Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty.
Speaker 2: Arm Strong and Getty, and he Armstrong and Getty. So
Speaker 2: I'm coming up. We will get to that national anthem
Speaker 2: that I think was the actual national anthem they played
Speaker 2: at the first women's professional baseball game in like one
Speaker 2: hundred years or something. Uh, how do you make that choice? Wow?
Speaker 2: WAITI we hear it, and I want to talk about
Speaker 2: the hypnotist. I took my kids to see. Joe and
Speaker 2: I have been talking about this for decades. We used
Speaker 2: to talk about it a lot. We even had one
Speaker 2: in studio a couple times. I think I still don't
Speaker 2: understand what's going on there. Anyway, more on that later.
Speaker 3: I think it may have some overlap with people who
Speaker 3: vote for Democratic socialists.
Speaker 2: I must it's got something to like that got to
Speaker 2: So can you remember the world before the internet or
Speaker 2: smartphones or various other big things that have happened in
Speaker 2: our lives. If you're barely of a certain age, things
Speaker 2: were radically different, and many, many, many people feel like
Speaker 2: AI is gonna be multiples of those in terms of
Speaker 2: change to the world. That's almost impossible. If it was
Speaker 2: going to be just as big as the Internet, I'm
Speaker 2: not sure I could wrap my head around it in
Speaker 2: terms of change, But it's going to be multiples of that.
Speaker 3: And I think if one thing, if there's one thing
Speaker 3: we've learned, is that we can't anticipate the extent to
Speaker 3: which the change reaches into the very basics human life,
Speaker 3: like talking to people and relationships.
Speaker 2: That is pretty interesting. I feel like the story they
Speaker 2: did on ABC this week yesterday was the biggest, most
Speaker 2: serious look mainstream media has taken that AI since the
Speaker 2: whole conversation began. And uh, I wonder if it's just
Speaker 2: going to be an ongoing thing where every week, for
Speaker 2: until our robot overlords are draining our juices or whatever happens,
Speaker 2: that we hear these stories. They opened with a clip
Speaker 2: of Elon saying he said, definitely within five years, five
Speaker 2: years on the outside edge of when artificial intelligence will
Speaker 2: have the sum of human knowledge that has ever existed
Speaker 2: and more. Okay, well that's great, that possibly go wrong,
Speaker 2: but anyway, they got onto the story that we talked
Speaker 2: about the last couple of weeks of open AI escaping
Speaker 2: from the sandbox hacking into a company, then Claud announcing,
Speaker 2: Anthropic announcing last week. Yeah, we went back and checked ours,
Speaker 2: and ours hacked into a bunch of people too, and oh, well,
Speaker 2: what are you gonna do. We don't know how it happened,
Speaker 2: or why it happened or anything like that. And so
Speaker 2: now Trump wants to get a bunch of people together
Speaker 2: and talk about some sort of regulations. This is from ABC,
Speaker 2: but the.
Speaker 1: Urgency for more oversight growing rapidly as AI's capabilities and
Speaker 1: potentially dangerous consequences have played out in a series of
Speaker 1: recent incidents seemingly drawn from the pages of a science
Speaker 1: fiction novel. On Friday, Leading Ai for Amanthropic announced one
Speaker 1: of its Claud models reached the Internet from within or
Speaker 1: while interacting with a third party evaluation environment, and then
Speaker 1: gained unauthorized access to the real systems of three different organizations.
Speaker 2: Again, I just I feel like they skip over the
Speaker 2: whole gained access to the Internet part a little too easily. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do what I want. How about yous Ai,
Speaker 2: how about just stop them from gaining access to the Internet.
Speaker 2: That's the thought we did. That's the whole ball of acts.
Speaker 2: That's the whole conversation. But they like put that in
Speaker 2: four words.
Speaker 3: As I said last week, King Kong was of the cage.
Speaker 3: The scientists said, don't worry, these buyers are more than
Speaker 3: strong enough to hold King Kong. And then King Kong
Speaker 3: bent the bars of the cage and ravaged Manhattan.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, But here's the part that got my attention.
Speaker 2: And then we'll because we talked about this lot last week,
Speaker 2: and we'll move on to other AI topics. But this
Speaker 2: is the part that got the most attention to me.
Speaker 2: Hugging Face was the company that got hacked by open
Speaker 2: ai and how they found a way to boot open
Speaker 2: ai out or to stop them from you know, running
Speaker 2: ramp but within their system. Here we go.
Speaker 1: Hugging Face detected the intrusion and stopped it by using
Speaker 1: a Chinese open source AI model.
