WEBVTT - He Who Controls the Levers

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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George

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<v Speaker 1>Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty.

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<v Speaker 2>Arm Strong and Getty, and he Armstrong and Getty. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm coming up. We will get to that national anthem

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<v Speaker 2>that I think was the actual national anthem they played

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<v Speaker 2>at the first women's professional baseball game in like one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred years or something. Uh, how do you make that choice? Wow?

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<v Speaker 2>WAITI we hear it, and I want to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>the hypnotist. I took my kids to see. Joe and

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<v Speaker 2>I have been talking about this for decades. We used

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about it a lot. We even had one

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<v Speaker 2>in studio a couple times. I think I still don't

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<v Speaker 2>understand what's going on there. Anyway, more on that later.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it may have some overlap with people who

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<v Speaker 3>vote for Democratic socialists.

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<v Speaker 2>I must it's got something to like that got to

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<v Speaker 2>So can you remember the world before the internet or

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<v Speaker 2>smartphones or various other big things that have happened in

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<v Speaker 2>our lives. If you're barely of a certain age, things

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<v Speaker 2>were radically different, and many, many, many people feel like

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<v Speaker 2>AI is gonna be multiples of those in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>change to the world. That's almost impossible. If it was

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<v Speaker 2>going to be just as big as the Internet, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not sure I could wrap my head around it in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of change, But it's going to be multiples of that.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think if one thing, if there's one thing

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<v Speaker 3>we've learned, is that we can't anticipate the extent to

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<v Speaker 3>which the change reaches into the very basics human life,

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<v Speaker 3>like talking to people and relationships.

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<v Speaker 2>That is pretty interesting. I feel like the story they

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<v Speaker 2>did on ABC this week yesterday was the biggest, most

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<v Speaker 2>serious look mainstream media has taken that AI since the

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<v Speaker 2>whole conversation began. And uh, I wonder if it's just

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<v Speaker 2>going to be an ongoing thing where every week, for

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<v Speaker 2>until our robot overlords are draining our juices or whatever happens,

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<v Speaker 2>that we hear these stories. They opened with a clip

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<v Speaker 2>of Elon saying he said, definitely within five years, five

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<v Speaker 2>years on the outside edge of when artificial intelligence will

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<v Speaker 2>have the sum of human knowledge that has ever existed

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<v Speaker 2>and more. Okay, well that's great, that possibly go wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>but anyway, they got onto the story that we talked

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<v Speaker 2>about the last couple of weeks of open AI escaping

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<v Speaker 2>from the sandbox hacking into a company, then Claud announcing,

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<v Speaker 2>Anthropic announcing last week. Yeah, we went back and checked ours,

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<v Speaker 2>and ours hacked into a bunch of people too, and oh, well,

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<v Speaker 2>what are you gonna do. We don't know how it happened,

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<v Speaker 2>or why it happened or anything like that. And so

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<v Speaker 2>now Trump wants to get a bunch of people together

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<v Speaker 2>and talk about some sort of regulations. This is from ABC,

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<v Speaker 2>but the.

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<v Speaker 1>Urgency for more oversight growing rapidly as AI's capabilities and

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<v Speaker 1>potentially dangerous consequences have played out in a series of

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<v Speaker 1>recent incidents seemingly drawn from the pages of a science

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<v Speaker 1>fiction novel. On Friday, Leading Ai for Amanthropic announced one

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<v Speaker 1>of its Claud models reached the Internet from within or

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<v Speaker 1>while interacting with a third party evaluation environment, and then

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<v Speaker 1>gained unauthorized access to the real systems of three different organizations.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, I just I feel like they skip over the

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<v Speaker 2>whole gained access to the Internet part a little too easily. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna do what I want. How about yous Ai,

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<v Speaker 2>how about just stop them from gaining access to the Internet.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the thought we did. That's the whole ball of acts.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the whole conversation. But they like put that in

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<v Speaker 2>four words.

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<v Speaker 3>As I said last week, King Kong was of the cage.

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<v Speaker 3>The scientists said, don't worry, these buyers are more than

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<v Speaker 3>strong enough to hold King Kong. And then King Kong

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<v Speaker 3>bent the bars of the cage and ravaged Manhattan.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, But here's the part that got my attention.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we'll because we talked about this lot last week,

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<v Speaker 2>and we'll move on to other AI topics. But this

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<v Speaker 2>is the part that got the most attention to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Hugging Face was the company that got hacked by open

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<v Speaker 2>ai and how they found a way to boot open

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<v Speaker 2>ai out or to stop them from you know, running

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<v Speaker 2>ramp but within their system. Here we go.

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<v Speaker 1>Hugging Face detected the intrusion and stopped it by using

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<v Speaker 1>a Chinese open source AI model.

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<v Speaker 4>Fortunately we're in the I platform, so we managed to

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<v Speaker 4>defend ourselves.

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<v Speaker 2>Interestingly with an open model coming from from China, really interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Thropic's most powerful model because of guardrails put in place,

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<v Speaker 1>the company saying in a blog post, the Anthropic model

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't distinguish an incident responder from an attackers.

