:50:34.880
<v Speaker 2>so they're not really like, you know, there's you know

0:50:34.960 --> 0:50:37.440
<v Speaker 2>the whole like JB in the middle of eighteen faaraway.

0:50:37.480 --> 0:50:39.439
<v Speaker 2>Why do we talk about that because it's a rare thing.

0:50:39.680 --> 0:50:40.880
<v Speaker 2>You don't see that very often.

0:50:41.360 --> 0:50:44.320
<v Speaker 1>So, so, like there's a rule in golf that says

0:50:44.360 --> 0:50:47.919
<v Speaker 1>you have X amount of time to hit a shot, right, right,

0:50:48.480 --> 0:50:50.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what the exact number is, but there's

0:50:50.600 --> 0:50:53.399
<v Speaker 1>a rule that says that. So like in essence, that's

0:50:53.440 --> 0:50:56.799
<v Speaker 1>a shot clock. Like what if the NBA turned off

0:50:56.840 --> 0:51:03.279
<v Speaker 1>the shot clock, like you'd see a lot longer possessions, right, So,

0:51:03.440 --> 0:51:07.560
<v Speaker 1>like what if they enforce the rule, the rounds won't

0:51:07.600 --> 0:51:10.520
<v Speaker 1>take six six hours like that, that's a that's a

0:51:10.840 --> 0:51:13.560
<v Speaker 1>strict problem of like you know, the players will get

0:51:13.560 --> 0:51:16.120
<v Speaker 1>mad and the tour won't do it because the players

0:51:16.160 --> 0:51:19.280
<v Speaker 1>will get bad. But that's a rule that just isn't enforced,

0:51:20.040 --> 0:51:22.120
<v Speaker 1>and the players know that it's not going to be enforced.

0:51:22.120 --> 0:51:23.800
<v Speaker 3>That's why it takes five and a half hours.

0:51:24.960 --> 0:51:26.800
<v Speaker 2>Do you think because guys take more than forty seconds

0:51:26.840 --> 0:51:28.399
<v Speaker 2>to hit shot that's why you think it takes five

0:51:28.440 --> 0:51:29.120
<v Speaker 2>and a half hours.

0:51:29.200 --> 0:51:30.920
<v Speaker 1>I think it's one of them, like look at look

0:51:30.960 --> 0:51:33.120
<v Speaker 1>at it, Like, uh, I don't think so. I mean

0:51:33.160 --> 0:51:38.319
<v Speaker 1>Patrick Cantley. You know they people sat and counted how

0:51:38.320 --> 0:51:40.399
<v Speaker 1>long it took it he stood stood over the ball

0:51:41.160 --> 0:51:44.279
<v Speaker 1>after his preshot routine for thirty to forty seconds for

0:51:44.320 --> 0:51:47.799
<v Speaker 1>an entire round, you know. Like that's yeah, that's that's

0:51:47.800 --> 0:51:49.919
<v Speaker 1>like a two to three minute shot. Like I think

0:51:49.960 --> 0:51:54.960
<v Speaker 1>the combination of distance. If if players just took if

0:51:55.000 --> 0:51:58.640
<v Speaker 1>they don't have to wait, you know, the one thing's waiting, right,

0:51:58.960 --> 0:52:01.680
<v Speaker 1>But like if the if they took the amount the

0:52:01.920 --> 0:52:06.160
<v Speaker 1>allotted amount of time, you know, it would speed up

0:52:06.160 --> 0:52:09.200
<v Speaker 1>the rounds immensely. It's like traffic jam, right.

0:52:09.760 --> 0:52:12.000
<v Speaker 2>It wouldn't though, because there's one hundred and fifty six

0:52:12.080 --> 0:52:14.120
<v Speaker 2>guys with just too many people on a golf course.

0:52:15.400 --> 0:52:17.480
<v Speaker 2>You would just you would just play faster to wait more.

0:52:17.560 --> 0:52:18.319
<v Speaker 2>That's all you would do.

0:52:19.400 --> 0:52:22.359
<v Speaker 1>That's interesting, But that that goes to like if it's

0:52:22.440 --> 0:52:25.759
<v Speaker 1>properly yeah, I guess like yeah, because you can't fit

0:52:26.920 --> 0:52:28.480
<v Speaker 1>all right, I'll agree, you're.

0:52:28.480 --> 0:52:30.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm field size.

