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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Frida Egg Podcast. Here's part two

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Speaker 1: of our podcast with Roberto Castro. If you miss part one,

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Speaker 1: check it out and enjoy.

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Speaker 2: I miss a green. For example, I'm already upset when

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Speaker 2: I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset.

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Speaker 3: And when I find my.

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Speaker 2: Ball in a brid egg, Frida egg, the dreaded Frida egg,

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Speaker 2: Frida egg, fridagg Frida egg, bride egg, lie, I'm about

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Speaker 2: ready to run off with the hump.

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Speaker 1: So, uh, how do you go about setting up your schedule?

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Speaker 1: You know, this year you're you're coming in with websites,

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Speaker 1: so it's a little bit different than when you're you know,

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Speaker 1: you've kept your card and your and you've got full

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Speaker 1: status on on tour.

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Speaker 3: How how how do you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I've done a terrible job of scheduling

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Speaker 2: for most of my career. So I'm learning learning to

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Speaker 2: do that, maybe at a very late stage in my career,

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Speaker 2: but yeah, I'm pretty much just taking a chunk at

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Speaker 2: a time, So like West Coast and then Florida Swing

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Speaker 2: and then summer, see what I get into, see what

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Speaker 2: I don't. But you know, I got two little ones

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Speaker 2: at home, so the days of hauling off for you know,

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Speaker 2: five six weeks in a row are over. But I

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Speaker 2: think it's gonna help me because I think the biggest, dumbest,

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Speaker 2: some of the dumbest things I've done is, you know,

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Speaker 2: play too much and kind of chase it and just

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Speaker 2: think about it the wrong way. So you know, I'm

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Speaker 2: hoping to play like twenty times this year, and you

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Speaker 2: know I kind of did that last year. I was like,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to play X number of tournaments and I

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Speaker 2: need to get to you know, a certain dollar amount

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Speaker 2: to do this or and if I don't, I don't

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Speaker 2: like That's that's the Uh, that's the crux of it,

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Speaker 2: not whether I played enough. I'm not going to look

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Speaker 2: back on the year and be like I should have

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Speaker 2: played two more. It's like, no, you should have played better.

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Speaker 2: If I if I don't, accomplis what I want to accomplish.

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Speaker 2: So it's it's helped me. I think it's going to

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Speaker 2: help me, you know, really make the most of every week.

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Speaker 2: It's my my coach John Tillery said the funniest thing

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Speaker 2: to him is going to tour events and guys coming

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Speaker 2: into lunch on Thursday and it's like, how do you

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Speaker 2: do one over one under, Like they just think it's

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Speaker 2: another week where you're playing for seven million dollars and

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Speaker 2: those aren't like the best players. The best players like

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Speaker 2: look at every week is a huge opportunity to win,

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Speaker 2: and they you know, they have such like a high

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Speaker 2: energy level every week. But it's like you've become totally

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Speaker 2: desympitized that. You know, if you took a kid out

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Speaker 2: of college and you're like, hey, I'm going to give

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Speaker 2: you a spot at whatever Houston Open playing for seven million,

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Speaker 2: the kid's going to build like his whole month for

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Speaker 2: two months around the one week where he can play

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Speaker 2: for seven million. But you get on tour and you

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Speaker 2: just like totally become you know, you lose that, you

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Speaker 2: lose the focus. That's happened to me a lot. So

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to do better with the scheduling.

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Speaker 1: It's it's like a fascinating aspect of it is you

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Speaker 1: know I get into that with work, like I you know,

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Speaker 1: I worked so many hours on this stuff that like

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Speaker 1: I just got up. I had a break and you

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Speaker 1: know now I feel like rejuvenated and it feels like good.

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Speaker 1: And it's like the same thing you get into with

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Speaker 1: golf is is if you if it's there every day

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Speaker 1: and you you know it, it doesn't you lose a

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Speaker 1: little bit of that, you know, the specialness of it.

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Speaker 3: It's that's a that's a.

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Speaker 1: Great point because like when you're in an amateur level,

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Speaker 1: you know, which is where everybody's coming from. There's only

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Speaker 1: like ten to twelve really big tournaments in a you know,

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Speaker 1: in a summer or a year, right, and those are

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Speaker 1: the ones you gear up for.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, managing your excitement and your energy level is

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Speaker 2: a challenge out there. Wait, because hey, every week is

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Speaker 2: a good opportunity.

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Speaker 1: You haven't always been with John Tillery. You you switched

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Speaker 1: to him recently, right or in the last.

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Speaker 2: Four years four and a half years ago? Okay, go ahead.

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Speaker 1: So was it like making swing changes or changes like

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Speaker 1: that when you're at the PGA tour level.

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Speaker 2: That's a good question. You know, I never like rebuilt

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Speaker 2: So when I went to John, it was just a

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Speaker 2: different lesson. And you know, I mean it's been great,

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Speaker 2: been great working with him, but it was never like, Buddy,

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Speaker 2: you got to you know, you got to go on

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Speaker 2: The I played at Pinehurst the US Open, and I

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Speaker 2: just hit it so bad. I mean I couldn't with

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Speaker 2: but I was all over the map. And the next

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Speaker 2: and then I went to congression all the following week

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Speaker 2: and I finished like thirtieth, you know, So like I

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Speaker 2: went from not hitting it, hitting it terrible, to like

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Speaker 2: but that you know, maybe that's just in my experience.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think It's uh, it's interesting. It's like, once

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Speaker 1: you reach a certain level, you're so talented. You guys

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Speaker 3: If you made it to the PGA Tour, right, what's it?

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Speaker 1: What's more frustrating playing like that week you played at

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Speaker 1: Pinehurst where you couldn't hit you know, couldn't even hit

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Speaker 2: I've had plenty of those two. That's way more frustrating

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Speaker 2: to hit a good and pop bad. Yeah, way more frustrating.

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Speaker 3: I agree with that too.

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Speaker 1: It's uh, so you've your dad is from Peru and

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Speaker 1: your mom's from Costa Rica, which is the other way.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, my mom's PERUVI and my dad's my bad.

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Speaker 1: I've got a mild form of dyslexia, I think self diagnosed.