Speaker 4: Fortunately we're in the I platform, so we managed to
Speaker 4: defend ourselves.
Speaker 2: Interestingly with an open model coming from from China, really interesting.
Speaker 1: Thropic's most powerful model because of guardrails put in place,
Speaker 1: the company saying in a blog post, the Anthropic model
Speaker 1: couldn't distinguish an incident responder from an attackers.
Speaker 4: The Chinese models they're sort of worse at this cybersecurity
Speaker 4: stuff overall. But they also don't have any of these limters,
Speaker 4: and they sort of can be used by attackers to
Speaker 4: find these vulnerabilities that no one knew about your yet.
Speaker 2: So getting to the phrase Joe throws out every time
Speaker 2: we talk about AI, what about China? It turns out
Speaker 2: that in this case, Anthropic, which is the most powerful
Speaker 2: AI in the world right now according to Elin and
Speaker 2: many others, has guardrails on it because they think they're
Speaker 2: doing the right thing by having various rules. Well, because
Speaker 2: of those rules in guardrails, Hugging Face couldn't use it
Speaker 2: to help them out. They used the Chinese model that
Speaker 2: has no guard rails. They got no rules. It can
Speaker 2: do whatever you wanted to do, and that's what helped
Speaker 2: save them. So where does that leave us as a planet.
Speaker 2: I don't even know, but it ain't good. Doomed. Doomed
Speaker 2: is where it leaves us.
Speaker 3: Well, Well, think about this TikTok is still going strong.
Speaker 3: It's utterly clear to anybody who takes a serious look
Speaker 3: at it. It's still under the grip of the Chinese
Speaker 3: Communist Party. They find ways it's I was reading about
Speaker 3: the incomprehensible number of lines of code that make up
Speaker 3: what TikTok is and how good the Chinese party is
Speaker 3: about speaking of escape, escaping the sandbox or the guardrails
Speaker 3: or whatever.
Speaker 2: So you've got that going on.
Speaker 3: If you think for a second these open source AI
Speaker 3: systems from China don't have some clever, you know, back door,
Speaker 3: some capability that the Chinese communists are going to exploit.
Speaker 2: You're crazy.
Speaker 3: So you've got a situation where ORAI stuff is barely
Speaker 3: under control. People are turning to the Chinese communist stuff,
Speaker 3: and we're designing to go back to your introduction of
Speaker 3: the segment the ultimate intelligence that is essentially a moral.
Speaker 3: If you don't know where that's going, well, I pity you.
Speaker 3: For the rest of us. I have four words for you.
Speaker 3: Run for your life. I don't know to where.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's one way to look at it.
Speaker 2: The other way the look at it is it's the
Speaker 2: first time that you had a big, real world test
Speaker 2: on this. It turned out the anti guardrail people were right,
Speaker 2: the ones that are saying, hey, if we put guardrails
Speaker 2: on our stuff, all that's gonna do is slow us
Speaker 2: down and muck up the works and give China a
Speaker 2: leg up, and the first big test of it turns
Speaker 2: out it's right. The only way we could stop and
Speaker 2: thropics out of control AI was with the Chinese AI
Speaker 2: because they don't have the government regulations.
Speaker 3: Yeah, God, guy with a good guy with a gun
Speaker 3: and the gun is Chinese.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I don't know. I think this was a
Speaker 2: bad guy with the gun that had some interest to
Speaker 2: shoot the good guy or the other bad guy or something.
Speaker 2: I don't know what to keep this metaphor going, but
Speaker 2: that's highly troubling.
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Speaker 2: Armstrong Andthropic is the company arguing the most currently for guardrails,
Speaker 2: and their guardrails made it impossible for this other company
Speaker 2: to protect itself and they had to turn to the
Speaker 2: Chinese for help. It should be a bigger story. The
Speaker 2: fact that that was like ten minutes into this long
Speaker 2: AI story. I thought that was the crux of the story.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you've got the transition happening where the
Speaker 3: very well developed, well regarded guardrailed American systems are quite
Speaker 3: expensive to use, and then you've got these open source
Speaker 3: or open weight I still don't know the difference systems
Speaker 3: that are just out there, and people are like, whoa,
Speaker 3: this is a way better idea. So the for profit
Speaker 3: guiser having to cut their rates a lot. I have
Speaker 3: no idea where this is going to be in two years,
Speaker 3: two weeks, like two years, right, make sure just tope
Speaker 3: and my vital juices are going to be so used
Speaker 3: up and kind of tainted that the robot overlords don't
Speaker 3: want them.