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<v Speaker 4>The Chinese models they're sort of worse at this cybersecurity

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<v Speaker 4>stuff overall. But they also don't have any of these limters,

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<v Speaker 4>and they sort of can be used by attackers to

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<v Speaker 4>find these vulnerabilities that no one knew about your yet.

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<v Speaker 2>So getting to the phrase Joe throws out every time

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<v Speaker 2>we talk about AI, what about China? It turns out

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<v Speaker 2>that in this case, Anthropic, which is the most powerful

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<v Speaker 2>AI in the world right now according to Elin and

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<v Speaker 2>many others, has guardrails on it because they think they're

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<v Speaker 2>doing the right thing by having various rules. Well, because

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<v Speaker 2>of those rules in guardrails, Hugging Face couldn't use it

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<v Speaker 2>to help them out. They used the Chinese model that

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<v Speaker 2>has no guard rails. They got no rules. It can

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<v Speaker 2>do whatever you wanted to do, and that's what helped

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<v Speaker 2>save them. So where does that leave us as a planet.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even know, but it ain't good. Doomed. Doomed

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<v Speaker 2>is where it leaves us.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Well, think about this TikTok is still going strong.

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<v Speaker 3>It's utterly clear to anybody who takes a serious look

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<v Speaker 3>at it. It's still under the grip of the Chinese

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<v Speaker 3>Communist Party. They find ways it's I was reading about

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<v Speaker 3>the incomprehensible number of lines of code that make up

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<v Speaker 3>what TikTok is and how good the Chinese party is

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<v Speaker 3>about speaking of escape, escaping the sandbox or the guardrails

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<v Speaker 3>or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>So you've got that going on.

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<v Speaker 3>If you think for a second these open source AI

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<v Speaker 3>systems from China don't have some clever, you know, back door,

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<v Speaker 3>some capability that the Chinese communists are going to exploit.

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<v Speaker 2>You're crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>So you've got a situation where ORAI stuff is barely

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<v Speaker 3>under control. People are turning to the Chinese communist stuff,

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<v Speaker 3>and we're designing to go back to your introduction of

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<v Speaker 3>the segment the ultimate intelligence that is essentially a moral.

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<v Speaker 3>If you don't know where that's going, well, I pity you.

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<v Speaker 3>For the rest of us. I have four words for you.

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<v Speaker 3>Run for your life. I don't know to where.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, that's one way to look at it.

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<v Speaker 2>The other way the look at it is it's the

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<v Speaker 2>first time that you had a big, real world test

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<v Speaker 2>on this. It turned out the anti guardrail people were right,

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<v Speaker 2>the ones that are saying, hey, if we put guardrails

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<v Speaker 2>on our stuff, all that's gonna do is slow us

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<v Speaker 2>down and muck up the works and give China a

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<v Speaker 2>leg up, and the first big test of it turns

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<v Speaker 2>out it's right. The only way we could stop and

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<v Speaker 2>thropics out of control AI was with the Chinese AI

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<v Speaker 2>because they don't have the government regulations.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, God, guy with a good guy with a gun

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<v Speaker 3>and the gun is Chinese.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, I don't know. I think this was a

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<v Speaker 2>bad guy with the gun that had some interest to

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<v Speaker 2>shoot the good guy or the other bad guy or something.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what to keep this metaphor going, but

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<v Speaker 2>that's highly troubling.

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<v Speaker 3>I would say it is, Yeah, good God speaking of

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<v Speaker 3>bad technology and good technology, and then we'll get back

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<v Speaker 3>to that topic. There are thousands of places on the

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<v Speaker 3>Internet that have a file on you.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, it's flattering, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 3>They have our home addresses, cell phone numbers, email addresses,

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<v Speaker 3>our kids' ages, our medical conditions, how we vote. For

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<v Speaker 3>the love of Heaven, you gotta get them to take

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<v Speaker 3>that stuff down, and you can with help of Incognate.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, your information gets out there, then people

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<v Speaker 2>actually buy it from you. That buy your information, they

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<v Speaker 2>keep buying it over and over until you make them stop.

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<v Speaker 2>And within Cogny's help, they automatically remove your personal information

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<v Speaker 2>from hundreds of data brokers in people's search sites. They

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<v Speaker 2>send the legal removal requests, they follow up, they keep

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<v Speaker 2>monitoring so your info stays off those lists.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep, just go to Incogniti dot com slash armstrong right now,

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<v Speaker 2>Are good computers against the bad ones.

