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Speaker 1: Welcome to Naked Sports, the podcast where we live at

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Speaker 1: the intersection of sports, politics, and culture. Our purpose reveal

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Speaker 1: the common threads that bind them all. So what's happening

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Speaker 1: in women's basketball right now, now is what we've been

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Speaker 1: trying to get to for almost thirty years. From the

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Speaker 1: stadiums where athlete break barriers and set records. Kynon Clark

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Speaker 1: the vital connections between these realms and the community we create.

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Speaker 1: In each episode, we'll sit down with athletes, political analysts,

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Speaker 1: how we see one issue shines a light on all others.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Naked Sports. I'm your host, Carrie Champion.

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Speaker 3: Hi everyone.

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Speaker 4: I'm Sally Christisen, the founder and CEO of Argent. We

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Speaker 4: removing barriers for women, and I'm a sports enthusiast NBA specifically,

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Speaker 1: Okay, So Sally is being very modest. She's a sports

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Speaker 1: to tell everyone a story about how I met Sally.

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Speaker 1: It was maybe five days before the world shut down

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Speaker 1: during the pandemic. We met at the Tory Birch Conference

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Speaker 1: maybe three weeks before, and you walked over to me

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Speaker 4: It's funny that you say that you wouldn't just sit

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Speaker 4: I just remember going to work with him and then

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Speaker 4: There was so much magic in the boredom for us. Yes,

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Speaker 3: So and I'm on a farm. I don't even have people.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, grown it. I loved it. I love you for that.

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Speaker 4: I started playing sports in Hardyville, downtown Hardyville when I

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Speaker 1: This explains your tough EXU. You're you're explaining so much

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Speaker 1: They just are like whatever, we're all playing. Okay, So

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Speaker 4: I'm a great shooter, not your point guard because I'm

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Speaker 1: Because you're pretty tall, I'll tall.

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Speaker 4: also unsurprising because it takes resilience and grit in a

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Speaker 4: way that I've never endured. Like it is just so intense.

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Speaker 4: You're facing rejection at every turn. You're being told that

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Speaker 4: You don't even have access to capital, and like capital

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Speaker 3: So in terms of now, I forgot what the question was.

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Speaker 1: I'm just like, you have created Oh yeah, really special.

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Speaker 1: not even just who's who? I look. Hillary Clinton, former

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Speaker 1: First Lady Hillary Clinton, she you know, started to wear

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Speaker 1: yours when she was with the Barack Obama administration. She

439
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Speaker 1: was like, was she your first big Like, I'm wearing Argent.

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Speaker 4: She didn't start wearing Argent until twenty seventeen. January twenty

441
00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,400
Speaker 4: seventeen is when we met. Yeah, I'll start by saying,

442
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,679
Speaker 4: the women that we dress are the reason that I

443
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Speaker 4: do this. The mission of Argent is the reason Argent exists.

444
00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,679
Speaker 4: So the origin stories that I read a study that

445
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,360
Speaker 4: showed that women are judge based on appearance, and that

446
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,399
Speaker 4: study quantified the impact of what you wear on your

447
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Speaker 4: bottom line of your lifetime.

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Speaker 3: It's really significant.

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00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,440
Speaker 4: And I had experienced shopping for work as a pain

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Speaker 4: point myself throughout my career.

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Speaker 3: It's insane.

452
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,879
Speaker 4: How is that still you know, an overlooked category and

453
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,399
Speaker 4: it's a massive business opportunity, but the driver, the driving

454
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 4: force for me to actually quit and start building. Argent

455
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,159
Speaker 4: was born from the experience of being a woman in

456
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Speaker 4: corporate America and all the conversation happening around women, but

457
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 4: none of it really moving the needle. And I think

458
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Speaker 4: I saw an opportunity with the brand to really give

459
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Speaker 4: women tools to navigate their career and connect them because

460
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Speaker 4: there's so much power and connection and men do it

461
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Speaker 4: all the time.

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Speaker 1: All the time. They do it on the golf course,

463
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Speaker 1: they do it everywhere, and we don't do it. And

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Speaker 1: you know what you do. I don't even mean to

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Speaker 1: cut you off. You know what you do. You have

466
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Speaker 1: no room for caddiness. You love it all. You love

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Speaker 1: everything that a woman is. If someone says she's a

468
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Speaker 1: bit your life, I love it. Someone says that she's

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Speaker 1: a boy like, I love it.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,360
Speaker 1: If someone says, oh, she's too much, I love it.

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00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:12,639
Speaker 1: You know, every every tall, skinny, short, not whatever, whatever shape, size, color,

473
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 1: you love it. You embrace it, you encourage it, you

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Speaker 1: dress them. And I'm just like, this is wonderful. You

475
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 1: don't get to see it. And as I said, Hillary Clinton,

476
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 1: Megan Markle wore your jacket the other day. I can

477
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Speaker 1: go down the list. Every one night I was on

478
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Speaker 1: CNN and just about everybody on the panel had on Argent.

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00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Like, it's everywhere. When you

480
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Speaker 1: see what you've been able to build and the women

481
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Speaker 1: who have embraced this, this community that you have built,

482
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Speaker 1: how does that make you feel? Oh?

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Speaker 4: A million dollar question. It's so hard because and this

484
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Speaker 4: is how you want me to be. I'm always looking

485
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Speaker 4: at what's next.

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Speaker 1: Oh.

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Speaker 4: There are very few times where I've been able to

488
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Speaker 4: sort of sit in an emotion and acknowledge and appreciate

489
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Speaker 4: what I've been able to accomplish. One of those moments

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Speaker 4: was when Doris core Argent as the first woman to

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Speaker 4: ever Yeah I remember to ever cover. It was a

492
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Speaker 4: men's finals, I think in general, but it was the Celtics.

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Speaker 4: Who are they playing?

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Speaker 1: It was the woman, a first woman to do. She

495
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Speaker 1: was doing play by.

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Speaker 3: Play, she was doing she was covering the gate what

497
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Speaker 3: do you call it? Commentator? Yeah, yeah she was.

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Speaker 4: And she was the first to do a finals game

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Speaker 4: and it was the Celtics.

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Speaker 3: Was it Nuggets? Who do they play?

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Speaker 1: I don't just passed the spa. Celtics played in the front.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't the Nuggets. Who did they play Dallas Mavericks.

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Speaker 4: It was it was Dallas. I have no recollection. They

504
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Speaker 4: just like they handled them. So it was like five.

505
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Speaker 1: Games or something. Yeah it was Dallas. Yeah, good for them.

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Speaker 1: Well that was a moment for you with.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Yes, I remember sitting on the subway and just

508
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Speaker 4: like kind of sobbing, you know, like it just made

509
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Speaker 4: me really emotional.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that moment made.

