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Speaker 2: Enstan Patrick Show. Is Dak Prescott a game manager. Cam
Speaker 2: Newton Coldy Mountain said that he's a game manager.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: When I was growing up, that's a compliment because Bart
Speaker 2: Starr was a game manager. Bob Greasie was a game manager.
Speaker 2: That's how you know, quarterback managed a game. It wasn't
Speaker 2: about you know, glossy numbers. It was what do you do?
Speaker 2: Do you make the call in the right situation. I
Speaker 2: don't view it as a negative. I said that before
Speaker 2: about Alex Smith when he played. Alex did not like it,
Speaker 2: didn't think it was a compliment. But I was giving
Speaker 2: that as a compliment. You're managing a game. It's like
Speaker 2: a pitcher who pitches a game manages a game. That's
Speaker 2: to me a compliment. But I think in today's game,
Speaker 2: it's not about I'm just managing. It's I'm dominating a game.
Speaker 2: I'm affecting a game. I'm the reason why we're going
Speaker 2: to win this game. But you can be the reason
Speaker 2: why you're winning a game by how you manage a game.
Speaker 2: Are you throwing into double coverage? Are you making the call?
Speaker 2: You know, the right call, you know when you audible like,
Speaker 2: that's managing a game. Being it's like being a pitcher
Speaker 2: instead of a thrower, that you're able to be well rounded,
Speaker 2: understand the game, your teammates making the right call at
Speaker 2: the right time. But Cam Newton came out and said
Speaker 2: that there are a few quarterbacks who are game managers. Marvin,
Speaker 2: do we have Cam Newton? Here is his comment on
Speaker 2: his podcast Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 4: Obviously, Patrick Mahomes, Dak Prescott brat parody like, but Brock,
Speaker 4: let's they're not winning because of him.
Speaker 3: He's not turning the ball over.
Speaker 4: He's managing the game. And if we were to put
Speaker 4: that in its own right as game managers, Brock parody
Speaker 4: to a tongue of below Jack Golf and really, Dad Prescott,
Speaker 4: these are game managers. They're not difference makers.
Speaker 2: Okay, now Cam was an MVP and was a difference maker,
Speaker 2: but I don't think Cam managed a game well. At
Speaker 2: times I thought that he impacted the game. But if
Speaker 2: he would have managed the game a little bit better,
Speaker 2: then maybe you would have had a better result. There
Speaker 2: is Dak managing a game, okay, and that's open to interpretation.
Speaker 2: I think he's done an incredible job. Brock Perdy has
Speaker 2: done an incredible job. Now you do have a lot
Speaker 2: of talent, but managing all of that talent, getting the
Speaker 2: ball to the right person at the right time, distributing,
Speaker 2: making sure you don't lock into just one guy managing
Speaker 2: a game. I don't think it's, you know, a negative,
Speaker 2: but I can understand with today's quarterbacks that they would
Speaker 2: probably take it that way. Everybody wants to be the
Speaker 2: difference maker, but a lot of these quarterbacks don't know
Speaker 2: how to manage a game. That's like I want, I
Speaker 2: want the big play, the splash play, I want a
Speaker 2: big highlight here. It's more of Hey, that's in front
Speaker 2: of you. Take what they're giving you. It's third and
Speaker 2: seven and you throw for eight yards, not for twenty
Speaker 2: eight yards. Now third and three, I'm going to audible
Speaker 2: and I'm going to make this call here. It's managing
Speaker 2: a game. I don't have any problem with that.
Speaker 5: Yes, buy It's like cam is it's a slight to
Speaker 5: calls on a game manager. What he's saying is that
Speaker 5: you can't do it on your own if you get
Speaker 5: in a situation where you don't have blocking or a
Speaker 5: couple of your receivers are out true, And you know,
Speaker 5: like remember Patrick Mahomes against Tampa Bay and he was
Speaker 5: running for his life and he was keeping them in
Speaker 5: that Super Bowl with zero blocking. That's where if it
Speaker 5: was someone besides Mahomes, that game could have been like
Speaker 5: forty to zero with no blocking. But you know, Cam
Speaker 5: at is peak could do it without wide receivers or blocking,
Speaker 5: and Josh Allen at his peak true can have lesser receivers,
Speaker 5: less blocking and still keep you in a game. And
Speaker 5: I think he's Camp's saying there's a category, but it
Speaker 5: becomes a slight of those who aren't in that category.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I know we'll get into semantics on this,
Speaker 2: but I think the reason why this stood out is
Speaker 2: he's calling out Dak Prescott by saying he's a game manager.
Speaker 2: If he says Brock Purty and Jared Goff are game managers,
Speaker 2: I don't know if anybody has a problem, but Dak Prescott,
Speaker 2: he's elevated his game and he's played well, and no turnovers.
Speaker 2: That's part of managing a game, not turning the ball over.
Speaker 2: And Brock Purdy has been great and so is Dak Prescott.
Speaker 2: And those are the two top MVP candidates right now.
Speaker 2: All right, got ahead of myself here, but we'll talk
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Speaker 6: Two hour one we put up there Dan.
Speaker 7: Next year, Bill Belichick will be the Patriots head coach,
Speaker 7: coaching another NFL team, coaching a college team working in
Speaker 7: the media, or on Nantucket with his dog. Right now,
Speaker 7: do you care to guess it's a tie? But two options?
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going to say with another team that's one
Speaker 2: of them, all right, and with his dog on Nantucke.
Speaker 6: Yeah, nailed it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think he's going to leave the dog
Speaker 2: by himself on Nantucket. He takes another job.