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Speaker 1: So you know it's it's you've got, you know, two

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Speaker 1: Both your brothers played college golf, like was your were

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Speaker 3: Like where this golfing gene come from.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good question, myke. It's all my mom's side of

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Speaker 2: And that's all on my mom's side of the family.

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Speaker 2: But really my neither of my parents played. But my

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Speaker 2: And now that I have two little kids, like it's

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Speaker 2: I played nine holes with them a couple of weeks

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Speaker 2: it takes a environment. It's a huge thing. And golf

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Speaker 2: You know, like my coach that I mentioned before, Jeff Patten,

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Speaker 2: and for me, my family background was one of those.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's because you it's almost like you learned. It's

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Speaker 1: like when say, like my dad tells me to do

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Speaker 1: something when I'm a kid, like you don't always they're

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Speaker 1: always telling you stuff to do, but like have that outside,

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Speaker 1: outside influence I can imagine is like so much more

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's uh, it's huge. I mean that's why

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Speaker 2: you can improve a lot in college. You know, you

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Speaker 2: like Hillary said that, you know, the research shows like

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Speaker 2: you either need like proximity or like a parents, Like

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Speaker 2: he was getting his PhD, and I was like, what

432
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Speaker 2: do you do with this job? Like what are you

433
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 2: going to do with this stuff we're learning? And he's like, well,

434
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,399
Speaker 2: you can make a model of like whether it's you know,

435
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:23,359
Speaker 2: financially feasible to for Boeing to develop and build a

436
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 2: new jet. So you're talking about like building an equation

437
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,400
Speaker 2: with one hundred and fifty variables in it to figure out,

438
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:30,719
Speaker 2: you know, because like this new Dreamliner, like it's going

439
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:32,960
Speaker 2: to be a production for like thirty or forty years,

440
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,639
Speaker 2: Like does it make sense cost? Benett? How did we

441
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,840
Speaker 2: not get the fed X cup right? You know, Like

442
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Speaker 2: I just don't understand how we didn't like get some Standford,

443
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:46,679
Speaker 2: Georgia Tech PhD to run like a million models of

444
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Speaker 2: this so that VJ couldn't win the damn thing before

445
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Speaker 2: it even started. That's just so confusing to me. But

446
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:54,880
Speaker 2: you know, maybe they did, and maybe the tech guy

447
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Speaker 2: got it wrong. I don't know.

448
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Speaker 3: What. What do you think of the news system?

449
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 2: I think it's it's great. I think it's great. And

450
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 2: to give my I got a buddy who's been like

451
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 2: couting this exact system for like ten years and he's

452
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Speaker 2: completely vindicated by the tour doing it. I think it's good.

453
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 2: I think people can understand it. Every you know, you

454
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 2: should have to win the last tournament. You should have

455
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Speaker 2: to win the last tournament to win the championships.

456
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Speaker 3: But it's not winning if it's not winning if you

457
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Speaker 3: start with the lead.

458
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's consumable. It's consumable to the fan. I

459
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Speaker 2: think it's great.

460
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Speaker 1: I mean, should it count as an official win if

461
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Speaker 1: you start card Well, I'm just saying. I'm just saying

462
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Speaker 1: this is that you're talking, say say you win that.

463
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Speaker 1: Say somebody wins this and they pass somebody else that

464
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Speaker 1: played in a different era for career wins. You know,

465
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Speaker 1: someone might look at that twenty years from now and say, hey,

466
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Speaker 1: this guy had a better career. He had more career wins,

467
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Speaker 1: and two of them could come from an event where

468
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Speaker 1: he started with the lead.

469
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't care, all right, Hey, I don't care.

470
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Speaker 2: You know, I just don't care.

471
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Speaker 3: What do you think about match play?

472
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Speaker 2: I just don't have much experience with it. I think

473
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Speaker 2: it's I think it's what most people play. They play

474
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 2: nassas at home. You know, it just doesn't work in

475
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 2: professional golf because you lose half your stars every round,

476
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Speaker 2: so it's tough. You know.

477
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Speaker 1: My idea for the Tour Championship would you you do

478
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Speaker 1: match play and you play out all the thirty two spots,

479
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Speaker 1: so instead of thirty, you got thirty guys in there,

480
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Speaker 1: and you play the matches all the way through one

481
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Speaker 1: through thirty two. So like there's a thirty one versus

482
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Speaker 1: thirty two match on Sunday, just like there's a one

483
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Speaker 1: versus two match.

484
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean you could if Dustin and speak

485
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Speaker 2: are playing a thirty one to thirty two match, Like

486
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Speaker 2: that's a marquee matchup. But you got to watch the

487
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Speaker 2: guy that's gonna win fifteen million, right, that's the one

488
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Speaker 2: people are going to want to watch.

489
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Speaker 3: Well, all of them are.

490
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Speaker 1: There's something being played for all of them. Like, and

491
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Speaker 1: that's the thing is, like why do people go watch people?

492
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Speaker 1: There's if you go to somebody's club championship, there's like

493
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Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty people watching the club championship.

494
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Speaker 3: It's an easy way.

495
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Speaker 1: To follow golf, Like match play is so much easier

496
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Speaker 1: for the casual fan.

497
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Speaker 3: Like I told this story on my other pot.

498
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Speaker 1: It's like, you know, I went to the after the

499
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Speaker 1: after the match, I went to the bar and all

500
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Speaker 1: my all my buddies aren't golfers. They're all like my

501
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 1: you know, they're my college buddies. None of them are.

502
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 1: They're all casual golfers. And I go to the bar

503
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Speaker 1: and they never ask me about golf unless it's the Masters,

504
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 1: you know. And I get to the bar and all

505
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,199
Speaker 1: of them are just asking me how the match was,

506
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Speaker 1: Like and this is moments after I've never seen but

507
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:46,120
Speaker 1: it's so easy for them to understand match play.

508
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Speaker 2: Yeah you're talking about the Tiger, Phil, Yeah, did you

509
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 2: watch that? I watched the front nine?

510
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Speaker 3: What'd you think?

511
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Speaker 2: I thought it as a general like the date is

512
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Speaker 2: perfect and I think like a pay per view to

513
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Speaker 2: e the golf event is also has a ton of potential.

514
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Speaker 2: I thought that particular iteration of it was pretty rough.

515
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought they did.

