1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to Noble Blood, a production of iHeartRadio and Grimm 2 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: and Mild from Aaron Mankie. 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 2: Listener discretion advised. 4 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: Let's begin our story In Paris sixteen fifty eight. A 5 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: woman only twenty eight years old is on her deathbed, 6 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: dying of a venereal disease. An English churchman is with 7 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: her in her remaining few hours, allowing her to make 8 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: a general confession or a Christian prayer of repentance for sins. 9 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:50,599 Speaker 1: An English churchman would know these prayers well, Almighty and 10 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: most Merciful Father, we have aired and strayed from thy 11 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: ways like lost sheep. We have followed too much the 12 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: devices and desires of our own hearts. That's read by 13 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: an Anglican congregation and mass during worship. But what did 14 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: this woman specifically have to confess? Maybe her cause of 15 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: death can provide you with a clue. But the extent 16 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: of the words that she would utter to the priest 17 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 1: went far beyond simply the sins of lust. She told 18 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: the churchmen that there existed a black box, and inside 19 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: of it one could find documentary proof that years earlier 20 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 1: she had married Charles, the second King of England. The 21 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: story I just told you of the deathbed confession of 22 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: the mysterious Black Box. Proof is likely highly dramatized, but 23 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: Lucy Walter, the woman in question, was the very real 24 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: mistress of the King of England, and the story of 25 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: her alleged confession would have a very real impact on 26 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: the country at large. Lucy's confession isn't actually the beginning 27 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: of our story, but it's also not the end. A 28 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: confession of a secret marriage would be enough to cause 29 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:21,839 Speaker 1: a scandal, but the confession of a marriage while an 30 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: acknowledged illegitimate son lived was enough to send the monarchy 31 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: into turmoil. The churchman from the tale was also very real, 32 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: but John Couson, future Bishop of Durham, would pass in 33 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: sixteen seventy two. Dying with him would be the only 34 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: chance of finding this infamous black box and proving once 35 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: and for all that Lucy's son, James Scott, the Duke 36 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 1: of Monmouth, was not an illegitimate son, but in fact 37 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: the King's legitimate, rightful heir to the throne. Notably, the 38 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: story of Lucy's death comes from the memoirs of James 39 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: the second, younger brother to Lucy's lover, King Charles the 40 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 1: Second and it's a memoir in which she by and 41 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: large is portrayed in a rather shameful light. It will 42 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: become clearer as to why that might have been the 43 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: case later, but it's a good reminder that when it 44 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: comes to Lucy's life we could be careful to take 45 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: things with a grain of salt. In a real history 46 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: is written by the victor's moment, we have to ask, 47 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: did Lucy even truly die of a quote disease incident 48 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: to her profession, as James the Second put it, or 49 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: as James was fighting the Duke of Monmouth foreclaim to 50 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: the throne, did he really just want his enemy to 51 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: be known as the son of a whore? The story 52 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: of Lucy Walter and Charles the Second has all the 53 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: makings of a really good scandal. Royalty seduction, bastards, secret marriages, 54 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: a quest for a fabled box, and, since this is 55 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: the English monarchy, an eventual beheading. As with any scandal, 56 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: though no matter how important the participants are, at the 57 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 1: heart of it is a real messy group of people 58 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 1: making real messy decisions. I'm Danish Schwartz and this is 59 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 1: Noble Blood. Now to introduce the players in this scandal 60 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: when there's a king involved, I imagine that ladies first 61 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: doesn't really apply. So let's start with King Charles the 62 00:04:55,600 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: Second of England. Charles the Second's father, Charles the First 63 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 1: was an infamously stuffy and unlikable man, so unlikable, in fact, 64 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: that it cost him his head to very very succinctly 65 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: sum up the English Civil War, but his wife, the 66 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 1: French Princess Henrietta Maria, was practically his opposite. Charles the 67 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 1: First was twenty four and she was fifteen at the 68 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: time of their vows. He wanted a submissive, traditional queen, 69 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 1: while Henrietta had no such intentions of being one. She 70 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: had been raised in the comparatively liberal environment of the 71 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 1: French court. Charles