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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Norri with
Speaker 2: you were going live to the United Kingdom. Graham Phillips
Speaker 2: back with us. Who was just with me several months
Speaker 2: ago as we talked about his latest work called Strange Fate,
Speaker 2: An Extraordinary true Story of paranormal Discovery. Well, he's got
Speaker 2: a new one out called The Mystery of Doggerland Atlantis
Speaker 2: in the North Sea. He's one of Britain's best selling
Speaker 2: nonfiction authors for forty plus years, has published at least
Speaker 2: eighteen books worldwide. These include investigations into the death of
Speaker 2: Alexander the Great, The Secret Life of William Shakespeare, The
Speaker 2: Mystery of King Arthur. His books also cover his search
Speaker 2: for historical relics such as the Holy Grail, the Ark
Speaker 2: of the Covenant, the Staff of Moses. Graham has been
Speaker 2: described as a historical detective, a modern day adventurer, and
Speaker 2: a real life Indiana Jones. Graham. Always love having you
Speaker 2: on the program.
Speaker 3: Welcome back, Oh thanks George, great to be back on again.
Speaker 2: You think the Ark of the Covenants and Ethiopia and
Speaker 2: that church like everybody says, well, the.
Speaker 3: Real weird thing about the Ark of the Covenant, there
Speaker 3: seems to have been two of them. There's one that's
Speaker 3: mentioned being made at Mount Sinai when Moses goes up
Speaker 3: the mountain and gets the Ten Commandments. That's eventually put
Speaker 3: into the Jerusalem Temple, which is particular which is specifically
Speaker 3: built to contain it. That's around about one thousand BC.
Speaker 3: And then when Solomon, who has the temple built, dies,
Speaker 3: his two sons end of argain with each other. Are
Speaker 3: the kingdom breaks in two, and supposedly, according to the
Speaker 3: Ethiopian tradition, one of the sons of Solomon had a
Speaker 3: replica arc made put into the temple in order to
Speaker 3: fool the temple guardians that it was still there, and
Speaker 3: took the original one to Ethiopia. So the things to
Speaker 3: be two arcs. One seems to have ended up in Ethiopia.
Speaker 3: One then ends up in the area around Petra, which
Speaker 3: is in Jordan in the Sinaid wilderness, and both of
Speaker 3: them are vanished.
Speaker 2: So truly amazing. Now, your new book is called The
Speaker 2: Mystery of Doggerland. First of all, what is Doggerland.
Speaker 3: Well, it's the name of an area of dry land
Speaker 3: that once connected what's now the British Isles to continental Europe, France, Germany,
Speaker 3: and Scandinavia. You probably know that during the Ice Age,
Speaker 3: when sea levels were lower, there was a land bridge
Speaker 3: between America and what's now Russia. And this is where
Speaker 3: many people kind of crossed over that landbridge and began
Speaker 3: to colonize America. I mean it is, you know, many
Speaker 3: thousands of years ago. Well nothing quite so spectacular, but
Speaker 3: a smaller version of that joined the British Isles continental
Speaker 3: Europe and it remained above sea level. Of the temperature
Speaker 3: gradually warmed after the end of the Ice Age, and
Speaker 3: there were still people living there who most archaeologists assume
Speaker 3: were just hunter gatherers right the way through from around
Speaker 3: about ten thousand BC. They were still there then, and
Speaker 3: then by about seven thousand BC the water levels had
Speaker 3: risen and the people who had lived there either drowned
Speaker 3: or managed to migrate somewhere else. But what's fascinating is
Speaker 3: is it's just been realized that because of the pressure
Speaker 3: of the ice that used to be over all of
Speaker 3: Britain except for the very south, particularly over the north,
Speaker 3: that the land was pushed down and then as the
Speaker 3: ice melted, it gradually over thousands of years began to
Speaker 3: rise again, which meant that until around as recently as
Speaker 3: five thousand years ago, part of this area of land
Speaker 3: that joined Britain to the continent called Doggerland, a small
Speaker 3: island perhaps about the size of the state of what
Speaker 3: it's not quite large actually, probably about the size of
Speaker 3: the state of Rhode. Island still existed off the northeast
Speaker 3: coast of Scotland. That's what Doggerland is now the.
