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Speaker 1: This is straight Fire with Jason McIntyre.

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Speaker 2: What is a fire, Fayan, It's me Jason McIntyre, Straight

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Speaker 2: Bowyer for Thursday, June the fifth, It's officially NBA Finals Day.

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Speaker 3: Game one.

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Speaker 2: Feels like it's been forever since the East and West

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Speaker 2: Conference finals ended mercifully can I say, well, specifically in

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Speaker 2: the West. But we get the finals tonight live from Okay.

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Speaker 1: See.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be a scene obviously, And you know it's funny.

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Speaker 2: We had this Greek guest lined up, Henry Abbott from

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Speaker 2: True who he used to be a GUESPN. He's done

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Speaker 2: a lot of stuff. He is super interesting dude, and

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Speaker 2: I was like, oh, we can maybe ask him some

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Speaker 2: final stuff and we just got talking and as you'll hear,

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Speaker 2: we pretty quickly just moved away from the finals and

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Speaker 2: got into the offseason. It's some interesting stuff. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Like again, I don't want to take any more heat.

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Speaker 2: I'm just not geeked for the Finals. I have zero

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Speaker 2: dollars wagered so far. The bets that I have circled

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Speaker 2: Indye to win the series four to two is plus

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Speaker 2: ten forty. That could be a nice littleay day. I

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Speaker 2: can't imagine that India would win Game seven. So if

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Speaker 2: you're gonna pick India to win, they're not gonna win

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Speaker 2: in four. Obviously. I don't see them winning in five.

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Speaker 2: If they're gonna win in anything, it would be six.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a long shot. And plus ten forty

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Speaker 2: is the long shot you did just for the f

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Speaker 2: of it. I had someone it doesn't matter which team

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Speaker 2: to break the Cavs record of fifty points in a quarter.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that there's gonna be a lot of

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Speaker 2: stops here on either side. It's the two of the

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Speaker 2: faster teams in the league, tempo pace, why not plus

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Speaker 2: twenty nine hundred? Again, these are long shots. Some pizza

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Speaker 2: money in June, guys, And I am circling three pointers

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Speaker 2: because Okac is okay cutting off the lane, not letting

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Speaker 2: Haliburton get in the lane, but giving up corner threes. Well,

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Speaker 2: Jade McDaniel's spotty on those, Michael Porter was injured, and

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Speaker 2: Denver couldn't hit those. And I just wonder if Indiana,

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Speaker 2: which is shooting better from three than any other team

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Speaker 2: in the NBA, if siak I'm gonna go nuclear, Couldnee

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Speaker 2: Smith hit a few?

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: About Obi Toppin, but you just you know nemhard. They

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Speaker 2: got four starters hitting over forty percent for three in

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Speaker 2: the playoffs, like Miles Turner could go postal. So I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna be circling three pointers and just a few long shots. Ultimately,

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Speaker 2: I've said this all week. It feels like thunder and

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Speaker 2: four or Pacers pull a shocking upset. I think if

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Speaker 2: you're looking for the content space, obviously rooting Pacers and

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Speaker 2: then Okaz Panics. Do they get Yannis? Do they get

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Speaker 2: Kevin Durant, that that's the obvious rooting interest. So without

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Speaker 2: further ado, let's get to our guests. Henry Abbot, mister

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Speaker 2: true hoop.

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Speaker 1: You know a guy Jason likes to think he knows

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Speaker 1: everything when it comes to sports.

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Speaker 2: I know what sports fans want, but for.

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Speaker 1: Everything he doesn't. He knows a guy who does.

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Speaker 3: Let's just say I know a guy who knows the

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Speaker 3: guy who knows another guy.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's welcome into straight fire. Guy we haven't

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Speaker 2: talked to in a minute, but he's got some interesting

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Speaker 2: insight on the NBA finals. Henry Abbott, true hoop legend.

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Speaker 2: He's been everywhere in sports and media. Henry how you doing,

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Speaker 2: my man.

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Speaker 3: I'm great, great, what's going on over there?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't complain, although it seems like I'm complaining

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Speaker 2: about no super team in the NBA finals. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: have our seventh champion in the last seven years. I

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Speaker 2: don't know, you know, you look at the league from

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Speaker 2: a big picture in this whole, like, hey, we want

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Speaker 2: the small markets to keep their guys. We want the

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Speaker 2: big market spenders to pay the second a print. I

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Speaker 2: just don't know if this is the best strategy, Henry.