the First was the head of the 72 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: Church of England, and Henrietta Maria was a Roman Catholic 73 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: at a time when religious strife was particularly contentious. The 74 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: couple's biggest similarity at the time of their marriage seemed 75 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: to be that both were fairly onely disliked. Parliament and 76 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 1: the English public were very wary when the king announced 77 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: that he would be marrying a Roman Catholic woman, and 78 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: due to religious restrictions, she was never even formally crowned 79 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: in a coronation ceremony. In a situation like this of 80 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 1: two very different parents, odds are that children would take 81 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: more after one parent than the other, and in the 82 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: young Charles's case, he took after his mother. The Bishop 83 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 1: Burnet once reflected that quote. The Queen Mother, referring to 84 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: Henrietta Maria, observed often that the great defects of the 85 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: late king's breeding and the stiff roughness that was in him, 86 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: by which he disobliged very many and did often prejudice 87 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 1: his affairs very much. So she gave strict orders that 88 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: the young princes should be bred to wonderful civility end quote. 89 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 1: Civility may seem a misplaced choice of wording here, but 90 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: in this case it's a reference back to its archaic meaning, 91 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: which was to be learned in the humanities. And so 92 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:16,679 Speaker 1: the future Charles the second would take after his mother 93 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: very much. By design as his mother's favorite, the young 94 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: Charles spent a lot of time being doted on by 95 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: Henrietta and her courtiers. The excess of Catholicism opposed by 96 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: English Puritans around this time was spiritually embodied by Henrietta 97 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: who turned the palace into a personal menagerie. She kept 98 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: herself surrounded by dwarfs, a sadly common practice among royalty 99 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: at the time, dogs of all shapes and sizes, gestures. 100 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 2: And monkeys. 101 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: The idea was constant entertainment and spectacle. After all, Henrietta's 102 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: mother was Ria de Medici, and if you know anything 103 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: about that family, you know that extravagance was a prominent 104 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: genotype in their Punnett Square. When young Charles was around, 105 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: the courtiers devised games and jokes for the enjoyment of 106 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: the prince, and in Henrietta's court he received a cultural 107 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: education simply through exposure. But he was also exposed to 108 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: the other side of a hedonistic leaning circle of wealthy followers. 109 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 2: As phrased by. 110 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: Derek Wilson in his book All the King's Women, quote, flirtations, affairs, 111 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: and gossip about those flirtations and affairs. 112 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 2: Were part of the daily routine. 113 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: And if adulterous liaisons were not officially approved of, everyone 114 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: knew they happened. 115 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 3: End quote. 116 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 1: It likely took the little prince some time to understand 117 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: the full implications of what was going on behind the scenes, 118 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: but adultery and that sort of debauchery was a part 119 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: of his daily life from a young age. The Queen 120 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 1: and her ladies also took great joy in dressing the 121 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: young Charles and his royal siblings in fanciful costumes and 122 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: staging masks and dances for the young princes to perform in. 123 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: Henrietta was a devoted patroness of the arts, particularly when 124 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: it came to masks and plays, even ones that didn't 125 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: involve her children. Her husband, Charles the First, for his part, 126 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: was a major patron of paintings and visual arts, but 127 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: their approaches were different. They both wanted the court to 128 00:09:55,800 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: embrace the Beaumont, but Henrietta was determined to do so 129 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:06,199 Speaker 1: through grand French sensibilities, while her husband was the poster 130 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:12,079 Speaker 1: child for English rigid formality and dignity. To get an 131 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: idea of the kind of plays Henrietta was hosting, take 132 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: this criticism from lawyer William Prine, a staunch Puritan, in 133 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:25,319 Speaker 1: a paragraph that sounds like it should follow the phrase 134 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: this club has everything, Prine admonishes the Court for quote 135 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 1: effeminate mixed dancing, stage plays, lascivious pictures, face painting, health, drinking, 136 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: long hair, love, locks, periwigs, women's curling, powdering and cuffing 137 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 1: of their hair, bonfires, new Year's gifts, may day's amorous pastimes, lascivious, 138 00:10:54,000 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: effeminate music, excessive laughter, luxurious, disorderly Christmas keeping mummeries with 139 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: sundry such like vanities end quote. Charles the First was 140 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: so offended by Prin's accusations that he was not the 141 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: moral paragon, that he fancied himself that he had Prin 142 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: sentenced to life imprisonment, find five thousand pounds, deprived of 143 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: his Oxford degree, and for good measure, liberated of both 144 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: his ears. And that was just the initial sentence. But anyway, 145 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:34,439 Speaker 1: back to the sun, there was a third person responsible 146 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: for rearing and influencing the young Prince. Charles's nurse, Christabella Wyndham. 