WEBVTT - Harbaugh Rumors + Brian Kelly Weirdness + Surprise Over/Unders

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the solid verbal hell that for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that woo? Woof? And Dan and Tie welcome back

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<v Speaker 1>is Ty hilden Brand. That fine gentleman over there is

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<v Speaker 1>How you doing, brother? I'm pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>about after the fact. We've got I don't know, still

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<v Speaker 2>moves to be made on the coaching front, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think we still need to do a bit of digesting

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<v Speaker 1>A college football snake. Dan. There is so much news

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<v Speaker 1>and information we've swallowed it whole, yeah, and we're just

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<v Speaker 1>slowly digesting as it works its way through. Yeah. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's right. I don't know if that's the right

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<v Speaker 1>way to characterize what's going on right now, but that's

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's all sorts of great options. Where are we starting, though, Ty?

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<v Speaker 2>Where are we starting today's show? Because I think basically

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<v Speaker 2>through May mid May. I don't know when all of

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<v Speaker 2>the spring practices and games officially end, but we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to have portal stuff. We're going to have movement across

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<v Speaker 2>the sport, just because that's the nature of the sport.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now, where do you want to begin? At the

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<v Speaker 2>time of recording, Caleb Williams still has not officially selected

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<v Speaker 2>a team. Obviously, there's going to be La Smoke. Considering

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<v Speaker 2>Lincoln Riley's new home, there's going to be there was

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<v Speaker 2>Wisconsin Smoke, or maybe there still is Wisconsin smoke. Depending

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<v Speaker 2>on the reports that you choose to believe have credibility.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems like Wisconsin's out of it, but who knows.

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<v Speaker 2>They just hired what Bobby Ingram, who we talked about,

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<v Speaker 2>is the father of a teammate, and that teammate played

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<v Speaker 2>high school football in the DMV area. With with Caleb Williams,

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<v Speaker 2>you know there's still going to be that'saw LSU smoke involved.

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<v Speaker 2>I suppose with Caleb Williams, I don't know. At the

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<v Speaker 2>time of recording, he has not selected a destination. And

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<v Speaker 2>also tie the NFL SPECU relations with Jim Harbaugh vikings

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<v Speaker 2>interest Dolphins interests, despite mega Michigan donor and Dolphins owner

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<v Speaker 2>Stephen ross Uh saying that he was not going to

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<v Speaker 2>be the one to take Harbor off from Michigan. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>what is interesting to you is you know there's Jackson

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<v Speaker 2>Dart going to Ole Miss with Lane Kiffin. I just

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<v Speaker 2>I want to know is what is stirring your your

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<v Speaker 2>brain drink right now?

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<v Speaker 1>Well? The Jackson Dart news. To me, honestly, I was

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<v Speaker 1>relieved to see that he was going to Old Miss

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<v Speaker 1>because we talked about it on a show before it

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<v Speaker 1>made too much sense. Don't put yourself in the situation

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<v Speaker 1>if you're going to transfer out, if you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>try and maximize your value in your remaining eligibility, don't

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<v Speaker 1>go into a situation like Oklahoma where you've already got

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<v Speaker 1>another high profile transfer in Dylan Gabriel. Don't just don't

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<v Speaker 1>do that. Don't do that and not the same Old

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<v Speaker 1>Miss doesn't have other competition at quarterback. But right somebody

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<v Speaker 1>put the quote out there. He's not going to Old

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<v Speaker 1>Miss to just build depth on the depth chart. He's

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<v Speaker 1>going because he wants to start at quarterback, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's a good move. You combine that with some

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<v Speaker 1>of the other moves that Lane Kiffin's made of the

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<v Speaker 1>transfer portal. Lank Kiffin has made some hay on the

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<v Speaker 1>transfer portal. Ole Miss has done extremely well on the

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<v Speaker 1>transfer portal so far. So I like the move for

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<v Speaker 1>Jackson Dart. Jackson Dart former four star out of where

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<v Speaker 1>Utah draper Utah. I want to say, got a comp

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<v Speaker 1>to Alex Smith on his twenty four to seven recruiting profile,

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<v Speaker 1>which is all very very positive. Played six games for

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<v Speaker 1>USC last year, sixty two percent completion percentage, threw a

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<v Speaker 1>couple picks, but he was young. I think there's nothing

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<v Speaker 1>but incredible potential, incredible potential for Jackson Dark go into

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<v Speaker 1>Ole miss. I really like that move. But the Jim

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<v Speaker 1>Harbaugh stuff, to me, is so interesting. It is so

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<v Speaker 1>interesting because the rumors will just not go way. This

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<v Speaker 1>has been a couple weeks running now where we've been

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<v Speaker 1>talking about Jim Harbaugh potentially wanting to make that move

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<v Speaker 1>back into the NFL, and then we heard some other

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<v Speaker 1>scuttle but that he had actually told a recruit, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>there might be some NFL interests that I might entertain.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe that was that's crazy. Yeah, he was entertaining

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<v Speaker 1>those conversations. Yeah, And then it fell through with the Raiders.

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<v Speaker 1>The Raiders are going to hire Josh McDaniels, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>from New England. And it seemed like for a short

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<v Speaker 1>moment in time maybe some of those rumors had quelled.

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<v Speaker 1>But then there was reported interests and an interview with

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<v Speaker 1>the Vikings, and now maybe the Dolphins thing has come

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<v Speaker 1>back after all. Even given the ross connection with Michigan

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<v Speaker 1>and the Dolphins, it just feels to me like there

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<v Speaker 1>is so much smoke here and it's not about money

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<v Speaker 1>otherwise we would have heard a lot about money, and

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<v Speaker 1>this whole thing would have been put to bed two

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<v Speaker 1>weeks ago. It seems to me like there is genuine

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<v Speaker 1>interest on behalf of Harbaugh to get back into the league,

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<v Speaker 1>to find a new team to work with, and to

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<v Speaker 1>make the jump now. It would put Michigan in a

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<v Speaker 1>really tough spot given the fact that it's so late

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<v Speaker 1>in the cycle. As he said at the top here,

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<v Speaker 1>National Signing Day, a time of recording is tomorrow, So

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<v Speaker 1>that would be a difficult spot for the Wolverines, especially

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<v Speaker 1>on the heels of winning the Big Ten championship and

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<v Speaker 1>having a retool now going into the twenty twenty two season.

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<v Speaker 1>But if nothing more, I can't say for sure that

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<v Speaker 1>Harball is gonna leave because nobody knows that it feels

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<v Speaker 1>that way though. It feels like he really genuinely has interest.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not something he's just doing as a leverage

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<v Speaker 1>play to get more money. Like this is a guy

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<v Speaker 1>who was successful there before. I think he wants to

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<v Speaker 1>take another crack at the NFL, so I'm buying on it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know where he ends up, but I do

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<v Speaker 1>think the interest is real, and I think if it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to happen. It's gonna happen within the next couple days.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems that not only is the interest reeal in

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<v Speaker 2>going to the NFL, and these can be looked at

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<v Speaker 2>as pretty similar things, but the interest is real in

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<v Speaker 2>not being a college football coach, right like that a

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<v Speaker 2>college football major college football job is an either fully

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<v Speaker 2>in or not up to it opportunities. It's right, and

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<v Speaker 2>it definitely has seemed that Jim Harbaugh has been fully in.

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<v Speaker 2>The commitment to Michigan has been extremely real. And so

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know in a lot of these situations, like okay,

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<v Speaker 2>let's say the Vikings, So I think they just hired

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<v Speaker 2>a new GM or president that he had a connection

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<v Speaker 2>to when he was with the forty nine ers. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know his name. I'm not up to date with

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<v Speaker 2>my like NFL front office guys, but he has specifically

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<v Speaker 2>shown interest in that the story that he would entertain

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<v Speaker 2>the Raiders job should that be presented to him, Like

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<v Speaker 2>this is somebody who, if you were to believe the

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<v Speaker 2>stories that are coming out, has not just like he

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<v Speaker 2>could have just tweeted, I have no interest in pursuing

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<v Speaker 2>any NFL opportunities at this time. Could be a money ploy.

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<v Speaker 2>It could be, but it doesn't seem like he's.

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<v Speaker 1>Driven by that. So this seems like a human who

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<v Speaker 1>wants to be an NFL coach, and if you want

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<v Speaker 1>to be an NFL coach on a certain level, for

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<v Speaker 1>whatever reason, be it the changing ways of college football,

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't want to be a major college football coach. And

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<v Speaker 1>that leaves Michigan in quite a lurch. It leaves them

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<v Speaker 1>and really, they're they're recruiting against killers. They're recruiting against

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<v Speaker 1>emerging killers like Michigan State, and you have Penn State

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<v Speaker 1>and Ohio State right there. And so right now with

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<v Speaker 1>signing day, with recruiting twenty twenty three, twenty twenty four kids,

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<v Speaker 1>how can Michigan look at them in the eye. How

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<v Speaker 1>can Jim Harbaugh? How can any of these guys say like, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he's gonna be your coach And that's okay that you

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<v Speaker 1>can't say that confidently, but you can't say that with

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<v Speaker 1>any degree of realism that your coach is committed to

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<v Speaker 1>winning a national championship at Michigan because it is a

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<v Speaker 1>one thousand percent all in prospect and the expectations now

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<v Speaker 1>that Michigan is officially a Capital P playoff program is

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<v Speaker 1>for Michigan to continue being a Capitol P playoff program,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can't be the one I want to go

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<v Speaker 1>back to. I've never heard of it before where a

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<v Speaker 1>coach is telling a recruit he would entertain NFL interest, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm far more comfortable with the Brian Kelly or the

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<v Speaker 1>Mario Cristobau method, where they know it and they tell

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<v Speaker 1>white lies and everybody gets that aspect of it. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what we're used to. But that shocking level of honesty

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<v Speaker 1>on one half is definitely commendable. It's not something you

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<v Speaker 1>hear a lot about. But I think it's also very

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<v Speaker 1>troubling if you're a Michigan fan, if you want him

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<v Speaker 1>to stick around, to just straight up tell a kid.

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<v Speaker 1>That leads me to believe that it's genuine. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a guy who wants to go back to the league

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<v Speaker 1>if he gets an off or he's going to take it.

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<v Speaker 1>But how many how many coaches have ever been in

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<v Speaker 1>the position of Jim Not many? No, going from basically

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<v Speaker 1>the top of the mountain in the NFL back to

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<v Speaker 1>college where he could have just stayed in the NFL

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<v Speaker 1>and pursued other opportunities. A unique situation for sure, given.

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<v Speaker 2>That he played there and you know, has become this

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<v Speaker 2>top coach. But yeah, it does seem like he you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's one of those things where the NFL season is

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<v Speaker 2>what it is and it ends at a different point

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<v Speaker 2>of time than when the college one ends, and the

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<v Speaker 2>way Michigan season ended as late as it did, Like

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<v Speaker 2>it's just you can't just quit the job at Michigan

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<v Speaker 2>and say I'm just gonna wait for an NFL job, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't do that. So it is, it is precarious,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, Michigan has internal candidates. I think Mike

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<v Speaker 2>McDonald is going back to the Ravens, right, He's going

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<v Speaker 2>back to the Ravens to be their defensive coordinator. And

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<v Speaker 2>so you have Josh Gattis and Mike Hart, and I

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<v Speaker 2>get Harbaugh's son, who's like thirty three or something like that,

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<v Speaker 2>who's on staff there. Jay Harbaugh is well regarded. But no,

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<v Speaker 2>it's Michigan is in some sort of like program purgatory

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<v Speaker 2>right now, and it's oh kind.

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<v Speaker 1>Of a bummer. It is a bummer. It's a huge bummer.

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<v Speaker 1>So a few points on this news. First off, we

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<v Speaker 1>will continue doing what we've been doing. If there is

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<v Speaker 1>any late breaking coach news that is find the right time,

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<v Speaker 1>fire up a YouTube stream. Yep, bring on Michigan. People

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<v Speaker 1>get comments from the verbolerhood that type of thing. So

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<v Speaker 1>if and when this would break, I don't know anything.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not privy insider information. It feels to me like

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<v Speaker 1>things are building towards this. If it happens, we will

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<v Speaker 1>to go live and talk about this if it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to fruition. The second thing that I would offer on

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<v Speaker 1>this front is which direction would Michigan go dan that

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<v Speaker 1>to me, outside of the fact that it's a huge

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<v Speaker 1>bummer if Harbaugh decides to leave after winning the Big

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<v Speaker 1>Ten championship after all these years, finally beat Ohio State,

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<v Speaker 1>if he decides to leave, it does put Michigan in

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<v Speaker 1>a big lurch. Like you said, they do have internal candidates.

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<v Speaker 1>They've got Josh Gaddis to Got My Heart mentioned Harbaugh's kid.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that's true, realistic or not. There

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<v Speaker 1>are also some outside candidates right, we heard about Bill

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<v Speaker 1>O'Brien as a candidate. I don't know if I really

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<v Speaker 1>buy that. But Bill O'Brien's a name, Matt Campbell's a

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<v Speaker 1>name you brought up, Jeff Hafley. There are all sorts

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<v Speaker 1>of names out there that could be willing to jump

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<v Speaker 1>over to ann Arbor. So if when this happens, it

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<v Speaker 1>would be fascinating to see which direction the Michigan brass

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<v Speaker 1>wants to go, given the fact that the program's in

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty good spot. It's in a good spot, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and to have someone new take over at this juncture

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<v Speaker 1>is a really, really tough ask. So and so many

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<v Speaker 1>layers of fashion fascination here.

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<v Speaker 2>Most certainly a program that has hired either internally or

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<v Speaker 2>hired guys with Michigan experience. And the one time they

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<v Speaker 2>didn't and they went after that flashy national name, it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't too long ago, but relatively, you know, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>the most modern hiring. But rich Rod didn't work out

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<v Speaker 2>and certainly left people feeling, oh, we need people who

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<v Speaker 2>understand this place and can navigate this place. And you

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<v Speaker 2>go to Brady Hoak who had Michigan assistant experience, and

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<v Speaker 2>of course Lloyd Carr was an assistant there forever in

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<v Speaker 2>Jim Harbaugh's connection, and so it's a question of, like,

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<v Speaker 2>do those influences have that type of voice in the

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<v Speaker 2>room where they're going to hire Mike Hart or the

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<v Speaker 2>hire you know, Josh Gaddis somebody with Michigan experience, or

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<v Speaker 2>will they go external to find the best long term fit,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's an internal or external whatever that there's always

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<v Speaker 2>the fascinating politics behind the scenes at a place that large.

