Speaker 1: Hey, Elliott cool Lea's caller. You've got there. Thanks be.
Speaker 1: I'm wearing an honor of your honor Ruth Bader Ginsburg,
Speaker 1: who's one of the people will be talking about today.
Speaker 1: I yes, Ruth Bader the Gator Ginsburg as they called her.
Speaker 1: Nobody called her that well. I'm excited to learn more
Speaker 1: about her and about Moses, which, don't be confused, is
Speaker 1: the nickname for Harriet Tubman. My jaw dropped. Reading about
Speaker 1: all the things Harriet did in her lifetime, and Ruth
Speaker 1: Bader Ginsburg too, it'd be easier for us to list
Speaker 1: the things they didn't do. Please let the record reflect
Speaker 1: I do not support the idea of listing things women
Speaker 1: didn't do as a podcast episode. We shouldn't to strike
Speaker 1: it from the record. It's a turn of phrase. You're
Speaker 1: out of order. You're out of order. You can't handle
Speaker 1: the truth. Eric, we are running out of law talk.
Speaker 1: Please play us in what do you think you know
Speaker 1: about the Grates? The game is one you brockle up
Speaker 1: your brain because it's time to places podcast. Because it's
Speaker 1: sound of flavor. Who I from? John g Land or
Speaker 1: so called so call Los Angeles, Welcome to Who Was
Speaker 1: the history quiz show that gives contestants the chance to
Speaker 1: win mega prizes and podcast Lorie, I'm your announcer, Frisbee Beatrice,
Speaker 1: and here's your host. He's a hint in search of
Speaker 1: a cross word. It's Elliott Kaylin. Thank you be and
Speaker 1: welcome everyone to the Who Was Podcast? The show It's
Speaker 1: like Jeopardy, only with surprise guests, silly games, and better snacks. Frankly,
Speaker 1: our contestants were sent who Was books about two great
Speaker 1: figures from history. Now they're here to show off their
Speaker 1: knowledge and the hopes of winning fantastic rises fantastic Today
Speaker 1: we'll be learning all about Harriet Tubman and Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
Speaker 1: But before we get to know them, let's get to
Speaker 1: know our contestants. First up, we have THEO. THEO, please
Speaker 1: introduce yourself. Hi, I'm theF and I like playing video
Speaker 1: games and cats. You like playing video games with cats
Speaker 1: or the video games about cats? Or or they forecasts?
Speaker 1: Is a video game prize a cat? I haven't played
Speaker 1: a video game in a while, um, maybe some himes.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much to you. And then up next
Speaker 1: we have Charlie. Charlie, please introduce yourself. Hi, I'm Charlie.
Speaker 1: I like writing songs. Can you tell us the title
Speaker 1: of a song that you wrote recently? UM, give you
Speaker 1: this warning, give you this warning. Oh what was that
Speaker 1: song about? It's about global warming? As you can maybe
Speaker 1: imagine how it's coming together. Wow, So you're not just
Speaker 1: You're not just a musician and plays lethala. You've got
Speaker 1: something to say. You've got an important message on your mind.
Speaker 1: Wo Yeah, because I because every now and then I
Speaker 1: write songs, but the songs are usually like I'm a
Speaker 1: little hungry, what's in the fridge. Let's take a look
Speaker 1: and see turkey. I guess I'm having turkey. Is that
Speaker 1: that's the kind of song that you do? Or yours
Speaker 1: is a little bit more high minded than that? I think,
Speaker 1: not normally maybe like once every two years I did, Elliott.
Speaker 1: I'm hearing that Charlie is open to um collaborating with
Speaker 1: you on songs. That's what I'm hearing. Yeah, let's say
Speaker 1: we can get this this collaboration started. This is the
Speaker 1: new Lennon McCartney is Charlie and Elliott the sandwich of rock.
Speaker 1: Thank you both for being here. Thank you to Eric,
Speaker 1: our musician providing that wonderful met the contestants music and
Speaker 1: all the music in our show today. So that's who is.
