WEBVTT - LISTEN | Jets Roster Breakdown (9/2) 0:00:00.880 --> 0:00:03.880 Welcome to another edition of the Official Jets podcast Busy 0:00:03.960 --> 0:00:08.000 Week here at one Jet Strive. We're recording on today's Thursday, 0:00:08.039 --> 0:00:11.080 September two. It's crazy to think that it's already September. 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:15.400 From Monday to current to right now, the Jets have 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:20.800 made fifty two roster moves, which is really standard around 0:00:20.840 --> 0:00:22.520 for this time of year. I saw you had just 0:00:22.720 --> 0:00:25.000 written that on New York Jets dot Com and I 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:28.760 was wondering, first off, is that accurate? And second off, 0:00:28.840 --> 0:00:30.960 did you count them? Well? I was thinking there were 0:00:30.960 --> 0:00:35.280 twenty seven moves made for Waves Slash Release and putting 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:38.000 Kyle Phillips on I R, so that's twenty seven. Then 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:41.360 you have the thirteen practice Squad edition. Then you had 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:45.040 the three the three players that were placed on I 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:47.440 R and the three re signings. Then you had the 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:51.760 two claimed and the two waved. So I added all 0:00:51.760 --> 0:00:55.520 that up and I got fifty two. I was quickly 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:57.280 adding that up in my head. I thought I got 0:00:57.320 --> 0:01:01.000 the fifty, but you're probably right and the two trades, 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:06.280 that's right. So Joe Douglas and the staff very busy. 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:08.280 I think it's just a busy time of year. Which 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:11.520 is it? What is interesting about this point of the 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:14.959 calendar is that typically over the years, and you know this, 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:21.679 we cover transactions, the flurry of moves right before Labor 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:25.840 Day weekend, I mean, on approaching Labor Day, that weekend, 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:29.280 approaching Labor Day. But in contrast here this year, you're 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:30.640 doing it in the middle of the week. It's kind 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:33.600 of nice, Like from a workflow perspective, it's pretty nice 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:35.679 to get it done during the week. Obviously, there's gonna 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:39.600 be transactions throughout the course of the season almost every 0:01:39.680 --> 0:01:42.639 day of the week except for Sundays or game days, really, 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:45.680 but I liked it, and there's a lot to get into. 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:49.880 I think we should just dive right in with bless Austin, 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:52.920 because I think that's probably one of you know, people say, oh, 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:56.240 like there's always surprise cuts every year, and you know, 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:58.920 maybe not internally, but if you're looking at the Jets roster, 0:01:59.160 --> 0:02:02.160 I think people would be surprised to hear that Bless 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:06.040 Austin was let go, especially because he's been a starter 0:02:06.120 --> 0:02:08.919 for this team the past two years and he was 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:12.760 the longest tenure Jet in that cornerback round, Robert Salis 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:14.919 said it, this is the toughest part of the business. 0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:19.440 You hate to say, hey, you know, we're not going 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:22.920 to be needing your services anymore. And to bless, Austin 0:02:23.680 --> 0:02:26.480 has a lot of local ties, right He grew up 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:29.959 in New York, played at Rutgers, then was a draft 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:33.120 pick here and I think a lot of fans gravitated 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:36.200 towards him, and he had an opportunity here early in 0:02:36.240 --> 0:02:42.840 training camp. But throughout the summer, sala and anybody you 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:46.360 talked to said, hey, listen, it's an open competition at 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:50.840 the cornerback position. And this just emphasized that even more 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:54.920 that move here. The Jets are undergoing a youth movement. 0:02:55.280 --> 0:03:00.480 Joe Douglas said it Wednesday here at Atlantic Health Jets 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:05.760 Training Center that he believes what of this roster, our 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:09.160 first and second year of players, and this just speaks 0:03:09.200 --> 0:03:12.040 to the Jets want to get a longer look at 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:16.560 Brandon Knuckles, who made the team out of Kentucky, a rookie, 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:21.080 Isaiah Done and undrafted free agent Oregon State who made 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:24.120 the team. Javelin Guidry, a second year player who we 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:28.080 saw most of the time worked inside, but Salom mentioned 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:32.440 him uh potentially in that race as well. And then 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:36.400 who am I forgetting, of course, another draft pick Pinnocks. 