WEBVTT - Checking In Replay: Devi Brown 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.040 Welcome to Checking In with Michelle Williams, a production of 0:00:03.080 --> 0:00:14.400 iHeartRadio and The Black Effect. 0:00:18.520 --> 0:00:19.840 What's up to everybody? 0:00:19.960 --> 0:00:24.120 Thank you for checking in. We have another wonderful episode. 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:26.880 I'm so thankful that y'all continue to check in and 0:00:26.920 --> 0:00:32.240 subscribe and download our podcast now today, I'm so excited 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:34.519 I've said that word about three times already in the 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:38.960 span of one minute to have this beautiful guest checking 0:00:39.120 --> 0:00:44.720 in with us. Her name is Debbie Brown. When I 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:49.960 tell y'all, she is so soothing. She focuses on mental health, 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:54.040 you know, an advocate for healing. She is an author, 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:59.160 a successful podcaster, master educator, and y'all, she works for 0:00:59.280 --> 0:01:04.200 organizations such as Chase, Microsoft, Chopra, and other Fortune five 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:05.160 hundred companies. 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:07.520 Please welcome Debbie Brown. 0:01:08.160 --> 0:01:11.560 Yay, I'm so happy to be here girl. 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:14.840 Okay, y'all. I've been following Debbie for a couple of 0:01:14.920 --> 0:01:15.640 years now. 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:21.000 She inspires me as someone with consistency about what her 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:24.840 calling is and as much as we could veer off 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:27.640 and be tempted because social media will make you feel 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:31.399 like you're supposed to be a healer, a mental health advocate, 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:37.920 a gardener, a singer, a carwash. Then I feel like, Okay, 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:41.440 I didn't clean my shoper good enough because Tamar or Bradshaw, 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:45.040 she's on Instagram. She uses these rubbers and she got 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:48.040 Amazon links to where you can buy all these cleaning supplies. 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:50.480 But Debbie, you just. 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:57.040 You know, you're an educator and you do amazing healing 0:01:57.120 --> 0:02:01.800 work not only for individuals, but fourtune, five hundred companies 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:02.920 call on you. 0:02:03.480 --> 0:02:08.840 Thank you for this reflection. I feel so seen yourl right, 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:12.680 I so know what you're speaking to. And I think 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:17.000 so many were in this kind of vacuum for really 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:21.240 the last decade, since we all started actively using Instagram 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:24.160 and social media so regularly, Like it changed the way 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:27.920 people I think were able to adult because we were 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:31.160 in this vacuum of comparison kind of without our consent. 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:35.359 It started out as like excitement of like, wow, there's 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:38.240 so many different people, people live so differently, or wow, 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:41.280 I can get this knowledge or information here. I found 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:44.120 my tribe, and then it turned into I think for 0:02:44.200 --> 0:02:48.520 so many living a life of not enoughness, a feeling 0:02:48.639 --> 0:02:52.800 like everything had to be documented, everything you had to 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:56.600 teach because you did it once, or you know, everything 0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:59.000 has to be compared to well, am I doing great? 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:00.880 If I look at that person and I think it's 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:06.520 just a very unnatural, really twisted, unhelpful, unhealthy way to live. 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:09.240 And so like the way I am on social media, 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:11.840 I just I want to be very clear because I'm 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:14.399 not an influencer. I'm not here for the people. I'm 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:17.160 here to share the work God calls me to and 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:20.680 I'm here to share things that I find interesting and 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:23.880 hopefully the people that find me. You know, we can 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:26.160 kind of speak the same language. But I'm not looking 0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:29.720 to attract everyone. I'm not looking to build my following. 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:31.440 I'm looking to live my work. 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:35.000 Were you always okay with that? Were you ever tempted 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:39.280 to like say, like, I'll okay, y'all, she's gorgeous aesthetically right. 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:41.080 Were you ever tempted to be like, you know what, 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:44.720 I could get a redkindal for my curls. 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:52.360 Whoived Debby if they call you, please, If Shame moisture, 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:56.080 whoever wants to invest in you, please, ma'am, go for it. 0:03:56.680 --> 0:03:58.520 Yeah, but always bring it back to healing. 