Speaker 6: Nobody has him coaching college, nobody has him working in
Speaker 6: the media.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't see that.
Speaker 7: For hour two, I was actually going to recycle a
Speaker 7: poll question that we did on November fifteenth of this year.
Speaker 7: I want to guess what that was. That guy Randy
Speaker 7: Chipman sent this in. So this is November fifteenth, twenty
Speaker 7: twenty three, the guess that recycled Pulques.
Speaker 6: That recycled polk game. Yeah, was this.
Speaker 2: When Patriots came back from losing in Germany? Wrong? Marvin?
Speaker 8: Should the Warriors get rid of Draymond?
Speaker 7: How many games should Draymond be suspended?
Speaker 6: Your options are one or two?
Speaker 2: Don't we do this three times a year so far?
Speaker 7: We could have done it three times this year this far? Uh,
Speaker 7: three to five, six to nine, ten plus?
Speaker 2: How many should When you say three to five we're
Speaker 2: talking games, not years.
Speaker 6: Three to five games. Yeah, yeah, it's not a three to.
Speaker 2: Five Yeah, let's lock him up for three to five
Speaker 2: years out. Even if you did that at work, somebody
Speaker 2: was like jostling with you, have a little bit of fun.
Speaker 2: You just turned and then you knocked him to the
Speaker 2: floor with a punch, but acted like WHOA hit me?
Speaker 1: He turned me around.
Speaker 2: I didn't do it, all right. I can't explain Draymond Green.
Speaker 2: I can let him try to. Here is Draymond after
Speaker 2: the game with what he did.
Speaker 9: He was pulling my hip and I was swinging away
Speaker 9: to sell the call, made contact with him. As you know,
Speaker 9: I'm not want to apologize for things I meant to do,
Speaker 9: but I do apologize to you, sir, because I didn't
Speaker 9: intend to hit him. I sell calls with my arms.
Speaker 9: I don't fall to sell a call. I don't not
Speaker 9: a flopper. So I was just selling the call because
Speaker 9: he was grabbing me and pulling my hip back, so
Speaker 9: I spun away and unfortunately I get him, and so,
Speaker 9: like I said, I apologize to you, Seth because I
Speaker 9: didn't intendant hit on.
Speaker 2: U sept Nurkic got knocked to the floor. There you know,
Speaker 2: it's one thing if you're selling it and you're flailing
Speaker 2: and you go towards your bench, okay, But when you
Speaker 2: are flailing and then you turn and then you have
Speaker 2: a roundhouse that you hit him up the side of
Speaker 2: the head with a closed fist. I don't think that's accidental.
Speaker 2: I don't think you go, oh, I accidentally hit you. No,
Speaker 2: felt like you were going to hit him?
Speaker 6: Yes, How many times has he accidentally hit somebody?
Speaker 2: Usually in the groin?
Speaker 7: I mean usually he kicks people in the groin accidentally.
Speaker 7: He's done that while four or five times easily. And
Speaker 7: now he while not he won't call himself a flopper.
Speaker 7: He's just selling a foul and then he accidentally punches
Speaker 7: somebody in the face. That's that's Uneither he really is
Speaker 7: that uncoordinated and that unlucky, or he's lying.
Speaker 2: Is he really apologizing? Yeah? Here is Steve Kerr, Golden
Speaker 2: State's head coach.
Speaker 10: I haven't seen a replay, so I don't I have
Speaker 10: no comment on it.
Speaker 2: How big a swing is it? Losing Draymond?
Speaker 8: That huge, huge swing?
Speaker 10: You know, we kind of felt good about, you know,
Speaker 10: having him at the five, spreading the floor. We got
Speaker 10: shooters out there. Obviously changed the lineup around. We thought
Speaker 10: that could really get Steff some space, and you know,
Speaker 10: Draymond could use his speed. You saw you got that
Speaker 10: lay up the first play of the half the second half,
Speaker 10: and so I felt good about having him out there.
Speaker 10: And you know he lost his poise.
Speaker 2: Yeah, does he ever find his pois? What did he
Speaker 2: have with I don't know. I think he lost it
Speaker 2: a long time ago. I don't know if he's looking
Speaker 2: for it. The Warriors did get eighty points from their
Speaker 2: bench in the loss of the Suns, and once again
Speaker 2: here we go, and you can't embarrass I think if
Speaker 2: you're humbled embarrassed, then maybe you change your ways. At
Speaker 2: this point, he's not changing, you know, if you take
Speaker 2: the approach that Dennis Rodman did, who's one of the
Speaker 2: brightest players to ever play the game. He understood how
Speaker 2: to be a pest nuisance, but he didn't throw punches.
Speaker 2: I mean, he got into altercations, but it was really
Speaker 2: just getting under your skin. Draymond's not that smart, at
Speaker 2: least when it comes to that. He's a really intelligent
Speaker 2: basketball player. Although when you think of these numbers eight points,
Speaker 2: seven assists, seven rebounds. Those are his you know, stats
Speaker 2: for his career. Now he's much more than that. But
Speaker 2: he's going to be a Hall of Famer. But I
Speaker 2: wonder when we think of Draymond Green when it's all
Speaker 2: said and done, do we go and that guy was crazier?
Speaker 2: What was he thinking? Or man he cost the Warriors?
Speaker 2: Or do you go? You know, he was the guy
Speaker 2: who really was the engine here. He made it all work,
Speaker 2: and when he played at a high level then it
Speaker 2: was different. He's not playing at a high level like he's
Speaker 2: an average player. Times out there, he's a liability at
Speaker 2: times out there still has pockets where you go, oh,
Speaker 2: it's Draymond making the right call, the right pass. I mean,
Speaker 2: he was their point guard, he was their assist leader.