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<v Speaker 1>More to come on the Jim Harbaugh stuff, for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And if it's not this year, it's next year, right,

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<v Speaker 2>It's this just Jim Harbaugh is not a long term

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<v Speaker 2>Michigan coach.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what we know. Now. What else is going on

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<v Speaker 1>in the world of college football that you'd like to

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<v Speaker 1>give voice to here very quickly?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, man. I saw that Lane Kiffin tweeted

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<v Speaker 2>out that some sort of image that a fan made

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<v Speaker 2>that he's the portal king with the Tiger King. Oh yeah, imagery.

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<v Speaker 2>They landed well, obviously, you know Jackson, I think they landed.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Georgia Tech's best edge rusher, Jared I I

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<v Speaker 2>believe his name is. And so they've they've built out

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<v Speaker 2>their program and as a lot of top teams are,

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<v Speaker 2>LSU is bringing in a bunch of kids. USC of course,

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<v Speaker 2>continues to bring in kids.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you see the Brian Kelly videos? Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so you see that Brian Kelly with those like

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<v Speaker 2>three sixty degree cameras circling you like you see at

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<v Speaker 2>weddings or movie premieres or something. And he's doing that

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<v Speaker 2>and flashing l's or guns or something with recruits and

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<v Speaker 2>then they're wearing his his tech vest, the tech vest, right,

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<v Speaker 2>the official uniform of being cool at LSU.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's doing the grit. They're teaching him to do

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<v Speaker 1>the gritty sure, of course, which I want to see

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<v Speaker 1>more of this. Frankly, we're in the content business here. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>on the solid verbal and for as cringe worthy as

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<v Speaker 1>it does appear, I admire the hustle. I think we've

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<v Speaker 1>come to know Brian Kelly is every bit as disingenuous

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<v Speaker 1>as you might expect. So yeah, it gives me a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of pleasure as a Notre Dame fan to

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<v Speaker 1>know that there's probably a great large part of him

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<v Speaker 1>that hates the fact that he has to go through

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<v Speaker 1>any of this. Who is, but he understands the value

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<v Speaker 1>of it. He understands the value, which is why he's

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<v Speaker 1>a successful college football coach. Who is in your mind

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<v Speaker 1>the Power five or other you know, G five, fcs whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Who is the coach that is the least likely coach

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<v Speaker 1>to debase himself socially in pursuit of recruiting clout? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>who is the guy who will be the last one

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<v Speaker 1>to do this video? I mean David Shaw, It could

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<v Speaker 1>be David Shaw. I was gonna say Dan Mullen. Dan

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<v Speaker 1>Mullen got fired because of his lack.

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<v Speaker 2>Of whole Dan Mullen would do this in a second.

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<v Speaker 2>Dan maull will do anything for this kind of clout.

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<v Speaker 2>He won't necessarily grind for recruits. But when there's a

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<v Speaker 2>camera or something like, sure is it Pat Fitzgerald, Man,

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<v Speaker 2>we already know that Jim Harbas slept over at a

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<v Speaker 2>kicker's house. It's not this, it's not on camera. We

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<v Speaker 2>know that he did that.

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<v Speaker 1>So who is that guy? Who is that guy that.

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<v Speaker 2>Is going to be the fire Like I think I

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<v Speaker 2>think Nick Saban is unlikely to do something like this,

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<v Speaker 2>but he's also like, yeah, it can be fun.

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<v Speaker 1>But he's also going arch Mannings basketball game.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's not like that's that's normal, though, I know

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's for a top, top, top kid. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>talking about the dancing and the like trying to tap

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<v Speaker 2>into a trend that is fifty forty years your junior.

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<v Speaker 2>So it does have like big I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>you ever come across this on Instagram or TikTok. I

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<v Speaker 2>know you're big on social media, now, sure if you've

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<v Speaker 2>come across like a like a twenty eight year old

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<v Speaker 2>doing dances with like their fifty seven year old husband

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<v Speaker 2>sixty four year old husband, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Like they say, age difference is that big deal.

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<v Speaker 2>I try not to swim in those waters too much,

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<v Speaker 2>but I've seen those and that had like big looking

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<v Speaker 2>for or or trying to maintain a relationship with a

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<v Speaker 2>much younger person energy and vibes to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think Greg Sheianna would try that? I think

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<v Speaker 1>he would before Pat Fitzgerald. I think he would before

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<v Speaker 1>David Shaw. Yeah, I think there's a certain amount of

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<v Speaker 1>energy to Greg Ciano that says sure, sure, Mac Brown would.

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<v Speaker 1>Justin Wilcox.

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<v Speaker 2>Justin Wilcox seems more key, pretty still younger. He's like

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<v Speaker 2>in his mid forties, mid to late forties or something

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<v Speaker 2>like that. So see, I don't think you can do

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<v Speaker 2>the age thing, though. The age thing is probably.

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<v Speaker 1>Be Herwood for as long as Herm's still employed. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Herm would. Joey McGuire. I don't know how old Joey

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<v Speaker 1>McGuire is, but he would. Jay McGuire, Arkwood, he would

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<v Speaker 1>totally do it. Bim, Brett Bielma would do it. He'd

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<v Speaker 1>be in. Brett Bielmo would do it. James Franklin, Franker

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<v Speaker 1>Franklin would do it even if there weren't a camera.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say Hypel, Yeah, Hypel would do it. Shaw

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<v Speaker 1>might be the answer.

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<v Speaker 2>Sean Fitzgerald, Shaw, Fitzgerald, Tom Allen would Allen's got that

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<v Speaker 2>energy to him.

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<v Speaker 1>Would Undy would? Yeah? And Riley definitely would. P J Fleck,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, PJ Fleck does it? He? Paul Christ?

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<v Speaker 1>What about Paul Christ? Paul Christ is low.

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<v Speaker 2>Paul Chris is absolutely low with how he responded to

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<v Speaker 2>the turnover chain in the Bowl game, like he is.

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<v Speaker 2>Just I don't I think he would be He would

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<v Speaker 2>be an elite non debaser.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think I think he's probably My answer. Just

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<v Speaker 1>to be a little bit different.

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<v Speaker 2>Paul Christ is a good answer. I'm trying to think

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<v Speaker 2>anybody else in.

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<v Speaker 1>The A C. C.

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<v Speaker 2>Den know, Babe, Tony Elliott, Mike Elko, Jimbo would do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Jimbo, he would definitely do it. Yeah, of course he would.

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<v Speaker 2>Leech would do it. But Leach would look weird doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>He'd he had he'd have no idea what he's doing,

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<v Speaker 2>but he'd do it.

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<v Speaker 1>You do it? What about Schipper? Would Chipper do this?

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<v Speaker 2>H I think he's on the Christ train of like

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<v Speaker 2>he has been notoriously not willing to play the recruiting

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<v Speaker 2>game as it exists.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I feel like Chip Kelly would look

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<v Speaker 1>at a move like that and feel like it's beneath him.

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<v Speaker 2>Now that said, Chip Kelly did jump into that giant

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<v Speaker 2>cold tub when he was the Eagles coach for your member. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>he's down to have a good time and like for

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<v Speaker 2>for as much as he thinks allegedly that recruiting allegedly

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<v Speaker 2>agedly recruiting and debasing oneself in one's time to bend

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<v Speaker 2>over backwards to the top recruits in the country as

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<v Speaker 2>a fool's errand, and he wants to find guys who

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<v Speaker 2>fit you know, does the big background checks. All all

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<v Speaker 2>reports indigate from Eugene that players loved him, he loved

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<v Speaker 2>coaching college kids like he got a He clicked really

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<v Speaker 2>well with them. But the recruiting thing, yeah, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>remember seeing a lot of you know him dancing in

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<v Speaker 2>the locker room kind of Dabbo.

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<v Speaker 1>Would do this.

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<v Speaker 2>What about Nordoozy, he'd be low, he'd be low. But

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<v Speaker 2>I don't I think he would do it before christ

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<v Speaker 2>Shaw or Fitzgerald.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think I agree with that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to think of like Chris Kleiman. Hard to

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<v Speaker 2>see him doing it, but he would do it before them.

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<v Speaker 1>He would definitely do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Lance Leipold, hard to see it, would probably do it

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<v Speaker 2>before them. Although he's pretty no nonsense.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I like him. Matt Campbell, Yes, Campbell, Frost, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know much about Timmy Chang, but Timmy Chang

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<v Speaker 1>being for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Tucker's no nonsense, but I think he really is. He

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<v Speaker 2>grinds out on the recruiting trucks, oh man, I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>Jobs.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know if Troy Callahan's doing it, although

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<v Speaker 2>although you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know he does what it takes to get the hair

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<v Speaker 1>did the hair thing right, Yeah, yeah, he does. He

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<v Speaker 1>does what it takes. Oh man, this has been an

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<v Speaker 1>important conversation. Yeah, I'm glad, No, it is.

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<v Speaker 2>It is strange to watch. And if Brian Kelly strings

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<v Speaker 2>together a bunch of top five classes, you tip your

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<v Speaker 2>cap and you say more power to you. However you

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<v Speaker 2>do it, it works good for you. But if he's

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<v Speaker 2>doing this and it doesn't work, like bro, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I get it.

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<v Speaker 2>I get you gotta do what it takes because Alabama

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<v Speaker 2>and George are war machines. At this point, you're trying

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<v Speaker 2>to keep up. But like the fact that he is

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<v Speaker 2>how tall do you think Brian Kelly is?

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Kelly five nine maybe maybe five eight, Okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>he's about five eight. So he's just sort of ducking

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<v Speaker 1>ducking under defensive lineman's shoulders, going pew pew pew and

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<v Speaker 1>doing like the little dances in his vest. Man, there's

0:24:15.119 --> 0:24:17.280
<v Speaker 1>just gonna be so many gifts if and when he's

0:24:17.320 --> 0:24:21.119
<v Speaker 1>fired from LSU. We did we did the Padrigo Show

0:24:21.640 --> 0:24:24.560
<v Speaker 1>last Thursday. One of the songs in there that we

0:24:24.640 --> 0:24:27.600
<v Speaker 1>reviewed and compare I think I compared it to LSU

0:24:27.720 --> 0:24:30.520
<v Speaker 1>the favorite crime song where you sort of are in

0:24:30.640 --> 0:24:33.040
<v Speaker 1>something and you kind of lose lose yourself a little

0:24:33.040 --> 0:24:36.240
<v Speaker 1>bit because you're into it. Brian Kelly right now is

0:24:36.280 --> 0:24:39.560
<v Speaker 1>going through that stage. Yeah, he's he's just doing whatever.

0:24:39.640 --> 0:24:42.440
<v Speaker 1>He's kind of going with the flow. Might look back

0:24:42.480 --> 0:24:44.040
<v Speaker 1>on it, like you said, if it doesn't work and

0:24:44.080 --> 0:24:46.800
<v Speaker 1>not feel great about it. But if it does work, Yeah,

0:24:46.960 --> 0:24:48.760
<v Speaker 1>if it does work, there are huge spoils at the

0:24:48.800 --> 0:24:51.240
<v Speaker 1>end of that rainbow. So we are tight, are we not?

0:24:51.320 --> 0:24:52.159
<v Speaker 1>A show? That is?

0:24:52.480 --> 0:24:56.879
<v Speaker 2>If nothing else, we respect bit commitment, Oh, total, totally

0:24:57.119 --> 0:25:00.560
<v Speaker 2>absolutely respect Like Brian Kelly should be die his hair,

0:25:00.840 --> 0:25:04.359
<v Speaker 2>Brian Kelly should be making appearances on you know, the

0:25:04.920 --> 0:25:09.439
<v Speaker 2>mixtapes and music videos of local artists, like he should

0:25:09.440 --> 0:25:13.840
<v Speaker 2>be giving himself to the moment as fully as humanly possible.

0:25:14.119 --> 0:25:17.800
<v Speaker 1>And I respect it like I do. I do respect it.

0:25:17.880 --> 0:25:21.000
<v Speaker 2>There is do There's always going to be whenever you

0:25:21.000 --> 0:25:24.480
<v Speaker 2>see a coach doing this specifically, there's always like big time,

0:25:24.840 --> 0:25:27.160
<v Speaker 2>I've never heard this song, but it's my niece's wedding

0:25:27.200 --> 0:25:29.719
<v Speaker 2>and I'm hitting the dance floor. Like there is that

0:25:29.920 --> 0:25:33.040
<v Speaker 2>energy to Brian Kelly all the time with these types

0:25:33.080 --> 0:25:36.000
<v Speaker 2>of videos. But you know what, It's better than sitting

0:25:36.080 --> 0:25:39.040
<v Speaker 2>at the table and being sour. It's better than sitting

0:25:39.080 --> 0:25:40.800
<v Speaker 2>at the table during the wedding and not hitting the

0:25:40.880 --> 0:25:42.919
<v Speaker 2>dance floor. So I'm good with it now.

0:25:42.960 --> 0:25:45.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm okay, I'm okay with it. Look again, we are

0:25:45.040 --> 0:25:47.879
<v Speaker 1>in the content business here, Dan, of course, this is

0:25:47.920 --> 0:25:50.240
<v Speaker 1>what we do now, is what I do now. So

0:25:50.240 --> 0:25:52.720
<v Speaker 1>if he wants to do that dance every day of

0:25:52.760 --> 0:25:54.720
<v Speaker 1>the week and post it to social media, by all

0:25:54.760 --> 0:25:58.680
<v Speaker 1>means I'm showing up for Kayla on her special day. Yeah.

0:26:00.480 --> 0:26:03.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, it's great. Great to see, great to see.

0:26:03.400 --> 0:26:05.199
<v Speaker 2>Is there any other news that we need to discuss

0:26:05.280 --> 0:26:08.760
<v Speaker 2>before we get into our I mean there's always you know,

0:26:08.800 --> 0:26:11.200
<v Speaker 2>this coaching hire stuff that trickles all over. Boston College

0:26:11.280 --> 0:26:15.000
<v Speaker 2>hired what Notre Dames tight Ends coach McNulty. I saw,

0:26:15.560 --> 0:26:16.520
<v Speaker 2>not Jimmy McNulty.