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:03.280 Always bring it back to healing. You know, absolutely, yes, 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:05.920 you know. To answer your question, I think I'll be 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:08.680 really honest with you like, I think we're in the 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:11.360 age of authenticity. I think that we are in a 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:14.720 new era of women of ways that were allowed to 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:18.840 be multi hyphenate, multi dimensional. And I think because of 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:23.159 that now it feels more comfortable for me to be 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:26.880 myself on social. But I had a hard time. I'm 0:04:26.920 --> 0:04:30.039 not naturally pulled to do things I see other people doing, 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:32.200 Like my spirit kind of rejects it, maybe in an 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:36.599 over the top way sometimes. But I felt like, honestly, 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:40.240 like I didn't belong on social for years because there 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:43.200 was this whole era where the in thing to do 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:46.520 was to share how good you were at tearing another 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:49.520 person down. You know, like there was this era where 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:53.440 anything that you would say someone some stranger in a 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:57.480 distant land or somewhere else would just meet you with negativity. 0:04:57.480 --> 0:04:59.440 And it was years of that, and anytime I try 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:01.760 to poke my head up and be myself on social, 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:05.640 I'd get these comments that would say, so many you're stupid, 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:08.479 you're ugly, you're this, or oh, you think like the 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:12.680 most irrational things. And so, you know, as someone that 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:16.000 does not believe in tearing people down, for someone that 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:19.359 it doesn't occur to to try to show off my 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:22.600 language and my vocabulary by how painful it can be 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:26.200 for someone else. Yeah, I was sharing that I've been 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:29.320 sharing the same stuff for years, but it just wasn't 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:33.120 resonating because we were in a different moment as a society. 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:36.520 Either we weren't ready or it just wasn't God's time. 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:39.760 How many people have been doing this for years and 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:43.360 then all of a sudden, one thing that they said 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:46.839 resonates with millions or it goes viral. But you're like, 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:50.560 I've been talking his talk for ten years. I've been 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:54.520 doing this, you know. And so I love timing. I 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:58.120 love God's timing. I love when he knows that something 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:01.440 that you have to share is me on a broad 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:05.200 scale in the world and in this earth, and God 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:06.120 makes it happen. 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:08.119 That makes it happen. 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:11.520 I love to see the elevation of people in which 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:15.119 I can spot and say God did that. They didn't 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:19.719 manipulate it themselves. God did that. 0:06:19.720 --> 0:06:23.160 That is so beautiful everything that you're saying, It's just 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:26.320 like this morning, I was driving back from dropping my 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:31.640 son at preschool, and I just felt so overwhelmingly grateful 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:34.680 for the divine timing of God, you know, And every 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:37.080 time that I was irritated in my life or felt 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:40.200 like things weren't fast enough, or that it should be now, 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:43.880 or like this, I just felt so grateful for every 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:46.960 time I didn't get my way because it wasn't right. 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:50.000 It's not right till it's right. And you can't see 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:54.320 that into the patience, like the surrender, the cultivating a 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:58.080 deep practice of patience. People don't speak to the challenge 0:06:58.080 --> 0:07:01.240 of it enough. But it's hard, hard, hard. It's hard 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:03.880 to be patient when you think you know. It's hard 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:06.360 to be patient when the world is moving out of 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:10.960 particular speed or frequency. But it is always in divine time. 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:14.400 Always, And it's amazing when you talk about the world 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:17.880 is moving at a particular speed. Yes, the world is 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:20.920 moving at a particular speed, but you still have a soul, 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:22.840 you still have. 0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:24.560 A physical part of the body. 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:27.560 And I feel like a lot of us are stressed 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:30.040 and burnt out because we're trying to move at the speed. 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:33.240 It's like we're on a freeway. Say the speed limit 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:36.440 is seventy okay, I'm a seventy okay, maybe seventy five, But. 