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Speaker 2: I just want to say thank you everybody for joining

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Speaker 2: us this week. It's great to be here with all

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Speaker 2: of you. Busy week in the shop, busy week in

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Speaker 2: the shop, as all of you are preparing to get

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Speaker 2: away for fourth of July. I kept wanting to do

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Speaker 2: a reel this week up on Instagram, and I failed

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Speaker 2: to do it. We were just so busy we couldn't

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Speaker 2: get to it. And by now, well I guess it's

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Speaker 2: too late. You're already where you were supposed to be.

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Speaker 2: You're already where you're going, So you got there. I

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Speaker 2: want to point out though, that do you know where

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Speaker 2: your wheelock key is? And this one's for Andy. At

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Speaker 2: the gym, Andy was telling me the story about his

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Speaker 2: buddy who had a BMW that got a flat after

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Speaker 2: the car was in a pretty severe accent. Was a

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Speaker 2: stolen recovery. Actually, I'm sorry. And you know, he got

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Speaker 2: a flat a couple of weeks later last weekend and

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Speaker 2: when they went looking for the wheelock key to change

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Speaker 2: the spare tire over, he didn't have the wheelock key.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't in the vehicle. And then he had to

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Speaker 2: stay where he was down in Maryland, and it just

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Speaker 2: became a real Michig as his mom would say. So,

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Speaker 2: you know, just make sure look at your lugnuts, right

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Speaker 2: if you've got four lug nuts a five lug wheel.

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Speaker 2: If you've got four lug nuts and one of them

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Speaker 2: looks kind of funny like it's got a little etch top,

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Speaker 2: that's a wheel lock, make sure you know where the

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Speaker 2: wheelock key is in your car before you travel out

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Speaker 2: on the road much further and know where it is

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Speaker 2: and keep it in the same spot. And when you're

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Speaker 2: getting your car back from the repair shop, always check

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Speaker 2: to make sure they put it in that spot. We

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Speaker 2: avoid that problem at the shop. We've got our own system.

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Speaker 2: We will tell somebody, Hey, Tom, here's your wheel lock key.

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Speaker 2: I'll hand it to you. I'll say, hey, this is

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Speaker 2: where we found it. Put it back there. We put

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Speaker 2: a note in the file. But just to know where

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Speaker 2: that wheel lock key is. I felt Andy's frustration. I

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Speaker 2: can imagine his friend's frustration not knowing where that wheel

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Speaker 2: lock key is. He had to stay overnight in a

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Speaker 2: hotel because the dealership wasn't open till Monday morning. So

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Speaker 2: we lost a day's pay and had aggravation, nothing worse.

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Speaker 2: So just be aware where is your wheel lock key.

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Speaker 2: It's so simple and so important. Hey, let's kick the

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Speaker 2: garage doors open this hour. Let's go over to Gil

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Speaker 2: in Tucson, Arizona. Gil. I have to ask, because I

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Speaker 2: think New Jersey had to be hotter than Arizona this week.

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Speaker 2: It was one hundred and three here in New Jersey.

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Speaker 2: Part of the day yesterday or the day before. How

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Speaker 2: hot was it in Arizona?

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Speaker 3: Well, Ron, we we were cooler than you were. We

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Speaker 3: actually had a cooling trend. I don't think I got

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Speaker 2: Well now I think you are correct. Jeez, I feel

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Speaker 2: so much better. Maybe I'm not sure, you know. And

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Speaker 2: you know, I've got to tell you I thought Arizona

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Speaker 2: because I have friends that live in Arizona and New Mexico,

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Speaker 2: and they always say, well, you know, it's a drier heat.

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Speaker 2: I don't care. One hundred degrees is still one hundred degrees.

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Speaker 2: It's hot, brother, So.

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Speaker 3: I agree, it's hot. Yep, anyway you look at it.

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Speaker 3: He also a real mischigasas. What the world is that?

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Speaker 3: That's the new term. I've never heard it before.