Speaker 2: North Sea for a lot of people, I'll talk about
Speaker 2: the boundaries lies between Great Britain, Denmark, Norway, Germany, the Netherlands,
Speaker 2: Belgium and France. It's six hundred miles long, it's three
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty miles wide. It's pretty good size, isn't.
Speaker 3: It, Graham, Yes, it is, but very difficult to know
Speaker 3: what people were actually doing there ten thousand years ago
Speaker 3: because that is quite now, quite deep down below the
Speaker 3: surf of the sea. But the area that didn't sink
Speaker 3: until about five thousand BC. Now that archaeologists have suddenly
Speaker 3: been able to map the floor of the sea with
Speaker 3: radar and sonar and other sophisticated instruments to find astonishingly
Speaker 3: that there are stone circles down there similar to Stonehenge,
Speaker 3: but at the bottom of the sea, and very much
Speaker 3: older than Stonehenge. And it's beginning to look as though
Speaker 3: the people who eventually built Stonehenge around three thousand BC
Speaker 3: originally they may have come from this island.
Speaker 2: That sank interesting. How advanced might that civilization of Ben Graham.
Speaker 3: Well, there's one tiny part of that civilization that brought
Speaker 3: the island that still survives above sea level, and that's
Speaker 3: a tiny little island called fair Isle in the North Sea.
Speaker 3: And what's been discovered there by archaeologists is quite incredible. Firstly,
Speaker 3: they everybody thinks that the people in Finland invented the
Speaker 3: sauna around about a thousand BC. They found what must
Speaker 3: have been functioning saunas, you know, sauna bar that are
Speaker 3: seven thousand years old on this island. That's pretty amazing
Speaker 3: to start off with. Secondly, they were able to build
Speaker 3: sea wall defenses where they put lots and lots of
Speaker 3: rocks and a great big pile in a great, big
Speaker 3: long embankment. And then somehow nobody quite knows how they
Speaker 3: managed to get heat going on those stones. Maybe by
Speaker 3: burning something around them when nobody knows quite what to
Speaker 3: vitrify the stones and make them into a solid wall
Speaker 3: melt stone, and really you need incredibly high temperatures to
Speaker 3: do that. These people were able to do that, and
Speaker 3: the evidence is there.
Speaker 2: Amazing, truly amazing. Why do you think the island of
Speaker 2: the continent of Atlantis Dogerland disappeared?
Speaker 3: What happened, Well, it's basically what I explain in the
Speaker 3: book is that the publishers decided to call it Atlantics
Speaker 3: and the north see not specifically because that was what
Speaker 3: Plato in Greek times referred to as Atlantis, because it
Speaker 3: is one of many places throughout the world that sank
Speaker 3: beneath the waves at the end of the Ice Age. Now,
Speaker 3: most people used to think that civilization began about five
Speaker 3: thousand years ago with in the Middle East with the
Speaker 3: Solerians and the ancient Egyptians and so on, and before
Speaker 3: that people were just living in tiny villages. There was
Speaker 3: nothing like civilization. But it is now known throughout the
Speaker 3: world for the up many years of archaeology that there
Speaker 3: were proto civilizations that had cities that people with as
Speaker 3: many as a thousand people living in them that were
Speaker 3: built of mud, bricks or even stone. I mean this
Speaker 3: had been the discovery of places like Beckley Tepi in Turkey,
Speaker 3: which is like twelve thousand years old, it seems now.
Speaker 3: And it seems that a lot of the places that
Speaker 3: began as proto civilizations, perhaps run shortly after the end
Speaker 3: of the Ice Age, say twelve thousand years ago, were
Speaker 3: all along the coast and the rising sea levels. They
Speaker 3: were sunk beneath the waves. So I looked throughout the
Speaker 3: world and found there was many different places where there
Speaker 3: were traditions of and archaeological discoveries of ancient civilizations, similar
Speaker 3: to Plato's descriptions of Atlantis.
Speaker 2: So there may have been many many Atlantas all over
Speaker 2: the world.
Speaker 3: Yeah, South America, North America, Europe, China, India, you name it.
