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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, Radio News.

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Speaker 2: Hi everyone, and welcome to the Deal. I'm your host,

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Speaker 2: Jason Kelly here with Alex Rodriguez.

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Speaker 3: Well sort of here.

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Speaker 2: We're going to get to an interview with your good

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Speaker 2: buddy Alex Kevin Burkhardt, your partner at Fox Sports. That's

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Speaker 2: coming up later in the episode, but first our listeners

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Speaker 2: are going to be so excited. One of the things

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Speaker 2: we love about this format that we're doing is it's

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Speaker 2: wherever we are at any given moment. I happen to

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Speaker 2: be in New York, You're in Paris, and you are,

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Speaker 2: at least based on Instagram, having the time of your

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Speaker 2: life seeing everybody who seems to be there. I've got

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Speaker 2: a lot of fomo. So I want to talk to

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Speaker 2: you about it before we get to KB. I mean,

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Speaker 2: tell me what it's like on the ground. It it

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Speaker 2: feels like as the kids would say, it feels like

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Speaker 2: a vibe.

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Speaker 4: Jason, you would have loved it. I thought about you

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Speaker 4: a lot if you think about Paris. Look, he needed

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Speaker 4: a big comeback. Let's be clear, Brazil was a little

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Speaker 4: bit of a flop. Japan obviously you have the building

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Speaker 4: excuse with COVID in twenty twenty. But this is a

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Speaker 4: perfect storm and you need a big numbers and his

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Speaker 4: hats delivered an enormous, enormous way.

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Speaker 5: But just walking.

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Speaker 4: Around even last night, Jason in Paris, what a perfect canvas.

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Speaker 4: I mean, on one end you have it anchored by

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Speaker 4: the Eiffel Tower. The other one you have the love.

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Speaker 4: You have all the arches, the shopping entertainment district and

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Speaker 4: his high fashion capital of the world right and then

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Speaker 5: It was just it was awesome.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean money and sports colliding in a really

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Speaker 2: massive way. As you say, all the luxury brands are

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Speaker 2: very much on display. The city has put on quite

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Speaker 2: a show by all accounts, and I don't want to

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Speaker 2: get too far past your point and really underscore it.

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Speaker 2: The Olympics needed this. It was really on the downslope.

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Speaker 2: I think people are now looking ahead to La and

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Speaker 2: I think you would agree LA's got some big shoes

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Speaker 2: to fill coming off of Paris.

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Speaker 5: In Paris to me is one of the big winners here.

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Speaker 4: I mean, they did an outstanding job of being gracious

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Speaker 4: hostess all the French people. They made you feel at home.

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Speaker 4: If you look at some of the revenue numbers, one

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Speaker 4: point two billion for Comcast and Peacock, who absolutely crushed it.

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Speaker 4: And you have forty one million people watching the opening

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Speaker 4: night where Lebron had the big flag, the US flag.

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Speaker 4: Look in a time where the world is so divided,

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Speaker 4: our country so divided, you can actually have a flag

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Speaker 4: and be non controversial, which is really nice by people

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Speaker 4: around the world were very respectful to each other.

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Speaker 5: And that's the special place that we have in sports.

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Speaker 4: That's why we do our podcast because we do like

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Speaker 4: to educate, share our experiences, but also bring people together.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I'm really glad you said that. As you say,

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Speaker 2: you know, sports is this commonality, and it's fascinating to

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Speaker 2: me to look at those numbers that you mentioned, the

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Speaker 2: viewership numbers. I have to think as someone who is

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Speaker 2: an owner of a couple of basketball teams, it's very

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Speaker 2: reinforcing to you to see live sports still rates. I mean,

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Speaker 2: people have been tuning in at work, they've been tuning

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Speaker 2: you know, the afternoon, like you walk around I won't

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Speaker 2: say Bloomberg, but you walk around another office and you

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Speaker 2: see people like they're watching the Olympics and then they're

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Speaker 2: watching it again at night. So the pull of live

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Speaker 2: people watching. So I want to ask you what did

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Speaker 2: you watch? What have you been to Sea? I know

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Speaker 2: you've seen you know, some of the players who play

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Speaker 4: I mean, the big time game was Frans beating Canada

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Speaker 4: four games in one venue and you clear out and

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Speaker 4: you come back in and you know what, Jason just

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Speaker 4: pivoting to US basketball.

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Speaker 5: This is probably the best.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great moment for the business of basketball,

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Speaker 2: it seems because to your point, I'm glad we're talking

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Speaker 2: you know, rivalries that you normally only see in the

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Speaker 2: NBA season on the world's biggest stage. And that is

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Speaker 2: just a testament to how fast this game is growing,

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Speaker 2: owing to the efforts of Adam Silver and others who

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Speaker 2: see this global growth as the real future of the NBA.

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Speaker 4: You know, I had a chance to see three of

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Speaker 5: But there's a look in their face.