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:37.240 Then there's a car. 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:40.440 Other cars are going eighty five ninety five, and it's 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:43.280 we're naturally inclined at least I am to be like, Oh, 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:46.960 I've got to go with the flow of traffic. When 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:50.680 I mean the flow of traffic, how fast traffic is going. 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:54.400 So I like in what we see on a daily basis, 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:58.320 say on social media, they almost dictate other cars how 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:01.120 fast you're supposed to be, and it has you out 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:03.360 of time, out of rhythm. You might arrive to your 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:10.480 destination early and you ain't ready to be there so early, 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:13.240 or you get out the car and the door is 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:15.280 locked because you ain't supposed to be there right now. 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:16.040 It's you early. 0:08:16.120 --> 0:08:18.520 They ain't even unlike the doors yet. But I got 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:22.200 here early, you know what I mean, versus at the 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:23.600 right time. 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:29.160 And I'm excited to talk to you about healing and 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:30.760 timing of it. 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:36.400 Oh that was so beautiful. Yes, yes, yes, y'all. 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:40.320 I met Debbie in person at Charlemagne's Mental Wealth Summit 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:44.480 in New York and there were so many amazing people 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:50.640 in the room, practitioners, psychiatrist, psychologists, and therapists. But your 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:53.680 process might be a little different in the healing space 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:59.040 than that of traditional therapy. Get us into your process 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:01.559 of how it's different than traditional therapy. 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:08.840 I really believe that to truly heal, to truly release things, 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:12.200 to truly call in more for your life, a higher vision, 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:15.800 to come into the real remembrance of your wholeness, to 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:19.600 expand in who you are. It is never one thing. 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:26.000 So I think therapy is phenomenal psychiatry. It's phenomenal. Praise 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:29.160 God for the ways that these fields have been able 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:32.880 to evolve over the centuries, for the kind of knowledge 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:37.920 we're able to come to about ourselves now. And just 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:41.360 that won't get you there. It won't, I won't, And 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:44.120 I think everyone really knows that. You know, sometimes you 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:47.400 get caught up in loops and therapy. Now, this is 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:52.080 a separate conversation from the conversation about destigmatizing mental health. 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:56.960 That we still need to be talking about access to therapy, 0:09:57.120 --> 0:10:01.959 access to group therapy, cognitive therape, somatic therapy, all of them. 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:06.600 And once you've begun that journey, now there's a separate 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:10.280 conversation of how to elevate even higher, how to become 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:14.199 even more yourself, how to heal even deeper. I don't 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:18.880 think healing is sustainable in our lives. To create a 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:24.840 new practice, a new set of experiences without a holistic approach. 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:28.839 You have to look at the mental, physical, emotional, and 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:32.560 spiritual view of yourself and you have to come into 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:36.360 healing of all four of those components. And this is 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:39.760 in no way a criticism of wherever anyone is at. 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:43.640 This is just letting everyone know there's more available. You know, 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:47.240 the thing about therapy, depending on what type you're getting. 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:51.480 Most people, the first access point of therapy is cognitive therapy, 0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:54.560 which is talk therapy, and it's a powerful tool. But 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:58.640 after a while, once it equips you with the language 0:10:58.640 --> 0:11:01.200 that you need to express yourself, once it equips you 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:04.080 with the understanding of things that have happened to you 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:06.880 and you've had the space to express them, to get 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:11.240 wise expert counsel on them, then there's more because you 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:14.040 can always get stuck in a rumination. Now you have 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:17.000 the language, and then you find five years later you're 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:20.480 still chewing on the same things you uncovered. If anyone 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:24.120 finds themselves in that where you are still talking about 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:28.040 the same patterns in therapy all the time, you're still 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:31.480 stuck on perhaps one of the facets of your healing, 0:11:32.280 --> 0:11:35.280 or you're just repeating the pattern with new people, and 0:11:35.320 --> 0:11:37.559 so you're going in there to work the same process, 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:40.880 but with new relationships. It's time to elevate, it's time 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:44.959 to expand, it's time to push yourself more. And then 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:48.160 I would really recommend that people find a somatic approach. 