1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants. Hutteles on Giants 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: dot Com and the Giants the Giants podcast Network. Welcome 3 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: to the newest edition of the Giant Huddle podcast. John 4 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 1: Schmolke with you. We are a week two of training camp, 5 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 1: and today's guest to talk about what we've seen so 6 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: far at practice is a friend of the program, Ed Valentine, 7 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 1: who was, of course the author of the eSPI Nation 8 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: blog for the Giants, Big Blue View. He is a 9 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: podcast as well. 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We've seen your practice the last 20 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: week and half. I thought be a good day to 21 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: have you on here. Hope all is well and tell 22 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: the folks where they can find everything you're doing. Oh, 23 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 1: it's at Big Blue View of course. On Twitter, It's 24 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: Big Blue View dot com is the website. You can 25 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 1: also find us on Instagram, you can find us on YouTube, 26 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: so you know, hopefully you check out all the different platforms. 27 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: And John, I really appreciate you having me on today. 28 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: You know, nothing happened out there today. Yeah, it's funny. 29 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 1: We actually had this set up before practice. I did 30 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 1: purposely want to do it after the first padded practice 31 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: because we've been out there for a weekend. But look, 32 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: we all have to write about practice and what's happening 33 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 1: and watch and we're into it. But really it's not 34 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: real football. But we had real football on Tuesday here 35 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: at the Quest Agnostics Training Center and it was eventful. 36 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: So before we hit practice today, let's set the stage. 37 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: What were you looking for walking into practice today? What's 38 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: been your major takeaway through the first week, and then 39 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: we can hit today's specifically. Well, obviously you wanted to 40 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: see offensive line play, but you wanted to see some 41 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: you wanted to see some sharpness for from the offense, which, 42 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: as you said, it hasn't been real football. But the 43 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: takeaway from the first few days, you know, it has 44 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: been that the offense has been a little bit sluggish, 45 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: a little bit behind the defense. You wanted to see 46 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: some you know, some some steps forward from the offense today. Um, 47 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 1: you know, those are the big things I wanted to see, really, 48 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: just cohesion on that offensive line and uh, you know, 49 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 1: and the start of the start of some real football, 50 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:33,519 Speaker 1: some real competition from from receivers and cornerbacks. So hard 51 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,239 Speaker 1: to judge when they're in shorts and T shirts. So 52 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: so it was it was good to see some some 53 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: fully padded action today. Yeah, and and and we'll get 54 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: to some of the physical contact that occurred over there 55 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: the course of practice. But let's start with your point, 56 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: because I think if you're looking for the offense to 57 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: step it up and have a good day, and I 58 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: think that's exactly what happened. I thought this was the 59 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: sharpest the offense has been. I don't think it's a 60 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: surprise that it comes into practice where they weren't doing 61 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: quite as much red zone work and they actually let 62 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:03,519 Speaker 1: them use the full length of the field a little bit, 63 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 1: which makes things a lot easier on the passing game. 64 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: But I thought we saw more separation from wide receivers, 65 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: especially in the one on ones. It was the first 66 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: time we saw wide receiver dB one on ones that 67 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 1: we've seen for for most of camp. And I just 68 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: thought the offense really showed out and did a really 69 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:20,679 Speaker 1: nice job. To be quite honest with you, Oh, I 70 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: would agree. And it's interesting because I know Friday was 71 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: the first eleven on eleven that we saw, and it 72 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: looked ugly for the offense, and there was a lot 73 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: of oh my god, you know they're gonna stink this, 74 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: and that, you know, concern about the offense. And and 75 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: one of the things that that I think we've been 76 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: learning as we talked to Joe Judge is that he's 77 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: doing everything in increments. And I think part of the 78 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: maybe the issue with the offense the first couple of 79 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: days is he's making he was kind of making them 80 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: play in a box where he didn't want throws to 81 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:59,119 Speaker 1: go downfield. He didn't want guys to to run four 