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Speaker 4: That usually you only get to see either in the

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Speaker 4: there is an important there's a pride, there's an electricity

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Speaker 2: I mean, obviously you're there in a number of different

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Speaker 2: I mean, does it feel like deals are getting done

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Speaker 4: Absolutely everybody's there. I mean, you name it, they're there. Obviously,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they've had an incredible quarter.

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Speaker 4: The word on the street was how heavy handed Nike was.

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Speaker 4: they're at an inflection point right They're now into their

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Speaker 4: But the silver lining for them is they made a big,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure, Like as an athlete, you're like so

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Speaker 2: jazzed up seeing these people at their absolute peak and

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Speaker 2: relating to that. But as a business person, what are

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Speaker 2: I are going to be talking about when you get

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Speaker 3: Who are the people?

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Speaker 2: What are the interesting trends that you're seeing that we

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Speaker 4: I think that sports is here to stay if you

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Speaker 4: think about adjacent sports and live sports is the only

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Speaker 4: thing that alter human behavior as far as scheduling. People

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Speaker 4: There's no other thing that does that besides live music

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Speaker 2: All Right, has there been a surprising sport that you watch?

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Speaker 2: You're like, I hadn't really seen this before, but just

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Speaker 4: The most impressive venue for me was beach volleyball, which

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Speaker 5: I thought the three on three is.

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Speaker 4: A pretty cool concept because it's a little bit like

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Speaker 4: interesting to me. Jason, the biggest loss opportunity was Major

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Speaker 5: And if you think about it, what a great.

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Speaker 4: Time in twenty four and twenty eight Paris in La

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Speaker 5: Maybe you shorten the season to one hundred and ten games.

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Speaker 4: You take a page out of the WNBA, have your

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Speaker 4: US Olympic team go up against the rest of the

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Speaker 5: And then if you fast forward to La do it again.

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Speaker 4: Let's see how the season looks for one hundred and

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Speaker 4: ten games, make it four months, prolong the postseason from

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Speaker 4: one month to two much like the NBA, and give

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Speaker 4: it a rip and it only happens, you know, once

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Speaker 4: every four years. Imagine a home run derby kind of

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Speaker 4: made me really sad with all these sports that my

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Speaker 2: All right, well, I am so excited for you to

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Speaker 2: come back, tell me more stories.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for taking some time to weigh in on this.

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Speaker 2: It's the perfect segue, especially talking about all this media

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Speaker 2: into our interview with Kevin Burkhart.

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Speaker 5: Thanks partner, you got.

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Speaker 2: It all right, Alex. We've got a special guest this week.

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Speaker 2: You know him very well. It's Kevin Burkhart. He's a

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Speaker 2: sportscaster of course for Fox Sports. It's the lead NFL

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Speaker 2: played by play announcer MLB studio host Kevin. Psyched to

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Speaker 2: have you on the show. How you doing, I'm doing great.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited to be with you guys. Jason, nice to

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Speaker 2: meet you. And yeah, Alex, we've known each other a

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Speaker 2: long time.

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Speaker 5: I do.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's actually crazy.

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Speaker 6: When you think how long we've been together, it feels

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Speaker 1: So I'm just thrilled to be here. Guys.

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Speaker 3: That's where I want to start.

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Speaker 2: Act you went there because I want to ask you,

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Speaker 2: Appreciate that, brother, So how do you develop that skilled Kevin?

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Speaker 3: What do you remember like about that?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it was actually it was an honor

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Speaker 4: So the year before, we had done the World Series

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Speaker 4: great grandkids. If you think about the Gibson home run

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Speaker 2: All right, So Alice teed it up perfectly.

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Speaker 3: He's learning from you, KB. This is great.

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Speaker 2: You know, He's like leading into the next subject seamlessly.

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Speaker 2: come here, Derek, come on, let me tell you. Let

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Speaker 2: me tell you how this goes. So how did you

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Speaker 4: the easiest because you had better stadiums, pitchers through more

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Speaker 4: better control, they were more in the zone. Umpire is

441
00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,520
Speaker 4: called better strikes, but the lights were really a big

442
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Speaker 4: difference to see the ball better. I'm going to ask

443
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Speaker 4: you the same question, like you covered the Mets, you

444
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Speaker 4: covered the Jets. Is it going to Fox or is

445
00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:13,200
Speaker 4: it going from tier two NFL coverage to the top

446
00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,800
Speaker 4: team now? Now with Tom Brady and Greg Olsen in

447
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Speaker 4: the past, what's been the biggest jump and why for you?

448
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a really good question, and I think your

449
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Speaker 6: analogy is similar. Look, I'm not going to say that

450
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Speaker 6: going to Fox on a national gig wasn't a big jump,

451
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Speaker 6: but I think I kind of agree with you.

452
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Speaker 1: And I feel like I was ready for it.

