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Speaker 1: Welcome back to she Pivots. I'm Shazi Vistrom.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to she Pivots, the podcast where we talk with

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Speaker 2: women who dared to pivot out of one career and

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Speaker 2: into something new and explore how their personal lives impacted

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Speaker 2: these decisions. I'm your host, Emily Tish Sussman. Today we

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Speaker 2: have a truly inspiring guest who's revolutionized the way we

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Speaker 2: think about children's nutrition and wellness. Shazi Visram is the

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Speaker 2: founder of both Happy Family and Healthy Baby. You know

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Speaker 2: those puffs that you see all over every playground. The

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Speaker 2: premise of this show is to share the stories of

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Speaker 2: how our personal lives influence our professional lives, and Shazi's

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Speaker 2: is one that is all too familiar to many people.

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Speaker 2: She felt the pressures of the Sandwich generation. At the

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Speaker 2: height of her company's success, her son was diagnosed with autism,

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Speaker 2: while at the same time, her father was diagnosed with Alzheimer's.

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Speaker 2: Before she knew it, she was juggling doctors and therapists

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Speaker 2: with business meetings and high profile commercials. It all became

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Speaker 2: too much, so she made the decision to sell her company,

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Speaker 2: a decision she's not sure she's fully at peace with.

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Speaker 3: To this day.

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Speaker 2: But in that doubt came a new idea, a new

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Speaker 2: way of thinking about baby products, and a drive to

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Speaker 2: do more. Shazi threw herself into researching anything and everything

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Speaker 2: she could about autism and how to help her baby boy,

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Speaker 2: who she felt like she was losing. Determined and dedicated,

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Speaker 2: Shazi's first major pivot happened. She decided to sell the

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Speaker 2: With a new drive, Shazi was determined to create a

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Speaker 2: business that holistically addressed a baby's wellness. Having sold her

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Speaker 2: company to Denne, a food brand, her options were limited,

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Speaker 2: so she made her second major pivot. She started an

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Speaker 2: entirely new company, Healthy Baby, this time to make products

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Speaker 2: like diapers and formula and more to make sure that

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Speaker 2: personal and a testament to how the most difficult and

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Speaker 2: personal parts of our lives impact our professional decision making.

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Speaker 2: So get ready to be inspired as we dive into

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Speaker 2: the incredible journey of Shazi Visram, from the challenges she

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Speaker 1: Enjoy I'm Shazi. I am a reluctant, serial entrepreneur and

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Speaker 1: a mom of two and a fighter.

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Speaker 3: Amazing, Okay, perfect.

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Speaker 2: I can't wait to get into all of those definitions

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Speaker 2: of you that reluctant, but I just want to back

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Speaker 2: up so we can set the scene a little bit

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Speaker 2: that you were born in Canada, y Toronto, and your

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Speaker 2: parents had a convenience store there.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, well they've actually so when we moved Toronto.

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Speaker 1: My dad was from Tanzania and my mom was from Pakistan.

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Speaker 1: My mom was actually one of the first women in

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Speaker 1: all of Pakistan that was was like a doctor, but

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Speaker 1: as they moved around, she was like a bedpan changing

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Speaker 1: nurse at maximum and my dad was very, very charming,

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Speaker 1: an arrangementge moved to London. My brother was were there

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Speaker 1: up enough money because in their mind, unless you work

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Speaker 1: And so they bought this convenience store, and then that's where, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that's when like my mom started learning how

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Speaker 1: every once in a while they'd meet Americans, and that

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Speaker 1: they just like love. They just wanted to be in America.

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Speaker 2: Soon they realized that dream when they moved down to Alabama,

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Speaker 1: They bought the motel from a guy I think his

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Speaker 2: But it was home for Shasi. And despite the grid

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Speaker 1: The staff is like your community. I remember this guy Angelo,

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Speaker 2: Despite the quirkiness of the life her parents had made

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Speaker 1: My parents like, the one thing that they were adamant

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Speaker 1: Lydia Locker. Like the formative years, I loved learning. I

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Speaker 1: loved reading. She would read us The Lion, the Witch,

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Speaker 1: like Mummy and my friend Robin says that that no

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Speaker 1: Next by the time I got to Columbia, I just

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Speaker 1: wanted to be an artist, which you know, clearly I'm

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Speaker 2: Look at it, I'm sure I do. I think that backgrounds,

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Speaker 1: I was saying, how baby should have the best first

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Speaker 1: on to study visual arts in undergrad Why art? Well,

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Speaker 1: Well, I was a little rebellious. Well, I just had

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Speaker 1: You know, given the weight of what I had on

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Speaker 1: You know, this very processed food wasn't even organic, and

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's super interesting that you went all in

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Speaker 2: from somebody else's experience that you saw. Like, I feel

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Speaker 1: Yeah. That's my second company, but my first one was

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Speaker 1: based on insight, and I think being in the environment

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Speaker 2: At the start, Shazi was cooking, packing, and shipping everything

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Speaker 5: In that first year thanks to Whole Foods, but sales

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for coming. I loved having her.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: embrace their pivots to shop. Visit healthybaby dot com and

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