82 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: to your fifty yard all out. He kind of wanted 83 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: to build up to that. So the offense was really 84 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: playing in a really short area. I thought today they 85 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: kind of took the leash off and let them play 86 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: the field a little bit, and we saw what was 87 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: a much a much more even matchup today between the 88 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: offense and the defense. In fact, I think you could 89 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:22,599 Speaker 1: really say that that the offense dominated the day. Yeah, 90 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 1: I agree. I think Monday's practice when they started to 91 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:26,919 Speaker 1: open things up a little bit at I think we 92 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: saw the first Daniel Jones passed to actually travel like 93 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: more than twenty five yards in the air on a 94 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: deep pass down the sideline, and today it was even more. 95 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 1: And you're right, I think just the structure of practice 96 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: the first week gave a natural advantage to the defense. 97 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: You know, when you're we talked about this in the 98 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: regular season, right when you're working in the red zone 99 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: trying to score touchdowns, you have to build run the 100 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: ball well and it's very hard to pass in a 101 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: compressed area of the red zone, especially in golden ghost situations, 102 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: which is a large part of their red zone work. 103 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: So I agree, I think the structure of the practice 104 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: had a lot to do with it. And frankly, the 105 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 1: other thing is they actually had a one on one 106 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: period between wide receivers and defensive backs going full speed. 107 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: We haven't had that yet. They waited until they put 108 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 1: the pads on to do that, and quite frankly, aside 109 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 1: from one play where receiver fell down and Quincy Wilson 110 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: got an interception, wide receivers are open all over the 111 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: field in those wide receiver dB one on one drills. Yeah, 112 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 1: really really encouraging day for for everyone that that had 113 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: already decided that the Giants offense was going to be 114 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:37,359 Speaker 1: terrible again. Joe Judge has said over and over that 115 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: there will be days when the offense dominates. There will 116 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 1: be days when the defense dominates. You can't ride the 117 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: roller coaster, and you just have to you have to 118 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: continue to build, you know, which is an easy perspective 119 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: for him. I mean, fans obviously live and die with 120 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 1: everything they hear and everything they read, you know, and 121 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: and and every day, every day is either a nightmare 122 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: or it's in time for a parade, you know. But 123 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 1: but it's uh, you know. But it was good to see. 124 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 1: It was good to see progress today. It was it 125 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: was good to see passes completed. I think I got 126 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: distracted for a little bit because of one of the 127 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: other things that we'll talk about, and I missed a 128 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: few plays during a seven on seven period. But I 129 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: can only recall one ball that Daniel Jones through all 130 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 1: day that hit the ground. Yeah, I mean I think 131 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 1: he had the one. I think he airmailed one pass 132 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: to Sterling Shepherd during the during the one on ones. 133 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 1: But yeah, he was. He was very very strong. And 134 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: let's get to it, because I think I did the 135 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 1: offense stuff first. As you mentioned, that was something to 136 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 1: watch for. I agree, and but let's not bury the 137 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:54,799 Speaker 1: lead here. Here's the thing about the first full contact practice, 138 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: and this happens a lot ed. It's the first time 139 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: these guys are really hitting somebody since January, and guys 140 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 1: get into it. And the early part of practice, they 141 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: had their one on one blocking drill, which Joe Judge 142 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: it also did last year, where they set it up 143 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: and they have the alignment against a lineman, the receivers 144 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: against the dbs, the linebackers against uh, the tight ends 145 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: and the running backs and it's basically a one on 146 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: one blocking drill you block for a ball carrier. And 147 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: you could already see tempers weren't flaring, but guys were loud, 148 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: their enthusiastic, they were into it. And I thought that 149 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: drill where you're practicing some of those fundamentals that are 150 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: so important to Joe Judge really kind of set the 151 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: tone for the rest of practice. It's funny that you mentioned, 152 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: you know, how loud that drill was, because where reporters are, 153 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: where media is is up on the patio. We're like 154 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: a hundred yards away from that drill. But even where 155 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: we were, you could tell how loud it was. You 156 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: could tell how into it guys were. Um, you know, 157 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: it's the first time they've actually gotten to hit each other. 