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Speaker 2: Michig as. That was my mom. You know, I don't

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Speaker 2: But you didn't argue with mom, you know it was.

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Speaker 2: Mom was four foot ten, and you know it just

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Speaker 2: I don't know who I wanted to face more, all right,

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Speaker 2: with hot rods, they you know, they refer me to

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Speaker 2: the police lieutenant. The police lieutenant would call me up

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Speaker 2: see at headquarters. What time are you going to be there?

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Speaker 2: Tell you didn't want to face mom. You just you

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Speaker 2: just didn't brother because she was fiery.

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Speaker 4: So I love it.

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Speaker 2: How can I help you today, sir?

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Speaker 3: Well, anyway, enjoy your showing his pleasure talking to Tom,

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Speaker 3: and also thank you for the T shirt. I will

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Speaker 3: wear it prouably here in Tucson.

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Speaker 2: Oh, in good health.

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Speaker 4: Sir.

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Speaker 2: We're happy to give it to you. We're giving away

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Speaker 2: T shirts this hour. By the way, for everybody listening in,

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Speaker 2: all you got to do is call in. What's on

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Speaker 2: your mind?

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Speaker 3: My question is this ron. I'm in the market for

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Speaker 3: a new truck, and basically it's come down to which

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Speaker 3: the car company has got the least us problems in

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Speaker 3: their engines. It's basically come down to Ford f one

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Speaker 3: toe probably no more than four to five thousand pounds.

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Speaker 3: So I was considering both the two seven Ego Boost

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Speaker 3: tell you what I've what I've done. I've actually read

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Speaker 3: too much on the internet about about the ego boosts,

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Speaker 3: and sometimes all you hear is the horror stories. But

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Speaker 3: I wanted to have your opinion on, uh, which which

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Speaker 3: engine would you choose to naturally aspirted five to zero

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Speaker 2: I think they're probably both more reliable than they used

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Speaker 2: to be. And I'll tell you why, because they've they've

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Speaker 2: they've both had so many problems. They've both been extensively

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Speaker 2: looked at by Ford Engineering and had so many corrections

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Speaker 2: to them. Me myself, and I'm not I'm not trying

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Speaker 2: to be old school or old fashioned. I will take

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Speaker 2: naturally aspirated over turbo charges and I'll tell you why

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Speaker 2: if I'm keeping the truck short three years. Turbos are great.

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Speaker 2: There are a lot of fun that boost. It kicks in,

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Speaker 2: it takes off it's got horsepower, et cetera. If I'm

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Speaker 2: keeping that truck ten years in year seven, when the

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Speaker 2: I really ready to put four or five grand into

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Speaker 2: it to repair it? And that naturally aspirated engine doesn't

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Speaker 2: have that? Now, now, the turbo motor does give me

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Speaker 2: more bang for the buck in terms of fuel economy.

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Speaker 2: I don't worry about fuel economy. I don't travel far.

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Speaker 2: It's not part of my agenda. But I would probably

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Speaker 2: choose the five zero. Now, before I close this out,

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Speaker 2: the other comment I want to throw at you is

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Speaker 2: if you can find one, I think in the world

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Speaker 2: of GM, a six point six leader, no active fuel management,

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Speaker 2: no turbo, almost four hundred cubic inches, big truck, twenty

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Speaker 2: five hundred. Yeah right, you know, if you can find

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Speaker 2: a two or three year old six six with the

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Speaker 2: with the six speed trans yeah, great truck, great truck,

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Speaker 2: not a lot of problems.

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Speaker 4: All right.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, the inner child in me wants the turbo,

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Speaker 3: but the senior citizen and me does get the five zero.

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Speaker 2: Well, listen, that's a different question. Let me here, wait me,

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Speaker 2: let me change my Okay, I got my other shirt on. Yes,

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Speaker 2: my son, how can I help you? What is it

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Speaker 2: that I can do for you, my child? You know, listen,

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Speaker 2: you know there's an old expression, right, life's too short.