0:26:16.560 --> 0:26:20.240
<v Speaker 1>That's a different one. Yeah, I saw that. Is it

0:26:20.280 --> 0:26:22.040
<v Speaker 1>true that you may be in the running to be

0:26:22.119 --> 0:26:25.560
<v Speaker 1>the new offensive coordinator for Mario Cristobal because that's still

0:26:25.640 --> 0:26:26.720
<v Speaker 1>kind of in progress, right.

0:26:26.680 --> 0:26:30.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's kind of a weird situation. So Miami, and look,

0:26:30.800 --> 0:26:33.000
<v Speaker 2>Mario crist of ball and I happened to know a

0:26:33.040 --> 0:26:35.880
<v Speaker 2>good amount of about Mario Crista Ball since I am

0:26:35.880 --> 0:26:38.120
<v Speaker 2>an Oregon fan and I was, you know, party two.

0:26:38.240 --> 0:26:41.040
<v Speaker 2>What happened with new coach hires in Eugene, and he

0:26:41.240 --> 0:26:43.359
<v Speaker 2>took his time. He always took his time. He interviewed

0:26:43.400 --> 0:26:46.800
<v Speaker 2>a ton of guys for for coordinator roles, assistant roles,

0:26:46.920 --> 0:26:49.879
<v Speaker 2>and really was, you know, by all accounts, thorough about

0:26:49.880 --> 0:26:52.320
<v Speaker 2>who he hired. But he Miami brought him in on

0:26:52.359 --> 0:26:55.000
<v Speaker 2>December sixth we're recording this on what January thirty. First,

0:26:55.040 --> 0:26:58.640
<v Speaker 2>it's correct, Miami still does not have an offensive coordinator.

0:26:58.640 --> 0:27:01.240
<v Speaker 2>They reached out to Jason Candle and he turned them down.

0:27:01.280 --> 0:27:04.360
<v Speaker 2>The Toledo head coach. There were parent conversations and it's

0:27:04.359 --> 0:27:06.480
<v Speaker 2>sort of a he said, he said, situation with Kendall

0:27:06.480 --> 0:27:10.520
<v Speaker 2>Briles and making a move from Arkansas. But they are

0:27:10.600 --> 0:27:14.359
<v Speaker 2>still without a defensive coordinator, without an offensive coordinator, and

0:27:14.400 --> 0:27:17.399
<v Speaker 2>now they've lost their corners. Coach to I think Alabama

0:27:17.480 --> 0:27:20.119
<v Speaker 2>Treveris Robertson. I might get gotten that name wrong. I

0:27:20.119 --> 0:27:24.840
<v Speaker 2>apologize if I did. And Brian McClendon, who he brought

0:27:24.840 --> 0:27:27.199
<v Speaker 2>from Oregon to be his receivers coach, is now going

0:27:27.240 --> 0:27:30.119
<v Speaker 2>to be filling that same role at Georgia, and so

0:27:31.400 --> 0:27:34.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't know with signing day here, with spring coming up,

0:27:34.840 --> 0:27:36.960
<v Speaker 2>Like he hired his strength coach, which is important. He

0:27:37.000 --> 0:27:39.320
<v Speaker 2>brought him over from Oregon, and he's got a couple

0:27:39.320 --> 0:27:41.800
<v Speaker 2>other guys he brought over from Oregon, his offensive line coach,

0:27:41.880 --> 0:27:43.040
<v Speaker 2>his defensive line coach.

0:27:43.880 --> 0:27:50.200
<v Speaker 1>But it does feel like it's taken him perhaps too long,

0:27:50.800 --> 0:27:53.000
<v Speaker 1>and that there is I don't know, there's a reason

0:27:53.080 --> 0:27:57.760
<v Speaker 1>why coaches are not sticking or coaches don't want to

0:27:57.840 --> 0:28:00.960
<v Speaker 1>stick that are you know, interesting that job at one point,

0:28:01.000 --> 0:28:05.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. It's almost as if hiring a coach

0:28:07.640 --> 0:28:12.600
<v Speaker 1>via your boosters and not an athletic director is sort

0:28:12.600 --> 0:28:14.840
<v Speaker 1>of doomed to failure, isn't it just a little bit

0:28:14.960 --> 0:28:20.080
<v Speaker 1>like maybe maybe there is some smoke to the program

0:28:20.200 --> 0:28:25.560
<v Speaker 1>not having itself in order, And you know, I understand

0:28:25.600 --> 0:28:28.280
<v Speaker 1>they've brought the guy down from Clemson and they're trying

0:28:28.320 --> 0:28:31.159
<v Speaker 1>to get things together. And Mario's big fish. He's a

0:28:31.160 --> 0:28:33.720
<v Speaker 1>good coach, he's a great recruiter. Like I don't mean

0:28:33.760 --> 0:28:36.880
<v Speaker 1>to take anything away from him, but he will eventually

0:28:36.880 --> 0:28:39.480
<v Speaker 1>find coordinators. I think my point is nobody should be

0:28:39.480 --> 0:28:42.760
<v Speaker 1>surprised at this point if it feels a little bit disorganized,

0:28:42.920 --> 0:28:45.680
<v Speaker 1>feels a little bit all over the place, because frankly,

0:28:45.680 --> 0:28:48.560
<v Speaker 1>those are the circumstances under which Cristal Wal took the job.

0:28:49.280 --> 0:28:52.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and if you are an assistant in demand, if

0:28:52.480 --> 0:28:55.360
<v Speaker 2>you're a coordinator in demand, and you interview with a

0:28:55.360 --> 0:28:58.280
<v Speaker 2>couple different schools, or you go to Miami and then

0:28:58.360 --> 0:29:02.040
<v Speaker 2>another school shows interest to you Miami saying this will

0:29:02.040 --> 0:29:04.600
<v Speaker 2>be what the program is like, These are the plans

0:29:04.640 --> 0:29:08.360
<v Speaker 2>for the program. Potentially, this is how the machine will

0:29:08.360 --> 0:29:11.960
<v Speaker 2>be built in some time, and then Georgia comes to

0:29:12.000 --> 0:29:15.280
<v Speaker 2>you or Alabama comes to you and says, flip a switch,

0:29:15.520 --> 0:29:20.920
<v Speaker 2>We're ready. And so it's just it's it's the sort

0:29:20.960 --> 0:29:25.920
<v Speaker 2>of perils that come with being a constantly rebuilding and

0:29:26.160 --> 0:29:30.160
<v Speaker 2>being a program that doesn't seem to at the moment

0:29:30.440 --> 0:29:33.760
<v Speaker 2>potentially will have a solid foundation.

0:29:34.000 --> 0:29:34.560
<v Speaker 1>That there is.

0:29:34.640 --> 0:29:37.240
<v Speaker 2>Just there are a lot of teas to cross and

0:29:37.360 --> 0:29:40.240
<v Speaker 2>eyes to dot, and a lot of promises to be fulfilled,

0:29:40.800 --> 0:29:43.600
<v Speaker 2>to be TBD, we'll see.

0:29:43.720 --> 0:29:48.440
<v Speaker 1>With all that being said, we wanted to provide further

0:29:48.600 --> 0:29:52.320
<v Speaker 1>context for what we saw transpire in twenty twenty one,

0:29:52.440 --> 0:29:56.120
<v Speaker 1>So keep in mind. If you go back at the time,

0:29:56.240 --> 0:29:59.400
<v Speaker 1>I had left the mysterious day job, and I was

0:29:59.480 --> 0:30:05.640
<v Speaker 1>immersing myself in preseason college football fully to the extent

0:30:05.680 --> 0:30:08.200
<v Speaker 1>that I could, with at that point in time only

0:30:08.640 --> 0:30:10.760
<v Speaker 1>a limited amount of hours to really throw into it.

0:30:11.560 --> 0:30:16.760
<v Speaker 1>And I was fascinated by over under tootals because, if

0:30:16.800 --> 0:30:19.640
<v Speaker 1>nothing more, it gives you a guide, gives you a

0:30:19.680 --> 0:30:22.800
<v Speaker 1>guide for where the people who use this to put

0:30:22.840 --> 0:30:26.040
<v Speaker 1>their kids through college, where they think teams are going

0:30:26.120 --> 0:30:28.240
<v Speaker 1>to be. Right. So, what we've got in front of

0:30:28.320 --> 0:30:31.760
<v Speaker 1>us here, and you dutifully put this together, Dan, thank

0:30:31.760 --> 0:30:35.160
<v Speaker 1>you for doing this. Of course, you put together a

0:30:35.240 --> 0:30:41.120
<v Speaker 1>list of the teams that either exceeded or fell short

0:30:41.800 --> 0:30:46.240
<v Speaker 1>of their preseason over underwin totals. Correct. So we've got

0:30:46.280 --> 0:30:49.120
<v Speaker 1>a list here of the teams that overperformed, the teams

0:30:49.120 --> 0:30:50.960
<v Speaker 1>that underperformed, at.

0:30:50.960 --> 0:30:55.200
<v Speaker 2>Least according to Vegas expectations, right, not necessarily internal ones

0:30:55.280 --> 0:30:58.640
<v Speaker 2>or fan base expectations. But like this is how Vegas

0:30:58.720 --> 0:31:01.760
<v Speaker 2>set the line of saying we think half of the

0:31:01.800 --> 0:31:03.080
<v Speaker 2>people are going to bet this way and half the

0:31:03.120 --> 0:31:04.480
<v Speaker 2>people are going to bet that way. This is that

0:31:04.680 --> 0:31:09.040
<v Speaker 2>enticing number. And these are the teams that completely outperformed

0:31:09.200 --> 0:31:11.320
<v Speaker 2>or came way way underneath it.

0:31:11.520 --> 0:31:14.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So we pulled a few of these out that

0:31:14.240 --> 0:31:16.680
<v Speaker 1>I think are of interest, and I know you and

0:31:16.720 --> 0:31:18.760
<v Speaker 1>I each have a couple that we want to talk about,

0:31:18.800 --> 0:31:21.760
<v Speaker 1>But I think the intention here is to look at

0:31:21.840 --> 0:31:25.520
<v Speaker 1>where some of these teams ended up, how they performed

0:31:25.560 --> 0:31:28.440
<v Speaker 1>relative to that over under, and then talk a little

0:31:28.440 --> 0:31:29.120
<v Speaker 1>bit about why.

0:31:29.960 --> 0:31:33.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, by the way, looking back in retrospect, coming off

0:31:33.680 --> 0:31:37.520
<v Speaker 2>of the weird, weird in a lot of ways awful

0:31:37.680 --> 0:31:40.640
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty season in terms of the variance of results

0:31:40.680 --> 0:31:44.000
<v Speaker 2>and games getting canceled and teams going three weeks without playing,

0:31:44.040 --> 0:31:46.240
<v Speaker 2>stuff like that, there were just going to be some

0:31:46.560 --> 0:31:50.640
<v Speaker 2>absolutely awful lines being set. Oh that it were just

0:31:50.680 --> 0:31:52.600
<v Speaker 2>like somebody's like, yeah, about five and a half, they

0:31:52.640 --> 0:31:55.840
<v Speaker 2>win ten games, Like why, Well, twenty twenty was weird

0:31:55.880 --> 0:31:58.440
<v Speaker 2>for everybody, and so we don't fully understand the scope

0:31:58.480 --> 0:32:00.840
<v Speaker 2>of what a team could have been or could be

0:32:00.960 --> 0:32:04.400
<v Speaker 2>at full strength with a much more normal experience, or

0:32:04.960 --> 0:32:07.560
<v Speaker 2>a team just got lucky in twenty twenty, or a

0:32:07.600 --> 0:32:10.920
<v Speaker 2>team had an inflated win total because of all sorts

0:32:10.960 --> 0:32:14.480
<v Speaker 2>of things happening around them. So basically, what I took

0:32:14.520 --> 0:32:16.360
<v Speaker 2>from this, if we're gonna be like prisoners of the

0:32:16.400 --> 0:32:20.040
<v Speaker 2>moment is okay, You're gonna look at experience on a

0:32:20.080 --> 0:32:22.120
<v Speaker 2>certain level. You're gonna look at schedule. You're also gonna

0:32:22.120 --> 0:32:24.600
<v Speaker 2>look at conference. You're like, Okay, has this conference been

0:32:24.640 --> 0:32:26.840
<v Speaker 2>down for a while and now have a bunch of

0:32:26.880 --> 0:32:30.240
<v Speaker 2>teams with upper classmen who are just going to progress

0:32:30.360 --> 0:32:33.280
<v Speaker 2>back to the mean or just like they're not gonna

0:32:33.280 --> 0:32:36.360
<v Speaker 2>have as much bad turnover luck as they did last year.

0:32:36.480 --> 0:32:39.400
<v Speaker 1>Like you're also just like looking at teams.

0:32:39.160 --> 0:32:42.080
<v Speaker 2>Where you're like, what is the collapse potential? What is

0:32:42.120 --> 0:32:43.520
<v Speaker 2>their Jenga potential?

0:32:43.760 --> 0:32:44.000
<v Speaker 1>You know?

0:32:44.600 --> 0:32:47.000
<v Speaker 2>And so so like one of the teams here is

0:32:47.120 --> 0:32:51.000
<v Speaker 2>USC who had I think it was a nine win

0:32:51.440 --> 0:32:54.680
<v Speaker 2>total set in this one, right, and they finished the

0:32:54.720 --> 0:32:58.720
<v Speaker 2>season at what five and seven USC or four and eight,

0:32:58.800 --> 0:33:01.440
<v Speaker 2>like they were terrible. So the collapse potential was certainly

0:33:01.520 --> 0:33:04.520
<v Speaker 2>high given Clay Helton's job status. But you looked at

0:33:04.560 --> 0:33:07.240
<v Speaker 2>their actual schedule and you're like, they don't have anybody

0:33:07.240 --> 0:33:09.760
<v Speaker 2>tough in the non conference part of the schedule, Like

0:33:10.080 --> 0:33:12.920
<v Speaker 2>early on, it looks pretty good. Like they miss Oregon

0:33:12.920 --> 0:33:15.400
<v Speaker 2>and Washington, the two best teams presumed to be the

0:33:15.400 --> 0:33:18.360
<v Speaker 2>best teams in the North, like, nine games seems fine,

0:33:19.000 --> 0:33:22.960
<v Speaker 2>So going you'd have to just bank on collapse potential

0:33:23.040 --> 0:33:27.080
<v Speaker 2>because realistically it was understandable that USC win around nine

0:33:27.120 --> 0:33:27.960
<v Speaker 2>games last year.

