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Speaker 1: is Ty hilden Brand. That fine gentleman over there is

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Speaker 1: How you doing, brother? I'm pretty good.

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Speaker 1: A college football snake. Dan. There is so much news

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Speaker 2: It seems that not only is the interest reeal in

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Speaker 2: grinds out on the recruiting trucks, oh man, I mean.

431
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 1: Jobs.

432
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if Troy Callahan's doing it, although

433
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 2: although you.

434
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 1: Know he does what it takes to get the hair

435
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 1: did the hair thing right, Yeah, yeah, he does. He

436
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 1: does what it takes. Oh man, this has been an

437
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:28,640
Speaker 1: important conversation. Yeah, I'm glad, No, it is.

438
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 2: It is strange to watch. And if Brian Kelly strings

439
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 2: together a bunch of top five classes, you tip your

440
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,679
Speaker 2: cap and you say more power to you. However you

441
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 2: do it, it works good for you. But if he's

442
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 2: doing this and it doesn't work, like bro, I don't know,

443
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 2: I don't know.

444
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 1: I get it.

445
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,639
Speaker 2: I get you gotta do what it takes because Alabama

446
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,400
Speaker 2: and George are war machines. At this point, you're trying

447
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 2: to keep up. But like the fact that he is

448
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 2: how tall do you think Brian Kelly is?

449
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 1: Brian Kelly five nine maybe maybe five eight, Okay, so

450
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 1: he's about five eight. So he's just sort of ducking

451
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:10,439
Speaker 1: ducking under defensive lineman's shoulders, going pew pew pew and

452
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:15,120
Speaker 1: doing like the little dances in his vest. Man, there's

453
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 1: just gonna be so many gifts if and when he's

454
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 1: fired from LSU. We did we did the Padrigo Show

455
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 1: last Thursday. One of the songs in there that we

456
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 1: reviewed and compare I think I compared it to LSU

457
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 1: the favorite crime song where you sort of are in

458
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 1: something and you kind of lose lose yourself a little

459
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 1: bit because you're into it. Brian Kelly right now is

460
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 1: going through that stage. Yeah, he's he's just doing whatever.

461
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 1: He's kind of going with the flow. Might look back

462
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 1: on it, like you said, if it doesn't work and

463
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 1: not feel great about it. But if it does work, Yeah,

464
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 1: if it does work, there are huge spoils at the

465
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 1: end of that rainbow. So we are tight, are we not?

466
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:52,159
Speaker 1: A show? That is?

467
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 2: If nothing else, we respect bit commitment, Oh, total, totally

468
00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 2: absolutely respect Like Brian Kelly should be die his hair,

469
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 2: Brian Kelly should be making appearances on you know, the

470
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:09,439
Speaker 2: mixtapes and music videos of local artists, like he should

471
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 2: be giving himself to the moment as fully as humanly possible.

472
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: And I respect it like I do. I do respect it.

473
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 2: There is do There's always going to be whenever you

474
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 2: see a coach doing this specifically, there's always like big time,

475
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 2: I've never heard this song, but it's my niece's wedding

476
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,719
Speaker 2: and I'm hitting the dance floor. Like there is that

477
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 2: energy to Brian Kelly all the time with these types

478
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 2: of videos. But you know what, It's better than sitting

479
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 2: at the table and being sour. It's better than sitting

480
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 2: at the table during the wedding and not hitting the

481
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:42,919
Speaker 2: dance floor. So I'm good with it now.

482
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 1: I'm okay, I'm okay with it. Look again, we are

483
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 1: in the content business here, Dan, of course, this is

484
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: what we do now, is what I do now. So

485
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: if he wants to do that dance every day of

486
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 1: the week and post it to social media, by all

487
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 1: means I'm showing up for Kayla on her special day. Yeah.

488
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,400
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, it's great. Great to see, great to see.

489
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,199
Speaker 2: Is there any other news that we need to discuss

490
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 2: before we get into our I mean there's always you know,

491
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 2: this coaching hire stuff that trickles all over. Boston College

492
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 2: hired what Notre Dames tight Ends coach McNulty. I saw,

493
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 2: not Jimmy McNulty.

494
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 1: That's a different one. Yeah, I saw that. Is it

495
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: true that you may be in the running to be

496
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 1: the new offensive coordinator for Mario Cristobal because that's still

497
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 1: kind of in progress, right.

498
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of a weird situation. So Miami, and look,

499
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 2: Mario crist of ball and I happened to know a

500
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,880
Speaker 2: good amount of about Mario Crista Ball since I am

501
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 2: an Oregon fan and I was, you know, party two.

502
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 2: What happened with new coach hires in Eugene, and he

503
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 2: took his time. He always took his time. He interviewed

504
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 2: a ton of guys for for coordinator roles, assistant roles,

505
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 2: and really was, you know, by all accounts, thorough about

506
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 2: who he hired. But he Miami brought him in on

507
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 2: December sixth we're recording this on what January thirty. First,

508
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,640
Speaker 2: it's correct, Miami still does not have an offensive coordinator.

509
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 2: They reached out to Jason Candle and he turned them down.

510
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,360
Speaker 2: The Toledo head coach. There were parent conversations and it's

511
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 2: sort of a he said, he said, situation with Kendall

512
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 2: Briles and making a move from Arkansas. But they are

513
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 2: still without a defensive coordinator, without an offensive coordinator, and

514
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 2: now they've lost their corners. Coach to I think Alabama

515
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 2: Treveris Robertson. I might get gotten that name wrong. I

516
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 2: apologize if I did. And Brian McClendon, who he brought

517
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,199
Speaker 2: from Oregon to be his receivers coach, is now going

518
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 2: to be filling that same role at Georgia, and so

519
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 2: I don't know with signing day here, with spring coming up,

520
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 2: Like he hired his strength coach, which is important. He

521
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 2: brought him over from Oregon, and he's got a couple

522
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 2: other guys he brought over from Oregon, his offensive line coach,

523
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 2: his defensive line coach.

524
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 1: But it does feel like it's taken him perhaps too long,

525
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: and that there is I don't know, there's a reason

526
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: why coaches are not sticking or coaches don't want to

527
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 1: stick that are you know, interesting that job at one point,

528
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's almost as if hiring a coach

529
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: via your boosters and not an athletic director is sort

530
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: of doomed to failure, isn't it just a little bit

531
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: like maybe maybe there is some smoke to the program

532
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: not having itself in order, And you know, I understand

533
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: they've brought the guy down from Clemson and they're trying

534
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 1: to get things together. And Mario's big fish. He's a

535
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: good coach, he's a great recruiter. Like I don't mean

536
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 1: to take anything away from him, but he will eventually

537
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 1: find coordinators. I think my point is nobody should be

538
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: surprised at this point if it feels a little bit disorganized,

539
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: feels a little bit all over the place, because frankly,

540
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: those are the circumstances under which Cristal Wal took the job.

541
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you are an assistant in demand, if

542
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 2: you're a coordinator in demand, and you interview with a

543
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 2: couple different schools, or you go to Miami and then

544
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 2: another school shows interest to you Miami saying this will

545
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 2: be what the program is like, These are the plans

546
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 2: for the program. Potentially, this is how the machine will

547
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 2: be built in some time, and then Georgia comes to

548
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 2: you or Alabama comes to you and says, flip a switch,

549
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 2: We're ready. And so it's just it's it's the sort

550
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 2: of perils that come with being a constantly rebuilding and

551
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 2: being a program that doesn't seem to at the moment

552
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 2: potentially will have a solid foundation.

