1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:02,040 Speaker 1: Can't. I am six forty. 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 2: You're listening to the John Cobelt Podcast on the iHeartRadio app. 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 2: We are on every day from one until four o'clock 4 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 2: and if you miss something, that's what the podcast is for. 5 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 2: After four o'clock it's released John Cobelt Show on demand 6 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 2: on the iHeart app. We had a tremendous amount of 7 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 2: material stuffed into the first hour, so if you missed it, 8 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 2: you'll want to hear it later on. Let's we have 9 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 2: a tremendous amount of stuff in this hour as well, 10 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 2: and we're gonna do much of it on the What 11 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 2: happened over the weekend in Minneapolis with that guy Alex Pretty. 12 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 2: Excuse me a second, Alex Pretty. He was shot and 13 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 2: killed in Minneapolis by federal law enforcement, and you know, 14 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 2: there's been a lot of unrest. Let's go to ABC 15 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 2: News correspondent Janelle Klein to tell what the latest is 16 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 2: because Trump and Waltz we're having some kind of I 17 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 2: guess phone meeting today. 18 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: Janelle. How are you? 19 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 3: Hey, Hey John, I'm doing well. Thanks for having me. 20 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 2: What is the is the biggest story of the day, 21 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 2: Waltz and Trump speaking or has anything else crazy happened. 22 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 3: I think that would be maybe the biggest story of today, 23 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 3: followed by two federal court cases that are weighing in 24 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 3: on what ICE is doing in Minnesota. So I think 25 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 3: between the two of them, we've been following those both 26 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 3: very closely today. 27 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 2: What do we know about the Trump Waltz conversation anything, Yeah, what. 28 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 3: We know is that they both posted on social media 29 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 3: saying that they had a brief phone call earlier today. 30 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 3: Waltz called their discussion productive and said Trump agreed to 31 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 3: look into reducing the number of federal agents in Minnesota, 32 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 3: which reports have been at least three thousand ICE agents 33 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 3: have been in Minnesota, both in Minneapolis Saint Paul, but 34 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 3: also in the suburb than an outstate, so really a 35 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 3: large contingent of federal agents that have been in Minnesota 36 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 3: during this surge. He also said Trump promised to work 37 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 3: with the state in a more coordinated fashion on immigration 38 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 3: enforcement regarding violent criminals, which is the reason the federal 39 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 3: government said it needed to be in Minnesota in the 40 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,799 Speaker 3: first place. And the final thing is that Trump now 41 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 3: says he'll talk with the Department of Homeland Security about 42 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 3: making sure that Minnesota Bureau of Criminal apprehension is able 43 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 3: to investigate that fatal shooting Saturday that you mentioned of 44 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 3: Alex Prettie, as well as the shooting a few weeks 45 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 3: ago of Renee Goods. So those are kind of the 46 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 3: three big things that we are hearing came out of 47 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 3: that discussion. 48 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 2: What is the situation in the streets right now? I'm 49 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 2: actually shocked that there's people who want to go and 50 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 2: get into this kind of fighting when it's zero degrees 51 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 2: or den below that. 52 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: Nobody has anything better to do. 53 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's hard to describe, I think unless 54 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 3: you've seen it, but the ice presence is so prevalent 55 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 3: really throughout the city and concentrated, particularly in some of 56 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 3: these neighborhoods in South Minneapolis that are known to have 57 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 3: a large population of immigrants. But you know, in certain 58 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 3: cases and in many cases the videos that you're probably 59 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 3: seeing on social media, it isn't protesters, that isn't people 60 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 3: choosing to necessarily engage, But they're just everywhere, their vehicles 61 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 3: are everywhere, they're walking up and down the streets, they're 62 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 3: constantly taking people into custody, and so a lot of 63 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 3: what you're seeing in terms of pushback is neighborhood watch 64 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 3: groups of people trying to warn others that ices around 65 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 3: and to be cautious. And so that's a lot of 66 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 3: what you're seeing. 67 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 2: Tom Holman is coming to Minneapolis, and Greg Bovino, who's 68 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 2: been leading the operation on the ground in Minneapolis, is leaving. 69 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 2: What can you tell us about that. 70 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, that news just came out recently this afternoon that 71 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 3: Greg Ravina would be leaving tomorrow. He's been a very 72 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 3: visible presence in Minneapolis, not just during press conferences and 73 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 3: sort of the spokesman for what's going on in Minnesota, 74 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 3: but has himself been out on the streets interacting with 75 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 3: people and working with agents to detain people and perform arrest. 