147 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: She was in her mid twenties when she was appointed, 148 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: and apparently she was quite beautiful, but one of Charles 149 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:53,439 Speaker 1: the second future courtiers once remarked that there was quote 150 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 1: nothing of woman in her but her body end quote. 151 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: Due to her apparent ambitiousness nature, she and her husband, 152 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 1: Sir Edward Wyndham were quickly climbing the social ranks in court, 153 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: and they were trusted by the King, Queen, and most 154 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: of all, the young Prince, she readily provided the prince 155 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: with affection, hugs and kisses that a young royal really 156 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: couldn't get anywhere else. In sixteen forty two, when twelve 157 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: year old Charles was forced to leave his home for 158 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: the first time to join his father fighting in the 159 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: First English Civil War, he was separated from his incredibly 160 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: comfortable home life, which included his mother's court and his 161 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: beloved nurse. Charles's relatively loose education and preferences for an 162 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:59,319 Speaker 1: easy life hadn't prepared him for the battlefield, but nevertheless, 163 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: in classic Nepo baby tradition, at age fifteen, he was 164 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: given his own command. While teenage Charles wasn't a particularly 165 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: effective general, being in the field did give him a 166 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: chance to reunite with Christabella, his childhood nurse, for a week. 167 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: He was stationed in her hometown of Bridgewater, where she 168 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: herself had become quite the warrior for the Royalist cause. 169 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 1: She apparently fired a musket at the Parliamentary General and 170 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: then sent her trumpeter to the enemy commander to taunt 171 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: that if he were a real courtier, he would return 172 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:43,319 Speaker 1: the compliment with another shot at her. Charles was thrilled 173 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: to be reunited with his childhood nurse, but his courtier, 174 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: Edward Hyde, was far less thrilled. It was he who 175 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 1: had earlier described her as lacking womanhood, believing that she, Cristabella, 176 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: sought to influence and manipulate the young Charles for her 177 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: and her husband's own gain, which you know, probably to 178 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: some degree was true. Hyde now admonished the way that 179 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 1: she would run across the room to kiss young Charles, 180 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: who happily accepted her affection. Hyde feared that his master 181 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: harbored quote fondness, if not affection end quote for his 182 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: former nurse, which you know you think, sure he probably did. 183 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: But some historians have interpreted this to mean that the 184 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: relationship between them had evolved into something sexual, but there's 185 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: no evidence to corroborate that idea, so the theory is 186 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: more likely just a convenient plot point in young Charles's story. 187 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: Despite that, Christabella was undoubtedly Charles's first crush, and her 188 00:14:56,320 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: headstrongness would certainly inspire his future taste. Speaking of headstrong women, 189 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: let's finally talk about Lucy Walter. There is a definite 190 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: lack of information on Lucy's early life compared to Charles, 191 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: but after all, she was the daughter of Welsh gentry 192 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: and he was the future King of England. Lucy was 193 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: born in Pembrokeshire, Wales, the same year as Charles, but 194 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: in the later sixteen thirties her parents moved the family 195 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: to London. Attracted to high society, Lucy's parents established their 196 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: new home in Covent Garden, the most expensive quarter of 197 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: the capitol. Their attempt to make a name for themselves 198 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: in the city didn't work out as they had hoped, 199 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: and by the time Lucy was ten, there was so 200 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: much strain on their marriage that the couple divorced. It 201 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: was not an easy or simple separation, and it ended 202 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: up playing out messily in courts, with claims of infidelity 203 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:13,119 Speaker 1: and unpaid dowries. 204 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 2: For Lucy. 205 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: This meant she and her siblings would be placed in 206 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: the care of her grandfather and brought up at his 207 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: house near Exeter. We know that she received no formal education, 208 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: but she learned etiquette and. 209 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 2: That's about it. For her childhood. 