Speaker 1: Now let's find out who was Harriet Tubman with four
Speaker 1: fast facts. Harriet Tubman was called the Moses of her people.
Speaker 1: She escaped from slavery and helped others escape. She was
Speaker 1: a spy and a commander of intelligence operations for the
Speaker 1: Union Army during the Civil War. She was a best
Speaker 1: selling author. Harriet Tubman is best remembered for her work
Speaker 1: on the Underground Railroad at, network of secret routes and
Speaker 1: safe houses established in the US before the Civil War
Speaker 1: used by enslaved people to escape to free States and Canada. Yes,
Speaker 1: as a conductor, Harriet helped close to one people to freedom.
Speaker 1: But that was just the beginning. And now let's learn
Speaker 1: more about her with our first game. We have a
Speaker 1: very special guest here to help us out. That's right,
Speaker 1: the Moses of her people, herself, Harriet Tubman in person. Hello, everyone,
Speaker 1: it's me Harriet Tubman. Harriet, I have to ask, how
Speaker 1: did you reach us today? I've just used the who
Speaker 1: was who was wandering in the best No one knows
Speaker 1: how it works, but we're glad it does. Definitely Harriet,
Speaker 1: would you tell us a little about the game you're
Speaker 1: here to share with us and our contestants today. It's
Speaker 1: called backpack from the pack past. I have my backpack
Speaker 1: and it contains some of my personal objects. I'm going
Speaker 1: to describe those objects for our contestants and the listeners
Speaker 1: at home. Contestants, you tell us what part of my
Speaker 1: life the object is from? All right? THEO Here is
Speaker 1: the first object. It's a quilt. What is the story
Speaker 1: behind this quilt? Um? So, Harriet Tubman actually married a
Speaker 1: man named John, and I think they were gonna move. Uh.
Speaker 1: She showed a quilt that took her a very long time,
Speaker 1: and that was her most prized possession, and when she
Speaker 1: was escaping her enslavement, she actually gave that quilte to
Speaker 1: one of the ladies that helped her. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: A ten percent. That is correst way to go to
Speaker 1: you that thank you. I'm very impressed to you. You
Speaker 1: are absolutely right. I made this quilt from my first
Speaker 1: marriage to John Tubman. After we married, I told John
Speaker 1: I was escaping from slavery, and he told me he
Speaker 1: wasn't going to leave with me, even though he was
Speaker 1: a free man. I left without it and gave this
Speaker 1: quilt as a gift to a Quaker woman who helped
Speaker 1: me escape. Charlie Europe. I'm holding here a few plants.
Speaker 1: They are water lily and Craigsville Charlie. Why does Harriet
Speaker 1: have these plants in her backpack? Okay, so Harriet also
Speaker 1: became a nurse and a lot of people were feeling
Speaker 1: sick at the time, and so she used some plants
Speaker 1: that she had learned from her mother and use them
Speaker 1: to heal people. That is right. I learned from my
Speaker 1: mother and my father. They taught me how to use
Speaker 1: roots and plants to cure diseases. When I was a
Speaker 1: nurse in the Union Army, I helped cure dysentery using
Speaker 1: those plants. Oh my, this bag is getting a little
Speaker 1: heavy heavy. That's weird. It's just a backpack with what
Speaker 1: is it? What's in that bag? Who? It's a full
Speaker 1: sized fishing boat, Eric Rudder, Sorry THEO don't worry about
Speaker 1: how Harriet managed to fit a full sized fishing boat
Speaker 1: into this very tiny backpack. Just tell us why does
Speaker 1: Harriet have a full sized fishing boat in her very
Speaker 1: tiny backpack? I'm not exactly sure, but there's a couple
Speaker 1: of reasons why she might. But one of the reasons
Speaker 1: I think why it might be a fishing boat is
Speaker 1: because she helped her sister's family escape Um from enslavement
Speaker 1: and they sailed down the river in the fishing boat.