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Speaker 3: I want to say this respectfully, like I don't care

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Speaker 3: about any of that. I want the teams to be

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Speaker 3: and it's been pissed me off for my whole career,

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Speaker 3: like they just do so many like the Suns right

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Speaker 3: now are a laughing stock. I mean, it's so amateur

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Speaker 3: I like these two teams. I don't care what size

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Speaker 3: model franchises. This is what your local team can emulate.

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Speaker 3: You're not gonna get Lebron and Luca and your team. Sorry, right,

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Speaker 3: them and you know, Rick Carlisle has a very real

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Speaker 3: and defined system we're referring to as blurball. Kennye Atkinson

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Speaker 3: went off about it after the Casure Limited, like, there's

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Speaker 3: a reason that the nixt loss is because they wore the

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Speaker 3: hell out of those stars with a system of they

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Speaker 3: aren't even good players like Obie Toppins, not great, but

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Speaker 2: Really he's solid.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's solid, and you know, but the plus minus

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Speaker 3: is bad on him. Right. The Knicks have a better roster,

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Speaker 3: but they got out coached because they got those you know,

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Speaker 3: Carl Anthony Towns and Jalleen Munson running all over the place.

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Speaker 3: There's metrics on this, and they were crap players at

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Speaker 3: the end of the every Knicks and qunch Time were

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Speaker 3: crap there. They turned it over as many times and

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Speaker 3: I had looked up before the last game, but four

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Speaker 2: Wow, And it felt like they were the opposite against Boston,

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Speaker 2: right coming back from down twenty.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, everyone thinks this like clutch thing is like part

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Speaker 3: of your character. No, like if you're just exhausted, there's

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I guess it's less about you know, small market.

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Speaker 2: I should I should refrace. I don't care like that

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Speaker 2: they teamed up in Cleveland. I just want the stars together,

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Speaker 2: you know, I don't know if Miami's a bigger small market.

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Speaker 2: I just I like it when stars are playing together.

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Speaker 2: Kevin Durant became and it seems like for some reason Henry.

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Speaker 2: Anytime somebody who plays in one market and then leaves

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Speaker 2: via free agency or demands a trade, he's instantly a villain.

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Speaker 2: Anthony Davis was vilified for going to the Lakers. They

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Speaker 2: won a title. That team was fun, you know, kd

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Speaker 2: Okay see the Golden State, lebron To the Heat Forms,

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Speaker 2: the Heats like those were the teams I was really

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Speaker 2: ramped up about. Like, I don't know, my wife doesn't

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Speaker 2: have plans for us for these finals on Thursday, but

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Speaker 2: I can see myself easily backing out on watching Game

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Speaker 3: Maybe we're also just in a much needed generational shift, right,

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Speaker 3: like those guys are old, Like Katie's never going to

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Speaker 3: lead a title team again, Lebron's never going to tell

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Speaker 3: It's over. We got to say goodbye. There's hardly any

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Speaker 3: I think I looked it up at some ridiculous number,

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Speaker 3: like like six percent of the NBA. Don't quote me

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Speaker 3: but I think sixer sentday is thirty one or older.

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Speaker 2: And that's it.

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Speaker 3: One one point five percent of the NBA is good

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Speaker 3: and over thirty one Like it's those are we just

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Speaker 3: take this at that age. Like the players who are

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Speaker 3: their twenties. Like this whole who's gonna get k it

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Speaker 3: those guys are, but they also come with Supermax contracts,

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Speaker 3: which just that's why the Sun suck. It's because they

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Speaker 3: you're much better off having you know, Tyre's Halliburton because

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Speaker 3: he can't make as much as Lebron right, and.

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Speaker 2: He's like, oh, that's the take right there. I had

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Speaker 2: not heard that angle. So what are you saying, Like

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Speaker 2: the market for KD is what exactly?

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Speaker 3: Oh, some I'm going all over pay him because he's KD, right,

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Speaker 3: But like, but it's just I don't think you can

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Speaker 3: But like you're you're around thirty and players speak at

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Speaker 2: Like you don't want Damian Lillard, like you know what

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Speaker 3: Like it's like it's but everybody, all we do all

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Speaker 3: it's like, oh, you should have been getting tires Haliburt

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Speaker 3: Like we're all focused on the wrong things.

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Speaker 2: Right, Like it was like chasing Paul George is a

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Speaker 2: fools errands be worse?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, could not be a worse idea as far

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Speaker 2: Like you're too, so if you were, you know, you

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Speaker 2: please do it? You would say, let's pump the rights

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Speaker 3: That's an interesting one right there. That's a great question.

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Speaker 3: I look, maybe people who know more about me and

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Speaker 3: to give up a lot because it's the salary is

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Speaker 3: so big just to make the trade work. But it's

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Speaker 3: gonna be like Steven Adams and Jalen Green. I don't know,

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Speaker 3: I don't know, like but shng Gooon too, maybe yeah, probably, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's a hard one.