516
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Speaker 1: Like the idea is brilliant, the execution was horrible. But

517
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Speaker 1: like just what you said, like you were watching all

518
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Speaker 1: those shells wonderful world of golf.

519
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I was. I had a d V

520
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 2: yard and was just watching because I wanted to see

521
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Speaker 2: the courses back in the day. Yeah, but those are

522
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Speaker 2: stroke play match.

523
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Speaker 3: Play, Yeah, those are weird.

524
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Speaker 2: You know, Jan Littler got into the woods there at

525
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Speaker 2: Pine Valley and what he will almost never saw him

526
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Speaker 2: again seven on it. So that was a ball game.

527
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's an interesting thing I think about too, is

528
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Speaker 1: like the one thing that match play doesn't account for

529
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Speaker 1: is like the big number.

530
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Speaker 2: Yeah, like, hey, that's you know, I you know, I

531
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Speaker 2: listened to some of your stuff in the conversation about

532
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Speaker 2: like that's just a perfect example of like professional golf

533
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Speaker 2: versus just regular golf.

534
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Speaker 1: It.

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Speaker 2: You know, we're just so indoctrinated to playing seventy two

536
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 2: whole stroke play and whether it's right and it's just

537
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 2: the way it is, you know, like it doesn't have

538
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 2: to be that way forever, and you can throw some

539
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,199
Speaker 2: random events in there, but you know, the big number is,

540
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 2: you know all those the way we've built professionals have

541
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 2: like built their game to be played is to maximize

542
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Speaker 2: a seventy two hoole stroke play result.

543
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Speaker 1: So so so is stroke play overrated or underrated?

544
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 2: Properly rated?

545
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 3: Oh man, can't can't properly rate that.

546
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 2: I'm going to go underrated.

547
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 1: The I was gonna also ask is Tillery and Jeopardy

548
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 1: of losing his job to club pro guy?

549
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 2: He yeah, I mean he's pretty concerned about it. He's

550
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,439
Speaker 2: definitely given me a discount on my rate just to

551
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Speaker 2: you know, kind of keep me around. So he was

552
00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 2: worried about losing me, so he said he's gonna give

553
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 2: me a half off for the first half of next year.

554
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:02,719
Speaker 2: So that's nice.

555
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 3: All right.

556
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Speaker 1: Last question, if you were a golf fan, what's the

557
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 1: PGA tour stop that you would travel to go go see.

558
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 2: That's a great question. And honestly, after my rookie year

559
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 2: or maybe my second year, when I saw all you know,

560
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 2: by then i'd seen all the stops, I think if

561
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 2: you're a golf fan, you should go to one tour

562
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 2: event a year, because there are really really cool tour events.

563
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 2: If you go in person to any tour event, I

564
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 2: think you'll become a golf fan. And they all are

565
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 2: very different and they have their own personality and they're awesome.

566
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 2: There really are, Like I mean, you can complain about

567
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 2: the wrap around or whatever, and I know I've done

568
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 2: it before. And then you go to NAPA. It's like, golf,

569
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 2: we just finished a week ago. It's a joke. And

570
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 2: then you go to NAPA and there's thousands of people eating,

571
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 2: drinking wine, watching golf. It's a beautiful setting and you're like,

572
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 2: all right, I get it. Like these people are, they're

573
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 2: having the time of their lives out here. They're like

574
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 2: halfway watching golf. But you know, to answer your question,

575
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 2: Colonial is awesome, Tory Pines is awesome, Charlotte is awesome.

576
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 2: Travelers gets a bunch of people. The Players is awesome.

577
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 2: The Players is really cool. Yeah, they're all different, and

578
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 2: the product in person is really really good, and the

579
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 2: you know, the kind of the personality of the town

580
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 2: comes out a little bit. And the I mean, like

581
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 2: San Diego, I mean, I don't know eighty percent of

582
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 2: the people there watched more than like two shots. But

583
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 2: it's usually beautiful and it's just like a culture of

584
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 2: like being outside and it just feels like the you know,

585
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 2: like the winter is like suspended for a minute because

586
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 2: you're you're there. It's just great.

587
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Speaker 1: So sorry, this is one more question. Do you think

588
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: the players should be a major? No?

589
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 2: Right, No, I don't really care too much about like

590
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 2: history or this or that, you know, like the relative

591
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 2: comparing the fifties to now, But I think four majors

592
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 2: is four majors. I think that's pretty That's probably where

593
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 2: I draw the line as far as you know, let's

594
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 2: keep some things consistent for comparison safe. I have a

595
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 2: question for you though, all right, do you think that

596
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 2: like listening to the you know, the architecture junkies like

597
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 2: yourself and your whole crowd, do you think that the

598
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 2: Dope and the core Crenshaw and the gil Hands do

599
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 2: you think it's just the current, Like I feel like

600
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 2: you're convinced that like it's just better now and like

601
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 2: now they're getting it right, whereas like in the eighties

602
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 2: and nineties when it was like Fazzio and Nicholas. Don't

603
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Speaker 2: you think you would have been like, look, Fazzio is

604
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 2: building these great golf Like do you think twenty years

605
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 2: from now is it that different than fashion? Like are

606
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 2: you know, are these courses going to be great forever

607
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 2: or are you just convinced that your current era that

608
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 2: these guys are getting it right.

609
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Speaker 1: So that's great question. I think obviously, like anything, there's trends,

610
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Speaker 1: but if you look at the greatest golf courses in

611
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: the world, they embody a few core characteristics, like they're

612
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: extremely There's like most of the great golf courses have

613
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: with right Augusta is really wide, it's almost impossible to

614
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: lose a golf ball except for like the couple ponds,

615
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: you know, the So from that standpoint, like these guys

616
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Speaker 1: kind of design with the principles of you know, the greatest.

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Speaker 3: Architects of all time.

618
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Speaker 1: I think at the end of the day, golf architecture

619
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: is extremely simple and the toughest skill for an arc

620
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: that for an architect to have is actually restraint. So

621
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Speaker 1: like doing less is more, and I think the minimalist

622
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: approach to it, like like why is Saint Andrew's like

623
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: our Argia with the greatest golf course of the world,

624
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: Like it's like also and it was done when people

625
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: knew so little. There there's another whole thing with like amateurs,

626
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: like designing golf courses. Like Hugh Wilson designed Marion. He

627
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: he never designed another golf course. Uh you know, look

628
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,479
Speaker 1: at Crump at Pine Valley Founds it at Oakmont, like

629
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Speaker 1: all these guys did.