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:40.080 So listen you, I don't know the way you felt, 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:43.440 but all along I felt like there wasn't a clear 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:46.400 pecking order that all those guys were making a run there. 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:49.080 I definitely agree with that. It didn't ever feel like 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:51.840 there was two guys were like, those are the two guys, 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:54.760 and you know who's gonna make a name for themselves 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:58.480 as a reserve. And it felt like throughout camp, a 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:00.800 lot of people like at first it was Equals and Done, 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:03.440 then Done got hurt. Equals was a little banged up, 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:05.240 but he really played through, you know, he was I 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:08.040 don't think he ever really missed an extended period of time. 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:11.640 Pinnock had that bruise knee for a little bit, and Equals, 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:14.680 you felt like he definitely made plays in practice and 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:17.359 then he had to pick against the Packers in the 0:04:17.440 --> 0:04:20.000 preseason game. And remember against the Giants, he had that 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:23.400 past defense when he ran down whoever the receiver was 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:26.400 and he batted it away and Salo was praising him 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:29.440 for his intellect on that play because that wasn't supposed 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:31.599 to be his man, but he saw the play in 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:35.120 real time. You know, I thought that I thought that 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:37.800 Equals had an impressive camp and couple that with what 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:40.520 Joe Douglas said yesterday, I thought this was very interesting. 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:43.760 He said, instead of asking Blessed to take a reduced role, 0:04:44.120 --> 0:04:47.120 we're giving these guys, the young guys, an opportunity, and 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:49.960 out of respect to bless we're giving him an opportunity 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:52.560 to find a larger role with the new team. Yeah, 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:55.680 there's no period to end to bless his sentence right 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:58.600 now in his professional career, there's a comma and then 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:03.240 we'll have to see where his story goes from here. Again, 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:06.320 the jetice wanted to get longer looks at other players. 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:09.400 They're very young at the cornerback position. We're going to 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:12.920 continue to talk about that throughout the year. Interesting as 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:14.880 far as the waiver claims, I think a lot of 0:05:14.880 --> 0:05:19.159 people probably anticipate that we're gonna go veteran cornerback or yes, 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:23.120 definitely veteran cornerback. I know that Jimmy Moreland was the 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:26.640 name that was thrown out there, and the Jets didn't 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:29.800 end up claiming veteran cornerback. Instead, they claimed two players, 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:33.800 both defensive players. One guy Timmy Ward, former Kansas City 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:37.000 chief The other one Quincy Williams, who is the older 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:40.800 brother of Jets defensive tackle Quinnin Williams. Yeah, that's a 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:46.279 great story, and I think it's fascinating because he's actually 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:52.440 older than Quinnin, but a very good athlete, and Sala 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:55.640 raved about his length at that position. You know, the 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:59.520 Jets love length at the linebacker position, so it's gonna 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:02.520 be interesting to see him him come in here. And 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:05.400 Ward is a guy who, by all accounts is and 0:06:05.560 --> 0:06:09.080 athletic freak, and I think the Chiefs wanted him back 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:11.760 as far as putting him on the practice squad. But 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:15.400 when you put somebody on waivers, you expose yourself, right, 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:18.360 That's part of the gymnastics though, and I saw I 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:20.479 think it was rich a meany to you about it 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:23.400 that when the Jets let go of Ryan Griffin and 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:26.000 Dan Brown and Schrod