0:33:28.200 --> 0:33:28.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:33:28.440 --> 0:33:32.520
<v Speaker 2>The reason they didn't well injuries, and it turns out

0:33:32.560 --> 0:33:34.920
<v Speaker 2>they just weren't good. They didn't have guys on defense,

0:33:35.200 --> 0:33:40.000
<v Speaker 2>and teams got better in the Pac twelve on their schedule,

0:33:40.200 --> 0:33:43.040
<v Speaker 2>like Oregon State. Oregon State is a team that should

0:33:43.080 --> 0:33:46.400
<v Speaker 2>basically never beat USC. They moved the ball all over

0:33:46.560 --> 0:33:48.680
<v Speaker 2>SC and the win in the Coliseum, which was their

0:33:48.720 --> 0:33:51.680
<v Speaker 2>first win there forever and ever, and so USC is

0:33:51.720 --> 0:33:55.200
<v Speaker 2>a really good example of just collapse potential.

0:33:55.320 --> 0:33:56.160
<v Speaker 1>You knew they had it.

0:33:56.200 --> 0:33:58.959
<v Speaker 2>There's some teams that just have that in their DNA,

0:33:59.120 --> 0:34:02.040
<v Speaker 2>given the circumstance, is a coach or the personnel whatever.

0:34:02.560 --> 0:34:05.320
<v Speaker 2>USC was a prime collapse potential that I guess we

0:34:05.440 --> 0:34:07.920
<v Speaker 2>just didn't fully underline ahead of the year.

0:34:08.440 --> 0:34:10.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and one that I think is kind of on

0:34:10.880 --> 0:34:13.400
<v Speaker 1>the opposite end of that spectrum where we saw the

0:34:13.440 --> 0:34:15.759
<v Speaker 1>collapse potential, but a lot of folks didn't see it

0:34:15.800 --> 0:34:21.839
<v Speaker 1>coming Washington, correct, Yeah, Washington's over under was nine And

0:34:22.239 --> 0:34:25.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, I've talked about it for probably eight months

0:34:25.080 --> 0:34:27.319
<v Speaker 1>running now, but a lot of the preview publications are

0:34:27.400 --> 0:34:29.719
<v Speaker 1>very high on the Huskies. Phil Steele, Oh my gosh,

0:34:29.719 --> 0:34:33.360
<v Speaker 1>he couldn't have been any higher on Washington. Right. It

0:34:33.400 --> 0:34:36.400
<v Speaker 1>took a few weeks for me, certainly for you, for

0:34:36.440 --> 0:34:39.080
<v Speaker 1>a lot of folks who follow college football to fully

0:34:39.080 --> 0:34:41.520
<v Speaker 1>come to grips with the fact that what we've seen

0:34:41.600 --> 0:34:44.080
<v Speaker 1>early from the Huskies is not a fluke. This just

0:34:44.160 --> 0:34:47.560
<v Speaker 1>might be a very poorly coached team. And you know,

0:34:47.600 --> 0:34:52.160
<v Speaker 1>you can never account for coaching circumstances and coaching weirdness

0:34:52.200 --> 0:34:56.439
<v Speaker 1>in some of these lines, right, You can certainly account for, yes,

0:34:56.520 --> 0:34:58.600
<v Speaker 1>I think this guy's a good coach or a bad coach,

0:34:59.000 --> 0:35:01.960
<v Speaker 1>for whatever that's worth. But in this case with Jimmy Lake,

0:35:02.000 --> 0:35:05.479
<v Speaker 1>we had real circumstances that went awry, and I think

0:35:05.520 --> 0:35:08.120
<v Speaker 1>that contributed to the collapse that we saw from Washington.

0:35:08.200 --> 0:35:12.080
<v Speaker 1>But Washington only winning like what they went four games, right,

0:35:12.200 --> 0:35:16.319
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that was so far short of expectations that

0:35:16.840 --> 0:35:18.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't think anybody could have seen it coming. You

0:35:18.560 --> 0:35:20.000
<v Speaker 1>certainly could have gone into the year and said, I

0:35:20.040 --> 0:35:23.080
<v Speaker 1>don't think Washington's going to get to nine wins. There's

0:35:23.200 --> 0:35:26.120
<v Speaker 1>sure there are reasons why I don't feel like, that's attainable.

0:35:26.880 --> 0:35:30.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember what you had with Washington. I don't

0:35:30.719 --> 0:35:32.840
<v Speaker 1>think you were as high as I went under. Yeah,

0:35:32.840 --> 0:35:36.279
<v Speaker 1>but even still this far under, nobody could have seen

0:35:36.280 --> 0:35:37.000
<v Speaker 1>that coming.

0:35:37.280 --> 0:35:40.280
<v Speaker 2>No, I mean, the only real sense was, like nobody

0:35:40.280 --> 0:35:43.160
<v Speaker 2>really liked John Donovan as the answer for that offense,

0:35:43.480 --> 0:35:44.960
<v Speaker 2>and so that was going to hold them back. But

0:35:45.000 --> 0:35:46.640
<v Speaker 2>going into the season, you thought, Okay, they have an

0:35:46.640 --> 0:35:49.880
<v Speaker 2>experienced quarterback. They had the COVID issues that prevented them

0:35:49.920 --> 0:35:52.239
<v Speaker 2>from playing Oregon and playing in the Pac twelve championship game,

0:35:52.480 --> 0:35:55.360
<v Speaker 2>but they have this reputation of having a solid defense

0:35:55.400 --> 0:35:57.400
<v Speaker 2>and Jimmy Lakes being a defensive minded coach.

0:35:58.000 --> 0:35:59.000
<v Speaker 1>They've recruited well.

0:36:00.040 --> 0:36:02.719
<v Speaker 2>On offense, They've got this very experienced offensive line, They've

0:36:02.719 --> 0:36:04.440
<v Speaker 2>got one of the best tight ends in the country,

0:36:05.080 --> 0:36:07.640
<v Speaker 2>and like, even if they're not great, they should still

0:36:07.680 --> 0:36:09.319
<v Speaker 2>be good and you can win nine games as a

0:36:09.320 --> 0:36:12.720
<v Speaker 2>good team in the Pac twelve. What we didn't fully

0:36:12.800 --> 0:36:16.319
<v Speaker 2>look at was maybe they were the beneficiary of the

0:36:16.320 --> 0:36:18.759
<v Speaker 2>COVID year, the weird COVID year, and they won some clunkers,

0:36:18.960 --> 0:36:21.560
<v Speaker 2>and also like they had a ton of transfers, especially

0:36:21.600 --> 0:36:24.719
<v Speaker 2>on offense heading into the twenty twenty one season, almost like,

0:36:24.960 --> 0:36:27.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, pigeons freaking out ahead of an earthquake.

0:36:27.040 --> 0:36:30.239
<v Speaker 1>We're like, should we Is there something coming? Is there?

0:36:30.880 --> 0:36:31.200
<v Speaker 1>Is there?

0:36:31.440 --> 0:36:34.239
<v Speaker 2>A bunch of frogs won't shut up that there's an

0:36:34.280 --> 0:36:37.960
<v Speaker 2>earthquake a half hour later. And I think that that

0:36:38.120 --> 0:36:40.960
<v Speaker 2>was it, That that was the best we could have

0:36:41.000 --> 0:36:45.080
<v Speaker 2>hoped for. That a pretty average offense wasn't going to

0:36:45.120 --> 0:36:47.080
<v Speaker 2>get better. In the fact that all these receivers are

0:36:47.160 --> 0:36:52.120
<v Speaker 2>leaving might be an indicator of ooh, things are trending

0:36:52.560 --> 0:36:54.400
<v Speaker 2>pretty quickly downward in Seattle.

0:36:55.800 --> 0:37:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I that one I didn't see coming. The other

0:37:00.040 --> 0:37:04.560
<v Speaker 1>the one that I didn't see coming was Florida, Florida.

0:37:04.680 --> 0:37:07.319
<v Speaker 1>Florida was at Florida would have been tough to see coming. Yeah,

0:37:07.800 --> 0:37:10.920
<v Speaker 1>Florida was at nine, they're over under was nine. They

0:37:10.920 --> 0:37:14.680
<v Speaker 1>obviously got to six. And that was a huge disappointment,

0:37:15.000 --> 0:37:18.360
<v Speaker 1>sort of in the same vein, though not quite to

0:37:18.400 --> 0:37:22.399
<v Speaker 1>the same extreme extent as Jimmy Lake. But you had

0:37:22.440 --> 0:37:26.959
<v Speaker 1>that coaching turmoil, You had that very clearly breakdown about

0:37:26.960 --> 0:37:29.920
<v Speaker 1>halfway through the season where it just seems like Florida

0:37:29.960 --> 0:37:34.000
<v Speaker 1>stopped playing. They stopped playing for Dan Mullen and I

0:37:34.040 --> 0:37:36.200
<v Speaker 1>can't tell you the number of articles I've read, either

0:37:36.239 --> 0:37:39.120
<v Speaker 1>on the athletic or through team sites or on message boards,

0:37:39.160 --> 0:37:41.920
<v Speaker 1>what have you where Folks have been talking for the

0:37:41.960 --> 0:37:44.080
<v Speaker 1>last couple of months about how this team just didn't

0:37:44.120 --> 0:37:47.360
<v Speaker 1>play hard. That was kind of the book on Florida

0:37:47.360 --> 0:37:50.279
<v Speaker 1>from opposing coaches, that they just they don't play hard.

0:37:50.280 --> 0:37:52.960
<v Speaker 1>They're undisciplined. They can get up some of the time,

0:37:53.000 --> 0:37:55.640
<v Speaker 1>but most of the time they kind of don't care. Right.

0:37:55.800 --> 0:37:57.840
<v Speaker 1>There was no way to really account for that before

0:37:57.840 --> 0:38:01.319
<v Speaker 1>the season. Nine wins in the SEC is difficult. That's

0:38:01.360 --> 0:38:04.680
<v Speaker 1>difficult by any stretch, But even with a lot of

0:38:04.680 --> 0:38:06.799
<v Speaker 1>the turnover, it seemed as if they had talent in

0:38:06.840 --> 0:38:09.880
<v Speaker 1>place where they could get to that nine. I was

0:38:09.960 --> 0:38:12.239
<v Speaker 1>very high in Florida before the start of the year.

0:38:12.280 --> 0:38:15.000
<v Speaker 1>That clearly did not materialize.

0:38:14.800 --> 0:38:19.600
<v Speaker 2>The the case against Florida would have been, and I

0:38:19.640 --> 0:38:21.560
<v Speaker 2>didn't tap into it in the same way that you

0:38:21.600 --> 0:38:27.160
<v Speaker 2>didn't tap into it was sometimes Actually no, every single

0:38:27.200 --> 0:38:30.680
<v Speaker 2>fan base feels like the world is that, you know,

0:38:30.719 --> 0:38:33.120
<v Speaker 2>the sky is falling right because they're not recruiting, they're

0:38:33.120 --> 0:38:35.160
<v Speaker 2>not hiring the right coaches, they're not getting the best

0:38:35.160 --> 0:38:37.520
<v Speaker 2>out of their players. Whatever, because just that's the nature

0:38:37.560 --> 0:38:39.600
<v Speaker 2>of fans holding their own team to an incredibly high

0:38:39.640 --> 0:38:44.959
<v Speaker 2>standard that it's unattainable for basically everybody, but Florida fans

0:38:44.960 --> 0:38:48.200
<v Speaker 2>are an educated fan base because they know what incredible

0:38:48.320 --> 0:38:51.719
<v Speaker 2>national teams look like, they know what SEC champions look like,

0:38:52.000 --> 0:38:53.719
<v Speaker 2>and they know what they they don't look like. They've

0:38:53.719 --> 0:38:55.799
<v Speaker 2>had a bunch of coaches who can recruit but can't win,

0:38:55.920 --> 0:38:57.800
<v Speaker 2>or a bunch of coaches who won but eventually couldn't

0:38:57.840 --> 0:39:01.000
<v Speaker 2>recruit and then couldn't win, a bunch of weird personalities

0:39:01.000 --> 0:39:03.160
<v Speaker 2>that weren't going to be long term answers, and so

0:39:03.360 --> 0:39:06.359
<v Speaker 2>Florida fans were very quick to say, it's keeping Todd

0:39:06.400 --> 0:39:10.080
<v Speaker 2>Grantham around. Okay, that's not the answer. A defensive coordinator,

0:39:10.120 --> 0:39:12.239
<v Speaker 2>it's not going to last. Florida's not going to win

0:39:12.280 --> 0:39:15.400
<v Speaker 2>ten games a year with Todd Grantham calling plays on defense.

0:39:15.840 --> 0:39:18.560
<v Speaker 2>Florida fans would say, they're not recruiting as well as

0:39:18.560 --> 0:39:21.800
<v Speaker 2>they should be, and yes, Florida is stringing together top

0:39:21.840 --> 0:39:24.600
<v Speaker 2>ten or top fifteen or top twenty classes or whatever,

0:39:24.920 --> 0:39:27.880
<v Speaker 2>but they're getting killed in their own backyard, which is

0:39:27.920 --> 0:39:32.360
<v Speaker 2>a recipe for a downward trend and so those types

0:39:32.400 --> 0:39:36.080
<v Speaker 2>of things are that the warnings, the trends, that's saying

0:39:36.080 --> 0:39:39.040
<v Speaker 2>like this isn't adding up for a long term solution

0:39:39.239 --> 0:39:43.040
<v Speaker 2>for Dan Mullen, and so that you would have to

0:39:43.160 --> 0:39:46.040
<v Speaker 2>believe and buy into that because I didn't. I looked

0:39:46.040 --> 0:39:48.279
<v Speaker 2>at the classes and I said, they're still pretty good.