630
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Speaker 3: It was their first course. And uh so.

631
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Speaker 1: I think like at the end of the day, I

632
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: think like there's there's a lot of things with like

633
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: the naturalness that they do these golf courses where they

634
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: aren't they're very sympathetic to the land. Like something that

635
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: bugs me is like you know when you go to

636
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Speaker 1: like say a Fasio or a Jones courses like the

637
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: you know they they had the earth moving capabilities and

638
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,959
Speaker 1: they did almost too much where you know, you have

639
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: these like you have containment mounting that blocks like your

640
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: long views of the golf course. Like little things like

641
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: that are really like my pet peeves. But I think

642
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: the trends are going to change and and there's gonna

643
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: be a new wave of our architects, just like you know,

644
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: there's this new wave of golfers, Like I don't know

645
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: what the next wave of golf architect. Texture is going

646
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:08,959
Speaker 1: to be like what the next trend's going to be,

647
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: But they're certainly going to be a new trend. If

648
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: I knew what the next trend would was going to be,

649
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: I'd quit my job and become a golf architect. But yeah,

650
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: they I mean they are like essentially, I don't know.

651
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: I think the principles that they use and are the

652
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: key ones though, Like the strategic nature of a lot

653
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: of their holes, Like it's a blend of the three

654
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: schools of like you know, some holes are going to

655
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: be penal, some holes are heroic, but the vast majority

656
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: of them have strategy. And at your level, the strategy

657
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,239
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter, because we talked about it is like

658
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: you hit it so far that you know you have

659
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: leg in your hand. It doesn't matter what angle you

660
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: have when you have leg in your hand as much.

661
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 2: Okay, that leads in another question. So if at my

662
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 2: level the guys hit it too far and they're too

663
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 2: good for the strategy to matter, I'm confused as to

664
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 2: like who it's because everyone I play with and whether

665
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 2: avid like they're not good enough to play strategy, you

666
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 2: know what I mean? Like, let's let's see, I read

667
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,439
Speaker 2: this like stuff, and I'm like, even my buddy who's

668
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 2: like a tent who's like a good player, like he

669
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 2: can't hit it down the left or the right side

670
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 2: of the fairway. He's just trying to hit it in

671
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 2: the faraway, like anywhere in the fairway, even if it's

672
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 2: a huge faaraway. So I'm confused as to like who

673
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 2: the whole like the whole like you know, you know,

674
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 2: cottage industry around this stuff is like for what like

675
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,720
Speaker 2: a high level midamateter. I'm just confused who's like taking

676
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:36,399
Speaker 2: this stuff like.

677
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: It's actually like a fascinating thing. Is so like here's

678
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: a here's something. What about a lady? Like what about

679
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: your aunt probably has the ball on a string but

680
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: hits it low? Yeah, that or a senior player strategy

681
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: is like paramount to them. Like I can tell my

682
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 1: mom isn't she's a I don't know, probably like a

683
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: probably like an eighteen handicap, but she no, she hits

684
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: at one hundred and fifty yards like And this is

685
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: kind of what bugs me when I get in arguments

686
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: with some like super statistical people. It's like, you know,

687
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: an angle of approach really matters for somebody that can't

688
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: put a ton of spin on the ball or doesn't

689
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: have wedge in their hand.

690
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 3: Like that's like a perfect example.

691
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,959
Speaker 1: Your buddy who's a ten handicap, if he's got two

692
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 1: twenty from a disadvantaged angle, he'd be way better off

693
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: just hitting it short left of a green that say,

694
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 1: he's on the right side of the fairway to a

695
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,959
Speaker 1: green that goes left to right, He'd be way better

696
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: off playing it left and then chipping.

697
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 3: Up it from there.

698
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 2: You know.

699
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I understanding when you're in a position to attack

700
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 1: versus a position where you have really no shot is

701
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: obviously very important for somebody.

702
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 3: The less skilled you are. Yeah, so you know, and

703
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 3: you can.

704
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 1: Try and like listen, like, I think this is a

705
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: misconception too. If people think like I'm saying, like, hey,

706
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: you need to hit the ball down the left, aim

707
00:35:58,120 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: down the left edge of the fairway.

708
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 3: That is not what I've That's not the way I play.

709
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 2: Is.

710
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: Like what I do is I'll look at it and say, okay,

711
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: Like any I hit the ball three hundred yards, It's

712
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: like I'll look at the hole and say, okay, like

713
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: I should aim down the left center of the fairway

714
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: here because I'd rather be in the left rough than

715
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: the right edge of the fairway.

716
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, now I see what you're saying. You're saying if

717
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 2: you're not necessarily trying to go there, if you end

718
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,439
Speaker 2: up there, you play accordingly from there.

719
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: It's it's just opening and it gives. So like, here's

720
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 1: the other aspect that I think. This is what I

721
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: think is the most beautiful thing about golf architecture. Right, So,

722
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 1: if you would have asked me four years ago before

723
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: I started the frieda Egg like, I played golf for score,

724
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 1: Like I was trying to compete in state ams. I

725
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: was trying to, you know, get into USGA events. That's

726
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: that's why I played golf like I took it seriously

727
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: since I got you know, I always was interested in

728
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: architecture growing up. I read about it like you know,

729
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: a ton, I'd read books Like once I started this

730
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 1: and I started writing about architecture, like all of a sudden,

731
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: like why I played the game has completely shifted.

732
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 3: I don't keep score.

733
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: I have more fun on the golf course than I've

734
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: ever had before in my life, Like I care, I

735
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: like enjoy playing so much more because, like you know,

736
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: what if I shoot eighty three or sixty seven, it

737
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: doesn't matter to me.

738
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 2: And yeah, I love that.

739
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 3: And like I go.