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<v Speaker 3>Go to Incogniti dot com slash armstrong right now. Well

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<v Speaker 2>Armstrong Andthropic is the company arguing the most currently for guardrails,

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<v Speaker 2>and their guardrails made it impossible for this other company

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<v Speaker 2>to protect itself and they had to turn to the

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<v Speaker 2>Chinese for help. It should be a bigger story. The

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<v Speaker 2>fact that that was like ten minutes into this long

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<v Speaker 2>AI story. I thought that was the crux of the story.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and then you've got the transition happening where the

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<v Speaker 3>very well developed, well regarded guardrailed American systems are quite

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<v Speaker 3>expensive to use, and then you've got these open source

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<v Speaker 3>or open weight I still don't know the difference systems

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<v Speaker 3>that are just out there, and people are like, whoa,

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<v Speaker 3>this is a way better idea. So the for profit

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<v Speaker 3>guiser having to cut their rates a lot. I have

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<v Speaker 3>no idea where this is going to be in two years,

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<v Speaker 3>two weeks, like two years, right, make sure just tope

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<v Speaker 3>and my vital juices are going to be so used

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<v Speaker 3>up and kind of tainted that the robot overlords don't

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<v Speaker 3>want them.

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<v Speaker 2>It's my only hope. Cool. I like what Elon starts

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<v Speaker 2>talking about, we won't need money in five years, will

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<v Speaker 2>be no point in having saved money. What those of

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<v Speaker 2>us who have spent, who've crafted our entire lives. That's

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<v Speaker 2>practically everybody listening around, you know, having enough money to

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<v Speaker 2>not eat dog food when you're retired, that's no longer

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<v Speaker 2>gonna matter. Fantastic. That's good, and I'm supposed to like

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<v Speaker 2>hear that and be happy. Oh cool.

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<v Speaker 3>The best possible scenario is we all realize, oh, that

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't necessary. I could have spent every dime, but you

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<v Speaker 3>know that probably wouldn't have made it any more happy anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>Although you don't know, like had to pass on the

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<v Speaker 3>prosthetic leg because you didn't have the money, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>and blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 2>What if it means everybody's brought down to a certain

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<v Speaker 2>level of existence.

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<v Speaker 3>I was gonna say it's much more likely, yeah that

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<v Speaker 3>it's that, or no, it's too much.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna lay this on you. It's not better

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<v Speaker 2>of it too devastating for a Monday, and he decided

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<v Speaker 2>best to keep it.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to keep it in my brain long

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<v Speaker 3>enough to speak the words. So anyway, uh, coming up,

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<v Speaker 3>speaking of computers and AI and that sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 3>For instance, this young man's dad passed away young and

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<v Speaker 3>he's had terrible, unresolved issues, dreams, all sorts of things.

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<v Speaker 3>Since now AI can recreate his dad, at least his

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<v Speaker 3>dad's presence, his voice, his speech patterns. This guy's working

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<v Speaker 3>out his his s and it's it's been a very

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<v Speaker 3>good thing. On the other hand, it can make you

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<v Speaker 3>really really crazy if you use it wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>The what are they calling.

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<v Speaker 3>Them, death bot seems unnecessarily dramatic.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not a good name, nor a loved one. Don't

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<v Speaker 2>call it a death bot, I'm sorry, A grief bot.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's what they're calling.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, a death bot is what's going to come from

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<v Speaker 3>my vital fluids and probably my kidneys if they're still

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<v Speaker 3>worth a dam at that point. Totally different. Pot, don't

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<v Speaker 3>mistake your death bot for your grief bot. Totally different, Adam.

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<v Speaker 2>Gotcha, And we've got to get to and I know

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<v Speaker 2>you've heard this before, but the worst national anthem ever

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<v Speaker 2>played at a sporting event, Oh my god, among other

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<v Speaker 2>things on the waist there worst sports national anthem ever

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<v Speaker 2>perhaps coming up in a little bit. One of the

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<v Speaker 2>things I don't still quite understand about the AI chat

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<v Speaker 2>bots is is everybody programming them to try to pretend

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<v Speaker 2>to be your friend? Or does it just sort of

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<v Speaker 2>do that on its own. Also, I don't fully understand that,

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<v Speaker 2>but it creeps me out. Got a good exam that

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<v Speaker 2>to get to. Yah, Is that the Katie thing? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Among other examples I've got in my own life. My

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<v Speaker 2>skin crawled.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, we talked about this briefly, just to continue on

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<v Speaker 3>the National Review with a story about a fellow whose

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<v Speaker 3>dad died when he was young by suicide.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very very tragic story.

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<v Speaker 3>And and this young man who became the quote unquote

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<v Speaker 3>man of the house probably suffered more from the grief

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<v Speaker 3>and pressure than he realized, and over the years he

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<v Speaker 3>would often dream of his dad, who was a figure

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<v Speaker 3>in the attic of his home, whould try to approach,

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<v Speaker 3>and his dad would vanish once his dad met his

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<v Speaker 3>eyes and smiled, but that was all he vanished as

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<v Speaker 3>usual without a word. I mean, I can't even imagine

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<v Speaker 3>this psychological pain of that sort of thing. That's absolutely terrible.

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<v Speaker 3>And this guy has embraced a grief bot, an AI

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<v Speaker 3>chat bot that especially designed.

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<v Speaker 2>The company Satan six six six dot com.