0:39:48.400 --> 0:39:51.000
<v Speaker 2>They're not amazing, they're not Urban Meyer Florida classes, but

0:39:51.040 --> 0:39:53.040
<v Speaker 2>they're still pretty good. You can still win a bunch

0:39:53.040 --> 0:39:55.200
<v Speaker 2>of games. Yeah, But at the same time, and like,

0:39:55.480 --> 0:39:57.960
<v Speaker 2>what do they do with Kyle Trask a year ago,

0:39:58.400 --> 0:40:02.320
<v Speaker 2>Kyle Pitts, Caadarius Tony, all these guys were record setting

0:40:02.360 --> 0:40:05.600
<v Speaker 2>guys on offense, but they're not necessarily guys Dan Mullen

0:40:05.640 --> 0:40:06.000
<v Speaker 2>brought in.

0:40:06.320 --> 0:40:06.480
<v Speaker 1>You know.

0:40:06.480 --> 0:40:07.920
<v Speaker 2>It's just one of those things where you're just like

0:40:09.360 --> 0:40:11.480
<v Speaker 2>a lot of Florida fans had that sort of like

0:40:11.680 --> 0:40:12.800
<v Speaker 2>sell high mentality.

0:40:12.920 --> 0:40:17.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I don't feel like Florida fans were unrealistic.

0:40:17.320 --> 0:40:20.920
<v Speaker 1>I felt they were cautiously optimistic about what could happen

0:40:21.680 --> 0:40:26.160
<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty one. But I recall, in just going

0:40:26.200 --> 0:40:28.400
<v Speaker 1>back through my own preview kind of what my headspace

0:40:28.560 --> 0:40:31.840
<v Speaker 1>was talking about Florida. I was high on Florida. I

0:40:31.840 --> 0:40:35.080
<v Speaker 1>would never have bet that over at nine wins because again,

0:40:35.120 --> 0:40:39.640
<v Speaker 1>this is a team that played both Alabama and Georgia,

0:40:40.080 --> 0:40:43.200
<v Speaker 1>which on the surface at that point in whenever we

0:40:43.200 --> 0:40:46.360
<v Speaker 1>did this mid July, right at that point, it seemed

0:40:46.400 --> 0:40:48.839
<v Speaker 1>like those were losses. Now, Florida played Bama pretty tight.

0:40:49.400 --> 0:40:52.560
<v Speaker 1>Oh absolutely could right there, could have won that game,

0:40:53.080 --> 0:40:56.200
<v Speaker 1>but that on the surface looked like two losses. If

0:40:56.200 --> 0:41:01.319
<v Speaker 1>you're betting on the over at that juncture, saying those

0:41:01.320 --> 0:41:03.239
<v Speaker 1>are gonna be two losses, they can't slip up at

0:41:03.280 --> 0:41:05.520
<v Speaker 1>all the rest of the way, right, And I wasn't

0:41:05.560 --> 0:41:07.640
<v Speaker 1>comfortable with that. Now, I think I had him at

0:41:07.640 --> 0:41:10.920
<v Speaker 1>eight wins, eight and four. They fell short of that

0:41:11.040 --> 0:41:14.040
<v Speaker 1>by a couple games, and you know, in many other ways,

0:41:14.120 --> 0:41:16.640
<v Speaker 1>but the Florida one kind of snuck up on me.

0:41:17.200 --> 0:41:19.800
<v Speaker 1>It really did, to the extent that they would only

0:41:19.840 --> 0:41:22.160
<v Speaker 1>win six games and look as bad as they did

0:41:22.239 --> 0:41:25.960
<v Speaker 1>down the stretch, That to me was I could not

0:41:26.000 --> 0:41:27.120
<v Speaker 1>have foreseen that one coming.

0:41:28.480 --> 0:41:31.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, the big the big chakra was probably

0:41:31.120 --> 0:41:33.319
<v Speaker 2>I mean, outside of the first half of the Samford game,

0:41:33.360 --> 0:41:35.920
<v Speaker 2>it's the South Carolina game. It's that you look at

0:41:35.920 --> 0:41:39.600
<v Speaker 2>Florida's schedule they beat an upcoming Tennessee team comfortably to

0:41:39.680 --> 0:41:42.480
<v Speaker 2>go to three and one, I believe. So basically what's

0:41:42.520 --> 0:41:45.200
<v Speaker 2>happening is Kentucky has always been, always been in the

0:41:45.239 --> 0:41:48.320
<v Speaker 2>last few years, they've been solid to, if not good,

0:41:48.719 --> 0:41:52.960
<v Speaker 2>a good team. So they look disastrous against Kentucky and

0:41:53.040 --> 0:41:57.359
<v Speaker 2>just mistake prone. It's the South Carolina game where that

0:41:57.520 --> 0:41:59.640
<v Speaker 2>was like the big indicator LSU it's back and forth,

0:41:59.680 --> 0:42:01.200
<v Speaker 2>it's an uncharacteristic shootout.

0:42:01.239 --> 0:42:01.520
<v Speaker 1>Whatever.

0:42:01.560 --> 0:42:04.920
<v Speaker 2>You lose that game a bunch of turnovers. That was

0:42:05.000 --> 0:42:07.960
<v Speaker 2>an indicator that things have gotten really, really sloppy. And

0:42:07.960 --> 0:42:09.719
<v Speaker 2>that was only a few weeks after the Bama game.

0:42:10.200 --> 0:42:12.600
<v Speaker 2>But you know, losing to Miszoo in overtime the way

0:42:12.600 --> 0:42:15.399
<v Speaker 2>that they did and then South Carolina by twenty three

0:42:15.520 --> 0:42:19.680
<v Speaker 2>or whatever like it just there was a I don't

0:42:19.680 --> 0:42:22.880
<v Speaker 2>know if it's a stubbornness or if it's just I

0:42:22.920 --> 0:42:24.799
<v Speaker 2>don't know what you could have seen ahead of time

0:42:24.800 --> 0:42:26.880
<v Speaker 2>because you look at Emery Jones with the experience he

0:42:26.920 --> 0:42:29.839
<v Speaker 2>had in the program. Dan Mullen still has the offensive mine,

0:42:29.880 --> 0:42:37.480
<v Speaker 2>they still have receivers and just collapsed and I may

0:42:37.520 --> 0:42:39.160
<v Speaker 2>have taken the under If we do this again, if

0:42:39.200 --> 0:42:41.279
<v Speaker 2>we go back in time and do it again. I

0:42:41.400 --> 0:42:43.920
<v Speaker 2>just don't know how much we could have seen this

0:42:44.120 --> 0:42:48.520
<v Speaker 2>coming as outsiders. Michigan's a team that overperformed in a

0:42:48.520 --> 0:42:51.040
<v Speaker 2>big way. Yeah, plus Michigan State in a huge way.

0:42:51.280 --> 0:42:52.399
<v Speaker 2>I can stay in a huge way.

0:42:52.400 --> 0:42:57.319
<v Speaker 1>And plus six Yeah, Oklahoma State also fared very well

0:42:57.360 --> 0:42:59.799
<v Speaker 1>with this one that I would love to talk more

0:42:59.800 --> 0:43:05.480
<v Speaker 1>ab as Baylor. Sure, Baylor's over under was five and

0:43:05.480 --> 0:43:08.080
<v Speaker 1>a half before the start of the year, and I

0:43:08.120 --> 0:43:10.960
<v Speaker 1>went on our Daily Bearers with our friend Peter Pope,

0:43:10.960 --> 0:43:14.560
<v Speaker 1>the Pope, the og Pope, and I talked to him

0:43:14.640 --> 0:43:18.160
<v Speaker 1>about where I was at with Baylor, And you know,

0:43:18.320 --> 0:43:21.720
<v Speaker 1>I think what makes the Baylor result in twenty twenty

0:43:21.760 --> 0:43:25.200
<v Speaker 1>one so damn impressive. And you've heard me say this

0:43:25.320 --> 0:43:28.560
<v Speaker 1>is just the way that Dave Randa looked at what

0:43:28.680 --> 0:43:32.960
<v Speaker 1>transpired in twenty twenty after the weird COVID year. He

0:43:34.040 --> 0:43:37.520
<v Speaker 1>gave an objective analysis as to what he thought was wrong,

0:43:37.560 --> 0:43:41.200
<v Speaker 1>and he changed it. He changed it. Most guys don't

0:43:41.239 --> 0:43:43.799
<v Speaker 1>have the gumption to do that, so he swapped out

0:43:43.800 --> 0:43:48.000
<v Speaker 1>offensive coordinator. He started going for it more n fourth downs.

0:43:48.520 --> 0:43:50.799
<v Speaker 1>He had turnover to deal with, but he was able

0:43:50.840 --> 0:43:53.120
<v Speaker 1>to kind of pull things together in a way that

0:43:53.120 --> 0:43:57.040
<v Speaker 1>they were just really fundamentally sound. Over under again five

0:43:57.040 --> 0:44:00.719
<v Speaker 1>and a half. I was I'm looking at this thinking, geez,

0:44:00.800 --> 0:44:03.279
<v Speaker 1>I don't there are too many question marks here with

0:44:03.320 --> 0:44:06.239
<v Speaker 1>the Baylor Bears. But he circled the wagons. He was

0:44:06.280 --> 0:44:08.719
<v Speaker 1>able to get that team playing so well as a

0:44:08.920 --> 0:44:12.239
<v Speaker 1>team to not beat itself. They had their moments, but

0:44:12.320 --> 0:44:15.319
<v Speaker 1>they were just so solid. That was the theme of

0:44:15.360 --> 0:44:18.280
<v Speaker 1>this past season. If you can have a solid football

0:44:18.280 --> 0:44:21.600
<v Speaker 1>team out there, it will produce, it will produce. We

0:44:21.600 --> 0:44:24.640
<v Speaker 1>saw that. We saw results time and again from teams

0:44:24.640 --> 0:44:29.000
<v Speaker 1>that weren't great but were just really solid. And Baylor,

0:44:30.080 --> 0:44:33.359
<v Speaker 1>let's be honest, Baylor very much fit that mold. They

0:44:33.360 --> 0:44:35.600
<v Speaker 1>were really solid across the board and that's why they

0:44:35.600 --> 0:44:38.480
<v Speaker 1>were plus four and a half plus four and a

0:44:38.520 --> 0:44:39.680
<v Speaker 1>half incredible year.

0:44:40.680 --> 0:44:44.160
<v Speaker 2>It was in retrospect, kind of a strange year in

0:44:44.200 --> 0:44:47.319
<v Speaker 2>the Big Twelve. So I think you have to give

0:44:47.400 --> 0:44:51.720
<v Speaker 2>credit to Baylor for overcoming that, you know, win total

0:44:51.800 --> 0:44:54.120
<v Speaker 2>number in a big way. But at the same time,

0:44:54.200 --> 0:44:55.399
<v Speaker 2>so they actually lose to TC.

0:44:55.680 --> 0:44:56.480
<v Speaker 1>But you look.

0:44:56.360 --> 0:44:59.560
<v Speaker 2>At where the Big Twelve has fallen to in terms

0:44:59.560 --> 0:45:03.200
<v Speaker 2>of week to two week consistency on offense, especially because

0:45:03.239 --> 0:45:08.480
<v Speaker 2>defensively there's some good teams. Sure, so Baylor probably shouldn't

0:45:08.480 --> 0:45:11.280
<v Speaker 2>have beaten Texas Tech. I think that was a Donovan

0:45:11.320 --> 0:45:13.680
<v Speaker 2>Smith lit them up. But they win that game with

0:45:13.719 --> 0:45:15.480
<v Speaker 2>like a you know, a nothing win, like a four

0:45:15.520 --> 0:45:19.640
<v Speaker 2>percent win expectancy or something like that. Texas falls apart

0:45:19.680 --> 0:45:22.520
<v Speaker 2>and Baylor wins that game, and Texas defense is atrocious,

0:45:22.560 --> 0:45:25.480
<v Speaker 2>like Texas is wildly and consistent atrocious. New coach at

0:45:25.560 --> 0:45:30.480
<v Speaker 2>ut Oklahoma State really really good and they lose that game.

0:45:30.719 --> 0:45:33.400
<v Speaker 2>But like West Virginia kind of falls off a cliff

0:45:33.440 --> 0:45:36.600
<v Speaker 2>this year, Oklahoma in the way that they looked on

0:45:36.640 --> 0:45:39.440
<v Speaker 2>offense for large swaths of this year, especially turning to

0:45:39.440 --> 0:45:42.480
<v Speaker 2>a freshman who I think Caleb Williams has all the

0:45:42.480 --> 0:45:45.080
<v Speaker 2>potential in the world, but he threw in some clunkers

0:45:45.080 --> 0:45:47.719
<v Speaker 2>of quarters haves and just general game performances.

0:45:49.040 --> 0:45:49.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

0:45:49.400 --> 0:45:52.680
<v Speaker 2>I just some of it is Baylor just taking advantage.

0:45:52.719 --> 0:45:55.240
<v Speaker 2>Like Baylor just found themselves on much more solid ground

0:45:55.239 --> 0:45:57.759
<v Speaker 2>than much of the conference, and so I don't know,

0:45:57.880 --> 0:46:00.000
<v Speaker 2>I could not have predicted that. I like the Jeff

0:46:00.120 --> 0:46:02.719
<v Speaker 2>Grimes higher, I was unsure of where they were going

0:46:02.760 --> 0:46:04.759
<v Speaker 2>to be at quarterback, but I figured it was going

0:46:04.800 --> 0:46:06.680
<v Speaker 2>to be an upgrade over where Charlie Brewer was in

0:46:06.719 --> 0:46:10.120
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty. But yeah, I don't know how much there

0:46:10.160 --> 0:46:13.200
<v Speaker 2>is in terms of lessons to glean from Baylor's twenty

0:46:13.200 --> 0:46:16.840
<v Speaker 2>twenty one going into the year. As much as it

0:46:16.920 --> 0:46:19.560
<v Speaker 2>is like weird, you're in the Big twelve and Baylor

0:46:19.640 --> 0:46:21.520
<v Speaker 2>seems solid all around and took more chances.

0:46:21.920 --> 0:46:25.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think it bodes well for Baylor moving forward.