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Speaker 2: By the camaro. Life's too short. Get the turbo, you know,

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Speaker 2: get the turbo, put the extended warranty on it. Do

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Speaker 2: your oil changes. Live a little all right.

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Speaker 3: I have to agree with you, though, I just wanted

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Speaker 3: to hear it from a pro. You know, I've got

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Speaker 3: a five O up. I'm actually looking at the hurricane

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Speaker 3: engine until I started reading about Bellows and then the

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Speaker 3: five to seven. Hemi's got that torque e tork now.

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Speaker 3: So anyway, well, I think you answered my question for me. Ron,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to go to five ozho and it'll give me.

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Speaker 3: I'm just interested in reliability and get me from point

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Speaker 3: A to point B. Yeah, through space and and without headaches.

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Speaker 2: And listen, we could always do we could always do

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Speaker 2: what we did, you know, Listen, I lived through the

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Speaker 2: end of the muscle car era, and I remember when

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Speaker 2: the seventy threes and the seventy fours came out and

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Speaker 2: they had all smog pumps and they had no horse

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Speaker 2: power and a vacuum cleaner had more horsepower than a

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Speaker 2: Chevrolet Big Block at the time. We said, hey, if

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Speaker 2: it don't go chrome it, you can put wheels and

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Speaker 2: tires on it. So you know, if you don't think

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Speaker 2: it's fast enough, just put just put a lot of

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Speaker 2: chrome and bling on it and you'll be through. So

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Speaker 2: Gil t shirts coming. You're away, my friend, and remember.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Everything is so much rot. You're very welcome. Everything is

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Speaker 2: Mischa Guss. Let's let's pull over and take the pause.

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Speaker 2: run on ending of the car. Doctor coming back right

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Speaker 2: after this. Hey, let's go to Joe and Iowa, Joe,

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Speaker 2: how can I help you today? You in your ninety

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Speaker 2: four miles? But what's going on?

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Speaker 5: Yep? I had two vehicles I want to ask you

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Speaker 5: about right sure in ninety four miles. It's my kids truck.

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Speaker 5: And he was driving it here three weeks ago and

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Speaker 5: he drove to the gas station, got fueled and didn't

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Speaker 5: get it restarted. So I told him, I said, well

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Speaker 5: it would crank and everything. He wouldn't fire, and I said, well,

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Speaker 5: go get it right home. We could take him home

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Speaker 5: and get some ether and stuff and told him to

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Speaker 5: put it in a throttle body of a squirt of it,

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Speaker 5: a couple of squirts and see if it fires. Well,

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Speaker 5: it didn't spark or anything. He said, it didn't.

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Speaker 4: Pop her anything.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I figured.

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Speaker 5: I figured it's a electrical issue. And I haven't looked

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Speaker 5: at it. I mean I did glance at it and

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Speaker 5: look it over one day, and I haven't done anything

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Speaker 5: with it because we had some other things going on.

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Speaker 5: But you know, I'm just kind of wondering. I started

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Speaker 5: looking at the manual today and I'm wondering about the

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Speaker 5: ignition control module and how how often do those? Do

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Speaker 5: those go bad?

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Speaker 2: Well, we're you know, keep keep in mind now before

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Speaker 2: you before you go further ninety four, two thousand and four,

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Speaker 2: twenty fourteen, what are we forty? No, we're thirty years old, right,

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Speaker 2: we're thirty two years old? Oh yeah, so, so how

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Speaker 2: often do things fail? Kind of goes out the window. Right.

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Speaker 2: The other question will become parts of availability, just to

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Speaker 2: does it have contaminated fuel in it? All? Right?

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Speaker 5: Uh huh? Probably that was That was my first thought,

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Speaker 2: So I don't I don't. I don't think so, Joe.

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Speaker 2: So that's number one. Number two. Did we pull a

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Speaker 2: Right well, when when it when it didn't run, did

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 2: So right now it's running, but it runs poorly.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I didn't cut. He hasn't drove it or anything.

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Speaker 1: It's all right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: See, I didn't pull the distributor okay.