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Speaker 2: But is that too much If you make that trade.

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Speaker 3: And you now think that just we're gonna win, we're

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Speaker 3: be opposed to that trade. But I do think it's like,

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Speaker 3: you know, Jannis has had one significant injury, which was

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Speaker 3: The next few years we'll have more like it's just

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Speaker 3: all that and then he's out for a year or

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Speaker 3: six months or two months like or the playoffs like

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Speaker 3: I I would for me, I would be very stingy

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Speaker 3: with trading Shengoon. I would trade Jaaling Green because I

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Speaker 3: thin he's I'm not sure he's gonna like I'm sure

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Speaker 3: he's gonna blossom quite the way you want to. He might,

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Speaker 3: but you know, they don't want better than I do.

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Speaker 2: So do you think the Warriors made a mistake trading

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Speaker 3: Like that's up to you. But right now, you can

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Speaker 3: The only way Lakers got out because Lebron decided to come, right,

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Speaker 3: But they probably won't have that, right, You're just it's

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Speaker 3: How's this?

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Speaker 2: So Curry is went to Davidson obviously, and Charlotte has

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Speaker 2: You just said it's not smart to get a guy

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Speaker 2: you're now relevant, You're on TV, You're sold out every day. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it makes sense, right, I mean, I

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Speaker 2: Can you fix the Bucks for me? And like a

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Speaker 3: I think they're screwed. I'm totally honest, Like, there's this

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Speaker 2: So I think is it worth it, Henry? Sorry, Is

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Speaker 3: good athletic defensive team that he would fit in and

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00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:38,320
Speaker 3: make their good defense.

431
00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:39,560
Speaker 2: Even I don't have the shooting.

432
00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:41,800
Speaker 3: Really, they don't like he can't solve that?

433
00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:45,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, what about like not as sexy but like a

434
00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:49,399
Speaker 2: Chicago They have no big salaries on the books. The

435
00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,120
Speaker 2: problem is Jianna is ain't gonna win there, right would

436
00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:52,719
Speaker 2: he be pissed?

437
00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:58,280
Speaker 3: He's a the team. So my true Hohop partner, David

438
00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,960
Speaker 3: Thorpe has thought about this more than anyone. To him,

439
00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,840
Speaker 3: the proper landing place for you, honest is Oklahoma City.

440
00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:08,560
Speaker 3: Oh stoping? Come on. They got infinite assets to trade

441
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,359
Speaker 3: and they have shooters everywhere, and they play the super

442
00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,440
Speaker 3: lovely defense like they're gonna win everything for.

443
00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:15,960
Speaker 2: A long Okay, but but hold on, hold on, I

444
00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:20,040
Speaker 2: haven't read mister Thorpe's piece, But what star am I

445
00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:23,920
Speaker 2: getting SGA in this deal? Obviously not thunder SGA like

446
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:27,040
Speaker 2: Clipper SGA, what star am I getting? And how many picks?

447
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,720
Speaker 3: I mean they have fifteen picks to trade.

448
00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, but again I don't want to be I don't

449
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,639
Speaker 2: want to just be making picks all the time. I

450
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:37,760
Speaker 2: need I need a player or two, like the way

451
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:42,040
Speaker 2: the MAVs got Anthony Davis and a young Max Christy.

452
00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:43,920
Speaker 2: Now they got no picks, which is kind of embarrassing.

453
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:47,080
Speaker 2: But I'll tell you right now, I don't want j

454
00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:49,400
Speaker 2: Dub because I gotta pay him.

455
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,399
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess I would say, like the thunder

456
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,920
Speaker 3: are like the Chase Manhattan Bank, they have the most

457
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,359
Speaker 3: of everything, and like or you want to make a

458
00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,919
Speaker 3: deal with like Bob's Bank, right, like this is the

459
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 3: big store of assets. Like I don't know exactly what

460
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,359
Speaker 3: the combination would be. You honestly, you probably have to

461
00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:10,479
Speaker 3: include like some of those bigger salaries like Caruso. Yeah,

462
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,359
Speaker 3: but I think you know you probably end up like

463
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:17,440
Speaker 3: chet Holmgren, Hartenstein, Dort, something like that, and and then

464
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,399
Speaker 3: a gazillion picks.

465
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,120
Speaker 2: G gets Janis. I would I would take chit as

466
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:24,160
Speaker 2: a as a building block.

467
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 3: I would too.

468
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,959
Speaker 2: I don't caruse so I guess I don't know.