76 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 3: So he's going to be leaving tomorrow, and as you said, 77 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 3: Tom Holman will be coming in instead. Trump called Holman, 78 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 3: who is the one time director of ICE, tuff but 79 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 3: fair and said he'll be reporting directly to him. So 80 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 3: we'll see whether this is a shift in the tactics 81 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 3: that they're using and how this affects the operation in Minnesota. 82 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 2: Well, I mean both sides want something, you know, Trump 83 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 2: wants to get you know, starting with the criminal aliens, 84 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 2: including the ones that are in the local jails, and 85 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 2: he wants ICE to have access, and Minnesota has been 86 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 2: denying access to that. In return, Waltz wants all the 87 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 2: three thousand extra ICE agents there to go home. I mean, 88 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 2: there just seems to be room for a deal that 89 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 2: would also maybe create peace apart from all these Waco 90 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 2: activist groups who are I think a lot of those 91 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 2: protesters are paid to create trouble. But any word, if 92 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 2: Trump and Walts can agree on those main issues. 93 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 3: We haven't heard that yet. What we do know is 94 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 3: that I think from the beginning of ICE's presence in Minnesota, 95 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 3: there have been really two different narratives what the federal 96 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:27,679 Speaker 3: government is saying and what the state government is saying. 97 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 3: And so federal agents and spokespeople are talking about their 98 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 3: mission to arrest, you know, these criminals that are walking 99 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 3: the streets of Minnesota, that they claim there's a huge 100 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 3: number of citizens who are here illegally. The state argues 101 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 3: that it's a very very small portion of the population, 102 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 3: and that any of them who are violent or who 103 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:52,599 Speaker 3: have a serious criminal record, they've already prosecuted or they're 104 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 3: aware of, and that they're handling it. So again, two 105 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 3: very different stories coming out of this, and whether they 106 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 3: can agree on what the path forward is remains to 107 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 3: be seen. But certainly that call today is probably hopefully 108 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:05,919 Speaker 3: the start of something more productive. 109 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:07,919 Speaker 1: All Right, very good, thank you for coming on. 110 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 3: Thanks to appreciate you having me. 111 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 2: Janell Klein, ABC News correspondent reporting from Minneapolis. 112 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: We come back. 113 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 2: We'll talk about this further because it is amazing. As 114 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 2: events occur, people forget what the original premise here is. 115 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 2: The original premise is to arrest and deport illegal aliens, 116 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 2: starting with the criminals, and that's just basic enforcement of 117 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 2: the law. And Minneapolis, well, the government itself obstructs ice, 118 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 2: refuses to cooperate to even get the criminals out of 119 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 2: the jails sported, which is what we do here. Minneapolis 120 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 2: very much like Los Angeles, Tim Waltz, very much like 121 00:06:55,040 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 2: Newsome in terms of stupid dad destructive policies. And then 122 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 2: the second thing is, and much of what you see 123 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 2: on television is instigated by these paid violent activist groups. 124 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 2: These I am telling you that most people in Minneapolis yesterday, 125 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 2: with the temperature so sub zero, for God's sake, not 126 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 2: just sub freezing, sub zero, people are not going to 127 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 2: leave their families alone to go out and fight ice 128 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 2: on a Saturday afternoon. There's college football to watch. There 129 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 2: was pro football to watch yesterday. That's what normal people do. 130 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 2: These people are paid violent subversive agitators. That's the only 131 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 2: way somebody would have an incentive to get involved. I mean, 132 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 2: do you really care if illegal alien criminals are getting deported? 133 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 2: That really makes you angry. And if they're deporting illegal 134 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 2: alien non criminal that's not your business either. You'd give 135 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 2: up a weekend with your families to go get bloodied 136 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 2: or shot in the streets. We'll talk more about this 137 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 2: when we come back. 138 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM 139 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 4: six forty. 140 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 2: So Big Ruckus has been going on in Minneapolis, obviously, 141 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 2: and here the latest. You know, we had two killings 142 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 2: in Minneapolis, and there was that woman. And what I 143 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 2: noticed now is the media comes up with descriptors that 144 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 2: is supposed to put people we're doing the wrong thing 145 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 2: in a very sympathetic light, especially if doing the wrong 146 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 2: thing ended up in bad with bad consequences. Started with 147 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 2: Maryland de mand remember him. He was the El Salvadoran 148 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 2: who got deported by the Trump administration and they made 149 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 2: it sound like, oh, he was just a father and 150 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 2: a husband, and turns out that he was involved in 151 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 2: humans smuggling, he beat up his wife, he was an 152 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 2: illegal alien, but he was a marilynd man wrongfully deported. 153 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 2: Then the woman who what was your name, Nicole Good, 154 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 2: Renee Good, excuse me, Renee Good, who got killed? 