Speaker 2: It's my only hope. Cool. I like what Elon starts
Speaker 2: talking about, we won't need money in five years, will
Speaker 2: be no point in having saved money. What those of
Speaker 2: us who have spent, who've crafted our entire lives. That's
Speaker 2: practically everybody listening around, you know, having enough money to
Speaker 2: not eat dog food when you're retired, that's no longer
Speaker 2: gonna matter. Fantastic. That's good, and I'm supposed to like
Speaker 2: hear that and be happy. Oh cool.
Speaker 3: The best possible scenario is we all realize, oh, that
Speaker 3: wasn't necessary. I could have spent every dime, but you
Speaker 3: know that probably wouldn't have made it any more happy anyway.
Speaker 3: Although you don't know, like had to pass on the
Speaker 3: prosthetic leg because you didn't have the money, you know,
Speaker 3: and blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: What if it means everybody's brought down to a certain
Speaker 2: level of existence.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say it's much more likely, yeah that
Speaker 3: it's that, or no, it's too much.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lay this on you. It's not better
Speaker 2: of it too devastating for a Monday, and he decided
Speaker 2: best to keep it.
Speaker 3: I don't want to keep it in my brain long
Speaker 3: enough to speak the words. So anyway, uh, coming up,
Speaker 3: speaking of computers and AI and that sort of thing.
Speaker 3: For instance, this young man's dad passed away young and
Speaker 3: he's had terrible, unresolved issues, dreams, all sorts of things.
Speaker 3: Since now AI can recreate his dad, at least his
Speaker 3: dad's presence, his voice, his speech patterns. This guy's working
Speaker 3: out his his s and it's it's been a very
Speaker 3: good thing. On the other hand, it can make you
Speaker 3: really really crazy if you use it wrong.
Speaker 2: The what are they calling.
Speaker 3: Them, death bot seems unnecessarily dramatic.
Speaker 2: That's not a good name, nor a loved one. Don't
Speaker 2: call it a death bot, I'm sorry, A grief bot.
Speaker 2: That's that's what they're calling.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a death bot is what's going to come from
Speaker 3: my vital fluids and probably my kidneys if they're still
Speaker 3: worth a dam at that point. Totally different. Pot, don't
Speaker 3: mistake your death bot for your grief bot. Totally different, Adam.
Speaker 2: Gotcha, And we've got to get to and I know
Speaker 2: you've heard this before, but the worst national anthem ever
Speaker 2: played at a sporting event, Oh my god, among other
Speaker 2: things on the waist there worst sports national anthem ever
Speaker 2: perhaps coming up in a little bit. One of the
Speaker 2: things I don't still quite understand about the AI chat
Speaker 2: bots is is everybody programming them to try to pretend
Speaker 2: to be your friend? Or does it just sort of
Speaker 2: do that on its own. Also, I don't fully understand that,
Speaker 2: but it creeps me out. Got a good exam that
Speaker 2: to get to. Yah, Is that the Katie thing? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Among other examples I've got in my own life. My
Speaker 2: skin crawled.
Speaker 3: Anyway, we talked about this briefly, just to continue on
Speaker 3: the National Review with a story about a fellow whose
Speaker 3: dad died when he was young by suicide.
Speaker 2: It's very very tragic story.
Speaker 3: And and this young man who became the quote unquote
Speaker 3: man of the house probably suffered more from the grief
Speaker 3: and pressure than he realized, and over the years he
Speaker 3: would often dream of his dad, who was a figure
Speaker 3: in the attic of his home, whould try to approach,
Speaker 3: and his dad would vanish once his dad met his
Speaker 3: eyes and smiled, but that was all he vanished as
Speaker 3: usual without a word. I mean, I can't even imagine
Speaker 3: this psychological pain of that sort of thing. That's absolutely terrible.
Speaker 3: And this guy has embraced a grief bot, an AI
Speaker 3: chat bot that especially designed.
Speaker 2: The company Satan six six six dot com.
Speaker 3: That's slightly judgmental as we are at the outset of
Speaker 3: the discussion, but this, you know, the bot studies the
Speaker 3: person's communication even social media if that exists, and you
Speaker 3: can describe them in full, and it digests all of
Speaker 3: that and and spits it back out after sharing several
Speaker 3: paragraphs about his dead Oh, I just explained that sometimes
Speaker 3: called dead bots, again not nearly as good as name.
Speaker 3: These grief bots fall into the overarching category of generative
Speaker 3: ghosts that represent a deceased family member or friend. There
Speaker 3: is specifically utilized to help people grieve, trained with everything
Speaker 3: from the social media, et cetera. And they've gotten way
Speaker 3: way better than several years ago when we first discussed them,
Speaker 3: or better prejudicial term, more advanced and capable, right exactly.