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:52.200 I believe in blending psychology and spirituality. I think that 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:57.560 regardless of belief system, it's incredibly powerful for everyone to 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:02.600 have a devotional practice. So there is nothing about my 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:06.080 life that moves without God. There is not a thing. 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:12.800 Everything about my relationship with Creator informs all the other 0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:16.280 work that I do, everything and every way that I'm 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:19.640 able to heal whatever goal I'm currently working on with that. 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:26.040 So I think everyone can deeply, transformationally, mind blowingly connect 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:29.360 with the most elevated versions of themselves when they look 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:32.640 at a holistic approach, start getting curious, start seeing some 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:37.880 of the phenomenal healing modalities and ancient wisdom that we 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:41.080 have had for centuries at our fingertips. It's a little 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:44.480 bit science, it's a little bit expertise, and then it's 0:12:44.520 --> 0:12:45.520 a little bit mystery. 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:50.280 I'm still glad you talked about science and spirituality. We 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:54.640 are spirits. We have a body that houses the soul. 0:12:55.559 --> 0:12:58.080 We are a spirit and a lot of us we 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:01.440 work on the physical. We look good, we go to 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:05.160 the gym, we eat all the right things. But then 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:08.040 it's like, man, if we can get that spiritual side 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:13.720 to match the physical, and how self aware you'll become. 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:15.800 I believe you will treat people better. 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:19.840 I've even become so much more aware because of spending 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:21.760 time spiritually in the morning. 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:24.320 I call it my first fruits. Or I don't do 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:25.079 anything in. 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:29.000 The morning before I've done a devotional prayer or something, 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:31.480 and then it makes me not want to look at 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:36.080 stuff on the internet that's going to like desecrate everything 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:39.079 that I've done, you know, to get my day started. 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:43.120 We're like sponges, Debbie, you agree, like our spirits take 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:47.640 on and we feel everything, and if you don't, you're 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:48.559 just hardened. 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:51.040 And I used to be that hardened person. 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:55.079 A friend of mine, April Mason, said the other day 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:57.640 that maybe we have faith for a car, maybe we 0:13:57.679 --> 0:13:59.720 have faith for a new house, or. 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:01.920 To get that degree. Right, i'm'a get it. I'm gonna 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:02.079 get it. 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:04.200 I'm gonna get it, But we don't use that same 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:08.280 faith and say, man, I also deserve wholeness. Oo, and 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:12.439 you you always say, seek the path that demands your 0:14:12.600 --> 0:14:18.320 whole being. Oh, I'm gonna get this car, honey. Oh oh, 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:20.600 I'm gonna get me a husband or a wife. 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:23.480 And yeah, but ooh, we. 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:25.840 Need some healing so we can maintain these things that 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:27.960 we're these other things we've got faith for. 0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:32.760 Yeah, yeah, because you know ooh okay. First, I would 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:35.560 say the quote that you just spoke to it comes 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:40.720 from the great Sufi mystic Roomy Rumy's poetry was ten 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:45.400 twelve years ago my first foray into being with myself, 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:48.960 into opening to like, joy, to beauty, to deeper understanding. 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:52.760 And that quote changed the course of my life when 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:55.320 I first heard it. And the full quote is seek 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:59.840 the wisdom that will untie you're not, seek the path 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:04.800 that demands your whole being. And when I heard that, 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:08.960 it's like your whole being, So seeking a path that 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:12.920 is requiring all of you. It's requiring you to operate 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:16.840 on all cylinders as all of who you are, which 0:15:16.880 --> 0:15:20.960 is what God wants for us. And seek the path 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:24.760 that demands your whole being, like live the life with 0:15:25.040 --> 0:15:29.760 people in circumstances that require you to be in wholeness, 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:32.840 that require you to be your elevated self. You know, 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:36.160 I don't want to be the smartest person in the room. 