155 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 1: And she was just a mom. 156 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 2: She belonged to one of these agitator groups and she 157 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 2: intentionally drove her car to block ice. Now you're a 158 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:58,559 Speaker 2: mom or a dad, you don't drive your car into 159 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 2: a dangerous environment. And same thing with this Alex Preddy. Now, 160 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 2: I'm not making a judgment on whether the killing was 161 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 2: within regulations or not. Put it that way. It seems 162 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 2: to be a lot of conflicting stories swirling around. But 163 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:30,839 Speaker 2: he's being described as a nurse. Now, nurses generally work 164 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 2: in hospitals, in doctors' offices, in health clinics. Why do 165 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 2: you put yourself again in like zero degree weather and 166 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 2: an obviously violent situation. 167 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: What interest does he have in. 168 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 2: Criminal illegal aliens? These are the guys who put people 169 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 2: into emergency rooms as victims. Why does Alex Preddie want 170 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 2: to get in the way of law enforcement, arresting criminals, 171 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 2: violent criminals. You're in the business of healing people, treating people, 172 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 2: making them feel better and survive whatever illnesses or trauma 173 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 2: they've suffered. The question is what is a nurse doing there? 174 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:29,199 Speaker 2: What is a mother of three doing in these situations? Now, 175 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 2: I think we're well aware of how crazy and heated 176 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 2: these situations get. And I'm not even going to take 177 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 2: a side here on what's appropriate and what's not for 178 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 2: the moment. What I'm saying is, that's a stupid, stupid 179 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 2: thing to do, is it not? If you knew your 180 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 2: wife or a husband was going to spend a Saturday 181 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 2: or Sunday afternoon not home with the family, not on 182 00:11:55,320 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 2: the job, but going to some insane riot where you 183 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 2: know that ICE agents they're not kidding around, and that 184 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:11,719 Speaker 2: emotions can get crazy on both sides. There's a lot 185 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 2: of weapons. Now, there are reports, conflicting reports that he 186 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 2: actually brought a gun with him. Alex Prendy, We'll see 187 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 2: if that turns out to be true. If that's truth, like, 188 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 2: what the hell so a nurse brings a gun basically 189 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 2: to a riot situation. At this point, we know these 190 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 2: ICE protests as a tinderbox for a riot, and we 191 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 2: also know that these agitator groups are hoping to start 192 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 2: a riot, and that these agitator groups frequently are funded 193 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:48,319 Speaker 2: by the government. We had that situation in Los Angeles 194 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 2: where we had a Hispanic illegal alien group called Churla 195 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,199 Speaker 2: who got thirty four million dollars from Gaven Newsom in 196 00:12:55,240 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 2: the state of California. They were the rapid response during 197 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:06,079 Speaker 2: our ice right in June. But Karen Bass was promoting them, 198 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 2: and by the way, Fox News had a story it's 199 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 2: too long complicated to get into right now, but these 200 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 2: are pretty sophisticated networks. 201 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: They have their. 202 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 2: Group members wandering around with cameras and when they spot 203 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 2: an ICE or Border Patrol official law enforcement officer, they 204 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 2: immediately text or go on one of their group group 205 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 2: social media chats. Two hundred people show up in a 206 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 2: matter of minutes, two hundred of them according to this 207 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 2: Fox News story. So everybody you know, something goes off 208 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 2: on their phone. It's almost like a paging system, and 209 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 2: it's like, be on the corner of Oak and sixth Street, 210 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 2: we have ICE agents gathering. Two hundred people show up, 211 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 2: and they get angry and belligerent and menacing, and some 212 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 2: of these people are bringing weapons. You have to assume 213 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 2: that some of them are having weapons. Now, that is 214 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 2: not that is not expressing your your First Amendment rights. 215 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 2: These are organized subversive groups wanting to disrupt what law 216 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 2: enforcement officials are doing. Let's just call this straight. You 217 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 2: may be sympathetic to illegal aliens. Apparently there's people sympathetic 218 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 2: to criminal illegal aliens. Maybe you hate Trump, whatever the 219 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 2: reason is. What you have are law enforcement enforcing the law. 220 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 2: That's not going to change, not under Trump, not anytime soon. 221 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 2: You know, these things can get violent and at hand, 222 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 2: and not one of these people would tell their kid 223 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 2: or their wife or husband to go and get involved 224 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 2: in this unless they were insane. Most of these people 225 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 2: are mentally ill. These protesters and agitators are mentally ill. 226 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 2: And that's what we're dealing with in the modern world. 227 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 2: Mentally ill people who can now connect with each other 228 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 2: by the one hundreds and thousands and storm whatever they want 229 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 2: to storm, no matter how nuney. The reason is, who 230 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 2: the hell interferes with law enforcement officers arresting criminal illegal aliens. Seriously, 231 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 2: that's some kind of protected endangered collapse class that these people. 