469
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 3: Oh he's so good.

470
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 2: I love is good when he's surrounded by awesome guys

471
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,440
Speaker 2: like the Lakers in here. How was he in Chicago?

472
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:38,960
Speaker 3: You know? I mean he was great, but they sucked.

473
00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:40,679
Speaker 3: That's just that's not his fault, you know.

474
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it feels like he's being pumped up a

475
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 2: little bit because he's surrounded, Like, hey man, you don't

476
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 2: have to do much. Just go out there and be

477
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,679
Speaker 2: a pest, you know. And he was amazing defensively against Yo.

478
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:55,920
Speaker 2: Can he be your third best player on a contender?

479
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 3: I don't know. It depends the word best means, I guess,

480
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 3: but I feel like, you know, if you want to

481
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 3: have the best defense in the NBA, you want him, right.

482
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,479
Speaker 3: You're so much better with him than without him, right,

483
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,440
Speaker 3: He just in in the advanced metrics. He's literally the

484
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 3: best defender in the NBA right now.

485
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 2: So outside of Okac, does anyone make sense for your honest?

486
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,159
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't. I think Houston will do it.

487
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,920
Speaker 3: But I could see the argument for Houston, right they're

488
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 3: they I think they wouldn't. They wouldn't. How many games

489
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:30,919
Speaker 3: did they win?

490
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:32,920
Speaker 2: These about fifty games?

491
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 3: I mean the playoffs like two?

492
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, an offense was an issue.

493
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,439
Speaker 3: So like they have this they're they're the there's this

494
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,440
Speaker 3: team that's allegedly like on the rise, they're coming now

495
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,199
Speaker 3: and they're maybe not coming now. So to me, like

496
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 3: they might be worth checking it up a little bit, right.

497
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 2: Well no, no, wait, they won three because it went

498
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 2: to game seven and they guess it was a game seven.

499
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So I.

500
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Speaker 2: Would would you do Jalen Green, Shengon and you know

501
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 2: three number ones?

502
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 3: I wouldn't.

503
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 2: You would not wow? See, I guess the logic is, hey,

504
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 2: man Reed Shepherd, he's getting he's goett next. We don't

505
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 2: lose that much. Tarry Easton is cheap and very good.

506
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 2: Who's the other young oh Jabari Smith? They still have

507
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 2: who is ascending? The problem is I don't know who

508
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 2: they're who. The clear two is it might be a

509
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 2: men Thompson, Right, he's so good?

510
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I I The Thunder have this other lesson, which

511
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,160
Speaker 3: is just get better, just grow, you know so many

512
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 3: This is one of the most incredible dorky things I know.

513
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 3: So lou Dort was the fourth best defender in the

514
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:44,400
Speaker 3: Advanced Stats last year on the Thunder. He did not change.

515
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 3: He stayed exactly where he was and now he's the

516
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:50,159
Speaker 3: tenth best in the advanced stats because everybody else just

517
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 3: got better.

518
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:53,439
Speaker 2: That's what what metric is.

519
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 3: That defensive EPM, So like dunks and threes. This guy

520
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 3: Taylor Starr made like think it's probably the best, like

521
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 3: one number status who's doing well? But yeah, he I

522
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 3: mean that was they also they brought in Cruso and Harnstein,

523
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 3: who are you know, also better? But all these like

524
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 3: Isaiah Joe and Cason Wallace, like they went from okay

525
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 3: defenders to really good defenders, which is why the Thunder

526
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 3: probably went a championship.

527
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do wonder and again I haven't. I just

528
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 2: went to dunks and threes. But I don't have a

529
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 2: lug in anyways, how much of that Henry is because hey,

530
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:30,120
Speaker 2: these guys Keyson Wallace, Isaiah Joe, they're playing like twenty

531
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,640
Speaker 2: twenty five minutes a game as opposed to thirty five

532
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 2: to forty in the playoffs like most of the other stars.

533
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 2: It's not that hard to be full on energy. We

534
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 2: had Dave mcmhaman on and he said an NBA player

535
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 2: told him the Thunder were the best college basketball team

536
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,880
Speaker 2: in the NBA because they had like ten guys, all

537
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 2: young and all just running full tilt the whole time.

538
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 2: And I don't want to say the numbers are deceptive,

539
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,360
Speaker 2: because the numbers are the numbers, but it's like they're

540
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 2: so deep that it makes them like the Knicks. Right,

541
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 2: we saw them We're down against the Pacers. We saw

542
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 2: the Lakers who had no bench against the Thunder just

543
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 2: totally collapse three times in the clutch.

544
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 3: Thunder really aren't.

