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Speaker 1: Fresh episode of Fish Bites. It's Eli Susman here coming

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Speaker 1: to you, believe it or not, at the beginning of

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Speaker 1: the final Marlins homestand of the twenty twenty season. Fifteen

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Speaker 1: games over eleven days, a whole quarter of their schedule

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Speaker 1: in a single homestand it makes no sense, It has

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Speaker 1: no precedent, so we are very excited to cover it

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Speaker 1: for you here on the podcast, our website Fishtripes dot com,

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Speaker 1: on Twitter, on Instagram, on YouTube. You know where to

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Speaker 1: find us there, and of course by sending our staff

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Speaker 1: to Little Havana for credentialed coverage of every single game

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Speaker 1: of this situation. In particular, we are honing in on

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Speaker 1: the first half of this homestand all against the rival

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia Affilies, unlike any other series in franchise history, seven

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Speaker 1: head to head games in five days between two teams

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Speaker 1: that have been close in the standings for most of

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Speaker 1: this season. And I want to be as thorough as

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Speaker 1: possible in previewing this, and so I am overjoyed to

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Speaker 1: be joined by Alex Carr from The Good Fight. He

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Speaker 1: covers the Phillies about as closely as anybody, and he's

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Speaker 1: equally fired up for the series and what it means

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Speaker 1: for both these teams. Alex, it is the second week

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Speaker 1: of September and the Phillies are in playoff position. How

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Speaker 1: does it feel.

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Speaker 2: It feels pretty goody Low. I'm not gonna lie. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I kind of expected them to be in this position,

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Speaker 2: especially with sixteen teams going into the playoffs, you know,

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Speaker 2: and that's not to say I was overly confident with

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Speaker 2: to say that the fan base was under confident, but

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Speaker 2: I think this team on paper has always been really,

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Speaker 2: really good, and they really just needed to hit a stride,

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Speaker 2: which they did, you know, last week and the week

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Speaker 2: before that, winning ten out of eleven and then going

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Speaker 2: on a little bit of a skid, but getting back

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Speaker 2: on track with you know all, they really needed to

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Speaker 2: solidify themselves here in, as you said, playoff contention and

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Speaker 2: on Psyche that I get to winness it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you get a little assist. Of course, Marlins fans

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Speaker 1: get an even bigger one from the expanded playoff format

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Speaker 1: this year, the fact that eight teams from the National League,

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Speaker 1: there's a chance that both these teams get in. It's

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Speaker 1: almost certain that one of these teams will get in,

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Speaker 1: and that's a big deal. Because we have not been

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Speaker 1: here in a long time for the Phillies, almost a

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Speaker 1: decade for the Marlins, almost two decades since we've had

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Speaker 1: in the October baseball and you tweeted, you know, just

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Speaker 1: a few hours ago, the upcoming seven game series with

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Speaker 1: the infamous Miami Marlins will quite literally define the Phillies season.

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Speaker 1: It's a big deal. And that's why I have gotten

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Speaker 1: to labeling this like looking forward to this series as

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Speaker 1: its own pseudo playoff series in itself, a playoff before

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Speaker 1: the playoff twenty twenty Marlins Phillies Championship Series the MPCs

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Speaker 1: hows that sounds like got there's so much on the line. Oh, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: I mean you would with an actual playoff series.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is as important as I mean, this is

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Speaker 2: the Marlins have had all year. I mean I dubbed

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Speaker 2: It is unquestionably the most important series of either of

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm really really looking forward to it, primarily just

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Speaker 2: they've got, and I think there's been a little complacency

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Speaker 2: And same to be said for the Marlins. I think

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Speaker 1: We're going to start by setting the scene and just

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Speaker 3: Runners on the corners, one out, Rojas off to a

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Speaker 4: And the reason I say that is because the Marlins

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Speaker 1: And then immediately after that, I mean, both teams seasons

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Speaker 2: in his career. It just didn't make a lot of sense.

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Speaker 2: But he's been fine for the team, which which I

432
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Speaker 2: guess I'm okay with. So that's where I stand on

433
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,200
Speaker 2: that one. But as for the trade they made with

434
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Speaker 2: the Red Sox, they got Heath Hembry and Brandon Workman.

435
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Speaker 2: They traded Connor Seabolt and Nick Pavetta, the infamous Nick Pavetta.

436
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Speaker 2: For those two guys, I was pretty okay with that trade. Actually,

437
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 2: Connor Seabold is one of those guys, a low stuff,

438
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 2: you know, back end starter type with really good command.

439
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 2: I really wish they'd hung on, because it's never too

440
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 2: bad to have too much pitching depth. But he was

441
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Speaker 2: another guy that was Rule five eligible this upcoming year,

442
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Speaker 2: and you know, it is what it is. You got

443
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Speaker 2: to give up to get I suppose, so they definitely

444
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,679
Speaker 2: gave up. But then Nick Povetta was a guy, you know,

445
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 2: he was almost out of minor league options. He was

446
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 2: obviously not going to succeed in Philadelphia, so they had

447
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 2: to cut him loose, and they did so by getting

448
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 2: some value out of him. So I'm okay with that.

449
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:30,159
Speaker 2: As for the relievers themselves, Hembry has had a lot

450
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Speaker 2: of trouble with limiting home runs. He has given up

451
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Speaker 2: I think four or five home runs in his five

452
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 2: innings pitch five or so innings pitched, and he gave

453
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Speaker 2: up another run last night. You know, he is a

454
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Speaker 2: guy that I look at and I see a lot

455
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Speaker 2: of upside. He's got good stuff, He's got decent velocity.

456
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Speaker 2: You know, a fastball that touches ninety six, ninety seven.

457
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 2: He touched ninety nine yesterday, I think, which was way

458
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Speaker 2: out of the ordinary for him. But you know, he

459
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 2: can dial it up at times. He's got a nice

460
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Speaker 2: breaking ball that he uh, you know, commands well. And

461
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Speaker 2: he made a really good first impression, but after that

462
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 2: it was it was all downhill. That said, I don't

463
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Speaker 2: think that's gonna be a normal thing for him. He

464
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Speaker 2: was really really good with the Red Sox until the

465
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 2: Phillies kind of ate him alive when they saw him

466
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 2: in that first doubleheader they had with the Red Sox.

467
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Speaker 2: But I think I think he'll start to settle in

468
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 2: in this last half of the season. And as for Workmen,

469
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 2: I mean, Workman is allowing a lot of runners on base.

470
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Speaker 2: I mean he's walking some guys struggling with commands. He's

471
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Speaker 2: he's definitely placing everything a bit too far up at

472
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Speaker 2: this current moment in time. So you know, his curve

473
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:45,919
Speaker 2: ball is sitting up, his his cutters sitting up, and

474
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 2: his fastball is sitting up. But he's been pretty good,

475
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 2: I mean in saved situations. He's I don't know if

476
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 2: he's even blown one yet. I don't have the numbers

477
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Speaker 2: in front of me, but he he has been pretty

478
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Speaker 2: solid and he's definitely over these last two innings. I mean,

479
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 2: he's had two really clean outings in a row thus far.