and Easeman and they brought all 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:30.599 those guys back. Those are veterans who aren't um exposed 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:33.720 to the waiver system. So let's say, let's say there 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:36.120 was a player that you wanted to bring back to 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:39.440 your practice squad for whatever reason, and you you release 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:41.400 a player, which means you have more than you have 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:44.279 five years or more of experience in the NFL. That 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:47.240 means that that player has the right to choose with 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:50.680 whatever team he wants to sign with. Yeah, there's a 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:53.560 difference between being released and waves because most of the 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:55.839 people just put it undo the Dombrala cut. But you 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:59.719 just properly described that. You know, when you get waived, 0:07:00.800 --> 0:07:04.080 teams are taking on your contract, but when you get released, 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:07.840 you're out there. Well, I think to use a Jets example, 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:13.760 the Jets on Tuesday let go of both Josh Johnson 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:19.320 and James Morgan. Josh Johnson, having multiple seasons under his belt, 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:24.120 was straight up released and now consigned anywhere, right, and 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:26.440 he resigned with the Jets practice squad. A great point. 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:28.960 So I want to get back to the blessed here 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:32.080 in a second, but I wanted to get your thoughts 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:35.080 on the quarterback position because everybody's like, well, Jack Wilson, 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:37.640 of course, has never taken a snap in the regular 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:39.840 season in the National Football League, is being backed up 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:42.000 by Mike White, a third year player has never taken 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:45.840 a snap in the National Football League. But don't you 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:53.080 consider Josh Johnson, a veteran, arm experienced guy who's played 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:55.400 in the National Football league on a number of occasions 0:07:55.400 --> 0:07:58.760 in the regular season. Yeah, he's not on the active 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:02.560 but can call him up at any time. Right, That's 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:06.080 the unique part of the practice squad rules. It's the 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:09.360 same thing as two thousand twenty where you can elevate 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:13.000 or promote a player two players per week from the 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:16.320 practice squad to the active roster, and they automatically revert 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:20.440 right back to the practice squad following the game. So 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:24.640 the game they roster essentially is fifty five for everybody 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:28.120 if they take advantage of that rule. And I think 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:30.640 it's a benefit to teams. And there's all these little 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:35.800 intricacies with the practice squad and the rules and protecting players, 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:39.240 and players can sign to another team's fifty three man roster, 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:41.880 but they can't sign to another practice squad. We could 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:44.200 have a whole podcast on that. You mentioned the quarterbacks 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:46.840 real quick, what do you think of James Morgan going 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:49.920 to Carolina's practice squad? Well, Joe Douglas said, the head 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:54.160 conversations with Morrigan following that cut down, and it sounded 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:56.439 like the Jets were interested in bringing him back, and 0:08:57.400 --> 0:09:05.560 Carolina jumped in and is there gamesmanship involved? Yes, to 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:07.120 a certain extent. We saw that a couple of years 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:11.079 ago with David's Webb right, the Jets is very similar situation. 