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Speaker 3: That moment broke through for me. I don't real not.

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Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton, not you know, the Duchess, not not whomever

513
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: else I've seen it, Like name the list, insert humanitarian here.

514
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Speaker 1: That didn't do it for you?

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Speaker 3: Huh? I, well, of course it does.

516
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Speaker 4: I mean dressing the women that we dress, and a

517
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 4: lot of the women that we dress aren't household names,

518
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,159
Speaker 4: but the work that they're doing just like gets me

519
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 4: so excited. So I think I'm just obsessed with work

520
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 4: as we've established and women that are doing the job

521
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 4: and oftentimes in a really thankless way. Yeah, And so

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00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 4: I think my motivation is like, how do we equip

523
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Speaker 4: this woman, how do we give her confidence? How do

524
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Speaker 4: we become part of that journey in a way that

525
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Speaker 4: enhances and is additive. How do we bring these women together?

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Speaker 4: I think Doris broke through for me because it was

527
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Speaker 4: this point in history and it was being acknowledged and celebrated.

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Speaker 1: And it was and it was intentional, and.

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Speaker 4: It was an intentional choice for her to wear Archin

530
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Speaker 4: as well. Yeah, and so that means so much to me.

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Speaker 4: And you have to understand that, like what you see

532
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 4: is is not what it's like behind the scenes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, of course. And you don't try to make

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Speaker 1: it feel exclusive. You're very I mean, I can tell

535
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: you a story. You don't even know about this what

536
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 1: you do. But we were on a group chat and

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Speaker 1: one of my friends said, you know, there was this

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Speaker 1: and I don't want to get into the particulars, but

539
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,679
Speaker 1: there was this woman who was going through a severe

540
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Speaker 1: court case and she needed help and they wanted to

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Speaker 1: reach they wanted to dress her, and they were just like,

542
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Speaker 1: who can give her a nice suit? I really want

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Speaker 1: to kind of put her in a position to win.

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Speaker 1: And immediately the first thing that we said was, you know,

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00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: you should ask Argent check in with Sally and without hesitation,

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00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: without hesitation, absolutely, how can we help without hesitation? And

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that you walk on water and you're perfect.

548
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: But when I say, you are accepting of all and

549
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 1: you understand the struggle and there is no judgment about

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Speaker 1: who is this person. Oh, I'm in a gatekeep. You

551
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 1: can't wear Argent. I don't know who you are, even

552
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: though you have you could be well within your right

553
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Speaker 1: to do that because of the list of women who

554
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 1: are in your community, but you refuse because you're open

555
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: to everyone. There's something that is also to me. That's

556
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 1: a very activated, activist, philanthropic spirit that you have, and

557
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 1: it is a reminder of why not only I call

558
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: you an ally a friend, but just a really good soul,

559
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: like a really good soul, and it comes across that's

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00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 1: why you have success.

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00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a I like I want Argent to succeed

563
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 4: because we are building, like we're increasing our ability to

564
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 4: platform women doing remarkable things and our ability to support

565
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 4: women that deserve to be supported.

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Speaker 3: I think you were talking about this earlier, but.

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Speaker 4: It's a result of the patriarchy that women have been

568
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 4: pitted against each other since the beginning of time. And

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying there aren't problematic women, of course there are,

570
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 4: but all women just deserve an equal chance, period and

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00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 4: anyone who is harming the cause is probably some when

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00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 4: I would say no too, So that's an exception. But

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Speaker 4: I'm really I just don't have time for them, and

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00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 4: I don't think that it's worth any of us paying

575
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 4: attention to those women. I think the focus has to

576
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 4: be on how do we give everyone equal opportunity and

577
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 4: you know that men have, and how do we focus

578
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 4: on some of these societal constructs that really disadvantage women

579
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 4: versus staying you know, staying small.

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Speaker 1: That was a classy read. I just don't have time

581
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,719
Speaker 1: for them, and I would probably just tell them no.

582
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: But I'm just about raising awareness for women who are

583
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Speaker 1: making it. That's called a classy read. I don't have

584
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: time for y'all. If y'all simple, no, no, no, no, no,

585
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: the doors are closed. But if you want to change

586
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: the world, come on, let's do it in whatever way

587
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: we can, small, big, large, however we're doing it. I

588
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: think that when I think of you, this is one

589
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: of the words i'd use to describe you. Competitive.

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00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, what a compliment.

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00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: It's a huge compliment. And I know, obviously now it's

592
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Speaker 1: your sports bund If you had to compare your personality

593
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: to anyone who played basketball, who would it be?

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00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 4: Ooh ooh what a question? Uh? I mean so this

595
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 4: is too based of an answer. Steph Currey comes to

596
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 4: mind immediately. It's like that confidence, you.

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00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: Know, really why tell me more stuff? Seems very affable

598
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: and likable, but when he's a killer, he's a killer.

599
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 4: That it's that And I think, like I've had this

600
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 4: conversation a lot with folks where it's like confidence can

601
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,959
Speaker 4: be read as arrogance, you know, And I'm like, no,

602
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:43,719
Speaker 4: but confidence is necessary that level of sport, and in

603
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 4: business you have to bring that in its delusion at

604
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 4: times for me, where you know, these things that we

605
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,959
Speaker 4: set out to do, we don't always maybe get one

606
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 4: hundred percent of what I like strive to get, but

607
00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 4: we accomplish really remarkable thing because I'm like, I've dreamed

608
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 4: up these scenarios and then maybe we get option B,

609
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 4: but it's still incredible.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how to articulate.

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00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: Yes, No, You're like I I dream big. There is

612
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,719
Speaker 1: no limit, and if we fall within that range of

613
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: what I want, it's even bigger than I've even really

614
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: truly imagined. Yeah, And do you does that describe stuff

615
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: for you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know this is I mean, I'm going

617
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 3: to be thinking about this all night. Stuff.

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Speaker 4: That's too basic of an answer, I feel like, But

619
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Speaker 4: I feel like he does. He's he's a kind human.

620
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 4: I feel like what I read like, I mean read

621
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Speaker 4: in terms of what I see. Sure, And I think

622
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Speaker 4: that he will take the back seat as needed for

623
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Speaker 4: his team to maybe like a Brunson does this.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't need all the accolades he is. Yeah. Yeah,

625
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 3: and he'll.

626
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Speaker 4: Do He'll take a pay cut for example, you know,

627
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 4: to ensure that they have the right team. It's about

628
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 4: it's about recognizing that it's not about individual, it's about group.

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Speaker 4: I don't I personally am not comfortable being out in

630
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 4: front of a camera that has come. I've been pushed,

631
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 4: I would say, uh, And it's kind of necessary because

632
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 4: just like people want to see the founder, they want

633
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 4: to connect with the brand. They want that authenticity that

634
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 4: comes with that, and it's good for the brand. And

635
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 4: I'll do anything for Argent. Yeah, but it's not where

636
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 4: where you live exactly. Yeah, who's I was going to ask,

637
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 4: who's yours?