480
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 2: So he seems to be like the go to closer

481
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Speaker 2: at the current moment in time, and I can't complain

482
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 2: about it. He's been pretty good. You know. Last year

483
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 2: was obviously his best year ever, had the lowest opponent's

484
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 2: batting average of all time for a pitcher that's pitched

485
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 2: more than seventy plus innings, So that was pretty cool.

486
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Speaker 2: And to get him, you know, when this team is

487
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 2: so dead set on making a playoff push, I think

488
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,679
Speaker 2: is a big deal. So if he can kind of

489
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 2: keep on keep on doing what he's been doing the

490
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 2: last couple of outings, I think he'll be really really effective,

491
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Speaker 2: especially in this series. And then the last one they

492
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Speaker 2: got was David Phelps, who Joji already had some familiarity with,

493
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 2: and he's a guy that is coming back from Tommy

494
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 2: John surgery but has been one of the most well.

495
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Speaker 2: When he was traded, he was one of the most

496
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 2: dominant relievers of the year. I mean, he his savant

497
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 2: page was you know, exploding with with red color, which

498
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,719
Speaker 2: is which is a good sign. But yeah, he's been

499
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 2: really good at limiting hard contact. Or he was prior

500
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 2: to coming to the Philly and was striking out his

501
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 2: fair share guys. He was, he was doing really well

502
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 2: with commanding his stuff and had strikeing out many of

503
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 2: the batters that he was facing. Unfortunately, upon coming to Philadelphia,

504
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 2: he has allowed two home runs, two big home runs,

505
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:34,239
Speaker 2: and has been struggling, to say the least. He has

506
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 2: definitely not been commanding the ball like he was in Milwaukee,

507
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 2: and he's been, you know, not the lockdown, seventh inning

508
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 2: guy that I really expected him to be. But that said,

509
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,199
Speaker 2: they really did not give up a whole lot for

510
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 2: him in terms of proven talent. They gave up three

511
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 2: lottery tickets guys whose names I don't exactly have in

512
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 2: front of me. That's how kind of obscure they were.

513
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 2: Because I'm a pretty devout minor league, you know, minor

514
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 2: league baseball follower in general, I follow a lot of

515
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 2: you know, the top prospects around the league, and these

516
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 2: guys were, you know, I had their scouting reports come

517
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 2: across my desk maybe once ever, which was kind of crazy,

518
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 2: but you know, it's one of those situations where the

519
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 2: Brewers definitely put all their chips on on quantity and

520
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 2: and on upside. It was very similar to what they

521
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 2: did when they traded Adam Lynde all those years ago,

522
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 2: and they got Freddy Farosta in that deal. So you

523
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 2: know that's you take that for what it's worth, but

524
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 2: you know, they they gave up three lottery tickets for

525
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 2: a really well proven reliever with a cheap team option

526
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 2: for next year that I expect the club to pick

527
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 2: up no matter how bad Phelps is for the remainder

528
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 2: of the year, because I think Phelps is that good.

529
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Speaker 2: He's had a lot of really really strong seasons in

530
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 2: his career, in his long career, and many of them

531
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 2: were with very competitive teams. So I'm I'm really excited

532
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 2: to have him. I think he is going to start

533
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 2: coming back down to earth a little bit for better

534
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 2: and for worse.

535
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: Uh.

536
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 2: He might, you know, start letting up a few more

537
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 2: hits here and there, but I don't think, you know,

538
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 2: the home runs he's been allowing or are going to

539
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 2: be an issue that proliferates. And I think he's going

540
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 2: to be that that go to seventh inning guy that

541
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 2: will bridge the gap between Hector and Harris and Brandon Workman. Uh.

542
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 2: So yeah, those are the poor guys they went out

543
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 2: and acquired all things considered, they didn't give up a lot, uh,

544
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 2: and they they brought in a lot of really good

545
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 2: relief talent. Uh, and I'm excited about that. I think

546
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 2: you got to give Matt Clintax some credit where it

547
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 2: is due. Uh. He really did a good job of

548
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 2: kind of shoring up the the weakest part of the

549
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 2: Phillies game. And he did it well. He did it

550
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 2: cost effectively, and he stayed under the luxury tax, which

551
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 2: the Phillies have been so adamant about doing. But as

552
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 2: somebody who looks more long term than short term, I

553
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 2: understand why they're trying to do that, especially in a

554
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 2: year where there's so much uncertainty. So yeah, those are

555
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 2: those are the guys, and those who are names that

556
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 2: you should probably expect to see a lot in this series.

557
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 2: There's gonna be a lot of high leverage situations, I'm sure,

558
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,239
Speaker 2: and those four guys are gonna probably be the go

559
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 2: to names.

560
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: Well, David Phelps is an old friends to Marlins fans,

561
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: he was actually pretty good.

562
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 3: True.

563
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 1: I think it was parts of three seasons, you know,

564
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: either two or three. What was fascinating is that they

565
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: traded him to the Mariners three years ago in a

566
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: deadline deal and they got back it was a very

567
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: similar deal where they got back four guys, four lottery

568
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: ticket prospects. Three of them have since washed out of

569
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: the Marlins organization, and I think a couple actually have

570
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: washed out of affiliated ball completely. And the fourth one

571
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: person to Pablo Lopez, who was having there you go,

572
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: and he as soon as he came over, actually continued

573
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: to struggle right after he came over in the trade.

574
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: But then the twenty eighteen season he took an enormous

575
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: leap forward and he was up in the bigs the

576
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: following summer. So that was one that Yeah, it was

577
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: very similar where it was did not get a lot

578
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: of attention. It was technically under the old regime here

579
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: in Miami, wasn't under the current ownership that the rebuild

580
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: is getting so much positive attention for what the new

581
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: ownership has done. But that was actually a sneaky good

582
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: move that they made under the previous one. And so yeah,

583
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to have him back because he pitched

584
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: well when he was in Miami, and then almost as

585
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: soon as they traded him, that was his initial elbow injury.

586
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: I mean he basically his elbow within a couple of

587
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: weeks I think of going to the Mariners, and the

588
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: Mariners were trying to contend that year. I mean, unfortunately

589
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: they didn't have the luxury of an expanded playoff field.

590
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: I mean, they really needed him to be at his best,

591
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: and unfortunately just terrible luck with that situation. But it

592
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: was I studied up on him too. I mean everything

593
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: you're saying about how well he was pitching, it surprised

594
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: me too. He was a guy that a couple of

595
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: days prior to the deadline, it was pretty obvious to

596
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: me that the Marlins, I mean all the rumors were

597
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: out there than the Marlins were also shopping for leavers

598
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: at the right price. And he was a guy that

599
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: I was stunned by how amazing he had been with

600
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: the Brewers. I feel like that had gone under the radar,

601
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,239
Speaker 1: But you're right, the peripherals were off the charts, and

602
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: the actual pitch data was really impressive for a guy

603
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: that is now, as you said, pretty far along in

604
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: his career but still throwing it well. So yeah, there's

605
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: nowhere to go but up from where he's been like

606
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: the last few weeks, the past few days, and the

607
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: last few addings. So yeah, I'm sure he's a guy

608
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: that deserves to still get big opportunities. But we're going

609
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: to shift to a player that you're more enthusiastic about

610
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: and more you have more trust in. That would have

611
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: to be rookie infielder Alex Boehm, who was I guess

612
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: along with Spencer Howard. Those guys have been the consensus

613
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: top two prospects in the Phillies organization ever since you

614
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: traded away six to zero. Those guys have been there,

615
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: and now it's their time to step into really significant

616
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: roles on major leagu Grosster you mentioned that Howard is

617
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: like progressing in a nice direction, although his overall results

618
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: are a little mixed with Boom. I mean, he's I

619
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: guess I'll just turned over to you to explain the

620
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: kind of role that he has on this team. I

621
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: know that he very recently had a really dramatic walk

622
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: off win over the Red Sox. Down to the strike

623
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: the Phillies were and he came through in that situation.