Speaker 2: But after a while, you know this on Golden State,
Speaker 2: you guys are enablers here. Everybody's like, well, you know,
Speaker 2: we'll put up with that because we know Draymond's going
Speaker 2: to help us in may or June. Okay, are you
Speaker 2: guys going to be playing in mayor June? Probably not
Speaker 2: the way you've been playing this year, all right? Eight
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Speaker 2: also talked to Lewis Riddick of The Mothership about Bill Belichick.
Speaker 2: Tom Kern of NBC Sports Boston had this to say
Speaker 2: about Bill Belichick's future yesterday.
Speaker 11: When they came out of Germany. Conversations I had that
Speaker 11: week made it very clear that a decision was made
Speaker 11: and they were going to play out the string and
Speaker 11: at the end of the year there would be a
Speaker 11: parting of the ways for variety of reasons, I think,
Speaker 11: and I was told this specifically, but the main one
Speaker 11: being no fire Bill Belichick during this season. It's just
Speaker 11: not going to happen. Additionally, though he's an asset, he's
Speaker 11: under contract for another year, which we reported after ESPN
Speaker 11: or NFL media reported there was a long term extension
Speaker 11: in place. It would keep Bill locked up long term.
Speaker 11: It's only through next year, so that would not be
Speaker 11: an impediment to them changing course. And it had gone
Speaker 11: too far. The Germany game, the Commander's game, the Saints game,
Speaker 11: all huge marquee games, and then there was a Chargers
Speaker 11: game after that. Just because they won last week in
Speaker 11: Pittsburgh in prime time. I don't think it quells anything.
Speaker 2: Okay, the Saints game was a huge game. Commander's game
Speaker 2: was a huge game. Man, we lowered our standards with
Speaker 2: what's a huge game here? The game in Germany was
Speaker 2: their super Bowl. And you know when Tom says the
Speaker 2: decision was made, not we're moving in a direction, A
Speaker 2: decision was made. But other media outlets haven't made a
Speaker 2: big deal about this. I think they'll probably start to.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think they're gonna move on from Bill Belichick.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised. I get it. Uh Phil in
Speaker 2: New York? Hi, Phil, what's on your mind?
Speaker 1: Hey?
Speaker 12: Dan Dennett's It's it's actually Bill. But that's fine, six
Speaker 12: foot great personality. Will leave it, leave it. We'll leave
Speaker 12: it at that if it helps, like puppies and walks
Speaker 12: on the beach.
Speaker 13: All right.
Speaker 12: First, on the cam thing, Caam Newton, the converse to
Speaker 12: a game manager is a game missmanager. So I would
Speaker 12: probably prefer to be the former. But I have two
Speaker 12: quick things on the Belichick thing. First, I'm I'm a
Speaker 12: former journalist. Now I'm in the what we call the
Speaker 12: reputation management business, otherwise known as pr or flack. They
Speaker 12: have an opportunity here to get in front of this
Speaker 12: and just acknowledge now right, Yes, we've agreed, we're going
Speaker 12: to part ways at the end of the year. Do
Speaker 12: the right thing, say the right thing. We're going to
Speaker 12: do the best for the Patriots and the best for
Speaker 12: Bill Belichick. We're going to move on. Otherwise, you're looking
Speaker 12: at a slowan divorce. I've been through one of those.
Speaker 12: They suck so they can get in front of it.
Speaker 12: I think with Margaret Thatcher that said, if you stand
Speaker 12: in the middle of the road, get run over from
Speaker 12: both directions. That's what they're looking at. If they acknowledge it,
Speaker 12: it's not going to impact Belichick's future to be traded
Speaker 12: or anything else. Just to acknowledge what you're doing. Just
Speaker 12: say it. Otherwise, Bill Belichick is going to have to
Speaker 12: sit there for the next four games, right and answer
Speaker 12: questions are these rumors true, etc. The toothpaste out of
Speaker 12: the tube, whether it's true or not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Bill, thank you for the phone call. Chack's
Speaker 2: not going to answer these. Oh he has to do
Speaker 2: is say what he normally says. We're onto I don't
Speaker 2: know anything about that. That's what he does. And the
Speaker 2: media can't do anything about it because they'll be like,
Speaker 2: have you has mister Kraft told you they made a
Speaker 2: decision on your future?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 8: Not done?
Speaker 14: No more.
Speaker 2: Are you going to be the coach? Have you been
Speaker 2: told you be the coach here next year? I don't
Speaker 2: even think about that right now. So chiefs are at
Speaker 2: the Patriots this week. I mean, that's what he'll say.
Speaker 2: I'm just worried about the Chiefs. I'm worried about Patrick Bilmes.
Speaker 2: You're not gonna say anything. Are they going to hang
Speaker 2: him out to dry? I guess. But it's not like
Speaker 2: Robert Kraft's going to get in front of the microphone
Speaker 2: where you can ask him. I know he was on
Speaker 2: Rich Eisen show recently, but and I don't know if
Speaker 2: Rich said has a decision been made? Because there was
Speaker 2: plenty of speculation. But I don't think anybody who else
Speaker 2: is going to talk. Somebody asked Mac Jones or Bailey
Speaker 2: ZAPPI nobody's saying anything the Patriots. I mean, this is
Speaker 2: as much information as you get out of New England,
Speaker 2: Shawn and salt Lake. Then we'll take a break. Hey Sean,
Speaker 2: what's on your mind today?