0:46:25.960 --> 0:46:29.319
<v Speaker 1>I think if nothing more, and you're right, there is

0:46:29.400 --> 0:46:34.840
<v Speaker 1>definitely an atmospheric calculation that we need to make. I

0:46:34.920 --> 0:46:36.759
<v Speaker 1>just sort of made that up, but oh, it's a

0:46:36.760 --> 0:46:38.799
<v Speaker 1>good turn of phrase. I like it. You need to

0:46:38.840 --> 0:46:41.560
<v Speaker 1>look at these surroundings, the other teams in the conference

0:46:42.160 --> 0:46:44.640
<v Speaker 1>to figure out how much value you want to put

0:46:44.680 --> 0:46:46.640
<v Speaker 1>on some of these results. There was some of that

0:46:46.719 --> 0:46:49.640
<v Speaker 1>going on for Baylor. But yeah, if nothing more, I

0:46:49.640 --> 0:46:51.760
<v Speaker 1>think you come out of the twenty twenty one campaign

0:46:52.480 --> 0:46:57.040
<v Speaker 1>obviously conference champion. You'll take that. And if nothing more,

0:46:57.080 --> 0:46:59.279
<v Speaker 1>you know that Dave r Anna can coach. You know,

0:46:59.400 --> 0:47:01.919
<v Speaker 1>Dave Ranneck coach. Now you know you got to see

0:47:01.920 --> 0:47:03.640
<v Speaker 1>a full body of worker. You know you can coach

0:47:04.600 --> 0:47:06.680
<v Speaker 1>on that one snuck up on me. The Baylor one

0:47:06.719 --> 0:47:12.200
<v Speaker 1>snuck up on me. One that didn't was NC State. Yeah,

0:47:12.320 --> 0:47:14.319
<v Speaker 1>you liked NC State a good deal more than I did.

0:47:14.320 --> 0:47:16.719
<v Speaker 1>Going into the air, I was all in on NC State.

0:47:16.719 --> 0:47:20.160
<v Speaker 1>They're over under was six. They finished with nine wins.

0:47:20.200 --> 0:47:23.400
<v Speaker 1>They had losses at Mississippi State, where they played like

0:47:23.480 --> 0:47:26.200
<v Speaker 1>crap Week two. It was a horrible game. They lost

0:47:26.239 --> 0:47:28.799
<v Speaker 1>a really close one on the road at Miami, and

0:47:28.800 --> 0:47:31.680
<v Speaker 1>then they lost the shootout on the road against wake Forest.

0:47:31.719 --> 0:47:34.640
<v Speaker 1>Those are their three winses, but every other game along

0:47:34.680 --> 0:47:38.200
<v Speaker 1>the way they won. They had the big, you could argue,

0:47:38.239 --> 0:47:41.120
<v Speaker 1>program defining win, even though it might not have been

0:47:41.160 --> 0:47:43.880
<v Speaker 1>a full strength Clemson team because of their injuries and

0:47:43.920 --> 0:47:47.800
<v Speaker 1>just some of their struggles early, but beating Clemson twenty

0:47:47.840 --> 0:47:49.480
<v Speaker 1>seven to twenty one in the first month of the

0:47:49.480 --> 0:47:52.120
<v Speaker 1>season was a pretty big deal for NC State. Of course,

0:47:53.719 --> 0:47:55.759
<v Speaker 1>that was a game we didn't know about, and I

0:47:55.800 --> 0:47:57.719
<v Speaker 1>understand why Vegas might want to look at that one

0:47:57.719 --> 0:48:00.799
<v Speaker 1>and say, ah, that's that's probably a loss. But it

0:48:00.920 --> 0:48:04.359
<v Speaker 1>was strange to me that they would not give NC

0:48:04.480 --> 0:48:08.799
<v Speaker 1>State more credit than six wins for that line because

0:48:08.840 --> 0:48:11.759
<v Speaker 1>it was a veteran team. Granted, we only saw Devin

0:48:11.840 --> 0:48:13.640
<v Speaker 1>Leary here in their year ago. Yeah we didn't know,

0:48:13.719 --> 0:48:15.040
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, we just didn't know. There were a lot

0:48:15.080 --> 0:48:20.880
<v Speaker 1>of uncertain aspects to this team. But with all they

0:48:20.880 --> 0:48:23.040
<v Speaker 1>had coming back and with what appeared to be a

0:48:23.160 --> 0:48:27.680
<v Speaker 1>relatively favorable schedule, over six seemed like a lock. To me.

0:48:28.040 --> 0:48:29.520
<v Speaker 1>I wish I would have bet it. I didn't bet it.

0:48:29.560 --> 0:48:31.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't like doing over unders because then your money's

0:48:31.520 --> 0:48:33.200
<v Speaker 1>locked up and I'm not betting a whole lot. But

0:48:35.040 --> 0:48:37.120
<v Speaker 1>I wish that were one that I would have stuck

0:48:37.160 --> 0:48:39.560
<v Speaker 1>to my guns and actually bet in real life, because

0:48:40.080 --> 0:48:42.240
<v Speaker 1>I really liked the Wolfpack going into this season.

0:48:43.640 --> 0:48:45.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah they were so in twenty twenty they go eight

0:48:45.840 --> 0:48:48.279
<v Speaker 2>and four. Twenty nineteen was a disastrous year, so it

0:48:48.320 --> 0:48:50.319
<v Speaker 2>seemed like things were trending up, but they didn't do

0:48:50.360 --> 0:48:53.359
<v Speaker 2>anything amazingly well. And I think largely that was because

0:48:53.400 --> 0:48:57.960
<v Speaker 2>of Devin Leary's injury, and it was what Bailey Hawkman, yeah,

0:48:58.080 --> 0:49:01.279
<v Speaker 2>took over. Yep, and so it's backup quarterback. So they're

0:49:01.320 --> 0:49:05.320
<v Speaker 2>getting healthier, and yeah, it was a good move, especially

0:49:05.360 --> 0:49:08.000
<v Speaker 2>if you figured the ACC was going to continue to

0:49:08.040 --> 0:49:11.520
<v Speaker 2>be as topsy turvy that Dave Dorin is somebody who

0:49:11.600 --> 0:49:15.680
<v Speaker 2>is right, he's a competence buoye in Rocky Seas, right,

0:49:15.719 --> 0:49:18.120
<v Speaker 2>he's always getting that the eight nine wins. So that

0:49:18.239 --> 0:49:20.319
<v Speaker 2>makes sense that you would have had that faith, but

0:49:20.320 --> 0:49:21.759
<v Speaker 2>you would have also had to just be a Devin

0:49:21.840 --> 0:49:25.760
<v Speaker 2>Leary believer. You would have to have been a believer there.

0:49:25.840 --> 0:49:29.719
<v Speaker 2>And also in like you know, North Carolina given what

0:49:29.719 --> 0:49:31.279
<v Speaker 2>they've lost, and we can get into them next if

0:49:31.280 --> 0:49:33.680
<v Speaker 2>you want, given what they've lost, or Virginia Tech given

0:49:33.719 --> 0:49:36.600
<v Speaker 2>like justin Fwente's status even after the twenty twenty season,

0:49:36.640 --> 0:49:38.759
<v Speaker 2>you're just sure, I don't know NC State, just like

0:49:39.080 --> 0:49:42.200
<v Speaker 2>they hire Tony Gibson, and like I just you were

0:49:42.239 --> 0:49:48.400
<v Speaker 2>just betting on foundation. You were betting on consistency in

0:49:47.960 --> 0:49:51.240
<v Speaker 2>a conference that seemed to have a lot of variants.

0:49:51.400 --> 0:49:55.480
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I get the NC State appreciation going into

0:49:55.520 --> 0:49:56.319
<v Speaker 2>the air, I get that.

0:49:56.640 --> 0:49:59.279
<v Speaker 1>Let me talk to you about in North Carolina, UNC.

0:49:59.400 --> 0:50:05.759
<v Speaker 1>Excuse me. Yeah. North Carolina's over under was ten. Yeah,

0:50:06.800 --> 0:50:09.520
<v Speaker 1>big number. And this is a team that had a

0:50:09.560 --> 0:50:15.200
<v Speaker 1>lot of production go to the NFL, and so to

0:50:15.280 --> 0:50:18.600
<v Speaker 1>set that at ten always felt high to me. Now,

0:50:18.680 --> 0:50:21.480
<v Speaker 1>I really like Sam Howe. We both did. We're both

0:50:21.520 --> 0:50:25.080
<v Speaker 1>Sam Howe believers. We like Samo a lot, and I

0:50:25.080 --> 0:50:30.320
<v Speaker 1>think we both feel generally pretty good about the talent

0:50:30.400 --> 0:50:32.839
<v Speaker 1>that Mac Brown has brought into Chapel Hill. It's done

0:50:32.840 --> 0:50:36.799
<v Speaker 1>a good job in the recruiting trail. That being said,

0:50:36.840 --> 0:50:41.600
<v Speaker 1>ten is still a pretty big number. Yeah, And I

0:50:41.640 --> 0:50:45.920
<v Speaker 1>don't remember where you were exactly on North Carolina. I

0:50:45.920 --> 0:50:48.719
<v Speaker 1>think you did the preview for the tar Heels, but

0:50:48.800 --> 0:50:52.440
<v Speaker 1>I remember looking at that number and saying, Okay, I

0:50:52.560 --> 0:50:56.040
<v Speaker 1>like you and C I hope UNC can rise up

0:50:56.080 --> 0:50:58.799
<v Speaker 1>as the counterbalance to Clemson. At the time, we were

0:50:58.800 --> 0:51:02.200
<v Speaker 1>all in on Clemson too, right, But ten wins feels

0:51:02.239 --> 0:51:02.920
<v Speaker 1>like a stretch.

0:51:03.360 --> 0:51:05.720
<v Speaker 2>And North Carolina, by the way, has been a decent

0:51:05.760 --> 0:51:07.440
<v Speaker 2>counterbalance on the recruiting trip they have.

0:51:07.640 --> 0:51:13.040
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. Yeah, So did to what extent did North Carolina

0:51:13.160 --> 0:51:14.160
<v Speaker 1>take you by surprise?

0:51:16.800 --> 0:51:20.720
<v Speaker 2>A decent amount of surprise. I figured that a NFL

0:51:20.760 --> 0:51:23.640
<v Speaker 2>caliber quarterback, a first round NFL caliber quarterback, was good

0:51:23.800 --> 0:51:27.560
<v Speaker 2>enough to raise the level of everybody around him. The

0:51:27.600 --> 0:51:30.239
<v Speaker 2>problem is that's true of receivers. It can be true

0:51:30.280 --> 0:51:35.160
<v Speaker 2>of a running game, but when he is constantly under pressure,

0:51:35.239 --> 0:51:39.759
<v Speaker 2>when you lose a line in college, there's only so

0:51:39.920 --> 0:51:43.040
<v Speaker 2>much you can do to improve in a year. And

0:51:43.200 --> 0:51:44.960
<v Speaker 2>it's not the NFL where you go into free agency.

0:51:44.960 --> 0:51:47.200
<v Speaker 2>It's not the NFL where you can prioritize line in

0:51:47.239 --> 0:51:49.760
<v Speaker 2>the draft or something like that. Yeah, and even NFL

0:51:49.760 --> 0:51:53.279
<v Speaker 2>teams struggle with that a good deal. And so with

0:51:53.320 --> 0:51:55.799
<v Speaker 2>it being relatively early in mac Brown's tenure. I was

0:51:55.920 --> 0:51:58.560
<v Speaker 2>never a huge fan of the J Bateman higher. I

0:51:58.560 --> 0:52:00.880
<v Speaker 2>thought he was merely okay, if not a little bit

0:52:00.880 --> 0:52:03.560
<v Speaker 2>below average at Army. I thought North Carolina could have

0:52:03.640 --> 0:52:06.160
<v Speaker 2>done better at defensive coordinator. And some of those cracks

0:52:06.160 --> 0:52:09.560
<v Speaker 2>shown like North Carolina got completely torched in twenty twenty.

0:52:09.600 --> 0:52:12.200
<v Speaker 2>In the back end, they ended up what starting a

0:52:12.280 --> 0:52:14.719
<v Speaker 2>high school senior, Tony Grimes when he was a top

0:52:14.760 --> 0:52:18.919
<v Speaker 2>recruit essentially who enrolled early. So that was a worrisome trend.

0:52:18.920 --> 0:52:21.080
<v Speaker 2>They weren't covering a bunch of games in twenty twenty.

0:52:21.120 --> 0:52:23.880
<v Speaker 2>The defense showed some cracks just up front. They just

0:52:24.160 --> 0:52:27.040
<v Speaker 2>weren't as strong in the trenches as they probably should

0:52:27.080 --> 0:52:30.720
<v Speaker 2>have been considering mac Brown's recruiting ability. They didn't necessarily

0:52:30.800 --> 0:52:32.480
<v Speaker 2>hit the portal as hard as they should, I guess

0:52:32.480 --> 0:52:36.600
<v Speaker 2>in retrospect. But ten, yeah, ten seemed like an inflated

0:52:36.680 --> 0:52:40.680
<v Speaker 2>number and it's almost it's almost I was gonna say,

0:52:40.680 --> 0:52:47.200
<v Speaker 2>it's compared comparable to where Iowa State was, where yeah,

0:52:47.239 --> 0:52:50.160
<v Speaker 2>a program can be interesting and deep. In Iowa State

0:52:50.239 --> 0:52:52.920
<v Speaker 2>was coming off of a bigger platform and winning I

0:52:52.960 --> 0:52:55.399
<v Speaker 2>think the Fiesta bal the year before, where like, okay,

0:52:55.400 --> 0:52:57.799
<v Speaker 2>they're returning everybody, They're just going to take the next step.

0:52:57.800 --> 0:53:00.520
<v Speaker 2>They've got an experienced quarterback, the coach, the coaching staff,

0:53:00.760 --> 0:53:02.799
<v Speaker 2>you know, the lines are intact. Like it made sense

0:53:02.840 --> 0:53:06.600
<v Speaker 2>that people would be bullish on Iowa State. But North

0:53:06.640 --> 0:53:09.360
<v Speaker 2>Carolina winning ten games with what they had to replace,

0:53:11.000 --> 0:53:15.759
<v Speaker 2>it seemed like not unreasonable. But that is everything needs

0:53:15.800 --> 0:53:18.160
<v Speaker 2>to go right. Every young player needs to hit on

0:53:18.160 --> 0:53:22.480
<v Speaker 2>their potential and they need to win every single clunker,

0:53:22.520 --> 0:53:25.239
<v Speaker 2>every single fifty to fifty game. And that's just a

0:53:25.239 --> 0:53:26.960
<v Speaker 2>lot to ask. That's a lot to ask when you

0:53:27.000 --> 0:53:28.600
<v Speaker 2>don't have the depth yet. It's a lot to ask

0:53:28.600 --> 0:53:30.840
<v Speaker 2>when you don't have the defense to bail you out

0:53:31.040 --> 0:53:33.520
<v Speaker 2>of turnovers, to bail you out of situations. And so

0:53:34.960 --> 0:53:37.600
<v Speaker 2>in retrospect, it maybe seems a little bit more obvious

0:53:37.640 --> 0:53:41.000
<v Speaker 2>to me, But no, I didn't see this kind of

0:53:41.880 --> 0:53:43.840
<v Speaker 2>week in week out, Like you look at the Georgia

0:53:43.840 --> 0:53:46.160
<v Speaker 2>Tech game. They gave up what forty fifty points? Did

0:53:46.200 --> 0:53:49.279
<v Speaker 2>this Georgia Tech team didn't see that potential coming.