624
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 5: The pitch coming and a light drive. PA said, it's

625
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 5: a left field. Up said, here comes Dandy, the throne

626
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 5: of the plato. The Boos once ago come from behind.

627
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 5: And when they do so, in the bottom of the

628
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 5: seventh bedding and they're jumping home over Alan Boom, the

629
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 5: rookie comes through again.

630
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Speaker 1: So he's someone that I guess a lot of casual

631
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: fans may be familiar with because he went towards the

632
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: very very top of the twenty eighteen draft. I remember

633
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: at that time some comparisons to a poor man's Chris

634
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: Bryant and having some of the similar skill sets there.

635
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: But I'll just let you take it from here. When

636
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: he got called up to this team and what to

637
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: what we're gonna see from him, and what we should

638
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: be worried about in facing him.

639
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's a lot to be worried about. I

640
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 2: mean this guy. I have been following Alec since his

641
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 2: introduction into the organization, and the one thing that you

642
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 2: know is always seems to come up in his scouting report,

643
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 2: whether it's for me or from other people that I

644
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 2: work with, you know, is that he just has one

645
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 2: of the most mature approaches at the plate, and that

646
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,479
Speaker 2: is just so obvious when when you watch him play.

647
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 2: I mean, he does not swing and miss a lot,

648
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 2: which is to be expected from a rookie. You'd expect,

649
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 2: you know, some guy that's green to the major leagues,

650
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 2: it's going to swing it, you know, all these pitches

651
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 2: outside of the strike zone, because they're they're just going

652
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 2: to fool him. And he's not used to movement like

653
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 2: this now. I mean no, he has been very, very

654
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 2: mature at the plate, which has just exceed It is

655
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 2: exceedingly impressive to watch him work. And I say that

656
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 2: because you know, I'm so used to watching our rookie

657
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 2: bats flail at so many pitches off the plate. You know,

658
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,240
Speaker 2: Scott Kingery when he first came up, had a pretty

659
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 2: awful still has a pretty awful reputation to swing and

660
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 2: to the myths, but Alec has not had that issue.

661
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 2: In the slidest He's had a couple of multi strikeout

662
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 2: games where he's just not seeing the ball as well,

663
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 2: you know, as as he wants to. And you know,

664
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 2: then he comes back the next day with a three

665
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 2: hit game. So he really is he is the real deal.

666
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 2: He's the best Phillies prospect, Philly's offensive prospect at least

667
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:41,399
Speaker 2: that I've seen come up in quite some time, at

668
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 2: least that that is home grown. But yeah, what you

669
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 2: get with him is a very mature plate approach, some

670
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 2: insane raw power. We're talking about a six foot five

671
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 2: guy that works mostly in his lower half, you know,

672
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 2: can generate an absurd amount of raw power, hasn't quite

673
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 2: harnessed it yet, but will definitely get there. You know,

674
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 2: this is a guy that you're looking at that's probably

675
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 2: gonna hit twenty five to thirty home runs every year,

676
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 2: and he's gonna hit most importantly for average. And I'm

677
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 2: not a batting average guy. But you know, Alec is

678
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 2: one of those hitters that just wants to put the

679
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 2: ball in play. So he settles a lot of time

680
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 2: for you know, singles the opposite way. He doesn't really

681
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 2: pull the ball a lot. He's a spray hitter through

682
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 2: and through. That is one hundred percent of his philosophy.

683
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 2: But he also hits the ball really hard. He puts

684
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 2: a lot of power into that swing, and he's got

685
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 2: a really quick bat, he's got quick hands, and he

686
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 2: really just somehow generates power no matter where he's going.

687
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 2: I mean when he first came up, I think it

688
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 2: was fifteen of his first thirty some batted balls. We're

689
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 2: at one hundred plus miles an hour. I mean, he

690
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 2: really can smoke the ball and most of the time

691
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,240
Speaker 2: you're going to see that for you know, either gas

692
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 2: doubles or you know, maybe a double down the line

693
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,399
Speaker 2: here and there. But primarily he's been hitting a lot

694
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 2: of singles in his you know, initial season here, and

695
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 2: I'm not going to complain about that, because the Phillies

696
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 2: really really need, you know, a consistent bat that is

697
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 2: always ready to drive the run home by any means necessary,

698
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 2: and that is what they've found in Alex and that

699
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 2: is pretty huge. The shortcomings that he has, however, are

700
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 2: his defense. As I'm sure many people know at this point,

701
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 2: he is not exactly the most adept defender. He has

702
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 2: been pretty replacement level, if I'm honest, thus far. He

703
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 2: had a really bad three error game I think it

704
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 2: was against the Braves, but then since then has has

705
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 2: come back to be really really good. You know, he

706
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 2: doesn't have the best range, but he has a very

707
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 2: good arm that if it doesn't work at third basic,

708
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 2: will certainly work in left field, and he's you know,

709
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 2: he's he's working on it. He is the one thing

710
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 2: that I will say about him, having you know, spoken

711
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 2: to him a few times and getting to to observe

712
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 2: him all the time. He's a workhorse. He's the first

713
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 2: guy out on the field. He is constantly, constantly working

714
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 2: at getting better at everything, not just at his defense,

715
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 2: but you know, being a better hitter, being a better

716
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 2: you know, just having a better mind for the game,

717
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 2: being better on the bass pack. He's always working and

718
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 2: that is really exciting to seek. That's something that you

719
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:29,479
Speaker 2: can't teach. And so you know, overall, the too long

720
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 2: don't read on this guy is that you're looking at

721
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 2: a contact first guy with pretty incredible raw powers. So

722
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 2: don't give him anything, you know, right down the middle,

723
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,399
Speaker 2: and you know, a guy that's gonna spray the ball

724
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 2: every which way. He loves big moments, as we've seen.