Speaker 9: Hey? Dan?
Speaker 12: Quick question? You would be considered the greatest. I don't
Speaker 12: know you've referred to Bill as the greatest coach, But
Speaker 12: can you really be the greatest if you've cheated at
Speaker 12: your sport.
Speaker 2: Well, I think he's widely considered the greatest or one
Speaker 2: of the greatest. I mean, if you want to put
Speaker 2: an umbrella over it and say he's one of the greatest,
Speaker 2: then great. You know that's fine. No, it's Lombardy better,
Speaker 2: or hol Is better, Shoel the better. It's just we
Speaker 2: we gauge our greatness with quarterbacks on Super Bowls and
Speaker 2: we should probably do that with Bill Belichick. Is there
Speaker 2: an asterisk by him? Yeah, there's always going to be,
Speaker 2: whether it's something that you actually see or that you
Speaker 2: imagine is there. But you know, Bill's one of the
Speaker 2: great coaches of all time, if not the greatest coach. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it feels like.
Speaker 7: His time has gone on and all the hysteria has
Speaker 7: died down. Both of those cheating scandals are kind of
Speaker 7: nonsense anyway. Most people seem to recognize that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, deflate Gate was silly. That was more
Speaker 2: about Belichick or Brady not telling the.
Speaker 6: Truth ideal guess law.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Of course, although the NFL never released the whole next season,
Speaker 7: they studied the footballs at every game and they never
Speaker 7: released those findings.
Speaker 2: I wonder why. I remember asking Roger Goodell, that's been
Speaker 2: a long time since he's been on the show, but
Speaker 2: I remember asking him about where's all that, you know,
Speaker 2: the Spygate stuff, and he said, oh, we destroyed it.
Speaker 2: I go why would you destroy it?
Speaker 5: It's possible that was for the reason he was on
Speaker 5: the show for the last name reaction when everyone found out.
Speaker 8: He said that we lose that number.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Well he hadn't been on since. All right,
Speaker 2: we'll take a break. More phone calls coming up. By
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Speaker 2: He is Lewis Riddick of the mother Ship, a former
Speaker 2: NFL safety, former front office executive with the Eagles and
Speaker 2: with Washington. He was on the call Monday night the
Speaker 2: Titans surprising the Dolphins, and he's got the Peach Bowl
Speaker 2: coming up. That'll be December thirtieth. It's Ole miss and
Speaker 2: Penn's state. Thanks for joining us. Do you think Bill
Speaker 2: Belichick knows that what his future is going to be
Speaker 2: in New England?
Speaker 3: And then I would probably I'd venture to say he does.
Speaker 3: I'd say him, And I thought, after all these years,
Speaker 3: what is it now? Twenty three years? Is the twenty
Speaker 3: three seasons that he's coached up there? Twenty four seasons.
Speaker 3: I would hope that they have the kind of communication
Speaker 3: that's ongoing and continuous that kind of lets him know that, look,
Speaker 3: this is kind of what we're thinking about and how
Speaker 3: things are gonna go here at the end of the year,
Speaker 3: and those are kind of things that this kind of
Speaker 3: like to me, would would seem like it would be
Speaker 3: a natural kind of conversation. That's the kind of respect
Speaker 3: he deserves, and I think he would want to know
Speaker 3: that kind of information, especially if mister Kraft, Jonathan Kraft
Speaker 3: and the rest of the gang up there, we're gonna
Speaker 3: go ahead and make a decision. Yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 3: wouldn't be shocked by it at all if if it's
Speaker 3: actually coming to an end.
Speaker 2: How attractive do you think he would be for let's say,
Speaker 2: the Chargers, Washington Carolina, anybody else?
Speaker 3: Oh, he's He's attractive for everybody, especially from from a
Speaker 3: program building standpoint, in terms of philosophically, how he thinks
Speaker 3: you have to win in the NFL. He's always been
Speaker 3: a guy who's been a step ahead as far as scheme, strategies, tactics.
Speaker 3: He knows all that. So he hasn't lost his fastball
Speaker 3: in that way. But there's no question that some of
Speaker 3: the some of the can decisions that he's made as
Speaker 3: far as player selection have really burned him. Man, he's
Speaker 3: really he's really missed the mark on a couple of those.
Speaker 3: And see that's gonna be that's gonna be it? What
Speaker 3: kind of GM? Who do you got? Who do you
Speaker 3: got that you're gonna pair with him? It's gonna be
Speaker 3: able to withstand the kind of let's just say, pressure
Speaker 3: a guy like Bill will put on you. Because I
Speaker 3: can just tell you this, it ain't like anything you've
Speaker 3: ever seen before as far as being around somebody like
Speaker 3: that who is as demanding, as accomplished. It's not. It's
Speaker 3: not for everyone. It's just not.
Speaker 2: But do you think he goes in he wants to
Speaker 2: be the GM and the coach if he goes to
Speaker 2: another place, or would he be willing to acquiesce to
Speaker 2: a GM.
Speaker 3: I I don't. I don't really know. I would think
Speaker 3: that he would. Still, I don't think he would ever
Speaker 3: just give it up totally. I don't think he'll ever
Speaker 3: just be a guy who says, hey, you know what,
Speaker 3: I don't want anything to do with it. You just
Speaker 3: picked the players. I'll coach him, But I could see
Speaker 3: a situation. I'll like, remember Andy used to have control
Speaker 3: of every everything when he was in Philadelphia at one time. Everything.
Speaker 3: Now Tom Hecker worked with him, but Andy had control
Speaker 3: of everything. He became and he would probably tell you himself.