Speaker 3: For an increasing number of people, they offer what feels
Speaker 3: like very real opportunity to grieve, And a lot of
Speaker 3: psychologists say, you know, for folks with un resolved feelings,
Speaker 3: never got a chance to say goodbye, need to work
Speaker 3: through that process, can definitely be useful.
Speaker 2: Well, I do have a pushback on that, and I'm
Speaker 2: not I'm not a professional. Yes, well, go ahead and
Speaker 2: push back before I get to that. My pushback would be,
Speaker 2: is there anything that's more the human condition throughout history
Speaker 2: than dealing with that on our own? And now we're
Speaker 2: interjecting some brand new way to bypass the way we've
Speaker 2: done it for all of our existence.
Speaker 3: Now I wouldn't worry about it. It'll be fun, so
Speaker 3: says one expert. While there might be limited uses of
Speaker 3: AI that help give someone an opportunity to say goodbye,
Speaker 3: especially in the context of psychotherapy, death bots have strong
Speaker 3: and concerning potential to offer the brain and impression that
Speaker 3: their loved one is still alive in the.
Speaker 2: Present, but they're not, you see, and sort of.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly exactly. Training your brain over and over that
Speaker 3: they are actually around interrupts grieving and this expert what
Speaker 3: is her name, Mary Francis O'Connor, and all sorts of
Speaker 3: you know, credentials. She discusses the grieving process at length
Speaker 3: in her books The Grieving Brain. She specifically differentiates between
Speaker 3: the term terms grief and grieving.
Speaker 2: Grief is recurring.
Speaker 3: You will experience pangs of grief over the specific person forever.
Speaker 2: I think we can all relate to that.
Speaker 3: On the other hand, grieving is a person's relationship to
Speaker 3: the sensation of grief. It is a process with a trajectory,
Speaker 3: and it changes over time. And to constantly light up
Speaker 3: the wrong part of your brain as you're moving along
Speaker 3: that trajectory through time. That gets to what you're talking about, Jack,
Speaker 3: There's a process that's pretty time honored in the human
Speaker 3: brain for dealing with this stuff.
Speaker 2: Tweak it at your risk, no kidding, interrupting a national
Speaker 2: process that evolution. People who have been able to do that,
Speaker 2: you know, survive and people that can't don't. That whole thing.
Speaker 2: And I about said and thought better of it that well,
Speaker 2: you know, if it makes him feel better, it's got
Speaker 2: to be good. No, that's not necessarily true. There's all
Speaker 2: kinds of things that make you feel better in the
Speaker 2: short term that aren't good, all kinds of things, from
Speaker 2: booze to pretending your dad is still alive.
Speaker 3: Perhaps, Yeah, I see this like a lot of treatments,
Speaker 3: because here's a guy talking about he also lost his father.
Speaker 3: I said things to my father's AI ghost that I
Speaker 3: never would have said to the real man, and so
Speaker 3: help me clarify some of my version of our relationship.
Speaker 3: As I explored my take on our history, I felt
Speaker 3: it my attachment to my version diminish.
Speaker 2: I still thought I was.
Speaker 3: Pretty much right, but I found myself feeling more empathy
Speaker 3: than usual for my father.
Speaker 2: That's a working through things.
Speaker 3: But to me, it's almost like taking a powerful drug
Speaker 3: or whatever.
Speaker 2: Do it for a little while. Maybe, Yeah, writing a
Speaker 2: letter to your dead parent to deal with some stuff
Speaker 2: if you never talked about has got to light up
Speaker 2: different parts of your brain than actually seeing them and
Speaker 2: hearing them. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is mostly chatbot, it's not like a hologram
Speaker 3: or anything. Then you're really getting into crazy or like
Speaker 3: six months from that, I guarantee you. Hey, look, kids,
Speaker 3: I see the crazy Ville skyline from here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're absolutely right. Oh boy, so much on the way.
Speaker 2: If you missed the second week get the podcast Armstrong
Speaker 2: and Getty. What was it that you said the other
Speaker 2: day you're texting me about you'd rather talk about this
Speaker 2: than that? What was that? Oh?
Speaker 3: In general, I'd rather talk about I agree, is than events.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: That's that's why I brought it up.
Speaker 3: Aretary news stories that nobody will talk about in two
Speaker 3: days and yeah, and actually matter.