553
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: That there is.

554
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 2: Just there are a lot of teas to cross and

555
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 2: eyes to dot, and a lot of promises to be fulfilled,

556
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 2: to be TBD, we'll see.

557
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: With all that being said, we wanted to provide further

558
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: context for what we saw transpire in twenty twenty one,

559
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: So keep in mind. If you go back at the time,

560
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: I had left the mysterious day job, and I was

561
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: immersing myself in preseason college football fully to the extent

562
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: that I could, with at that point in time only

563
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: a limited amount of hours to really throw into it.

564
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: And I was fascinated by over under tootals because, if

565
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: nothing more, it gives you a guide, gives you a

566
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: guide for where the people who use this to put

567
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: their kids through college, where they think teams are going

568
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 1: to be. Right. So, what we've got in front of

569
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: us here, and you dutifully put this together, Dan, thank

570
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: you for doing this. Of course, you put together a

571
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: list of the teams that either exceeded or fell short

572
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: of their preseason over underwin totals. Correct. So we've got

573
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: a list here of the teams that overperformed, the teams

574
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: that underperformed, at.

575
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 2: Least according to Vegas expectations, right, not necessarily internal ones

576
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 2: or fan base expectations. But like this is how Vegas

577
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 2: set the line of saying we think half of the

578
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 2: people are going to bet this way and half the

579
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 2: people are going to bet that way. This is that

580
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 2: enticing number. And these are the teams that completely outperformed

581
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 2: or came way way underneath it.

582
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, So we pulled a few of these out that

583
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: I think are of interest, and I know you and

584
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: I each have a couple that we want to talk about,

585
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: But I think the intention here is to look at

586
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: where some of these teams ended up, how they performed

587
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: relative to that over under, and then talk a little

588
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: bit about why.

589
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, by the way, looking back in retrospect, coming off

590
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 2: of the weird, weird in a lot of ways awful

591
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 2: twenty twenty season in terms of the variance of results

592
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 2: and games getting canceled and teams going three weeks without playing,

593
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 2: stuff like that, there were just going to be some

594
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 2: absolutely awful lines being set. Oh that it were just

595
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 2: like somebody's like, yeah, about five and a half, they

596
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 2: win ten games, Like why, Well, twenty twenty was weird

597
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 2: for everybody, and so we don't fully understand the scope

598
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 2: of what a team could have been or could be

599
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 2: at full strength with a much more normal experience, or

600
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 2: a team just got lucky in twenty twenty, or a

601
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 2: team had an inflated win total because of all sorts

602
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 2: of things happening around them. So basically, what I took

603
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 2: from this, if we're gonna be like prisoners of the

604
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 2: moment is okay, You're gonna look at experience on a

605
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 2: certain level. You're gonna look at schedule. You're also gonna

606
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 2: look at conference. You're like, Okay, has this conference been

607
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 2: down for a while and now have a bunch of

608
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 2: teams with upper classmen who are just going to progress

609
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 2: back to the mean or just like they're not gonna

610
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 2: have as much bad turnover luck as they did last year.

611
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: Like you're also just like looking at teams.

612
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 2: Where you're like, what is the collapse potential? What is

613
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 2: their Jenga potential?

614
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: You know?

615
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 2: And so so like one of the teams here is

616
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 2: USC who had I think it was a nine win

617
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 2: total set in this one, right, and they finished the

618
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 2: season at what five and seven USC or four and eight,

619
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 2: like they were terrible. So the collapse potential was certainly

620
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 2: high given Clay Helton's job status. But you looked at

621
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 2: their actual schedule and you're like, they don't have anybody

622
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 2: tough in the non conference part of the schedule, Like

623
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 2: early on, it looks pretty good. Like they miss Oregon

624
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 2: and Washington, the two best teams presumed to be the

625
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 2: best teams in the North, like, nine games seems fine,

626
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 2: So going you'd have to just bank on collapse potential

627
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 2: because realistically it was understandable that USC win around nine

628
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 2: games last year.

629
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

630
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 2: The reason they didn't well injuries, and it turns out

631
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 2: they just weren't good. They didn't have guys on defense,

632
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 2: and teams got better in the Pac twelve on their schedule,

633
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 2: like Oregon State. Oregon State is a team that should

634
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 2: basically never beat USC. They moved the ball all over

635
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 2: SC and the win in the Coliseum, which was their

636
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 2: first win there forever and ever, and so USC is

637
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 2: a really good example of just collapse potential.

638
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: You knew they had it.

639
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,959
Speaker 2: There's some teams that just have that in their DNA,

640
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 2: given the circumstance, is a coach or the personnel whatever.

641
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 2: USC was a prime collapse potential that I guess we

642
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 2: just didn't fully underline ahead of the year.

643
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, and one that I think is kind of on

644
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: the opposite end of that spectrum where we saw the

645
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: collapse potential, but a lot of folks didn't see it

646
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 1: coming Washington, correct, Yeah, Washington's over under was nine And

647
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: you know, I've talked about it for probably eight months

648
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 1: running now, but a lot of the preview publications are

649
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: very high on the Huskies. Phil Steele, Oh my gosh,

650
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 1: he couldn't have been any higher on Washington. Right. It

651
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 1: took a few weeks for me, certainly for you, for

652
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: a lot of folks who follow college football to fully

653
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: come to grips with the fact that what we've seen

654
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: early from the Huskies is not a fluke. This just

655
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: might be a very poorly coached team. And you know,

656
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: you can never account for coaching circumstances and coaching weirdness

657
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:56,439
Speaker 1: in some of these lines, right, You can certainly account for, yes,

658
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: I think this guy's a good coach or a bad coach,

659
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: for whatever that's worth. But in this case with Jimmy Lake,

660
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,479
Speaker 1: we had real circumstances that went awry, and I think

661
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: that contributed to the collapse that we saw from Washington.

662
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: But Washington only winning like what they went four games, right,

663
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 1: I mean, that was so far short of expectations that

664
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody could have seen it coming. You

665
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: certainly could have gone into the year and said, I

666
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: don't think Washington's going to get to nine wins. There's

667
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: sure there are reasons why I don't feel like, that's attainable.

668
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: I don't remember what you had with Washington. I don't

669
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 1: think you were as high as I went under. Yeah,

670
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 1: but even still this far under, nobody could have seen

671
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: that coming.

672
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,280
Speaker 2: No, I mean, the only real sense was, like nobody

673
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 2: really liked John Donovan as the answer for that offense,

674
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 2: and so that was going to hold them back. But

675
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 2: going into the season, you thought, Okay, they have an

676
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 2: experienced quarterback. They had the COVID issues that prevented them

677
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 2: from playing Oregon and playing in the Pac twelve championship game,

678
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 2: but they have this reputation of having a solid defense

679
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 2: and Jimmy Lakes being a defensive minded coach.

680
00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: They've recruited well.