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00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: I'm okay, And every aspect in every possible way that

639
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: tracks completely, the tracks completely. I wouldn't call myself a gatekeeper,

640
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: but Kobe's like, I can't trust you because every time

641
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: I give you the ball, you don't deliver. So I

642
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: can't be around you. If you're not in the gym

643
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: before I get there, then I don't know who you are.

644
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: How can I how can I bring you in? And

645
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: I've seen you haven't done what needs to be done,

646
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: and and what are your motives? Do you want to

647
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: win a championship or do you want to look good

648
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: in the process. There was this very famous, famous video

649
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: of when Kobe was on the Lakers. I think it

650
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: was probably twenty eleven. Then he's only been on the Lakers,

651
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: but he wasn't playing, he was out and he was injured,

652
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: and some of the players were jumping into they were

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Speaker 1: being interviewed afterwards, and they were jumping all around and

654
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: being silly, and they were all dancing in the mic

655
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: and you know, like, you know, being just you know,

656
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: having a good time. And they had only won like

657
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: one game over the last five games, and they Jimmy.

658
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: He was on Jimmy Kimmel. Actually, Kobe may have been

659
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: on his way to retire and now that I think

660
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: about it, But he was on jim Jimmy Kimmel and

661
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: I'll send it to you, and and Jimmy Kimmel goes,

662
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: what do you think of this? And he played the video.

663
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: Kobe just turns around and looks at him and he

664
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: doesn't answer the question. He was like, next question, please.

665
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: He was just so put out by how they're Shenanigans

666
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: and how silly they were, and the Lakers hadn't won

667
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: a championship and they were being so he was just like,

668
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: what are we doing. We're here to play. This is

669
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: not about attention and I love that. And there's a

670
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: do you there's this video of Kobe. I've posted it

671
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: recently during the anniversary of Made God Bless the Dad,

672
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,959
Speaker 1: May he rest in peace, where he's with GG and

673
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: you see Anthony Davis coming over to talk to him

674
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: and Kobe made a face. And I didn't say anything

675
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: to my because I'm not gonna that's would be inappropriate

676
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: on my part. But all the comments are like, Kobe

677
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: didn't fool with aunt a D, Kobe didn't like a D,

678
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: Kobe didn't trust him, Kobe didn't think he was a killer.

679
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,239
Speaker 1: Kobe like you can just tell are you cut from

680
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: the same cloth. He had to say he had the

681
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: issue with Shaq, he had the issue with Dwight Howard,

682
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: and sometimes Kobe could be the problem because he didn't

683
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: understand that you need to, as Rick Fox said, you

684
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: need to make us feel like you need us. You

685
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: got to bring us in. And I'm like, yeah, Carrie,

686
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: you it doesn't take. It's not just one person. So

687
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: that's why I feel him flaws and all. You know

688
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: what I mean, yeah, totally.

689
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 4: I mean the the Luca videos are also, oh oh incredible.

690
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: I love watching Luca play. I love watching Luca play.

691
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: What did you think about that trait?

692
00:33:59,600 --> 00:33:59,719
Speaker 2: Uh?

693
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 3: Oh, I think I've told you this.

694
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 4: I'm now exclusively served NBA content on Instagram, which was

695
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 4: not the case before. It used to be a healthy

696
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 4: mix of like politics and a little NBA in like

697
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 4: a little fashion maybe and current events and culture and whatever.

698
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 4: But now it's all NBA all the time. I mean,

699
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 4: that trade is.

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Speaker 1: What do you I mean? Just I thought it. I

701
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: didn't think it was real. I went to I thought

702
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: it was AI. I went to several sites I had

703
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,919
Speaker 1: to reconfirm and confirm, and then I thought, well, what's

704
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: the problem.

705
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 4: So that happened the night after. So I went to

706
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 4: the Knicks Lakers game. I remember, huh And then that

707
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 4: trade happened that night?

708
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Speaker 1: And what did you think?

709
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 4: And I thought, lucky La great for Luca. The owners

710
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 4: in Dallas just are doing it for money. That's the

711
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 4: only explanation that makes sense. They didn't want to pay

712
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,280
Speaker 4: him whatever they were on the hook to pay him. Yeah,

713
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 4: and maybe don't have a love of sport.

714
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Speaker 1: OHK, like you you're a business owner. Was that a

715
00:34:58,600 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: good business decision?

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Speaker 3: No?

717
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: Oh, at the inn of the day, don't you pay

718
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: that these twenty five years old you pay that, you

719
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Speaker 1: pay the kid.

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Speaker 4: I'll say, I don't know enough about the business of basketball,

721
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 4: but and I know that contracts have gotten exorbitant, correct, Yeah,

722
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 4: but what I mean, what a gift to the Lakers,

723
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 4: What a gift? And Luca talking about players that you

724
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 4: see yourself like, he just has like a bit of

725
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 4: an attitude that I definitely have. There's something in him

726
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 4: that's fun to watch where he's just kind of like

727
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 4: pissed off, a little bit of schip on his shoulder,

728
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 4: which I very much. I think it resonates so much

729
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 4: with him, which which is why I love watching him.

730
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 4: He also there's a woman that works with him that

731
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,280
Speaker 4: does such a great job with his brand. I forget

732
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 4: her name, I should know the Yeah, there's a woman

733
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 4: that has worked with him, I think the an entire

734
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 4: time he's been in the league, and I feel like

735
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,720
Speaker 4: they've just done a really good job with his brand.

736
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Speaker 4: He's very likable. I think that's gonna be a great

737
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 4: move for him. I mean it is a great move

738
00:35:59,200 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 4: for him.

739
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: That trade will go down as the word's really yeah, yeah,

740
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: it'll be at the thirty for thirty of why they

741
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: one traded him too. Then lied in front of the

742
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: camera Jason Kidd sitting there like I wasn't a part

743
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 1: of this, don't don't bring me into this. And then

744
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: three the intention to talk bad about him or put

745
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 1: out these stories that he's not really in shape and

746
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: his habits bothered people because he smoked hooka, whatever the case.

747
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 4: Maybe what a gift for him if you said that

748
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 4: about me, I'd be like game on, baby, you know.

749
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 1: And that's how he responded. Of course, of course, no

750
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: matter what though, what it did, and I'll ask you

751
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: this as a business owner, what it did was let

752
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: everybody know. It put everyone on notice in the league.

753
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:44,720
Speaker 1: No one is safe.

754
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 4: I think that's good. I think that's a good outcome.