0:53:49.320 --> 0:53:53.520
<v Speaker 1>Now, surprise, not surprised. Let's go through some of the

0:53:53.600 --> 0:53:59.160
<v Speaker 1>other teams on this list here. Houston. Houston won eleven games.

0:53:59.160 --> 0:54:01.880
<v Speaker 1>They're over under eight. I was not surprised by that

0:54:01.920 --> 0:54:03.360
<v Speaker 1>at all. I was in on Houston.

0:54:04.680 --> 0:54:06.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I wasn't to this extent. I didn't think the

0:54:06.719 --> 0:54:10.120
<v Speaker 2>defense would be as good. But it's one of those

0:54:10.160 --> 0:54:15.480
<v Speaker 2>things where they were hitting the portal hard. And I

0:54:15.520 --> 0:54:17.759
<v Speaker 2>think most of us believe Dana Holgersson is a good

0:54:17.840 --> 0:54:21.080
<v Speaker 2>but not great coach, and a good coach in the

0:54:21.120 --> 0:54:25.800
<v Speaker 2>American hitting the portal returning a quarterback, Yeah, yeah, I

0:54:25.840 --> 0:54:27.279
<v Speaker 2>would have penciled him for nine or ten. I did

0:54:27.320 --> 0:54:28.200
<v Speaker 2>not see eleven.

0:54:27.920 --> 0:54:29.680
<v Speaker 1>Coming, Yeah I didn't. I didn't see eleven, but I

0:54:29.760 --> 0:54:32.560
<v Speaker 1>was in on Houston. Oklahoma State's an interesting case. Seven

0:54:32.600 --> 0:54:36.640
<v Speaker 1>and a half before the season obviously went three and

0:54:36.640 --> 0:54:40.080
<v Speaker 1>a half over that number. YEP, just had the what

0:54:40.239 --> 0:54:45.240
<v Speaker 1>one regular season loss? We felt good about the defense.

0:54:45.280 --> 0:54:49.280
<v Speaker 1>The defense had been trending in a good direction. I

0:54:49.320 --> 0:54:57.279
<v Speaker 1>have never been shy to admit my reluctance on the

0:54:57.320 --> 0:55:01.000
<v Speaker 1>Spencer Sanders front totally. The defense had been trending in

0:55:01.040 --> 0:55:03.920
<v Speaker 1>a good direction. I think we undervalued, frankly, how good

0:55:03.960 --> 0:55:07.160
<v Speaker 1>it could be. It was very good defense, very good defense.

0:55:07.160 --> 0:55:09.719
<v Speaker 1>That's why they got to the heights that they did.

0:55:10.080 --> 0:55:12.839
<v Speaker 1>So that one surprised me a little bit. What about

0:55:12.840 --> 0:55:13.239
<v Speaker 1>ole Miss?

0:55:13.360 --> 0:55:19.520
<v Speaker 2>Dan uh ole Miss surprised, not dramatically so and by

0:55:19.520 --> 0:55:22.160
<v Speaker 2>the way, Oklahoma States surprised, but not dramatically so too.

0:55:22.200 --> 0:55:24.799
<v Speaker 2>I figured they'd be pretty good, but I didn't see

0:55:24.800 --> 0:55:27.799
<v Speaker 2>the star power on offense, which made me think that

0:55:27.840 --> 0:55:30.439
<v Speaker 2>they would win two three games or excuse me, lose

0:55:30.480 --> 0:55:33.160
<v Speaker 2>two or three two, three, four games but still feel

0:55:33.239 --> 0:55:36.160
<v Speaker 2>a really strong defense. And you know, the combination of

0:55:36.200 --> 0:55:38.320
<v Speaker 2>not having the star power and a mistake prone quarterback,

0:55:38.320 --> 0:55:41.399
<v Speaker 2>it worried me. And they gave me a reason not Tory. Yeah,

0:55:43.160 --> 0:55:48.759
<v Speaker 2>Ole Miss was interesting. Lane Kiffin and a quarterback with

0:55:48.920 --> 0:55:54.120
<v Speaker 2>talent is tantalizing, like especially in his first real season

0:55:54.160 --> 0:55:59.880
<v Speaker 2>coaching the team, and where that defense was when he arrived,

0:56:00.080 --> 0:56:03.359
<v Speaker 2>with where that defense ascended to this year to become

0:56:03.360 --> 0:56:10.200
<v Speaker 2>pretty interesting. Not a full surprise, but dramatically over. Yeah,

0:56:10.440 --> 0:56:10.880
<v Speaker 2>I think.

0:56:11.000 --> 0:56:13.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm surprised that in year two. He won ten games.

0:56:13.480 --> 0:56:17.920
<v Speaker 1>For sure. I didn't see it coming. The BYU result

0:56:17.960 --> 0:56:22.200
<v Speaker 1>this year was what ten wins? They were good. I

0:56:22.239 --> 0:56:25.359
<v Speaker 1>did not see this one coming to this extent six

0:56:25.400 --> 0:56:28.520
<v Speaker 1>and a half. To me, I recall being very much

0:56:28.520 --> 0:56:31.480
<v Speaker 1>on the fence because new quarterback, they've got some turnover.

0:56:34.200 --> 0:56:36.600
<v Speaker 1>It was a great campaign. I didn't so I didn't

0:56:36.600 --> 0:56:38.080
<v Speaker 1>see that one coming, not to this extent.

0:56:38.960 --> 0:56:41.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the BYU thing, you would had to have been

0:56:42.200 --> 0:56:46.400
<v Speaker 2>extremely down on the PAC twelve. Yeah, you would have

0:56:46.440 --> 0:56:49.879
<v Speaker 2>had to know that Charlie Brewer was not long for

0:56:49.960 --> 0:56:52.200
<v Speaker 2>Salt Lake City, but they were going to play him

0:56:52.440 --> 0:56:55.680
<v Speaker 2>in the Holy War week two and then cam Rising

0:56:55.680 --> 0:57:00.720
<v Speaker 2>would have been a clearly better option. And so yeah,

0:57:00.840 --> 0:57:04.640
<v Speaker 2>they were they were hard out and I definitely didn't

0:57:04.640 --> 0:57:07.480
<v Speaker 2>see it coming. I definitely thought they had enough to

0:57:07.640 --> 0:57:08.640
<v Speaker 2>still be decent.

0:57:08.920 --> 0:57:12.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it's in the same boat. Yeah. They basically

0:57:12.560 --> 0:57:13.960
<v Speaker 1>they lose to Boise State.

0:57:13.800 --> 0:57:17.240
<v Speaker 2>And they lose on the road to Baylor. They get

0:57:17.560 --> 0:57:23.240
<v Speaker 2>a disastrously bad collapsing USC A woefully I would say

0:57:23.240 --> 0:57:25.640
<v Speaker 2>woefully disappointing, but a disappointing ASU team.

0:57:25.640 --> 0:57:26.760
<v Speaker 1>But that game is in provo.

0:57:27.280 --> 0:57:30.160
<v Speaker 2>They get Washington State, I think on the heels of

0:57:30.320 --> 0:57:33.400
<v Speaker 2>Wazoo firing their coach, which is an incredibly difficult spot

0:57:33.680 --> 0:57:39.720
<v Speaker 2>for Wazoo, and they get what Virginia was. Did Brendan

0:57:39.800 --> 0:57:43.080
<v Speaker 2>Armstrong play in that game or I don't. I don't know,

0:57:43.080 --> 0:57:44.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't. You can pull that up while I'm talking.

0:57:44.800 --> 0:57:47.080
<v Speaker 2>It was just a weird year for b and things

0:57:47.360 --> 0:57:51.360
<v Speaker 2>broke their way, but they I mean, they largely took

0:57:51.400 --> 0:57:54.200
<v Speaker 2>care of business. I mean, there was a shootout against Virginia,

0:57:54.840 --> 0:57:59.200
<v Speaker 2>but otherwise, Yeah, I guess you just could have looked

0:57:59.200 --> 0:58:02.440
<v Speaker 2>at BYU and said they're a wild card, let's go

0:58:02.560 --> 0:58:06.560
<v Speaker 2>over just because they look solid. Clonie Sataki is hired.

0:58:06.600 --> 0:58:08.960
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, but no, I don't I don't think I

0:58:09.000 --> 0:58:12.240
<v Speaker 1>would have been confident in that over. Uh, Pitt did well.

0:58:12.440 --> 0:58:15.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that's terribly surprising. We liked Kenny Pickett.

0:58:15.960 --> 0:58:18.720
<v Speaker 1>I you know, I don't know if I quite expected

0:58:18.720 --> 0:58:21.880
<v Speaker 1>that kind of campaign, but the Kenny Pickett to Jordan

0:58:21.960 --> 0:58:26.080
<v Speaker 1>Addison connection really blossomed. The Pitt defense. The pit Past

0:58:26.160 --> 0:58:30.880
<v Speaker 1>defense especially sort of let them down but somewhat Yeah,

0:58:31.280 --> 0:58:33.680
<v Speaker 1>this was definitely a good team led by its quarterback.

0:58:34.400 --> 0:58:37.760
<v Speaker 1>So it's not all that surprising to me one that

0:58:37.920 --> 0:58:39.280
<v Speaker 1>I I too that I was.

0:58:39.240 --> 0:58:42.360
<v Speaker 2>In on pit by the way, a big There's no

0:58:42.400 --> 0:58:45.080
<v Speaker 2>way I saw the Kenny Pickett thing coming that type

0:58:45.080 --> 0:58:48.400
<v Speaker 2>of improvement. But it just in looking at their schedule

0:58:48.440 --> 0:58:51.840
<v Speaker 2>ahead of time with Tennessee with a new coach, I mean,

0:58:51.840 --> 0:58:54.760
<v Speaker 2>they end up losing to Western Michigan, but otherwise, like

0:58:54.840 --> 0:58:59.080
<v Speaker 2>the non conference isn't terrible. And then you have Georgia Tech,

0:58:59.120 --> 0:59:01.440
<v Speaker 2>which was lost into the season, it still appears to

0:59:01.440 --> 0:59:04.120
<v Speaker 2>be lost. Virginia Tech coming out and saying, we're not

0:59:04.160 --> 0:59:06.200
<v Speaker 2>firing our coach, but we do need to tell you

0:59:06.280 --> 0:59:09.120
<v Speaker 2>that we're not firing our coach. Definitely didn't see the

0:59:09.160 --> 0:59:12.640
<v Speaker 2>Clemson collapse quote unquote coming, even though they you know,

0:59:12.760 --> 0:59:14.960
<v Speaker 2>got to a respectable number of wins in a quote

0:59:15.040 --> 0:59:18.320
<v Speaker 2>unquote down year. But yeah, the Miami thing going to

0:59:18.320 --> 0:59:20.960
<v Speaker 2>a backup quarterback who worked out for them, but Miami

0:59:21.040 --> 0:59:24.320
<v Speaker 2>having the topsy turvy year that they did, I figured

0:59:24.320 --> 0:59:27.200
<v Speaker 2>that they would be on more solid ground this year,

0:59:27.280 --> 0:59:30.000
<v Speaker 2>returning Derek King, returning what they did on defense led

0:59:30.040 --> 0:59:34.280
<v Speaker 2>by like Bubba Bolden, whatever. I just I didn't see

0:59:34.280 --> 0:59:37.080
<v Speaker 2>Pitt as that other like competence buoy along with NC

0:59:37.200 --> 0:59:39.800
<v Speaker 2>State within the ACC that like, look, they're not an

0:59:39.800 --> 0:59:43.520
<v Speaker 2>amazing team, but they're a good team. The Good getsy places, right,

0:59:43.520 --> 0:59:46.400
<v Speaker 2>It's sort of the Baylor Sea Places the Baylor theme. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>Good getsy places in a season as crazy as twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty one, where there was a lot more parody than

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<v Speaker 2>I think we've seen in a lot of recent years.

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<v Speaker 2>I do want to talk very quickly about Texas, Northwestern.

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<v Speaker 1>And Nebraska, because I think each those is interesting. But

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<v Speaker 1>we can't fully close the loop on some of the

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<v Speaker 1>surprise teams to the Good without mentioning Perdue and Michigan State.

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<v Speaker 1>Perdue was the giant killer. Perdue was the fun team

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<v Speaker 1>that everyone wanted to root for, had a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>big upsets, led in large part by David Bell and

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<v Speaker 1>George Karloftis, both of whom are going to the NFL,

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<v Speaker 1>both of whom declared that they were going to the

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<v Speaker 1>NFL before the bowl game. They opted out of a

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<v Speaker 1>bowl game. Then they somehow beat Tennessee in the bowl game,

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<v Speaker 1>which was I think a great testament to how hard

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<v Speaker 1>that team has played all season. To be without those

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<v Speaker 1>guys and still win was in my view, a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>big deal. So nobody could have seen the extent to

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<v Speaker 1>which Purdue would rise above their six win over under.

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<v Speaker 1>Finishing with nine wins is an incredible campaign for them.