681
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 2: On offense, They've got this very experienced offensive line, They've

682
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 2: got one of the best tight ends in the country,

683
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 2: and like, even if they're not great, they should still

684
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 2: be good and you can win nine games as a

685
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,720
Speaker 2: good team in the Pac twelve. What we didn't fully

686
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 2: look at was maybe they were the beneficiary of the

687
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 2: COVID year, the weird COVID year, and they won some clunkers,

688
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 2: and also like they had a ton of transfers, especially

689
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 2: on offense heading into the twenty twenty one season, almost like,

690
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 2: you know, pigeons freaking out ahead of an earthquake.

691
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: We're like, should we Is there something coming? Is there?

692
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: Is there?

693
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 2: A bunch of frogs won't shut up that there's an

694
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 2: earthquake a half hour later. And I think that that

695
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 2: was it, That that was the best we could have

696
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 2: hoped for. That a pretty average offense wasn't going to

697
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 2: get better. In the fact that all these receivers are

698
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 2: leaving might be an indicator of ooh, things are trending

699
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 2: pretty quickly downward in Seattle.

700
00:36:55,800 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I that one I didn't see coming. The other

701
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: the one that I didn't see coming was Florida, Florida.

702
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: Florida was at Florida would have been tough to see coming. Yeah,

703
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: Florida was at nine, they're over under was nine. They

704
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: obviously got to six. And that was a huge disappointment,

705
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 1: sort of in the same vein, though not quite to

706
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:22,399
Speaker 1: the same extreme extent as Jimmy Lake. But you had

707
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:26,959
Speaker 1: that coaching turmoil, You had that very clearly breakdown about

708
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: halfway through the season where it just seems like Florida

709
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: stopped playing. They stopped playing for Dan Mullen and I

710
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: can't tell you the number of articles I've read, either

711
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: on the athletic or through team sites or on message boards,

712
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: what have you where Folks have been talking for the

713
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: last couple of months about how this team just didn't

714
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 1: play hard. That was kind of the book on Florida

715
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: from opposing coaches, that they just they don't play hard.

716
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: They're undisciplined. They can get up some of the time,

717
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: but most of the time they kind of don't care. Right.

718
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 1: There was no way to really account for that before

719
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 1: the season. Nine wins in the SEC is difficult. That's

720
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: difficult by any stretch, But even with a lot of

721
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 1: the turnover, it seemed as if they had talent in

722
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 1: place where they could get to that nine. I was

723
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: very high in Florida before the start of the year.

724
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: That clearly did not materialize.

725
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 2: The the case against Florida would have been, and I

726
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 2: didn't tap into it in the same way that you

727
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 2: didn't tap into it was sometimes Actually no, every single

728
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 2: fan base feels like the world is that, you know,

729
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 2: the sky is falling right because they're not recruiting, they're

730
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 2: not hiring the right coaches, they're not getting the best

731
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 2: out of their players. Whatever, because just that's the nature

732
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 2: of fans holding their own team to an incredibly high

733
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:44,959
Speaker 2: standard that it's unattainable for basically everybody, but Florida fans

734
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 2: are an educated fan base because they know what incredible

735
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 2: national teams look like, they know what SEC champions look like,

736
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 2: and they know what they they don't look like. They've

737
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 2: had a bunch of coaches who can recruit but can't win,

738
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 2: or a bunch of coaches who won but eventually couldn't

739
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 2: recruit and then couldn't win, a bunch of weird personalities

740
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 2: that weren't going to be long term answers, and so

741
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 2: Florida fans were very quick to say, it's keeping Todd

742
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 2: Grantham around. Okay, that's not the answer. A defensive coordinator,

743
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 2: it's not going to last. Florida's not going to win

744
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 2: ten games a year with Todd Grantham calling plays on defense.

745
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 2: Florida fans would say, they're not recruiting as well as

746
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 2: they should be, and yes, Florida is stringing together top

747
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 2: ten or top fifteen or top twenty classes or whatever,

748
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 2: but they're getting killed in their own backyard, which is

749
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 2: a recipe for a downward trend and so those types

750
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 2: of things are that the warnings, the trends, that's saying

751
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 2: like this isn't adding up for a long term solution

752
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 2: for Dan Mullen, and so that you would have to

753
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 2: believe and buy into that because I didn't. I looked

754
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 2: at the classes and I said, they're still pretty good.

755
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 2: They're not amazing, they're not Urban Meyer Florida classes, but

756
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 2: they're still pretty good. You can still win a bunch

757
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 2: of games. Yeah, But at the same time, and like,

758
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 2: what do they do with Kyle Trask a year ago,

759
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 2: Kyle Pitts, Caadarius Tony, all these guys were record setting

760
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 2: guys on offense, but they're not necessarily guys Dan Mullen

761
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 2: brought in.

762
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: You know.

763
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 2: It's just one of those things where you're just like

764
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 2: a lot of Florida fans had that sort of like

765
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 2: sell high mentality.

766
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I don't feel like Florida fans were unrealistic.

767
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 1: I felt they were cautiously optimistic about what could happen

768
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one. But I recall, in just going

769
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 1: back through my own preview kind of what my headspace

770
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 1: was talking about Florida. I was high on Florida. I

771
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: would never have bet that over at nine wins because again,

772
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: this is a team that played both Alabama and Georgia,

773
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: which on the surface at that point in whenever we

774
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 1: did this mid July, right at that point, it seemed

775
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 1: like those were losses. Now, Florida played Bama pretty tight.

776
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely could right there, could have won that game,

777
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: but that on the surface looked like two losses. If

778
00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 1: you're betting on the over at that juncture, saying those

779
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: are gonna be two losses, they can't slip up at

780
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: all the rest of the way, right, And I wasn't

781
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: comfortable with that. Now, I think I had him at

782
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 1: eight wins, eight and four. They fell short of that

783
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: by a couple games, and you know, in many other ways,

784
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: but the Florida one kind of snuck up on me.

785
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 1: It really did, to the extent that they would only

786
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: win six games and look as bad as they did

787
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 1: down the stretch, That to me was I could not

788
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: have foreseen that one coming.

789
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the big the big chakra was probably

790
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 2: I mean, outside of the first half of the Samford game,

791
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 2: it's the South Carolina game. It's that you look at

792
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 2: Florida's schedule they beat an upcoming Tennessee team comfortably to

793
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 2: go to three and one, I believe. So basically what's

794
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 2: happening is Kentucky has always been, always been in the

795
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 2: last few years, they've been solid to, if not good,

796
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 2: a good team. So they look disastrous against Kentucky and

797
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 2: just mistake prone. It's the South Carolina game where that

798
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 2: was like the big indicator LSU it's back and forth,

799
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 2: it's an uncharacteristic shootout.

800
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: Whatever.

801
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 2: You lose that game a bunch of turnovers. That was

802
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 2: an indicator that things have gotten really, really sloppy. And

803
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 2: that was only a few weeks after the Bama game.

804
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 2: But you know, losing to Miszoo in overtime the way

805
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,399
Speaker 2: that they did and then South Carolina by twenty three

806
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 2: or whatever like it just there was a I don't

807
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 2: know if it's a stubbornness or if it's just I

808
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 2: don't know what you could have seen ahead of time

809
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 2: because you look at Emery Jones with the experience he

810
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 2: had in the program. Dan Mullen still has the offensive mine,

811
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 2: they still have receivers and just collapsed and I may

812
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 2: have taken the under If we do this again, if

813
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 2: we go back in time and do it again. I

814
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 2: just don't know how much we could have seen this

815
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 2: coming as outsiders. Michigan's a team that overperformed in a

816
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 2: big way. Yeah, plus Michigan State in a huge way.