Speaker 3: And I don't want to speak for him, but I
Speaker 3: know how he has talked about it. But he became
Speaker 3: someone who became an even better coach as far as
Speaker 3: the details are concerned, when he took a lot of
Speaker 3: that off of his plate and he just had someone
Speaker 3: who he can trust. And right now he's hit the
Speaker 3: sweet spot with him and Brett down in KC. So
Speaker 3: could Bill get Could Bill do that? Of course he could?
Speaker 3: But who would that guy be? Who would it be
Speaker 3: that he would trust in that way?
Speaker 2: What's your level of concern for the chiefs?
Speaker 3: Oh, it's serious. It's significant because look, I think and
Speaker 3: he used to say this all the time, Dan when
Speaker 3: we were when we were in Philly, like when we
Speaker 3: used to talk about player profiles, especially at the wide
Speaker 3: receiver position, and we talk about all this stuff about short,
Speaker 3: airy quickness and explosiveness, and he can do this. And
Speaker 3: Andy used to say this, Look, man, can this guy
Speaker 3: catch the ball or not because misues okay, because he
Speaker 3: would say, you know what he goes. He'd be like,
Speaker 3: correct me if I'm wrong. But isn't the number one
Speaker 3: job a receiver has to do is catch the thing?
Speaker 3: He used to say that all the time, and that
Speaker 3: worries me for this football.
Speaker 2: But how do receivers not catch a football?
Speaker 3: You know? Because honestly, some guys just have better hand
Speaker 3: eye coordination and natural ability in game situations to track
Speaker 3: a ball in the stadium when someone's coming at him.
Speaker 3: Then other guys do, and some, I mean, you know
Speaker 3: how it is. There's guys who are there's people who
Speaker 3: are practiced players, and there's people who are gamers. Some people,
Speaker 3: when you rep it and you're talking about it and
Speaker 3: there's no pressure, they look like all Americans, all of famers.
Speaker 3: When the lights come on, they shrink. Some of the
Speaker 3: guys there don't step up and do the right things
Speaker 3: when the lights are the brightest. And that see that
Speaker 3: that's all we're talking about with KC. Now, it's not
Speaker 3: about well, are they gonna make it to playoffs? And
Speaker 3: they are gonna be no with in casey, it's either
Speaker 3: super Bowl or the season stunk. That's all. That's that's
Speaker 3: all it is. So yeah, I'm concerned that I'm concerned
Speaker 3: for sure.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm sure that level of concern more for Kansas
Speaker 2: City or Philadelphia moving forward?
Speaker 3: Uh more for Kansas City.
Speaker 2: Really, yeah, I think so.
Speaker 3: And I'll tell you why. In the NFL, the game
Speaker 3: still is going to be all right. So it's gonna
Speaker 3: be about winning at the line of scrimmage in the postseason,
Speaker 3: and it's about explosive plays in the postseason. That's what
Speaker 3: it's about. Can you control the line of scrimmage? Obviously,
Speaker 3: turnover differential is always going to be there. Can you
Speaker 3: win it the line of scrimmage? Can you create explosives?
Speaker 3: It's just too hard to go eight, nine, ten, twelve,
Speaker 3: thirteen plays all the time. Philly can create explosives because
Speaker 3: they have dudes who can do that. Aj can do it,
Speaker 3: DeVante can do it, Swift can do it, Kenny Gainwell
Speaker 3: can do it, and phil In Kansas City, Travis can
Speaker 3: create explosives, but he's a tight end. He's not necessarily
Speaker 3: that guy who can flip a game on its head.
Speaker 3: And who else they got. That's the issue. And when
Speaker 3: you're talking about winning at the line of scrimmage. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Casey's offensive line is still very good. In their defense
Speaker 3: is one of the best in the NFL. I believe
Speaker 3: Philly's pass rush will start to show up. I am
Speaker 3: concerned about their secondary, but I do think they are
Speaker 3: still built enough the right way, and Jalen Hurts will
Speaker 3: get on the same page with his offense and Brian
Speaker 3: Johnson will get it going to the point where I
Speaker 3: think they will still be there in the end. It'll
Speaker 3: be between obviously it'll be between Dallas, Philly and San
Speaker 3: Frean in the NFC. The AFC is a little bit
Speaker 3: tougher of a road for Casey, maybe that it's ever been,
Speaker 3: simply because they can't flip the game on its head
Speaker 3: with one play like they used to be able.
Speaker 2: To former defensive back now working for the Mothership with
Speaker 2: the NFL College Football Analysis, he's Lewis Riddick joining us
Speaker 2: on the program. I'm gonna play something that Cam Newton
Speaker 2: brought up on his fourth and one podcast and then
Speaker 2: get your reaction to it.
Speaker 4: And Lamar Jackson, obviously, Patrick Mahomes, Dak Prescott Brat parody like,
Speaker 4: but brock Let's they're not winning because of him, He's
Speaker 4: not turning the ball over. He's managing the game. And
Speaker 4: if we were to put that in its own right
Speaker 4: as game managers, Brock parody to a tongue of Belowa,
Speaker 4: Jared Goff and really Dad Prescott, these are game managers.
Speaker 4: They're they're not different makers.
Speaker 2: Okay. In the start of that answer, he talked about
Speaker 2: you know mahomes Lamar Jackson, you know their they're difference makers,
Speaker 2: and then he got to game managers with Rock Perty,
Speaker 2: Dak Prescott, Jared Goff is not a slight? Was it
Speaker 2: meant as a slight?