755
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 4: Go back a few years when the players were calling

756
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 4: the shots. Yeah, that's not great. Like I think that

757
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 4: there are some gms that deserve so much credit for

758
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 4: just knowing their craft so well. Sam, he's the best example,

759
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 4: I think. I think he's such a good GM. Okay,

760
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 4: see time and time again, has just built these teams

761
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 4: slowly but surely. Yes, and like they're always the afterthought

762
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 4: for folks. I feel like, Okay, see as a market,

763
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 4: but it's a great market. It's great teams, and the

764
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 4: players should not have the power. It's all the power.

765
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 4: The players should have some power. They shouldn't be abused.

766
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 4: But I don't think that they should call the shots

767
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 4: because they're not looking. They don't have the same priorities

768
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 4: as the business owners and the team and you know

769
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 4: they don't have the long view allway.

770
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: I look, I look once, once the inmates run the asylum,

771
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: things go crazy. I agree with you, there needs to

772
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: be some level of there needs to be balanced to that.

773
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: You're Sam PRESTI comment. I do agree with him, but

774
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: I always wonder, and this is another deep thirty for

775
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 1: thirty how do you get rid of how do you

776
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: have a team with James Harden, Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook, Surge, Ebacha,

777
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:57,760
Speaker 1: Kendrick Perkins, And they took the Lakers to the conference finals,

778
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 1: beat my Kobe and Lakers in company. And then and

779
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: then they start to lose pieces slowly but surely. I

780
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: always wonder, how do you do that? How did you

781
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: get to that point? Oh?

782
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 4: What a great team, what a great era of basketball.

783
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,280
Speaker 1: It was a great era of basketball.

784
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:15,919
Speaker 4: I think you were dealing with some of the most

785
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 4: difficult personalities.

786
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 3: All in one team. Though.

787
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 4: I mean, if you look at the team now, Presty wins,

788
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 4: like the team is excellent. To me, it's like one

789
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 4: of the best teams in basketball. I just don't think

790
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 4: you can be shortsighted and you cannot be attached to

791
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 4: one player or one team.

792
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:32,879
Speaker 3: You have to have the long view.

793
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 4: The business is the priority as a business leader. But

794
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 4: taking care of your people and like making sure that

795
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 4: you're cultivating you know, the right community and culture and

796
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 4: connections and you're and I'm not great at this, Like

797
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 4: it's challenging to be as busy as I am, and

798
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 4: make sure that everyone within the team is taken care

799
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 4: of and that we're taking the time to all connect,

800
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 4: you know, meaningfully. But I think what you also have

801
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 4: to recognize as a player and as an individual is

802
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 4: that there is no single point of failure and that

803
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 4: everyone is replaceable, which is hard to say because we

804
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 4: have a rock star team right now, Like we've never

805
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 4: had as good of a creative director, we've never had

806
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 4: as good of a marketing team, and every individual on

807
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 4: that team, like our team is the best that it's

808
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 4: ever been.

809
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: Wow.

810
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 3: But you just you have to be pragmatic about it.

811
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 4: You can't be emotional about it, and you have to

812
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,760
Speaker 4: look at it as a business and people are going

813
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 4: to leave, and you just you kind of learn how

814
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 4: to manage that and sort of roll with the hits.

815
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: Taking a quick break, we'll be back in a moment.

816
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: Welcome back to naked Sports. I'm curious Argent has been

817
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: known to dress a guy or two. Who would you

818
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 1: like to see an Argent Russell Westbrook? Why is that wild?

819
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 4: He has great style, He's so fun, He's I think

820
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 4: he's really sweet at his core.

821
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,439
Speaker 3: I really love Nina. I think he could just pull

822
00:39:58,480 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 3: it off.

823
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Speaker 1: Isn't it interesting how time changes things. Russell for so

824
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: long was quiet and we didn't know much about him

825
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: when he was in Oka see, and then when he

826
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: started to be the main player. I think that was

827
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: a growing pain for him and for fans, right because

828
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,919
Speaker 1: there was some mixed reviews about how people felt about him.

829
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: And then he came to the Lakers and he had,

830
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: you know, so much. People were just so mad at

831
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,399
Speaker 1: him about for very many for very many reasons, none

832
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: really legitimate. And that was the very first time that

833
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: I saw him as a vulnerable being and talking about

834
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: how much it really bothered him. But I think it

835
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: bothered him because that's home. La is home. So you

836
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: finally you grow up watching this team, you finally get

837
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: to play on the team, and now you have to

838
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: deal with all of this this vitriol which is horrid

839
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 1: and play with and he plays with a chip on

840
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:53,439
Speaker 1: his shoulder. Nina to me, is I call her? I said,

841
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: do you remind me of the first lady? She was like, well,

842
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: since you said it, I said, well tell me more.

843
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 1: She goes, we are both the same zodiac side. And

844
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: I don't remember what it was, And I was like,

845
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: I feel a lot of Michelle Obama around her, a

846
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of peace, a lot of calmness,

847
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: a lot of self She's very self assured, right.

848
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 3: I think that she How do I explain this? I

849
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 3: think that she adds to my opinion or enhances my

850
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 3: opinion of him.

851
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: Yes, if you picked her, that says everything about correct.

852
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 3: And I love him. I think he's been through a

853
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 3: lot of downs, Yeah, a lot and a lot of

854
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 3: it unfair and he fair, that's very fair. Yeah.

855
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 4: And he's I think, had a really fraught relationship with

856
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 4: the media as well.

857
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 3: His choice his choice, Yeah, yeah.

858
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 4: But but I saw him once at LAX. I actually

859
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 4: missed my connecting flight because I was just so excited.

860
00:41:55,560 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 3: I love but he was taught.

861
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 4: To every single person that worked in that airport because

862
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 4: he's a hometown hero. But he'd had time for it,

863
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 4: and that really I think I already loved him because

864
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 4: he is that profile player that I love. His bouncy,

865
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 4: he's got a lot of energy. He's making, you know,

866
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 4: crazy things happen. But he was he had such kindness

867
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 4: and I think there is a kindness within him, so absolutely, Yeah,

868
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 4: and he's got style so to bring it back. He

869
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,919
Speaker 4: has such great style. So you address him, what would

870
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 4: you dress him in? Oh goodness, I mean I think

871
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 4: that we I mean we'd obviously have to do something custom,

872
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 4: but something I think, something loud.

873
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he could wear a pink power suit.

874
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 1: I do too, right, I've made like some white I

875
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 1: can see him some white sneaks and a pink power

876
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: suit doing the thing. I could totally. One time he

877
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: had on this red all red outfit when he was playing,

878
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 1: and when Barbara Watters was alive, she happened to have

879
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: on a red outfit and some photographer caught him and

880
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 1: they would put him side by side and said who

881
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: wore it best?

882
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 3: And I was like, Russell.