232 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: Will fight to the death over. 233 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 2: And then they go run it in there and something 234 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 2: bad happens and suddenly they're a martyr. Should we have 235 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 2: a federal holiday? I this is a craziness, and people 236 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 2: get caught up in this stuff and forget the original premise. 237 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 2: We have criminal illegal aliens, non criminal illegal aliens, and 238 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 2: we have law enforcement. Law enforcement's job is to get 239 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 2: the criminal illegal aliens, and they're allowed to get the 240 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 2: non criminal ones. Because all of it's breaking the law. 241 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 2: It doesn't matter that you don't like it. First of all, 242 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 2: it's the law. Second of all, you lost the election. 243 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 2: Third of all, when the opposition had the power, they 244 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 2: didn't change the law. 245 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 1: So what are you doing? But these people are crazy. 246 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: They bought into. 247 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 2: Some weird bizarre ideology, violent ideology, anarchist ideology. 248 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: They got empty lives. They want to be part of 249 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: the action. 250 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 2: They want to feel like they're noble and courageous and righteous, 251 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 2: whatever the complicated psychology is. 252 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: I don't care. 253 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 2: They're lunatics. They have serious mental health issues. And these 254 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 2: people get to rule. These people get to dictate our 255 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 2: national policy on illegal aliens. These people get to decide 256 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 2: how the border operates and how Border Enforcement and how 257 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 2: ICE operates. Now they don't, and that's why Trump can't 258 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 2: back down. This is only going on in Minneapolis right now. 259 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 2: It's not going on in all the other states. They 260 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 2: have collected I think it's like six hundred and I 261 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 2: think they deported about six hundred and seventy five thousand 262 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 2: people and then another two million have self deported something 263 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:40,959 Speaker 2: like that. Those are the numbers they have arrested, hundreds 264 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 2: of thousands of people. You don't have these riots going on. 265 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 2: You have them going on where you have these well 266 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 2: funded subversive violent agitator groups. That's where it goes on. 267 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 2: Went on in La because Karen Bass was pushing Churla 268 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 2: and Turla had a pipeline to. 269 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: Your tax money. 270 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 2: So these protests are fake, they're staged, there are performance art. 271 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 2: The people involved to get really violent are mentally ill 272 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 2: and ought to be locked up in a mental institution. 273 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:12,400 Speaker 5: All right. 274 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 2: When we come back, Tom Mahalak he is a ABC 275 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 2: News law enforcement contributor, he'll talk about all this. 276 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobel's on demand from KFI AM 277 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 4: six forty. 278 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 2: We're on every day from one until four o'clock. After 279 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:30,360 Speaker 2: four o'clock John Cobelt's show on demand on the iHeart. 280 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 1: App coming up after three o'clock. 281 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 2: We've got more on the wife now of that fraudster 282 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 2: who's being accused of twenty three looting twenty three million 283 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 2: dollars of our tax money here in Los Angeles. His 284 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 2: name is Alexander sufer Well. His wife Ashley a Framian. 285 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:55,959 Speaker 2: She was on the payroll too, for one hundred and 286 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 2: twenty nine thousand dollars. 287 00:18:57,760 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: She's an attorney. 288 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 2: And we have the California Post here with a story 289 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 2: on this couple and what they spent the money on. 290 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,919 Speaker 2: And we're going to talk with Jeremy Lewis. He'll explain 291 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 2: more details. Looks like they blew a lot of money 292 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 2: just on landscaping at their Westwood home. Now, let's go 293 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 2: to Don Mahallick, ABC News Law enforcement contributor, retired senior 294 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:25,360 Speaker 2: Secret Service agent on the Minneapolis situation. 295 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: Don, how are you. I'm good, John, I'm all right 296 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: in Minneapolis. 297 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 2: Obviously, this story seems to change every few hours, every 298 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 2: hour sometimes, and there's a lot of details in the 299 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 2: shooting of alex Pretty that are either murky or people disagree. 300 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 2: It's hard to tell exactly what went on. Did he 301 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:52,679 Speaker 2: have a gun to the best of your knowledge in 302 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 2: his waistband or not? 303 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 6: So according to what the partner of Homeland Security says 304 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:02,120 Speaker 6: is he wasn't a He was in possession of a firearm. 305 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 6: That's the picture that they put out and showed everybody. 306 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 6: Of course, the question is where was it, what was 307 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 6: he doing with it? You know, I've watched a video 308 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 6: a couple of times now, and even with my experience, 309 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 6: I can't tell you exactly what happened there because there's 310 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 6: no context to it. 311 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 5: It's one video. 