Speaker 3: Of course, it's meant as a slight because you know,
Speaker 3: Ham sounds like somebody who and I like him. I
Speaker 3: like him. Every time I got a chance to talk
Speaker 3: to him, I've liked it. I like the guy. But
Speaker 3: Cam to sounds Cam Cam comes off as like bitter
Speaker 3: like because he thinks he should still be playing. And
Speaker 3: you know, you've often heard him talk about the fact
Speaker 3: that he's better than a lot of the quarterbacks that
Speaker 3: are still playing in the NFL. And sometimes when you
Speaker 3: have that kind of feeling, like your your opinions and
Speaker 3: your the lens through which you look at these guys,
Speaker 3: becomes a little bit distorted and jaded, and you say
Speaker 3: it in a way that kind of makes you feel
Speaker 3: better about where you're at, or rather it kind of
Speaker 3: makes you it just makes you feel better, for lack
Speaker 3: of a better phrase. Here, Look, you know, I continue
Speaker 3: to have issues with this whole game manager versus this
Speaker 3: guy wins the game bs because man, look, I played
Speaker 3: in an era.
Speaker 14: Where I hear the great quarterbacks.
Speaker 3: I played against all Right, played against Troy when Dallas
Speaker 3: was mowing down everybody in Dallas. I played against Elway
Speaker 3: when TD was going for two thousand yards and they
Speaker 3: had McCaffrey and they had Shannon, they had all those dudes.
Speaker 3: I played against Joe and I played against Steve Young
Speaker 3: when they had Jerry Rice, John Taylor, Brent Jones, Ricky Waters,
Speaker 3: Roger Craig Block, et cetera, et cetera. You know what's interesting,
Speaker 3: I remember being a scout when when Peyton had Drin
Speaker 3: and he had Marvin Harrison, and he had Reggie Wayne,
Speaker 3: he had Dallas Clark, And I'm sitting there going, look,
Speaker 3: these guys then are now. These guys then and now
Speaker 3: were considered some of the greats to ever play the game.
Speaker 3: And they had Hall of famers all around them. But
Speaker 3: we become drunk with this notion that unless you are
Speaker 3: throwing the foot, unless you're getting hit in the face
Speaker 3: the receivers triple covered the windows and inch by an
Speaker 3: inch and you threaded through a key hole, you're not elite.
Speaker 3: You're not that great. You're not that unless you're throwing
Speaker 3: it off balance across your body. No, look, seventy yards
Speaker 3: in the air on a flat line, Well, that mustn't.
Speaker 3: You're just benefiting from all the guys around you. And
Speaker 3: it's really then it's become stupid. It becomes stupid the
Speaker 3: way in which we are trying to individualize the game
Speaker 3: that we all know reason why we love it's because
Speaker 3: it's the greatest team sport ever, but want we are
Speaker 3: so enamored with trying to put people in the levels
Speaker 3: and tiers. And that's why there's always this study about
Speaker 3: this is the category A quarterback, this is category B.
Speaker 3: It's like it's like quarterback wins, right, Like we keep
Speaker 3: using that stat even though a quarterback could do everything
Speaker 3: possible in a game, and if he doesn't have the
Speaker 3: ball last and his defense gives it up in the end,
Speaker 3: it still goes out of the loss for him. It's
Speaker 3: like we pick and choose, we move goldposts so damn
Speaker 3: much in this business, and we have such weird, weird
Speaker 3: ways of categorizing elite versus not. Yeah, we all know
Speaker 3: that Brock Party is not physically and from a throwing
Speaker 3: perspective as talented as Patrick Mahomes No kidding, So what
Speaker 3: you know? Joe Montana wasn't as physically gifted as Steve Young.
Speaker 3: Steve Young's not as physically gifted. Even though Steve Young's
Speaker 3: a Hall of Famer and one of my best friends.
Speaker 3: I love Steve Young to death. He's not as physically
Speaker 3: gifted as Jackson as a runner, better throw, et cetera. See,
Speaker 3: it's just so it's I hate, I absolutely hate these
Speaker 3: conversations because right now Rock Purdy is right in the
Speaker 3: cross hairs, right he's right in the cross hairs of
Speaker 3: everyone's debates right now concerning whether or not he should
Speaker 3: be he should be considered an MVP, because anyone could
Speaker 3: do what Brock is doing well.
Speaker 2: Also, if he was taken in the top ten, of
Speaker 2: course we get differently.
Speaker 3: There you go, And what does that tell you? The
Speaker 3: fact that we can sit here and admit this. We're
Speaker 3: already The fact that we could admit that that, well,
Speaker 3: if he was taken in the top ten, that I
Speaker 3: wouldn't be having this conversation already shows you that really,
Speaker 3: your opinion right now really doesn't mean a four letter
Speaker 3: expletive that I won't say. It really doesn't mean anything
Speaker 3: because you're already admitting that you're biased simply because of
Speaker 3: where he came in, and that right there takes all
Speaker 3: your credibility and you can just throw it out the door.
Speaker 3: I hope that I hope the guy I swear like,
Speaker 3: I hope he wins the MVP so bad because there
Speaker 3: will will be about six to eight months worth of
Speaker 3: conversation where people are going to be pissed off.
Speaker 2: Well, it's like when The Joker was going to win
Speaker 2: three MVPs in a row, and I think people had
Speaker 2: a problem because he doesn't jump high. He's there's no highlights.
