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Speaker 1: Please play us in what do you think you know

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Speaker 1: about the Grates? The game is one you brockle up

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Speaker 1: your brain because it's time to places podcast. Because it's

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Speaker 1: sound of flavor. Who I from? John g Land or

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Speaker 1: so called so call Los Angeles, Welcome to Who Was

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Speaker 1: the history quiz show that gives contestants the chance to

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Speaker 1: win mega prizes and podcast Lorie, I'm your announcer, Frisbee Beatrice,

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Speaker 1: and here's your host. He's a hint in search of

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Speaker 1: a cross word. It's Elliott Kaylin. Thank you be and

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Speaker 1: welcome everyone to the Who Was Podcast? The show It's

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Speaker 1: like Jeopardy, only with surprise guests, silly games, and better snacks. Frankly,

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Speaker 1: our contestants were sent who Was books about two great

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Speaker 1: we'll be learning all about Harriet Tubman and Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

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Speaker 1: I like writing songs. Can you tell us the title

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Speaker 1: Now let's find out who was Harriet Tubman with four

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Speaker 1: fast facts. Harriet Tubman was called the Moses of her people.

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