0:52:30.480 --> 0:52:33.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like field size that's a big problem. And yeah,

0:52:33.640 --> 0:52:35.759
<v Speaker 3>because like fifteen minute per hole.

0:52:35.840 --> 0:52:37.680
<v Speaker 1>So it was if the tea times were blocked out

0:52:37.760 --> 0:52:40.880
<v Speaker 1>fifteen minutes, then you wouldn't have a problem. But then

0:52:40.880 --> 0:52:43.840
<v Speaker 1>you couldn't get one hundred and fifty six guys around right.

0:52:43.680 --> 0:52:45.759
<v Speaker 2>Now, you're playing one to twenty fields and that's not

0:52:46.040 --> 0:52:49.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, so field size is a huge issue. It's

0:52:49.840 --> 0:52:51.680
<v Speaker 2>it's a simple reason why you play five and a

0:52:51.719 --> 0:52:54.640
<v Speaker 2>half hours Thursday Friday, you tee it up Saturday morning

0:52:54.840 --> 0:52:57.000
<v Speaker 2>with one less guy. It's twosomes and you play in

0:52:57.080 --> 0:53:02.080
<v Speaker 2>three fifty. Yeah, it's I mean, sure there's some slow guys,

0:53:02.160 --> 0:53:04.920
<v Speaker 2>but man, it's hard golf courses and it's a lot

0:53:04.960 --> 0:53:06.759
<v Speaker 2>of dudes. It's really the problem.

0:53:06.920 --> 0:53:10.279
<v Speaker 1>It's it's because the and to a certain extent, they're

0:53:10.320 --> 0:53:14.280
<v Speaker 1>doctoring the courses to control the scoring.

0:53:16.920 --> 0:53:19.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, I mean the courses are really hard. That's

0:53:19.120 --> 0:53:21.960
<v Speaker 2>a big that's a big, huge misconception on the tour

0:53:21.960 --> 0:53:24.239
<v Speaker 2>because you flip on Golf Channel on Thursday at two

0:53:24.239 --> 0:53:25.839
<v Speaker 2>in the afternoon and you're like, oh, so we shot

0:53:25.840 --> 0:53:28.680
<v Speaker 2>eight hundred this morning. Yeah they did, But the golf

0:53:28.719 --> 0:53:32.680
<v Speaker 2>courses are really hard, and that's you know, takes a

0:53:32.719 --> 0:53:33.960
<v Speaker 2>while to play a hard golf course.

0:53:34.680 --> 0:53:36.719
<v Speaker 3>So all right, I keep saying.

0:53:36.800 --> 0:53:39.080
<v Speaker 1>Last question if you were the commissioner for a day,

0:53:39.480 --> 0:53:41.320
<v Speaker 1>was like one change you make to the tour?

0:53:43.600 --> 0:53:57.439
<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, I think that I don't know, I don't

0:53:57.480 --> 0:54:09.120
<v Speaker 2>know one change, goodness, I would probably say that I

0:54:09.120 --> 0:54:11.759
<v Speaker 2>would probably just shorten the season by five weeks. That's

0:54:11.800 --> 0:54:13.000
<v Speaker 2>the only thing that would change.

0:54:13.880 --> 0:54:16.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, have a little more of an off season.

0:54:17.440 --> 0:54:20.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think I think nine. I think nine months

0:54:20.280 --> 0:54:24.799
<v Speaker 2>is a good sports season, you know. Yeah, I think

0:54:24.840 --> 0:54:29.319
<v Speaker 2>eleven is you know right now where it basically what

0:54:29.480 --> 0:54:32.040
<v Speaker 2>a six week you know, off season. I think it's

0:54:32.200 --> 0:54:35.080
<v Speaker 2>I think ten ten weeks off would probably be. I

0:54:35.080 --> 0:54:37.799
<v Speaker 2>think nine months is probably good, you know. But hey,

0:54:37.840 --> 0:54:39.520
<v Speaker 2>we're shortening it a little bit as far as like

0:54:39.560 --> 0:54:41.279
<v Speaker 2>the fed X and then it just started earlier. So

0:54:41.360 --> 0:54:44.800
<v Speaker 2>not really, but you know, I supposedly, like in nineteen

0:54:44.920 --> 0:54:47.040
<v Speaker 2>seventy eight there was forty eight events, so this isn't

0:54:47.040 --> 0:54:49.680
<v Speaker 2>anything new. It's not like we're adding events. It's always

0:54:49.680 --> 0:54:52.400
<v Speaker 2>been this way. That would be my one change.