Speaker 1: But there's another part where she used a boat to
Speaker 1: like attack Confederate basis Um during the Civil War. You're
Speaker 1: pretty much on the right track, po As one of
Speaker 1: the missions for the Underground Railroad, I helped my sister
Speaker 1: Mary and her family escaped slavery by boat. Okay, Now
Speaker 1: the next item, Huh, this last subject is really obscure.
Speaker 1: Why what do you mean by obscure? What do you
Speaker 1: mean by that? It's the North Star? The North Star
Speaker 1: in a backpack. Now I've seen everything. Okay, So she's
Speaker 1: the North Star in her backpack because when she was
Speaker 1: trying to escape from slavery, runaway slaves would follow of
Speaker 1: the North Star because they knew it leads them north.
Speaker 1: And in the north northern parts of America, UM slavery
Speaker 1: was banned, so they were safe there. That's right, Charlie.
Speaker 1: My father taught me howse five the North Star. He said,
Speaker 1: the star which was right next to the Big Dipper
Speaker 1: was a guiding light for enslaved people to lead them
Speaker 1: north to freedom. And you know what, my backpack is empty,
Speaker 1: so that means the game is over the baby. Wow,
Speaker 1: that was an amazing backpack from the past. And producer
Speaker 1: Jane will tell you the scores right after this short crave,
Speaker 1: we're back with the Who Was Podcast. Let's go to
Speaker 1: producer Jane, who's been keeping score telling it all up. Jane,
Speaker 1: what does that make our score? Thanks for asking, Elliott.
Speaker 1: It's all tied up with THEO two points, Charlie two points.
Speaker 1: Why don't evenly matched? Game twota two tied up? This
Speaker 1: is what we in the History Quiz podcast for kids
Speaker 1: Biz call tie So thank you Jane and Harriet, thank
Speaker 1: you so much for joining us today. We really appreciate
Speaker 1: it my pleasure. Uh be you'll get into plants I
Speaker 1: had in my backpack. Well, um, I had a little
Speaker 1: tummy ache and I figured if these plants could cure dysentery,
Speaker 1: it wouldn't hurt to try them out for myself. All right, Well,
Speaker 1: if those don't work, you could also try ginger or
Speaker 1: mint and be layoff the fussy foods until you feel there. Wow.
Speaker 1: Thanks Harriet, of course, and thank you who was that? Who?
Speaker 1: That was so cool? Harriet Tubman never ceases to amaze me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and she's right, I should probably lay off all these
Speaker 1: red bots. But what can I say? I love those
Speaker 1: spicy cinnamony kind of gross heart shaped candies. It's just
Speaker 1: my thing. Speaking of spicy, let's find out who was
Speaker 1: Ruth Bader Ginsburg with four fast facts prospects. Ruth Bader
Speaker 1: Ginsburg was the first Jewish woman to serve on the
Speaker 1: Supreme Court. She built her career on gender equality. She
Speaker 1: fought for equal pay for women, and she won her
Speaker 1: seat on the Court with a nineties six to three
Speaker 1: majority from the Senate Proscots. You know, RVG really has
Speaker 1: a special place in people's hearts. My cousin Steve has
Speaker 1: an experimental noise rock band called Sonic Ruth. Now, before
Speaker 1: we get into the next game, we thought it might
Speaker 1: be helpful for producer Jane to give a brief overview
Speaker 1: of what exactly the Supreme Court is that Ruth Bader
Speaker 1: Ginsburg was on. Just so we're on the same page, Jane,
Speaker 1: please enlighten us. Thanks for asking. J Eliott. The Supreme
Speaker 1: Court is the High Court in the US for all
Speaker 1: cases and controversies under the Constitution. The Supreme Court currently
Speaker 1: consists of twelve judges. A decision about a case is
Speaker 1: made when the majority of the judge's vote in one way.