883
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 1: Ward better than Barbara Waltzers.

884
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 3: So yeah, so fun.

885
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I can see that when you look at

886
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: front eye offices across the league, because you are a fan,

887
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 1: who runs the best front office to you? Who has

888
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: the best fund office outside of you?

889
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 3: Might say?

890
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: You could say Boston. I mean, since you like them, so.

891
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 4: I think I'm probably Boston. I think, uh, it's it's

892
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 4: what now. Brad Stevens.

893
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:19,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was the coach.

894
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, And I loved him as a coach and

895
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 4: I love him and I think that's a cool, a

896
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 4: good move. I think some of the players you know

897
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 4: where they're predated his move to front office. But I

898
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 4: am I mean I mentioned this earlier, Im Sam Prestigeal.

899
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: Okay, so you like their front office?

900
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 3: I mean Rob Polenka. Though right now I'm just gonna.

901
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: Say, I was gonna say, do you how do you

902
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: like the This is just the latest move Rob has

903
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: made with the Lakers. Like there's been some moves that

904
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: we've over there since Rob has been in charge. Yeah,

905
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:49,439
Speaker 1: we've been very unhappy with Rob's moves. As a fan

906
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,479
Speaker 1: of the Lakers, We've been like, that didn't make sense.

907
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,839
Speaker 1: There were opportunities for us to get to mar De Rozan.

908
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: We didn't get to mar De Rozan. We we wanted

909
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: he was another hometown hero we would have embraced who

910
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: still had enough that he went on that year to

911
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 1: do play so well and was an All Star for

912
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: the Chicago Bulls, And that was the year we could

913
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 1: have had him. And people were very disappointed and Robed

914
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: for not making that happen.

915
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like Rob lucked into the Luca track.

916
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: I absolutely think that now and can you tell us

917
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 1: in the exclusive you bumped into him and you told

918
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: him he lucked into it. Had the conversation go.

919
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 3: So I shared this with carry.

920
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 4: I'm in so Hope just yesterday and I'm with my

921
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 4: husband and just.

922
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 3: See the back.

923
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 4: He's just very specific, his very specific look and style.

924
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 4: And so I just saw the back of his head

925
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 4: and I was like, that looks like Rob.

926
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: Oh, Rob Low, because he looks like Rob Low too,

927
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: like in a little bowl.

928
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 3: No, really, it was just you. It was like that

929
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:43,919
Speaker 3: was him.

930
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 4: And then he turned and Dave was like, how on

931
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 4: earth did you just spot him? So then I said

932
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,720
Speaker 4: congrats on Luca and he just kind of mumbled thanks,

933
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 4: and I told you this. But I'm like in his

934
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 4: head ys to be like, who is this crazy woman?

935
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 4: And also it feels good to be seen. I just

936
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 4: I am, yeah, I mean he is I.

937
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: Okay, what made you say congrats a Luca? I know

938
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: I see so many people I'd be even terrified to

939
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 1: say anything to him. What made you say congrats a Luca?

940
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: That's how big of a fan you are of the.

941
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 3: Sport I am.

942
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 4: I don't say anything to anyone. There are people in

943
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 4: Soho all the time. He's not like a celebrity.

944
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 3: At all, you know. And I feel like.

945
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,919
Speaker 4: Generally athletes like being recognized by women that they don't

946
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 4: really expect to hear from.

947
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 3: I agree, and so I agree a little. I'm a

948
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 3: little looser there.

949
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 1: Oh no, yeah, your your your emotional intelligence is very

950
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: high on that. That is true. It's it stops them

951
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,399
Speaker 1: in their tracks. They're surprised. Interesting. And so he said,

952
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: thank you, he said, he said, did he tell you

953
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:44,919
Speaker 1: anything else about any other moves?

954
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 4: Mumbled thank you? No, I'm like, what are you doing

955
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 4: in New York? And stay away from my next you know,

956
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 4: unless you're giving us Luca back back away.

957
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,240
Speaker 3: I'm pumped about the next, right, I'm.

958
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 4: Just sorry to bring it back to basketball, Okay, I

959
00:45:58,320 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 4: just want to stay there.

960
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 3: But it's been so fun living here and getting the

961
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 3: chance to next MSG.

962
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 4: The next are looking good and such a fun team,

963
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 4: and uh, they would benefit probably from a Janis if

964
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:13,879
Speaker 4: I know that that's rumored to maybe.

965
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: Be honest, came to New York, man, I mean you

966
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: should consider it, you know. Okay, tell me if you

967
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: agree with this theory. And people get upset when I

968
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: say this, but I think every superstar deserves a big market.

969
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: I think every superstar deserves a big market because they

970
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: deserve to play where they can really understand their power,

971
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 1: what it feels like, get the proper attention. I just

972
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: feel like they do I and that that's because I

973
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: grew up in a big market. So I'm really speaking

974
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: from a very narrow perspective. You grew up in a

975
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: very small town, so you would probably have a different perspective.

976
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: But business wise, tell me what you think.

977
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 4: I disagree because I think that don't sleep on the

978
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 4: small markets. And this is the same for Argent. It's

979
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 4: like we had an event last week in Saint Louis

980
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 4: and they're so overlooked that there's just this fervor that

981
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 4: comes from them that you don't get out of the

982
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:10,439
Speaker 4: big markets because they're spoiled. And so I actually think

983
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 4: it would be fun to be I mean, I really

984
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 4: name any team, but like a Barkley on the Suns

985
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 4: or like a you know, I think it's probably fun

986
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 4: to be honest on the Bucks, because I think that

987
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 4: in Okay See, I think has a similar fan base.

988
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 4: There are just some smaller towns that are known for

989
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 4: being really like super fans because I think they get

990
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 4: so little.

991
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, they get overlooked. They overlooked, as you said. Okay,

992
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: Also when you do have superstars in smaller markets, those

993
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 1: markets become the markets to visit. You find yours. I

994
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 1: would I'm like, why am I? We were in Okay,

995
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 1: see all the time? You know, or if you think

996
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: of you can't say that about Golden State. But in

997
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: the beginning, Golden State wasn't a destination, you know what

998
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,399
Speaker 1: I mean. Like people, and you know you love your

999
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: twin staff, you know what I mean.

1000
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 3: I mean Thompson, that was my guy.

1001
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 1: Oh was he really?

1002
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 3: He used to live in the Bay Area.

1003
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 4: When we would go to games when they were both rookies,

1004
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 4: and nobody wanted to go to games they were so

1005
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 4: bad and that's a really specific fan base, and so

1006
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 4: we used to get tickets all the time and go

1007
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 4: watch them play.

1008
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: Mark Jackson was the head coach. Then.

1009
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 3: Oh, Mark Jackson does not get his flowers enough.