Speaker 2: You know, a highlight will be a pass, and I
Speaker 2: think that that, well, he hadn't won a championship. So
Speaker 2: now he's won a championship and probably should have been
Speaker 2: the MVP last year during the regular season. But you know,
Speaker 2: I don't need excitement I need, and and Joe Montana
Speaker 2: was a game manager in my opinion, and Bart Starr was,
Speaker 2: and you know there's yes, yes, we get Cam was
Speaker 2: not a game manager. Well, that's part of the problem
Speaker 2: with Cam. He didn't manage a game. If you don't
Speaker 2: manage a game, then you mismanage a game. Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 2: manages a game. And that means I'm gonna make the
Speaker 2: right call at the right time. I'm going to make
Speaker 2: the right play. It doesn't mean you're limited physically, it's
Speaker 2: mentally you you're ahead of people. And that's what I
Speaker 2: think that it's not a negative to me to say,
Speaker 2: you know how to manage your game.
Speaker 14: Every great quarterback, guru, teacher, coach, whatever, if you ask them,
Speaker 14: give me the two primary factors that determine greatness and quarterbacks.
Speaker 3: They don't go all schedule, throws in excitement and whether
Speaker 3: or not he can throw the ball seventy yards. They
Speaker 3: don't say that. They say decision making, accuracy. That's where
Speaker 3: they start. That's where they start, and everything else from there.
Speaker 3: Obviously you need physical skills and to be able to
Speaker 3: pass the football move. Yeah, of course decision making and accuracy.
Speaker 3: But for brock Purdy. It's like, well, he's not making decisions.
Speaker 3: Kyle's just telling him in his ear what to do.
Speaker 3: He's not actually throwing the football. That's an AI generated
Speaker 3: guy out there throwing the football. I mean, well, what
Speaker 3: the hell do you want? You know, he's getting penalized
Speaker 3: for the things that the great say you have to
Speaker 3: be able to do to play the position.
Speaker 2: Great, I like you fired up, like, yeah, I know
Speaker 2: you know what. I ready to hit somebody, you don't.
Speaker 3: You know, I always loved these conversations with you, man,
Speaker 3: this is always good stuff.
Speaker 2: You know what, go go drill or lof sky, like
Speaker 2: right in the middle of his back. Don't even tell
Speaker 2: him it's coming, just like sticking.
Speaker 3: You know what. Back in the day, back in the
Speaker 3: early nineties, when we could actually hit quarterbacks and people
Speaker 3: didn't cry, I would have loved.
Speaker 2: Did you ever have a quarterback cry when you hit him?
Speaker 3: Cry? No, you know what he was In our days,
Speaker 3: they didn't say a word. I mean because they expected it.
Speaker 3: They expected I mean, I can tell you, man, I
Speaker 3: can tell you. I can just tell you one quick play.
Speaker 3: We're playing the Dallas Cowboys in the preseason. Once down
Speaker 3: in Texas, stadium, Old Texas Stadium. We had scrimmaged against
Speaker 3: them when I was with the Raiders for like two
Speaker 3: or three days in training camp before that, and they
Speaker 3: kept running the skinny posts and I wasn't I kept
Speaker 3: getting I was laid on my break out of the
Speaker 3: middle of the field, and Gruden kept saying, He's like,
Speaker 3: are you gonna ever make a play on this Are
Speaker 3: you ever gonna make a play on this route? You're
Speaker 3: gonna make a play on this router? Are you just
Speaker 3: gonna keep watching them catch it? They ran the same
Speaker 3: play in the in the game then, and I saw
Speaker 3: it coming. I saw the formation I saw. I believe
Speaker 3: it was Jason Garrett was playing quarterback at the time.
Speaker 3: And I looked and I said, here it comes. I
Speaker 3: didn't even back up. I just made a bee line
Speaker 3: right for the receiver Dan. I hit him with everything
Speaker 3: I had, like it was a high shot up in
Speaker 3: the head. All this stuff. Nobody said a word. I
Speaker 3: literally walk by the guy and look. Now, I understand
Speaker 3: why you can't do that now, but the game is
Speaker 3: totally different. It's totally different now, and I get why
Speaker 3: no quarterbacks didn't cry there, but they can look everybody
Speaker 3: can You can't hit a guy hard right now without
Speaker 3: the whole sideline. You see everybody going like this. It's crazy. Man.
Speaker 2: You imagine the old Raiders, the Alan Davis Raiders, if
Speaker 2: they played today, guys would be in jail.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they sure would. You'd have on the commission on
Speaker 3: the suspended list. You have like forty.
Speaker 2: Guys the Raiders are on the Commissioner's exemplst the entire team. Hey,
Speaker 2: that's great to talk to you. Have fun in the
Speaker 2: Peach Bowl and thanks for joining us, of course, man. Thanks,
Speaker 2: that's Lewis Riddick of the Mothership ib BE doing the
Speaker 2: Peach Bowl. That'll be December thirtieth at noon, Ole Miss
Speaker 2: and Penn State. When we come back, guess the NFC
Speaker 2: and AFC offensive players of the week, Pauli said, you
Speaker 2: won't believe it. Well, we're gonna find out next.
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Speaker 2: It was Serbia Knight in Chicago, and of course everybody
Speaker 2: came to see the joker. Well, he was ejected after
Speaker 2: scoring four points. Nuggets had to win over the Bulls.
Speaker 2: That's how bad the Bulls are. The Joker doesn't play
Speaker 2: and they still can't win a game at home. Everybody's
Speaker 2: showing up to see the joker. Serbia Knight in Chicago,
Speaker 2: he gets tossed. Good stuff. All right, here we go,
Speaker 2: guess the NFC and AFC Offensive Players of the week.
Speaker 2: We've never done this before.
Speaker 5: No, for probably a good reason. Maybe you didn't stay in.