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:17.120 The Jets wave Davis Webb, and of course the Buffalo 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:19.880 Bills pick them up. And who is the Jets Week 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:22.760 one opponent the Bills? The one thing I think there's 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:25.000 one difference in this scenario, and I think it's kind 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:27.520 of important to point out at the point in which 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:33.200 the Jets released or wave Davis Webb, because there were 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:36.760 four preseason games they might have already started. You know, 0:09:36.880 --> 0:09:40.240 I have a deeper dive into scouting the Buffalo Bills 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:42.640 at that time and creating a game plan. I'm not 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:47.000 so sure about this time, because between final cuts and 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:50.480 Week one there's almost two weeks involved there. Well, Salo 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:52.719 talked about that the other day. They're gonna turn their 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:56.960 focus to Carolina at what Wednesday's practice. I'm getting the 0:09:57.080 --> 0:10:00.000 days they're all running together right now, but the Jet 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:05.640 to work out here Sunday, right, Sunday, Monday day off, 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:08.319 Tuesday to take care of all your transactions, and on 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:13.000 Wednesday Thursday. So you're right, their focus didn't really shift 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:16.439 to Carolina until Wednesday. But James Morgan probably knows a 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:19.480 thing or two about verbal cues and audibles. He might 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:21.160 know that. I mean, you might have to change your calls. 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:24.800 I think that's life in NFL, right, you know, I'm 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:31.120 sure if you're talking to the Jets over beer, and 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:34.200 maybe maybe people are rolling their eyes about it a 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:38.440 little bit, but hey, listen, Morrigan's taking an opportunity in Carolina. 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:42.200 You know. Yeah, anytime we release the player, anytime we 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:45.320 wave a player, anything can happen. Yeah, it's a great point. 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:49.680 So not only were there releases waiver claims. We talked 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:53.480 about those practice squad a little bit. How about trades. 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:57.560 Jets had executed two trades this week. Let's start with 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:01.959 Chris Herndon tight end is kind of a weird position 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:05.240 this week with all the roster gymnastics. You let go 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:08.000 of Ryan Griffin and Dan Brown, you bring you bring 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:11.000 them both back, but in that window where they were 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:14.480 before they were brought back, Chris Hernan officially gets straight 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:18.440 into the Minnesota Vikings for a two thousand, twenty two 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:21.320 fourth round pick, and the Jets gave up a two 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:25.000 thousand six round pick. Well, much like bless Austin, you 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:28.040 you're gonna wish Chris Herndon. Well, here, both those guys 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:32.440 are good dudes, um, young players who have had some 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:35.440 level of success in the National Football League. I think 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:39.319 with Herndon, he had like thirty nine receptions this rookie season, 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:43.200 over five hundred yards receiving. Second year was really tough 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:45.440 hit of suspension and a hamstring injury, and then he 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:49.240 comes and plays against the Giants midseason breaks Ribby's out 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:52.079 for the year, So that's basically the entire second season 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:54.360 as a wash. Then the third season he came on, 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:57.880 I thought down the stretch felt quiet early in the season. 0:11:57.920 --> 0:12:00.360 I think he finished with thirty one receptions lad year. 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:03.480 He got an end zone three times. So here you go. 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:07.600 We were wondering, being out there in the practice field 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:11.720 every session, whether it was here or in Green Bay, 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:15.600 where did Herndon fit on this team? Because it seemed 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:19.680 like Tyler Croft and Ryan Griffin when he was healthy, 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:22.800 those were your two top tight ends. And if you 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:25.640 were going to keep Dan Brown, he would stay in 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:31.080 that special team's role. The Jets like his athleticism as well. Um, 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:33.520 and then you kept Kenny a Ball on the practice squad. 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:36.000 So there's a young development player. So where did Hernon 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:39.880 fit into all of that? So Vikings rash injuries of 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:43.800 the position, you send a six to them along with Herndon, 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:45.800 and I thought you got great value there in four. 