453
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Speaker 6: Like it wasn't like I was going into it and

454
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Speaker 6: nervous or I didn't think I could handle it, you know,

455
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Speaker 6: And I was older. I didn't get a break when

456
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Speaker 6: I was twenty five years old. I mean, I'm fifty

457
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Speaker 6: years old now. This will be what my twelve year

458
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Speaker 6: at Fox. So I was comfortable with who I was

459
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Speaker 6: at that time, and I was not nervous about it.

460
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Speaker 1: At all, even though it was a big career jump obviously.

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Speaker 6: You know, I started out doing high school sports and

462
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Speaker 6: then you know, I was doing minor league baseball Alex

463
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Speaker 6: for you know, twenty five bucks a game, and you're

464
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Speaker 6: going to these random places with ten people in the stands,

465
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Speaker 6: and you know, you're doing a game by yourself, like

466
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Speaker 6: you know, I had a couple of games, like everybody

467
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Speaker 6: in my position that's done this, right, you're doing these

468
00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:06,760
Speaker 6: games by yourself and you've gone extra innings. It's a

469
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Speaker 6: five hour game and you're having Peede in seven hours,

470
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Speaker 6: and you know, you're just you're just trying to survive.

471
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Speaker 1: Man, you know, it's it's crazy. So I think going

472
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Speaker 1: from that, and you know, it wasn't like.

473
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Speaker 6: The next day, but going from that, and then you know,

474
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Speaker 6: kind of jumping into my.

475
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Speaker 1: First foray into New York, which was w CBS radio.

476
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Speaker 6: That was the biggest deal because I went from doing

477
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Speaker 6: minor league baseball that nobody listened to by myself, you know,

478
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Speaker 6: on these random radio stations to w CBSAM in New York,

479
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Speaker 6: which that was a big jump, and that was like,

480
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Speaker 6: oh okay, this is a little different here. But at

481
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Speaker 6: the same time, I always felt like if I could

482
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Speaker 6: handle that, doing five hours of radio by myself, I

483
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Speaker 6: felt like I could handle it. But I think just

484
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Speaker 6: in class, I think that was probably the biggest lead.

485
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Speaker 6: Going from you know, the minor league ball to New

486
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Speaker 6: York is pretty big.

487
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Speaker 2: And so along the way, Kevin like, you're having to

488
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Speaker 2: make decisions about your career, You're having to negotiate. You know,

489
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Speaker 2: this show is called The Deal after all, Like how

490
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Speaker 2: did you handle your various deals? What were the negotiations?

491
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Speaker 2: Like how do you approach that? Because, as Alex likes

492
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Speaker 2: to say on this show, there are a lot of

493
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Speaker 2: people out there listening who are doing whatever. The twenty

494
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Speaker 2: twenty four version of what you did is, you know,

495
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Speaker 2: calling games into their phone or you know, watching the

496
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Speaker 2: sound down as you guys do your thing. How would

497
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Speaker 2: you advise them or what did you learn about sort

498
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Speaker 2: of negotiating for yourself? And what do you remember about

499
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Speaker 2: those talks?

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Speaker 6: The biggest thing about negotiating I actually learned when I

501
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Speaker 6: sold cars.

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Speaker 1: That's why it was the most important thing that I

503
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Speaker 1: ever did.

504
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Speaker 6: Because I like the thing of myself as a pretty

505
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Speaker 6: easygoing guy and I'm usually not a rock the boat

506
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Speaker 6: guy unless I get to the point where I'm really angry,

507
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Speaker 6: which doesn't happen very often. And so I think I

508
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Speaker 6: was apprehensive, maybe even afraid to ask for things that

509
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Speaker 6: I wanted. You know, I was afraid of hearing the

510
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Speaker 6: word no. And when you sold cars, you either asked

511
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Speaker 6: for what you wanted or you didn't eat. That's the

512
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Speaker 6: bottom line, right, And so I got this great lesson,

513
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Speaker 6: you know, when I sold cars from my general manager,

514
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Speaker 6: who became a great friend and a great enabler to

515
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Speaker 6: help me get back in the industry. Actually, he just

516
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 6: was like, listen, you have to go out and find

517
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Speaker 6: out what the customers want, but then ask for what

518
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Speaker 6: you want, otherwise you're not going to get any deals.

519
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Speaker 1: Like that's the way it works.

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Speaker 6: And so I worked on negotiating, and really I just

521
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Speaker 6: worked on asking for you know, what was right. And

522
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Speaker 6: I wasn't the best salesman in the place, but I

523
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Speaker 6: had the top customer service in the place, and I

524
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Speaker 6: learned how to negotiate, and I had never had that

525
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Speaker 6: skill before. And so after that, I just said to myself,

526
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Speaker 6: in this industry, no matter what happens, I'm going to

527
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Speaker 6: ask for what I want and if it don't get it,

528
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Speaker 6: that's fine, But I'm not going to go down and

529
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Speaker 6: be like I regret that I didn't ask for this,

530
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Speaker 6: or regret that I didn't inquire about this.