817
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:52,399
Speaker 2: I can stay in a huge way.

818
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: And plus six Yeah, Oklahoma State also fared very well

819
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: with this one that I would love to talk more

820
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: ab as Baylor. Sure, Baylor's over under was five and

821
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: a half before the start of the year, and I

822
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: went on our Daily Bearers with our friend Peter Pope,

823
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: the Pope, the og Pope, and I talked to him

824
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: about where I was at with Baylor, And you know,

825
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,720
Speaker 1: I think what makes the Baylor result in twenty twenty

826
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: one so damn impressive. And you've heard me say this

827
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: is just the way that Dave Randa looked at what

828
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: transpired in twenty twenty after the weird COVID year. He

829
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: gave an objective analysis as to what he thought was wrong,

830
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: and he changed it. He changed it. Most guys don't

831
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: have the gumption to do that, so he swapped out

832
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. He started going for it more n fourth downs.

833
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 1: He had turnover to deal with, but he was able

834
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: to kind of pull things together in a way that

835
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: they were just really fundamentally sound. Over under again five

836
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: and a half. I was I'm looking at this thinking, geez,

837
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 1: I don't there are too many question marks here with

838
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 1: the Baylor Bears. But he circled the wagons. He was

839
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: able to get that team playing so well as a

840
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 1: team to not beat itself. They had their moments, but

841
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 1: they were just so solid. That was the theme of

842
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,280
Speaker 1: this past season. If you can have a solid football

843
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: team out there, it will produce, it will produce. We

844
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: saw that. We saw results time and again from teams

845
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: that weren't great but were just really solid. And Baylor,

846
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 1: let's be honest, Baylor very much fit that mold. They

847
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: were really solid across the board and that's why they

848
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: were plus four and a half plus four and a

849
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: half incredible year.

850
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 2: It was in retrospect, kind of a strange year in

851
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 2: the Big Twelve. So I think you have to give

852
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:51,720
Speaker 2: credit to Baylor for overcoming that, you know, win total

853
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 2: number in a big way. But at the same time,

854
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:55,399
Speaker 2: so they actually lose to TC.

855
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: But you look.

856
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 2: At where the Big Twelve has fallen to in terms

857
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 2: of week to two week consistency on offense, especially because

858
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 2: defensively there's some good teams. Sure, so Baylor probably shouldn't

859
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,280
Speaker 2: have beaten Texas Tech. I think that was a Donovan

860
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 2: Smith lit them up. But they win that game with

861
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 2: like a you know, a nothing win, like a four

862
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 2: percent win expectancy or something like that. Texas falls apart

863
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 2: and Baylor wins that game, and Texas defense is atrocious,

864
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 2: like Texas is wildly and consistent atrocious. New coach at

865
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 2: ut Oklahoma State really really good and they lose that game.

866
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 2: But like West Virginia kind of falls off a cliff

867
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 2: this year, Oklahoma in the way that they looked on

868
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 2: offense for large swaths of this year, especially turning to

869
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 2: a freshman who I think Caleb Williams has all the

870
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 2: potential in the world, but he threw in some clunkers

871
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 2: of quarters haves and just general game performances.

872
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 1: I don't know.

873
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 2: I just some of it is Baylor just taking advantage.

874
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,240
Speaker 2: Like Baylor just found themselves on much more solid ground

875
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 2: than much of the conference, and so I don't know,

876
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 2: I could not have predicted that. I like the Jeff

877
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 2: Grimes higher, I was unsure of where they were going

878
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 2: to be at quarterback, but I figured it was going

879
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 2: to be an upgrade over where Charlie Brewer was in

880
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 2: twenty twenty. But yeah, I don't know how much there

881
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 2: is in terms of lessons to glean from Baylor's twenty

882
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 2: twenty one going into the year. As much as it

883
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 2: is like weird, you're in the Big twelve and Baylor

884
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 2: seems solid all around and took more chances.

885
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it bodes well for Baylor moving forward.

886
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 1: I think if nothing more, and you're right, there is

887
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 1: definitely an atmospheric calculation that we need to make. I

888
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: just sort of made that up, but oh, it's a

889
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 1: good turn of phrase. I like it. You need to

890
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: look at these surroundings, the other teams in the conference

891
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: to figure out how much value you want to put

892
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: on some of these results. There was some of that

893
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: going on for Baylor. But yeah, if nothing more, I

894
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:51,760
Speaker 1: think you come out of the twenty twenty one campaign

895
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: obviously conference champion. You'll take that. And if nothing more,

896
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 1: you know that Dave r Anna can coach. You know,

897
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,919
Speaker 1: Dave Ranneck coach. Now you know you got to see

898
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: a full body of worker. You know you can coach

899
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: on that one snuck up on me. The Baylor one

900
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: snuck up on me. One that didn't was NC State. Yeah,

901
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 1: you liked NC State a good deal more than I did.

902
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 1: Going into the air, I was all in on NC State.

903
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: They're over under was six. They finished with nine wins.

904
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 1: They had losses at Mississippi State, where they played like

905
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: crap Week two. It was a horrible game. They lost

906
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 1: a really close one on the road at Miami, and

907
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: then they lost the shootout on the road against wake Forest.

908
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: Those are their three winses, but every other game along

909
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: the way they won. They had the big, you could argue,

910
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: program defining win, even though it might not have been

911
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 1: a full strength Clemson team because of their injuries and

912
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 1: just some of their struggles early, but beating Clemson twenty

913
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 1: seven to twenty one in the first month of the

914
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: season was a pretty big deal for NC State. Of course,

915
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: that was a game we didn't know about, and I

916
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 1: understand why Vegas might want to look at that one

917
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 1: and say, ah, that's that's probably a loss. But it

918
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,359
Speaker 1: was strange to me that they would not give NC

919
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 1: State more credit than six wins for that line because

920
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 1: it was a veteran team. Granted, we only saw Devin

921
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: Leary here in their year ago. Yeah we didn't know,

922
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: but yeah, we just didn't know. There were a lot

923
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 1: of uncertain aspects to this team. But with all they

924
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: had coming back and with what appeared to be a

925
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: relatively favorable schedule, over six seemed like a lock. To me.

926
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: I wish I would have bet it. I didn't bet it.

927
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: I don't like doing over unders because then your money's

928
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: locked up and I'm not betting a whole lot. But

929
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: I wish that were one that I would have stuck

930
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: to my guns and actually bet in real life, because

931
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,240
Speaker 1: I really liked the Wolfpack going into this season.

932
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 2: Yeah they were so in twenty twenty they go eight

933
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 2: and four. Twenty nineteen was a disastrous year, so it

934
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 2: seemed like things were trending up, but they didn't do

935
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 2: anything amazingly well. And I think largely that was because

936
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 2: of Devin Leary's injury, and it was what Bailey Hawkman, yeah,

937
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 2: took over. Yep, and so it's backup quarterback. So they're

938
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:05,320
Speaker 2: getting healthier, and yeah, it was a good move, especially

939
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 2: if you figured the ACC was going to continue to

940
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 2: be as topsy turvy that Dave Dorin is somebody who

941
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 2: is right, he's a competence buoye in Rocky Seas, right,

942
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 2: he's always getting that the eight nine wins. So that

943
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 2: makes sense that you would have had that faith, but

944
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 2: you would have also had to just be a Devin

945
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:25,760
Speaker 2: Leary believer. You would have to have been a believer there.