725
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:46,879
Speaker 2: He's you know, walked to the Phillies off twice now,

726
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 2: I believe, and he is he is consistently just you know,

727
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 2: he's clutch. He just is, That's who he is. And

728
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 2: you know he's also a guy that that is going

729
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 2: to tax your pitcher. You know, he puts up really long,

730
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 2: really quality at Beth and you know, that's that's all

731
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 2: you can really ask for, especially from a twenty four

732
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:10,240
Speaker 2: year old who is new to the big leagues. And yeah,

733
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 2: he's he's got his shortcomings on his defense, but primarily

734
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 2: you're gonna see this guy, you know, hopefully batting a

735
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 2: little further up in the lineup. He has been batting,

736
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 2: you know, in the seventh, sixth, seven, eighth range in

737
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 2: his first few months where I shouldn't say month, it's

738
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 2: been only a month and a half, not even that

739
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 2: for him. Gosh, this season is weird, you know, in

740
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 2: his first few, first few games, I'll say, I think

741
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 2: he's played around twenty some so you know, he he

742
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 2: is one of those guys that he's going to be

743
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,879
Speaker 2: really annoying for the mL East for many years to come.

744
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 2: And like you said, very Chris Bryant, like I would say,

745
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 2: a lot less on the proven power side, but a

746
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 2: lot more on the contact side. And he's definitely not

747
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 2: as good as a defenders. He's more of probably a

748
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 2: Troy Gloss at third base. And I say that just

749
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,280
Speaker 2: because he's got that huge frame, six foot five frame,

750
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 2: which is it's tough to get down and make those

751
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 2: really really clutch third basement plays when you're so tall.

752
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 2: So you know, he's got a shortcoming when it comes

753
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 2: to defense, but has for everything else. He has been

754
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 2: everything that theatilly has expected him to be in more so,

755
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 2: he's he's gonna be a thorn in your guy's side.

756
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie. He's pretty good.

757
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure Marlins fans are a little jealous because

758
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: there's been a lot going right this season, particularly on

759
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: the pitching side, but they've didn't relying so much on

760
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,280
Speaker 1: their on their hitting prospects as well to like plug

761
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: holes in the lineup and trying to give these guys

762
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: every chance to establish themselves as like everyday regulars. But

763
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: the first one up a month ago was Monte Harrison,

764
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: who has all the tools in the world, but he

765
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: just couldn't put the bat on the ball. He was

766
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: striking out fifty percent of the time, like literally striking

767
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: out fifty percent of the time, and they'd just send

768
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: him down and he just got called back up recently,

769
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: but in like a more reserved role. They went to

770
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: Hayesu Sanchez, who was another consensus top one hundred MLB prospect,

771
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: and he was a little bit better, but it's still

772
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 1: one for twenty two, one for twenty three to start

773
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: his career, and he just can't keep playing that every

774
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: single day if he doesn't have his the right approach.

775
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: They had to send him back down. They called up

776
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: leywin Diez, who was another first baseman that they felt

777
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: so loved.

778
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, he loves Yeah.

779
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: Well so did I personally. I mean this. After the

780
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen season, he went to the Dominican Winter League.

781
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: He won Rookie of the Year in the Dominican Winter League.

782
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: He was invited to Major League Spring training. He lit

783
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,800
Speaker 1: it up in spring training. They thought he was completely ready.

784
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 1: Even though he was, he has to skip like so

785
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: many prospects this year, he had to skip triple A entirely,

786
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: didn't have any experience there, and he just got sent

787
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: down a couple of days ago too. Like his defense is,

788
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,720
Speaker 1: he's kind of the opposite of Bohm at this moment.

789
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 1: His defense was incredible, Like he already showed everything you

790
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: want from a first basement defensively, but he just he's

791
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: not barreling the ball whatsoever. He goes getting underneath everything,

792
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: and I can't even remember he was doing overall, he

793
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: just wasn't getting it done and they sent him down

794
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: a couple of days ago as well. So it's been

795
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,280
Speaker 1: frustrating where they've been getting a lot of really dynamic

796
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 1: as opportunities. The most recent one is now Jazz Chisholm,

797
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 1: who was another really highly regarded prospect that they acquired

798
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: a year ago, and same thing with Leyland. He had

799
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: to skip Triple A this year. But by all accounts,

800
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: who's lighting it up at the alternate training site and

801
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: he's he's been playing. He's kind of been in a

802
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: platoon role right now where he's starting against most right handers.

803
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: But as of this recording, he's got one hit in

804
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: like a week and a half and it's only a

805
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: matter of time before facing these critical games. I'm not

806
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 1: sure if he's going to be on the roster for

807
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: this entire series, because yeah, the production just hasn't been there.

808
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 1: It's been it's always so unpredictable, you know, like you've

809
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: already mentioned that, I know you really fixated on the

810
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: minor league side of this, and that's something that we're

811
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,760
Speaker 1: all missing this year, not having those games to follow

812
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 1: in that progress to keep track of but once those

813
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: guys actually get called up in the big leagues, it's

814
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: so it's so unpredictable, like how those guys are going

815
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: to translate once they finally get that call up, and

816
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: and also the timing of it, you know, like how

817
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: soon they're going to realize their full potential because it's

818
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 1: a really inexact science.

819
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 2: Right, And that's I mean, that's also kind of the

820
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 2: the vice when it comes to you know, rebuilds and

821
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 2: things like that, and speaking from experience, I know it

822
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 2: can be really hard. The one gripe that I had

823
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 2: with the Marlins rebuild, I said this to up there,

824
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 2: I pay a lot of attention to Marlin. I've got

825
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,760
Speaker 2: a whole side of the family that are big Marlins fans.

826
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 2: So while I'm they're not my favorite team, you know,

827
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 2: I pay a lot of attention to them. And that

828
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 2: was my big gripe with this kind of process that

829
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 2: they have sped up now I suppose, but this process

830
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,439
Speaker 2: they underwent was, you know, when when you go out

831
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 2: of your way to trade guys like Zach Gallon, who

832
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 2: you know is just proving to be an absolute machine

833
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 2: this year, and and I thank God every day that

834
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 2: he is no longer a Marlin, because that would make

835
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 2: it pretty hellish for the Phillies. You know, a rotation

836
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 2: of Gallon a contra h fixed do Pablo Lopez. You know,

837
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 2: that would be crazy. But you know that's kind of

838
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 2: the the vice of these rebuilds. And I meant to

839
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 2: mention the Nick Anderson trade as well. I mean, you

840
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 2: give up someone who is widely considered one of the

841
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 2: best relief arms in baseball for Hazus Sanchez. Granted, you know,

842
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 2: you get a top one hundred prospect out of it,

843
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 2: but you really never know with these guys, and the

844
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 2: Phillies have had that happened to them many times. And

845
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 2: I'm not saying, you know, lewend added a bus or

846
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 2: Hayes Sanchez is a bus or anything like that. I

847
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:59,280
Speaker 2: think those guys are chocked full of pretty immense potential.

848
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 2: But you know, that's always the risk that you run

849
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 2: when when you trade these you know, really good Major

850
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 2: leaguers for you know, every prospect, I guess in the

851
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,919
Speaker 2: sense of the lottery ticket, and that's some are more

852
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 2: proven than others. But it's really really hard to discern

853
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 2: which ones are sure things. And that's what makes Baseball

854
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 2: such a lovely sport. I suppose is that, you know,

855
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 2: it's it's so hard to predict anything. You know, who

856
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 2: thought the Marlins would be nineteen and eighteen at this

857
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 2: point the season. I'm sure not a lot of Marlins

858
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 2: fan did.