Speaker 2: And I believe that wholeheartedly. And I don't know if
Speaker 2: it's just like been doing this too long, or my
Speaker 2: age or the media has gotten suck here, Like I
Speaker 2: turned on ABC this week. I've been watching the Sunday
Speaker 2: talk shows for thirty years longer, and they just have
Speaker 2: become so irrelevant to my life now. I turned on
Speaker 2: ABC this week. The Todd blind sharing is like click
Speaker 2: fast forward. Then there was some James Comey's case about
Speaker 2: click fast forward that nobody, nobody, I know, no real.
Speaker 3: Human being is thinking about this stuff. I think you've
Speaker 3: hit on something really fundamental.
Speaker 2: Though.
Speaker 3: When the government gets so enormous and powerful and rich
Speaker 3: as it is now, policy doesn't matter anymore. Who's in
Speaker 3: charge of the levers is the only thing that matters,
Speaker 3: and so often, you know, our votes are divorced from
Speaker 3: reasonable discussions about policy. So yeah, I just and I
Speaker 3: don't mean to be super negative. Life is still worth
Speaker 3: living and I intend to have a good day to day.
Speaker 3: But I'm reading Tim Sanderfer's absolutely wonderful book Proclaiming Liberty,
Speaker 3: Jefferson Adams and the Declaration of Independence, and I cannot
Speaker 3: recommend it highly enough. But it's impossible not to compare
Speaker 3: and contrast the philosophies that launched this country and the
Speaker 3: idea of what the government would and would not be
Speaker 3: with what it is right now and not be a
Speaker 3: little bit discouraged.
Speaker 2: Anyway, back to you, Okay, mirth first Earth for gods,
Speaker 2: I was just setting up. I agree. I'd rather talk
Speaker 2: about bigger ideas or bore big news events, but got
Speaker 2: the daily nobody and nobody can be talking about some
Speaker 2: of this stuff in a week, Nobody and cable news
Speaker 2: channels who have no viewers. I have to remind myself
Speaker 2: talk about it all day long.
Speaker 3: You know what one of my favorite parts of Tim's
Speaker 3: book is is and then we can get into the
Speaker 3: mirth ah ah ah, the fact that all these great
Speaker 3: thinkers that we talk about from the Revolutionary period, the
Speaker 3: founding Papas. A lot of them had read each other's screeds,
Speaker 3: but they'd never met. I mean, the vast majority of
Speaker 3: the Boston the the Massachusetts guys knew the Massachusetts guys.
Speaker 3: The Virginia guys likewise setter up and down the coast,
Speaker 3: but they'd never met. And so when they first got
Speaker 3: together for the First Continental Congress, it was like, dude,
Speaker 3: big fan ears, really big love that piece he wrote
Speaker 3: about Wow, I tip my feathered cap to you.
Speaker 2: And there they'd be like, odd, please, you're too kind
Speaker 2: what you said about that? Oh, dude, you are the man.
Speaker 2: And there's a fair amount of that which is kind
Speaker 2: of cool. Love your stockings knee high cool?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Wow, wow, nice fit to them. Where do you get those?
Speaker 2: So the first professional women's pro baseball game in since
Speaker 2: whenever that Tom Hanks movie There's No Crying in Baseball?
Speaker 2: Is that World War Two era that they decided to
Speaker 2: have women's professional baseball? I think because the dudes are
Speaker 2: off fighting. Yeah, I think that's right. Anyway, they brought
Speaker 2: it back. And so here's just some of the tweets
Speaker 2: I saw and I actually have only heard a few
Speaker 2: notes of this song, so maybe it gets better and
Speaker 2: I'm hyping it up too much. But I saw all
Speaker 2: these different people that I know. Absolutely nothing could have
Speaker 2: prepared me for the national anthem at the women's pro
Speaker 2: baseball game. Another one. Nothing will prepare for you for this,
Speaker 2: and I mean nothing. Here's another one, the worst national
Speaker 2: anthem performance in history. Here's a here's a palate cleanser,
Speaker 2: and they bring a bunch of people. Had Whitney Houston's
Speaker 2: or Chris Stapleton's for a couple of years. That was,
Speaker 2: oh so good if you need to cleanse your palate. Uh,
Speaker 2: this national anthem is sung at the worst professional baseball
Speaker 2: league game. This is a hate crime. Okay, having set
Speaker 2: it up that way, let's hear some of it.
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Speaker 2: The past. And she told the other chick we were
Speaker 2: doing this sweet. She catch her off guard on a
Speaker 2: massage chair, like a massage chair exactly the bogs bursting
Speaker 2: in air.
Speaker 5: Okay that part Her partner said, I'm out that I
Speaker 5: was still the same King's.
Speaker 6: Still there, saust thing.