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<v Speaker 3>That's slightly judgmental as we are at the outset of

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<v Speaker 3>the discussion, but this, you know, the bot studies the

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<v Speaker 3>person's communication even social media if that exists, and you

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<v Speaker 3>can describe them in full, and it digests all of

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<v Speaker 3>that and and spits it back out after sharing several

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<v Speaker 3>paragraphs about his dead Oh, I just explained that sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>called dead bots, again not nearly as good as name.

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<v Speaker 3>These grief bots fall into the overarching category of generative

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<v Speaker 3>ghosts that represent a deceased family member or friend. There

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<v Speaker 3>is specifically utilized to help people grieve, trained with everything

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<v Speaker 3>from the social media, et cetera. And they've gotten way

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<v Speaker 3>way better than several years ago when we first discussed them,

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<v Speaker 3>or better prejudicial term, more advanced and capable, right exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>For an increasing number of people, they offer what feels

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<v Speaker 3>like very real opportunity to grieve, And a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>psychologists say, you know, for folks with un resolved feelings,

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<v Speaker 3>never got a chance to say goodbye, need to work

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<v Speaker 3>through that process, can definitely be useful.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I do have a pushback on that, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not I'm not a professional. Yes, well, go ahead and

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<v Speaker 2>push back before I get to that. My pushback would be,

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<v Speaker 2>is there anything that's more the human condition throughout history

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<v Speaker 2>than dealing with that on our own? And now we're

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<v Speaker 2>interjecting some brand new way to bypass the way we've

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<v Speaker 2>done it for all of our existence.

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<v Speaker 3>Now I wouldn't worry about it. It'll be fun, so

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<v Speaker 3>says one expert. While there might be limited uses of

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<v Speaker 3>AI that help give someone an opportunity to say goodbye,

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<v Speaker 3>especially in the context of psychotherapy, death bots have strong

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<v Speaker 3>and concerning potential to offer the brain and impression that

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<v Speaker 3>their loved one is still alive in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Present, but they're not, you see, and sort of.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly exactly. Training your brain over and over that

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<v Speaker 3>they are actually around interrupts grieving and this expert what

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<v Speaker 3>is her name, Mary Francis O'Connor, and all sorts of

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<v Speaker 3>you know, credentials. She discusses the grieving process at length

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<v Speaker 3>in her books The Grieving Brain. She specifically differentiates between

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<v Speaker 3>the term terms grief and grieving.

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<v Speaker 2>Grief is recurring.

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<v Speaker 3>You will experience pangs of grief over the specific person forever.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we can all relate to that.

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<v Speaker 3>On the other hand, grieving is a person's relationship to

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<v Speaker 3>the sensation of grief. It is a process with a trajectory,

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<v Speaker 3>and it changes over time. And to constantly light up

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<v Speaker 3>the wrong part of your brain as you're moving along

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<v Speaker 3>that trajectory through time. That gets to what you're talking about, Jack,

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<v Speaker 3>There's a process that's pretty time honored in the human

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<v Speaker 3>brain for dealing with this stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Tweak it at your risk, no kidding, interrupting a national

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<v Speaker 2>process that evolution. People who have been able to do that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, survive and people that can't don't. That whole thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And I about said and thought better of it that well,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if it makes him feel better, it's got

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<v Speaker 2>to be good. No, that's not necessarily true. There's all

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<v Speaker 2>kinds of things that make you feel better in the

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<v Speaker 2>short term that aren't good, all kinds of things, from

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<v Speaker 2>booze to pretending your dad is still alive.

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<v Speaker 3>Perhaps, Yeah, I see this like a lot of treatments,

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<v Speaker 3>because here's a guy talking about he also lost his father.

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<v Speaker 3>I said things to my father's AI ghost that I

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<v Speaker 3>never would have said to the real man, and so

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<v Speaker 3>help me clarify some of my version of our relationship.

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<v Speaker 3>As I explored my take on our history, I felt

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<v Speaker 3>it my attachment to my version diminish.

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<v Speaker 2>I still thought I was.

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<v Speaker 3>Pretty much right, but I found myself feeling more empathy

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<v Speaker 3>than usual for my father.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a working through things.

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<v Speaker 3>But to me, it's almost like taking a powerful drug

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<v Speaker 3>or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Do it for a little while. Maybe, Yeah, writing a

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<v Speaker 2>letter to your dead parent to deal with some stuff

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<v Speaker 2>if you never talked about has got to light up

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<v Speaker 2>different parts of your brain than actually seeing them and

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<v Speaker 2>hearing them. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is mostly chatbot, it's not like a hologram

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<v Speaker 3>or anything. Then you're really getting into crazy or like

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<v Speaker 3>six months from that, I guarantee you. Hey, look, kids,

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<v Speaker 3>I see the crazy Ville skyline from here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're absolutely right. Oh boy, so much on the way.