531
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Speaker 1: And so that's what I did.

532
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Speaker 6: And honestly, when I was trying to get into you know,

533
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Speaker 6: the next step, I called a friend of mine at

534
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Speaker 6: WFIN contact him who actually was a boss at one point,

535
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Speaker 6: Eric Spitz, and he was the program director there at

536
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Speaker 6: the time, and I said, Eric, I think I'm good

537
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Speaker 6: enough to work at a fan like I would love

538
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Speaker 6: to come in in audition for you. And he said, okay,

539
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,919
Speaker 6: how about Friday. And I was like, wow, you know,

540
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Speaker 6: it was really the first time after selling cars that

541
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Speaker 6: I asked for something that I wanted and it was

542
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Speaker 6: just a great lesson. And then I think from then

543
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Speaker 6: it's just, you know, I think there's a fine line,

544
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Speaker 6: especially in this business of not being in pain in

545
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Speaker 6: the butt too, Like you don't want to annoy people,

546
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Speaker 6: you don't want to be that person where you're a diva.

547
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Speaker 6: But I think if you don't have a goal and

548
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Speaker 6: ask for things you want and request things you want,

549
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Speaker 6: well you're never going to get it.

550
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Speaker 1: So that's been my personal life lesson KB.

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Speaker 4: I love that concept about asking for what you want

552
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Speaker 4: a little bit about that process. I mean, what kind

553
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Speaker 4: of metrics are you looking at? Are you looking at? Well,

554
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Speaker 4: the NFL package is one hundred and ten billion over

555
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Speaker 4: eleven years, is it? You're looking at your contemporaries and say, hey,

556
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Speaker 4: I'm just as good as that guy and I make

557
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Speaker 4: similar Walk me a little bit through that process on

558
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Speaker 4: how you talk about it, maybe with your wife, or

559
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Speaker 4: maybe how you talk about it with your agent, or

560
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Speaker 4: at least just internally.

561
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Speaker 1: You know.

562
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Speaker 6: I think there's two things to it. So I certainly

563
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 6: know my worth and I know what my talent is.

564
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Speaker 6: Think you could get in trouble to a degree in

565
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Speaker 6: comparing yourself to others, Like I always felt like, oh

566
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Speaker 6: he's making this and she's making that, and if I'm

567
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 6: making this, I'm pissed off.

568
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Speaker 1: Well, I just don't think that's the way to go.

569
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Speaker 6: I think the difference for me is knowing what my

570
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Speaker 6: value is and knowing what my worth is and conveying that,

571
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Speaker 6: you know, to my agent, and then you know, having

572
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Speaker 6: goals and setting my goals, like you know, I'm also

573
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Speaker 6: a guy that I think there are deals to be

574
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Speaker 6: had right, whether I'm, you know, signing a contract with

575
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Speaker 6: Fox or whether I'm buying a new refrigerator, I feel

576
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Speaker 6: like there's a deal to be had right that probably

577
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Speaker 6: makes both parties happy, and so that is usually my approach.

578
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Speaker 1: Yes, I'll look at others to.

579
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Speaker 6: See the market. I'm not saying that we don't. I'm

580
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Speaker 6: not saying my agent doesn't. But I'm not a guy

581
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Speaker 6: that takes my contract to put sit up against the

582
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Speaker 6: wall against somebody else. I just feel like that's a

583
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Speaker 6: recipe for disaster for me personally.

584
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Speaker 2: Anyway, Let's talk about sort of where we are in

585
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Speaker 2: this landscape. Because you mentioned you're fifty years old, we're

586
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Speaker 2: all about the same age. We have seen one of

587
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Speaker 2: the biggest upheavals in the world of media, certainly in

588
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Speaker 2: our lifetimes. And yet everyone will tell you, whether it's

589
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 2: you know, your boss at Fox, whether it's Jimmy Pataro

590
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 2: at ESPN, whether it's my boss is at Bloomberg Live

591
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Speaker 2: Sports are one of the most valuable assets out there.

592
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Speaker 2: With all this turmoil that has gone on, or at

593
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Speaker 2: least all this change, does it affect how you think

594
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Speaker 2: about doing your job, not even just as it relates

595
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Speaker 2: to contracts, but more does it change the way you

596
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Speaker 2: approach it knowing that the media landscape is so different.

597
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I'm very lucky and fortunate that I'm

598
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Speaker 6: in the live sports space.

599
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 1: I think live sports and live news.

600
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Speaker 6: No matter how much change we are enduring and probably

601
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Speaker 6: will endure for the next you know, two, three, five,

602
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Speaker 6: ten years, I just don't see that changing and so

603
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Speaker 6: I think it's a great space to be. Now that

604
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Speaker 6: being said, I have a lot of friends who are

605
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Speaker 6: on you know, the regional levels, and there's been so

606
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Speaker 6: much upheaval in that time in that space.