Speaker 2: Your car, and Paulie goes, hey, I got some shockers here,
Speaker 2: and I go Okay.
Speaker 5: If I told you a month ago that these two
Speaker 5: guys got AFC and NFC Offensive Player of the Week,
Speaker 5: nobody would have bet on this one. Who wants to
Speaker 5: go first for NFC first?
Speaker 2: Seaton O'Connor, I had AFC first.
Speaker 6: Sorry, okay, let's do AFC first. I'm gonna go Bailey
Speaker 6: Zappy No.
Speaker 2: I had a good guess. I'm gonna go Zach Wilson.
Speaker 5: Jack Wilson is correct. AFC Offensive Player of the Week.
Speaker 5: A week ago he was they said he didn't want
Speaker 5: to play, Okay now NFC.
Speaker 2: NFC Marvin Justin Fields.
Speaker 5: No deeper cut Tommy DeVito, Tommy Cutlets is correct.
Speaker 1: Quarterback.
Speaker 5: I give credit to the NFL knowing how to milk
Speaker 5: a storyline and giving these two guys player of the
Speaker 5: week is a good job.
Speaker 8: By that.
Speaker 2: What do you get for offensive player of the week.
Speaker 5: I think you get a plaque, a plot like sent
Speaker 5: to you at the facility? Uh, Aaron Rodgers held it
Speaker 5: up once? Okay, but yeah, can you believe can you
Speaker 5: believe these two guys got it?
Speaker 2: Yes? I can absolutely.
Speaker 8: I actually checked the source. It was a reporter who
Speaker 8: posted it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I asked her if he was kidding.
Speaker 2: Uh, Jason Jason in Mississippi? Hey, Jason, what's on your mind?
Speaker 12: Man?
Speaker 16: What's going on?
Speaker 3: DP?
Speaker 16: Long time listener?
Speaker 2: Six?
Speaker 13: Wait?
Speaker 16: Six six.
Speaker 4: One?
Speaker 16: Okay, first time called a long time listen. Let's say
Speaker 16: you added so color to the show piece.
Speaker 12: Came all this.
Speaker 16: But then as I'm watching the game last night, I
Speaker 16: see as they saw in the replay. I see the
Speaker 16: bench as they're showing it and may react. So when
Speaker 16: Draymond did that was just like, wow, I can't believe
Speaker 16: he did that.
Speaker 9: You know what?
Speaker 13: Reason?
Speaker 2: So well? I think the bench, the players at this point,
Speaker 2: you can't be surprised. You can't go h wow, Draymond
Speaker 2: just did that. I'm surprised when he doesn't do something.
Speaker 2: And this year, if you're getting thrown out of what
Speaker 2: twenty percent of your game so far, you know it's
Speaker 2: a systemic problem with the organization because you've allowed it,
Speaker 2: because you know, come May and June, that's when he's
Speaker 2: able to help you win a championship. Well, he's not
Speaker 2: doing that anymore. Adrian in Dallas.
Speaker 13: Hey Dan, how you doing great? Long time? First time five?
Speaker 13: My question is, and give me a chance to set
Speaker 13: this up and make sure it's not confusing for your
Speaker 13: football team. And I'd love to hear you guys discuss
Speaker 13: multiple football teams. Which would you rather have the situation
Speaker 13: as it is now to win the Super Bowl? Your
Speaker 13: chances of winning the Super Bowl take the situation as
Speaker 13: it is right now, or one play and from which
Speaker 13: yard line? For example, with my Cowboys, we've got a
Speaker 13: shot to win the Super Bowl. I might take a
Speaker 13: chance from the fifteen or in. But if you're Fritsy
Speaker 13: and the Broncos, you definitely take a shot from your
Speaker 13: own twenty on a hail Mary, how confident are you
Speaker 13: that your team is going to win?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 2: I would take the Eagles at the one yard line ballgame,
Speaker 2: don't I don't know if there's another sure thing is
Speaker 2: that Gampon would it be.
Speaker 5: Great at the Super Bowl? Ended with let's say it
Speaker 5: was Eagles versus Chiefs.
Speaker 2: Push Eagles, it was four and they get stopped.
Speaker 5: No, it's fourth and two, not fourth and one with
Speaker 5: ten seconds left on the clock.
Speaker 2: So oh, I don't think they'd be worried about getting
Speaker 2: two yards?
Speaker 5: Would they still do it too?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, what it looks like they could do it from
Speaker 2: like the five.
Speaker 5: I would love it for you to be like two
Speaker 5: and a half where they it caused a decision. I.
Speaker 2: I don't it feels like that they could get two Wow, Yes, Martin.
Speaker 8: They did the Toush push last week and they were
Speaker 8: in the end zone like three or four yards. Oh,
Speaker 8: they could have done this from the four yard line
Speaker 8: and got in. Yes, Tom, I'm surprised you think they
Speaker 8: would do it from the two.
Speaker 11: I thought they would like fake the Toush push, which
Speaker 11: is what maybe the defense is expecting they're going to do,
Speaker 11: and then you have Hurts roll out and either run
Speaker 11: it in himself or dump it to a tight end.
Speaker 2: Or No, I would do the tush push from the two, yeah,
Speaker 2: from the three maybe, and they already had that wrinkle,
Speaker 2: as we like to say, they had that wrinkle where
Speaker 2: they fake the tush push and then somebody takes the
Speaker 2: ball and runs it in.
Speaker 8: Yes, that tush push was originally handled by Crappensburg
Speaker 2: State oh oh Okay blue Bloop Crappensburg State Final hour
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