210 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: She likely spent time, as many children of divorce do, 211 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: bouncing between her grandparents and her parents' respective homes but 212 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: by her mid teens we know that she ended up 213 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: back in London. We also know that she was charming, spirited, 214 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: and a rare beauty, three qualities that she would come 215 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: to rely on. The English writer John Evelyn once famously 216 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: described her as quote a brown, beautiful, bold, but insipid 217 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: creature end quote. After the two shared a carriage later 218 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 1: in her life, and it's believed that she at least 219 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 1: understood her appeal. Lucy was at the age when many 220 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 1: families would begin thinking. 221 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 2: Of marriage for their daughters. 222 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 1: But Lucy's family was not only fractured, but by this 223 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 1: point out of money. Not only that, but England was 224 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: at this point at war with itself, and most of 225 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: her potential husband candidates were on the battlefield. It's likely 226 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:43,239 Speaker 1: that during this time, without a husband or father to 227 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:49,360 Speaker 1: protect her in London, she sought a quote protector. This 228 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 1: protector arrangement, which was almost always in exchange for sexual services, 229 00:17:56,280 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 1: was quite common in seventeenth century London, as it has 230 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 1: been informs throughout history. The man who would take on 231 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: this protector role for Lucy was Algernon Sidney, Younger, son 232 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 1: of the Earl of Leicester and bearer of a family 233 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 1: name that pops up quite a lot on this show. 234 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: He had been injured in battle and was waiting to 235 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 1: be reinstated when he assumed his parliamentary seat as MP 236 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:31,199 Speaker 1: of Cardiff. That was the summer of sixteen forty six, 237 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 1: and at the same time he entered into an agreement 238 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:39,880 Speaker 1: with Lucy. It said she must have made a considerable impression, 239 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: as he paid fifty pounds for her services. He later 240 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: complained that he never received them because he was called 241 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: back into battle and missed his chance. Shortly after Sidney's departure, 242 00:18:54,520 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: the conclusion of Lucy's parents's long divorce proceeding was fined, 243 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:04,679 Speaker 1: finally reached, and Lucy's father was given custody of Lucy 244 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: and her siblings, likely because her mother couldn't afford to 245 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: care for them. It's fairly clear that Lucy didn't care 246 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 1: for her father because rather than move in with him, 247 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: she chose to flee the country, changing her last name 248 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: to Barlow borrowed from a maternal relative, she boarded a 249 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 1: ship to Holland to stay at her uncle's family home. 250 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 1: She wouldn't take much with her except a collection of 251 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:37,919 Speaker 1: letters of recommendation from Algernon Sidney addressed to his younger brother, 252 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: Robert Sidney, who had recently become colonel of the English 253 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 1: regiment in the Netherlands. The letters apparently worked, as Lucy 254 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 1: became Robert's mistress by spring sixteen forty seven. Though Robert 255 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 1: Sidney was married, he was powerful enough that it didn't 256 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: matter if he paraded his a newfound relationship around, and 257 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:07,880 Speaker 1: Lucy likely gained inadvertent access to the heart of culture 258 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: happening in the Hague. 259 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:11,120 Speaker 2: On Robert's arm. 260 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: Robert Sidney was, however, not the most important affair that 261 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 1: Lucy would. 262 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:27,719 Speaker 3: Have in Holland. 263 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: Like Lucy, young Charles also arrived at the Hague seeking refuge. 264 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 1: The First English Civil War ended in sixteen forty six, 265 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: with Charles the first surrendering and the prince going into exile, 266 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: spending much of it in France with his mother. His 267 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: younger brother James, however, was imprisoned in the Palace alongside 268 00:20:56,440 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: their other siblings. By sixteen forty eight, conflict was already renewed, 269 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 1: marking the beginning of the Second English Civil War. James 270 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: managed to escape the palace disguised as a girl and 271 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: safely arrived in the Hague. To live with his sister 272 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: Mary and her husband, William, the second Prince of Orange. 