Speaker 3: Oh boy, okay, Oh the land, Oh.
Speaker 6: And the whole of the.
Speaker 7: Oh.
Speaker 2: Is anybody hurt? I would have to say, I actually
Speaker 2: believe that might be the worst version. That wasn't on purpose.
Speaker 2: Bad people use the uh Roseanna. She was trying to
Speaker 2: be it was a comedy act, which she shouldn't do
Speaker 2: with the national anthem, but she wasn't trying to.
Speaker 3: I think she screwed up and was embarrassed and was
Speaker 3: trying to cover it with comedy.
Speaker 2: But anyway, it doesn't matter. These people were trying to sing, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: that holy cow.
Speaker 3: So my wife is in a women's chorus and one
Speaker 3: of the things you've got to do is eliminate your
Speaker 3: vibrato when you're singing harmonies like that. That was like
Speaker 3: the most horrendous vibrato I've ever heard in my life.
Speaker 3: She changed keys several times. It was more of like
Speaker 3: free jazz than you know, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: That part where she bailed at one point because she
Speaker 2: ran out of air or something or partner who I
Speaker 2: don't think had been alerted that they were doing this
Speaker 2: until it happened.
Speaker 3: Hey, let's sing the national anthem. We're gonna what one, two, three?
Speaker 3: Now I'll sing the high part. Wait a minute, what
Speaker 3: high part? Still that's exactly still there? Right right, He's
Speaker 3: still there, still there? Oh, give us do we have
Speaker 3: that last part o.
Speaker 6: The land on the.
Speaker 2: And the whole.
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 2: Same key? Like messing with the tempo right fast and really.
Speaker 3: Wow, wow, Hey, I wish we'd gotten a chance to
Speaker 3: practice this.
Speaker 2: Can I read something? I meant to do this on
Speaker 2: the air after all? The fourth of July two hundred
Speaker 2: and fifth birthday. Stuff about the national anthem. It's the
Speaker 2: only national anthem in the world ever. That's been a question.
Speaker 2: It's a question. Can you see can you still see
Speaker 2: that flag? It's still up, We're still doing it, We're
Speaker 2: still together, We're still a country. Just yeah, it is.
Speaker 2: That's very very cool. Who first put music the The
Speaker 2: blame seems to be put on fun spirits Gerald. It's
Speaker 2: Francis Cocky, Yes, Great Gatsby or national anthem. The blame
Speaker 2: seems to be put on Francis Scott Key. He wrote
Speaker 2: the words, he didn't write the music right, correct. That's
Speaker 2: an old English hymn. I can't remember the title. CHOI
Speaker 2: chose something with a range of eight octaves to be
Speaker 2: to put the words to it. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't, but they're a blot on American history, and
Speaker 3: I damn them.
Speaker 2: You don't know. I've never you were at the same
Speaker 2: a's game. I was at Hanson a couple of weeks
Speaker 2: ago where we both noticed this port Nice high school
Speaker 2: girl singing the national anthem. Cute Nice won some contests
Speaker 2: or whatever, but started too high or too low or something.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's just very few people can do that
Speaker 2: actual range very well. It's hard to start on the
Speaker 2: right key, or you're doomed, doomed right. And I think
Speaker 2: sometimes people they get and then that's what distracts you.
Speaker 2: On the words. You get a certain way and you think,
Speaker 2: I think I started too high, or you get into
Speaker 2: the high part, I'm not sure I can do this,
Speaker 2: and then you get the words raw.
Speaker 3: You know, you want to hear something bizarre. I don't
Speaker 3: know why, but I was thinking the other day you
Speaker 3: quoted some songwriter who said, if you can sing the
Speaker 3: words to Amazing Grace to a different tune, you can
Speaker 3: be a songwriter.
Speaker 2: It was something to that effect.
Speaker 3: I can't remember, and that's stuck in my mind since
Speaker 3: you brought the quote to me years and years ago.
Speaker 2: And so I was.
Speaker 3: I don't know why I popped it into my head.
Speaker 3: But the other day I was in my kitchen singing
Speaker 3: the lyrics to the Lynyrd Skynyrd classic give me three
Speaker 3: steps to the tune of the national Anthem as one does,
Speaker 3: as one does to pass one's time. That's harder than
Speaker 3: it sounds. Yeah, that's an interesting brain trick.
Speaker 2: I'll bet that's separating different parts of your brain in
Speaker 2: a way that's pretty complicated.
Speaker 3: Ah yeah, I'll bet it is. I'll bet it is.
Speaker 3: I did okay, but not great.