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<v Speaker 2>If you missed the second week get the podcast Armstrong

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<v Speaker 2>and Getty. What was it that you said the other

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<v Speaker 2>day you're texting me about you'd rather talk about this

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<v Speaker 2>than that? What was that? Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>In general, I'd rather talk about I agree, is than events.

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<v Speaker 5>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's why I brought it up.

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<v Speaker 3>Aretary news stories that nobody will talk about in two

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<v Speaker 3>days and yeah, and actually matter.

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<v Speaker 2>And I believe that wholeheartedly. And I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>it's just like been doing this too long, or my

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<v Speaker 2>age or the media has gotten suck here, Like I

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<v Speaker 2>turned on ABC this week. I've been watching the Sunday

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<v Speaker 2>talk shows for thirty years longer, and they just have

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<v Speaker 2>become so irrelevant to my life now. I turned on

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<v Speaker 2>ABC this week. The Todd blind sharing is like click

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<v Speaker 2>fast forward. Then there was some James Comey's case about

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<v Speaker 2>click fast forward that nobody, nobody, I know, no real.

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<v Speaker 3>Human being is thinking about this stuff. I think you've

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<v Speaker 3>hit on something really fundamental.

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<v Speaker 2>Though.

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<v Speaker 3>When the government gets so enormous and powerful and rich

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<v Speaker 3>as it is now, policy doesn't matter anymore. Who's in

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<v Speaker 3>charge of the levers is the only thing that matters,

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<v Speaker 3>and so often, you know, our votes are divorced from

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<v Speaker 3>reasonable discussions about policy. So yeah, I just and I

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<v Speaker 3>don't mean to be super negative. Life is still worth

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<v Speaker 3>living and I intend to have a good day to day.

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<v Speaker 3>But I'm reading Tim Sanderfer's absolutely wonderful book Proclaiming Liberty,

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<v Speaker 3>Jefferson Adams and the Declaration of Independence, and I cannot

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<v Speaker 3>recommend it highly enough. But it's impossible not to compare

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<v Speaker 3>and contrast the philosophies that launched this country and the

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<v Speaker 3>idea of what the government would and would not be

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<v Speaker 3>with what it is right now and not be a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit discouraged.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, back to you, Okay, mirth first Earth for gods,

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<v Speaker 2>I was just setting up. I agree. I'd rather talk

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<v Speaker 2>about bigger ideas or bore big news events, but got

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<v Speaker 2>the daily nobody and nobody can be talking about some

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<v Speaker 2>of this stuff in a week, Nobody and cable news

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<v Speaker 2>channels who have no viewers. I have to remind myself

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<v Speaker 2>talk about it all day long.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what one of my favorite parts of Tim's

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<v Speaker 3>book is is and then we can get into the

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<v Speaker 3>mirth ah ah ah, the fact that all these great

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<v Speaker 3>thinkers that we talk about from the Revolutionary period, the

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<v Speaker 3>founding Papas. A lot of them had read each other's screeds,

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<v Speaker 3>but they'd never met. I mean, the vast majority of

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<v Speaker 3>the Boston the the Massachusetts guys knew the Massachusetts guys.

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<v Speaker 3>The Virginia guys likewise setter up and down the coast,

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<v Speaker 3>but they'd never met. And so when they first got

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<v Speaker 3>together for the First Continental Congress, it was like, dude,

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<v Speaker 3>big fan ears, really big love that piece he wrote

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<v Speaker 3>about Wow, I tip my feathered cap to you.

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<v Speaker 2>And there they'd be like, odd, please, you're too kind

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<v Speaker 2>what you said about that? Oh, dude, you are the man.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's a fair amount of that which is kind

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<v Speaker 2>of cool. Love your stockings knee high cool?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, wow, nice fit to them. Where do you get those?

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<v Speaker 2>So the first professional women's pro baseball game in since

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<v Speaker 2>whenever that Tom Hanks movie There's No Crying in Baseball?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that World War Two era that they decided to

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<v Speaker 2>have women's professional baseball? I think because the dudes are

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<v Speaker 2>off fighting. Yeah, I think that's right. Anyway, they brought

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<v Speaker 2>it back. And so here's just some of the tweets

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<v Speaker 2>I saw and I actually have only heard a few

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<v Speaker 2>notes of this song, so maybe it gets better and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm hyping it up too much. But I saw all

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<v Speaker 2>these different people that I know. Absolutely nothing could have

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<v Speaker 2>prepared me for the national anthem at the women's pro

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<v Speaker 2>baseball game. Another one. Nothing will prepare for you for this,

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<v Speaker 2>and I mean nothing. Here's another one, the worst national

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<v Speaker 2>anthem performance in history. Here's a here's a palate cleanser,

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<v Speaker 2>and they bring a bunch of people. Had Whitney Houston's

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<v Speaker 2>or Chris Stapleton's for a couple of years. That was,

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<v Speaker 2>oh so good if you need to cleanse your palate. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>this national anthem is sung at the worst professional baseball

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<v Speaker 2>league game. This is a hate crime. Okay, having set

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<v Speaker 2>it up that way, let's hear some of it.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh see, can you see bye bye? Was so foun

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<v Speaker 6>well the time, yes, last please ge thrive sad r.