859
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 1: Well, you know, here we are myself like front and center.

860
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: I absolutely cannot believe it. I mean, every step of

861
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,439
Speaker 1: the way I've been I've been surprised that keeps going

862
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: ever since they got off every sep of the yeah,

863
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: every step of the way, I've been doubting them. And

864
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: I'm someone that follows it really closely, and you know,

865
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 1: a lot of things I admire about the process, but yeah,

866
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: it's been it's been a big surprise. And of course

867
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why they're in this position is

868
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:02,320
Speaker 1: they're starting pitching, and especially six Sanchez, who in four

869
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: major league starts, I think he's pretty clearly established himself

870
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: as already the ace of their rotation in record time.

871
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 1: You know how teams love to do this, like fiddle

872
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 1: with the arbitrary numbers to try to make something seem

873
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 1: unprecedented or really special, and like if you pull the

874
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 1: numbers a certain way with six to zero twenty five strikeouts,

875
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 1: two walks, less than five runs allowed in his first

876
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: four career starts. He's like the only pitcher in the

877
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: modern era to have a first a start of a

878
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: career that hits those exact numbers in terms of how

879
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: he's pounding the zone, how he refuses to walk people,

880
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: and how he's just preventing runs that the bottom line

881
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 1: performance for him so far has been in some way

882
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 1: you look at it, it's unprecedented, and just from any

883
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: neutral observer, you got to be blown away by what

884
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 1: he's doing. For someone like myself, who was following him

885
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 1: in double A last year, basically looks the same. It

886
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: looks like even though he had to skip triple A,

887
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 1: just like these other prospects we mention, it has not

888
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: affected him whatsoever. Where the hitters are just as overwhelmed

889
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: at the major league level as they were down there,

890
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: and most recently of course having to go through the Braves.

891
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 1: The reason why the Marlins got six sto in the

892
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 1: first place was trading JT. Realmuto to the Phillies, and JT.

893
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: I don't even need you to underscore the fact that

894
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: JT has been everything you probably could have dreamed of

895
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 1: as a catcher, undeniably establishing himself as the best catcher

896
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 1: in the league for these past two years. And of course,

897
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: the complication here is that they could be his only

898
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 1: two years with the Phillies if not able to come

899
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 1: to a new agreement with him on a long term deal.

900
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: Now with free agency, a free agency can only be

901
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,439
Speaker 1: a couple of months away, a couple of weeks away.

902
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: You have the Phillies for whatever reason, all short of

903
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: the postseason. Yeah, I mean, how are you wrestling with that?

904
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: All the factors going on here with that trade, with

905
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 1: getting JT, and how much he's meant to the Phillies,

906
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: and I'm sure how much fun he's been to watch

907
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: the past couple of years. With the fact that now

908
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: six oh is just getting started and dominating right away,

909
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 1: and regardless of what the Marlins do, even if Marlins do,

910
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 1: for all the unconventional things that the Marlins do, it's

911
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: a pretty safe bet that Sixto is going to be

912
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: in the division for another handful of years. Like, so,

913
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,280
Speaker 1: how do you square away those mixed motions?

914
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I can't lie to you. I was

915
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 2: not someone who was exactly thrilled when the Philly just

916
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 2: added to trade six dough. I've been a big six

917
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 2: Oh fan for a long time, very very long time.

918
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 2: It almost shocks me how familiar I am with six

919
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 2: Dos Sanchez. But you know, when you are making a

920
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 2: trade for somebody who is quite obviously the best player

921
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 2: at their position, you know, last year maybe people tried

922
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 2: to argue Esmani Grindal obviously not the case this year.

923
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 2: I mean JT is just far and away the best

924
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 2: catcher in baseball. That's just who he is. You should

925
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 2: expect to part with something pretty significant for that, And

926
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 2: I didn't think that. And I mean even you know,

927
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 2: Craig Mish was surprised, uh that, you know, the Phillies

928
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 2: were in play at all when that trade was going on.

929
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 2: You know, he did his little percentile breakdowns of who's

930
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 2: the likeliest to get j c. Real Musso, and the

931
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 2: Phillies weren't even on it until the day that it happened.

932
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: That is because maybe the Dodgers that a certain Braves,

933
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Braves were one that seems like a favorite

934
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 1: at one point. And I mean it felt makes such

935
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 1: a huge triumph for the Phillies to be able to

936
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: wrestle him away from those teams.

937
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 2: They were completely agree but that's the thing. They had

938
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 2: to wrestle him away by giving up six though, and

939
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 2: I know why they did it. There are many people

940
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 2: across the league who fear that six dough is just

941
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 2: a walk in case of Tommy John surgery. And I'm

942
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 2: going to knock on Wood right now because I love

943
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 2: watching him pitch more than anything in the whole entire world.

944
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 2: But many evaluators, including many within the Phillies organization, just

945
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 2: thought that, you know, he pitches with a lot of oomph,

946
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 2: I'll call it. And you know, you can see that

947
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 2: in his his leg kick when he you know, in

948
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 2: his in his follow through. He he really puts. He

949
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:28,479
Speaker 2: puts everything he's got into it. And I think that's great.

950
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 2: I love that, but it's not viewed as the most healthy.

951
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 2: His mechanics aren't viewed as the most healthy, sustainable mechanics,

952
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:39,479
Speaker 2: and so I understand why they wanted to trade him

953
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 2: to receive, you know, such a big prize. In JT

954
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 2: that said, what you're seeing with six oh now is

955
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 2: exactly what everybody was talking about when Fixto was, you know,

956
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 2: a top twenty prospect in baseball. He is a guy

957
00:50:56,239 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 2: with just absolutely remarkable stuff and he commands it with

958
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,280
Speaker 2: the best of them. I mean he is through and through.

959
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 2: You know, a guy that can touch triple digits, a

960
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 2: guy that can wipe you out with any pitch he

961
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 2: wants to, especially a change up, which makes him effective

962
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 2: against lest these and Righty's alike. I mean, he is

963
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,439
Speaker 2: the full package. He is Minnie Patro that is who

964
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 2: he was, you know, That's what they dubbed him when

965
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 2: he was in the Phillies organization. But a lot of

966
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 2: people were perhaps overconcerned with his ability to stay healthy,

967
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 2: and so that resulted in you know, him getting dealt

968
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 2: if he wasn't going to get delt I'll let you

969
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 2: in on a bit of insider info here. If he

970
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:41,959
Speaker 2: wasn't going to get dealt for the Marlins for JT,

971
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,720
Speaker 2: he was getting dealt to the Mariners for Edwin Diaz.

972
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 2: And as thrilled as I am that that didn't happen,

973
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 2: you know, they really were, in a sense kind of

974
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 2: shopping him because they were kind of worried about his

975
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 2: health and his numbers take a bit of a dip.

976
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 2: I remember when they when they first traded him to

977
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 2: the Marlins, but now, I mean it's no problem at all.