Speaker 3: They've all got their legends of the same kind of thing.
Speaker 2: What happened to the inhabitants of most of these places?
Speaker 2: Were they able to get away?
Speaker 3: Well? In some places the sea levels rose gradually over
Speaker 3: a period many undred years, they migrated, like hopefully, if
Speaker 3: I'm right, the people who built Stonehenge had come from Dowland.
Speaker 3: They had time to migrate, but in other places when
Speaker 3: entire eye shelves collapsed into the sea and broke off
Speaker 3: huge parts of certain areas, like parts of Norway and
Speaker 3: parts of Newfoundland. This sent huge great tsunamis across whole
Speaker 3: oceans and the drowned people overnight. This is certainly what
Speaker 3: atlantis that displayto describes, which is at the mouth of
Speaker 3: the Mediterranean. That seems to be what happened there.
Speaker 2: Tell us about some of the discoveries made by divers
Speaker 2: on the seasbed off the north coast of Britain.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, this is fascinating because a lot of this
Speaker 3: is still under wraps. You know, they're not publishing a
Speaker 3: lot of what they've found at the moment because they
Speaker 3: don't want people diving out there and treasure hunting and
Speaker 3: wrecking the archaeology. But on mainland Orkney Aisles, which is
Speaker 3: at the top north of Scotland, there's a big stone
Speaker 3: circle about a good few hundred feet across. It's made
Speaker 3: of It was originally made of about one hundred stones.
Speaker 3: Around it is a ditch and embankment and many other
Speaker 3: monuments around it, which has been dated as around about
Speaker 3: four and a half to five thousand years old. Well,
Speaker 3: they've found an identical one of these on the bottom
Speaker 3: of the sea about two or three miles out from
Speaker 3: the coast, and that has been dated basically by the
Speaker 3: map that the sea level has risen since that time,
Speaker 3: as being least two thousand years older than what was
Speaker 3: thought to be the oldest stone circle in the British
Speaker 3: Isles on the Orkney Aisles.
Speaker 2: That is truly remarkable. But why do they keep it
Speaker 2: under wraps?
Speaker 3: Well, I don't want people to make that. It got
Speaker 3: a lot of publicity when they first discovered this a
Speaker 3: few years back, and they had people died going out there,
Speaker 3: diving down thinking they were going to find treasures. But
Speaker 3: the kind of the people that built these stone circles,
Speaker 3: and we were, you know, at the time of Stonehenge
Speaker 3: and maybe before that, weren't sort of making goal items
Speaker 3: or silly. They weren't creating things that would be treasured
Speaker 3: that you could sell to anyone. But this didn't stop
Speaker 3: people thinking there might be all sorts of things down there.
Speaker 3: So it's to stop people from destroying the well what
Speaker 3: they found before they can fully analyze it.
Speaker 2: How did you uncover the story ground?
Speaker 3: Well, I was actually at the time I was. I
Speaker 3: had a friend who was working on the original the
Speaker 3: boats that were going out originally when when they were
Speaker 3: scanning the seabed, they weren't looking for digual scientists, not archaeologists.
Speaker 3: They weren't looking for some ancient civilization. They were simply
Speaker 3: looking for buried obstacles in case there might be problems
Speaker 3: with laying pipelines and various things out to gas and
Speaker 3: oil rigs in the North Sea. It was a completely
Speaker 3: it wasn't archaeological at all. But then they found this
Speaker 3: at least three separate stone circles, the one of the
Speaker 3: ones I mentioned, And I knew somebody who was actually
Speaker 3: working with those scientists who said, this could be interesting
Speaker 3: to you. So that's how I got to know about it.
Speaker 2: Now, what about the possibilities that the Great Flood of
Speaker 2: Noah might have been the catalyst for the sinking of
Speaker 2: these continents or islands.
Speaker 3: Well, it's certainly another one of these perhaps sunken early civilizations.