607
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Speaker 1: How do you navigate it?

608
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Speaker 6: You know, I've been asked for advice, and honestly, it's

609
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Speaker 6: really hard to give because I feel like every six

610
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 6: months it changes, you know, where friends don't even know

611
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Speaker 6: where the next paycheck's coming from. Is it coming from

612
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Speaker 6: a team, is it coming from a league, is it

613
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Speaker 6: coming from a network, a streamer.

614
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Speaker 1: So I think it's a very rocky time in terms

615
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Speaker 1: of that.

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Speaker 6: I'm fortunate to be on a national level and it's

617
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Speaker 6: a little bit different, and I know I'm fortunate, but

618
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Speaker 6: I do think that just overall, it will settle and

619
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Speaker 6: find itself that I just can't see a way that

620
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Speaker 6: live sports and live news is not the most important thing,

621
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Speaker 6: no matter how much streaming, no matter how much the

622
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Speaker 6: industry changes, whether we're packaging things together, whether we have

623
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Speaker 6: cable or where we cut the cord, those things are

624
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Speaker 6: what people want to watch. There's always going to be

625
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Speaker 6: a demand for it. And just look at the ratings.

626
00:26:58,760 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 6: They tell you that's the case.

627
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 2: Sort of pivoting a little bit to sort of your

628
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 2: day to day. You know, obviously it's baseball season as

629
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 2: we speak, but very soon it will be football season.

630
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 2: It always sneaks up on you. How do you juggle it?

631
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Speaker 2: You know, how do you think about it in your mind?

632
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 2: You've got to be hyper prepared on arguably the two

633
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 2: most popular sports. Alex is involved in one of the

634
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,919
Speaker 2: three most popular as an owner, But like, how do

635
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 2: you juggle that and how do you stay current and

636
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:24,880
Speaker 2: keep your mind right?

637
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Speaker 6: I guess I always look at it, Jason, like a midterm.

638
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 6: You know, I think that the game or the show,

639
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 6: what we're doing is the test. And if you study

640
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 6: for the test, you feel pretty darn good going into it.

641
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 6: It's not going to say it's going to be perfect

642
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 6: and you're going to get one hundred every time, but

643
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 6: you feel good going in and you feel like you

644
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 6: can adapt to things that happen in front of you

645
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 6: because you're prepared. And the simple answer, without breaking down

646
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 6: my exact routine every day is I just read and

647
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 6: watch a lot. I read and watch a lot. I

648
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 6: don't think there's any substitute for that. And then I

649
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 6: take a lot of notes. I have my own database

650
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 6: that I have in my laptop that I take notes

651
00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 6: in there, and I save, and I go back and

652
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 6: reference and my own thoughts in there. That's the most

653
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 6: simplistic way I get answered. I don't know a shortcut.

654
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 6: I just don't know a shortcut. How you can possibly

655
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 6: do this job without being on top of all that,

656
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Speaker 6: you know.

657
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Speaker 4: I think Kevin, our listeners are probably intrigued. I certainly am,

658
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 4: and I know Jason is too. There's so much information.

659
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 4: We're in the generation of, like data crazy, right, It

660
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 4: just comes at you from every angle.

661
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 5: What are some of the.

662
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 4: Publications you read and what do you listen to in

663
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 4: preparation to be up to date?

664
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good question, you know, I think for

665
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: the most part, al. I try to read everything.

666
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 6: You know, there's so much out there, right, so you know,

667
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 6: I'll have my favorites. You know, I really enjoy it.

668
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 6: For sports, I enjoy the athletic a lot. I think

669
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 6: that's a great psyche. They have some in depth articles.

670
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 6: They give you some perspective and human nature a little

671
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 6: bit that's in there, and I really like that. So

672
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 6: I'm not a big stack guy. I like it for

673
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 6: content text, but I'm not in my broadcasting. I'm not

674
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 6: a guy that recites stats off the top of my head.

675
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 6: That I just not the way. It's not how I

676
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 6: believe it should be done. And you know, again, we're

677
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 6: in a stylistic business. Everybody's different. And my brain also

678
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 6: doesn't work like that.

679
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: I have a creative brain, So I am not a

680
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: guy that could see a spreadsheet and go boom.

681
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 6: I'm a guy that give me a blank canvas and

682
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 6: I'll fill it in. So the way I study is

683
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 6: also different. I read everything I can get my hands on,

684
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 6: you know, I watch everything I can get my hands on,

685
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 6: and I try not to get too deep into the

686
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 6: woods of some of the number stuff and getting lost

687
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 6: in there. I'm looking really just for context. Because I

688
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 6: think it's all about this alt and you know you

689
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 6: know this. We sit next to a trail all the time.