978
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 2: He is in the major leagues. He has you know,

979
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 2: I always viewed him as a guy that he could

980
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 2: probably have jumped from high A into the majors because

981
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 2: he just he has the command down, he has the stuff. Obviously,

982
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 2: he's got the velocity, he's you know, got the composure,

983
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 2: he's got the forty five tattoo on his uh on

984
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 2: his collarbone. I mean, he's got everything to be the

985
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 2: makings of you know, Pedro Martinez. But you know, I

986
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:35,359
Speaker 2: understand why they did it, and I understand, you know,

987
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 2: why JT was the guy that they decided to trade

988
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 2: him for, because JT has just been incredible as affiliate.

989
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 2: I mean, he has been remarkable just in terms of

990
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 2: working with the pitching staff, in terms of framing defensive uh,

991
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:52,800
Speaker 2: you know, being being the best defensive catcher in baseball

992
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 2: far and away. I don't think there's anybody even close,

993
00:52:56,160 --> 00:53:00,240
Speaker 2: especially when it comes to pop time and catching runners.

994
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 2: And you know, I think it was worth it in

995
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 2: the end. I think it definitely was worth it. Now

996
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:09,959
Speaker 2: I will change that tune if they don't re sign JT.

997
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 2: But I am somebody who you know, since the beginning,

998
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 2: I have said, and I've maintained this, even though it's

999
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 2: you know, the clock is picking. I think he will

1000
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 2: be a Philly, you know, for at least past some

1001
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 2: amount of time pass this year. And I say that

1002
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:32,800
Speaker 2: because you know, I don't think there's any way for

1003
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 2: this front office to avoid it. If I'm completely honest.

1004
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 2: They have Jake Arietta's contract coming off the books, so

1005
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 2: obviously they had the money you know, in the plan.

1006
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 2: They have, you know, twenty five million in terms of

1007
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 2: aav coming off the books, so they obviously have you know,

1008
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:53,879
Speaker 2: the means to lock him up for what I would

1009
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 2: assume his annual average value is going to be, which

1010
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 2: you know, many people across the league suspect it's going

1011
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 2: to be somewhere in the twenty five million range, and

1012
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 2: I completely agree with that. I think he's totally worth it,

1013
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 2: even if you are paying an aging catcher. You know,

1014
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 2: he is a guy that you can really count on

1015
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:13,240
Speaker 2: to stick at that position, and he's got a bat

1016
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 2: that I think bodes well to mature. I don't think

1017
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 2: the speed will stay as he gets older, but you know,

1018
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 2: who cares, He is really really good, so I think

1019
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 2: ultimately he will be a Philly long term. I just

1020
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 2: I believe that, and I couldn't really tell you you know,

1021
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 2: why he wouldn't want to test free agency, although I guess,

1022
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 2: you know, heading into this year free agency, who the

1023
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 2: heck knows what's going to happen. I don't even know

1024
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 2: if any team is going to be willing to spend

1025
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 2: much money, even the Yankees, even though I mean, we

1026
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:53,359
Speaker 2: just saw the Yankees just furloughed, you know, a ton

1027
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 2: of their development and scouting staff. This is truly, and

1028
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 2: I effing hate this word, but it is an unprecedented time,

1029
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:06,760
Speaker 2: even in our sports, even in you know, the biggest

1030
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 2: businesses in the world. It is just a crazy, crazy

1031
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 2: time financially, and that's just you know, something we're gonna

1032
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 2: have to cope with in this next year, I suppose.

1033
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:21,760
Speaker 2: But anyway, that is my long winded way of saying

1034
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 2: I do think that the Phillies will lock JT up

1035
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 2: regardless of whether or not he hits free agency. I

1036
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 2: think they will be willing to match whatever any other

1037
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:31,879
Speaker 2: team is willing to offer, or that is my hope

1038
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 2: at least. And while I'm privy to you know, insider

1039
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 2: information that the team is airtight. I mean, the Phillies

1040
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 2: are known for being just the most air tight organization

1041
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:46,720
Speaker 2: in this game. No rumors ever come out about anything

1042
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:50,919
Speaker 2: unless it's like the day of you know, if they're

1043
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 2: an unpredictable, very quiet source of information. So, you know,

1044
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 2: I think he does end up being locked up, but

1045
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,280
Speaker 2: the price that they had to pay is obviously coming

1046
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 2: to bite them in the button now. I mean six

1047
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:09,879
Speaker 2: Ozero looks he looks every bit the picture that I

1048
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 2: spent hours and hours and hours obsessing over, you know,

1049
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 2: back in twenty twelve, thirteen fourteen, or I guess it

1050
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:20,800
Speaker 2: was twenty thirteen, fourteen fifteen.

1051
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: He's not but well, yeah, so six years ago, what

1052
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:28,320
Speaker 1: is that twenty fourteen?

1053
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, he is just you know, he's

1054
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:37,359
Speaker 2: a talented kid, he really is, and it sucks that

1055
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 2: we had to deal him. But I suppose we will

1056
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 2: see what comes of him in the next few years.

1057
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:47,840
Speaker 2: I think it's teams are going to attempt to figure

1058
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 2: him out, But really, how do you figure out a

1059
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 2: guy that throws a one hundred one mile an hour

1060
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 2: fastball and a ninety three ninety four mile an hour

1061
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 2: change up that just rideing on your hands? And jam

1062
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 2: you every time, and you're either you know you're squibbing

1063
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 2: it off the bat or you're just missing it completely.

1064
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 2: So you know, I'm happy that he has found a

1065
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 2: place where he can develop and he can be a star,

1066
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:15,399
Speaker 2: because he always has been. The only question was whether

1067
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 2: or not he'll stay healthy, and I knock on Wood

1068
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 2: a million thousand times over that that remains the case.

1069
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 2: So I'm glad to see him succeed overall.

1070
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we're all in for a treat during this series.

1071
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: We should get to see him. I guess he lines

1072
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: up on one of the Sunday doubleheader games to start

1073
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 1: one half of that. And I mean most obviously. What

1074
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 1: I love so much about him is hew efficient. He

1075
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 1: is with his bitches like it's a seven inning game.

1076
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 1: He's got a good shots to pitch a complete game

1077
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: in any seven inning game, even on his day, even

1078
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 1: on his worst days. He's a guy that because it's

1079
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 1: just so the fact that he could throw strikes so

1080
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 1: like any of his pitches, and the week time, it's

1081
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 1: he really is the complete package. He's not perfect, and

1082
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 1: I don't overreact too much about him, even as someone

1083
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: that I had to fight back some people here. Over

1084
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 1: the past year, people that were skeptical about whether he

1085
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 1: was really the best prospect that the Marlins had because

1086
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: concerns not only about the throwing motion, but his conditioning

1087
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 1: in general. He's a guy that reported to spring training

1088
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 1: listed at two hundred and thirty four pounds when you're

1089
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: only six foot even.

1090
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 2: This year, yeah, this year, what I didn't know that.

1091
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 1: And during the COVID shutdown, I mean give him credit,

1092
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 1: during the COVID shutdown, he shed about ten to twelve

1093
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 1: pounds a little bit.

1094
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, he looks really good.

1095
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 1: Looks it looks better now. But he was the guy

1096
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 1: that was invited to Major league spring training. As you

1097
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,439
Speaker 1: would expected, he did not pitch in any grape Fruit

1098
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 1: League games because they were not satisfied with his conditioning.