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Speaker 2: And then let's look at the base of the inside

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Speaker 2: may be multiple problems. It's thirty two years old. All right, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I got two minutes left. What's your second question?

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Speaker 5: Well, the second one is the twenty fourteen niece on Titan,

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Speaker 2: And I will well, Joe, can I ask you why

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Speaker 2: Okay, so here, let's let's let's back up before the

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Speaker 5: Yeah, apparently apparently not when we went to the one dealer.

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Speaker 2: Okay, find another, find find another dealer, Joe, all right.

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Speaker 2: I've never seen a case where if I give them

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Speaker 2: But positive identification. Listen, if they've got that big a

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Speaker 2: Ady and the car Doctor Quentin trim Or Trimmer Motorsports

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Speaker 2: Racing is coming up next. We'll be back right after.

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Speaker 1: This from the city streets to the open roads.

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Speaker 3: And now.

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Speaker 2: If you're ready's help will keep you only away. Yay's

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Speaker 2: You know, racing is a big part of America, and

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Speaker 2: their wall Stadium, mister Trimmor, Welcome back, sir.

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Speaker 4: How you doing to talk to you guys?

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Speaker 2: Look at this right, you're you're you're like now, you're

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Speaker 4: So really great, great to be here. Thanks for having

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's always a pleasure listening. We love

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we were somewhere in the middle of the field.

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Speaker 2: So where are you now? I mean, I understand the

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Speaker 2: You can't do that. I can imagine.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it has to be because you know that adjustment

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Speaker 2: you guys you know in similar cars? Do you think

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Speaker 2: or is it a safety thing? Is there a reason

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Speaker 2: why that, you know, too low of a ride height

435
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Speaker 2: is a problem? Did they did they mention it?

436
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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm sure there's a few reasons for it. Primarily,

437
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Speaker 4: I'm almost certain it's for performance reasons. You know, the

438
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Speaker 4: lower the car gets you can kind of do a

439
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Speaker 4: little a couple of things with the justins that are

440
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Speaker 4: going to pick up some speed. The other thing is,

441
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Speaker 4: you know, these cars are traveling pretty far going in

442
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Speaker 4: the corriers to the point where you see some of

443
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Speaker 4: these modified cars they're smacking the track with their belly

444
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Speaker 4: pen going through the corner. Right, So, whether it be

445
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Speaker 4: for pavement preservation or for performance. I'm figuring it's more

446
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Speaker 4: the latter.

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Speaker 2: Quinn for everybody, refresh everybody's memory. You're driving what kind

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Speaker 2: of a car?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I'm driving a Sportsman Modify, which is like

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Speaker 4: a it's a stock car with open wheels and a

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Speaker 4: big three fifty Chevy.

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Speaker 2: Motor and it'll I believe it does one hundred one

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Speaker 2: hundred and ten down the straight.

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Speaker 4: That's right, we're getting upretty quick down those tradeaways, going

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Speaker 4: about ninety through.

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Speaker 2: The And how big of a track? How big is

457
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Speaker 2: the oval?

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Speaker 4: So only have a third of a mile and it's

459
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Speaker 4: shaped like a paper cliff.

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Speaker 2: So so is the car sideways half the time?

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Speaker 4: I mean, for what it's worth, Uh, you want it

462
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Speaker 4: to be a little sideways. Right. The saying is loose

463
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Speaker 4: is fast. And when I say loose, I'm talking about oversteers.

464
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Speaker 4: So we're not back in kicking out just a little

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Speaker 4: bit to the point where it's handling. Then that's pretty

466
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Speaker 4: quick because you don't want to be too too much

467
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Speaker 4: in the wheel for lack of a better word. So

468
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Speaker 4: it's pretty sideways pretty much a good portion of the

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Speaker 4: corner if you're going fast enough.

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Speaker 2: So the first race you finished fifth that you had

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Speaker 2: after or was that the opener? No, the opener you

472
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Speaker 2: finished fifth?