0:54:52.160 --> 0:54:55.279
<v Speaker 1>All right, the last one. One event that you have

0:54:55.400 --> 0:54:58.680
<v Speaker 1>never played in worldwide. It could be that you want

0:54:58.719 --> 0:54:59.239
<v Speaker 1>to play in.

0:55:01.480 --> 0:55:05.960
<v Speaker 2>I would love to play in. I don't have to

0:55:05.960 --> 0:55:08.680
<v Speaker 2>play in the match play. The tour events I've not

0:55:08.719 --> 0:55:11.520
<v Speaker 2>played is just the match play in Kapalua, and I'd

0:55:11.520 --> 0:55:12.920
<v Speaker 2>love to play the match play. I haven't played a

0:55:12.960 --> 0:55:15.040
<v Speaker 2>lot of it, and I just think it'd be awesome.

0:55:16.200 --> 0:55:17.840
<v Speaker 2>But the one tournament I'd want to go back and

0:55:17.840 --> 0:55:20.360
<v Speaker 2>play again is the US Amateur. For some reason, I

0:55:20.400 --> 0:55:22.960
<v Speaker 2>played in two of them, and that tournament, to me,

0:55:23.040 --> 0:55:25.400
<v Speaker 2>I'd like if I had to just go back and

0:55:25.440 --> 0:55:27.359
<v Speaker 2>play one more tournament and get one more crack at

0:55:27.360 --> 0:55:29.279
<v Speaker 2>it, it would be that one I get another match play one.

0:55:29.360 --> 0:55:32.400
<v Speaker 2>So maybe I'm you know, making an endorsement there.

0:55:32.360 --> 0:55:33.600
<v Speaker 3>Hey, match play.

0:55:33.760 --> 0:55:36.360
<v Speaker 1>John Pearson's going to be teeing up in the usam

0:55:36.400 --> 0:55:42.359
<v Speaker 1>in like two years. Oh boy, him and me, we're

0:55:42.400 --> 0:55:47.839
<v Speaker 1>the same. Oh boy, So you know you could still

0:55:47.840 --> 0:55:49.680
<v Speaker 1>probably play in the us am You should just call

0:55:49.719 --> 0:55:50.600
<v Speaker 1>off the USGA.

0:55:51.920 --> 0:55:55.200
<v Speaker 2>Peterson what he played on the team with my brother

0:55:55.239 --> 0:55:56.720
<v Speaker 2>at LSU. He's special.

0:55:57.200 --> 0:56:02.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah that's something. So that's but hey, thanks for the time.

0:56:02.520 --> 0:56:05.040
<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of people have a new guy

0:56:05.080 --> 0:56:08.120
<v Speaker 1>to root for on tour and we'll be, Uh, where

0:56:08.239 --> 0:56:09.040
<v Speaker 1>do you kick off at?

0:56:09.080 --> 0:56:12.680
<v Speaker 2>Sony No, I'm going to Palm Springs.

0:56:12.320 --> 0:56:17.440
<v Speaker 1>Palm Springs, all right, the Hope, Yeah, it's a five rounder.

0:56:18.560 --> 0:56:20.719
<v Speaker 2>The Desert nobody. I haven't seen any of you golf

0:56:20.800 --> 0:56:23.720
<v Speaker 2>junkies do a do a good list of what tour

0:56:23.760 --> 0:56:26.560
<v Speaker 2>guys call the tournaments, which I think is hysterical. When

0:56:26.560 --> 0:56:28.080
<v Speaker 2>you're a rookie, you have to figure out where the

0:56:28.080 --> 0:56:30.879
<v Speaker 2>hell everyone's playing because you're in the locker room. It's like, well,

0:56:30.880 --> 0:56:33.480
<v Speaker 2>you planning coming up, They're like, oh, I'm doing the Desert.

0:56:33.520 --> 0:56:36.040
<v Speaker 2>And then riv you know, like just the alternate names

0:56:36.040 --> 0:56:38.960
<v Speaker 2>that all the tournaments have a great in my opinion.

0:56:39.239 --> 0:56:42.000
<v Speaker 3>What's what's the what's the at and t you called?

0:56:43.719 --> 0:56:45.799
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think if you're a real og you call

0:56:45.840 --> 0:56:47.920
<v Speaker 2>it the clam bake, but now they just call it pebble.

0:56:48.200 --> 0:56:49.360
<v Speaker 2>Everyone just called it pebble.