1010
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 1: You know that, man, he does not. I remember my

1011
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: first two or three years on first take and interviewing Steph.

1012
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: Steph had these such a babyface, had on these baggy jeans,

1013
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: and it was all star in New Orleans and we

1014
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: were like well, what are you doing here? And then

1015
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 1: Mark jumped in because Mark was on the set. Markc

1016
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: Go's once again he was snubbed. I'm telling you right now,

1017
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 1: I got the best backcourt ever in the history of

1018
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: the NBA, and no one gives them the respect that

1019
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 1: they deserve, referring him and Clay Stephan Clay and at

1020
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: the time, I said, Steph, wouldn't it be great if

1021
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: you were an All Star? He said it would be.

1022
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: But I'm just going to participate in the three point

1023
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: shooting contest.

1024
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 3: That's me. That's me, I feel saen. Should we call

1025
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 3: this podcast? Steph Curry joins Argent.

1026
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: Argent and Steph Curry joined the Naked Sports I'm working

1027
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: with a name here. Something about Steph is in the

1028
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: title I gotta work Tatum in thought. You have a choice.

1029
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: You have a choice, and you're you gotta play two

1030
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:22,479
Speaker 1: on two and you only can take one other player.

1031
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: It's you and Steph for you and Tatum Tatum. Okay,

1032
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 1: So Steph is not he's your He's not so Tatums

1033
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 1: your favorite.

1034
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,240
Speaker 3: Player, Tatums, my favorite player.

1035
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 1: Steph is your personality.

1036
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,399
Speaker 3: I think so I'm not Tatum personality wise.

1037
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: Ok.

1038
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:35,399
Speaker 3: Just love him.

1039
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: Okay, so you and you and Tatum taking.

1040
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 3: Up so fun to watch. He's so good. Yeah, you

1041
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:41,720
Speaker 3: enjoy him build.

1042
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:45,240
Speaker 4: His build is great, but like his wingspane, like everything

1043
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 4: about him and just how effortless and bouncy he is.

1044
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 1: Yes, you use it. Okay, so interesting you you saying bouncy.

1045
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: I love that you use that term because that's actually

1046
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 1: a really great term to describe. I remember you mentioned

1047
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook talking to in his heyday. To me, he

1048
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 1: was the most competitive, the most athletic player, and I love, loved,

1049
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: love to watch him. Name drop coming, please ignore this

1050
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 1: name drop. And when I was at All Star in Toronto,

1051
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 1: I was very fortunate to talk to Michael Jordan and

1052
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: I said, who's your favorite player in the league right now?

1053
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:16,959
Speaker 1: With not even blink, and he said, I'd pay money

1054
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: out of my pocket because normally people give me free tickets,

1055
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: but I'd pay money out of my pocket to watch

1056
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,439
Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook day in and day out. Top hands down

1057
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 1: my favorite player.

1058
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 3: Okay, that's amazing.

1059
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 4: And also I love to hear that for Russell Westbrook

1060
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,439
Speaker 4: because I feel like he just does not get enough

1061
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:34,399
Speaker 4: of another one.

1062
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 1: He's another one we can go down the list of

1063
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: people who don't. And so what I gather is you

1064
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 1: love those players who are great, but you also really

1065
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 1: have a special affinity for those who you think have

1066
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: not been able to shine or get enough shine.

1067
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 3: Probably that is you.

1068
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 4: Oh you know what, that's Rightums Curry was that for

1069
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 4: a bit, But Tatum has that too, where I can't

1070
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 4: tell you, I've been in countless rooms. First of all,

1071
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 4: being a female sports fan, you experienced gender bias, like

1072
00:50:59,320 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 4: right off the.

1073
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 3: Bat, Oh that's cute, you know.

1074
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,879
Speaker 4: But I'll be talking to our guy friends and they've

1075
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 4: been so dismissive of Tatum because they couldn't clinch the finals,

1076
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 4: and and you know, and he's struggled to show as

1077
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 4: they all have, young as they all have, and he's young,

1078
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 4: and I just watch him sore now. And so to

1079
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 4: watch him win last year and then to just watch

1080
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,800
Speaker 4: like them their continued growth and success is so exciting

1081
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 4: to me. So yes, I like people that are like

1082
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 4: perceived underdogs a bit.

1083
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have that, okay, hmm I when we think

1084
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 1: about the finals, I do remember this moment now that

1085
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: it's coming back to me, and we had had a

1086
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: brain part Jason Kidd tried to pit Jaylen Brown and

1087
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 1: Jason Tatum against each other, as you remember remember, and

1088
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: that he was he was like, I don't know who's

1089
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: the superstar. He was saying all these things, and then

1090
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 1: they came right back in the press conference and answered,

1091
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: I'm proud of Brown. I'm proud of like he's my

1092
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,359
Speaker 1: Like they refuse to let him get in their mind.

1093
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: And I thought that was brilliant.

1094
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 3: Do you remember now? You remember now?

1095
00:51:58,680 --> 00:51:59,240
Speaker 1: I remember?

1096
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 3: It just was close at all, So I don't even

1097
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 3: think of like I felt.

1098
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: Like this it wasn't even a real competition, correct, Yeah, huh.

1099
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 1: Congratulations to you in the Boston Celtics. I I I

1100
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: am proud of you.

1101
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 4: I have a friend, Rebecca Grace. She's a celebrity stylist

1102
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:14,439
Speaker 4: lives in LA. She and I went to the game

1103
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 4: together last week. It was Pelicans Lakers, and she and

1104
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 4: I are similar. I think women are like this. I'm

1105
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 4: going to speak to how our fandom works. Yeah, I'm

1106
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 4: not really like I don't have an attachment to a

1107
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 4: team a little bit to the Warriors, but I'm a

1108
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 4: player fan and I think women do this where it's

1109
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 4: like they're just I like to pick certain players that

1110
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:33,399
Speaker 4: I just root for.

1111
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you have to do that to me. To me,

1112
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: this is why the WNBA is taking off. If you

1113
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 1: know a single player and you know their storyline, you

1114
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 1: you're invested. Now. I want to know who's playing against

1115
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 1: them and what team is that, and why does she

1116
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: not like that player? Why does he not like that player?

1117
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: And what is the history between the two and the

1118
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:53,439
Speaker 1: next thing. You know, you're a fan of the entire

1119
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,800
Speaker 1: league and or sport, depending on where you're whatever you're watching.

1120
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: That makes perfect sense to me. It's not it's not

1121
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: like you have to know the ins and outs. You

1122
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 1: there are things you probably know about certain players that

1123
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: I just don't know. I wantn't read that about them,

1124
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?

1125
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:07,760
Speaker 3: Totally?

1126
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I from a business perspective, to switch gears, I

1127
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 4: am curious to know more about future of the NBA

1128
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 4: because I've now been doing the steep dive into NFL.