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Speaker 4: Uh yeah, so I think the opener we finished we

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Speaker 4: finished sixth actually, okay, so right from a sixth place

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Speaker 4: and then the fifth and a fifth and then.

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Speaker 2: You've had you had, you had another one after that.

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Speaker 2: The second race was a twenty five lapper, and you

478
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Speaker 2: qualified second again, right yep, so very much.

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Speaker 4: Similar to the one hundred laper. We came out qualified second,

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Speaker 4: really strong. We had finally kind of figured out what

481
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Speaker 4: that issue was and we wanted to give it just

482
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Speaker 4: a little bit of an extra turn, and we went

483
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Speaker 4: a little too far. So we started second. Started battling

484
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Speaker 4: on the top side because we started on the outside

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Speaker 4: of the track, so cars on my inside, my left

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Speaker 4: for if you're looking at the track straight, but we

487
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Speaker 4: were on the outside. And what that does is it

488
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Speaker 4: tears up the tires a little bit too much. Heaps

489
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Speaker 4: up that right rear when you lose grip and that

490
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Speaker 4: tire because they get too hot. You end up trailing

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Speaker 4: back a little bit. So we were fighting pretty good,

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Speaker 4: had to fall back into fifth, but another top five.

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Speaker 4: Not a bad finish, so.

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Speaker 2: No, not at all out of curiosity. Go back to

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Speaker 2: the one hundred lap race. Do you change tires in

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Speaker 2: that race or you get through the whole race on

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Speaker 2: one set of tires.

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Speaker 4: Nope, We'll get through the whole race on one set

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Speaker 4: of tires. We started using a different compound, a different

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Speaker 4: manufacturer of tire this season, specifically at Wall Stadium, and

501
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Speaker 4: that manufacturer these tires seem to last a whole lot

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Speaker 4: longer and keep some good speed throughout the race. So

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Speaker 4: fortunately that tire change allowed us to make that long

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Speaker 4: of a stretch. In the past, we've only done fifties,

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Speaker 4: maybe seventy.

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Speaker 2: Five on occasions, and then you've had to come in

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Speaker 2: and change tires.

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Speaker 4: No, No, not at all. So at that point, those

509
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Speaker 4: races unfortunately come down to savings because those tires fall

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Speaker 4: off in about twenty five laps. The old compound, I mean,

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Speaker 4: you would have to really take it easy and kind

512
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Speaker 4: of slow yourself down and make sure that you weren't

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Speaker 4: tearing the rubber off of them.

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Speaker 2: Gotcha, gotcha? So you had the twenty five lapper, you

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Speaker 2: finished in the top five. What do you guys learn

516
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Speaker 2: out of this? Maybe just you know, is there a

517
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Speaker 2: point where you're going to leave the car alone, is it?

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Speaker 4: You know, enough is good and leave it be so

519
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Speaker 4: not technically right, So we want to get into a

520
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Speaker 4: sort of a baseline right where we can unload the

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Speaker 4: car every week and we're generally on pace, the handlings

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Speaker 4: working in our favorite to the point where all we

523
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Speaker 4: need to do is make minor tweaks every week to

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Speaker 4: chase after the track, whether it's rubbered up, whether you know,

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Speaker 4: it rains during the week and there's no rubber on

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Speaker 4: the track, hot out, if it's cold out, all these things.

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Speaker 4: You know, even if the sun's on turns one to

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Speaker 4: two and they're shade on three and four. You got

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Speaker 4: to make minor adjustments to chase after those sorts of things.

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Speaker 4: But if we can get to a good baseline where

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Speaker 4: we feel confident, and that's where're kind of at right now,

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Speaker 4: that's ideal.

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Speaker 2: Rubbered up. Explain that term to us Quinn.