1099
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 1: It wasn't even about a durability concern per se. Was

1100
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 1: they thought it might be a disciplined issue with him,

1101
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 1: and there was, Yeah, there was questions about one exactly

1102
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 1: he'd be called up the Marlins. Of course, when they

1103
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 1: the COVID out break hit their team, three of their

1104
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: starting pitchers and the rotation went out, and yet he

1105
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 1: was not a consideration to be called up immediately at

1106
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 1: that point a month ago. It took several more weeks

1107
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: for these filling guys to have mixed results, to struggle

1108
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 1: to give them length. It took a wild It took

1109
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 1: a lot of convincing for the team to actually call

1110
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 1: him up. Just what August twenty second was his debut

1111
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 1: and I mean he's to his credit, he's really proven everybody,

1112
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 1: any of the skeptics that were about him. It's been

1113
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 1: very convincing. Starts his career. He doesn't guarantee anything, of course,

1114
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 1: we know how Vould told these guys are, but yeah,

1115
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 1: it's been a dream. Starts his career. Should be seeing

1116
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,919
Speaker 1: him on Sunday and then a couple more times before

1117
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 1: the end of the year. And I guess we'll just

1118
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 1: finish here about if you have any specific prediction for

1119
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 1: this series. Trying to balance your heart, but also I mean,

1120
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 1: as someone that has followed the Marlins pretty closely from

1121
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 1: as far as you admit to doing, and of course

1122
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 1: knowing everything about the Phillies seven game series, how many

1123
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 1: do you think the Phillies pull out of this.

1124
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 2: I'll be honest, I can't give you a number because

1125
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 2: there really is no way to tell. I mean, at

1126
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 2: this point. I am pretty convinced that this is a

1127
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 2: curse laid on the Phillies, that they just can't play

1128
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 2: well against the Marlins, and I will keep believing that

1129
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,920
Speaker 2: until I'm proven otherwise. So I can't really give you

1130
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 2: a specific number. What I will say is that I

1131
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 2: think this is going to be a series where everyone

1132
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 2: is going to be firing on all cylinders. Bryce Harper

1133
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 2: has been struggling of late, and that is certainly no secret.

1134
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 2: He over the last sixteen games is in a pretty

1135
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 2: big slump. Last night, he hit two balls that just

1136
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 2: should have gone way out of the park. I mean

1137
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 2: they should have been way gone, but you know they were.

1138
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 2: They were both barreled, and they both traveled very far,

1139
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 2: but they were both unfortunate out and you know, there

1140
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 2: your every day you know, expected batting average was astronomical,

1141
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 2: and it was a barrel and it should just split

1142
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 2: the gap somehow, but it didn't. And the other one

1143
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 2: was just the dead center, I mean, four hundred and

1144
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 2: seven foot flyout, which is unfortunate. But you know, I

1145
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 2: think he is on the verge of really getting hot,

1146
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 2: and I think the same for JT. JT has really

1147
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 2: started putting some really good at baths together, and he's

1148
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 2: he's hitting the ball a lot more than he was

1149
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 2: over these last few weeks. And he you know, just

1150
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 2: knocks his first home run in a while the other day.

1151
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 2: So he's also getting kind of back on his horse.

1152
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:46,160
Speaker 2: Rees Hoskins is on fire. I don't expect that to

1153
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:49,920
Speaker 2: slow down in this series, but who knows. So I

1154
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:53,439
Speaker 2: think he's gonna be a really big, you know bat

1155
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 2: for the Phillies in this one. Dedey Grigorius just has

1156
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 2: been excellent this whole year. I don't like that to stop.

1157
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 2: Jeene Sigura is really keeping up. Jeane Segura has arguably

1158
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 2: been one of the best hitters on the team in

1159
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 2: the last you know, one or two weeks. You know,

1160
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 2: given how hot Hopkins has been, obviously he is uh

1161
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 2: he takes that first spot, but Jean Segura has definitely

1162
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 2: been up there. Uh, you know. Alex Boum is out boom.

1163
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 2: I think, you know, I if I'm looking at the

1164
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 2: Marlins rotation in my head, I don't think is there

1165
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 2: a lefty?

1166
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:29,440
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, let me give it to you.

1167
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 2: It's the Bot Lopez.

1168
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 1: They might not use a left there's Trevor Rodgers Trevor

1169
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 1: Rodgers is.

1170
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 2: A rookie, right Rogers.

1171
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 1: He's been very good his first three start.

1172
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 2: If I'm let's let's test my Marlin's knowledge here, it'll

1173
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 2: be I don't know who will go in what order,

1174
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 2: but it's going to be probably Lopez six, though a

1175
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 2: contra Iranya is going to get a start somewhere.

1176
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 1: Let me let me give our fans the rotation order.

1177
01:02:58,360 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 2: I think it will live it to me.

1178
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:02,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, the first game on Thursday, it's gonna be AREAA

1179
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 1: versus Alcantra. Then on with Friday's doubleheader, it's basically eight

1180
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 1: guys for seven spots. It looks like the way that

1181
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 1: they're lined up, Trevor Rodgers will go one of the

1182
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 1: games on Friday, but it could also be uh that

1183
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 1: second gen could be either Jordan Yamamoto who they just

1184
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:25,440
Speaker 1: called up, or could finally or they could go to

1185
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 1: one of the spots starters they used early in the year,

1186
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 1: like Daniel Castano, that could bring him back up from

1187
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 1: the alternate site for the second game on Saturday. Let's

1188
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 1: say Saturday, it would have to be Saturday will be

1189
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 1: Jose Urina. Jose Rainya just making his second start of

1190
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:44,439
Speaker 1: the season.

1191
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 2: Coming back from a good start against the Yeah, it was.

1192
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 1: It was interesting, some fireworks in there.

1193
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:51,720
Speaker 3: I love.

1194
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1195
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 1: Then then on Sunday, we're gonna have six too one

1196
01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 1: of those games and then the other one would either

1197
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:01,920
Speaker 1: be Jordan Yama is also an option for that if

1198
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 1: he's not just laying in the bullpen, and then the

1199
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:08,760
Speaker 1: wild card for Sunday would also be calling up Nick Knighter.

1200
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 1: Nick Knighter, who I was very high on ya, but

1201
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 1: he suffered from COVID. He hasn't been on an active

1202
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 1: roster for what six weeks now, but he is according

1203
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:21,080
Speaker 1: to what we've seen from him some glimpses of him

1204
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 1: at the alternate training site, he is getting stretched out again,

1205
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 1: and especially for just a seven ending game, maybe a

1206
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:29,479
Speaker 1: perfectly decent starting option, as long as they can find

1207
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:31,959
Speaker 1: room for him on the forty man and the active roster,

1208
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 1: because right now he's not on either right now. It's

1209
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 1: a it's a big mess in that regard, but I

1210
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 1: think he's a sleeper to actually make the second game

1211
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:44,160
Speaker 1: on Sunday along with six Zo, and then on Monday

1212
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:47,960
Speaker 1: would be Pablo. Pablo would be starts today, right, Yeah,

1213
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:52,560
Speaker 1: Pablo on Wednesday. Wednesday and then five days later on Monday,

1214
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 1: which is a series finale.