273 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: This feels like one of those spoiler alerts that later 274 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: in history, probably later in a Noble Blood episode, that 275 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: couple comes back. Young Charles, the prince in exile, had 276 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: exhausted his options for aid in France, and so he too, 277 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: traveled to meet his brother and pitch the Royalist cause 278 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: to Mary and William. Lucy and Charles met almost immediately 279 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: upon his arrival in Holland in May sixteen forty eight. 280 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: We don't have details about their first meeting, or about 281 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: how their affair began, or as to how Lucy broke 282 00:21:56,320 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: off her arrangement with Sidney, but we know that Charles 283 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 1: was infatuated from the moment they met. Madame d'lnoy, the 284 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 1: baroness and French author who actually coined the term fairy 285 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 1: tale for her collection of stories, once wrote that upon 286 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: seeing Lucy's beauty for their first meeting, the prince was 287 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 1: quote so charmed and ravished and enamored that, in the 288 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: misfortunes which ran through the first years of his reign, 289 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 1: he knew no other sweetness or joy than to love 290 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: her and be loved by her end quote. The couple 291 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: were both eighteen, and Lucy was almost certainly Charles's first, 292 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:48,360 Speaker 1: possibly only love, despite his already gained reputation as something 293 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: of a cad. Lucy was the first woman Charles began 294 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 1: a relationship with, which explains the buzzy, impassioned language many 295 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: historians youth to describe their affair. On Lucy's part, we 296 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: don't have any real insight into how reciprocal her feelings 297 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:12,880 Speaker 1: truly were, at least on first glance. It's equally likely 298 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,360 Speaker 1: that Charles was the great love of her life as 299 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 1: it is that she was just seeking out more powerful 300 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 1: quote protection, and positive and negative interpretations of her motives 301 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:32,120 Speaker 1: have ebbed and flowed with history and shifts in historical 302 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: schools of thought. What we know for sure, though, is 303 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: that by July Lucy was pregnant, the same month in 304 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: which the Prince Charles would return to his position of 305 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: command and depart with his fleet back to the seas. 306 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 1: In December, tensions escalated back in England, but the Prince, 307 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 1: still in exile, returned to the Hague for the holidays. 308 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 1: At this point in English history, Christmas had been all 309 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: but banned by the Puritan Parliament, associating its festivities too 310 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: closely with indulgent Catholicism and arguing that Christmas encouraged drunkenness 311 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 1: and debauchery. In Holland, however, the festive season was in 312 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 1: full swing, and it can be assumed that pregnant Lucy 313 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 1: joined Charles at court for celebration. Their happy period quickly 314 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: came to an end, though by the time their son 315 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: James was born in Rotterdam on April ninth, Charles had 316 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 1: been gone from the Netherlands two months earlier. He had 317 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: learned of his father's execution, and he immediately set off 318 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: for Jersey, the only one of his father's dominions in 319 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:01,199 Speaker 1: which he was now declared king. His agree that the 320 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 1: death of his father marked a near immediate shift in Charles. 321 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 1: The prince, who had once been described as soft hearted, 322 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: had hardened, and will see the consequences of this shift 323 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: as our story goes on. Baby James was left in 324 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 1: the care of a wet nurse in Rotterdam, while Lucy 325 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:28,199 Speaker 1: returned to Charles's side months later in either Jersey or 326 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: his next destination, Paris, where Charles would reunite with his mother, 327 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: Henrietta Marie in court. It seems the Queen mother was 328 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 1: not too fond of the mother of her beloved son's child. 329 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 1: From Hyde, the man who once admonished the way Christavella 330 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: showed affection to Charles, we get an account of the 331 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: young lady Lucy, who had quote procured a lodging there 332 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: without her majesty consent, and with whom her Majesty was 333 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: justly offended for the little respect she showed toward her 334 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:14,679 Speaker 1: majesty end quote. Hyde prevailed upon Charles to have this 335 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 1: woman removed from court, and the King ultimately complied. We 336 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 1: don't know actually for sure that this woman was Lucy, 337 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 1: but the timeline matches up, and more specifically regarding Lucy, 338 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 1: Hyde later comment that Lucy resided for quote some years 339 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: in France in the King's sight, and at last lost 340 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: his Majesty's favor end quote. And so it's believed that 341 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 1: the couple traveled together for periods through the sixteen fifties 342 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: as Charles made his way to Belgium and the