690
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 6: But our audience could be a diehard fan who knows

691
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 6: everything about the team for the last forty five years,

692
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 6: a pretty big fan who.

693
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: Watches a lot and knows enough, a casual fan who will.

694
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 6: Flip it on, you know, once every two weeks, or

695
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 6: someone who has never seen a game all year or

696
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 6: in their lifetime. Doing the Super Bowl especially, we have

697
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 6: people who never watch football, So how do you talk

698
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 6: to all of those same people at the same time.

699
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 6: I think that's the key, So finding the information there

700
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 6: and finding the right way to have it presented where

701
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 6: you're not offending the people who are diehards, but also

702
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 6: making it understandable for the people who really don't know

703
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 6: exactly what they're watching.

704
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to do.

705
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 2: That's an interesting segue into a question I know we

706
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 2: both want to ask you, which is about the state

707
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,719
Speaker 2: of baseball, because it feels like the story of baseball

708
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 2: is trending upward right now. Part of it, I think, Alex,

709
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 2: I've talked about this on this show. You've got this

710
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 2: sort of big brand name teams doing well. That always

711
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 2: breeds a certain amount of excitement, you know, when the

712
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 2: Dodgers and the Yankees and others are doing quite well.

713
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 2: It also feels like these rule changes, everybody's like, yeah,

714
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 2: speeding up the game is really smart and even and

715
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 2: Alex and I have talked about this, you know, even

716
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 2: taking my family to a game.

717
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 3: It's so much more enjoyable.

718
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 2: You know, to go down to Yankee Stadium a when

719
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 2: they're winning, but be also when you're not going to

720
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 2: be there.

721
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 3: For four and a half hours.

722
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 2: With apologies to Yankee Stadium, But how does it feel

723
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 2: to you knowing the game as well as you do,

724
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 2: sitting alongside Alex and Big Poppy and Derek and sort

725
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 2: of taking this all in. How does baseball feel to

726
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 2: you right now?

727
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,479
Speaker 6: It feels better. It feels better, no question. I think

728
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 6: a lot of the rules changes that they made were

729
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 6: his success. I mean, I think the game didn't need

730
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 6: to speed up, and I think that it certainly achieved that, right,

731
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 6: And you're right, it does make a difference when you're watching.

732
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 6: I think that I think they've involved the base running

733
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 6: more with what they did to the bases of the

734
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 6: stolen base game going first to third. I think that

735
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 6: part's been great.

736
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 5: Tap it into your creative side.

737
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 4: If you were the commissioner for twenty four hours, what

738
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 4: are be two or three changes that you make to

739
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 4: continue to grow the game?

740
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: Well?

741
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 6: I do think that they have to continue to work

742
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 6: to market people and market players more Alex because, as

743
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 6: you all know, could sit down and you're an owner,

744
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 6: but you could sit down and most people could sit

745
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 6: down and you could present I don't know, let's say

746
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 6: twenty five NBA players in front of them. Let's say

747
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 6: the top twenty five NBA players. You could put them

748
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 6: on a piece of paper and you could take an

749
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 6: average fan and they would name every single one of

750
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 6: them top twenty five NFL players.

751
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: Easy.

752
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 6: Everyone would be able to name them top twenty five

753
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 6: Major League Baseball players. If you did the same thing,

754
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 6: would people be able to name who they are?

755
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 2: Now?

756
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: I'm not sure they would not close. I think that's

757
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:30,719
Speaker 1: something that's got to change.

758
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 6: I think it's got to be more accessible, Like you know,

759
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 6: we're trying, and I know, like you know, we had

760
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 6: the All Star Game a couple of weeks ago, and

761
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 6: you know, Fox is micing all these guys and it's great,

762
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 6: You're getting them to see their personality. But I think

763
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 6: the point is when you watch the NBA Finals and

764
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 6: Jason Tatum is interviewing in the middle of the game,

765
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 6: and baseball has been averse to that, Well, there's the

766
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 6: reason why that's a good thing, because people understand who

767
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 6: these players are, they get to know them, they feel

768
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 6: connected to them, and without that it hurts the game.

769
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 6: So I think you need the connectivity to the game

770
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 6: there for sure. And then I get why we've gotten

771
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 6: to where we've gotten with the lack of action with

772
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 6: the three true outcomes, which is homer, walk, strikeout. I

773
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Speaker 6: understand it's because what the numbers have said and we're

774
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 6: following the math, which I get, But I would find

775
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 6: some way to penalize a.

776
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: Strikeout more than just ins and out.

777
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 6: There needs to be some way, and I'm not sure,

778
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 6: just off the top of my head answering your question

779
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 6: what it would be. But the strikeout has become all

780
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 6: too commonplace. You know when you played, I mean, you've

781
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 6: told me this, you were embarrassed to strikeout. You talk

782
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 6: to all the greats that they were embarrassed to strikeout.

783
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 6: Doesn't matter anymore, And I think we've got to find

784
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 6: a way to make that a penalty to increase contact.