312 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 6: So I really loved for people to not opine about 313 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 6: what happened and actually have an investigation to curse so 314 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 6: we can actually figure out what really happened there. But 315 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 6: you know, to me, John, this all goes back to 316 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 6: the failure of leadership across the board in Minneapolis with 317 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 6: the law enforcement leaders and with some of our political 318 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 6: leaders who the law enforcement leaders are not collaborating and 319 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 6: cooperating with each other, and then you've got the political 320 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 6: leaders throwing throwing, you know, bombs at each other about 321 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 6: different things, and none of it is good for anybody, 322 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:57,360 Speaker 6: including you know, saying vitriolic things against law enforcement officers, 323 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,679 Speaker 6: including the ICE agents, which in some ways is emboldening 324 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 6: the public because I think they feel like ICE is 325 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 6: invading them, even though in. 326 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:07,640 Speaker 5: This particular situation. 327 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 6: I think they were going after a wanted criminal who 328 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 6: was a rapist or something. 329 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's that's what I'm saying. 330 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 2: But let me just interrupt you for a second, because 331 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 2: I was talking about this in a last segment. If 332 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 2: you have a wanted criminal, a wanted rapist, what normal 333 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 2: person in Minneapolis, where it must be about ten below 334 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 2: zero is going to run out and challenge ICE officers. 335 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: Over that arrest. 336 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,199 Speaker 2: This seems to me like it's like some obviously some 337 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,919 Speaker 2: kind of organized, underground anarchist movement. 338 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 6: I don't think that there are any protests these days 339 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,640 Speaker 6: that aren't organized. I think there is a professional protest 340 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 6: network out there. 341 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 5: I think there's a lot of groups that this is 342 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 5: what they do. 343 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 6: They look for opportunities to wreak havoc during protests. I 344 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 6: think you do get some of the normal people that 345 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,400 Speaker 6: will come protests, but then I think there are professional 346 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 6: agitators that show up from different groups that cause problems 347 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 6: and and the problem is for Joe blow citizen when 348 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,640 Speaker 6: they show up. You know, you never want to get 349 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 6: in between a law enforcement officer who's doing his job, 350 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 6: and you especially don't want to get in front of 351 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 6: the lawn or in between lawnforce and officers doing a 352 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,639 Speaker 6: job if you're armed, because immediately the gun indicates a 353 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 6: threat to the law enforcement officers. But because of the 354 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 6: rhetoric out there, I think people feel like it's their 355 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 6: job or they're on a mission to protect their fellow 356 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 6: neighbors from ice. So all this good work that's being 357 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 6: done by US, I think they've locked up over three 358 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,400 Speaker 6: thousand people in Minneapolis. 359 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 5: All all you know, bad. 360 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 6: People, rapists, murderers, whatever you know that's coming over the 361 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 6: last four years, unchecked. All that's getting lost because of 362 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 6: all the heated rhetoric around what's going on. 363 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: That's what point. 364 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:50,640 Speaker 2: That's three thousand bad people and there's a lot of 365 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 2: there's thousands of victims from those three thousand bad guys. 366 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,159 Speaker 2: And you're telling me regular citizens are angry in the 367 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 2: streets when it's ten below and not watching the foot 368 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 2: games over the weekend. 369 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I just I can't believe that. 370 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:06,239 Speaker 2: I can't believe there's not one normal, average citizen in 371 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 2: the street carrying on like this. 372 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 5: No, I would tend to agree with you. I don't 373 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 5: know of any normal. 374 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 6: Person that wants to go to a protest that would 375 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 6: park their car and block the street, that would run 376 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,159 Speaker 6: up and scream with ICE, people that would try to 377 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 6: get in between them if they were trying to, you know, 378 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 6: serve a warrant or something like that. I don't know 379 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 6: if anybody who throws things at them. I don't know 380 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 6: anybody that would do that to a law enforcement officer. 381 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 6: But this is also the problem when you don't have 382 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 6: to stay in locals with you because the local police 383 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 6: officers they know the area, they know what's going on. 384 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 6: They're the uniform everybody respects because that's the authority figure. 