740
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: Out there and I enjoy being outside. I enjoy walking,

741
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: I enjoy looking, and I like, you know, like why

742
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: do people go on architectural boat tours when they go

743
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: to Chicago, Like you're learning stuff, You're seeing stuff, and

744
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: like I'm way more observant of what's going on around

745
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: me rather than just what I'm doing. And I think

746
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: that's like the most amazing thing about golf is that, like,

747
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: really for ninety nine percent of the population, And this

748
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,760
Speaker 1: is what I think the one of the American golf's

749
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 1: biggest problems is is that like you shouldn't care about score,

750
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,280
Speaker 1: You should care about being outside, being with your friends.

751
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,240
Speaker 1: Like I played National Golf Links with a Hickory driver

752
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: and a blot of ball, and I played with guys

753
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: that were in the range of twelve to fifteen handicaps,

754
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,240
Speaker 1: like I played when I played other times at National,

755
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: Like it was like driver wedge everywhere. I'm playing hickory

756
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: and blatta and I'm playing the members teas and I'm

757
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 1: hitting it into the same spots as these guys. And

758
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: what I noticed most was how much more conversation was

759
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: being had because I wasn't walking sixty yards ahead of them.

760
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I don't know. That's to me.

761
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,479
Speaker 1: Architecture just adds another facet to the game that makes

762
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: it so much more enjoyable.

763
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I like that, and I like that, don't

764
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 2: The only other the only other thing that I see

765
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 2: playing in pro ams, that is, I do think that

766
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 2: this current generation has not I just see amateurs their

767
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 2: hole is over when they get in a bunker, Like

768
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 2: they cannot get out of the bunker. And that's one

769
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 2: thing that I think, like you know, the Fasio and

770
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 2: the Nicholas courses with car paths and neighborhoods and deep

771
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 2: bunkers and you know, all this stuff that's really kind

772
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,760
Speaker 2: of proving to be you know, unsustainable or expensive. We're both,

773
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 2: uh this current you know, like I've seen all these

774
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 2: pictures of a Hopee match club. It looks unbelievable, but like,

775
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 2: how do people get out of the bunkers?

776
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 1: See that's a that's a and so like a hoopie

777
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: the the owners like a competitive amateur.

778
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,280
Speaker 3: So like that's another thing you have to keep in mind.

779
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: Is like who's who's the project for It's always Yeah,

780
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: there's so many variables that go into the golf course design.

781
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: And and I think like a lot of times, like

782
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: you know, like a lot of times, you know what

783
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: happened in the in the wrong era is like it

784
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: was like the Hogan effect of golf. Like, you know,

785
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: to a certain extent, these guys don't deserve as much

786
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: flak as like someone like I give them because like

787
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: they were in an era where that was thought to

788
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: be good, right, and like think about like the associated

789
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: penalty of you going into a bunker versus a fifteen handicap.

790
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's you know, that's why I think, like they

791
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 2: just redid the golf course of my neighborhood, Bobby Jones

792
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 2: golf Course. Yeah, they took it. I have not played

793
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,919
Speaker 2: it yet. It's literally rained for three straight months since

794
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 2: it opened. But they took it from nine eighteen holes

795
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 2: to nine holes. It's a reversible course with like seventy

796
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 2: tea boxes. And you know they're not like I think,

797
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 2: they're just a little spot where you can put Tea's

798
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 2: a lot of them, not necessarily like a define tea box,

799
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 2: but and it's all fairway and I think that's a

800
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 2: great idea. A you can keep the ball rolling, you

801
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 2: can putt, you can chip. But I've walked around it

802
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,479
Speaker 2: and there's not that many bunkers and I'm like, wow,

803
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 2: people are actually going to be able to like finish

804
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 2: a hole here, and whether you're playing first four or not,

805
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 2: people want to finish the hole. And I just play

806
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 2: with like, I'm just shocked at how many decent golfers,

807
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 2: avid golfers I play with that. I'm like, poor guy,

808
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 2: his hole is over, like he got in his bunker

809
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 2: and his hole is over. And I really think they

810
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 2: did a good job with this, Bobby Jones here with

811
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,879
Speaker 2: the all fair away and all and not that many

812
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 2: deep bunkers. So that's cool.

813
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 3: I wanted to see that.

814
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: I didn't have time the last time I was down

815
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: there to see it. I'm gonna go this spring sometime.

816
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 2: But the I think that's like I live like five

817
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 2: hundred yards from there, so hit me up.

818
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 3: I will. That's the thing though, was like, so like

819
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 3: if you built a golf.

820
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: Course with minimum bunkers and like really interesting green complexes,

821
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: it's like the perfect thing for a beginner because they

822
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: could use whatever they can duff it around right. And

823
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 1: then for a good player, like all of a sudden,

824
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: those greens are the defense, and like you have to

825
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: be in the right spots to attack, like you know,

826
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:53,919
Speaker 1: I'll never forget, Like there was a there's a whole

827
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: San Francisco Golf. I was playing with Zach Blair there

828
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: and it's like the it's the sixteenth hole, right, So

829
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,879
Speaker 1: I challenge the bunker on the right and I get

830
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: around the bunker into the very right edge of the bunk,

831
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: and he hits it up the left. We had never

832
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: seen the course, you know, the green sloped hard left

833
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: to right. He had absolutely no chance from the left

834
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: side to hit the ball within thirty five feet of

835
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: the flag, and he had a wedge in his hand right.

836
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: So that's a perfect example of a hole like the

837
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty handicap is gonna have no clue. You know,

838
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,760
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter for them really, But for a good player,

839
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: you have to be up the right and you have

840
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: to take on this bunker to get the angle in.

841
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: And this is one of the things, like I think

842
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: the biggest problem with modern golf is like people complaining

843
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: about greens and saying they're unfair, Like like the greens

844
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: that Mackenzie built Augusta National would never get built today

845
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: because people will say they're unfair, and those are That's

846
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: what makes the golf course.

847
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 2: I mean, if the if a regular tour event had

848
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 2: greens and put pins where they put them at the Masters,

849
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 2: no one would go play. Why they're just so extreme,

850
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 2: they're so severe. But it's the Masters, so it's awesome.

851
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,720
Speaker 1: See. That's that's what drove me nuts about Trinny Forrest

852
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,879
Speaker 1: is they were moving teas up to take center line

853
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: bunkers out of play.

854
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 3: They were moving teas up.

855
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 1: On par threes, so that, like the tour players like

856
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 1: have an adverse effect to like the idea of having

857
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: to aim away from something to get it close to something.