785
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 2: All right, So we do have to talk football for

786
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 2: just a second, in part because this is going to

787
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 2: be a very big fall for us as viewers and

788
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 2: for you in the booth. Working with Tom Brady. It's

789
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 2: probably the most heralded arrival of a commentator that we've

790
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 2: seen in quite some time, you know, not since Alex

791
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 2: Rodriguez took the booth. I mean, have we seen such anticipation.

792
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 2: How do you prep for something like that or is

793
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 2: it just sort of business as usual for you?

794
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 6: I prep like and yeah, I mean it's slightly anticipated,

795
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 6: and you know, it's the greatest football player ever.

796
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,720
Speaker 1: But I prep the same way that I prep with anybody.

797
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: I've had multiple.

798
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Speaker 6: Partners in different sports, and I always feel like it

799
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 6: starts with building trust and building chemistry. So the first

800
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 6: thing that Tom and I did was simply get to

801
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 6: know each other, you know, spend time together, go to

802
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 6: dinner and go golfing, that type of thing, and then

803
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 6: you build it all from there.

804
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: That's where the trust comes from.

805
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 6: And that's also where I understand, like how he works

806
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 6: and how he thinks. That doesn't matter who you are,

807
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,760
Speaker 6: and then you know, Jason, just you know, We've had

808
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 6: you know, a bunch of practices and talks and rehearsals,

809
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 6: and it's just you want to get to the point

810
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 6: where I don't even have to look at him anymore.

811
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: I understand, like exactly where he's going.

812
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 6: Like I've worked with Alex long enough, I know exactly

813
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 6: what he wants to do, and I generally know like

814
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 6: what he feels about something. And that's simply time on

815
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 6: task for the most part, right, And that's my job.

816
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 6: You know, my actual play by play chops are not

817
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 6: going to change. I'm going to call the game the

818
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 6: way I always call the game. Now, it's just incorporating

819
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 6: him the way he's most comfortable.

820
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: And that part changes depending on the analyst.

821
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 6: I've had, you know, different analysts with completely different styles

822
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 6: in my time, even at Fox, and I enjoy that process.

823
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: I like it.

824
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 5: keV.

825
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 4: I'm wondering, you know, you did your first Super Bowl.

826
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 4: You're about to do your second one, this time with

827
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 4: Tom Brady. You were fantastic in the first one.

828
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:25,760
Speaker 1: Thanks man.

829
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 4: I'm wondering how you think about performing and being the

830
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,439
Speaker 4: voice to almost one hundred and fifty million people here.

831
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 4: Do you have to be careful with the temptation of

832
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 4: overloading your preparation versus a first game.

833
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 5: That you're doing early in the season.

834
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:43,919
Speaker 4: What lessons did you learn from the first Super Bowl

835
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,760
Speaker 4: that you're going to take and apply to this Super Bowl.

836
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good question.

837
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 6: So I obviously I had no idea what to expect,

838
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 6: and you know, I talked to a lot of people

839
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 6: getting advice, and I had a good approach. I did

840
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 6: a ton of my prep the week before because it

841
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 6: was a two week break, So the week before I

842
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 6: did a ton of prep as if the game was

843
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 6: on the first Sunday, and I could have done the

844
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 6: game that Sunday, which is what I wanted to do,

845
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 6: because then Monday we leave for the Super Bowl, and

846
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 6: we've got all kinds of commitments and media and different

847
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 6: meetings and different things that go on through the week.

848
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 6: And so I kind of was prepared for that, But

849
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 6: it doesn't really prepare you for it. I imagine it's like,

850
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 6: you know, you prepare, you know, your whole career for

851
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 6: trying to win a World Series, but then when you're

852
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 6: at bat in Game seven, you know, it's still overwhelming, right,

853
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 6: so that week it was just so much.

854
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: I was just anxious to get to the game, you know.

855
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 6: Worried about staying healthy and making sure like I had

856
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 6: my voice, and you know, it's obviously the biggest day

857
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 6: of my career, so you just want to get there.

858
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 6: And then when I woke up Sunday morning, I just

859
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 6: felt normal because I was like, I can do this.

860
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 6: I know how to do games. And it really didn't

861
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 6: bother me Sunday at all. I embraced it, and I

862
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 6: told myself that too. I said, Hey, if you don't

863
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 6: have fun doing this, then you're never going to have fun, right,

864
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 6: this is what you dreamed of as a kid. And

865
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 6: so truly, Sunday I had the best time. So whether

866
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 6: it's two hundred people watching or one hundred and twenty

867
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 6: million people watching, I don't really that part doesn't bother me.

868
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 1: That part's never bothered me.

869
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 6: But until you actually go through it, you just can't

870
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 6: fully comprehend, like how many ways you get pulled that

871
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 6: particular week.

872
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, so it's time for the lightning round.