946
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 2: And also in like you know, North Carolina given what

947
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 2: they've lost, and we can get into them next if

948
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 2: you want, given what they've lost, or Virginia Tech given

949
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 2: like justin Fwente's status even after the twenty twenty season,

950
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 2: you're just sure, I don't know NC State, just like

951
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 2: they hire Tony Gibson, and like I just you were

952
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 2: just betting on foundation. You were betting on consistency in

953
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:51,240
Speaker 2: a conference that seemed to have a lot of variants.

954
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 2: So yeah, I get the NC State appreciation going into

955
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 2: the air, I get that.

956
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: Let me talk to you about in North Carolina, UNC.

957
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 1: Excuse me. Yeah. North Carolina's over under was ten. Yeah,

958
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: big number. And this is a team that had a

959
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: lot of production go to the NFL, and so to

960
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: set that at ten always felt high to me. Now,

961
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: I really like Sam Howe. We both did. We're both

962
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: Sam Howe believers. We like Samo a lot, and I

963
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 1: think we both feel generally pretty good about the talent

964
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 1: that Mac Brown has brought into Chapel Hill. It's done

965
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 1: a good job in the recruiting trail. That being said,

966
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: ten is still a pretty big number. Yeah, And I

967
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 1: don't remember where you were exactly on North Carolina. I

968
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 1: think you did the preview for the tar Heels, but

969
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: I remember looking at that number and saying, Okay, I

970
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: like you and C I hope UNC can rise up

971
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 1: as the counterbalance to Clemson. At the time, we were

972
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: all in on Clemson too, right, But ten wins feels

973
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 1: like a stretch.

974
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,720
Speaker 2: And North Carolina, by the way, has been a decent

975
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 2: counterbalance on the recruiting trip they have.

976
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah, So did to what extent did North Carolina

977
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: take you by surprise?

978
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:20,720
Speaker 2: A decent amount of surprise. I figured that a NFL

979
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 2: caliber quarterback, a first round NFL caliber quarterback, was good

980
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 2: enough to raise the level of everybody around him. The

981
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 2: problem is that's true of receivers. It can be true

982
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 2: of a running game, but when he is constantly under pressure,

983
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 2: when you lose a line in college, there's only so

984
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 2: much you can do to improve in a year. And

985
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 2: it's not the NFL where you go into free agency.

986
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 2: It's not the NFL where you can prioritize line in

987
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,760
Speaker 2: the draft or something like that. Yeah, and even NFL

988
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 2: teams struggle with that a good deal. And so with

989
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 2: it being relatively early in mac Brown's tenure. I was

990
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 2: never a huge fan of the J Bateman higher. I

991
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 2: thought he was merely okay, if not a little bit

992
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 2: below average at Army. I thought North Carolina could have

993
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 2: done better at defensive coordinator. And some of those cracks

994
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 2: shown like North Carolina got completely torched in twenty twenty.

995
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 2: In the back end, they ended up what starting a

996
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 2: high school senior, Tony Grimes when he was a top

997
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:18,919
Speaker 2: recruit essentially who enrolled early. So that was a worrisome trend.

998
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 2: They weren't covering a bunch of games in twenty twenty.

999
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 2: The defense showed some cracks just up front. They just

1000
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 2: weren't as strong in the trenches as they probably should

1001
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:30,720
Speaker 2: have been considering mac Brown's recruiting ability. They didn't necessarily

1002
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 2: hit the portal as hard as they should, I guess

1003
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 2: in retrospect. But ten, yeah, ten seemed like an inflated

1004
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 2: number and it's almost it's almost I was gonna say,

1005
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 2: it's compared comparable to where Iowa State was, where yeah,

1006
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 2: a program can be interesting and deep. In Iowa State

1007
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 2: was coming off of a bigger platform and winning I

1008
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,399
Speaker 2: think the Fiesta bal the year before, where like, okay,

1009
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 2: they're returning everybody, They're just going to take the next step.

1010
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 2: They've got an experienced quarterback, the coach, the coaching staff,

1011
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 2: you know, the lines are intact. Like it made sense

1012
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 2: that people would be bullish on Iowa State. But North

1013
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 2: Carolina winning ten games with what they had to replace,

1014
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 2: it seemed like not unreasonable. But that is everything needs

1015
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 2: to go right. Every young player needs to hit on

1016
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 2: their potential and they need to win every single clunker,

1017
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 2: every single fifty to fifty game. And that's just a

1018
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 2: lot to ask. That's a lot to ask when you

1019
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 2: don't have the depth yet. It's a lot to ask

1020
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 2: when you don't have the defense to bail you out

1021
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 2: of turnovers, to bail you out of situations. And so

1022
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 2: in retrospect, it maybe seems a little bit more obvious

1023
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 2: to me, But no, I didn't see this kind of

1024
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 2: week in week out, Like you look at the Georgia

1025
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 2: Tech game. They gave up what forty fifty points? Did

1026
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 2: this Georgia Tech team didn't see that potential coming.

1027
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: Now, surprise, not surprised. Let's go through some of the

1028
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: other teams on this list here. Houston. Houston won eleven games.

1029
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 1: They're over under eight. I was not surprised by that

1030
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 1: at all. I was in on Houston.

1031
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wasn't to this extent. I didn't think the

1032
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 2: defense would be as good. But it's one of those

1033
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 2: things where they were hitting the portal hard. And I

1034
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 2: think most of us believe Dana Holgersson is a good

1035
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 2: but not great coach, and a good coach in the

1036
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:25,800
Speaker 2: American hitting the portal returning a quarterback, Yeah, yeah, I

1037
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 2: would have penciled him for nine or ten. I did

1038
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 2: not see eleven.

1039
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 1: Coming, Yeah I didn't. I didn't see eleven, but I

1040
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: was in on Houston. Oklahoma State's an interesting case. Seven

1041
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: and a half before the season obviously went three and

1042
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: a half over that number. YEP, just had the what

1043
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:45,240
Speaker 1: one regular season loss? We felt good about the defense.

1044
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:49,280
Speaker 1: The defense had been trending in a good direction. I

1045
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 1: have never been shy to admit my reluctance on the

1046
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: Spencer Sanders front totally. The defense had been trending in

1047
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 1: a good direction. I think we undervalued, frankly, how good

1048
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: it could be. It was very good defense, very good defense.

1049
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 1: That's why they got to the heights that they did.

1050
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:12,839
Speaker 1: So that one surprised me a little bit. What about

1051
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 1: ole Miss?

1052
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 2: Dan uh ole Miss surprised, not dramatically so and by

1053
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 2: the way, Oklahoma States surprised, but not dramatically so too.