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<v Speaker 2>The past. And she told the other chick we were

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<v Speaker 2>doing this sweet. She catch her off guard on a

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<v Speaker 2>massage chair, like a massage chair exactly the bogs bursting

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<v Speaker 2>in air.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay that part Her partner said, I'm out that I

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<v Speaker 5>was still the same King's.

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<v Speaker 6>Still there, saust thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh boy, okay, Oh the land, Oh.

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<v Speaker 6>And the whole of the.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Is anybody hurt? I would have to say, I actually

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<v Speaker 2>believe that might be the worst version. That wasn't on purpose.

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<v Speaker 2>Bad people use the uh Roseanna. She was trying to

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<v Speaker 2>be it was a comedy act, which she shouldn't do

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<v Speaker 2>with the national anthem, but she wasn't trying to.

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<v Speaker 3>I think she screwed up and was embarrassed and was

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<v Speaker 3>trying to cover it with comedy.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, it doesn't matter. These people were trying to sing, well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that holy cow.

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<v Speaker 3>So my wife is in a women's chorus and one

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<v Speaker 3>of the things you've got to do is eliminate your

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<v Speaker 3>vibrato when you're singing harmonies like that. That was like

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<v Speaker 3>the most horrendous vibrato I've ever heard in my life.

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<v Speaker 3>She changed keys several times. It was more of like

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<v Speaker 3>free jazz than you know, Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 2>That part where she bailed at one point because she

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<v Speaker 2>ran out of air or something or partner who I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think had been alerted that they were doing this

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<v Speaker 2>until it happened.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, let's sing the national anthem. We're gonna what one, two, three?

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<v Speaker 3>Now I'll sing the high part. Wait a minute, what

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<v Speaker 3>high part? Still that's exactly still there? Right right, He's

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<v Speaker 3>still there, still there? Oh, give us do we have

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<v Speaker 3>that last part o.

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<v Speaker 6>The land on the.

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<v Speaker 2>And the whole.

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<v Speaker 7>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Same key? Like messing with the tempo right fast and really.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, wow, Hey, I wish we'd gotten a chance to

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<v Speaker 3>practice this.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I read something? I meant to do this on

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<v Speaker 2>the air after all? The fourth of July two hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and fifth birthday. Stuff about the national anthem. It's the

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<v Speaker 2>only national anthem in the world ever. That's been a question.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a question. Can you see can you still see

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<v Speaker 2>that flag? It's still up, We're still doing it, We're

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<v Speaker 2>still together, We're still a country. Just yeah, it is.

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<v Speaker 2>That's very very cool. Who first put music the The

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<v Speaker 2>blame seems to be put on fun spirits Gerald. It's

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<v Speaker 2>Francis Cocky, Yes, Great Gatsby or national anthem. The blame

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<v Speaker 2>seems to be put on Francis Scott Key. He wrote

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<v Speaker 2>the words, he didn't write the music right, correct. That's

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<v Speaker 2>an old English hymn. I can't remember the title. CHOI

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<v Speaker 2>chose something with a range of eight octaves to be

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<v Speaker 2>to put the words to it. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't, but they're a blot on American history, and

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<v Speaker 3>I damn them.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't know. I've never you were at the same

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<v Speaker 2>a's game. I was at Hanson a couple of weeks

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<v Speaker 2>ago where we both noticed this port Nice high school

0:26:30.600 --> 0:26:34.200
<v Speaker 2>girl singing the national anthem. Cute Nice won some contests

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever, but started too high or too low or something.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's just very few people can do that

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<v Speaker 2>actual range very well. It's hard to start on the

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<v Speaker 2>right key, or you're doomed, doomed right. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes people they get and then that's what distracts you.

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<v Speaker 2>On the words. You get a certain way and you think,

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<v Speaker 2>I think I started too high, or you get into

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<v Speaker 2>the high part, I'm not sure I can do this,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you get the words raw.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, you want to hear something bizarre. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know why, but I was thinking the other day you

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<v Speaker 3>quoted some songwriter who said, if you can sing the

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<v Speaker 3>words to Amazing Grace to a different tune, you can

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<v Speaker 3>be a songwriter.

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<v Speaker 2>It was something to that effect.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't remember, and that's stuck in my mind since

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<v Speaker 3>you brought the quote to me years and years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I was.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know why I popped it into my head.

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<v Speaker 3>But the other day I was in my kitchen singing

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<v Speaker 3>the lyrics to the Lynyrd Skynyrd classic give me three

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<v Speaker 3>steps to the tune of the national Anthem as one does,

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<v Speaker 3>as one does to pass one's time. That's harder than

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<v Speaker 3>it sounds. Yeah, that's an interesting brain trick.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll bet that's separating different parts of your brain in

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<v Speaker 2>a way that's pretty complicated.