534
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, sure. So when the modifies and the sports and

535
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Speaker 4: modifieds go out on track, even you know, ledged cars

536
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,640
Speaker 4: factory stocks for cylinders, they all have different tires that

537
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Speaker 4: have a bunch of you know, obviously they're mide of rubbers,

538
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 4: some slicker than others. But as those tires get hot

539
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Speaker 4: on the track, that rubber melts off and kind of

540
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 4: sticks into the pavement and makes it kind of a

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Speaker 4: rubber surface, if you will. So when you're racing on

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Speaker 4: that it gets you know, really hot out and the

543
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 4: tracks getting hot, that rubber surface gets pretty sticky and

544
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Speaker 4: you get a lot of traction there. You can get

545
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 4: too hot and that rubber actually becomes like a liquid,

546
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Speaker 4: it gets kind of slick, and you've got times where

547
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Speaker 4: the track's cold, maybe during the months like October, where

548
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 4: that rubber gets really grippy because that medium heat. So

549
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 4: you've got to think about what rubber does when it

550
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 4: gets hot versus when it gets cold, because we're basically

551
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Speaker 4: driving on the rubber more than we're driving on the papers.

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Speaker 2: Wow, I never would have thought the tire peeling apart.

553
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Speaker 2: It's got to be an issue. So you're going into

554
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Speaker 2: the July eleventh race, Now you've got to you've got

555
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Speaker 2: two top fives. You think you've got the car handling right.

556
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Speaker 2: Where do you think you're going to finish? What are

557
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Speaker 2: your hopes?

558
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Speaker 4: Well, look, I'm hoping to finish, you know, somewhere in

559
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Speaker 4: that top five. Again, obviously I'm aiming for that checkered

560
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 4: flag if we can figure out you know, I think

561
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Speaker 4: we're at that baseline now. We kind of kind of

562
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Speaker 4: have a good set of information on setups, so we're

563
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 4: just waiting to get out there and try how you know,

564
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 4: the weather is not that too kind to us, but

565
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Speaker 4: I'm really hoping that we can get into that top three,

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Speaker 4: maybe push those finishes up. Then maybe with a little

567
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Speaker 4: bit of a little bit of luck in a good

568
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,199
Speaker 4: qualifying run, we can get that thing up front for

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Speaker 4: the Shecker Quinn.

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Speaker 2: Does the track change season to season race to race?

571
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Speaker 2: Do you have to constantly tune and adjust the car?

572
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Speaker 2: Are you doing it because the track has got tied,

573
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 2: you know, rubbered up as you say, Or is it

574
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 2: is it that the track changes, the car settles. What

575
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 2: makes the car where you're always adjusting things every race

576
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Speaker 2: every season?

577
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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, you know it's it's definitely a race to

578
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 4: race more so than season the season. But there's a

579
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Speaker 4: whole bunch of factors. I don't want to talk too

580
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 4: long about it, but you know, even if the pavement

581
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 4: gets torn up, just so many cars hitting it. That's

582
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Speaker 4: why you see some tracks do repavements, and uh yeah,

583
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 4: if the track had some rain hit it, then all

584
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 4: that rubber, a lot of it that's stuck in those

585
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 4: pavement cracks can get washed out and uh and that

586
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 4: surface will behave completely differently. And also you know, if

587
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 4: you get any contact during that during the season and

588
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 4: you know, maybe bumps, you you bump a tire with

589
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 4: somebody that bends a rod just ever so slightly, you

590
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 4: don't catch it. You got to adjust the geometry to

591
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 4: make up for that difference. And you know, everything's made

592
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 4: of metal, and as we know, metal gives if you

593
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 4: hit it hard enough. There's any ways that you gotta

594
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 4: gotta account for those things to make sure the car's handling.

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Speaker 2: You guys have a lot to deal with. Quinn, we're

596
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 2: gonna go. Is there a place that listeners can keep

597
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 2: up with you? Facebook or social media or something? What

598
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 2: do you got?

599
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely so. On Facebook we're at Quinn Schrimmer Racing,

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00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 4: and on TikTok and Instagram it's Trimmer Motorsports.

601
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Speaker 2: One word cool being thank you, You're welcome. Say hi

602
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 2: did that? I'm Ron and Andy and the car Doctor.