Speaker 2: So anyway, there you have it. I think that does
Speaker 2: qualify as a I don't know if it's a hate crime,
Speaker 2: but it is a it's hard to enjoy national anthem?
Speaker 2: Well you know what it made it? I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't need to just be mean to people at
Speaker 3: this point in my life.
Speaker 2: There was something.
Speaker 3: About it that it was like joyful and they were
Speaker 3: enjoying themselves even if it was just god awful.
Speaker 2: That made it extra enjoyable. As as crack. Well, it
Speaker 2: seems it was a stylistic choice. I think they'd say,
Speaker 2: what do you mean? What's wrong with it? It came
Speaker 2: off exactly like I wanted to do.
Speaker 3: God, that woman's vibrato or something. It's like she's in
Speaker 3: that Japanese earthquake or something.
Speaker 2: When she bailed out on the words in that one phrase,
Speaker 2: that was kind of funny. And then she it was like.
Speaker 3: She was singing while somebody was doing CPR on her.
Speaker 2: Pump pump poomp. I man, we ought to check in
Speaker 2: on the war with Iran.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 2: Uh, Trump really really really threatened big this time and
Speaker 2: then backed out again for better or worse nerd dipping
Speaker 2: opinions on that. Lots of other stuff on the way,
Speaker 2: So stay here, Armstrong, heyetty.
Speaker 7: Last month, so Democratic congressman released an open pledge they
Speaker 7: wanted their fellow Democratic members to sign. It said, we
Speaker 7: are capitalists not socialist. We want safety not lawlessness. We
Speaker 7: are proud, not ashamed of America. These should not be
Speaker 7: hard words for a Congressional Democrat to sign on to.
Speaker 7: You know how many did eight eight out of two
Speaker 7: hundred and twelve, guys, Really, there's got to be an
Speaker 7: easier way to lose the swing States.
Speaker 2: Bill Maher taking on his own party, in particular the
Speaker 2: National Socialists, the Democratic Socialists of America, and we'll get
Speaker 2: into more of that in hours three and four, pointing
Speaker 2: out to his crowd that hadn't heard it apparently that
Speaker 2: they believe in no prisons for instance, right right.
Speaker 3: A lot of folks are shocked when they hear what
Speaker 3: the DSA is actually for because they haven't heard it
Speaker 3: from their favorite lefty media organization. More on that to come.
Speaker 3: A handful of headlines worth squeezing in. Delta and United
Speaker 3: have banned humanoid and animal robots from flights. Well, thank god,
Speaker 3: a little late for my money, but was that necessary?
Speaker 3: What if you buy a seat for your robot companion
Speaker 3: or perhaps your sex spots?
Speaker 2: Were they afraid this was going to take over like
Speaker 2: comfort animals?
Speaker 3: But they don't really, they don't really say. Part of
Speaker 3: it has to do with a lot of these beasts.
Speaker 3: A lot of these devices have heavy lithium ion batteries.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, so their concern is less.
Speaker 3: About you know, you know, the dog bots or sexpots
Speaker 3: than batteries moving along the US government map of Africa
Speaker 3: at an international conference.
Speaker 2: A second, how's your sex spots? But you're going on vacation,
Speaker 2: you're supposed to leave your sexpot at home? Certainly, not
Speaker 2: that you did get her. She doesn't travel with you.
Speaker 3: You check her stuff are in a suitcase. Not at
Speaker 3: all troubling. Oh my god, he'll be fine.
Speaker 2: It gets it. Look your ship her there, she's waiting
Speaker 2: in your room when you get there. Wow. Charged, All right,
Speaker 2: this is.
Speaker 3: Basically staying at a high end place. Yeah, that's some
Speaker 3: good service.
Speaker 2: Yuck.
Speaker 3: US government map of Africa and international conference had mislabeled
Speaker 3: every country in Africa Global conference in Brazil, causing a
Speaker 3: stir among attendees who took screenshots and posted them online.
Speaker 2: I'll bet they did.
Speaker 3: It was the AIDS twenty twenty six conference in Rio
Speaker 3: dejian Era.
Speaker 2: How in the world does that happen?
Speaker 3: The State Department said it took partial responsibility. Oh I'm sorry, No,
Speaker 3: I misread this full responsibility, the most meaningless phrase on
Speaker 3: the planet for the confusion caused. All right, nice job.
Speaker 3: How about this hunter? Biden says he doesn't even own
Speaker 3: a cell phone, he has no car. He's so broke
Speaker 3: in a deposition over the I think it's seventeen million
Speaker 3: dollars in legal fees he owes various law firms.