858
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear you. I don't know about the bunkers,

859
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 2: but I will say that you know this, it's a

860
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,359
Speaker 2: it's a circle with no solution. But the I don't

861
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 2: know about the bunkering, like I said, but the greens.

862
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 2: The other thing that nobody thinks about is getting one

863
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty six guys around the golf course, or

864
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 2: even one hundred and forty four or even ninety. I

865
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 2: mean the rounds and the masters take five hours and

866
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 2: forty minutes because and that's with ninety players, right. So

867
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 2: I played at Pinehurst in the US Open, and in

868
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 2: the practice rounds, like whoever it was Orschel or Coop

869
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 2: to someone was like, look after round one, twelve guyrs

870
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 2: will be leading the field. And he was right. The

871
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 2: practice rounds, the greens were really firm, and you could

872
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 2: stripe every shot and not hit more than twelve greens.

873
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 2: And we got out there on Thursday and I hit

874
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 2: it down the middle on the first hole and I

875
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 2: spun an eight iron back off the green. They had

876
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 2: watered the green so much and it was disappointing, and

877
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 2: it was much easier, and Kimer obviously played great and

878
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 2: shot low scores. But dude, if you leave a firm

879
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 2: like that, it takes it takes six hours and twenty

880
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 2: minutes to get around that golf course. Because you're playing

881
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 2: for a US Open championship in ten million bucks. So

882
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 2: if you're playing like for funnel your buddies, even if

883
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 2: you're keeping score and you chip it across a green

884
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 2: a couple times, it's no big deal. But guys are

885
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 2: so good and there's so much at stake that if

886
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 2: you're having to like, you know, not put it off

887
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 2: the green, it takes forever. And that's a really tough

888
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 2: thing that professional golf has to deal with that nobody

889
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 2: ever talks about. Is to make it hard for players

890
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:06,320
Speaker 2: of the tour level. It's so hard that it takes

891
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 2: so long to play. It's a problem. There's no solution

892
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 2: to that. I mean, it's tough, you know.

893
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: So here's something that goes into pace of play that

894
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: tour players and I think the tour never thinks about,

895
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: is the distance that the ball is traveling now is

896
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:27,720
Speaker 1: also causing pace of play. And look no further than Riviera,

897
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,439
Speaker 1: which is now like an essentially an invitational. The LA Open,

898
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 1: one of the greatest, most historic events of all time,

899
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:38,760
Speaker 1: has now been reduced to a limited field, small field

900
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: event because of distance.

901
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 3: Like now every single player in.

902
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: The field goes for tenant off the tenth t every

903
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: player is waiting on eleven, every player is waiting on seventeen,

904
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: and that adds so much time to the round that

905
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 1: that's why the young players don't get the opportunity to

906
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:58,280
Speaker 1: play Riviera as.

907
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 3: Rookies or so short.

908
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's that's another part of the pace of play.

909
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean that's just a huge it's a

910
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 2: huge issue that that that day at Sawgrass where the

911
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,399
Speaker 2: greens turned like eighteen on the spin meter, took six

912
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 2: hours to play those rounds. You know, it's like, okay,

913
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 2: so that was probably a little bit much. But like, well,

914
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 2: you know, when you're talking about this conversation about like,

915
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 2: well do you do golf Nascia, Now do you make

916
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 2: the greens faster? Do you? You know, Augustus protected themselves

917
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 2: with really severe greens and really tough pin placements and

918
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 2: the rounds take a long time. You know what, what.

919
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:41,240
Speaker 1: About slower greens with with more interesting pins, more.

920
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 2: Severe That's what That's what hinnacok was really good this

921
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 2: you know, this summer, I only played Thursday Friday, played

922
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 2: pretty well, missed the cup by won whatever. But you know,

923
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 2: the greens were like nine or ten on the stamp,

924
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:58,280
Speaker 2: and it was windy and they had some tough pins

925
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 2: and it was all good, you know, and then they

926
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 2: just put two pins too close, which you know was

927
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 2: a whole another story. But but yeah, you know, that's

928
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 2: like what Sheen said. The whole thing about golf course

929
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,399
Speaker 2: conditioning has gotten out of control, you know. I mean

930
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 2: that's why I played two British Opens and to me,

931
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 2: they just hit a home. It's a ten out of

932
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 2: ten over there. You know. I played at Birkdale, which is,

933
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,280
Speaker 2: you know, one of the two or three best tournament

934
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 2: courses I've ever played. It was so awesome and Harrington

935
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 2: won their ten years before at three over par and

936
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 2: Stayden Fooch. You know, it was pretty like, you know,

937
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 2: crappy on like Thursday for a while. Otherwise the weather

938
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 2: was pretty good. Got to like and you know what cared.

939
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 2: They didn't move the pins and they didn't speak the

940
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 2: greens up, and they didn't bring in the rough or

941
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 2: move it out, like the course is just the course

942
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:53,720
Speaker 2: and you just go play. And I think that's pretty awesome.

943
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's that's I think that's one of the biggest problems.

944
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: And it's partially like from Augusta but like in the

945
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: agronomics like have just gotten better. But to me, I

946
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 1: don't know how you think about this, but I think

947
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 1: the slow greens actually enhanced the skill of putters, Like

948
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: the better cutters put better on slower greens.

949
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you on the putting. The best

950
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 2: putters put the best strike on it. And a lot

951
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 2: of those guys grew up on really slow greens, you know,

952
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 2: like Russell Henley grew up in like Bermuda, you know,

953
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 2: South Georgia and like just puts the most beautiful like

954
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 2: strike on his putts. And I don't know what kind

955
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 2: of greens Ricky grew up on, but that, like, you know,

956
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 2: the hit he puts on putts is just unbelievable.

957
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 3: I don't think he grew up on a MUNI I think.

958
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and yeah, it's uh, I agree with you.

959
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, So slower greens, more interesting pens. You know, we're

960
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: just fixing all of golf problems.

961
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just it's like whackable, you know, like you

962
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 2: just fix one problem and you have another, you know.

963
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 2: Like I wasn't at Trinity Forest, which we talked about,

964
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 2: and I think maybe it was you or someone that

965
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 2: was like, you know, they made it soft and like

966
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 2: it didn't play hard and fast and like and they

967
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,320
Speaker 2: put the pin. It's like you start putting those pins

968
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:14,720
Speaker 2: three off the runoffs and you're paying you can't finish.