Netherlands 343 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: for negotiations with the Scottish. But the affair between Charles 344 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 1: and Lucy was ultimately destined to end in the place 345 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: where it began. The details we have of the couple's 346 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: post relationship interactions and of Lucy's later life at large 347 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:17,719 Speaker 1: are very limited. There's a letter from May sixteen fifty 348 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:22,160 Speaker 1: five from Charles to Viscount Taife, an Irish Royalist officer 349 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 1: who accompanied Charles into exile, that reads quote, as soon 350 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 1: as I have any money, I will not fail to 351 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: send some to missus Barlow. But in the meantime advise her, 352 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: both for her sake and mine, that she goes to 353 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: some place more private than the Hague for her stay 354 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 1: there is very prejudicial to us both end quote. It's 355 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: widely believed that Taife is actually the father of Lucy's 356 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 1: second child, a daughter named Mary, likely born in sixteen 357 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: fifty one. 358 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:56,400 Speaker 3: When it came. 359 00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 1: To Charles's request, Lucy evidently ignored his warnings she was 360 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: still in the Hague six months later. This prompted Charles 361 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 1: to issue an allowance to her of five thousand livres 362 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:14,199 Speaker 1: per month, which he promised to raise once he was 363 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 1: formally king. Realizing that he could actually control where she 364 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 1: chose to live, the allowance was directed to be given 365 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: at Antwerp quote, or some other place as she shall desire. 366 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: Charles wanted Lucy out of the Hague to avoid scandal 367 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: in the Court of Orange, but scandal Lucy did find. 368 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 1: An account from court reads that Lucy quote was living 369 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 1: a life so disorderly that the princess's own servant proposed 370 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 1: to banish. 371 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 2: Her from the place end quote. 372 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:56,719 Speaker 1: In this case, a disorderly life consisted of having an 373 00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 1: affair with a married man, allegedly at tempting to murder 374 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: a maid who threatened to reveal the affair, and being 375 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: accused by the same maid of having two abortions. Now, 376 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 1: the legitimacy of any of these claims has not been verified, 377 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 1: but for Charles's ye old pr team at the time, 378 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 1: any press was not a good press. Thus Lucy was 379 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 1: apparently persuaded to return to England, where she was imprisoned, 380 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: along with the married man with whom she had had 381 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 1: an affair, her maid, and her brother. Historians have widely 382 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: theorized about why she was arrested and why she returned 383 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: to England in the first place. The most exciting theory 384 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 1: is that she was working for the king as a 385 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: Royalist spy. In reality, Lucy claimed that she had returned 386 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: to claim the inheritance of fifteen hundred pounds left for 387 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 1: her by her mother, who had recently died. The timing 388 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: makes this plausible, but her testimony is riddled with lies, 389 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: including the fact that she was the widow of a 390 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 1: Dutchman who was the father of both of her children. 391 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,239 Speaker 1: She had been the king's mistress, she explained, but they 392 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: had not seen each other for two years and their 393 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 1: child had died. The parliamentary regime would not have treated 394 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 1: her favorably as an active mistress of the king, so 395 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 1: to frame herself instead as a sympathetic widow was likely 396 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 1: a strategic move. Her maid, however, snitched on every detail 397 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: of the affair, which the parliamentary regime at the time. 398 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 2: Was more ready to believe. 399 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: Lucy's arrest covered in the pro Republican newspaper Mercius Politicus, 400 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 1: referred to Lucy as Charles's wife or mistress, and reported 401 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: that order is taken forthwith to dispatch the King's quote, 402 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 1: lady of pleasure and the young heir and set them 403 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: on shore in Flanders, which is no ordinary courtesy end quote. 404 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 1: Learning about Charles having a lady of pleasure was a 405 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 1: great boon for Puritans who supported the parliamentary cause, because 406 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 1: that knowledge reinforced the perception that royals were impure and superficial. 407 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: It's not clear when exactly James had returned to Lucy's care, 408 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 1: but we know that they were together in Brussels in 409 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 1: sixteen fifty eight, when an attempt was made by Charles's 410 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 1: regime to physically remove his son from his mother's presence. 