Speaker 1: An individual justice can agree with the decision or disagree,
Speaker 1: which is called a dissent. Thank you, Jane. Okay, now
Speaker 1: that we know what the court is, let's get into
Speaker 1: the next game, and it's called checking my notes, Agree, dissent, pass, Agree. Okay.
Speaker 1: As Jane mentioned, justices can agree with the decision or
Speaker 1: they can disagree and dissent. We're gonna give you each
Speaker 1: thirty seconds to get through as many statements about Ruth
Speaker 1: Peter Ginsburgh as you can. If you agree with the
Speaker 1: statement if it's true, say agree. If you disagree with
Speaker 1: the statement because maybe it's false, say dissent. And if
Speaker 1: you have no idea at all, say pass, and we
Speaker 1: will just keep moving on. Does that make sense? You
Speaker 1: got it? Yes, Charlie, the you understand. Do you need
Speaker 1: me to go over it again? No? I haven't been good. Okay,
Speaker 1: I will so, as Jane mentioned, oh no, let's just
Speaker 1: keep going. Okay. Yeah, So, Charlie, are you ready because
Speaker 1: you're a first yes on your market, gets set go.
Speaker 1: Ruth Bader Ginsberg's full maiden name was Jane. Ruth Bader
Speaker 1: agreed to cent or pass um. Was it Jane? Did
Speaker 1: you see Jean? Yes? I said that, okay. Descent it
Speaker 1: was Joan, yes, right. Ruth grew up in Queens, New York. Descent.
Speaker 1: She lived in a little neighborhood with a lot of immigrants.
Speaker 1: But I'm not exactly sure where it was, but you
Speaker 1: just sent You're right. It was Brooklyn, okay. Growing up,
Speaker 1: Ruth's dream place was the Brooklyn Academy of Music. Agreed,
Speaker 1: descent or pass agreed and time. All right, that was great, Charlie,
Speaker 1: that was great. Thank you all right? You are you ready? Yeah? Okay,
Speaker 1: everybody on your mark gets set okay. Though she was tiny,
Speaker 1: Ruth chose to play the tuba in high school. Agreed
Speaker 1: to cent or pass dessent. She played the cella. I
Speaker 1: think yeah. Ruth couldn't play sports in high school because
Speaker 1: she was not athletic. Agreed to center pass dissent. She
Speaker 1: couldn't play sports because they didn't allow females to play sports.
Speaker 1: Ruth Pader Ginsburgh's nickname was r B. G agreed descent
Speaker 1: or pass. RBG were different collars that reflected if she
Speaker 1: agreed or dissented on a Supreme Court decision. Agreed to
Speaker 1: center pass and that's time. Here come the judge time.
Speaker 1: I have to say you guys, you are fast on
Speaker 1: the answers and also very well spoken and full of explanations.
Speaker 1: Producer Jane. Where does that leave us? With the scores?
Speaker 1: Charlie has five points, while Few has scooted ahead with
Speaker 1: six points. Thank you, Jane. Still such an incredibly close game.
Speaker 1: The game's not over yet, is it? No, it's not.
Speaker 1: These two contestants are both so smart. It's still anyone's game.
Speaker 1: Even blind Justice can see that this is going to
Speaker 1: be a photo finish. You know, I'm learning so much
Speaker 1: more about RBG and Harriet Tubman. But what on earth
Speaker 1: do they have in common? We'll get to know exactly
Speaker 1: that coming up right after this break. Hey, Who Was Ours?
Speaker 1: I want to share a fun fact we missed. Do
Speaker 1: you have an idea for an episode? I will explain
Speaker 1: bitcoin to me. What I'm trying to say is we
Speaker 1: want to hear from you, So send us an email
Speaker 1: or voice memo at the Who Was? Podcast? At gmail
Speaker 1: dot com. Starter, Welcome back to the Who Was Podcast.
Speaker 1: Today it's all about Harriet Tubman and Ruth Bader Ginsberg.