1129
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:18,280
Speaker 4: I'm not as big of a fan of the NFL,

1130
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 4: but the business of the NFL is so massive and

1131
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,399
Speaker 4: they've been so strategic and so but yeah, I think

1132
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:24,720
Speaker 4: the that's interesting.

1133
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: So you look at the way they do business and

1134
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:27,320
Speaker 1: think about how you do business.

1135
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 3: I think I think it's like it all goes together.

1136
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 4: There's something with sports that's obviously very adjacent to business, culture, politics,

1137
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 4: Like there's so much overlap. I mean, that's why this

1138
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 4: podcast exists, you know, Like, yes, but I think that

1139
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 4: there's so much to be learned from one another as well.

1140
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 4: But I'm just sort of a business enthusiast, and so

1141
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 4: if you look at the history of the NFL, it

1142
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:50,399
Speaker 4: sort of defies logic that it's where it is now

1143
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 4: and that way.

1144
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 1: I feel that way about your business, it defies logic.

1145
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 1: Great carrier, not in a bad way, but it's just

1146
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: like you'd overnight overnight to me, not to you. You're like,

1147
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 1: I'm not an overnight success, honey. But when people say

1148
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 1: that about what you first st up on the scene, like,

1149
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 1: I've been at this all my life but to me

1150
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:11,439
Speaker 1: and I can't quite I don't have the words yet

1151
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 1: to describe it in a way that really can quantify

1152
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 1: what I've been able to see. But when I think

1153
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: of what you've been able to accomplish, and how you

1154
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: are married and how you have kids, and how you

1155
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 1: have relationships friendships that you nurture and that I'm like,

1156
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: when does this woman sleep?

1157
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 3: I do not.

1158
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: Okay, you don't believe in it?

1159
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 3: Huh, I've given up sleep. I'm not proud of it.

1160
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 4: No, it's really exciting. I mean it has been a

1161
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 4: ten year overnight success. Yeah, it's more energizing and exciting

1162
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 4: right now than I feel like it ever has been.

1163
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:42,839
Speaker 4: It has been for the last few years, but right

1164
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,360
Speaker 4: now in particular, just given all that's happening in the world,

1165
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 4: we stand for something so clearly, and that's for women

1166
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 4: and feel like we can show up for them in

1167
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 4: this moment when there's an assault on our rights. And

1168
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:58,720
Speaker 4: that's something that I'm finding joy and at a pretty

1169
00:54:58,719 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 4: bleak time.

1170
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: But you're saying it in a way like if someone's listening, so, well,

1171
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,839
Speaker 1: how does a clothing line do that you have created that?

1172
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: That's why I say they defies logic. How if I

1173
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 1: think of a clothing line and I think of the

1174
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:14,359
Speaker 1: ethos or or what it represents, I would say that

1175
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 1: I think that there have been some key moments over

1176
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:18,360
Speaker 1: the last couple of years that you and I have

1177
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: been able to agree on. And obviously we weren't happy

1178
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: with the outcome of the election. We really weren't. But

1179
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: when I saw you prior to the election, I saw

1180
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: you maybe it was a few maybe a few days

1181
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:30,720
Speaker 1: a week before the election at Michelle, maybe in August,

1182
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 1: Michelle Obama's when we all vote.

1183
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 3: She knew, she knew, she.

1184
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 1: Knew then too, But she did the good work right,

1185
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 1: and you and I were able to have our key

1186
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 1: keep because we're silly. We have a lot of fun

1187
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: moments together. And and I think that you, I think

1188
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 1: that you underestimate your your magnetic personality. That is, let

1189
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 1: me give you these flowers. That is understated and simple

1190
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 1: and effort, but it's magnetic. Magnetic. People are drawn to you,

1191
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,359
Speaker 1: like if we spend two minutes talking to you, we

1192
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 1: are drawn to you. Black, white, purple, green, tall and short,

1193
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 1: all of us. And it is an authenticity that that.

1194
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 1: And you keep this this pleasant demeanor. But I know

1195
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 1: that you know your staff, You're a killer. You shoot

1196
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 1: from the logo, you know what I mean. And I

1197
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: know that, and all of that is wonderful because that

1198
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 1: makes up who a lot of us are, and some

1199
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 1: of us are afraid to show all of that. And

1200
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 1: you live in this ease of that is me. But

1201
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 1: I don't I still don't know how you do it all.

1202
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 1: Like I just look at you, I go, I don't

1203
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: know how she does it.

1204
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 3: I feel the same about you.

1205
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:46,839
Speaker 4: Uh, that's actually I feel like, I mean, look at

1206
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 4: all that you do.

1207
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 3: It's I think about this too. You're one of the

1208
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:51,720
Speaker 3: people that I think about.

1209
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm more tired than you. I feel

1210
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 1: like, excuse me, I feel like you should be extremely more

1211
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: tired than me. Like I look at you and I

1212
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 1: get tired. I'm like, when do you when you take

1213
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: a break.

1214
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 4: I think I've found my purpose, Like, I really love

1215
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 4: what I'm doing. I have always I've been confident since birth,

1216
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:10,839
Speaker 4: and my parents have always said that, and so I

1217
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 4: think I've well, I've witnessed a lot of women that

1218
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 4: don't They don't speak up for themselves or you know,

1219
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 4: society even like to me as well, there were so

1220
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 4: many things that you just internalize that are said to

1221
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 4: you girls aren't good at math, like this, that and

1222
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 4: the other. As you're growing up, and so you kind

1223
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 4: of second guess some things. And now that I'm on

1224
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 4: the other side of it, I want to raise awareness

1225
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 4: as much as possible and be hopefully impact careers and

1226
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 4: women's careers and what they ask for and what they

1227
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 4: raise their hand for and ensuring that, like we we

1228
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 4: control so much of our own happiness, you know, And

1229
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 4: it's a lot about mindset and perspective, et cetera. And

1230
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 4: so if I'm going to be employed by someone, you're

1231
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 4: lucky to have me, and yeah, you know, and I'm

1232
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 4: going to show up as my full self. And if

1233
00:57:57,920 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 4: you don't like that and it doesn't work out, like

1234
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:01,919
Speaker 4: it's your loss, and that's the best outcome. But I'm

1235
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 4: not going to show up and not speak up and

1236
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 4: speak my mind. But I want everyone to have that,

1237
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 4: Like women deserve that so much. We're constantly shout on.

1238
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 4: We've all been through so much gender and equity. It

1239
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 4: happens every single day. And so I think that, like,

1240
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 4: I'm a person that's comfortable to call it like I

1241
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 4: see it, and I'll call it someone's face. And so

1242
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 4: if that helps influence a woman or a man to

1243
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 4: behave differently in the future, great, that's that's how I

1244
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 4: want to use.