158 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: And and yeah, there was death only intensity. Um, there 159 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: was definitely excitement about good blocks, about good plays by 160 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: the defense, and and and it only got worse from there, actually, 161 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: or more intense I should say, yes, I think more 162 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: intense is is is the is the proper way to 163 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: to phrase it. And then eventually I think it was 164 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: gonna be the last team session of practice, but I'm 165 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: not sure. He said it was gonna be a longer 166 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: practice today, so maybe there was more coming. But it 167 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: ended up being the last team session of practice where 168 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: there was a play where a ball carrier got knocked down. 169 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: There was some pushing and shoving and there was a 170 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: little bit of a scrum um on the practice field 171 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: and things got a little bit out of control, and 172 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: Joe Judge was not happy about it. He let the 173 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:50,199 Speaker 1: players know ed, and he had them do rotating sets 174 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: of full field running and push ups for what was 175 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: seemed like ten or fifteen minutes. I mean, I didn't 176 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: have my stopwatch on it. It's team like a while 177 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: and I thought the thing, to me, that was interesting 178 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: and we could talk about what the players said about 179 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 1: it after practice much, you know, very opposite of what 180 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: it was before. When that you had that one drill 181 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: that was super duper loud and we could hear the 182 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: guys yelling at each other and all that stuff. When 183 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: they were doing that those runs and doing the push ups, 184 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: you could hear a pin drop on that practice field. 185 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: All you heard was the pads and jerseys moving, the 186 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: cleats hit in the grass as these guys, basically I 187 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: don't know, did their punishment for behavior that Joe Judge 188 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: and not like at the end of that practice. Yeah, 189 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: and you know, John that that silence extended to the media. 190 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: You know, usually there's some conversations going on. There was 191 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: not a word being spoken. The only words being spoken 192 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: during that entire time were by Joe Judge and there 193 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: were a lot of them, and they weren't very nice, 194 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: and they were very loud, and everybody understood that that's 195 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: not gonna happen again. During the Giant's practice this year. Yeah, 196 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 1: and I think we you know, we talked to Daniel 197 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: Jones after practice, We talked to Logan Ryan after practice. 198 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: We spoke to let's see who else was there. We 199 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 1: spoke to Blake Martinez after practice, in Matt paired after practice, 200 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: and all of them were pretty clear about what the 201 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 1: message from Joe Judge was. Yeah, and that's just you 202 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: know that they're a team and this is not gonna 203 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: happen again, and that that's not acceptable. And and really, 204 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 1: to be honest with you, I don't think anyone should 205 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: have been surprised anyone that's paid attention to Joe Judge 206 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 1: ever since day one of when he was hired. You know, 207 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: he's all about discipline, he's all about team. He's all 208 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: about you know, team first and family and taking care 209 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: of each other and and not doing anything that jeopardizes 210 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: the team itself. And he made that, you know, one percent, 211 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 1: perfectly clear today and and uh yeah, I would not 212 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: have expected anything less from him, No, and and and 213 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: the message got through. And look, he wants the guys 214 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 1: to be physical, he wants the guys to be enthusiastic. 215 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: He wants the offensive players to stick up for their guys, 216 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 1: the defensive players to stick up for their guys. But 217 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: he wants all that to happen between the whistles. He 218 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: doesn't want extra clear activity activity after the whistles, and 219 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 1: for the players, frankly, to do anything that will do 220 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 1: one of two things. If it's a game, would turn 221 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: into a penalty, or turn into a play where guys 222 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: get ejected, or in practice, would hurt a teammate. And 223 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: I think those are the things that you want to 224 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 1: avoid absolutely the you know, the worst thing you can 225 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: do is anything you know, guys are gonna get hurt. 226 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 1: It's going to happen. Things happen, Muscle pulls happen. You know, guys, guys, 227 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,719 Speaker 1: you know you get torn a c l s, you 228 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: get Stuff's gonna happen because it's football, it's athletic, it's competitive. 