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:38.760 I don't want to be the most healed person in 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:42.280 the room. I want to live my path, not comparatively, 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:47.240 and continue to learn and expand with the array of 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:50.880 information so many of us hold and wisdom that we hold. 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:54.920 You know, the path of wholeness. It's available to everyone, 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:57.280 but it's not for the faint of heart. I would 0:15:57.320 --> 0:16:00.880 be really remiss if I pack it the way I 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:05.280 talked about the healing of the human spirit through tips 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:08.760 and hacks and tricks and quick little you know, like 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:11.680 lists of things you can do each day. You have 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:14.840 to get in the gutter with yourself. You have to 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:19.000 be willing to surrender every thought you have about who 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:22.200 you are. You have to be willing to look into 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:25.800 the deepest crevices of the things that cause you pain 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:29.040 so you can free yourself of them and at for 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:32.760 so much of that sounds scary, but it's what we're 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:36.480 built to do. We are designed to do this. We 0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:40.400 can do this big, hard work. But so often I think, 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:45.680 and I say this with a lot of expanded reverence 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:50.880 for what the Church has meant to so many, For centuries. 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:54.640 But some of the issues I think some people are 0:16:54.680 --> 0:16:58.160 starting to notice, especially people that have perhaps spent their 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:01.280 entire lives going to church and know the Word and 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:05.840 have felt God. The church hasn't always equipped people with 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:10.560 the tools to know God for themselves. Very often, the church, 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:13.160 depending on who you're with, and I want to say, 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:16.639 this is not a monolith. So some people have true 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:22.400 anointed leadership that is not trying to hoard God as 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:27.240 the middleman, and some really don't. And you know, very 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:30.040 often you go to church and you'll hear these powerful 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:35.639 sermons and these incredible stories from the Bible, and the 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:37.959 way they're talking to you about it on stage is 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:41.760 to just channel that towards a car, or towards the promotion, 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:46.600 or towards something that is surfaced that God could give 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:49.800 a damn about, you know, like God doesn't care about car, 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:53.119 Like these are things we invented. God knows how to 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:56.439 speak to you through your growth, through the ways that 0:17:56.480 --> 0:18:00.320 you're able to expand your heart into love. Through that process, 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:04.000 you're able to attract higher outcomes, which can allow for 0:18:04.080 --> 0:18:06.439 you to have the more comfortable vehicle, which can allow 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:09.640 for you to have, you know, the job that is 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:14.040 really speaking to your soul's purpose. But we have to 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:16.840 stop asking for the small things, and we have to 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:21.520 ask to get unstuck from everything that's blocking us from 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:24.119 getting what we want. So if I need a new car, 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:27.320 I'm not going to necessarily just pray about the car. 0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:30.520 I will pray that God gives me a solution, But 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:33.520 I'm also going to pray God, what is my work? 0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:36.919 What am I avoiding in myself? What are the decisions 0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:42.040 I need to make to position myself to have the 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:46.080 receptivity to bring that car in, to bring the better 0:18:46.119 --> 0:18:49.199 life in. But it's everything else, you know, It's your 0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:53.600 relationship with yourself, it's your understanding of your childhood. The 0:18:53.640 --> 0:18:56.320 thing that is so interesting to me is sometimes, you know, 0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:58.960 I'll speak to people that are so beautifully equipped with 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:02.879 the word they've met, but their ability to live it 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:06.679 is so limited. And very often, you know, everyone wants 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:10.960 to speak to the power of Christ, of Jesus, but 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:16.000 are not actually in practice to walk the path Christ 0:19:16.160 --> 0:19:21.520 existed to show us how to live to be christ like. 