Speaker 1: When we last left off, the score was Charlie with
Speaker 1: five points, an Theo with six and now back to
Speaker 1: our host, Elliott Kalin. Thank you so much. Be Now
Speaker 1: it's time for our final game, the deciding game of
Speaker 1: the episode, and it's called Converge of Greatness. I always
Speaker 1: feel so inspired by the Converge of Greatness music. In
Speaker 1: this multiple choice game, we will read statements where Harriet
Speaker 1: and Ruth's accomplishments and lives intersect or converge. You will
Speaker 1: pick the answer that best answers the statement. Okay, THEO
Speaker 1: you are up first, You're ready? Yeah. Both Harriet and
Speaker 1: Ruth had more nicknames than we have time to cover.
Speaker 1: Which one of the following is a nickname one of
Speaker 1: them had that we haven't mentioned yet. A minty be
Speaker 1: old Writ or see Sasha fierce A. That's right, the
Speaker 1: answer is a minty. Harriet Tubman's birth name was Araminta,
Speaker 1: and Minty is what her family called her. Old Writ
Speaker 1: was Harriet's mother's nickname, and Sasha Fierce is of course
Speaker 1: future Supreme Court Justice Beyonce's Alterrigo. Next question, Charlie Ruth
Speaker 1: and Harriet Tubman both stood up for what they believed in,
Speaker 1: even if it meant squaring off with powerful people. Harriet
Speaker 1: once stood between an enslaved man who was escaping and
Speaker 1: his overseer, even though she was only thirteen. The altercation
Speaker 1: left her with a a note on her permanent record
Speaker 1: be scar on her forehead or see a broken arm
Speaker 1: the scar on her forehead. That's right. The answers be
Speaker 1: the overseer through a weight at the escaping man, but
Speaker 1: hit Harriet on the head instead. The weight left a
Speaker 1: scar on her head, and the injury gave her sleeping spells,
Speaker 1: but she was able to fight through those and lead
Speaker 1: many people to freedom in the middle of the night.
Speaker 1: The next question is for THEO. Harriet Tubman used the
Speaker 1: north Star to guide be able to freedom, but who
Speaker 1: did Ruth Bader Ginsberg considered to be her north star
Speaker 1: or guiding light throughout her Was it a Harriet Dublin,
Speaker 1: be Amelia Earhart or see her mother Celia M I'll
Speaker 1: have to go at se that's right. The answer is
Speaker 1: see her mother Celia, who had marched for women's voting
Speaker 1: rights and raised Ruth to be independent and more than anything,
Speaker 1: wanted her to have a good education. That would have
Speaker 1: been pretty amazing If the answer was Harriet Tubman, right,
Speaker 1: it would have been a really perfect end of the episode.
Speaker 1: But the episodes not over yet. Yeah, final question is
Speaker 1: for you, Charlie. Both Ruth and Harriet were known for
Speaker 1: certain accessories, which one of the following was not one
Speaker 1: of them A a pin, be a nose ring, or
Speaker 1: see a headscarf. Be neither of them had nose rings.
Speaker 1: That's right. The answer is be a nose ring, although
Speaker 1: to be honest, either one of them could totally pull
Speaker 1: it off. They both had amazing style. Yeah, and super confidence.
Speaker 1: It takes confidence and they both had it totally. Now,
Speaker 1: while we wait for Jane to tell you the final points, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd really love to hear from you, the contestants. Is
Speaker 1: there something that you were surprised or impressed or particularly
Speaker 1: I just thought it was cool when you learned about
Speaker 1: Ruth Beader Ginsburg or Harriet Tubman A THEO uh you
Speaker 1: go first? Is what really stuck with you about either
Speaker 1: Harriet Tubman or Ruth Bader Ginsburg. So with Ruth, Beta
Speaker 1: Ginsburg Um. The fact that she never retired and that
Speaker 1: she was still doing workouts every day in the morning
Speaker 1: from the age of like over ninety um really impressed me.