603
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 2: We're back right after this. Look back. You know, I

604
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 2: think of Quinn Schimmer and battling around that third mile

605
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 2: track down there at roll Stadium at one hundred plus

606
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 2: miles an hour, you know, wheel to wheel just inches

607
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 2: away from each other. And one of the things we

608
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 2: haven't talked about yet, and maybe I'll try to bring

609
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 2: it up next time. What does it feel like? You know,

610
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 2: because it's got to be on your mind. If the

611
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 2: guy next to you screws up, he's gonna take you out.

612
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 2: You know, you're in the accident as well, So it's

613
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 2: got to be a little hair raising. And I guess

614
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 2: that's racing, right, Rubbing is racing, is the saying goes,

615
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 2: Let's do some mail. Here's the shortest email question I

616
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 2: think I've ever gotten. I'm gonna do my best to

617
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 2: answer it. I don't know where this is.

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Speaker 3: Going to go.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Ron, I think you have talked about Subaru head

620
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 2: gaskint problems, but how about the engine oil leakage? Another

621
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Speaker 2: four thousand dollars repair? Rich, Rich, I need more than that.

622
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 2: You know what year, make model, how many miles are

623
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Speaker 2: on it. Subaru is in general, in this mechanics opinion,

624
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 2: get to be expensive as they get older, and they do.

625
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 2: They're just one of the higher maintenance required vehicles, especially

626
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Speaker 2: if you do it by the book, and if you

627
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 2: do it real world, it gets even worse. You know,

628
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 2: it's sixty thousand miles on a typical Subaru, You're you're

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Speaker 2: doing spark plugs on most of them, you're doing all

630
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,719
Speaker 2: the drive line fluids, You're you're doing fuel system cleaning,

631
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 2: you're spending a grand, you're spending your twelve thirteen hundred

632
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 2: dollars depending on what you know. And then at that

633
00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 2: mile it's too It always seems like it hits Whord's

634
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 2: and it's tires and high mileage vehicle, high maintenance vehicle.

635
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 2: Rather and I'm not saying it's a bad vehicle, just

636
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 2: know what you're getting. Now you're talking about engine oil leaks. Well,

637
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 2: are we talking about two one thousand miles Subaru engine

638
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 2: oil leaks? Heck at two hu one thousand miles, you

639
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 2: owe it an engine reseal. And you know, part of

640
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 2: the way I look at it is be fortunate. It's

641
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 2: fairly easy to pull the engine out, and I wouldn't

642
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 2: do it any other way than to reseal the entire engine.

643
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 2: You take one hundred to one hundred and fifty thousand

644
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 2: mile and up engine of anything any brand, any manufacturer,

645
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 2: and you go to reseal it, change your rearmain seal.

646
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 2: If that remain seal is rock hard, then every seal

647
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,719
Speaker 2: in that engine is rock hard. And when do they

648
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 2: start leaking? Not a common practice. Subaru is one of

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Speaker 2: the car companies though, that doesn't. And I got to

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Speaker 2: tell you, I think it's right. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: we can look at well, gee, it's four thousand dollars

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Speaker 2: something I said right here on this radio show twenty

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Speaker 2: years ago. Was it really twenty years ago? God, I've

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Speaker 2: been doing this a long time, but I said it

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Speaker 2: twenty years ago. You know, it's not what it's going

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Speaker 2: to cost you, it's what it's going to cost you

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Speaker 2: to replace. We have seen repair bills and estimates and

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Speaker 2: the cost of repairing a vehicle climb dramatically in the

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Speaker 2: last seven or eight years. And I guess we could

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Speaker 2: blame it on COVID, and I guess we could blame

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Speaker 2: it on economic times, but it really traces back to

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Speaker 2: the price of the replacement vehicle. The price of the

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Speaker 2: replacement vehicle goes up, the price of repairing that vehicle

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Speaker 2: goes up. In nineteen seventy two, when dirt was invented,