545
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 2: Collapsing in the clutch because they got twelve guys and

546
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 2: everybody's fresh all the time. Is that Is that fair

547
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 2: as a counter or no?

548
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 3: I mean that's the strategy, right, Teams aren't doing that?

549
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:25,120
Speaker 3: What the fuck are you doing?

550
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,880
Speaker 2: Right? Likely, he's like big done.

551
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,400
Speaker 3: The game is gonna be played at the highest speed

552
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,439
Speaker 3: in the history of the game. Like if you have

553
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 3: a thirty nine year old star and you're plan to

554
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 3: play in forty one minutes, you're going to lose great period, Right,

555
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 3: So you need to have Isaiah Joe, Right, this is

556
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 3: the strategy. What's your strategy? This is why tomp throw

557
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 3: got fired, right, Like, what's your strategy? Develop your eighth, ninth, tenth,

558
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 3: eleventh players? Like, if you're just gonna start playing game

559
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 3: three these commerce finals, What the hell is way too late? Right?

560
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:59,239
Speaker 3: Like plan now for game one next year, right, Like

561
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 3: we need to have eleven guys, Like this is what

562
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 3: we're learning, Like you need to run really fast and

563
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 3: jump really high, Like that's what you're gonna need.

564
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 2: And it hasn't always been that way, right because people

565
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 2: are like, oh, nobody in the NBA plays defense. Nobody,

566
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 2: you know, interesting.

567
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 3: Little pest conference. He's like, he's like they have an

568
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 3: intensity measure in Cleveland. He's like an Indiana's way up here.

569
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 3: He's like the rest of the league is down here.

570
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 3: He's like, we're like top five and we're like here,

571
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 3: but Indiana is like off the charts because they're playing

572
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 3: Obi Toppen and they're playing these guys who like, they're

573
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 3: not playing them because they're super good. They're playing them

574
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 3: because they're gonna wear you out and it's super effective.

575
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 3: It's gonna come into the finals.

576
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,719
Speaker 2: So wait to say, how do you measure intensity? I

577
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 2: that's that's just the thing that's hard. I mean, I

578
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 2: guess like I wear a whoop. I don't you know

579
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 2: you have one of those things.

580
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,360
Speaker 3: I don't wear one, but I know what you're talking

581
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 3: about it.

582
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like it can say, hey man, you're going

583
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 2: super hard. Uh, you know, I played volleyball and like

584
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 2: a max out of like one seventy five, but basketball,

585
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 2: I'm up to one eighty five, one to ninety and

586
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 2: so I guess that means my intensity is higher. But

587
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 2: how are they they.

588
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 3: This company's second spectrum. Second Spectrum has like cameras in

589
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 3: the ceiling of every NBA arena And I'm not sure

590
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 3: what the special sauce is for the Cleveland version, but

591
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 3: the raw material of it is, you know, you can

592
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 3: see how fast is Jalen Brunson. That's his burst of acceleration,

593
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 3: and you know how much is he cutting? And is

594
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 3: he hitting people? And like you know, you can kind

595
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 3: of they have some way they're tracking it, which is

596
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 3: like their workload. And I guess you can you know,

597
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,199
Speaker 3: according to Kenny, it's not even close. You can see that,

598
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 3: you know, the Pacers are just going way harder than

599
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 3: everybody else, which is exactly They're two years into doing this.

600
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 3: They did this last year in the playoffs too, right,

601
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 3: and yeah, and it works.

602
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606
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 2: Zion Williamson, what do you do Henry.

607
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 3: Not trade for him?

608
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 2: Like they got to? I mean, obviously he's got a

609
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 2: lot of legal issues swirling. Now we'll see what happens there,

610
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 2: but there was already talk they could move off him.

611
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 2: I mean they're a bit of a mess with the

612
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 2: Dejanta Murray injury. CJ McCollums making a lot, Zion Like,

613
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 2: I don't know where these guys are gonna go. You

614
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 2: said everybody needs to shed salary, but like, yeah, easier

615
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 2: said than done. I mean Trey Murphy, Holy cow, he's

616
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 2: making twenty five mil next year and he's only the

617
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 2: fourth highest paid guy of the team.