385 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 6: And ICE not having that cooperation with some of the 386 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 6: local jurisdictions out there, they're losing that tool in their 387 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,120 Speaker 6: toolbox when they're going out and they're doing their job. 388 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 6: They don't have a local police presence, So in so 389 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 6: many situations, would deflate the situation just by being there, 390 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 6: because people recognize the police uniform as they do out 391 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 6: where you're at in LA. They recognize the police uniform 392 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,880 Speaker 6: and I know that that's the police and I don't 393 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 6: want to get in between what the police are doing. 394 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 2: And so if Walts and Trump can come to an 395 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 2: agreement and Waltz just supplies local law enforcement justice, provide 396 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 2: security for the area, and facilitate the ICE capturing, let's 397 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 2: start with the criminal aliens. That's what a lot of 398 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 2: states are doing. Most states are cooperating. And you don't 399 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 2: see these scenes in all the other states. 400 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 5: No, you don't. 401 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 6: And that's and that's you know, I tell people like 402 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 6: by them not having the local agencies in working with ICE, 403 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 6: you're you're not a stakeholder, so you're not part of 404 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,919 Speaker 6: the team. So you can't you have no position to 405 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,360 Speaker 6: kind of dictate what goes on when ICE is doing 406 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 6: our operations. In many cases, the locals might come up 407 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 6: with a better plan if ICE want to do something, 408 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 6: but because they're not there, you know, ICE is doing 409 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 6: what they think they need to do. We're seeing in 410 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,199 Speaker 6: resulted at in reality, everybody should sit down, take a pause, 411 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 6: sit down, come up with come up with a plan. 412 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 6: And then, because law enforcement is a team sport, let 413 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 6: the law enforcement agencies hit the street do what do 414 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 6: what they need to do. ICE has a whole list 415 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 6: of bad people they have to pick up. Let's get 416 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 6: the bad people off the street. It'll make Minnesota safer 417 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 6: and better. But the politics are getting away, and we 418 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 6: see what happens when politics getting away. 419 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, do you think Trump and Waltz could 420 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 2: come up with a rational deal that that is there 421 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 2: for the taking that everyone's crying out for. It's pretty 422 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 2: obvious what the way they sought to be handled. 423 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 6: Well, the Attorney General sent Waltz, if this is an indication, 424 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 6: sent Walt's a letter saying what Minnesota needs to do 425 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 6: to get ICE to pivot its operations, and Waltz flatly 426 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 6: rejected every single thing she said. I think what he 427 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 6: should have said is, Okay, let's get in a conversation here, 428 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,360 Speaker 6: instead of doing a press release rejecting everything, Let's get 429 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 6: in a conversation. Let's get on the phone. Let's work 430 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 6: this out. I mean, we know Trump and the Trump administration, 431 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 6: as a friend of mine says, they like to do 432 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 6: maximum flexibility. They like to go to the max and 433 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 6: then they pull back. 434 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,160 Speaker 5: So I think had they got on the. 435 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 6: Phone with the Trump administration and actually had a conversation, 436 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 6: they could have come up with an agreement. Which would 437 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 6: have prevented a lot of this nonsense we're seeing on 438 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 6: the streets. But you know, that's where leadership comes in. 439 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,880 Speaker 6: At some point, the leaders have to like find their 440 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 6: leadership bone and say, Okay, enough is enough, we're only 441 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 6: seeing problems. 442 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 5: Let's figure this out. 443 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 6: Bute Waltz rejecting the age's letter is not is not 444 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:40,719 Speaker 6: going in that direction. 445 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,880 Speaker 2: Do you think that these these these ICE agents are 446 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 2: all trained properly for situations like this? Do these battle 447 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 2: plans seem well thought out? 448 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 5: So? 449 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 6: Right now, ICE has got people that have gone through 450 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 6: like the Federal Laws Lists and Training Center, which is 451 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 6: a full robust training academy for ICE officers. But they're 452 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 6: also bringing in a lot of because of the hiring spree, 453 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 6: they're bringing in a lot of retired people, people twenty 454 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 6: thirty years of law enforcement that they're bringing back into 455 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 6: the law enforcement fold, and they're also putting on the streets. 456 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 6: So I think across the board, the ICE officers you're 457 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 6: seeing are probably either very well experienced or very well trained. 458 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 6: I think the problem is they're being they're going in 459 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 6: and doing situations they're not when they're going into arrest 460 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 6: a criminal, legal alien, for a murder warrant or whatever. 461 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 6: They're not going there to deal with a protest. They're 462 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 6: not going there to have to back off protesters that 463 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 6: have to evade civilian cars that are getting in a way. 464 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 5: That's not what they're geared to do. 465 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,879 Speaker 6: So they're confronting situations when they're out on the street 466 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 6: that they're. 467 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 5: Really not set up to handle. 