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Speaker 2: and I was a young kid. I was doing water

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Speaker 2: pumps in the bay for Billy at the Texaco. One

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Speaker 2: of my first jobs, I was doing small block Chevy

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Speaker 2: water pumps. A small block Chevy water pump in nineteen

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Speaker 2: seventy two was about two hundred I remember two fifty

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Speaker 2: nine and two eighty nine. If it had a thermostat

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Speaker 2: was it was a little bit more. It was under

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Speaker 2: three hundred bucks the water pump, thermostat, and I probably

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Speaker 2: threw in an oil change. Now you fast forward that,

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Speaker 2: where are we fifty years later and fifty something years later?

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Speaker 2: And look at how much a water pump costs on anything?

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Speaker 2: And small block chevyes may be long gone, but the

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Speaker 2: engines of today that have replaced it are even more expensive.

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Speaker 2: But aren't they relative to the replacement cost or value

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Speaker 2: of that vehicle. Put a water pump on a I

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Speaker 2: don't know an LSGM anything right, and service it and

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Speaker 2: do hoses like we did on that small block water

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Speaker 2: pump replacement so many years ago. It was radiator hoses,

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Speaker 2: water pump, thermostat and a coolant exchange. Do the same

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Speaker 2: job on a regular Silverado Chevy pickup. It'll be fifteen

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Speaker 2: hundred and two grand by the time you're done, special coolant,

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Speaker 2: fancy hoses, hoses that enter tea and go into other hoses.

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Speaker 2: So it's four thousand dollars to reseal the engine on

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Speaker 2: a Subaru that bad. I don't know. You know, is

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Speaker 2: it an eight to nine year old Subi, which is

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Speaker 2: typically around the timeframe that this happens. Is it a

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Speaker 2: higher mileage Subaru. I've seen some suber Us. Yeah, they'll

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Speaker 2: go one hundred and fifty maybe two hundred thousand miles,

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Speaker 2: and then they start to leak oil. They're allowed to

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Speaker 2: leak oil. Rich unless you've got a specific case and

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Speaker 2: a specific example of Oh it's this particular model and

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Speaker 2: we see it all the time. I think we have

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Speaker 2: to look at You can't take it out of perspective.

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Speaker 2: You can't take it and say, well, why does it

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Speaker 2: leak oil? I don't know how old is it? How

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Speaker 2: many miles do I have on it? How has it

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Speaker 2: been used? What sort of maintenance has been done to it?

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Speaker 2: Because that all comes back to it. Do I think

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Speaker 2: it's worth four grand? I think it's cheaper than replacing

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Speaker 2: the car. And that's the bottom line. A five five

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Speaker 2: five six nine nine zero zero. I'm running eney in

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Speaker 2: the car doctor. I'll be back right after this to

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Speaker 2: wrap it up. Don't go anywhere, okay, listen, I'm running late.

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Speaker 2: We got to get out of here. So I just

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Speaker 2: want to wish everybody healthy and happy fourth of July.

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Speaker 2: I want you guys to go dive into that as

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Speaker 2: cheeseburgers and hot dogs and watermelon because it's that time,

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Speaker 2: all right, It's barbecue time, so let's get out there

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Speaker 2: and do it. Let's get the job done. I want

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Speaker 2: to say thank you for being with me as always.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate getting to talk to each and every one

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Speaker 2: of you each and every week, and I want you

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Speaker 2: to know that we appreciate also what you're doing for

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Speaker 2: us on the podcast and the store. You guys really

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Speaker 2: seem to be liking the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary

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Speaker 2: t shirts and we're happy to have given some away today,

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Speaker 2: and I want you to know that in the future

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Speaker 2: we'll be doing it again. But in the meantime, get

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Speaker 2: out the card doctorshow dot com and you can go

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Speaker 2: shopping on your own. I'm ron An eighty in the

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Speaker 2: car Doctor. Till the next time. Good mechanics aren't expensive,

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Speaker 2: they're priceless. See Yay Doctor cur advice to all ride