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00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, no, they're they're a mess. So I just

619
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 3: wrote a book called Ballistic, which is about injury prevention, right,

620
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,959
Speaker 3: And there's this this slab in Santa Barbara where they

621
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 3: take people like Zion Wimpson and fix them with like

622
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 3: super intense biomechanical examination, and they'll get to like the

623
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 3: root cause of why design keep getting hurt, And let's

624
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 3: train that little oddity of movement rather than just catch

625
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 3: each thing as it breaks. I feel like there's hope

626
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 3: that he could discover what his upstream issue is that's

627
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 3: causing he obviously has some kind of funky movement, right,

628
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 3: He's not landing well, and you know most non content

629
00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 3: injuries are caused by landing, you know, so maybe you know,

630
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 3: he could go there and they would save him. That

631
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 3: would be my best help, my best hope for him. Oh,

632
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 3: he's done a bunch of crazy training, right. There are

633
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 3: these pictures of him like at midnight in the summer

634
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 3: on the asphalt, like doing his training, and like that's

635
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 3: that worked when he was sixteen. It really did because

636
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 3: he was sixteen, right, And it doesn't work when you're

637
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 3: twenty six. So I would not I would you. It's

638
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 3: sort of like Ben Simmons to me, Like I thought

639
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 3: Ben Simmons was a super good player in phillyday. Would

640
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 3: you trade for him?

641
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 2: Like?

642
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 3: Is he okay? Can he run? Can he jump?

643
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 2: You know, I don't think he nobody's touching him. Let

644
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 2: me go to the Knicks real quick. You saw the

645
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 2: numbers in the in the series against the Pacers with

646
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 2: Brunson and Towns. The Pacers found a hack. The Knicks

647
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 2: are very susceptible. So the Knicks started to split them up.

648
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 2: Things got a little better, but it was a little

649
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 2: too late. Do you need to move on from one

650
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 2: or the other?

651
00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 3: I thought they were good. I was willing bestpa Town,

652
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 3: to be honest, I thought that he just got ferocious

653
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 3: in a way that we haven't seen before. And I

654
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 3: was like, this is pretty effective. You know, he's not

655
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 3: the same guy he used to be. And I think

656
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 3: that pretty committed to Brunson now, not just because he's

657
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 3: been good, but because, like, this is a family thing.

658
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 3: You know, William Wesley de facto runs the Knicks, and

659
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 3: Rick Brunson was his first client dozens of years ago,

660
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 3: and they've been together forever. Right, There's no way they're

661
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 3: training on Brinton. I just don't see that happening. So

662
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 3: I think the moving on from Thibodeau thing is really

663
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 3: about can we just get eleven to twelve guys so

664
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 3: that those guys aren't so exhausted at the end and

665
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 3: cracking their knees on the floor and limping around and

666
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 3: looking so like.

667
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 2: A I'm sure Thibodeau would counter with, well, wait a second, Henry,

668
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 2: We've got eleven guys. Leon Rose. We got a great roster.

669
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 2: Tibbs just didn't play him and then Tis would come

670
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,719
Speaker 2: back as those guys can't really contribute. Tyler Kolek I

671
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 2: like him a lot. Is he ready, the Da da

672
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 2: or whatever his name is, the French kid? Is he ready?

673
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 2: And and you know Landry Shammitt and Delon right, if

674
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 2: that's banking me on winning the series, I'm cooked? You

675
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 2: know that. I think that's what he would.

676
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 3: Respond with, Yeah, he would. But two things. One is

677
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 3: last year he didn't play Alec Burks for months and

678
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 3: then they had so many injuries they needed and then

679
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 3: he was good, Like well, now we know he could

680
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 3: have been better if you guys been building trust with

681
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 3: them for months leading up to this. That's the problem

682
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 3: is like Landry Shammitt was good actually in these playoffs,

683
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 3: but he just came out of he came out of

684
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 3: moth balls for Game three. Like Rick Carlisle has been

685
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,239
Speaker 3: taking your Landry Shammitz or actually your Obie Topping and

686
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 3: making him good like all year long, right, Like you

687
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 3: got to like integrate them and build trusts and have

688
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 3: them so he knows who's gonna cut where. And like

689
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 3: Obie Top and hit the Big Three because he like

690
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 3: made eye contact with the inbounder and like slipped away

691
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 3: and like like you know, they they they've been doing this, right,

692
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 3: This is what they do for a living, is these

693
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 3: players together. And like Landry Shamitt, no one used to

694
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 3: playing with him on the knicks like he's been he

695
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 3: hasn't played right and I feel like this just too little,

696
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 3: too late from Thibodeaux and he doesn't really believe in them, right.

697
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 3: He was forced from going down oh two to haul

698
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 3: a couple of guys off the bench that he never

699
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 3: would have wanted to play, right. It wasn't even that much.

700
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 3: It was like after game four, I think I looked

701
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 3: it up, like you know those two guys sham It

702
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 3: and who else did you mention? I almost forget his name?

703
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 2: Dylan did right?

704
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, Dylan, Right, They've played like twenty three minutes total each.