229 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: What you don't want to do is cause an injury 230 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 1: to a teammate by something that's unnecessary. And and that's 231 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: why you know fights in training camp there they're fun. 232 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: They're fund for fans to read about. But but they're 233 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: but they're really not a good thing at all. No, 234 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:21,319 Speaker 1: absolutely not. You have to keep things under control for 235 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: for lack of a better term, All right, Ed, I 236 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: think we touched training camp enough here from what you've 237 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:28,839 Speaker 1: seen and what you know about this roster heading to 238 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 1: the season. Now, as we get to these preseason games, 239 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: you know, the first ones in about what eleven days now, 240 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: and then we have the joint practices. What are the 241 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: main things you're gonna be keeping an eye on and 242 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: watching as some of the important things that could determine 243 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: how well the Giants play this year. Well, obviously you 244 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: know we're gonna we're all gonna be watching and waiting, 245 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: for sake, Kue with you know, with with bated breath, 246 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:57,239 Speaker 1: per se, waiting to see, you know, when he finally practices. 247 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: But I think we have to see, you know, a 248 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: little bit of what we were talking about already. We're 249 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 1: not probably not going to see a whole lot of 250 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: the first team offense in these preseason games, but as 251 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: camp and as preseason unfolds, I think we just want 252 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: to see more days where this offense looks like it 253 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: can threaten what should be a really really good Giants defense, 254 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: because if it can do that, then you know there 255 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: should be reason for optimism heading into heading into the 256 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: regular season. I mean, the other thing you've got to watch, John, 257 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: I did a series of preseason previews going position by position, 258 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: you know on this roster, and I look up and 259 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: down this roster and you can find through almost every 260 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: position on this roster, you know NFL caliber players who 261 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:53,199 Speaker 1: aren't gonna make this team. So so the roster battles 262 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 1: are really interesting. Now, I agree, What are some of 263 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 1: the battles to you that have you most excited? Well, 264 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:03,479 Speaker 1: the battle for the backup wide receivers is really interesting. 265 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: How because you've got Dante Pettis, You've got John Ross, 266 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 1: You've got Austin mac You've got you know, David Sills 267 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: once again having an outstanding training camp. You've got several 268 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: guys you know on the edge on defense who I 269 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: don't know how that's all going to shake out. Injuries 270 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: and and everything might have something to do with that, 271 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: but you've got a lot of depth over there. So 272 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: for me, those are two that are really interesting. How 273 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: the backup defensive backs are gonna shake out? Is really interesting. 274 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: But like I said, you look up and down the 275 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: roster and and you think there there are some pretty good, 276 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: pretty useful football players that aren't gonna make this team. 277 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: And I don't think in recent years you haven't always 278 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: been able to say that about about the Giants. And 279 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: we're gonna watch the offensive linelight hawks here ed, But really, 280 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: until we get to prec in games, and I think 281 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: the joint practices, I don't really think we're gonna know 282 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: what this group is and what type of steps that 283 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: they've taken since last year. The offensive one, I think 284 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: I would agree with you. I mean, a lot of 285 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: what the Giants are doing right now is is real 286 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: preparation for those joint practices. You know, we sit here 287 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: and we watch training camp, and we try to analyze 288 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: every snap, and we try to analyze every practice, and 289 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: and the reality is sometimes we don't really know what 290 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: we're seeing because we don't know the purpose sometimes of 291 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: every drill, We don't know the purpose sometimes of every 292 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: play call. And you know it, maybe certain