1245
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 1: My Well, listen, yeah, you preach to the choir. I'm like, well,

1246
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 1: where is the plate? Can we give her some sort

1247
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 1: of tithe and offering for preaching. Okay, so Pastor Sally,

1248
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 1: before I let you go, Deaconess Sally, before I let

1249
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 1: you go, They say, women and I have several careers.

1250
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 1: There are several jobs that we have throughout our lifetime.

1251
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 1: Literally some you might be a pivot and maybe adjacent.

1252
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 1: It may be an entirely new career. And I know

1253
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 1: that you were in tech right and now you have

1254
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 1: this overnight success that happened ten years, this overnight success.

1255
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 3: Quick.

1256
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 1: Do you see a world where you would run for office?

1257
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 1: From my understanding, I know that you love policy, but

1258
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 1: do you ever see a world where all of this

1259
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 1: passion that you have to make sure that women are

1260
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 1: treated fairly and our rights and to restore our rights

1261
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 1: in so many different ways? Do you see yourself leading

1262
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 1: a different type of cause outside of argent?

1263
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 3: Very kind question.

1264
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 4: I can see myself doing a lot of things. I,

1265
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 4: as I've mentioned, hate being in the spotlight. It's actually

1266
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 4: my nightmare to think of being a politician. I do

1267
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 4: think that that is what's problematic about our current situation

1268
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 4: is that a lot of women are not raising their

1269
00:59:58,160 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 4: hand because we've made it dangerous to be a politic,

1270
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 4: especially as a woman, and we're not getting representation that's

1271
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 4: reflective of America right now, and that's really unfair and unfortunate.

1272
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 4: There's a whole litany of reasons as to why that is.

1273
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 4: I think for me, my cause is women always will

1274
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 4: be women. I think there are ways that I can

1275
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 4: influence that it won't be in political office. I don't

1276
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 4: know what's what's life after this. I'm like, this is

1277
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 4: the happiest I've ever been at that time.

1278
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just wonder if you ever because you're saying

1279
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 1: I'm always looking in your head, you are. I wonder

1280
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 1: if something will come out of nowhere and you're like,

1281
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 1: well maybe not.

1282
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 3: No, definitely not, or maybe I'll try that an introvert.

1283
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 3: Yeah it's fortune.

1284
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, no, there you go.

1285
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1286
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 1: Never I am. I'm right there with Michelle Obama. I'm

1287
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 1: all set. I'm like, I won't do it. I'll do

1288
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 1: it a quick story.

1289
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 4: But when I did see her, I was like, you know,

1290
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 4: I'm optimistic about our chances and she was silent, and

1291
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 4: it's like one of the most it's like one of

1292
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 4: the just bleakest memories that I have from the.

1293
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 3: Lead up to the election. Because I think like women

1294
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 3: especially were hopeful. Very I was hopeful. I was hopeful progress. Like,

1295
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 3: it's great that we were hopeful.

1296
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 4: We're getting one step closer to being able to imagine

1297
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 4: a woman in office. The reason that it's been such

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Speaker 4: a hurdle for America is because we can't imagine a

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Speaker 1: We've never seen it.

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Speaker 4: I think, you know, that doesn't go away just because

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Speaker 4: we elected a narcissist, sexist, all the iss most deplorable,

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Speaker 4: ignorant failure of a human. As much as they want

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Speaker 4: to keep women in a traditional role, I just think

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Speaker 4: that it's already out, you know, and that progress doesn't

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Speaker 4: go away, and we're going to continue chipping away at

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Speaker 4: like all the you know, the gender inequity that exists

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Speaker 4: in our society. So I'm actually like hopeful to find

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Speaker 4: all logic and odds right now, but I think that

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Speaker 4: the pendulum will swing in a pretty extreme way back

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Speaker 4: towards women in progress.

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Speaker 1: If Michelle had said nothing when I said, and I

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Speaker 1: would have said that to her, I would have then

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Speaker 1: had a bit of a warning and it wouldn't have

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Speaker 1: hit me so hard. But now that it's all said

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Speaker 1: and done and we're hearing the stories in the post mortem,

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Speaker 1: we're hearing that, you know, a lot of people knew

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Speaker 1: what was going to be a long shot. I wish

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Speaker 1: we would have known so that we could have tried

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Speaker 1: to correct. I wish that would have became more public

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Speaker 1: than us thinking, you know, white men for Harris, white

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Speaker 1: women for Harris, and all of these actors for Harris,

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Speaker 1: and athletes for Harris, all these groups are coming out

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Speaker 1: of the woolwork. We're like, this is our momentum, this

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Speaker 1: is our time. And I think, and look, who knows

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Speaker 1: it is what it is? We are where we are.

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Speaker 1: But I think that I think that, to be honest

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Speaker 1: with you, I think Barack and Michelle knew early.

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Speaker 3: On they did. I agree.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that, And that's and that's what started

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Speaker 1: the divide within the party.

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Speaker 4: Despite all of that, Like, it wasn't a blowout. It

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Speaker 4: was the difference of two hundred thousand votes across seven states. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: thirty plus percent didn't even show up to vote. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: And I am certainly an optimistic person, but I also

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Speaker 4: think that humans are generally good people, and so I

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Speaker 4: think it's really easy to appeal to fear.

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Speaker 1: And yes, weaponizing fear is dark. Yeah, and it's what

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Speaker 1: they've done. But people are going to react when it

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Speaker 1: affects their pocketbooks. And it's already happening and we're seeing terrible,

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Speaker 1: terrible approval ratings. So I just to me, my role

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Speaker 1: in this is to ensure that we show up for

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Speaker 1: the women that we dress and that are in our

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Speaker 1: community or whoever needs support. It's about continuing to show up,

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Speaker 1: continue to es our voices, and continue to get together

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Speaker 1: alongside the men who are allies. We're going to keep

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Speaker 1: doing it. And I'm feeling I'm feeling fiery. I think

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Speaker 1: after the election, I wasn't. I was I was tired.

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Speaker 1: I take that cape off and made it a blanket

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Speaker 1: and went to bay it and I I was dying.

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Speaker 1: But no, I'm back. Yeah, We're we're back. Sally, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for being on this podcast. Do we

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Speaker 1: did we get any Do we need to know if

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Speaker 1: anything that Argine is up to so people can support,

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Speaker 1: Do I need to we need to promote anything?

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Speaker 4: I just have to say thank you for having me.

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Speaker 4: This is my actual dreams, as you know.

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Speaker 1: Naked Sports written and executive produced by me Carry Champion,

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Speaker 1: produced by Jacques Thomas, sound designed and mastered by Dwayne Crawford.

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Speaker 1: Naked Sports is a part of the Black Effect podcast

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