468 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 6: But if the locals were with them, the locals could 469 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,639 Speaker 6: handle those situations where I iced to go focus on 470 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 6: its core mission. But because that's not happening, ICE is 471 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 6: having to deal with a bunch of stuff that they're 472 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 6: not equipped to deal with, which is putting them in 473 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 6: any bad situations. 474 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 2: All right, Don, thanks for coming on, John, Always good 475 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 2: to talk to you. Don Mahallic, ABC News law enforcement 476 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 2: contributor and retired senior Secret Service agent. Coming up after 477 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,639 Speaker 2: three o'clock, we're going to talk with from californiapost dot com. 478 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:29,679 Speaker 2: Today's their first day publishing, Jeremy Lewis, and we're going 479 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 2: to talk about the wife of the guy who's being 480 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 2: accused of stealing twenty three million dollars in homeless money 481 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 2: living here in Los Angeles and Westwood. Alexander suffer. The wife, 482 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 2: Ashley a Framian, she's an attorney, and it looks like 483 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 2: she was getting one hundred and twenty nine thousand dollars 484 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 2: a year from his fake nonprofit. 485 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:49,959 Speaker 1: More coming up. 486 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM 487 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 4: six forty. 488 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: John Cobelt Show. 489 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 2: Oh I forgot, I haven't mentioned them all Afternoon Voiceline 490 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 2: for Friday eight seven seven Moist eighty six, eight seven 491 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 2: seven Moist eighty six. 492 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 5: So you use the. 493 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 2: Talkback feature on the iHeartRadio app eight seven seven Moist 494 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 2: eighty six. 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We talked 499 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 2: a lot this hour and had a couple of the 500 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 2: guests on Don Mahallock, the law enforcement exert expert with ABC, 501 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 2: Janelle Klein, who's actually on the ground there in Minneapolis, 502 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 2: and you know, I'm I always ask about people who 503 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 2: get victimized in these shootings, who get killed like Renee 504 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:52,479 Speaker 2: Good and Alex preddie. 505 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: It's like, well, why'd you put yourself in play? Why'd 506 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: you go there? 507 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 2: I don't know a soul in my entire life that 508 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 2: would ever go near a situation like that, or their kids, 509 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 2: or their friends or relatives. 510 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: Nobody a zero here. 511 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 2: But we find out these people are connected to these 512 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 2: radicalized groups, and everybody's searching for meeting in life. But 513 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,719 Speaker 2: I want to talk about the Trump administration side of this, 514 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 2: because they've done some stupid stuff. Bill Malusian, who's the 515 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 2: Fox reporter who's based in Washington now, he covered the 516 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 2: border for many years. We've had him on the show 517 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 2: many times. He's really good guy, best reporter, I mean, 518 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,719 Speaker 2: just absolute top top of the pyramid as far as 519 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 2: I'm concerned. And his sources, he says a half a 520 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 2: dozen federal sources involved in immigration, several and senior positions. 521 00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 2: They're uneasy and frustrated with some of the claims and 522 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 2: stories that Department of Homeland Security has been pushing because 523 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 2: Homeland Security officials went on TV claimed that Alex Pretty 524 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 2: was intending to conduct a massacre of federal agents, wanted 525 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 2: to carry out maximum damage. That's not true, and the 526 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 2: Trump administration is running out and saying things that are false, 527 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 2: were wildly exaggerated. Now, he did have a gun on him, 528 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 2: but I saw the same video that Don Mahalick did, 529 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 2: and I don't know exactly what I'm looking at either. 530 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 2: I've seen some theories he had it in his waistband 531 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 2: and one of the officers did pull Pretty's gun out 532 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 2: of his waistband. From what I see with my eyes, 533 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 2: assuming that's Alex Pretty and that was a gun, see, 534 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 2: I don't know what kind of doctor video I'm looking 535 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 2: at these days, and that this particular model of gun 536 00:31:54,880 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 2: has a very delicate trigger and it may have gone off, 537 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 2: and at the same time another officer is shouting gun 538 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 2: and then it goes off, perhaps accidentally, perhaps triggered by 539 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 2: one of the agents, and then suddenly the agent is 540 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 2: pumping nine bullets into Alex Pretty. Maybe that's what happened. 541 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 2: Maybe it's one of those situations where high tension, confusion, 542 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 2: somebody thinks they're in danger, somebody overreacts. 543 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 1: I don't know, But what are you doing there? 