969
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 2: It takes five hours and fifty minutes for a for

970
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 2: a tour guy that has to put everything out. You know,

971
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 2: you can't just like whack it up the slope twice

972
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 2: and then pick up. It's a totally different deal. Tournament

973
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,359
Speaker 2: golf is so different. It's tough, man, it's tough. It's

974
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:35,399
Speaker 2: tough to set it up. And so how do you.

975
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: How do fifteen handicaps get around trinity forrest in firmer

976
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 1: and faster conditions get around it in less than four hours?

977
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,479
Speaker 1: And PGA Tour players can't get around it in less

978
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 1: than five and a half.

979
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 2: Whether they pick up or they just putt and it

980
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 2: doesn't matter. They just play fast because it doesn't matter.

981
00:49:58,800 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 3: Isn't pay?

982
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: I mean, like, what do you think about pace of

983
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: play on the tour? Like the fact that it's actually

984
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: not enforced. The rule in golf isn't enforced.

985
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 2: I think pace of play on tour is talked about

986
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 2: more than it needs to be because I think if

987
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,879
Speaker 2: you came out on a weekend where you were playing twosomes, yeah,

988
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 2: I think it'd be shocked at how fast the pace

989
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:18,919
Speaker 2: of play.

990
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 3: It's like four hours in twosomes on weekends.

991
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,800
Speaker 2: But like, yeah, that's pretty good on a hard golf course.

992
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: But like, why aren't players penalized when they take like

993
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: three minutes to hit a.

994
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 2: Shot, and I just don't think it happens that often,

995
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 2: so they're not really like, you know, there's you know

996
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 2: the whole like JB in the middle of eighteen faaraway.

997
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,439
Speaker 2: Why do we talk about that because it's a rare thing.

998
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 2: You don't see that very often.

999
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,320
Speaker 1: So, so, like there's a rule in golf that says

1000
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,919
Speaker 1: you have X amount of time to hit a shot, right, right,

1001
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: I don't know what the exact number is, but there's

1002
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,399
Speaker 1: a rule that says that. So like in essence, that's

1003
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 1: a shot clock. Like what if the NBA turned off

1004
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 1: the shot clock, like you'd see a lot longer possessions, right, So,

1005
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: like what if they enforce the rule, the rounds won't

1006
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: take six six hours like that, that's a that's a

1007
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: strict problem of like you know, the players will get

1008
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 1: mad and the tour won't do it because the players

1009
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:19,280
Speaker 1: will get bad. But that's a rule that just isn't enforced,

1010
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: and the players know that it's not going to be enforced.

1011
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:23,800
Speaker 3: That's why it takes five and a half hours.

1012
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:26,800
Speaker 2: Do you think because guys take more than forty seconds

1013
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:28,399
Speaker 2: to hit shot that's why you think it takes five

1014
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 2: and a half hours.

1015
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: I think it's one of them, like look at look

1016
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: at it, Like, uh, I don't think so. I mean

1017
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 1: Patrick Cantley. You know they people sat and counted how

1018
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,399
Speaker 1: long it took it he stood stood over the ball

1019
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 1: after his preshot routine for thirty to forty seconds for

1020
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 1: an entire round, you know. Like that's yeah, that's that's

1021
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:49,919
Speaker 1: like a two to three minute shot. Like I think

1022
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 1: the combination of distance. If if players just took if

1023
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: they don't have to wait, you know, the one thing's waiting, right,

1024
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: But like if the if they took the amount the

1025
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: allotted amount of time, you know, it would speed up

1026
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: the rounds immensely. It's like traffic jam, right.

1027
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 2: It wouldn't though, because there's one hundred and fifty six

1028
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 2: guys with just too many people on a golf course.

1029
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 2: You would just you would just play faster to wait more.

1030
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 2: That's all you would do.

1031
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,359
Speaker 1: That's interesting, But that that goes to like if it's

1032
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: properly yeah, I guess like yeah, because you can't fit

1033
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: all right, I'll agree, you're.

1034
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 2: I'm field size.

1035
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, like field size that's a big problem. And yeah,

1036
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 3: because like fifteen minute per hole.

1037
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: So it was if the tea times were blocked out

1038
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes, then you wouldn't have a problem. But then

1039
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 1: you couldn't get one hundred and fifty six guys around right.

1040
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 2: Now, you're playing one to twenty fields and that's not

1041
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 2: you know, so field size is a huge issue. It's

1042
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 2: it's a simple reason why you play five and a

1043
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 2: half hours Thursday Friday, you tee it up Saturday morning

1044
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 2: with one less guy. It's twosomes and you play in

1045
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 2: three fifty. Yeah, it's I mean, sure there's some slow guys,

1046
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 2: but man, it's hard golf courses and it's a lot

1047
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 2: of dudes. It's really the problem.

1048
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 1: It's it's because the and to a certain extent, they're

1049
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:14,280
Speaker 1: doctoring the courses to control the scoring.

1050
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean the courses are really hard. That's

1051
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 2: a big that's a big, huge misconception on the tour

1052
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 2: because you flip on Golf Channel on Thursday at two

1053
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:25,839
Speaker 2: in the afternoon and you're like, oh, so we shot

1054
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 2: eight hundred this morning. Yeah they did, But the golf

1055
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 2: courses are really hard, and that's you know, takes a

1056
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 2: while to play a hard golf course.

1057
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 3: So all right, I keep saying.

1058
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: Last question if you were the commissioner for a day,

1059
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,320
Speaker 1: was like one change you make to the tour?

1060
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:57,439
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, I think that I don't know, I don't

1061
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 2: know one change, goodness, I would probably say that I

1062
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 2: would probably just shorten the season by five weeks. That's

1063
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 2: the only thing that would change.

1064
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, have a little more of an off season.