411 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 1: Colonel Arthur Slingsby attempted to detain Lucy in a city 412 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 1: prison while he abducted her son, but this apparently failed 413 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: spectacularly and publicly. Lucy resisted loudly as he attempted to 414 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 1: drag her away, which drew a crowd of spectators who 415 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: were allegedly scandalized at the violence of the colonel, and 416 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: they were moved by the actions of a mother trying 417 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 1: to protect her son. This turned into a diplomatic incident. 418 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: The Spanish ambassador, governor of the Spanish Netherlands, and the 419 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 1: local town council all got involved to protect Lucy, believing 420 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: that the colonel was not acting on Charles's authority. The 421 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 1: colonel actually was, but he had been ordered to carry 422 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 1: out his task quietly, which gave room for the king 423 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 1: to now pin the blame on him. Still, Charles wanted 424 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 1: his son in custody, which prompted one of Charles's chief 425 00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: advisers to explain to the Spanish ambassador that it was 426 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 1: in the father and the mother's best interests to have 427 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 1: baby James collected. Quote, it will be a great charity 428 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 1: to the child, the adviser wrote, as in the conclusion 429 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: to the mother, if she shall now at length retire 430 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 1: herself into such a way of living as may redeem 431 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: in some measure the reproach her past ways have brought 432 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 1: upon her. Basically, if she didn't have the burden of 433 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: an illegitimate baby hanging over her head, she could start 434 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 1: living as an honest woman. If Lucy was to continue 435 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: to live in, as the ambassador put it, mad disobedience 436 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 1: to his pleasure, the King would be forced to disown 437 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 1: both Lucy and their son. Lucy, learning of the King's 438 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: plans to have baby James placed in the care of 439 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 1: a chosen guardian, countered with her own plan that she 440 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 1: would be allowed to live in the home of the 441 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 1: chosen guardian, and she would have a say in the 442 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 1: choice of said guardian. If King Charles didn't agree to 443 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 1: these terms, she threatened she would publish a collection of 444 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 1: his letters that she had in her possession. For a 445 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: short period of time, it seemed that Charles would comply 446 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 1: with these terms, but by the spring of sixteen fifty eight, 447 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:31,319 Speaker 1: a second mission to remove James from Lucy's care was 448 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 1: successfully completed, and the now nine year old bastard prince 449 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 1: was placed in Paris. Charles's agent warned that James was 450 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 1: not yet safe quote from his mother's intrigues, but they 451 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:50,360 Speaker 1: justified the abduction by noting that he observed that Lucy 452 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 1: had not been properly educating her son. The letters that 453 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 1: Lucy had blackmailed the king with were also dealt with 454 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:05,239 Speaker 1: the same Spanish authorities who had once protected Lucy now 455 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 1: complied with Charles's orders to search and seize any papers 456 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:15,839 Speaker 1: that they found. The tragic and ironic aftermath of James's 457 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 1: forced removal from his mother's care is that she would 458 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:24,239 Speaker 1: die that same year. The next account that we have 459 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 1: of Lucy catches us up to where our story began, 460 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 1: with her deathbed confession to John Coussen. The assertion that 461 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 1: she had actually married Charles legally, and that proof was out. 462 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:42,719 Speaker 1: There would be a quiet whisper for years before it 463 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 1: escalated into a roar. England restored the monarchy and invited 464 00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:00,759 Speaker 1: Charles the Second to claim his throne in sixteen sixty two, 465 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 1: years after Lucy died. When their son James was nearly fourteen, 466 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,400 Speaker 1: he was brought to England to live in the restored 467 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:14,440 Speaker 1: Stuart Court, where Charles took an instant liking to him. 468 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,880 Speaker 1: James was legitimized as the Duke of Monmouth. He became 469 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 1: popular among the people for his Protestantism, especially since Charles's 470 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:30,719 Speaker 1: younger brother James had openly converted to Catholicism. The exclusion 471 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 1: crisis and the Popish plot would need dedicated episodes to 472 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,879 Speaker 1: be completely explained, and I think they probably eventually will 473 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:43,880 Speaker 1: get them. But know that in sixteen seventy nine, Charles 474 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 1: the Second would have to make no fewer than three 475 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,799 Speaker 1: public claims that he had only been married once, and 476 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,239 Speaker 1: it was in sixteen sixty two, and it was to 477 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:57,279 Speaker 1: his Queen Catherine. This was because his wife had given 478 00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,040 Speaker 1: him no legitimate heirs, and there was a grit g 479 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,320 Speaker 1: owing faction in England who wanted to name Protestant James 480 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,319 Speaker 1: the illegitimate son with Lucy as the successor to the 481 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 1: throne instead of Catholic. 