1054
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 2: I figured they'd be pretty good, but I didn't see

1055
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 2: the star power on offense, which made me think that

1056
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,439
Speaker 2: they would win two three games or excuse me, lose

1057
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 2: two or three two, three, four games but still feel

1058
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 2: a really strong defense. And you know, the combination of

1059
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,320
Speaker 2: not having the star power and a mistake prone quarterback,

1060
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:41,399
Speaker 2: it worried me. And they gave me a reason not Tory. Yeah,

1061
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 2: Ole Miss was interesting. Lane Kiffin and a quarterback with

1062
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 2: talent is tantalizing, like especially in his first real season

1063
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 2: coaching the team, and where that defense was when he arrived,

1064
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:03,359
Speaker 2: with where that defense ascended to this year to become

1065
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 2: pretty interesting. Not a full surprise, but dramatically over. Yeah,

1066
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 2: I think.

1067
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 1: I'm surprised that in year two. He won ten games.

1068
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 1: For sure. I didn't see it coming. The BYU result

1069
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 1: this year was what ten wins? They were good. I

1070
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:25,359
Speaker 1: did not see this one coming to this extent six

1071
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: and a half. To me, I recall being very much

1072
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 1: on the fence because new quarterback, they've got some turnover.

1073
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 1: It was a great campaign. I didn't so I didn't

1074
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 1: see that one coming, not to this extent.

1075
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, the BYU thing, you would had to have been

1076
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 2: extremely down on the PAC twelve. Yeah, you would have

1077
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,879
Speaker 2: had to know that Charlie Brewer was not long for

1078
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 2: Salt Lake City, but they were going to play him

1079
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 2: in the Holy War week two and then cam Rising

1080
00:56:55,680 --> 00:57:00,720
Speaker 2: would have been a clearly better option. And so yeah,

1081
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 2: they were they were hard out and I definitely didn't

1082
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 2: see it coming. I definitely thought they had enough to

1083
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 2: still be decent.

1084
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's in the same boat. Yeah. They basically

1085
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 1: they lose to Boise State.

1086
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 2: And they lose on the road to Baylor. They get

1087
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 2: a disastrously bad collapsing USC A woefully I would say

1088
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 2: woefully disappointing, but a disappointing ASU team.

1089
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 1: But that game is in provo.

1090
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 2: They get Washington State, I think on the heels of

1091
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 2: Wazoo firing their coach, which is an incredibly difficult spot

1092
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 2: for Wazoo, and they get what Virginia was. Did Brendan

1093
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 2: Armstrong play in that game or I don't. I don't know,

1094
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 2: I don't. You can pull that up while I'm talking.

1095
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 2: It was just a weird year for b and things

1096
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 2: broke their way, but they I mean, they largely took

1097
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 2: care of business. I mean, there was a shootout against Virginia,

1098
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 2: but otherwise, Yeah, I guess you just could have looked

1099
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 2: at BYU and said they're a wild card, let's go

1100
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 2: over just because they look solid. Clonie Sataki is hired.

1101
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, but no, I don't I don't think I

1102
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: would have been confident in that over. Uh, Pitt did well.

1103
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's terribly surprising. We liked Kenny Pickett.

1104
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: I you know, I don't know if I quite expected

1105
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 1: that kind of campaign, but the Kenny Pickett to Jordan

1106
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 1: Addison connection really blossomed. The Pitt defense. The pit Past

1107
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 1: defense especially sort of let them down but somewhat Yeah,

1108
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 1: this was definitely a good team led by its quarterback.

1109
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 1: So it's not all that surprising to me one that

1110
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 1: I I too that I was.

1111
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 2: In on pit by the way, a big There's no

1112
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 2: way I saw the Kenny Pickett thing coming that type

1113
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 2: of improvement. But it just in looking at their schedule

1114
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 2: ahead of time with Tennessee with a new coach, I mean,

1115
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 2: they end up losing to Western Michigan, but otherwise, like

1116
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 2: the non conference isn't terrible. And then you have Georgia Tech,

1117
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 2: which was lost into the season, it still appears to

1118
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 2: be lost. Virginia Tech coming out and saying, we're not

1119
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 2: firing our coach, but we do need to tell you

1120
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 2: that we're not firing our coach. Definitely didn't see the

1121
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 2: Clemson collapse quote unquote coming, even though they you know,

1122
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 2: got to a respectable number of wins in a quote

1123
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 2: unquote down year. But yeah, the Miami thing going to

1124
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 2: a backup quarterback who worked out for them, but Miami

1125
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 2: having the topsy turvy year that they did, I figured

1126
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 2: that they would be on more solid ground this year,

1127
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 2: returning Derek King, returning what they did on defense led

1128
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 2: by like Bubba Bolden, whatever. I just I didn't see

1129
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 2: Pitt as that other like competence buoy along with NC

1130
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 2: State within the ACC that like, look, they're not an

1131
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 2: amazing team, but they're a good team. The Good getsy places, right,

1132
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 2: It's sort of the Baylor Sea Places the Baylor theme. Right,

1133
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 2: Good getsy places in a season as crazy as twenty

1134
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 2: twenty one, where there was a lot more parody than

1135
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 2: I think we've seen in a lot of recent years.

1136
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 2: I do want to talk very quickly about Texas, Northwestern.

1137
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 1: And Nebraska, because I think each those is interesting. But

1138
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 1: we can't fully close the loop on some of the

1139
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:08,439
Speaker 1: surprise teams to the Good without mentioning Perdue and Michigan State.

1140
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 1: Perdue was the giant killer. Perdue was the fun team

1141
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 1: that everyone wanted to root for, had a bunch of

1142
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 1: big upsets, led in large part by David Bell and

1143
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 1: George Karloftis, both of whom are going to the NFL,

1144
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 1: both of whom declared that they were going to the

1145
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 1: NFL before the bowl game. They opted out of a

1146
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 1: bowl game. Then they somehow beat Tennessee in the bowl game,

1147
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 1: which was I think a great testament to how hard

1148
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 1: that team has played all season. To be without those

1149
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 1: guys and still win was in my view, a pretty

1150
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 1: big deal. So nobody could have seen the extent to

1151
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 1: which Purdue would rise above their six win over under.

1152
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 1: Finishing with nine wins is an incredible campaign for them.

1153
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 1: The Michigan State thing, though, is just freaking eerie. Four

1154
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 1: wins always felt a little light. However, we didn't have

1155
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 1: much to go on. We knew that they showed some

1156
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 1: fight in twenty two, and they only won two games

1157
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty, but one of them was Michigan was

1158
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 1: the other Penn State, like whoever it was right, Going

1159
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 1: two and five in that campaign was not necessarily a

1160
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 1: great portal into what we might see here in twenty

1161
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 1: twenty one. But this is a team that continuously played

1162
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 1: really tough, and they found ways to manufacture points. They

1163
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 1: were good on offense, not so much on defense. Yeah,

1164
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 1: but the Michigan State one above all others. To be

1165
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 1: plus six over there over under a four was just

1166
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 1: sort of the crown jewel of this past college football season,

1167
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 1: at least within this context.

1168
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 2: I thought the floor would be raised via portal via

1169
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 2: Meltucker's coaching acumen. I thought he made good hires when

1170
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 2: he was first there, and that it was going to

1171
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 2: take some time. Impossible to judge in the COVID year,

1172
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 2: you know, as it is for most teams that made

1173
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 2: a higher in the COVID year. But I looked at

1174
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 2: Michigan State as a team in a program who hadn't

1175
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:57,919
Speaker 2: found a quarterback who was Northwestern. By the way, of course,

1176
01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 2: Big ten West Champ twenty twenty Big ten West Champ Northwestern,

1177
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 2: whom Michigan State beat, not Penn State in twenty twenty.