705
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 3: It's like whoop did damn? Do you know? Like it

706
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 3: was like it just didn't play that much. Mostly it

707
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 3: was Kat and and Jalen will save us and then

708
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 3: Dylan got so tired he had the head. But Andrew Nemhart, Yeah,

709
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 3: he was very frustrated.

710
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 2: I like where you're coming from Henry. I just, first

711
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 2: of all, have you consulted for any NBA teams yet?

712
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 3: Well? No, I've never been paid for that. But I

713
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 3: do get phone calls sometimes from coaches and stuff who

714
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 3: want to know about this kind of stuff.

715
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and when you say some of this, and I'm

716
00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 2: assuming they consider it dramatic sweeping suggestions, what's usually the response, like, Bro,

717
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 2: you're crazy or no.

718
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 3: I think like Kenny Atkins, I really think it's worth

719
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 3: watching Kenny Atkinson's press conference after the Habs got kicked out,

720
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 3: and he was like, this is just the league we

721
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 3: live in now, Like we have to be able to

722
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 3: keep up with these pacers who are up here, and

723
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 3: we don't have a way to train that. We haven't

724
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 3: figured out how to train that hard. You can't train,

725
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 3: you can't simulate that game in practice because Rick Carlos

726
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 3: has had the Pacers practicing something that people haven't done

727
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 3: in basketball before, and so like, this is what you

728
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 3: got to figure out. This is your challenge now. If

729
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 3: you can't figured out, you're going to lose to them, right,

730
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 3: And so I assume the whole legal figured out, But

731
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 3: I don't think you're gonna figure it out with thirty

732
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 3: nine year old players.

733
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, damn, so that sounds bleak. I guess we could

734
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 2: wrap up with sorry, are you know? I know the

735
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 2: Lakers have an old guy in Lebron, but they have

736
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 2: a transcendent player in Luca.

737
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

738
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 2: Is there a world where they're just a player away

739
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 2: with a rim running big, a rim protector. I'm just

740
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 2: gonna nick Claxton whatever.

741
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 3: As a Blazer fan, I think as you guys should

742
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:05,399
Speaker 3: get DeAndre Aiden.

743
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 2: Come. By the way, are you friends with that guy

744
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 2: at the Blazers who was at ESPN? I'm spacing on

745
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 2: his Tom Harristrow. Is he with the Blazers?

746
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's on the Blazer podcast now?

747
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, no, I'm at the Brazer front office.

748
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I know I was talking about.

749
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:23,439
Speaker 2: He's the international.

750
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 3: Scout guy, Mike Schmitz Schmidtz Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I

751
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 3: know that guy. I've known that guy for a long time. Yep.

752
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 2: So I don't know what they're doing. I look at

753
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 2: Portland and like they seem to be, like you said,

754
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 2: all over the place. The eight and move was just goofy.

755
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 2: They haven't moved off Jeremy Grant. It doesn't seem like

756
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 2: they have a plan in place for the Shaden Sharp,

757
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 2: Scoot Henderson and Ferny Simon's thing. Do you know what's

758
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 2: happening in Portland?

759
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 3: You know, I this will be yet another surprise. I

760
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 3: think they're doing a great job. Yeah, they happen. So

761
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,720
Speaker 3: nobody wanted their Jeremy Green, right, nobody wanted their Anthony

762
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 3: Simons at the price they wanted. But as I mentioned,

763
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 3: the whole league wants to reduce salary and those are

764
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,240
Speaker 3: all becoming expiring contracts now, so they're going their value

765
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 3: will go up, not down, right, So so they you know, yeah,

766
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 3: I think they thought they were going to get something

767
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 3: great for them a year ago and they didn't, so

768
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 3: swinging a miss. But but now like there, Jeremy Grant

769
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 3: is still has years, Jeremy S.

770
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:29,760
Speaker 2: Grant still has but Aighton's expiring next season, Simons is expiring,

771
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 2: Robert Williams, Matthias Thibel, he has a player option. So

772
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:36,959
Speaker 2: they're going to be moving losing some dudes. But here's

773
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 2: my thing, So I get it, nobody wanted your dude.

774
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 2: So essentially, did you hunt on a full year Henry No?

775
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 3: Because I okay, here's the part that drives me crazy.