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:48.680 I agree, And you think about what kind of capital 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:53.000 Joe Douglas now has rounds one through four in two 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:55.880 thousand and twenty two just a rifle through him. Two 0:12:55.880 --> 0:12:59.400 first round picks their own in Seattle's, two second round 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:03.840 picks their own in Carolina's, one third round pick, and 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:08.760 two fourth round picks Carolina's and now Minnesota is because 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:12.440 the Jets traded away their two thousand fourth round pick 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:15.120 to the Seattle Seahawks with Jamal Adam. Yeah, so my 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:19.719 great job by Joe d again, because as we sit 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:22.160 here today, can you tell me you were a hundred 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:24.880 percent convinced that Herndon was making the roster. I'm not 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:26.960 saying he wasn't going to make the roster. I can't. 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:28.760 I can't sit here and tell you a hundred percent 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:31.720 you would have put him on completely safe. I wouldn't 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:36.560 say a hundred percent at all. It was we played 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:38.880 the numbers game too right, obviously, like Joe Douglas and 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:41.439 his staff and the coaching staff they collaborate. But when 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:44.199 we're out at practice every day and we start reading 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:46.880 the tea leaves of who who's playing well, who's been 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:49.160 kind of quiet, then you think about the tight ends room, 0:13:49.160 --> 0:13:51.080 and we didn't even talk about Trayvon Westco. I know 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:53.480 he's listed as a tight end, but it's important to 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:57.120 notice that we didn't talk about the fullback. He's the fullback. 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:01.000 I think it's important though that we distinguished because he's 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:03.880 technically a tight end, but he really is the team's fullback. 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:07.440 So I think that with Hernon and that whole room, 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:09.560 it was somebody was going to be the odd man out, 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:12.680 and for the Jets to get a fourth round pick 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:16.040 and return for Chris Hernon and make that decision probably 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:18.599 a little easier for Joe Douglas and his staff, I 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:20.600 think it was a great move. And you have now 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:23.960 more draft capital in two thousand and twenty two, so 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:26.120 I think it was a good move. The other trade 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:30.000 was involved a sixth round pick, but the Jets give 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:32.120 up a six round pick that they got last year 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:36.600 for Jordan Willis actually got traded to San Francisco forty 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:40.280 niners where Salo was, and the Jets got back Shack 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:44.080 Lawson from the Texans. Lawson former first round pick out 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:46.760 of Clemson. Joe Douglas said he brings a junkyard dog 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:52.600 mentality that defensive line. Even without Carl Lawson, the Jets 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:58.080 still have plenty of confidence in this defensive line. I 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:01.480 think he needed somebody there after loss and went down. Now, 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:05.200 Jack laws is a different player than Carl Lawson, um, 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:09.040 but Douglas and sal is the same way. They're not 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:12.240 gonna feel sorry for themselves because they've lost a potential 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:18.520 double digit sack. Guy is absolutely devastating blow, but the 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:22.520 train is still going to leave the tracks Week one 0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:26.440 in Carolina. Loss in is guy who not only can 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:30.080 help your rushing the quarterback. He's not as explosive as 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:33.600 a Carl Lawson, but he's also gonna help you as 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:38.440 far as his run defense. He's a real good run stopper. 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:41.800 And I know that isn't going to win a lot 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:44.640 of headlines out there, but unique guys like that. So 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:46.760 he's gonna give you some push in the past game. 