Speaker 3: What is now known is that sometime around I mean
Speaker 3: the dating is difficult, but it could be about eight
Speaker 3: thousand years ago what is now or a little bit
Speaker 3: earlier what is now the Black Sea was in fact
Speaker 3: low lying area, and there was this barrier of land
Speaker 3: separating the Mediterranean, the eastern end of the Mediterranean from
Speaker 3: the Black Sea. And then literally as the gradual ice
Speaker 3: smelting after the ice age and the Mediterranean kind of
Speaker 3: light became, the water levels grew higher. Eventually it broke
Speaker 3: through this barrier that divided this low land to the
Speaker 3: wet to the east, and suddenly there was a waterfall.
Speaker 3: And archaeologists and scientists have described this waterfall as being
Speaker 3: something like one hundred times the size of the Niagara Falls,
Speaker 3: pouring over this range embankment and filling the Black Sea
Speaker 3: and flooding anyone who lived there. That could be the
Speaker 3: Noah's flood.
Speaker 2: And grammar, you convinced that the Atlantis that Plato talked
Speaker 2: about is different from the daggerland that we're talking about
Speaker 2: tonight in your new work.
Speaker 3: Yes, the Atlantis that Plato refers to, he says quite
Speaker 3: specifically is at the mouth or at what they called
Speaker 3: the Pillars of Hercules, which is the Strait of Gibraltar,
Speaker 3: which joins the Atlantics to the Mediterranean. And have actually
Speaker 3: been doing research into a place that completely matches what
Speaker 3: he described as being there and would have been sunk
Speaker 3: by an almighty tidal wave.
Speaker 2: Nia. Four years ago, you wrote a book called Wisdom
Speaker 2: Keepers of stone Henge. Is it possible that the creators
Speaker 2: of Stonehenge might have been these people who were on
Speaker 2: these islands that disappeared.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, certainly the one of Dogga Land, that's the
Speaker 3: one I've done the most research into. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 3: it's a lot of work to look into Chinese myths
Speaker 3: and legends about whole cities being flooded, and then looking
Speaker 3: into the same in India, and that the mains described
Speaker 3: the same kind of thing. And again it makes perfect sense.
Speaker 3: Early civilizations started as the Ice Age finished throughout the world,
Speaker 3: but they didn't get going before they started to get
Speaker 3: flooded by rising sea levels. And the certainly the one
Speaker 3: I contemplated on most was Doggerland. And the archaeology absolutely,
Speaker 3: as far as I'm concerned, proves that the people who
Speaker 3: built the stone circles and the large megalithic monuments in Britain,
Speaker 3: which includes Stonehenge, and there was a lot of other
Speaker 3: monuments similar to that, they definitely came from Doggerland, from
Speaker 3: this island that existed off the coast of Britmont and
Speaker 3: about five thousand BC, because the stone circles that they
Speaker 3: built were exactly the same as those that have been
Speaker 3: found under the water.
Speaker 2: Could these events that happened so many years ago happen
Speaker 2: again today.
Speaker 3: Well, it's very controversial. I mean when I say in
Speaker 3: my book about you know, global warming, we're all experiencing
Speaker 3: it now. I mean, it's very controversial subjects about whether
Speaker 3: or off there is such a thing as global warming.
Speaker 3: Some people swear it's real, some people swear it isn't.
Speaker 3: But what I do know for certain, and all scientists
Speaker 3: from anybody who investigated history does know that there was
Speaker 3: an Ice Age and that I sage finished because somehow
Speaker 3: the Earth heated up. Precisely why it heated up is
Speaker 3: a complete mystery. Some people think it's because the Earth
Speaker 3: slightly changed its orbit around the Sun. Others believe it
Speaker 3: had something to do with an increased volcanic activity. There
Speaker 3: are many explanations about why the Ice Age may have occurred,
Speaker 3: but it did occur. It occurred and basically kept most
Speaker 3: of humanity in the tropical areas of the world. And
Speaker 3: after it finished, lots of people migrated north and started
Speaker 3: and south and migrated away from the from the tropics
Speaker 3: and began to start the first civilization. Forsations hadn't really
Speaker 3: got going before there was further warming again. Nobody knows
Speaker 3: quite why. Remaining nice is a lot further melted and
Speaker 3: these civilizations ceased. If you believe in global warming, yes,
Speaker 3: it probably could happen again. If you don't, who knows.
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