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<v Speaker 1>The Michigan State thing, though, is just freaking eerie. Four

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<v Speaker 1>wins always felt a little light. However, we didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>much to go on. We knew that they showed some

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<v Speaker 1>fight in twenty two, and they only won two games

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<v Speaker 1>of twenty twenty, but one of them was Michigan was

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<v Speaker 1>the other Penn State, like whoever it was right, Going

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<v Speaker 1>two and five in that campaign was not necessarily a

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<v Speaker 1>great portal into what we might see here in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one. But this is a team that continuously played

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<v Speaker 1>really tough, and they found ways to manufacture points. They

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<v Speaker 1>were good on offense, not so much on defense. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but the Michigan State one above all others. To be

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<v Speaker 1>plus six over there over under a four was just

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<v Speaker 1>sort of the crown jewel of this past college football season,

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<v Speaker 1>at least within this context.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought the floor would be raised via portal via

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<v Speaker 2>Meltucker's coaching acumen. I thought he made good hires when

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<v Speaker 2>he was first there, and that it was going to

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<v Speaker 2>take some time. Impossible to judge in the COVID year,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, as it is for most teams that made

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<v Speaker 2>a higher in the COVID year. But I looked at

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<v Speaker 2>Michigan State as a team in a program who hadn't

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<v Speaker 2>found a quarterback who was Northwestern. By the way, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>Big ten West Champ twenty twenty Big ten West Champ Northwestern,

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<v Speaker 2>whom Michigan State beat, not Penn State in twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>I figured the floora would be raised.

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<v Speaker 2>I figured with the raised level at various positions, the

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<v Speaker 2>floor will be raised. But I didn't see them as

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<v Speaker 2>solving quarterback. And so no, I didn't expect anything anywhere

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<v Speaker 2>near this. So you were just you were just buying

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<v Speaker 2>low on Michigan State if you were a believer in

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<v Speaker 2>them or a Michigan State fan, because unless you were

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<v Speaker 2>close to that program and following them day to day,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was pretty difficult to see. Look and

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<v Speaker 2>they you know, they sneak by in a couple games,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the disastrous second half against Nebraska and the

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<v Speaker 2>weird game against Indiana, and they get the fortuitous fumble

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<v Speaker 2>against Michigan, but even still they're comfortably hitting the over

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<v Speaker 2>with those wins. So no, could not have seen that coming.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, look ahead of the season, you're I mean

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<v Speaker 2>you're looking at the schedule and you're like, it's difficult

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<v Speaker 2>to find eight or nine wins on this Michigan State schedule,

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<v Speaker 2>like it was looking at Purdue schedule, like you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to be a believer in Purdue on the road against

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<v Speaker 2>Iowa and on the road against Nebraska. Yeah, this Perdue

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<v Speaker 2>team exactly like it. Just I don't think a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people were in that headspace, and so yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>think Michigan State definitely overperformed, at least in my eyes,

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<v Speaker 2>and I see that as a good thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's close this conversation out by talking about three teams. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about Texas, who was minus three there over

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<v Speaker 1>under was eight, they finished with five. Let's talk about

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<v Speaker 1>Northwestern was minus three and a half, they're over under

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<v Speaker 1>was six and a half. And let's talk about Nebraska.

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<v Speaker 1>They're over under was six. They obviously finished three and

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<v Speaker 1>nine with those nine to one score losses. Whatever it was,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever the crazy stat was for the Cornhuskers. I'm curious

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<v Speaker 1>to get your take on which of those three teams

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<v Speaker 1>surprises you the most with the way they finished. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like It's a very interesting topic for discussion because

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<v Speaker 1>and here's why. Okay, Texas had the new coach, but

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<v Speaker 1>a ton of talent, And even if you were unreasonably

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<v Speaker 1>high on the Longhorns the way I was, I was

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<v Speaker 1>gonna say, like your heart, like I was, hmm, full disclosure.

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<v Speaker 1>It still seems a little wild to me that they

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<v Speaker 1>would only finish with five wins. That's very surprising Northwestern.

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<v Speaker 1>I Northwestern were accustomed to them finding a way to

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<v Speaker 1>win the Big Ten West. But I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>either of us was all that high on the Wildcats

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<v Speaker 1>going into this past season. We had our moments where

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<v Speaker 1>we talked aspects of that team up, but I don't

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<v Speaker 1>remember us ever being all that gung ho on the Wildcats,

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<v Speaker 1>So that one, to me, is not surprising. Nebraska. Nebraska

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<v Speaker 1>had a brutal schedule, and so I was almost willing

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<v Speaker 1>to accept pretty much any result for them in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one. I didn't want it to be a situation

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<v Speaker 1>where they only had three wins. I don't want that,

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<v Speaker 1>but six. To me, it was like I could go

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<v Speaker 1>either way on this. It's not surprising that they would

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<v Speaker 1>fall short of that. I think of the three Texas

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<v Speaker 1>is the one that surprises me the most because if

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<v Speaker 1>we want to talk about atmospherics in the Big Twelve,

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<v Speaker 1>as you did earlier, it really was a more gettable

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<v Speaker 1>version of the Big Twelve this past season, and for

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<v Speaker 1>Texas to be as disorganized as they were to have

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<v Speaker 1>still have trouble tackling on defense despite that apparently being

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<v Speaker 1>like a focal point going into the year, that to

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<v Speaker 1>me is still the biggest disappointment of those three teams. Agree,

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<v Speaker 1>disagree where you.

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<v Speaker 2>At disagree to me, it's Nebraska. It's Nebraska because of

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<v Speaker 2>the amount of time Scott Frost has now been in Lincoln,

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<v Speaker 2>the experience of Adrian Martinez, the improvement of the defense

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<v Speaker 2>since Scott Frost got there. Under I think it's Eric Shenander,

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<v Speaker 2>the defensive coordinator who goes back to Oregon days with

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<v Speaker 2>Scott Frost, and the schedule nowithstanding because it's a tough schedule.

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<v Speaker 2>I just I don't know. It's the Big Ten West,

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<v Speaker 2>which I think is fine, but you know, we're coming

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<v Speaker 2>off of a year in which Wisconsin was extremely disappointing.

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<v Speaker 2>Minnesota was extremely disappointing for a stretch in twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>that like I thought Nebraska had enough continuity there that

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<v Speaker 2>they would be able to close out games. And the

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<v Speaker 2>surprise to me is this should be the surprise to everybody,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's very hard to go three and nine with

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<v Speaker 2>a competent offense and a good defense.

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<v Speaker 1>It just is. That's true. It just is.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I file Texas under the sort of like

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<v Speaker 2>Lakers law that Vegas is always going to inflate a

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<v Speaker 2>Lakers win total because you know, La guys always go

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<v Speaker 2>to Vegas and they love betting the Lakers and betting

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<v Speaker 2>the over, and they're just like, there's so much enthusiasm

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<v Speaker 2>around Texas in the way that there's enthusiasm over like

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<v Speaker 2>the Lakers and the Yankees and all these things where

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<v Speaker 2>it's just like doesn't take much to bring them back.

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<v Speaker 2>They're Texas, come on. And so Texas is coming off

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<v Speaker 2>a Bowl performance in which they look like they maybe

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<v Speaker 2>have a quarterback of the future and Casey Thompson and

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<v Speaker 2>although they nam Hudson card the starter, so he's like

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<v Speaker 2>compared to Aaron Rodgers, Bruce Fellman compares him to Aaron

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<v Speaker 2>Rodgers his potential, his skill set, whatever. And then you're

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<v Speaker 2>bringing in Sark, who was just with Mac Jones, who

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<v Speaker 2>was just with Tua and you're just like plug.

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<v Speaker 1>And play, plug and play. Turns out the defense was

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<v Speaker 1>a lot farther away. Turns out the offense was a

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<v Speaker 1>lot outside of like the emergence of Xavier Worthy and

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<v Speaker 1>Bjeon Robinson until he got hurt. Line wasn't there, Quarterback

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<v Speaker 1>play was inconsistent, injuries at quarterback, and so I think

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<v Speaker 1>what happened is there's just always going to be swirling enthusiasm.

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<v Speaker 1>Texas is capital be back, and so that they fell

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<v Speaker 1>short kind of nothing new that Nebraska fell short in

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<v Speaker 1>the games that they did Michigan, Michigan State, Iowa with Lee,

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<v Speaker 1>like all those games where they had a lead or

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<v Speaker 1>they were right there one possession and give it away

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<v Speaker 1>Illinois to start the season. Like I don't know, I

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<v Speaker 1>was surprised that Nebraska wasn't a bowl team this year,

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<v Speaker 1>even if you go back to my expectation before the

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<v Speaker 1>season started with that brutal schedule. Man that like Pat Fitzgerald,

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<v Speaker 1>makes bad hires, like Mike Hankwis was awesome in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and eight for a hire, and he was awesome

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<v Speaker 1>for twelve thirteen years, but he was far too loyal

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<v Speaker 1>to his offensive coordinator for far too many years, and

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<v Speaker 1>then he hires I think Jim O'Neil, a failed defensive

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<v Speaker 1>coordinator in the NFL. The offense, there's no it's just

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<v Speaker 1>Hunter Johnson doesn't work out like Peyton Ramsey's fine, he's

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<v Speaker 1>if not on spectacular, but like there was nothing about

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<v Speaker 1>Northwestern that screamed, oh, I see this is the overhaul,

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<v Speaker 1>right that. I think the surprise with Northwestern is like

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<v Speaker 1>they kind of you can just blink and they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a bowl team. That's just how Pat Fitzgerald is.

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<v Speaker 1>Just like duct tape and chicken wire to bowl Northwestern

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes nine when with Northwestern, right, I think the hires

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<v Speaker 1>have been suspect there they have. I think the surprise

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<v Speaker 1>with Northwestern, and you're right, I mean the surprise with

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<v Speaker 1>Northwestern over the years has been that they've been so

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<v Speaker 1>good that they find ways, like you said, smoking mirrors,

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<v Speaker 1>the cape and chicken wire, to be as as good

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<v Speaker 1>as they are when the Big ten West go to

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<v Speaker 1>a good bowl game, that type of thing. The surprise

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<v Speaker 1>this year is how bad they were.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they fielded the historically bad offense two years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>I get it, but it was so bad. It was

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<v Speaker 2>really bad, really bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Where we're on this show, we're looking at Northwestern, We're

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<v Speaker 1>thinking they got no shot in any of these games. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>no shot, And keep in mind you and I are

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<v Speaker 1>used to dunking on the Iowa offense. Mm hmm. Northwestern

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<v Speaker 1>was horrible, horrible. So I just if I were ranking

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<v Speaker 1>these in order of most surprised to least surprised, I

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<v Speaker 1>would say probably Texas won for me because they've got

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<v Speaker 1>a special place in my heart. What can I say?

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<v Speaker 1>Northwestern two, Nebraska three. I wasn't surprised by the Nebraska result,

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<v Speaker 1>if only because I knew the schedule was tough, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I knew they're going to be hitching their

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<v Speaker 1>wagon again the Adrian Moreartinez. And no disrespect to Adrian Martinez,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, we've seen a couple of years of

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<v Speaker 1>what Scott Frost is trying to do, and it it

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<v Speaker 1>spooked me out a little bit that it was all

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<v Speaker 1>on him, or felt like it might all be on

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<v Speaker 1>him again.

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<v Speaker 2>So that one doesn't surprise me as much as the

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<v Speaker 2>other two. Yeah, God, do you think Pat Fitzgerald and

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<v Speaker 2>Kirk farrensh just get together in the off season, say like,

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<v Speaker 2>how how can we win the West with an awesome

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<v Speaker 2>defense and no offense? Do we just keep playing like this?

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<v Speaker 2>Should we just keep doing this? Should we just be

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<v Speaker 2>like silly little silly little boys, keep using this and

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<v Speaker 2>employing this as our strategy. It's working and did once again? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know the Nebraska thing to me, it's just

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<v Speaker 2>the the mind blower.

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<v Speaker 1>solid Giveaway dot Com. Solid Giveaway dot Com. Get your

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<v Speaker 1>name in the hat to win that Reggie Bush signed

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<v Speaker 1>mini helmet, Yes, which we will draw on Valentine's Day.

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<v Speaker 2>UH San Diego State four and a half games above

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<v Speaker 2>Indiana with a win total set at eight games heading

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<v Speaker 2>into the twenty twenty one season minus sliding in at

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<v Speaker 2>two and ten six.

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<v Speaker 1>That one is tough. That one's tough.

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<v Speaker 2>You mentioned Purdue Western Kentucky adding our guy Bailey, Zappi

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<v Speaker 2>and Kittley at at offensive coordinator. I want to say

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<v Speaker 2>George Kitley. Because of George kittle Zach Kitley at offensive coordinator,

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<v Speaker 2>they go two and a half over the expected win total.

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<v Speaker 2>Fresno State did a nice job with Kaylin de Boorr

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<v Speaker 2>just and utsa worth mentioning they were they showed potential

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<v Speaker 2>but were kind of a disaster in finishing out games.

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<v Speaker 2>They make that that next step, I think in large

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<v Speaker 2>part because of the passing game Frank Harris and just

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<v Speaker 2>really Frank Big Frank, yep. So really cool to see.

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<v Speaker 2>In terms of lessons moving forward with how I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to look at this, I think I'm going to look

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<v Speaker 2>at returning production, consistency along the coaching staff, and just

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<v Speaker 2>how much I buy a team's conference. I think that

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<v Speaker 2>it's the common friends purchasing that that is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be my big thing. Like if I am if I

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<v Speaker 2>am just like not a Big twelve believer, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>an acc believer heading into the twenty twenty two season.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm committing to that. I'm absolutely committing to that with

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<v Speaker 1>my win totals. All right, Well, we've got months and

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<v Speaker 1>months before we Yes, we do see the win totals

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<v Speaker 1>for the twenty twenty two season, but we'll be all

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<v Speaker 1>over that for sure. If it went that comes to fruition, Dan,

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<v Speaker 1>Always a pleasure to speak with you, Hey, same, It

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<v Speaker 1>was good to go through all the Jackson darts. Can

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of have that sound one more time? Please? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>I really can't.

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<v Speaker 2>Always you can just call me up on the phone

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<v Speaker 2>and say can I hear the drop?

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<v Speaker 1>And I will. I'll absolutely play it for you. I

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate that we talked about Jackson Dart we talked about

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Kelly, you talked about Jim Harbaugh, all the news

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<v Speaker 1>in college football. Hopefully gave you a little bit more

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<v Speaker 1>context here on the season that was. We will be

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<v Speaker 1>back on Thursday. We'll be talking about National Signing Day.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes we have to, of course I like to. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the reason for the season for that guy over there,

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<v Speaker 1>my good friend Dan Rubinstein, for myself, Tie hildon Brandt,

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<v Speaker 1>will talk to you all in a few days. In

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<v Speaker 1>the meantime, as always, stay solid, peace,