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:48.840 He's gonna be good in the locker room. He's gonna 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:52.240 help you against the run, don't you think it. I 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:55.080 think the reaction when the Jets traded for Shack Lawson, 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:57.560 was like, this is the guy that you're getting for 0:15:57.760 --> 0:16:00.560 Carl Awson. I think it's a great point. You can't 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:03.760 just replace Carl Lawson one for one unless you were 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:07.240 like swinging for the fences. And Bart Scott was sitting 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:08.880 here once, you know, a couple of weeks ago, and 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:10.680 he was like, look, you just get a you know, 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:12.360 a tier A guy you like, you don't make a 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:16.160 move unless it's not. But I'm gonna challenge that because 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:19.320 the Jets also lost Vinnie Curry. And I think that 0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:21.840 when you look at Vinnie curry stats, which is what 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:25.360 I'm pulling up right here, past two years, he had 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:28.240 eight sacks three and two thousand twenty five and two 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:30.760 thousand nineteen, two and a half the year before that. 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:34.200 You look at Shack Lawson, he's younger than Vinny Curry. 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:37.000 He's still got years left on his contract because he 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:39.760 was traded from the Dolphins to the Texans in the 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:42.920 off season after signing with the Dolphins in two thousand 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:45.960 twenty and he had four sacks last year and six 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:48.720 and a half the year before that, and four before that. 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:51.320 So when you look at I'm just using Vinny Curry 0:16:51.320 --> 0:16:55.720 as an example their sack production in a vacuum. The 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:59.120 last three years, Shack Lawson has been a more productive 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:02.280 player in that sense. I'm not saying he's a better player. 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:05.960 I'm just saying I think the swap there was. People 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:08.920 I think are saying, Shack Lawson and Carl Lawson. You 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:11.119 know it's never gonna be one, You're right, But I 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:14.840 think the one for one is more along the lines 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:18.800 of Lawson and Curry. John Franklin Myers is really gonna 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:23.560 be in the spotlight this year where you thought that 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:26.679 he could really benefit from Carl Lawson because Loss is 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:28.720 gonna be pushing that one edge and then you have 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:31.879 those big guys in the middle and uh JF I'm 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:36.399 is gonna get those opportunities. Well jfm um, he's gonna 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:39.600 be the guy counted on big time this year. And 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:42.719 then let's not forget about Bryce Hoff. Bryce Huff had 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:45.080 a very good summer last year. He had a couple 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:47.480 of sacks, a couple of sacks again in the preseason. 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:50.960 He was buzzing the tower here throughout training camp. He 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:53.600 brings an element to explosion, so he'll be part of 0:17:53.600 --> 0:17:57.199 your sub packages. As well. But I'll tell you what. 0:17:57.400 --> 0:18:02.560 The guy that I'm really excited about on that defensive line, 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:05.320 who I don't think we talked about enough. I think 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:10.760 I know where you're gonna go with this. Yeah, selling Rankins, 0:18:10.760 --> 0:18:15.800 Man selling Rankins next to Quinnin Williams, watch Out, Watch Out. 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:18.359 I think Rankins is ready to do some damage. His 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:21.000 body type is very interesting, you know, I don't the 0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:27.639 Jets have the old school, very large run stuffer defensive 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:31.199 tackle full Aronzo Vardakasi, but then you look at Quinnin. 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:33.520 You know, it is one of my favorite quotes. I 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:36.000 know it's probably outdated at this point. Jonah Williams, the 0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:40.520 Alabama tackle, described Quentin Williams as a three hundred pound 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:43.840 bar of soap because he's so slippery as a defensive tackle. 