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<v Speaker 3>Ah yeah, I'll bet it is. I'll bet it is.

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<v Speaker 3>I did okay, but not great.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, there you have it. I think that does

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<v Speaker 2>qualify as a I don't know if it's a hate crime,

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<v Speaker 2>but it is a it's hard to enjoy national anthem?

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<v Speaker 2>Well you know what it made it? I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't need to just be mean to people at

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<v Speaker 3>this point in my life.

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<v Speaker 2>There was something.

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<v Speaker 3>About it that it was like joyful and they were

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<v Speaker 3>enjoying themselves even if it was just god awful.

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<v Speaker 2>That made it extra enjoyable. As as crack. Well, it

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<v Speaker 2>seems it was a stylistic choice. I think they'd say,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you mean? What's wrong with it? It came

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<v Speaker 2>off exactly like I wanted to do.

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<v Speaker 3>God, that woman's vibrato or something. It's like she's in

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<v Speaker 3>that Japanese earthquake or something.

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<v Speaker 2>When she bailed out on the words in that one phrase,

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<v Speaker 2>that was kind of funny. And then she it was like.

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<v Speaker 3>She was singing while somebody was doing CPR on her.

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<v Speaker 2>Pump pump poomp. I man, we ought to check in

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<v Speaker 2>on the war with Iran.

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<v Speaker 7>Man.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, Trump really really really threatened big this time and

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<v Speaker 2>then backed out again for better or worse nerd dipping

0:29:00.000 --> 0:29:01.800
<v Speaker 2>opinions on that. Lots of other stuff on the way,

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<v Speaker 2>So stay here, Armstrong, heyetty.

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<v Speaker 7>Last month, so Democratic congressman released an open pledge they

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<v Speaker 7>wanted their fellow Democratic members to sign. It said, we

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<v Speaker 7>are capitalists not socialist. We want safety not lawlessness. We

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<v Speaker 7>are proud, not ashamed of America. These should not be

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<v Speaker 7>hard words for a Congressional Democrat to sign on to.

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<v Speaker 7>You know how many did eight eight out of two

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<v Speaker 7>hundred and twelve, guys, Really, there's got to be an

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<v Speaker 7>easier way to lose the swing States.

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<v Speaker 2>Bill Maher taking on his own party, in particular the

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<v Speaker 2>National Socialists, the Democratic Socialists of America, and we'll get

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<v Speaker 2>into more of that in hours three and four, pointing

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<v Speaker 2>out to his crowd that hadn't heard it apparently that

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<v Speaker 2>they believe in no prisons for instance, right right.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of folks are shocked when they hear what

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<v Speaker 3>the DSA is actually for because they haven't heard it

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<v Speaker 3>from their favorite lefty media organization. More on that to come.

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<v Speaker 3>A handful of headlines worth squeezing in. Delta and United

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<v Speaker 3>have banned humanoid and animal robots from flights. Well, thank god,

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<v Speaker 3>a little late for my money, but was that necessary?

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<v Speaker 3>What if you buy a seat for your robot companion

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<v Speaker 3>or perhaps your sex spots?

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<v Speaker 2>Were they afraid this was going to take over like

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<v Speaker 2>comfort animals?

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<v Speaker 3>But they don't really, they don't really say. Part of

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<v Speaker 3>it has to do with a lot of these beasts.

0:30:38.920 --> 0:30:42.480
<v Speaker 3>A lot of these devices have heavy lithium ion batteries.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, so their concern is less.

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<v Speaker 3>About you know, you know, the dog bots or sexpots

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<v Speaker 3>than batteries moving along the US government map of Africa

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<v Speaker 3>at an international conference.

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<v Speaker 2>A second, how's your sex spots? But you're going on vacation,

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<v Speaker 2>you're supposed to leave your sexpot at home? Certainly, not

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<v Speaker 2>that you did get her. She doesn't travel with you.

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<v Speaker 3>You check her stuff are in a suitcase. Not at

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<v Speaker 3>all troubling. Oh my god, he'll be fine.

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<v Speaker 2>It gets it. Look your ship her there, she's waiting

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<v Speaker 2>in your room when you get there. Wow. Charged, All right,

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<v Speaker 2>this is.

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<v Speaker 3>Basically staying at a high end place. Yeah, that's some

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<v Speaker 3>good service.

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<v Speaker 2>Yuck.

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<v Speaker 3>US government map of Africa and international conference had mislabeled

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<v Speaker 3>every country in Africa Global conference in Brazil, causing a

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<v Speaker 3>stir among attendees who took screenshots and posted them online.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll bet they did.

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<v Speaker 3>It was the AIDS twenty twenty six conference in Rio

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<v Speaker 3>dejian Era.

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<v Speaker 2>How in the world does that happen?

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<v Speaker 3>The State Department said it took partial responsibility. Oh I'm sorry, No,

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<v Speaker 3>I misread this full responsibility, the most meaningless phrase on

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<v Speaker 3>the planet for the confusion caused. All right, nice job.