things might 293 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: be slanted or or designed, you know, to help the 294 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: defense in certain situations. Other situations might be designed to 295 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: help the offense. But I think when we get to 296 00:15:55,840 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: those joint practices, then I think we'll really he start 297 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: to be able to assess, you know, what this team 298 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: is and and and how much progress they have or 299 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: haven't made. And then for Daniel Jones, what to you 300 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: ed are the keys for the specific areas he needs 301 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: to improve in for the overall production to get to 302 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: the point where the Giant fans wanted to be. Well. Obviously, 303 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: everybody talks about the turnovers, John, everybody talks about the fumbles, 304 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: and I didn't think the fumbles were as big of 305 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: an issue last year. But for me, you know, I 306 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: talked to a lot of guys through the off season 307 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: about Daniel and for me, what it comes down to 308 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: is he's got the athleticism, he's got the intelligence, he's 309 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: got all of the intangibles. You know, he can make 310 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: the throws. What it comes down to for me is 311 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: is decision making and does he grow in the area 312 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: of decision making and you know, just getting the football 313 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: out when it needs to when it needs to be 314 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: out of his hands. And the flip side of that 315 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 1: is is basically eating it, you know, when when he 316 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,679 Speaker 1: shouldn't throw it. And I think, I think if he 317 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:18,880 Speaker 1: grows in those areas, it's the then I think, then 318 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 1: I think you'll see real progress from him in Yeah, 319 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: I agree. I think that's a really good point. What 320 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: are some of the things that you would like to 321 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 1: see from the offense in its second year from a 322 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:34,679 Speaker 1: schematic standpoint, Well, I think I think that the big 323 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: thing for me obviously they didn't make enough explosive place 324 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 1: and some of that is about talent. Some of that 325 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,120 Speaker 1: is about the offensive line, you know, some of that 326 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 1: is maybe you know, maybe about the receivers. But I 327 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: think you need to see the ball get down the 328 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: field a little bit more, you know. But the other 329 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: thing that I would like to see is I would 330 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,360 Speaker 1: like to see a little bit more motion in that offense, 331 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: a little bit more pre snap movement, not as much, 332 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:08,679 Speaker 1: you know, just sort of line up and play, you know, 333 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: give give Daniel Jones a little bit more information, give 334 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,679 Speaker 1: the defense a little bit more to think about. I 335 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 1: would hope that we see a little bit more variety, 336 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: and I in all honesty, I think we will because 337 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: I know there are a lot of people out there 338 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: who are who are really down on Jason Garrett, who 339 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: were really disappointed in him last year, and and and 340 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,120 Speaker 1: I still think there are people who are like, oh, 341 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 1: he's the former Dallas Cowboys head coach, why did we 342 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: hire him? You know? But I think that that Garrett 343 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 1: was in a bad spot last year. I mean, with 344 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 1: with no preseason, with no real offseason program, with very 345 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: limited training camp, with a young quarterback and a young 346 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: offensive line, it was very difficult to to really get 347 00:18:56,280 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 1: to know his players and to really install maybe the 348 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:02,719 Speaker 1: full array of what he might have wanted to do. 349 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 1: I think he's got a better shot at doing that 350 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: this year. Yeah, I agree, And we should mention you 351 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 1: talked about the explosive plays, and there is a potential 352 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: Kenny gality issue he left practice today. We don't know 353 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 1: the details of that as per this recording, which is 354 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 1: why we haven't mentioned it. We don't have the information 355 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: and we don't want to say something that ends up 356 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,120 Speaker 1: changing in in a day or a few hours after 357 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 1: this goes up. So we'll see what happens with that. 358 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 1: But you know, they certainly assuming Barkley gets back, and 359 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 1: I think both of us think that, you know, if 360 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: he's not back in week wanted will be shortly thereafter. 