1178
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 1: I figured the floora would be raised.

1179
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 2: I figured with the raised level at various positions, the

1180
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 2: floor will be raised. But I didn't see them as

1181
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 2: solving quarterback. And so no, I didn't expect anything anywhere

1182
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 2: near this. So you were just you were just buying

1183
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 2: low on Michigan State if you were a believer in

1184
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 2: them or a Michigan State fan, because unless you were

1185
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 2: close to that program and following them day to day,

1186
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 2: I think it was pretty difficult to see. Look and

1187
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 2: they you know, they sneak by in a couple games,

1188
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 2: you know, the disastrous second half against Nebraska and the

1189
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 2: weird game against Indiana, and they get the fortuitous fumble

1190
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 2: against Michigan, but even still they're comfortably hitting the over

1191
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:47,160
Speaker 2: with those wins. So no, could not have seen that coming.

1192
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 2: I mean, look ahead of the season, you're I mean

1193
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:53,560
Speaker 2: you're looking at the schedule and you're like, it's difficult

1194
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 2: to find eight or nine wins on this Michigan State schedule,

1195
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 2: like it was looking at Purdue schedule, like you're going

1196
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 2: to be a believer in Purdue on the road against

1197
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 2: Iowa and on the road against Nebraska. Yeah, this Perdue

1198
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 2: team exactly like it. Just I don't think a lot

1199
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 2: of people were in that headspace, and so yeah, I

1200
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:14,479
Speaker 2: think Michigan State definitely overperformed, at least in my eyes,

1201
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 2: and I see that as a good thing.

1202
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 1: Let's close this conversation out by talking about three teams. Okay,

1203
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Texas, who was minus three there over

1204
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 1: under was eight, they finished with five. Let's talk about

1205
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 1: Northwestern was minus three and a half, they're over under

1206
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 1: was six and a half. And let's talk about Nebraska.

1207
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 1: They're over under was six. They obviously finished three and

1208
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 1: nine with those nine to one score losses. Whatever it was,

1209
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:43,920
Speaker 1: whatever the crazy stat was for the Cornhuskers. I'm curious

1210
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 1: to get your take on which of those three teams

1211
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 1: surprises you the most with the way they finished. I

1212
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:53,479
Speaker 1: feel like It's a very interesting topic for discussion because

1213
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 1: and here's why. Okay, Texas had the new coach, but

1214
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 1: a ton of talent, And even if you were unreasonably

1215
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 1: high on the Longhorns the way I was, I was

1216
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 1: gonna say, like your heart, like I was, hmm, full disclosure.

1217
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 1: It still seems a little wild to me that they

1218
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 1: would only finish with five wins. That's very surprising Northwestern.

1219
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 1: I Northwestern were accustomed to them finding a way to

1220
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:24,400
Speaker 1: win the Big Ten West. But I don't know if

1221
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:28,200
Speaker 1: either of us was all that high on the Wildcats

1222
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 1: going into this past season. We had our moments where

1223
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 1: we talked aspects of that team up, but I don't

1224
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 1: remember us ever being all that gung ho on the Wildcats,

1225
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 1: So that one, to me, is not surprising. Nebraska. Nebraska

1226
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:45,520
Speaker 1: had a brutal schedule, and so I was almost willing

1227
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:49,360
Speaker 1: to accept pretty much any result for them in twenty

1228
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 1: twenty one. I didn't want it to be a situation

1229
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 1: where they only had three wins. I don't want that,

1230
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 1: but six. To me, it was like I could go

1231
01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:59,400
Speaker 1: either way on this. It's not surprising that they would

1232
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 1: fall short of that. I think of the three Texas

1233
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 1: is the one that surprises me the most because if

1234
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 1: we want to talk about atmospherics in the Big Twelve,

1235
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 1: as you did earlier, it really was a more gettable

1236
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 1: version of the Big Twelve this past season, and for

1237
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 1: Texas to be as disorganized as they were to have

1238
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:23,520
Speaker 1: still have trouble tackling on defense despite that apparently being

1239
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 1: like a focal point going into the year, that to

1240
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 1: me is still the biggest disappointment of those three teams. Agree,

1241
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 1: disagree where you.

1242
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 2: At disagree to me, it's Nebraska. It's Nebraska because of

1243
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:40,320
Speaker 2: the amount of time Scott Frost has now been in Lincoln,

1244
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:45,200
Speaker 2: the experience of Adrian Martinez, the improvement of the defense

1245
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:48,120
Speaker 2: since Scott Frost got there. Under I think it's Eric Shenander,

1246
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:51,440
Speaker 2: the defensive coordinator who goes back to Oregon days with

1247
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:56,080
Speaker 2: Scott Frost, and the schedule nowithstanding because it's a tough schedule.

1248
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 2: I just I don't know. It's the Big Ten West,

1249
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 2: which I think is fine, but you know, we're coming

1250
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 2: off of a year in which Wisconsin was extremely disappointing.

1251
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 2: Minnesota was extremely disappointing for a stretch in twenty twenty

1252
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 2: that like I thought Nebraska had enough continuity there that

1253
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 2: they would be able to close out games. And the

1254
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 2: surprise to me is this should be the surprise to everybody,

1255
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 2: because it's very hard to go three and nine with

1256
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:25,560
Speaker 2: a competent offense and a good defense.

1257
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 1: It just is. That's true. It just is.

1258
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 2: And so I file Texas under the sort of like

1259
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:34,640
Speaker 2: Lakers law that Vegas is always going to inflate a

1260
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 2: Lakers win total because you know, La guys always go

1261
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:39,640
Speaker 2: to Vegas and they love betting the Lakers and betting

1262
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 2: the over, and they're just like, there's so much enthusiasm

1263
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 2: around Texas in the way that there's enthusiasm over like

1264
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 2: the Lakers and the Yankees and all these things where

1265
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:49,919
Speaker 2: it's just like doesn't take much to bring them back.

1266
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 2: They're Texas, come on. And so Texas is coming off

1267
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:55,160
Speaker 2: a Bowl performance in which they look like they maybe

1268
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 2: have a quarterback of the future and Casey Thompson and

1269
01:06:57,760 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 2: although they nam Hudson card the starter, so he's like

1270
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 2: compared to Aaron Rodgers, Bruce Fellman compares him to Aaron

1271
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 2: Rodgers his potential, his skill set, whatever. And then you're

1272
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 2: bringing in Sark, who was just with Mac Jones, who

1273
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:10,040
Speaker 2: was just with Tua and you're just like plug.

1274
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:13,240
Speaker 1: And play, plug and play. Turns out the defense was

1275
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 1: a lot farther away. Turns out the offense was a

1276
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 1: lot outside of like the emergence of Xavier Worthy and

1277
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 1: Bjeon Robinson until he got hurt. Line wasn't there, Quarterback

1278
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:26,280
Speaker 1: play was inconsistent, injuries at quarterback, and so I think

1279
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:29,840
Speaker 1: what happened is there's just always going to be swirling enthusiasm.