482 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 3: James, who was King. 483 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,879 Speaker 1: Charles the second brother and this faction were encouraged by 484 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 1: the rumor that James of Monmouth, Protestant illegitimate son was 485 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:27,799 Speaker 1: secretly a legitimate heir. Charles's denial did not have the 486 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,760 Speaker 1: effectiveness that he had hoped for, because after his passing, 487 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:37,520 Speaker 1: Lucy's mythologized confession that the two had been legally married 488 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,840 Speaker 1: would fan the flames of the Monmouth Rebellion, an epic 489 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 1: battle of James versus James that would ultimately cost Lucy's 490 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:53,760 Speaker 1: son his head. Neither the contents of the mysterious black 491 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:59,359 Speaker 1: box she confessed, nor the box itself wherever found, but they, 492 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:04,400 Speaker 1: and by extension, Lucy, had a profound impact on a 493 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:09,319 Speaker 1: pivotal moment in English history. Charles the Second would go 494 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:14,239 Speaker 1: on to have eleven more illegitimate children from mistresses, but 495 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:18,440 Speaker 1: historians conclude that his affair with Lucy in the days 496 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,799 Speaker 1: before he had the weight of the crown on his shoulders, 497 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 1: was the only true love he knew. That's the story 498 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 1: of Lucy Walter and her illegitimate possibly legitimate son James. 499 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,239 Speaker 1: But keep listening after a brief sponsor break to hear 500 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:56,520 Speaker 1: a little bit more about that mysterious box. The truth 501 00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,560 Speaker 1: of the Black Box still evades us, but recently discovered 502 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:05,160 Speaker 1: documentation may shed some new light unto the truth. 503 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:05,960 Speaker 2: Of its existence. 504 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:12,720 Speaker 1: Historians have found a deposition dated April nineteenth, sixteen forty 505 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:17,319 Speaker 1: nine by a sixteen year old named Edward Fenn, who 506 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,840 Speaker 1: spoke on behalf of the honorable Miss Lucy Barlow, also 507 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:26,239 Speaker 1: now staying here in the Hague. Fenn testified that he 508 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:31,360 Speaker 1: had accompanied his master, a naval Captain Robert Killigrew, on 509 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:36,040 Speaker 1: a trip with Lucy from the Hague to Rotterdam. The 510 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:40,359 Speaker 1: contents of the testimony detail that Lucy had with her 511 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:45,279 Speaker 1: in her possession a small cabinet or box, which, by 512 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:49,800 Speaker 1: Killigrew's orders, Fenn was in charge of keeping safe in 513 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:54,560 Speaker 1: the inns where they stayed. Fen was consistently urged by 514 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,840 Speaker 1: his captain to get his hands on the contents of 515 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:02,000 Speaker 1: the box, with him, going so as to purchase lead 516 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:07,799 Speaker 1: to replace the box's minted silver, even ordering Fenn to 517 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,080 Speaker 1: drop the box in the water and remember the spot 518 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:15,480 Speaker 1: where he did so. Fenn reasonably confident that he would 519 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,479 Speaker 1: in fact not be able to retrieve the box after 520 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:23,400 Speaker 1: dropping it in the water. Refused, Killigrew then took matters 521 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:27,160 Speaker 1: into his own hands, and Fenn spied him with the 522 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:32,520 Speaker 1: box under his cloak, taking out quote the papers and 523 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:38,840 Speaker 1: counting the coins of minted gold. Fenn's deposition concludes with 524 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,439 Speaker 1: him explaining that he didn't know if the captain ever 525 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:46,120 Speaker 1: put the money back, but that the box was now 526 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:50,760 Speaker 1: once again in the hands of its rightful owner, Lucy Barlow. 527 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,319 Speaker 1: Based on the captain's earlier orders to Fenn, we can 528 00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,960 Speaker 1: assume that Killigrew was really only after the money that 529 00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,560 Speaker 1: Lucy had stored in box. But what about the papers. 530 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,719 Speaker 1: It's unclear as to why this testimony was being recorded 531 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,400 Speaker 1: in the first place, and all we know is that 532 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:13,440 Speaker 1: it was requested by Lucy only a few days after 533 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:18,120 Speaker 1: her son's birth. Was she seeking to document proof that 534 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,560 Speaker 1: Kilgrew had tried to steal from her despite no further 535 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:26,719 Speaker 1: record of legal action it's plausible, or was she instead 536 00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:31,759 Speaker 1: documenting proof that this cabinet was in her possession? In 537 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:36,560 Speaker 1: a search for answers, we are unfortunately left with only 538 00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:41,640 Speaker 1: more questions. But maybe the fabled box really was nothing 539 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:55,080 Speaker 1: more than a fairy Tale. Noble Blood is a production 540 00:41:55,440 --> 00:42:00,319 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio and Grim and Mild from Aaron Mankie. 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