0:18:44.400 --> 0:18:48.520 And you know it's true because you think of Quinn 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:52.360 and he's not a towering presence, but he is, well, 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:56.560 how did Robert Salad describe him? All mass? Not all gas? 0:18:56.680 --> 0:19:02.520 All mass? And you look at Sheldon Ranking and he's not. Again, 0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:07.479 you're prototypical defensive tackle in the sense of like old school, 0:19:07.760 --> 0:19:10.360 but he really seems like he packs a punch too. Yeah, 0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:13.400 And I think He's got a wide arsenal as far 0:19:13.480 --> 0:19:16.000 as his moves and the way he can use his hands. 0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:19.600 You know, I didn't play the game at the defensive 0:19:19.600 --> 0:19:23.160 tackle position in the National Football League, but Les Douzable did, 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:27.000 and I love getting his thoughts on what he sees 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:31.080 from the defensivelignement going in the trenches and the way 0:19:31.119 --> 0:19:35.000 they apply techniques and Rankin's goot, he's got a lot 0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:37.760 of clubs in the back. You know what I find 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:41.840 very impressive in terms of leg during the game. In 0:19:41.920 --> 0:19:45.240 real time, I'm on Twitter and I'm seeing, you know, 0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:48.320 people tweet about the Jets the things that he catches 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:52.080 as a former player, like it's outstanding to me, and 0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:57.280 and what he catches is usually very vital to the 0:19:57.280 --> 0:20:00.280 result of the play, where you know, somebody might say, oh, 0:20:00.320 --> 0:20:03.399 that's bad coverage and that guy was open, like how 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:05.800 do he get so open? And Leger in real time 0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:08.399 will be like, no, you know that guy got picked 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:10.160 and you know he should have done this. Whatever it's 0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:13.520 I find it very interesting by the way making his 0:20:14.359 --> 0:20:16.720 return to one jet strive or you know, I don't 0:20:16.720 --> 0:20:18.320 want to say one to drive and get it confused 0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:20.520 with the show not talking about the show. I'm talking 0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:24.560 about the building. We can't even say the address. We can't, 0:20:24.600 --> 0:20:27.040 but you know, I just wanted to make sure that 0:20:27.280 --> 0:20:29.719 there was no confusion here to go a glimpse of 0:20:29.720 --> 0:20:32.639 wat's to come. Lejay Douzable making his return here to 0:20:32.720 --> 0:20:35.080 the Jets three six while he's gonna help us out 0:20:36.280 --> 0:20:39.440 on the official Deaths podcast. Do you have a great 0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:42.040 podcast coming up? A game preview podcast that people are 0:20:42.040 --> 0:20:45.720 gonna be able to tune into and listen to weekly 0:20:45.880 --> 0:20:49.840 and or listen to weekly. But Douzable also is going 0:20:49.880 --> 0:20:52.639 to be making an appearance on our Sunday morning show 0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:56.200 on CBS, which I don't know if we've released the 0:20:56.320 --> 0:20:57.960 name publicly, so I don't know if I can do 0:20:58.000 --> 0:21:00.240 it here just yet. All right, that's fair. Just just 0:21:00.240 --> 0:21:03.080 just keep gonna be part of our content. So that's 0:21:03.280 --> 0:21:05.880 definitely a big ad. Because we already got the mad backers, 0:21:05.920 --> 0:21:09.040 so we got we got all levels of defense. Because 0:21:09.119 --> 0:21:11.399 you start with dudes and then you go back, you 0:21:11.440 --> 0:21:13.560 need a linebacker. You got Bart Scott, and then you 0:21:13.600 --> 0:21:16.440 needed a safety. We got Eric Coleman. We were covered 0:21:16.480 --> 0:21:19.000 defensively offense. I don't know if we have the same, 0:21:19.440 --> 0:21:23.520 the same levels that the defense has defense and championships. Well, 0:21:23.560 --> 0:21:25.840 we got nick man Goold and there might be another 0:21:25.960 --> 0:21:30.640 former Jets quarterback coming to Jets programming in two tho one. 0:21:30.680 --> 0:21:32.640 But I don't know if we don't have we don't 0:21:32.640 --> 0:21:36.720 have a tailback, right, No, I don't think so. We 0:21:36.800 --> 0:21:38.840 do have Lee on Washington. He's just all he's just 0:21:38.920 --> 0:21:41.080 a coach. Yeah, we could bring him upstairs, no doubt. 0:21:41.280 --> 0:21:43.320 Getting back to what you said about dudes and what 0:21:43.400 --> 0:21:47.120 he watches and things like that, is that the cornerback position. 0:21:47.359 --> 0:21:50.359 We started the show talking about the cornerback position. I 0:21:50.760 --> 0:21:54.680 think what Salo wants to see is can you win 0:21:54.720 --> 0:21:58.960 on third down? And the anticipation from everybody is a 0:21:58.960 --> 0:22:01.439 lot of cover too. We cover three back there and 0:22:01.560 --> 0:22:04.240 who is going to be the guy? Ethan in Caroline 0:22:04.560 --> 0:22:08.520 think if we predict right now that Bryce Hall is 0:22:08.520 --> 0:22:11.480 starting outside, who will be lining up across the way 0:22:11.600 --> 0:22:15.719 outside the numbers and who's the first nickel up? Because 0:22:16.720 --> 0:22:19.159 you know that was a great competition throughout the summer. 0:22:19.200 --> 0:22:22.159 But Gidri, I guess he's got a chance at the 0:22:22.160 --> 0:22:26.879 outside and inside, I would say, assuming the roster stays 0:22:26.960 --> 0:22:31.240 put as it is, and there's no addition. My guess 0:22:31.240 --> 0:22:34.920 is that Brandon eccles is opposite Bryce Hall and Javelin 0:22:34.960 --> 0:22:40.560