1065
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think nine. I think nine months

1066
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 2: is a good sports season, you know. Yeah, I think

1067
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 2: eleven is you know right now where it basically what

1068
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 2: a six week you know, off season. I think it's

1069
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 2: I think ten ten weeks off would probably be. I

1070
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 2: think nine months is probably good, you know. But hey,

1071
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 2: we're shortening it a little bit as far as like

1072
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 2: the fed X and then it just started earlier. So

1073
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 2: not really, but you know, I supposedly, like in nineteen

1074
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 2: seventy eight there was forty eight events, so this isn't

1075
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 2: anything new. It's not like we're adding events. It's always

1076
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 2: been this way. That would be my one change.

1077
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 1: All right, the last one. One event that you have

1078
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 1: never played in worldwide. It could be that you want

1079
00:54:58,719 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 1: to play in.

1080
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 2: I would love to play in. I don't have to

1081
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 2: play in the match play. The tour events I've not

1082
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 2: played is just the match play in Kapalua, and I'd

1083
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 2: love to play the match play. I haven't played a

1084
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 2: lot of it, and I just think it'd be awesome.

1085
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 2: But the one tournament I'd want to go back and

1086
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 2: play again is the US Amateur. For some reason, I

1087
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 2: played in two of them, and that tournament, to me,

1088
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 2: I'd like if I had to just go back and

1089
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:27,359
Speaker 2: play one more tournament and get one more crack at

1090
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 2: it, it would be that one I get another match play one.

1091
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 2: So maybe I'm you know, making an endorsement there.

1092
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 3: Hey, match play.

1093
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 1: John Pearson's going to be teeing up in the usam

1094
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:42,359
Speaker 1: in like two years. Oh boy, him and me, we're

1095
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:47,839
Speaker 1: the same. Oh boy, So you know you could still

1096
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 1: probably play in the us am You should just call

1097
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: off the USGA.

1098
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 2: Peterson what he played on the team with my brother

1099
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:56,720
Speaker 2: at LSU. He's special.

1100
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 3: Yeah that's something. So that's but hey, thanks for the time.

1101
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people have a new guy

1102
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: to root for on tour and we'll be, Uh, where

1103
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 1: do you kick off at?

1104
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 2: Sony No, I'm going to Palm Springs.

1105
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 1: Palm Springs, all right, the Hope, Yeah, it's a five rounder.

1106
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 2: The Desert nobody. I haven't seen any of you golf

1107
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,720
Speaker 2: junkies do a do a good list of what tour

1108
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 2: guys call the tournaments, which I think is hysterical. When

1109
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 2: you're a rookie, you have to figure out where the

1110
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,879
Speaker 2: hell everyone's playing because you're in the locker room. It's like, well,

1111
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 2: you planning coming up, They're like, oh, I'm doing the Desert.

1112
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 2: And then riv you know, like just the alternate names

1113
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 2: that all the tournaments have a great in my opinion.

1114
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 3: What's what's the what's the at and t you called?

1115
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 2: Well, I think if you're a real og you call

1116
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 2: it the clam bake, but now they just call it pebble.

1117
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 2: Everyone just called it pebble.

1118
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:51,720
Speaker 3: Harbor Town's harbor Town, right.

1119
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, harbor Town. And then the Desert, to me

1120
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 2: is one of the real real tour lingo. Once you're

1121
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 2: playing the Desert, you'll be the Desert.

1122
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 3: What's Scottsdale?

1123
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:06,320
Speaker 2: Uh, Phoenix, Phoenix, Phoenix?

1124
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 3: What about Sony Sony Sony?

1125
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:11,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, in that way for a long time.

1126
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 1: So it's kind of interesting, Like the best I've always

1127
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: said this actually is the best courses. The the the

1128
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 1: lingo for the core for the tournament is the course same.

1129
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, like Honda is Honda, Memorial is Memorial Jack

1130
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 2: or Jack's Tournament, Yeah, Memorial Ay Hill. Yeah, there's some

1131
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 2: there's some good ones I'm not thinking of.

1132
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 3: But what about like Valero.

1133
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 2: I think that one's mostly San Antonio. Houston was always Houston. Yeah,

1134
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 2: most of the time, it's the city, but for some reason,

1135
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 2: sometimes it's the sponsor. I don't know why they.

1136
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: You got Detroit and you got many you got two

1137
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 1: new ones. I'm curious with those are going to be

1138
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 1: called probably just the city. That Detroit course is gonna

1139
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 1: be cool.

1140
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 3: It's not looking forward to both of those.

1141
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 2: It's a dream up there in the summer of those places.

1142
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 1: That's what boggles my mind is how often the tour

1143
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 1: goes to places like the worst time to go to them,

1144
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 1: like like this, like this Memphis event in the middle

1145
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 1: in the in the end of July.

1146
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a it's a head scratcher there because

1147
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 2: apparently the you know, FedEx like really wanted to upgrade

1148
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 2: their tournament. You know, they love Memphis, they love Saint Jude,

1149
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 2: which is understandable, but it's you know, it remains to

1150
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 2: be seen with how jam packed. The schedule is basically

1151
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 2: from like Augusta through the Tour Championship where the top

1152
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 2: players like maybe sneak a week off and but it

1153
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 2: goes straight from the British to the you know, four

1154
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 2: hundred degree heat of Memphis, nor.

1155
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 1: Northern Ireland to UH Royal part Rush to to TPC

1156
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 1: south Wind in July.

1157
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 2: I love that tournament. That's a sneaky like tournament. People

1158
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 2: are like, what are your favorites? Memphis is a great tournament.

1159
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 2: The course is really cool, and the people are so nice,

1160
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 2: and the Saint Jude factor is you know, makes it.

1161
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 2: It's really a great tournament. So hopefully they get there.

1162
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 2: You know, all top fifty or whatever play there.

1163
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: It's fascinating, you know. Uh, I'm a huge NBA fan

1164
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 1: and uh nice. All the NBA writers and people are

1165
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 1: always talking about how they love going to Memphis. Like

1166
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 1: when Memphis was good with with Gasol, Marc Gasol and

1167
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 1: and Zebo, they were all everybody was like so excited

1168
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 1: that the playoff series were in Memphis, like because they

1169
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 1: it's it's interesting that you're like, you know, you confirm

1170
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 1: that Memphis is a good spot, so all right. Well, hey,

1171
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 1: thanks for the time. We'll keep in touch. Maybe we'll

1172
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 1: get you on another in mid season or something.

1173
00:59:49,800 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 2: All right, cool, have a going all right, thanks man,