1280
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:34,000
Speaker 1: Texas is capital be back, and so that they fell

1281
01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 1: short kind of nothing new that Nebraska fell short in

1282
01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:43,360
Speaker 1: the games that they did Michigan, Michigan State, Iowa with Lee,

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Speaker 1: like all those games where they had a lead or

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Speaker 1: they were right there one possession and give it away

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Speaker 1: Illinois to start the season. Like I don't know, I

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Speaker 1: was surprised that Nebraska wasn't a bowl team this year,

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Speaker 1: even if you go back to my expectation before the

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Speaker 1: season started with that brutal schedule. Man that like Pat Fitzgerald,

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Speaker 1: makes bad hires, like Mike Hankwis was awesome in two

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Speaker 1: thousand and eight for a hire, and he was awesome

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Speaker 1: for twelve thirteen years, but he was far too loyal

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Speaker 1: to his offensive coordinator for far too many years, and

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Speaker 1: then he hires I think Jim O'Neil, a failed defensive

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Speaker 1: coordinator in the NFL. The offense, there's no it's just

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Speaker 1: Hunter Johnson doesn't work out like Peyton Ramsey's fine, he's

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Speaker 1: if not on spectacular, but like there was nothing about

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Speaker 1: Northwestern that screamed, oh, I see this is the overhaul,

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Speaker 1: right that. I think the surprise with Northwestern is like

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Speaker 1: they kind of you can just blink and they're going

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Speaker 1: to be a bowl team. That's just how Pat Fitzgerald is.

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Speaker 1: Just like duct tape and chicken wire to bowl Northwestern

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Speaker 1: sometimes nine when with Northwestern, right, I think the hires

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Speaker 1: have been suspect there they have. I think the surprise

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Speaker 1: with Northwestern, and you're right, I mean the surprise with

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Speaker 1: Northwestern over the years has been that they've been so

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Speaker 1: good that they find ways, like you said, smoking mirrors,

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Speaker 1: the cape and chicken wire, to be as as good

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Speaker 1: as they are when the Big ten West go to

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Speaker 1: a good bowl game, that type of thing. The surprise

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Speaker 1: this year is how bad they were.

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Speaker 2: Well, they fielded the historically bad offense two years ago.

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Speaker 2: I get it, but it was so bad. It was

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Speaker 2: really bad, really bad.

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Speaker 1: Where we're on this show, we're looking at Northwestern, We're

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Speaker 1: thinking they got no shot in any of these games. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: no shot, And keep in mind you and I are

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Speaker 1: used to dunking on the Iowa offense. Mm hmm. Northwestern

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Speaker 1: was horrible, horrible. So I just if I were ranking

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Speaker 1: these in order of most surprised to least surprised, I

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Speaker 1: would say probably Texas won for me because they've got

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Speaker 1: a special place in my heart. What can I say?

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Speaker 1: Northwestern two, Nebraska three. I wasn't surprised by the Nebraska result,

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Speaker 1: if only because I knew the schedule was tough, and

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Speaker 1: you know, I knew they're going to be hitching their

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Speaker 1: wagon again the Adrian Moreartinez. And no disrespect to Adrian Martinez,

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Speaker 1: but you know, we've seen a couple of years of

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Speaker 1: what Scott Frost is trying to do, and it it

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Speaker 1: spooked me out a little bit that it was all

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Speaker 1: on him, or felt like it might all be on

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Speaker 1: him again.

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Speaker 2: So that one doesn't surprise me as much as the

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Speaker 2: other two. Yeah, God, do you think Pat Fitzgerald and

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Speaker 2: Kirk farrensh just get together in the off season, say like,

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Speaker 2: how how can we win the West with an awesome

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Speaker 2: defense and no offense? Do we just keep playing like this?

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Speaker 2: Should we just keep doing this? Should we just be

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Speaker 2: like silly little silly little boys, keep using this and

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Speaker 2: employing this as our strategy. It's working and did once again? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I don't know the Nebraska thing to me, it's just

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Speaker 2: the the mind blower.

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Speaker 1: No, all right, well right in We're at soliverbotgmail dot com.

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Speaker 1: know what your thoughts are. Who's surprise to you? Who

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Speaker 1: didn't surprise you? What were points of contention for you?

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Speaker 1: As a college football fan and watching some of these

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Speaker 1: teams play, what caught you off guard? We would obviously

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Speaker 1: solid Giveaway dot Com. Solid Giveaway dot Com. Get your

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Speaker 1: name in the hat to win that Reggie Bush signed

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Speaker 2: UH San Diego State four and a half games above

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Speaker 2: Indiana with a win total set at eight games heading

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Speaker 2: into the twenty twenty one season minus sliding in at

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Speaker 2: two and ten six.

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Speaker 1: That one is tough. That one's tough.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned Purdue Western Kentucky adding our guy Bailey, Zappi

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Speaker 2: and Kittley at at offensive coordinator. I want to say

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Speaker 2: George Kitley. Because of George kittle Zach Kitley at offensive coordinator,

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Speaker 2: they go two and a half over the expected win total.

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Speaker 2: Fresno State did a nice job with Kaylin de Boorr

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Speaker 2: just and utsa worth mentioning they were they showed potential

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Speaker 2: but were kind of a disaster in finishing out games.

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Speaker 2: They make that that next step, I think in large

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Speaker 2: part because of the passing game Frank Harris and just

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Speaker 2: really Frank Big Frank, yep. So really cool to see.

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Speaker 2: In terms of lessons moving forward with how I'm going

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Speaker 2: to look at this, I think I'm going to look

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Speaker 2: at returning production, consistency along the coaching staff, and just

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Speaker 2: how much I buy a team's conference. I think that

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Speaker 2: it's the common friends purchasing that that is going to

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Speaker 2: be my big thing. Like if I am if I

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Speaker 2: am just like not a Big twelve believer, I'm not

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Speaker 2: an acc believer heading into the twenty twenty two season.

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Speaker 1: I'm committing to that. I'm absolutely committing to that with

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Speaker 1: my win totals. All right, Well, we've got months and

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Speaker 1: months before we Yes, we do see the win totals

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Speaker 1: for the twenty twenty two season, but we'll be all

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Speaker 1: over that for sure. If it went that comes to fruition, Dan,

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Speaker 1: Always a pleasure to speak with you, Hey, same, It

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Speaker 1: was good to go through all the Jackson darts. Can

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Speaker 1: I kind of have that sound one more time? Please? Oh?

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Speaker 1: I really can't.

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Speaker 2: Always you can just call me up on the phone

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Speaker 2: and say can I hear the drop?

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Speaker 1: And I will. I'll absolutely play it for you. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate that we talked about Jackson Dart we talked about

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Speaker 1: Brian Kelly, you talked about Jim Harbaugh, all the news

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Speaker 1: in college football. Hopefully gave you a little bit more

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Speaker 1: context here on the season that was. We will be

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Speaker 1: back on Thursday. We'll be talking about National Signing Day.

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Speaker 1: Yes we have to, of course I like to. It's

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Speaker 1: the reason for the season for that guy over there,

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Speaker 1: my good friend Dan Rubinstein, for myself, Tie hildon Brandt,

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Speaker 1: will talk to you all in a few days. In

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Speaker 1: the meantime, as always, stay solid, peace,