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:24.639 And to be christ Like doesn't mean to be this 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:28.360 saint up on a shelf. It means to make honorable choices. 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:30.800 It means to love yourself. It means to be in 0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:37.399 relationship with God every single day. 0:19:38.320 --> 0:19:42.960 To be in relationship with God every single day will 0:19:43.000 --> 0:19:48.560 look different for it everybody. And I am finding that. 0:19:49.040 --> 0:19:50.640 You know, I'm one of the ones that you're talking about. 0:19:50.640 --> 0:19:52.840 I grew up in church every single day. It was 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:56.479 my foundation. But it wasn't until I started traveling on 0:19:56.520 --> 0:20:00.760 the road professionally that I had to cultivate relationship with 0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:03.399 God for myself because I didn't have a church to 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:07.080 go to every Sunday on the road, right, Sometimes we 0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:09.960 had shows on Sunday. Sometimes Sunday was a travel day 0:20:10.000 --> 0:20:11.240 to prepare us for Monday. 0:20:11.359 --> 0:20:11.600 Right. 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:19.400 So I think my growth, my strength came from will 0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:22.760 church be in my foundation? But church is different, the 0:20:22.880 --> 0:20:26.720 church being where we went to fellowship, where I believe 0:20:26.840 --> 0:20:32.000 is community what we need even from slavery, we found 0:20:32.000 --> 0:20:35.679 a community to go to to praise, sing songs of worship. 0:20:36.160 --> 0:20:36.440 Right. 0:20:37.040 --> 0:20:39.320 But then what happens when you go outside those four 0:20:39.359 --> 0:20:42.879 walls of church is Monday, right, And so learning that 0:20:42.920 --> 0:20:45.840 I couldn't depend on just the pastor sermon on Sunday, 0:20:45.880 --> 0:20:49.480 I needed to apply that Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:51.959 Saturday in time for Sunday and if maybe you go 0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:53.960 to We went to Bible study during the week. We 0:20:54.000 --> 0:20:57.040 also went to choirhearsa during the week. So I was 0:20:57.320 --> 0:21:00.159 there in the physical four walls of the church all 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:04.399 the time. But like I said, the real relationship with God, 0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:08.640 because those were just doings, right, but the real relationship 0:21:08.640 --> 0:21:11.520 with God to where I learned him who I am. 0:21:12.640 --> 0:21:17.840 It happened for me outside of the actual sanctuary. My 0:21:17.960 --> 0:21:21.119 home had to become my sanctuary. My bedroom had to 0:21:21.160 --> 0:21:24.160 become a sanctuary, my hotel room had to become a sanctuary. 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:27.720 Tour bus had to become a freaking sanctuary. Lord, I 0:21:27.720 --> 0:21:32.480 didn't mean to say freaking sanctuary. I'm sorry, uh, But 0:21:33.240 --> 0:21:39.600 and on that path things happen. Relationships break apart, Certain 0:21:39.640 --> 0:21:42.239 things that you wanted in your life and career you 0:21:42.280 --> 0:21:45.640 didn't get and so a piece of you gets broken, broken, 0:21:45.800 --> 0:21:49.840 broken every single day, and you're not whole. Can a 0:21:49.920 --> 0:21:57.479 person be completely whole? Or is it just wholeness and healing? 0:21:57.520 --> 0:21:59.800 Are just gonna be journeys? And will we be completely 0:22:00.400 --> 0:22:01.320 and or healed? 0:22:02.320 --> 0:22:06.560 I think yes, I believe yes. To be fully hold 0:22:06.600 --> 0:22:10.719 and healed. It does not mean that the circumstances of 0:22:10.800 --> 0:22:14.560 life are necessarily going to be that much easier. Earth 0:22:14.760 --> 0:22:18.240 is a challenging place. We just hit eight billion in 0:22:18.280 --> 0:22:23.280 our population, and the majority of that eight billion are unconscious. 0:22:23.560 --> 0:22:26.240 It's a lot of people that are not going to 0:22:26.320 --> 0:22:29.439 do their work while they're alive. And so you're going 0:22:29.520 --> 0:22:32.000 to do all this work of healing of wholeness and 0:22:32.040 --> 0:22:34.800 you're still going to be living here. It just is. 0:22:35.040 --> 0:22:37.720 And I think that's where acceptance comes in, and I 0:22:37.760 --> 0:22:41.320 think we can I think there are deep levels of 0:22:41.440 --> 0:22:45.960 enlightenment that a very rare few meat in their lifetimes, 0:22:46.080 --> 0:22:48.960 right Like, there's some you think of the Dalai Lama, 0:22:49.480 --> 0:22:52.600 I think it's pretty safe to say he was always 0:22:52.600 --> 0:22:56.399 intended to be this enlightened being that shares consciousness in 0:22:56.440 --> 0:22:58.840 the way that he does. I can't imagine the Dhali 0:22:58.920 --> 0:23:01.679 Lama with a teenage life like mine, you know, Like, 0:23:02.000 --> 0:23:05.600 there are some beings that I think hold space for 0:23:05.680 --> 0:23:08.679 the rest of the world to uplift to. But then 0:23:08.720 --> 0:23:10.480 I also think, you know, people ask me all the 0:23:10.520 --> 0:23:13.439 time like do you have bad days? Right Like do 0:23:13.520 --> 0:23:16.359 you get really angry? And I'm like, well, I'm a 0:23:16.440 --> 0:23:19.800 human being, like I'm meant to feel all the full 0:23:19.840 --> 0:23:25.199 spectrum of emotion. I don't have less crazy shit that 0:23:25.280 --> 0:23:28.720 happens to me. I'll say that I don't have, probably 0:23:28.840 --> 0:23:31.840 less than most, but the way I relate to it 0:23:31.880 --> 0:23:35.119 is completely different. You know, if something doesn't happen in 0:23:35.160 --> 0:23:38.240 the way that I visualized it, I think my wholeness 0:23:38.280 --> 0:23:41.639 really displays itself as the deep faith that well, then 0:23:41.680 --> 0:23:44.840 that was the right choice. You know. If that wasn't mine, 0:23:45.040 --> 0:23:47.760 then it's not mine. If this didn't happen the way 0:23:47.760 --> 0:23:49.919 I wanted it to, even if I really thought so, 0:23:50.560 --> 0:23:53.040 then that is not the path. And so whenever I 0:23:53.119 --> 0:23:57.080 pray for something, I say something very specific. I may 0:23:57.160 --> 0:24:00.919 ask for X, Y, and Z. As I in the prayer, 0:24:01.000 --> 0:24:06.040