873
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 2: So this is where Alex Cann to ask you a

874
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 2: number of questions. When to hear your quick response is

875
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 2: just off the top of your head.

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Speaker 3: So are you ready for this?

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Speaker 2: Let's go, Jason, all right, what's the best piece of

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Speaker 2: advice you've ever been given on deal making or business?

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Speaker 6: Just trust yourself, be you, and it'll work itself out.

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Speaker 6: And that kind of lets everybody kind of calm down.

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Speaker 6: And I've gone by that.

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Speaker 5: What's the worst advice you've ever been given.

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Speaker 1: In regards to deals or anything at all?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you call it.

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Speaker 1: I was told that.

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Speaker 6: I didn't have the skill to be a play by

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Speaker 6: play guy. That has been motivating my entire career. I've

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Speaker 6: used that one as fuel.

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Speaker 2: So you've worked with Alex Derek, Big Poppy, You've worked

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Speaker 2: with any number of analysts. You're about to work with

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Speaker 2: Tom Brady. Aside from those guys, who's your dream partner?

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Speaker 2: You can take it from any moment in history. If

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Speaker 2: you could just like snap your fingers, who would you

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Speaker 2: be in the boothbom Wow.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, I'll give you, I'll give you two answers,

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Speaker 1: try and keep it quick.

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Speaker 6: I can name a million people, I mean, but for one,

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Speaker 6: it would be John Madden just because I grew up

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Speaker 6: idolizing the guy and that would be so fun to

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Speaker 6: sit next to him while he was doing his thing.

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Speaker 6: And then you know, I'm so lucky to work with

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Speaker 6: who I work with. But it would be cool to

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Speaker 6: do a show with Charles Barkley. I think he's the best.

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Speaker 6: I've only met him one time, but yeah, I think

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Speaker 6: that would be a hell of a lot of fun.

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Speaker 6: I think he fits in with a lot of the

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Speaker 6: stuff that we do.

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Speaker 5: What's your hype song before a big game on TV?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Well, here we go.

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Speaker 6: I'm going to tell you this is I got to

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Speaker 6: go back to my roots. I'm a Jersey kid. So

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Speaker 6: if you're giving me like one song to play, I'm

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Speaker 6: going to pump on a little Bond jovie like a

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Speaker 6: living out a prayer.

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Speaker 1: That's where I'm going to go.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's amazing, love it is.

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Speaker 3: You could take the boy out of Jersey.

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Speaker 1: Some things don't ever change, all right.

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Speaker 2: So finally, what's your advice for non athletes or you know,

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Speaker 2: aspiring people who want to work in the sports world.

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Speaker 6: This is what I truly believe in. It's two simple things.

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Speaker 6: It's follow your dreams because you're going to regret if

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Speaker 6: you don't. Right, and you don't know where it's getting up.

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Speaker 6: But I always say that it's so important because people

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Speaker 6: will get dreams, get squashed and they don't ever really

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Speaker 6: follow through and what they want to do. And then

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Speaker 6: the other thing is I think set goals, but I'm

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Speaker 6: just not a believer in saying, where do you want

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Speaker 6: to be in ten years?

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Speaker 1: I want to do the world's here is in ten years.

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Speaker 6: And the reason I don't believe that is because I

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Speaker 6: feel like if you do that and you're not there,

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Speaker 6: then you look at yourself as a failure. So the

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Speaker 6: goals that I like to set are improvements, things that

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Speaker 6: make you better. How can you be better? How can

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Speaker 6: you improve your life, improve your career. I don't like

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Speaker 6: to say, you know, in five years, I'm going to

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Speaker 6: be making X, because I feel like if you're not,

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Speaker 6: it's a failure. That's at least from my personality. So

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Speaker 6: I always find when I talk to his students and like, wow,

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Speaker 6: I want to call the super Bowl too, and I

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Speaker 6: hope to be there by thirty. Well, let's just puts

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Speaker 6: thing on the table that's achievable and then when you

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Speaker 6: get there, you check it off and now you're on

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Speaker 6: to the next goal. That's the way I view goals.

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Speaker 6: That's what I tell young people. Whether it's right, I

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Speaker 6: have no idea, but that's how I feel.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 2: It seems to have worked very well for you. You're

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Speaker 2: a good partner to my partner. This has been fun

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Speaker 2: to sort of compare to us. We're going to have

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Speaker 2: to maybe have like a session just the two of

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Speaker 2: us about Alex when he's not there. But you've been

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Speaker 2: very kind with your time, and everything that Alex has

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Speaker 2: said about you is true. You're clearly a great and

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Speaker 2: thoughtful guy.

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Speaker 3: So we really appreciate you doing this.

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Speaker 4: Kevin, Kevin, thank you so much. There's been so much fun.

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Speaker 5: Brother. Then I'll see you soon.

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Speaker 2: The Deal is hosted by Alex Rodriguez and me Jason Kelly.

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