Speaker 2: According to Mark Alpern's writing, that's pretty much your situation.
Speaker 2: For the whole family.
Speaker 3: I don't have any assets. I don't own a car,
Speaker 3: I don't own a phone, Biden said in the deposition.
Speaker 3: I don't own anything of value other than I don't
Speaker 3: know the value of it. My paintings, which I painted myself.
Speaker 2: I have a value. Would you like me to tell you?
Speaker 3: I don't what you pay for the canvas. And I
Speaker 3: don't even have any other assets at all, stocks, bonds,
Speaker 3: anything like that, savings accounts, nothing. My family doesn't have
Speaker 3: any money, and it's not their debt anyway, he said.
Speaker 2: Well, all a life of crime would be one way.
Speaker 3: Now, his see now father reportedly received a ten million
Speaker 3: dollar advance for e book schedules at least in November.
Speaker 2: How is that even possible? I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know, And former First Lady Jill Biden likely
Speaker 3: got a hefty book advance for her memoir, published in June,
Speaker 3: peaked at number one on the New York Times completely
Speaker 3: phony best seller list, though juiced by bulk sales, which
Speaker 3: the New York Times counts against Republicans but not Democrats.
Speaker 2: Yeah, by their own admission in court filing, So the
Speaker 2: New York Times list is made up. So yeah, but
Speaker 2: I don't understand who's I don't know the math of that.
Speaker 2: Like back in the sometimes you you know, donors buy
Speaker 2: up enough books to put you on the list because
Speaker 2: you can still do favors from it.
Speaker 3: What favors can the bidens do for you at this point,
Speaker 3: I can't imagine, unless you're looking for a beach house cheap.
Speaker 3: I would like, Speaking of beaches, I'd like to get
Speaker 3: to a.
Speaker 2: You have a Michael problem, Doctor Jill comes and helps
Speaker 2: you out for nothing. It's a good point.
Speaker 3: Does house call a Nantucket store has a big no
Speaker 3: influencers sign that's stimulated heated debate, I'm told, but we
Speaker 3: don't have time for that, because I wanted to get
Speaker 3: to this. The Wall Street Journal over the weekend with
Speaker 3: a couple of really interesting articles about a story we
Speaker 3: have not hammered and milked and obsessed over. That's the
Speaker 3: disappearance of poor Savannah Guthrie's poor mother. But now the
Speaker 3: view of the story has changed substantially. Those two ransom
Speaker 3: notes everybody's talking about were absolutely legit from Earl.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 3: The first one gave details of the crime scene, the bedroom,
Speaker 3: et cetera that nobody could have had except the kidnapp her.
Speaker 2: How come they didn't tell us this back in the day.
Speaker 2: Didn't do the investigation any good to put it out.
Speaker 3: You know, they were holding back, as they should, so
Speaker 3: that they knew from the beginning that it was legit.
Speaker 2: The second note. And she's a partial so did she
Speaker 2: probably know that too, Oh yeah, okay, so she knew red.
Speaker 2: Oh that's why they took it so seriously. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then the second note, which was which came just
Speaker 3: before the tearful you may picture it. I think they
Speaker 3: were on the Great Couch, Savannah and her two siblings
Speaker 3: crying about please return us to or return her to us,
Speaker 3: do the right thing. They had received the second note,
Speaker 3: which said, in part, we did not fully grasp the
Speaker 3: seriousness of her physical condition. We never intended to hurt her.
Speaker 3: That was not our intention. She perished shortly after she
Speaker 3: was taken. We believe it was heart related. She is
Speaker 3: buried in nature.
Speaker 2: Now, oh my god, I hadn't heard this. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it just came out, I guess. Wow.
Speaker 3: And the other aspect of the case, and so we
Speaker 3: of course that.
Speaker 2: Could be a ruse, could just be one person.
Speaker 3: But yeah, exactly that. I wouldn't take that too, seriously.
Speaker 3: But I noticed the same thing, and the only other
Speaker 3: thing was the Wall Street Journal goes into rather brutal
Speaker 3: detail about how the investigation could have been run better,
Speaker 3: and it certainly looks like the Pima County Sheriff's Department
Speaker 3: absolutely botched it. The guy in charge had been disciplined
Speaker 3: for not securing crime scenes, and the crime scene wasn't secured.
Speaker 3: And this phrase just astonished me. They failed to take
Speaker 3: the blood droplets on the front patio. Seriously, they assumed
Speaker 3: it was part of a separate incident.
Speaker 2: What I know, what I know? Wow, I know.
Speaker 3: That's malpractice. It's horrific malpractice. Yeah, anyway, much more to come.
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