776
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 3: Is like even Blazer fans aren't thinking about this. But

777
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 3: I'm telling you as someone who runs a business with

778
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,760
Speaker 3: the guy who invented private player development coaching and basketball,

779
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:59,439
Speaker 3: David Thorpe. Like players improving player development is very rare

780
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 3: in the NBA, Like players don't take big leaps. But

781
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 3: but the Blazers are getting better Chauncy Beilts. I was

782
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 3: not a fan when that hired him. I thought the

783
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 3: sexual assault thing was very poorly handled. But the fact is,

784
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 3: go look year over year, those Blazers, those young Blazers

785
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 3: have gotten way better. The second half of the year,

786
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 3: they were top five defense. Like I actually think that

787
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 3: they're they're copying this Pacers model, Like they're gonna have

788
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 3: this crazy Timani Kamara Denny of DIA, like matis stible.

789
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 3: This a crazy high energy defense they have going is

790
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 3: is gonna be a problem for the league. And we'll

791
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 3: see if Shade and Shop develops, We'll see who they

792
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 3: get with the eleventh pick, Like, we'll see how the

793
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 3: how the offense goes. But I like the improvement they've

794
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 3: already done is a very rare jump that like like

795
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 3: like the like how long has Charlotte not done that?

796
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, like a long time.

797
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 2: So okay, first of all, I think some people just

798
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 2: heard the names you said and were like, come on,

799
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 2: those aren't real players, are they. I guess nobody pays

800
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 2: attention to the Blazers, But I will ask this, how

801
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 2: much of it is Camara and company kind of showing

802
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 2: well when none of the games mattered. They were playing

803
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 2: irrelevant games basically from the All Star break on, and

804
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 2: one could even argue, well, I don't know, were they tanking?

805
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 3: Would you say they actually didn't? So at the trade deadline,

806
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 3: Joe Cronin said that he didn't. They were on a

807
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 3: winning streak and they had they were in the mix

808
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 3: for the play in, and he said he didn't want

809
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 3: to mess up the team because they want to see

810
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 3: if they could make the plan and they fell a

811
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 3: little short. But I don't think they were. You know,

812
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 3: I actually think they're now, Like I don't think it's

813
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 3: time for them to trade for a big name player,

814
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 3: but I think it's they have enough, Like you kind

815
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 3: of know who's going to be there on their next

816
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 3: good right, there are some keepers in the mix.

817
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 2: Now, Okay, is there a world where the Bucks say, bro,

818
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,760
Speaker 2: we want to get off contracts. We want to bottom

819
00:38:53,760 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 2: out s Portland, give us your expirings. Eighton Simons, toss

820
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 2: in I don't know, Scoot or Sharp and then a

821
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 2: draft pick and then we'll give you honest and we'll

822
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 2: just be able to clean up our books that way,

823
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 2: as opposed to build something. We'd rather clean up our

824
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 2: books that we're not paying a luxury tax as opposed

825
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 2: to trying to contend. Is that like a pipe dream.

826
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 3: Well, there's a particular reason why the Bucks would call

827
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 3: that team, which is they Bucks who are going to

828
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 3: be bad soon want their picks back right. So the

829
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 3: Blazers are the team that has their picks right. So

830
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 3: they're one of the teams. Other teams have Bucks picks too,

831
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 3: traded away everything you can trade, so they might. But

832
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 3: it just it seems like such a schedule mismatch. Right,

833
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 3: you'd end up with you know, Giannis and the kids,

834
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 3: and Gianness is not gonna like that. Yeah, he seems

835
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 3: like close. It'd be so frustrating for everybody.

836
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 2: I kind of want to ask about Toronto, but I

837
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 2: just feel like that's total nonsense.

838
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 3: I don't really know what they're doing. I don't really

839
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 3: get it. Like, besides smart, I'm sure he knows more

840
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 3: than I do, but it seems like a little yeah

841
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 3: trade away scal was was bold and worked out really

842
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 3: well for Indiana. You know, they just they didn't get

843
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 3: they got, like Jonathan Magbo was one of those draft picks.

844
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 3: He seems like, maybe it'll be good, but they just

845
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 3: didn't get much they got. You know, they're a very

846
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 3: middling team. Now.

847
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of that in the league. All right.

848
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 2: Henry Abbott true who great stuff. The name of the

849
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 2: book he wrote was Ballistic.

850
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 3: Ballistic came out May sixth.

851
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 2: Wow.

852
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 3: Congrats man, Yeah, change look at me.

853
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 2: Just changed Zion's life, change science life.

854
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 3: There's a great that. One of my favorite little like

855
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,240
Speaker 3: blurb on the book is from Pablo Tory and it says,

856
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 3: if you have hips by this book.

857
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,399
Speaker 2: Pablo Torri he's that's that's a guy crushing Belichick these days.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's mixing it up out there. Yeah, he's like,

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Speaker 3: you know, yeah doing that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, buddy, Thanks a lot, Henry.

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Speaker 3: Thanks to Jason