1215
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 2: Got So I, like I said, I can't give you

1216
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:02,760
Speaker 2: a number, but that means that as far as I'm concerned,

1217
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 2: aside from Rogers, no less season the lineup, so you

1218
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 2: probably won't see Phil Goslin as much. Phil Goslin is

1219
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 2: really good or has been really good this year, so

1220
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:19,440
Speaker 2: you probably won't see as much of him. The Marlins

1221
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 2: will likely be lucky to miss Jay Bruce. He's still

1222
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 2: on the I L with a quad injury something that

1223
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 2: just keeps coming up, which is concerning. But he has been,

1224
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 2: you know, absolutely excellent for the Phillies this year and

1225
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 2: was last year. I mean, he has an insane home

1226
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 2: run per at that rate somewhere in the twelves, which

1227
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 2: is just crazy as a Philly that is. So you'll

1228
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 2: probably miss him as well. But in terms of, you know,

1229
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 2: overall lineup, I think the Phillies are going to have

1230
01:05:55,920 --> 01:06:01,080
Speaker 2: the edge there. And you know, I'm I'm no fortune teller.

1231
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 2: I can't really exactly tell you that. You know, Miguel

1232
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 2: Rojas isn't gonna absolutely torch the Phillies again, but I

1233
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 2: do think the Phillies get get the edge in terms

1234
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 2: of lineup. As for pitching, I think, you know, as

1235
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 2: long as Sandy comes out and does what he did

1236
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 2: against the Phillies, you know at the beginning of the year,

1237
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:24,680
Speaker 2: they're gonna have no problem winning that one. But I

1238
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 2: don't think that'll be the case. I think the Phillies

1239
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 2: will put up a lot more of a fight. I

1240
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:31,120
Speaker 2: think what you saw in that first Sandy start against

1241
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 2: the Phillies was a lot of what we expected from

1242
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:36,920
Speaker 2: this year, which was pitchers being way ahead of hitters

1243
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:39,920
Speaker 2: in terms of how ready they are for this season.

1244
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:45,120
Speaker 2: And you know, he really he decimated this lineup. But

1245
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:47,280
Speaker 2: I think I think it'll be a lot more competitive

1246
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:51,520
Speaker 2: this time around. As for six Dos start, I think

1247
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give the Phillies the edge on that one

1248
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:56,720
Speaker 2: because as good as he's been, first of all, it

1249
01:06:56,760 --> 01:07:00,440
Speaker 2: feels like he's probably due for a bad game. Second

1250
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:02,760
Speaker 2: of all, I think the Phillies are gonna be really

1251
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 2: confident going into that because of how thoroughly fixed Dough

1252
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:10,240
Speaker 2: was evaluated by this organization before the trade. I mean,

1253
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:15,440
Speaker 2: for them to come to that decision was tough, and

1254
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:18,640
Speaker 2: I think they know a lot about you know, the

1255
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:21,560
Speaker 2: mechanicians of his mechanics, and they know a lot about,

1256
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 2: you know, what makes him kick, and so I think

1257
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 2: maybe maybe the Phillies have a little bit of a

1258
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:31,320
Speaker 2: hedge there as well. As for Pablo, I think Pablo

1259
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:34,200
Speaker 2: is so good. I think his change up is just

1260
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 2: absolutely awesome to watch. So I think the Marlins have

1261
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 2: have a pretty good shot in his start. You know,

1262
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 2: when it comes to the double headers, I think they'll

1263
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:53,960
Speaker 2: both be splits, probably just because the Phillies. Somebody tweeted

1264
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:55,720
Speaker 2: out yesterday, I can't quite recall who it was, but

1265
01:07:55,800 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 2: Phillies have not swept a double header in like eight years,

1266
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:05,000
Speaker 2: and they are oh eleven and eight, so they've they've

1267
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:11,480
Speaker 2: split two, been swept in eleven, and then have swept none.

1268
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:17,479
Speaker 2: So the confidence that I have in the Phillies in

1269
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:20,519
Speaker 2: double headers is not high. Uh So I'm pretty sure

1270
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:23,479
Speaker 2: they'll split both of them. If not, the Marlins probably

1271
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:26,479
Speaker 2: have a better chance to sweep one of them. But

1272
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:28,960
Speaker 2: I think it really is just a huge toss up

1273
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:32,280
Speaker 2: in this one. I think it just depends on which

1274
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:35,920
Speaker 2: team is the hotter, uh you know, and and which

1275
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:40,680
Speaker 2: guys really outperform the other. I think it's gonna be

1276
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:44,200
Speaker 2: really crazy, but it's gonna be a really really fun

1277
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:49,840
Speaker 2: again unprecedented series. We've never seen such a close race

1278
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:55,759
Speaker 2: and then such a decisive seven game or span of

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Speaker 2: of of games to h to really put this one

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Speaker 2: in cement. So I'm really excited. I can't wait to

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Speaker 2: interact with you both on on the Good Fight and

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Speaker 2: on our personal accounts. And it's gonna be fun. I

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Speaker 2: am nervous as all heck as a as a Philly

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Speaker 2: fan that I am very excited for as a baseball fan.

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Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be much must watch TV.

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Speaker 1: The m p CS Marlins Phillies Championships Thursday and Monday

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Speaker 1: and Marlin's Park in Miami. This is Alex Carr with

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Speaker 1: a fantastic insight. You can follow him on Twitter at

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Speaker 1: Alex Carr MLD. That's two rs Alex Carr MLV. You

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Speaker 1: guys know where to find me already at Fish Stripes

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Speaker 1: and at Real Eli with a Y and we went

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Speaker 1: about twice as long as I was planning to. But

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Speaker 1: it was.

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Speaker 2: Well, I told you we could do it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, on everything, and it's gonna be a huge, huge series.

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Speaker 1: I guess it could be a little anti climaxic if

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Speaker 1: both these teams still make the playoffs anyway, but there's

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Speaker 1: there's a good chance that if one of these teams

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Speaker 1: does dominate the series one way or another, he really

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Speaker 1: he does put the other one in desperation mode down

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Speaker 1: the stretch the rest of the way. Only gonna be

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Speaker 1: two weeks left of the season after the series is over,

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Speaker 1: And as I already said on the top of the pod,

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Speaker 1: this is the last. This is the beginning of the

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Speaker 1: last home stands that the Marlins play during this regular season.

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Speaker 1: It flew by in a hurry. Marlins had been really

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Speaker 1: bad at Marlins Park this year, but it's been extremely

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Speaker 1: small sample size, so hopefully that turns around a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Alex, And yeah, we're gonna be

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Speaker 1: glued to this one every moment, seven games in five days.

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Speaker 1: And for everybody else, yeah, just follow us on fish

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Speaker 1: Stripes and of course go to the Good Fight as well,

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Speaker 1: where they just have amazing detailed coverage of everything going

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Speaker 1: on with the Phillies. Thanks a lot, Alex, you I anytime,

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Speaker 1: thanks for having me go fish Us indulted