361 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: You can give your opinion on that too, is that 362 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 1: this offensive line can can just creep towards average. They 363 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 1: have enough around Daniel Jones where this offense should be 364 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,679 Speaker 1: able to significantly increase I would say, maybe even almost 365 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: a touchdown a game from where they were last year. 366 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: I think that's that's probably what should be the goal, 367 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,919 Speaker 1: to be honest with you look at it, If you 368 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: look at it. I studied this a little bit during 369 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: the off season. Giants scored seven team point one points 370 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: per game last year. League average was right around and 371 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 1: and with the exception of one or two teams, all 372 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: of the playoff teams hit league average or above. I 373 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 1: think there might have only been one team that was 374 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 1: below league average, you know, offensively. So if you're looking 375 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: at league average, you've got to get to twenty five 376 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 1: points a game, and and that should be doable, you know, 377 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,959 Speaker 1: with with the weapons that the Giants have, that should 378 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,360 Speaker 1: be doable. I don't see any reason to expect regression 379 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 1: from the Giants defense. I think, if anything, it should 380 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 1: be even better. So if you can get to league 381 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 1: average on offense, I think you have a chance to 382 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: be a really, really good team. How do you see 383 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: the NFC East breaking down this year. To me, Philly 384 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: probably has some more to do, but otherwise it's wide 385 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: open with those with the giants Dallas and Washington. Oh, 386 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 1: I would agree, John. You know, the thing about Dallas, 387 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: everybody looks at Dallas and there are there are a 388 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: lot of people that want to say, oh, because Dak 389 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 1: Prescott is back, They're they're the obvious favorite. You know, 390 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: They've got they've got quite a few talented wide receivers. 391 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: They've got a new defensive coordinator you know who, hopefully 392 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: from a Dallas perspective, they hope he'll improve what was 393 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: a really awful unit last year. The thing about the 394 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:38,640 Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys is they never seemed to be They never 395 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,439 Speaker 1: seemed to to equal to some of their parts. They 396 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: never seemed to be what people think they should be. 397 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,679 Speaker 1: So I have a hard time trusting, you know, that 398 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 1: the Cowboys are gonna be what people think they're gonna be. 399 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: You know. And and for me that the team that 400 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: I that I worry about a lot is that is 401 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: is Washington, just because of the defense that they've built, 402 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: and they've got enough offense if they get you know, 403 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 1: good quarterback play from Ryan Fitzpatrick, they've got enough offense 404 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 1: that they could be a really good football team. That 405 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: the question for me is is what are you gonna 406 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: get from Fitzpatrick? Because you're you're kind of asking Ryan 407 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick to be something that he hasn't been in the 408 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: first seventeen years of his career, you know. So, so 409 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: I have a hard time trusting that he's the answer 410 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: in Washington. But but but I I agree with you. 411 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,880 Speaker 1: I think between the Giants and Washington and Dallas, it's 412 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: it's wide open, should be really really interesting. I also 413 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: think you're gonna get to the end of the year 414 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: and you're gonna look at the NFC East and you're 415 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: gonna think, you know, a year ago, everybody thought how 416 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 1: bad the division was. I don't think the division is 417 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: gonna be gonna be nearly that bad this year. I 418 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: think it's gonna be a very representative group of teams. 419 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: How many wins you think you need to win it? Ten? Yeah, 420 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 1: I think that's I think can Yeah, I agree, I 421 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: you know, and and and you know, my my gut feeling, 422 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,199 Speaker 1: you know, my gut feeling. John says that that based 423 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: on the roster that the Giants have, you know, they're 424 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: they're they're eight nine win team, you know, but if 425 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:28,679 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones can step up and and and you know, 426 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: I think it might be somewhat unfair for people to 427 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 1: expect a a Josh Allen type leap from Daniel Jones. 428 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:40,400 Speaker 1: That's what everybody talks about. But if he can play good, 429 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 1: solid football, maybe the Giants can get to ten wins. 430 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 1: It's certainly on the table. Ed, great stuff, my friend, 431 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: good talking to you. The floor is yours. 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