0:56:49.960 --> 0:56:51.720
<v Speaker 3>Harbor Town's harbor Town, right.

0:56:52.800 --> 0:56:55.719
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, harbor Town. And then the Desert, to me

0:56:55.800 --> 0:56:58.719
<v Speaker 2>is one of the real real tour lingo. Once you're

0:56:58.719 --> 0:57:00.000
<v Speaker 2>playing the Desert, you'll be the Desert.

0:57:00.160 --> 0:57:01.120
<v Speaker 3>What's Scottsdale?

0:57:02.480 --> 0:57:06.320
<v Speaker 2>Uh, Phoenix, Phoenix, Phoenix?

0:57:06.400 --> 0:57:09.560
<v Speaker 3>What about Sony Sony Sony?

0:57:09.760 --> 0:57:11.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, in that way for a long time.

0:57:11.600 --> 0:57:14.960
<v Speaker 1>So it's kind of interesting, Like the best I've always

0:57:15.000 --> 0:57:20.280
<v Speaker 1>said this actually is the best courses. The the the

0:57:20.400 --> 0:57:23.480
<v Speaker 1>lingo for the core for the tournament is the course same.

0:57:24.560 --> 0:57:32.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, like Honda is Honda, Memorial is Memorial Jack

0:57:32.480 --> 0:57:36.520
<v Speaker 2>or Jack's Tournament, Yeah, Memorial Ay Hill. Yeah, there's some

0:57:36.560 --> 0:57:37.920
<v Speaker 2>there's some good ones I'm not thinking of.

0:57:38.120 --> 0:57:40.480
<v Speaker 3>But what about like Valero.

0:57:44.320 --> 0:57:50.040
<v Speaker 2>I think that one's mostly San Antonio. Houston was always Houston. Yeah,

0:57:50.160 --> 0:57:52.560
<v Speaker 2>most of the time, it's the city, but for some reason,

0:57:52.640 --> 0:57:55.520
<v Speaker 2>sometimes it's the sponsor. I don't know why they.

0:57:55.600 --> 0:57:58.040
<v Speaker 1>You got Detroit and you got many you got two

0:57:58.160 --> 0:58:00.520
<v Speaker 1>new ones. I'm curious with those are going to be

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<v Speaker 1>called probably just the city. That Detroit course is gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be cool.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not looking forward to both of those.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a dream up there in the summer of those places.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what boggles my mind is how often the tour

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<v Speaker 1>goes to places like the worst time to go to them,

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<v Speaker 1>like like this, like this Memphis event in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>in the in the end of July.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that is a it's a head scratcher there because

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<v Speaker 2>apparently the you know, FedEx like really wanted to upgrade

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<v Speaker 2>their tournament. You know, they love Memphis, they love Saint Jude,

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<v Speaker 2>which is understandable, but it's you know, it remains to

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<v Speaker 2>be seen with how jam packed. The schedule is basically

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<v Speaker 2>from like Augusta through the Tour Championship where the top

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<v Speaker 2>players like maybe sneak a week off and but it

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<v Speaker 2>goes straight from the British to the you know, four

0:58:47.080 --> 0:58:49.520
<v Speaker 2>hundred degree heat of Memphis, nor.

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<v Speaker 1>Northern Ireland to UH Royal part Rush to to TPC

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<v Speaker 1>south Wind in July.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that tournament. That's a sneaky like tournament. People

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<v Speaker 2>are like, what are your favorites? Memphis is a great tournament.

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<v Speaker 2>The course is really cool, and the people are so nice,

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<v Speaker 2>and the Saint Jude factor is you know, makes it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really a great tournament. So hopefully they get there.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, all top fifty or whatever play there.

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<v Speaker 1>It's fascinating, you know. Uh, I'm a huge NBA fan

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<v Speaker 1>and uh nice. All the NBA writers and people are

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<v Speaker 1>always talking about how they love going to Memphis. Like

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<v Speaker 1>when Memphis was good with with Gasol, Marc Gasol and

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<v Speaker 1>and Zebo, they were all everybody was like so excited

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<v Speaker 1>that the playoff series were in Memphis, like because they

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's interesting that you're like, you know, you confirm

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<v Speaker 1>that Memphis is a good spot, so all right. Well, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for the time. We'll keep in touch. Maybe we'll

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<v Speaker 1>get you on another in mid season or something.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, cool, have a going all right, thanks man,