544 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 2: If you're Alex Pretty, If you're a hospital nurse, go 545 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 2: to the hospital. If you're a mom of three, don't 546 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 2: be a mom of three. What are you doing here. 547 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 2: You're not gonna stop immigration enforcement. That's never gonna happen, 548 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 2: and spare me your First Amendment rights. You're flattering yourself 549 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 2: to make yourself feel like you're part of this important 550 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 2: movement that's gonna change history. 551 00:32:55,840 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 1: No, you're not. You're not changing anything. You're dead. That's 552 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 1: all you changed. 553 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 2: But the Trump administration coming out saying he was going 554 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 2: to master somebody maximum damage. That's not the case. Clearly 555 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 2: that's not the case. And when you say those things, 556 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 2: then nobody's going to believe you next time. Nobody's going 557 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 2: to believe you tomorrow, next hour. Some of these sources 558 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 2: are telling malusion that the Homeland Security response is a 559 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 2: case study on how not to do crisis. Pr once 560 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 2: said they're so fed up they wish they could retire. 561 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 2: Another said that Department of Homeland Security is making the 562 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 2: situation worse. Fourth one said DHS is wrong. We're losing 563 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 2: this war. They all believe that it's going to end 564 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 2: up looking like a bad shoot, a bad situation that 565 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 2: happened in seconds where agents likely heard gun shouted, then 566 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 2: disarmed the firearm. Well, the firearm was taken away from 567 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 2: press may have been an accidental discharge spook the agents, 568 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 2: they start shooting. The agents don't have multiple angles in 569 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 2: real time to analyze what's going on. You have to 570 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 2: make split second decisions. And if that's true, you may 571 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 2: not see charges in this either. I don't think you're 572 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 2: gonna see charges with Renee Good for sure who was 573 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 2: in the car. But this underlying story is there's most 574 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 2: of the states, there's massive immigration round ups going on 575 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:33,720 Speaker 2: all over the country. 576 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,239 Speaker 1: I mean they've they've. 577 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 2: Rounded up hundreds of thousands of criminal, illegal aliens. 578 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 1: They really have. And you haven't had these situations. 579 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 2: Because local law enforcement, whether it's county sheriff, state police, 580 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:59,880 Speaker 2: local PD, they help out ICE to provide protection, logistics, whatever, 581 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,240 Speaker 2: and then ICE does its duty, and it is their duty. 582 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:05,919 Speaker 2: That's what these guys get paid to do. That's what 583 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 2: our tax money goes for. For the life of me, 584 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:14,280 Speaker 2: I don't understand if why an average citizen wants criminal aliens. 585 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,319 Speaker 2: If you do, I don't want to hear about about you. 586 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 2: I don't want to listen to you. I don't want 587 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,799 Speaker 2: to hear your side of the story. You're a looney tune. 588 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,839 Speaker 2: I don't want to live in your world. Saw I'm 589 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 2: happy ICE is out there arresting hundreds of thousands of 590 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,319 Speaker 2: illegal alien criminals. That's a good thing. So you can 591 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,880 Speaker 2: lay naked on the street when it's twenty degrees below fie, 592 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,879 Speaker 2: go ahead and do that, but yet in the way 593 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,279 Speaker 2: of law enforcement. I know not to get in the 594 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 2: way law enforcement. 595 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:43,400 Speaker 1: Everybody I know knows that, not just Ice, but anybody, local. 596 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,879 Speaker 2: Police, sheriff's deputy, state police, CHP. 597 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:52,319 Speaker 1: Whatever, you do what they tell you. The hell. 598 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 2: I wish there was a lot more media coverage, not 599 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 2: just Fox, of these activist groups, these versive groups. Who's 600 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:07,320 Speaker 2: financing them, who's paying them? I see some of this covered. 601 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 2: Most news outlets are not doing it because they agree 602 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,879 Speaker 2: with these activist groups. They want to see Ice chased out. 603 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 2: They want to see the cops thrown in prison, they 604 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:18,800 Speaker 2: want to see Trump throwarted. 605 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 1: Not many media. 606 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 2: Outlets I trust I can rely on. All Right, we 607 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:35,839 Speaker 2: come back. I've got so much scam news in California. 608 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,439 Speaker 2: We'll talk a lot about that next hour. You heard 609 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,760 Speaker 2: about the guy Alexander Suffer twenty three million he stole, 610 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:47,919 Speaker 2: say the Feds in homeless dollars with his fake nonprofit. Well, 611 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:52,839 Speaker 2: his wife also got six figures. She's a lawyer and 612 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 2: she was on the payroll just like I told you, 613 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,919 Speaker 2: and just hear what they spent the money on. We're 614 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 2: going to talk with Jeremy Lewis from Californiapost californiapost dot com, 615 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,959 Speaker 2: which debut today. Debra Mark Live in the KFI twenty 616 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 2: four hour Newsroom. Hey, you've been listening to the John 617 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,239 Speaker 2: Cobalt Show podcast. You can always hear the show live 618 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,120 Speaker 2: on KFI Am six forty from one to four pm 619 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 2: every Monday through Friday, and of course, anytime on demand 620 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:18,640 Speaker 2: on the iHeartRadio app.