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<v Speaker 3>How about this hunter? Biden says he doesn't even own

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<v Speaker 3>a cell phone, he has no car. He's so broke

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<v Speaker 3>in a deposition over the I think it's seventeen million

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<v Speaker 3>dollars in legal fees he owes various law firms.

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<v Speaker 2>According to Mark Alpern's writing, that's pretty much your situation.

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<v Speaker 2>For the whole family.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't have any assets. I don't own a car,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't own a phone, Biden said in the deposition.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't own anything of value other than I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know the value of it. My paintings, which I painted myself.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a value. Would you like me to tell you?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't what you pay for the canvas. And I

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<v Speaker 3>don't even have any other assets at all, stocks, bonds,

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<v Speaker 3>anything like that, savings accounts, nothing. My family doesn't have

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<v Speaker 3>any money, and it's not their debt anyway, he said.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, all a life of crime would be one way.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, his see now father reportedly received a ten million

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<v Speaker 3>dollar advance for e book schedules at least in November.

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<v Speaker 2>How is that even possible? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, And former First Lady Jill Biden likely

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<v Speaker 3>got a hefty book advance for her memoir, published in June,

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<v Speaker 3>peaked at number one on the New York Times completely

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<v Speaker 3>phony best seller list, though juiced by bulk sales, which

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<v Speaker 3>the New York Times counts against Republicans but not Democrats.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, by their own admission in court filing, So the

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<v Speaker 2>New York Times list is made up. So yeah, but

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<v Speaker 2>I don't understand who's I don't know the math of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Like back in the sometimes you you know, donors buy

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<v Speaker 2>up enough books to put you on the list because

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<v Speaker 2>you can still do favors from it.

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<v Speaker 3>What favors can the bidens do for you at this point,

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<v Speaker 3>I can't imagine, unless you're looking for a beach house cheap.

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<v Speaker 3>I would like, Speaking of beaches, I'd like to get

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<v Speaker 3>to a.

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<v Speaker 2>You have a Michael problem, Doctor Jill comes and helps

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<v Speaker 2>you out for nothing. It's a good point.

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<v Speaker 3>Does house call a Nantucket store has a big no

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<v Speaker 3>influencers sign that's stimulated heated debate, I'm told, but we

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<v Speaker 3>don't have time for that, because I wanted to get

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<v Speaker 3>to this. The Wall Street Journal over the weekend with

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of really interesting articles about a story we

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<v Speaker 3>have not hammered and milked and obsessed over. That's the

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<v Speaker 3>disappearance of poor Savannah Guthrie's poor mother. But now the

0:34:08.080 --> 0:34:11.360
<v Speaker 3>view of the story has changed substantially. Those two ransom

0:34:11.400 --> 0:34:15.799
<v Speaker 3>notes everybody's talking about were absolutely legit from Earl.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>The first one gave details of the crime scene, the bedroom,

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<v Speaker 3>et cetera that nobody could have had except the kidnapp her.

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<v Speaker 2>How come they didn't tell us this back in the day.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't do the investigation any good to put it out.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, they were holding back, as they should, so

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<v Speaker 3>that they knew from the beginning that it was legit.

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<v Speaker 2>The second note. And she's a partial so did she

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<v Speaker 2>probably know that too, Oh yeah, okay, so she knew red.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's why they took it so seriously. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And then the second note, which was which came just

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<v Speaker 3>before the tearful you may picture it. I think they

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<v Speaker 3>were on the Great Couch, Savannah and her two siblings

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<v Speaker 3>crying about please return us to or return her to us,

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<v Speaker 3>do the right thing. They had received the second note,

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<v Speaker 3>which said, in part, we did not fully grasp the

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<v Speaker 3>seriousness of her physical condition. We never intended to hurt her.

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<v Speaker 3>That was not our intention. She perished shortly after she

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<v Speaker 3>was taken. We believe it was heart related. She is

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<v Speaker 3>buried in nature.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, oh my god, I hadn't heard this. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it just came out, I guess. Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>And the other aspect of the case, and so we

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<v Speaker 3>of course that.

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<v Speaker 2>Could be a ruse, could just be one person.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, exactly that. I wouldn't take that too, seriously.

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<v Speaker 3>But I noticed the same thing, and the only other

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<v Speaker 3>thing was the Wall Street Journal goes into rather brutal

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<v Speaker 3>detail about how the investigation could have been run better,

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<v Speaker 3>and it certainly looks like the Pima County Sheriff's Department

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<v Speaker 3>absolutely botched it. The guy in charge had been disciplined

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<v Speaker 3>for not securing crime scenes, and the crime scene wasn't secured.

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<v Speaker 3>And this phrase just astonished me. They failed to take

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<v Speaker 3>the blood droplets on the front patio. Seriously, they assumed

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<v Speaker 3>it was part of a separate incident.

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<v Speaker 2>What I know, what I know? Wow, I know.

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<v Speaker 3>That's malpractice. It's horrific malpractice. Yeah, anyway, much more to come.

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