Speaker 1: And I really look up to that and her commitment. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's inspiring. It makes me want to continue working
Speaker 1: out when I'm in my nineties. But I don't even
Speaker 1: work out now, so I bet, yes, I better get started. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it inspires me that Elliott should work out now. Thank you.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that be Yeah, that's it's good advice and
Speaker 1: I'll try to take it. And Charlie, what about you?
Speaker 1: Is there anything that when you read about Harriet Tubman,
Speaker 1: Ruth ber Ginsbrigk that really stuck out to you and
Speaker 1: made you think or go that's amazing, or go or
Speaker 1: go hilarious or have some react and too. Um. I
Speaker 1: think I asked to agree with CEO that it is
Speaker 1: absolutely crazy that she never retired and she worked out
Speaker 1: her whole life. Also, Ruth Vader Ginsberg made up to
Speaker 1: mind that she wanted to get street A's and succeeded.
Speaker 1: I think both of those things are very important and
Speaker 1: very very interesting. I think so too. It really shows
Speaker 1: you that you can accomplish such amazing things when you
Speaker 1: tell yourself I'm going to do this, I'm going to
Speaker 1: focus on it and I'm gonna make it happen, and
Speaker 1: I'm not going to stop because let me tell you,
Speaker 1: I said, and I was in school, I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: straight a's, and then I kind of forgot and started
Speaker 1: watching a lot of TV and did not have food
Speaker 1: be I assume you mostly got a's orbs and that's
Speaker 1: your name came from A. Yeah. In keeping in a theme,
Speaker 1: I got all bees and you did, but you did
Speaker 1: it on purpose in a way that's even more impressive
Speaker 1: to do the exact work that we get you a
Speaker 1: B rather than just do the best work and get
Speaker 1: may listen, Um, you know you and my mom are close. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I hope that. I hope that can explain that to
Speaker 1: her one day, because she still brings it up with me.
Speaker 1: Charlie Theo, thank you so much for sharing this with us.
Speaker 1: That's really amazing. Oh but now I'm seeing from producer
Speaker 1: Jane that this is the big moment. Jane, please announce
Speaker 1: our winner for us. Who is the winner of this
Speaker 1: episode of the Who Was? Podcast? Oh? Elliot and what
Speaker 1: will be a slight heartbreak for Charlie who at seven
Speaker 1: points THEO actually got eight. With eight points, theol is
Speaker 1: our winner. Great job you, congratulations the Charlie. You played
Speaker 1: a fantastic game. This is a super close game. Both
Speaker 1: of you have a lot to be proud of. THEO.
Speaker 1: You're gonna get ten seconds for your personal shout outs.
Speaker 1: You get ten seconds to just thank whoever you want
Speaker 1: to thank. Go ahead, THEO. Who do you want to
Speaker 1: shout out to? I would like to shout out Charlie
Speaker 1: for being such a great competitor. UM, good job, it
Speaker 1: was a close match. Thank you to UM, Elliott, Be
Speaker 1: and Jane for hosting this UM, and shout out to
Speaker 1: my cat. Yeah, thank you so much, and I feel
Speaker 1: so proud to be on the same level as your cat.
Speaker 1: You and your school library will be receiving a set
Speaker 1: of Who Was books. I'm going to give a shout
Speaker 1: out myself to intern Zach, Jane, Eric Lekendra Tooks for
Speaker 1: being our Harriet Tuppan and of course to be And
Speaker 1: a big thank you to both of our contestants who
Speaker 1: played an amazing game, And an even bigger thank you
Speaker 1: to you listening to this right now, join us next week,
Speaker 1: We're gonna find out who the next two exciting historical
Speaker 1: figures are in the Who Was Podcast? Until then, this
Speaker 1: is Elliott Peter Ginsberg saying we are history. Got a
Speaker 1: question for any of our famous figures, Send us a
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Speaker 1: Elliot Klin with co host Megan O'Neill as being also
Speaker 1: starring Jane Acer as Producer, Jane Eric shackneez Eric, and
Speaker 1: Lekendra Tooks as Harriet Tubman. The executive producers are Richard Corson,
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